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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    Leon said:

    I sometimes wonder if Starmer is a brilliantly surreal comic creation

    “No 10 says some ministers started singing Happy Birthday to the PM at Cabinet this morning but he told them to stop”


    https://x.com/jasongroves1/status/1962843111995940944?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    It’s a bit like him always eating his Asda curry, sitting at home, in front of an 800 foot wide Union Jack, while worrying that the flag is “divisive”

    He probably loves people singing Happy Birthday to him but he also hates it so they only get to sing half of it

    Have we ever had such a bizarre and vacuous fool for a leader? At least Boris was funny on purpose

    Starmer is just dreary. Where's the comedy? He's just not very good at, well anything.

    @Leon on the other hand "is a brilliantly surreal comic creation".

    Hats off to his writer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    We had it twice at Heathrow - bit unnerving
    It happens more at Heathrow than pretty much anywhere else (except perhaps Funchal), as they space the landing planes closer together than at most airports.

    It works well until it doesn’t, and one approaches to find the plane in front still on the runway.

    It also means that on bad weather days half the short haul departures get cancelled.

    Famous video of Concorde going around at LHR, observed by a documentary crew filming the air traffic controllers. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qS5aY2l2790
    In our case it was due to very strong cross winds
    Those are the fun ones!

    If you’re not the pilot, they earn their money on the windy days.

    The aforementioned Funchal suffers from horrible winds in the lee of a mountain, the planes come down sideways on most days and often need a couple of goes at it thanks to low level wind shear.
    Nearer home, Leeds Bradford can have some fun cross winds, too.
    A few decades back the pilot of the turboprop I was on had four goes at getting it down in one piece.
    LBA also gets the fog really bad in winter. Not sure there’s many pilots who’ll take four goes at it these days, more usually it’s two then go somewhere else with better weather.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,507
    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,879
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    We had it twice at Heathrow - bit unnerving
    It happens more at Heathrow than pretty much anywhere else (except perhaps Funchal), as they space the landing planes closer together than at most airports.

    It works well until it doesn’t, and one approaches to find the plane in front still on the runway.

    It also means that on bad weather days half the short haul departures get cancelled.

    Famous video of Concorde going around at LHR, observed by a documentary crew filming the air traffic controllers. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qS5aY2l2790
    In our case it was due to very strong cross winds
    Those are the fun ones!

    If you’re not the pilot, they earn their money on the windy days.

    The aforementioned Funchal suffers from horrible winds in the lee of a mountain, the planes come down sideways on most days and often need a couple of goes at it thanks to low level wind shear.
    Nearer home, Leeds Bradford can have some fun cross winds, too.
    A few decades back the pilot of the turboprop I was on had four goes at getting it down in one piece.
    Birmingham is a right barsteward for crosswinds too.
    I assumed my go-around was due to turbulence. It was very bumpy. But apparently not - just been told it was “birds” - the pilot saw a dangerous flock at the wrong t moment 🤷🏼‍♂️
    My one and only go-around was the same. Short final into Aberdeen from the north and suddenly we're TOGA and climbing at pace over the airfield.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,117
    In Homps. I just booked a table for 8 people at 2 o'clock. Going to be a shock when 2 of us turn up at 8 o'clock. Must work on communication
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    We had it twice at Heathrow - bit unnerving
    It happens more at Heathrow than pretty much anywhere else (except perhaps Funchal), as they space the landing planes closer together than at most airports.

    It works well until it doesn’t, and one approaches to find the plane in front still on the runway.

    It also means that on bad weather days half the short haul departures get cancelled.

    Famous video of Concorde going around at LHR, observed by a documentary crew filming the air traffic controllers. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qS5aY2l2790
    In our case it was due to very strong cross winds
    Those are the fun ones!

    If you’re not the pilot, they earn their money on the windy days.

    The aforementioned Funchal suffers from horrible winds in the lee of a mountain, the planes come down sideways on most days and often need a couple of goes at it thanks to low level wind shear.
    Nearer home, Leeds Bradford can have some fun cross winds, too.
    A few decades back the pilot of the turboprop I was on had four goes at getting it down in one piece.
    Birmingham is a right barsteward for crosswinds too.
    I assumed my go-around was due to turbulence. It was very bumpy. But apparently not - just been told it was “birds” - the pilot saw a dangerous flock at the wrong t moment 🤷🏼‍♂️
    When the little bastards chew up both turbines your 777 becomes a glider.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790

    Leon said:

    I sometimes wonder if Starmer is a brilliantly surreal comic creation

    “No 10 says some ministers started singing Happy Birthday to the PM at Cabinet this morning but he told them to stop”


    https://x.com/jasongroves1/status/1962843111995940944?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    It’s a bit like him always eating his Asda curry, sitting at home, in front of an 800 foot wide Union Jack, while worrying that the flag is “divisive”

    He probably loves people singing Happy Birthday to him but he also hates it so they only get to sing half of it

    Have we ever had such a bizarre and vacuous fool for a leader? At least Boris was funny on purpose

    Starmer is just dreary. Where's the comedy? He's just not very good at, well anything.

    @Leon on the other hand "is a brilliantly surreal comic creation".

    Hats off to his writer.
    No, Starmer is properly funny - in a slightly cruel “look at the weirdo” way. In that sense he’s very British. A lot of our humour is sadistically watching people being cringe. See the original British version of the Office. The American version was much kinder
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,861
    edited 2:31PM

    We need to cut spending but we can't cut services - they are already on the verge of collapse in many areas.

    So what we need to do is a make a bonfire of the administration structures. We tip record amounts of cash into the NHS and simultaneously starve front line services of cash. The NHS is a bonfire and we need to think like its actually on fire.

    We can't save the whole thing. It will burn. So which are the operationally critical bits that get restarted first, with a management team directing resources?

    We need to deregulate substantially to increase efficiency, but people will have to acknowledge there are always losers and consequences to that. To that extent I suspect this will only happen until it is forced on government, but the benefits could I think be very substantial in the medium to long term.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,651

    I see below the comment re Reeves "You simply can’t have your finance minister crying in public. Markets don’t like it. They lose confidence. "

    PBers may care to remember that actually what the markets didn't like was that her being upset made it seem more likely that she was heading for the exit, and that she would be replaced by someone LESS conscious of the realities of the bond markets. Markets recovered somewhat as it became clear she was staying for the time being.

    She's not great, she's not really up to the job, but she's still better - from a fiscal continence point of view - than many of the alternatives.

    If so why are the bond markets reacting so badly ?
    Again, reacting so badly to WHAT ? What are the political headlines about ? Does Reeves look more or less secure in her post than before Starmer made his latest appointments ? Who becomes CoE if she goes ?
    The commentariat suggest Starmer's reshuffle has weakened Reeves but also they are reacting to labour refusing welfare cuts and more widely problems across markets

    I would suggest the next COE moved into Starmer's Office yesterday, one Darren Jones MP
    So we agree then, that it's not Reeves causing UK-specific government debt nervousness, it's the Labour government (and party) as a whole.

    This is why I don't get the comparisons to Truss. Reeves is sane but weak, and undermined by utopian idiots within her party. Truss was insane, a utopian idiot who ought to have been undermined a lot sooner.
    No we do not agree

    Reeves is COE and responsible for policy, and as such has to accept the consquences and her personal position

    Truss was in office for just 6 weeks, and the bond markets were less even under Truss's short period in officer than now
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/what-is-rachel-reevess-future-the-markets-could-be-her-saviour-xpkpkv8pk

    "Some analysts pointed out on Wednesday night that the jitters in the bond market were borne of concern about her departing as chancellor. That if she were to leave she could ultimately be replaced by a more left-wing alternative who could dispense with the government’s iron-clad fiscal rules entirely and go on a borrowing binge to fund public spending...

    The very bond markets that are causing so much pain for the chancellor now could ultimately end up being her saviour."
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2025/07/bond-market-rescued-rachel-reeves-from-keir-starmer

    (there are plenty more where this came from...)
    I very much doubt she will survive, not least because Starmer appointed her deputy to his office yesterday and made him her de facto successor
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517

    More Reform UK problems in local government! "Reform UK councillor under investigation over alleged electoral malpractice" https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/reform-uk-councillor-under-investigation-10465517

    Reform UK's former deputy leader of Leicestershire County Council is under police investigation over allegations he tried to influence voters. Councillor Joseph Boam is accused of giving away ice creams outside a polling station for this year's local elections.

    The 22-year-old, who left both his deputy leader and adult social care cabinet role last month, was filmed in May this year allegedly handing out ice creams during his and Reform UK's local election campaign in North West Leicestershire. The ice cream van is reportedly family-owned, with Leicestershire Police confirming it had received a third-party report about the van's proximity to the polling station.

    Whippygate.
    Whip-Ma-Whop-Ma-Gate !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791

    More Reform UK problems in local government! "Reform UK councillor under investigation over alleged electoral malpractice" https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/reform-uk-councillor-under-investigation-10465517

    Reform UK's former deputy leader of Leicestershire County Council is under police investigation over allegations he tried to influence voters. Councillor Joseph Boam is accused of giving away ice creams outside a polling station for this year's local elections.

    The 22-year-old, who left both his deputy leader and adult social care cabinet role last month, was filmed in May this year allegedly handing out ice creams during his and Reform UK's local election campaign in North West Leicestershire. The ice cream van is reportedly family-owned, with Leicestershire Police confirming it had received a third-party report about the van's proximity to the polling station.

    And yet Farage is riding high in the polls, which is simply a testament to Starmer, Reeves and labour's perceived failure in government

    Also Birmingham bin workers have voted to continue their strike to March 2026

    This is insane
    Reform and the Tories together are on a whopping 46% playing Labour on 20. That is a 26 point Tory lead!

    Anyway my last visit was to a West Walian entrepreneur. He said don't just look at Trump's America, France is also looking decidedly dodgy for us and our 30 year bond repayment value. He is very worried about France's political instability.
    I have no idea why you lump reform and conservatives, unless you are channelling your inner @HYUFD !!!
    One and the same. One and the same. Remember HY knows best!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    edited 2:34PM
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    We had it twice at Heathrow - bit unnerving
    It happens more at Heathrow than pretty much anywhere else (except perhaps Funchal), as they space the landing planes closer together than at most airports.

    It works well until it doesn’t, and one approaches to find the plane in front still on the runway.

    It also means that on bad weather days half the short haul departures get cancelled.

    Famous video of Concorde going around at LHR, observed by a documentary crew filming the air traffic controllers. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qS5aY2l2790
    In our case it was due to very strong cross winds
    Those are the fun ones!

    If you’re not the pilot, they earn their money on the windy days.

    The aforementioned Funchal suffers from horrible winds in the lee of a mountain, the planes come down sideways on most days and often need a couple of goes at it thanks to low level wind shear.
    Nearer home, Leeds Bradford can have some fun cross winds, too.
    A few decades back the pilot of the turboprop I was on had four goes at getting it down in one piece.
    Birmingham is a right barsteward for crosswinds too.
    I assumed my go-around was due to turbulence. It was very bumpy. But apparently not - just been told it was “birds” - the pilot saw a dangerous flock at the wrong t moment 🤷🏼‍♂️
    It happens. Let’s not send a flock of birds into the engines, that gets really expensive at best.

    Ask Captain Sullenburger.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    kjh said:

    In Homps. I just booked a table for 8 people at 2 o'clock. Going to be a shock when 2 of us turn up at 8 o'clock. Must work on communication

    American calender innit?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,879
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I sometimes wonder if Starmer is a brilliantly surreal comic creation

    “No 10 says some ministers started singing Happy Birthday to the PM at Cabinet this morning but he told them to stop”


    https://x.com/jasongroves1/status/1962843111995940944?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    It’s a bit like him always eating his Asda curry, sitting at home, in front of an 800 foot wide Union Jack, while worrying that the flag is “divisive”

    He probably loves people singing Happy Birthday to him but he also hates it so they only get to sing half of it

    Have we ever had such a bizarre and vacuous fool for a leader? At least Boris was funny on purpose

    Starmer is just dreary. Where's the comedy? He's just not very good at, well anything.

    @Leon on the other hand "is a brilliantly surreal comic creation".

    Hats off to his writer.
    No, Starmer is properly funny - in a slightly cruel “look at the weirdo” way. In that sense he’s very British. A lot of our humour is sadistically watching people being cringe. See the original British version of the Office. The American version was much kinder
    He is like Mr Bean but fatter
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,603
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    We had it twice at Heathrow - bit unnerving
    It happens more at Heathrow than pretty much anywhere else (except perhaps Funchal), as they space the landing planes closer together than at most airports.

    It works well until it doesn’t, and one approaches to find the plane in front still on the runway.

    It also means that on bad weather days half the short haul departures get cancelled.

    Famous video of Concorde going around at LHR, observed by a documentary crew filming the air traffic controllers. https://youtube.com/watch?v=qS5aY2l2790
    In our case it was due to very strong cross winds
    Those are the fun ones!

    If you’re not the pilot, they earn their money on the windy days.

    The aforementioned Funchal suffers from horrible winds in the lee of a mountain, the planes come down sideways on most days and often need a couple of goes at it thanks to low level wind shear.
    Nearer home, Leeds Bradford can have some fun cross winds, too.
    A few decades back the pilot of the turboprop I was on had four goes at getting it down in one piece.
    Birmingham is a right barsteward for crosswinds too.
    I assumed my go-around was due to turbulence. It was very bumpy. But apparently not - just been told it was “birds” - the pilot saw a dangerous flock at the wrong t moment 🤷🏼‍♂️
    A bird strike ended quite badly for US Airways Flight 1549
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,861
    Leon said:

    I sometimes wonder if Starmer is a brilliantly surreal comic creation

    “No 10 says some ministers started singing Happy Birthday to the PM at Cabinet this morning but he told them to stop”


    https://x.com/jasongroves1/status/1962843111995940944?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    It’s a bit like him always eating his Asda curry, sitting at home, in front of an 800 foot wide Union Jack, while worrying that the flag is “divisive”

    He probably loves people singing Happy Birthday to him but he also hates it so they only get to sing half of it

    Have we ever had such a bizarre and vacuous fool for a leader? At least Boris was funny on purpose

    Good job they didn’t try and ambush him with a cake.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,807
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    More Reform UK problems in local government! "Reform UK councillor under investigation over alleged electoral malpractice" https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/reform-uk-councillor-under-investigation-10465517

    Reform UK's former deputy leader of Leicestershire County Council is under police investigation over allegations he tried to influence voters. Councillor Joseph Boam is accused of giving away ice creams outside a polling station for this year's local elections.

    The 22-year-old, who left both his deputy leader and adult social care cabinet role last month, was filmed in May this year allegedly handing out ice creams during his and Reform UK's local election campaign in North West Leicestershire. The ice cream van is reportedly family-owned, with Leicestershire Police confirming it had received a third-party report about the van's proximity to the polling station.

    And yet Farage is riding high in the polls, which is simply a testament to Starmer, Reeves and labour's perceived failure in government

    Also Birmingham bin workers have voted to continue their strike to March 2026

    This is insane
    Why work when they are being paid something by the union.
    Where do you think the union money comes from in the first place?

    Unless you think the Tolpuddle Six should still be in the outback ...
    Oh of course 🙄
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,807

    I see below the comment re Reeves "You simply can’t have your finance minister crying in public. Markets don’t like it. They lose confidence. "

    PBers may care to remember that actually what the markets didn't like was that her being upset made it seem more likely that she was heading for the exit, and that she would be replaced by someone LESS conscious of the realities of the bond markets. Markets recovered somewhat as it became clear she was staying for the time being.

    She's not great, she's not really up to the job, but she's still better - from a fiscal continence point of view - than many of the alternatives.

    If so why are the bond markets reacting so badly ?
    Again, reacting so badly to WHAT ? What are the political headlines about ? Does Reeves look more or less secure in her post than before Starmer made his latest appointments ? Who becomes CoE if she goes ?
    The commentariat suggest Starmer's reshuffle has weakened Reeves but also they are reacting to labour refusing welfare cuts and more widely problems across markets

    I would suggest the next COE moved into Starmer's Office yesterday, one Darren Jones MP
    So we agree then, that it's not Reeves causing UK-specific government debt nervousness, it's the Labour government (and party) as a whole.

    This is why I don't get the comparisons to Truss. Reeves is sane but weak, and undermined by utopian idiots within her party. Truss was insane, a utopian idiot who ought to have been undermined a lot sooner.
    Unfortunately, the utopian idiots aren't confined to the Parliamentary Labour Party. They also infest the rest of the political system, and the wider electorate.
    And the MSM
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,651
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    I'm quite surprised by that, given the amount you travel. I've had two separate incidents in (probably, trying to do the maths...) under 100 flights. Plus one engine failure. Maybe avoid planes I'm on :open_mouth:
    A joke. obviously but...

    One of my friends and colleagues passed away over the bank holiday at a ridiculously young age (42). The colleague he shared a lab with is starting to get worried as he is the second such lab mate he has lost in the last couple of years...
    What’s going on in the lab?
    A good question... I was discussing this among colleagues yesterday. The said lab synthesizes analogues of street drugs for analytical purposes - some of them being extremely potent and thus dangerous. The colleague who works in that lab immediately wondered if there had been an accident with something from the lab. I had just assumed either bad luck (a heart defect etc) or poor lifestyle (he was someone who loved his food and drink). A third colleague wondered about suicide (which I'm pretty confident it won't be).

    We all bring our assumptions to the table...
    Vapours?
    I'm expecting it to be a heart attack in his sleep. Loved his booze and his food, and not that much exercise. Never particularly unwell, so if it was his heart you'd suspect some pre-existing issue/anomaly.
    I have no idea about this passing, but when I had my (huge) DVT nearly two years ago the ultra sound discovered I had an undiagnosed aneurysm and as a result I have annual scans to check on it and am preventing from lifting. I remain under a vascular surgeon who will operate if it grows beyond small as it is at present

    It is a very serious condition with free screening for all males over the age of 64
    In Scotland, too. Was called for it by an automatic letter. I had it a few years back. Basically like a pregnancy ultrasonic scan but very brief! At least when they don't spot one, I imagine.
    Its actually quite brief when they do spot it, but with my DVT and an aneurysm my wife looked extremely worried

    Anyway, I have lived to tell the tale and I really do not lift anything

    A couple of weeks ago on the train an elderly lady wanted to lift her cabin bag onto the luggage rack and my wife apologised that saying I couldn't help her but thankfully others did
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,861
    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    Somehow, it already feels like the one term narrative has been written for this government.

    In a similar way that after the Truss debacle the media just quietly assumed that the Tories were out at the next GE and seemed to report accordingly.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    edited 2:41PM

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    Anachronism, either of the Tricolore or the UF (in case the latter is the corner torn off SKS's latest flag).

    Seriously, though, what on earth is that account?!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    edited 2:42PM

    Sandpit said:

    I see below the comment re Reeves "You simply can’t have your finance minister crying in public. Markets don’t like it. They lose confidence. "

    PBers may care to remember that actually what the markets didn't like was that her being upset made it seem more likely that she was heading for the exit, and that she would be replaced by someone LESS conscious of the realities of the bond markets. Markets recovered somewhat as it became clear she was staying for the time being.

    She's not great, she's not really up to the job, but she's still better - from a fiscal continence point of view - than many of the alternatives.

    If so why are the bond markets reacting so badly ?
    Again, reacting so badly to WHAT ? What are the political headlines about ? Does Reeves look more or less secure in her post than before Starmer made his latest appointments ? Who becomes CoE if she goes ?
    The commentariat suggest Starmer's reshuffle has weakened Reeves but also they are reacting to labour refusing welfare cuts and more widely problems across markets

    I would suggest the next COE moved into Starmer's Office yesterday, one Darren Jones MP
    So we agree then, that it's not Reeves causing UK-specific government debt nervousness, it's the Labour government (and party) as a whole.

    This is why I don't get the comparisons to Truss. Reeves is sane but weak, and undermined by utopian idiots within her party. Truss was insane, a utopian idiot who ought to have been undermined a lot sooner.
    Right. Much easier to replace Truss as PM than to find enough Labour backbenchers who can count.
    Truss was a dead woman walking from the day the late Queen was buried.

    The forces of Sunak in the Treasury sought to undermine her no matter what she actually did, and the reaction to the ‘mini-budget’ was so ridiculously over-the-top, considering how minor were the actual changes announced and a lot of other things that were happening around the same time.
    As I recall the BoE had to step in to prevent the collapse of the British Pension industry. Truss did that, with the help of Kwarteng. No-one else.
    The bigger reason was a combination of the energy price crisis happening at the same time, and the determination of the Sunakites, both in the parliamentary party and the treasury, to get her out as soon as possible by engineering a crisis.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    An interesting video:

    Reforesting Iceland (30 minutes):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbkWBmFmdN4
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,523
    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    If the Labour party arent selling St George cross salf and pepper sets on their website by teatime its all a dirty rotten fake
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    I suspect panic stations are being activated. What a shame a left of centre government is spewing Faragista bile.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,282
    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    I was once on a BA flight to somewhere, I forget where but definitely a smaller airport somewhere in Europe, and we were on soft final, probably already over the threshold, when I was absolutely catapulted back into my seat.

    I mean, I've Go Arounds before, but this was much more brutal.

    As we reached 6,000 feet or so, the Captain announced

    "I'm sorry about that Ladies and Gentlemen, but some idiot just rolled their plane onto the runway."
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,523

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    I suspect panic stations are being activated. What a shame a left of centre government is spewing Faragista bile.
    They can lose the right and then drive away the centre and left but they'll always have primary school teachers and a plurality of scousers
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,459

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    An English knight should not be carrying the flag of the enemy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    I suspect panic stations are being activated. What a shame a left of centre government is spewing Faragista bile.
    I don’t see a way back for them

    They are trying to out-Farage Farage, and it likely can’t be done. But with the polls as they are it is the only option

    Politically Snookered
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,580
    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    Is 'Put them up anywhere' referring to flags, asylum seekers or both?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    Sean_F said:

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    An English knight should not be carrying the flag of the enemy.
    Captured?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,523
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    I suspect panic stations are being activated. What a shame a left of centre government is spewing Faragista bile.
    I don’t see a way back for them

    They are trying to out-Farage Farage, and it likely can’t be done. But with the polls as they are it is the only option

    Politically Snookered
    Fourth in Bootle by Xmas
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,735
    Something to unite PB (with apologies to kamski).

    The Germans claim they didn't lose the Norwegian frigate order to us, as they didn't participate.

    "Wie eine Sprecher von TKMS mitteilte, hat das Unternehmen jedoch nicht an einem Wettbewerb für die norwegischen Fregatten partizipiert: „TKMS hat an keiner Ausschreibung zur Beschaffung norwegischer Fregatten teilgenommen und kein Angebot abgegeben."

    Peinliches Statement

    https://x.com/Leopard24theWin/status/1962532431258341873

    What the hell were we evaluating from Germany if there was no German offer?!
    https://x.com/Soerings/status/1962551471620149444
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,603

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    If the Labour party arent selling St George cross salf and pepper sets on their website by teatime its all a dirty rotten fake
    Is this instead of or as well as the ‘Controls on Immigration’ mugs?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    An English knight should not be carrying the flag of the enemy.
    Captured?
    Sir Stuart Bell !! (Ghost of.)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,523
    edited 2:56PM
    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    If the Labour party arent selling St George cross salf and pepper sets on their website by teatime its all a dirty rotten fake
    Is this instead of or as well as the ‘Controls on Immigration’ mugs?
    They'll be issuing those to every citizen and demanding we consume our government issue Yorkshire tea from them during the Hour of hate. Keep up!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,735
    On topic, as this is a Trump thread...

    Russia considers Ukraine’s NATO membership unacceptable — Putin
    He added that Russia has never opposed Ukraine’s membership in the European Union.

    https://x.com/KyivPost/status/1962814265326219460

    Putin literally sanctioned Ukraine for daring to seek closer relations with the EU in 2013. He lies like he breathes.
    https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1962844513795219909
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,247
    "Police have launched an inquiry into possible electoral malpractice amid claims that a Reform UK councillor had handed out ice-cream to would-be voters from a van located outside a polling station in May."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/02/cooper-reeves-starmer-green-party-leader-badenoch-devolution-latest-updates
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,099
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    I see below the comment re Reeves "You simply can’t have your finance minister crying in public. Markets don’t like it. They lose confidence. "

    PBers may care to remember that actually what the markets didn't like was that her being upset made it seem more likely that she was heading for the exit, and that she would be replaced by someone LESS conscious of the realities of the bond markets. Markets recovered somewhat as it became clear she was staying for the time being.

    She's not great, she's not really up to the job, but she's still better - from a fiscal continence point of view - than many of the alternatives.

    If so why are the bond markets reacting so badly ?
    Again, reacting so badly to WHAT ? What are the political headlines about ? Does Reeves look more or less secure in her post than before Starmer made his latest appointments ? Who becomes CoE if she goes ?
    The commentariat suggest Starmer's reshuffle has weakened Reeves but also they are reacting to labour refusing welfare cuts and more widely problems across markets

    I would suggest the next COE moved into Starmer's Office yesterday, one Darren Jones MP
    So we agree then, that it's not Reeves causing UK-specific government debt nervousness, it's the Labour government (and party) as a whole.

    This is why I don't get the comparisons to Truss. Reeves is sane but weak, and undermined by utopian idiots within her party. Truss was insane, a utopian idiot who ought to have been undermined a lot sooner.
    Right. Much easier to replace Truss as PM than to find enough Labour backbenchers who can count.
    Truss was a dead woman walking from the day the late Queen was buried.

    The forces of Sunak in the Treasury sought to undermine her no matter what she actually did, and the reaction to the ‘mini-budget’ was so ridiculously over-the-top, considering how minor were the actual changes announced and a lot of other things that were happening around the same time.
    As I recall the BoE had to step in to prevent the collapse of the British Pension industry. Truss did that, with the help of Kwarteng. No-one else.
    The bigger reason was a combination of the energy price crisis happening at the same time, and the determination of the Sunakites, both in the parliamentary party and the treasury, to get her out as soon as possible by engineering a crisis.
    Seems a bit unfair to blame 'Sunakites' (que?) for a run on gilts caused by the actions of his successor.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,879
    Sean_F said:

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    An English knight should not be carrying the flag of the enemy.
    A war trophy after defeating them perhaps
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,879
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    I suspect panic stations are being activated. What a shame a left of centre government is spewing Faragista bile.
    I don’t see a way back for them

    They are trying to out-Farage Farage, and it likely can’t be done. But with the polls as they are it is the only option

    Politically Snookered
    There is a way back. Most people aren't the hard right - including the people who have given them succour over the summer.

    You can't outflank Farage as Kemi Hopeless is discovering. What you can do is outthink him.

    I want to see some umph back in our politics. So lets have Starmer coming out swinging.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    I was once on a BA flight to somewhere, I forget where but definitely a smaller airport somewhere in Europe, and we were on soft final, probably already over the threshold, when I was absolutely catapulted back into my seat.

    I mean, I've Go Arounds before, but this was much more brutal.

    As we reached 6,000 feet or so, the Captain announced

    "I'm sorry about that Ladies and Gentlemen, but some idiot just rolled their plane onto the runway."
    Apparently 1 in 250 flights experience a Go Around, so I was well overdue

    Not something I’m desperate to repeat, especially in a really small jet on a really windy day
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sean_F said:

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    An English knight should not be carrying the flag of the enemy.
    Captured?
    Sir Stuart Bell !! (Ghost of.)
    The reference escapes ...?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,361

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    If the Labour party arent selling St George cross salf and pepper sets on their website by teatime its all a dirty rotten fake
    It's been a long six weeks. On 15th July BBC reported that a girl had been sent home from school for the crime of wearing a union flag dress on 'Culture Celebration Day'. How things change. It won't be long before thay are compulsory. I am looking forward to Emily Thornberry wearing one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,649
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    If the Labour party arent selling St George cross salf and pepper sets on their website by teatime its all a dirty rotten fake
    It's been a long six weeks. On 15th July BBC reported that a girl had been sent home from school for the crime of wearing a union flag dress on 'Culture Celebration Day'. How things change. It won't be long before thay are compulsory. I am looking forward to Emily Thornberry wearing one.
    Everything not forbidden will be compulsory.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,507

    NEW THREAD

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,743
    "Tesla denied having fatal crash data until a hacker found it
    The data was key evidence in the death of a pedestrian in 2019."

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2025/08/how-a-hacker-helped-win-a-wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-tesla/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Distinct whiff of Eau de Panic, here


    “Put them up anywhere’: Cooper backs St George’s flags as No 10 says asylum seekers could be housed in industrial buildings – UK politics live”

    Guardian blog

    If the Labour party arent selling St George cross salf and pepper sets on their website by teatime its all a dirty rotten fake
    It's been a long six weeks. On 15th July BBC reported that a girl had been sent home from school for the crime of wearing a union flag dress on 'Culture Celebration Day'. How things change. It won't be long before thay are compulsory. I am looking forward to Emily Thornberry wearing one.
    How things *go back to what they were*, perhaps: I'm reminded of Twiggy and of Tories with Mr Heath, who at least offer some useful ideas:

    https://nibsblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/twiggys-outfits-7-union-jack/
    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-prime-minister-edward-heath-being-shown-new-union-jack-shirts-at-tory-20114092.html?imageid=372982FC-2BA5-4093-80A0-C2FC0FDD9ADC&pn=1&searchId=e0338443461bdc1bc15dfc97f6d937ed&searchtype=0
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,063
    Sean_F said:

    Can you guess the main reason I am fuming at this ?


    An English knight should not be carrying the flag of the enemy.
    An English knight wouldn’t be facing the French carrying the tricolour (adopted 1794) - fleur de lis and the Oriflamme maybe.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,605
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    I was once on a BA flight to somewhere, I forget where but definitely a smaller airport somewhere in Europe, and we were on soft final, probably already over the threshold, when I was absolutely catapulted back into my seat.

    I mean, I've Go Arounds before, but this was much more brutal.

    As we reached 6,000 feet or so, the Captain announced

    "I'm sorry about that Ladies and Gentlemen, but some idiot just rolled their plane onto the runway."
    Apparently 1 in 250 flights experience a Go Around, so I was well overdue

    Not something I’m desperate to repeat, especially in a really small jet on a really windy day
    I’ve had two; one at Alderney where we trying to land across some very nasty looking cliffs and once at Southend where we were supposed to be going to Le Touquet and after about 45 minutes flying in very stormy weather we looked through a gap in the clouds and saw Canvey Island.
    Once in New Zealand we were booked on a local flight, in a four seater plane, and the pilot had to fiddle about with the engine before we could take off.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,902
    Andy_JS said:

    "Police have launched an inquiry into possible electoral malpractice amid claims that a Reform UK councillor had handed out ice-cream to would-be voters from a van located outside a polling station in May."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/02/cooper-reeves-starmer-green-party-leader-badenoch-devolution-latest-updates

    Silly, he should have supplied the ice creams to people leaving the polling Station.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,891
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I sometimes wonder if Starmer is a brilliantly surreal comic creation

    “No 10 says some ministers started singing Happy Birthday to the PM at Cabinet this morning but he told them to stop”


    https://x.com/jasongroves1/status/1962843111995940944?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    It’s a bit like him always eating his Asda curry, sitting at home, in front of an 800 foot wide Union Jack, while worrying that the flag is “divisive”

    He probably loves people singing Happy Birthday to him but he also hates it so they only get to sing half of it

    Have we ever had such a bizarre and vacuous fool for a leader? At least Boris was funny on purpose

    Starmer is just dreary. Where's the comedy? He's just not very good at, well anything.

    @Leon on the other hand "is a brilliantly surreal comic creation".

    Hats off to his writer.
    No, Starmer is properly funny - in a slightly cruel “look at the weirdo” way. In that sense he’s very British. A lot of our humour is sadistically watching people being cringe. See the original British version of the Office. The American version was much kinder
    All British Prime Ministers from at least May onwards fit the template of being British sitcom characters.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Ugh. My first ever aborted landing. Frankfurt airport

    Nasty

    I was once on a BA flight to somewhere, I forget where but definitely a smaller airport somewhere in Europe, and we were on soft final, probably already over the threshold, when I was absolutely catapulted back into my seat.

    I mean, I've Go Arounds before, but this was much more brutal.

    As we reached 6,000 feet or so, the Captain announced

    "I'm sorry about that Ladies and Gentlemen, but some idiot just rolled their plane onto the runway."
    If that’s what actually happened, there will be report you can read somewhere!
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,841
    Taz said:

    Foss said:
    To quote

    It’s getting both silly and sinister. There’s a chilling effect on public discourse when there is only one permitted view on a topic as seems to be the case
    This is obviously completely untrue, given widespread celebration of Terf talking points both here and elsewhere. If you could be locked up for pushing a Terfy POV then half the commentariat on this site would be behind bars already.

    The problem for Linehan is that trans people are a protected class under equality laws & advocating violence against them is a criminal offence: Whether Linehan is guilty of that is for a court to decide of course. Arresting him at the airport seems like an overreaction, but from the perspective of the police it probably seemed like the simplest, quickest option - they knew he was going to be there & they had officers on the ground already.

    If you think trans people shouldn’t be a protected class, then you can make that case but right now that’s the way it is.
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