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  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,825
    This 100% isn't how the internet is going to be soon :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmlbAbWQCVY

    (somewhat provocative AI video by some AI people - apols to Leon as I'm sure he would have posted it if he could. Possibly along with 300 other AI posts.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789

    Dopermean said:

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    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I think it's more complicated than that, and isn't solely about police numbers.

    Since 2010, the number of police stations in England and Wales has fallen by two thirds. In London, it's been three quarters.

    So, take the example of shop lifting. In the old days, if the miscreants were apprehended, then the police would have a 10 minute trek to the nearest nick. Now it might be more like 45 minutes. So if they arrest someone they're going to be out of commission not for an hour and a half, but maybe two to three hours.

    And the underfunding of the court system means that - in the event said miscreant is prosecuted - then the police officer is out of action for a whole day, and the trial might end up getting deferred anyway, because they were unable to find a barrister willing to act for said miscreant.

    It's hard to think of an area of government spending with a better cost-benefit analysis than the criminal justice system: police, courts, prisons and the like. We all benefit from a law abiding society, and the best way to ensure that we live in a law abiding society is for there to be a meaningful prospect of apprehension and punishment if you offend. We don't have that today.

    We don't just need more police, though. Because there's no point in arresting someone if they won't be prosecuted. We need to fund the entire chain. And that means we need to fund Legal Aid too, because right now a staggering number of cases end up being dismissed or deferred because of lack of legal representation.
    But again the point I'm making is that we've added 8m people to the population in 20 years and on average they've not expanded GDP by enough to cover the additional public service expenditure they require. It's meant larger deficits, less money to go around and increasing tax as a proportion of GDP reducing long term trend growth. Uncontrolled immigration has been an unmitigated disaster for the UK economy. Realistically a migrant care worker or cleaner is never going to contribute enough in tax over their lifetime to cover their healthcare or pension let alone education, policing, defence, transport infrastructure etc...

    Expanding the population at such a rapid rate with such low skilled workers for the last 20 years is why we are where we are. Every low skill migrant reduces our GDP per capita and their dependents reduce it further and the taxpayer is on the hook to provide them with housing, healthcare, welfare, pensions, education and the rest of it. It's just not feasible and we need to go through a long period of net emigration of low skill and unskilled migrants plus their dependents if we ever hope to have a high yield economy that can fund proper public services and infrastructure while maintaining a relatively balanced budget. We've had a 20 year failed experiment of increasing absolute GDP at the expense of GDP per capita, well maybe the focus should always have been on per capita GDP rather than the headline figure which is absolutely useless.
    These are -candidly- separate issues.

    Even if there hadn't been any immigration in the last 15 years, the cuts to our criminal justice system would still have had a very serious impact on the lives of citizens.

    That's my point. And it's not just - or even mainly - about police numbers. It's about the fact that the legal system is so underfunded we don't prosecute people. It's about the fact that there's not a local police station that people can go to.

    Now, has immigration made things worse: probably. It's just not the sole factor here, and may even not be the dominant one. (I.e. if you think about police stations per person in London, then the biggest factor is the drop in the number of police stations, not the increase in the number of people. And the same is true with the dramatic reduction in the number of duty solicitors.)
    They aren't separate issues, immigration of the nature we've had for 20 years has directly resulted in lower GDP per capita than we would otherwise have had. That has led to a series of cuts in public services such as policing and justice because there's not enough GDP being generated per capita.

    Those cuts to police stations and duty solicitors are because of budget cuts and those budget cuts are a direct result of there just not being enough GDP being generated to tax at a reasonable rate.

    The population rose by 8m people since 2005, a 13% increase.

    Nominal GDP has increased from £1.49tn to £3.08tn, an increase of 106%.

    Nominal GDP per capita has increased from £29,314 to £47,322 an increase of 61%.

    Simply, there was more funding per person available for public services on 2005 than we have today because uncontrolled immigration has reduced GDP per capita to such an extent that if it had kept up the government at 35% tax would have an extra £300bn to spend this year than it does currently.

    Obviously this is a simplified view, I'm sure if I still had a team to look into it and adjust for inflation and wages the story would be pretty similar.

    Falling GDP per capita due to uncontrolled immigration is the root cause of failing public services. On average each migrant worker and their dependents lowers our GDP per capita and now the effect has reached levels where the state can no longer be properly funded without stiflingly high tax rates.

    As I said, we need a prolonged period of net emigration for low skilled and unskilled workers and their dependents. They will never contribute enough to the economy or in tax to cover the spending they will require currently and in the future.
    Dude:

    I am sympathetic to your concerns. Indeed, I probably largely agree with you about what needs to be done.

    But that isn't why we had cuts to the criminal justice system. The coalition government - which happened *before* the vast bulk of the immigration happened - enacted a massive reduction in spend as part of austerity.

    It had literally nothing to do with immigration.
    If you were to make the comparison from 2005 to 2015 I doubt the conclusion would change much, alas I have no time to do it, dinner beckons.
    The UK government's Comprehensive Spending Review was announced in October 2010, and involved a 20% real-terms cut in central government funding for police forces over four years, from March 2011 to March 2015. The Ministry of Justice saw an even bigger drop in its budget - falling from £8.3bn to £7bn in the same time.

    These weren't cuts relative to population size, or growing the police budget less quickly than the overall : they were large absolute reductions in spend.

    And these cuts happened before the wave of immigration.

    Your concerns about immigration are not unwarranted, and I don't disagree with much of your critique.

    But the massive reductions in spending on criminal justice happened before most of the immigration happened, and they happened at the behest of the coalition government.
    Waves of immigration had already begun years earlier, from around 2003/04 onwards they had spiked massively.

    But also the country was bust due to overspending by 2010. Cutting expenditure was necessary.

    The wrong things were cut though.

    Criminal justice wasn't the right thing to cut. And gold playing welfare while working people's pay was frozen was wrong too.
    Since 2004, the UK population has experienced net immigration of approximately 5.5m, of which 4m was since 2010. I'm not denying immigration has played a role, I'm just pointing out (which I think you agree with) that the biggest factor in the underfunding of the criminal justice system was the 2010 cuts.

    As you say, the wrong things were cut.
    The biggest mistake was cutting health spending, medical treatment doesn't get cheaper if it's delayed unless the patient dies before they get treated.
    Most of which is salaries. They should have just frozen pay or cut it.
    NHS pay was frozen or had real terms cuts throughout austerity.

    Which is why those chickens are coming home to roost now.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,815
    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,779
    carnforth said:

    Broken Britain update: have just moved some youths on from the garden to my flats - they were sitting on the bins vaping. Amusingly one of them unironically called me "Sir" whilst leaving. School reflex, presumably.

    1 hour amnesty and your cheapest bottle of red for the "Sir".
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Trumps Tariffs reinstated by the appeal court.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1928167506478322081?s=61

    Which Appeal Court was this?

    The original ruling was from a panel of 3 judges from the total 9 Judges on the Court of International Trade.

    Was it an actual Appeal Court, or an En Banc hearing (= all the Judges).
    Checking, the Court is in Manhattan, and the Appeal is to the Federal Circuit then SCOTUS. I'm not sure which way that Circuit generally swings ie Constitutional or Trumpist.

    But this could still be at various stages.

    Need more information.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,815

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Tories should have told the pensioners to fuck off and funded law and order and defence properly instead of stuffing their mouths with gold.

    I doubt many would have gone for Ed Miliband instead.

    I was having lunch with somebody adjacent to British politics, their view, Tories should support Kim Leadbeter's bill today so we can have mandatory euthanasia for poor pensioners.
    Kim Leadbeter's bill is only for the terminally ill and any decent Tories should even have reservations about that
    Have you ever watched a terminally ill loved one struggle through those last months? If you haven't it might be an eye opener.
    And once the door is open what next, the mentally ill, the disabled? Canada is already further along that slippery slope
    The irony is that the government is perfectly happy for treatment to be withheld from patients when NICE deems their lives not worth the cost of saving them.
    Though such patients are still normally terminally ill anyway
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Trumps Tariffs reinstated by the appeal court.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1928167506478322081?s=61

    Which Appeal Court was this?

    The original ruling was from a panel of 3 judges from the total 9 Judges on the Court of International Trade.

    Was it an actual Appeal Court, or an En Banc hearing (= all the Judges).
    Checking, the Court is in Manhattan, and the Appeal is to the Federal Circuit then SCOTUS. I'm not sure which way that Circuit generally swings ie Constitutional or Trumpist.

    But this could still be at various stages.

    Need more information.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,825
    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,478
    algarkirk said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    That's a beautiful example of something there ought to be a word for, that fabulous bureaucratic missing of the point by reference to some jobsworth charter.

    'We regret the fact that the girl was murdered by a psychopath, but she was standing too close to the edge of the platform, ignoring the yellow line and the printed warnings'.
    In their desperation to get back at that slimeball Jenrick* for calling attention to an issue, the usual suspects are playing right into his hands.

    * I think he’s a slimeball. But on this, he’s calling out an issue and he’s stood his ground in doing so. Stunt, yes, but smart politics.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928
    maxh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Here's a question for you all.

    If we took every human on the planet, and put them into a blender to create a goo with the same density as a human (i.e. 985kg/m3).

    And if this good was made into a sphere, how big would the sphere be?

    Radius 2.2km?

    Edit: I calculated rather than guessing
    Actually, I think it's smaller than that, if my maths are correct.

    (8 billion people) * (62 kg/person) / (985 kg / m3) = 504 million cubic meters of human goo.

    The volume of a sphere with diameter d is (pi/6) d3. So we get d3 = (504 million cubic meters)/(pi/6). Take the cube root of each side and you get d = 987 meters.
    This is an excellent level 3 core maths estimation question. I'll use it next week in class. Thanks.
    Ofsted inquiry incoming!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,437
    edited May 29

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Obvs Rentoul has a point. But Starmer has weaknesses too. Like how have Labour got into the state where the very poor - those earning £13000 pa - are entering the income tax bracket and they are not even starting to address it. That's at about half the ft minimum wage. It's absurd. Farage is right to draw attention to it, and it will be some years before it matters that he can't solve it quickly.

    And how have Labour made the error of withdrawing WFA from a group of fairly poor pensioners while wealthier pensioners get pretty generous tax treatment.

    These are basic Labour errors. What they need to comprehend is that Reform, as they have every right to, is recasting itself as Old Labour social democrats, with Old Labour views on family life, the working class, the benefits class, borders, and watching Dixon of Dock Green in black and white.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,825
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Tories should have told the pensioners to fuck off and funded law and order and defence properly instead of stuffing their mouths with gold.

    I doubt many would have gone for Ed Miliband instead.

    I was having lunch with somebody adjacent to British politics, their view, Tories should support Kim Leadbeter's bill today so we can have mandatory euthanasia for poor pensioners.
    Kim Leadbeter's bill is only for the terminally ill and any decent Tories should even have reservations about that
    Have you ever watched a terminally ill loved one struggle through those last months? If you haven't it might be an eye opener.
    And once the door is open what next, the mentally ill, the disabled? Canada is already further along that slippery slope
    The irony is that the government is perfectly happy for treatment to be withheld from patients when NICE deems their lives not worth the cost of saving them.
    Though such patients are still normally terminally ill anyway
    I hate to tell you this. Truly. But we are all terminally ill.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,827

    It simply wouldn't ever occur to me to dodge a train fare, and nor could I live with myself if I did. I've maybe forgotten to tap in or out properly a few times whilst drunk, but I'm usually the one who pays for that.

    I've headed back to restaurants and pubs before when I've realised I've forgotten to pay the bill. I don't like thinking I'm a cheat.

    It's about honour.

    Ditto.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,437
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Trumps Tariffs reinstated by the appeal court.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1928167506478322081?s=61

    Which Appeal Court was this?

    The original ruling was from a panel of 3 judges from the total 9 Judges on the Court of International Trade.

    Was it an actual Appeal Court, or an En Banc hearing (= all the Judges).
    Checking, the Court is in Manhattan, and the Appeal is to the Federal Circuit then SCOTUS. I'm not sure which way that Circuit generally swings ie Constitutional or Trumpist.

    But this could still be at various stages.

    Need more information.
    Judgment here:
    https://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-orders/25-1812.ORDER.5-29-2025_2522636.pdf
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,451
    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
    So much has been attributed to Musk. That’s not the same as him having done anything.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    algarkirk said:

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Obvs Rentoul has a point. But Starmer has weaknesses too. Like how have Labour got into the state where the very poor - those earning £13000 pa - are entering the income tax bracket and they are not even starting to address it. That's at about half the ft minimum wage. It's absurd. Farage is right to draw attention to it, and it will be some years before it matters that he can't solve it quickly.

    And how have Labour made the error of withdrawing WFA from a group of fairly poor pensioners while wealthier pensioners get pretty generous tax treatment.

    These are basic Labour errors. What they need to comprehend is that Reform, as they have every right to, is recasting itself as Old Labour social democrats, with Old Labour views on family life, the working class, the benefits class, borders, and watching Dixon of Dock Green in black and white.
    Driving around in their Vauxhall Viva whilst dreaming of a Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    edited May 29
    This may interest some.

    Cycling Mikey examining the elements of Phone Driving, and relevant evidential points, using a case he reported. Also why he does not stop on amber in traffic, and noting that the Met do not give feedback.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SRaJeOR5ok

    (Alternatively some may develop a high blood pressure.)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,827
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    It simply wouldn't ever occur to me to dodge a train fare, and nor could I live with myself if I did. I've maybe forgotten to tap in or out properly a few times whilst drunk, but I'm usually the one who pays for that.

    I've headed back to restaurants and pubs before when I've realised I've forgotten to pay the bill. I don't like thinking I'm a cheat.

    It's about honour.

    Agree.

    However the most generally honest of people tend to have one or two blind spots. I am told (how could I possibly know) that two common ones are parking for a short time at a car park without paying, and the habit among bookish people of not returning books you have borrowed.
    Actually, you know the parking one. I am guilty of that occasionally. Usually because after ten minutes, I am still unable to use the monumentally awful app that the council has got for collecting parking fees. And I give up in frustration.
    When an organisation makes it impossible to be honest (eg, having a payment system that is unusable), I feel no remorse about dodging payment.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    algarkirk said:

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Obvs Rentoul has a point. But Starmer has weaknesses too. Like how have Labour got into the state where the very poor - those earning £13000 pa - are entering the income tax bracket and they are not even starting to address it. That's at about half the ft minimum wage. It's absurd. Farage is right to draw attention to it, and it will be some years before it matters that he can't solve it quickly.

    And how have Labour made the error of withdrawing WFA from a group of fairly poor pensioners while wealthier pensioners get pretty generous tax treatment.

    These are basic Labour errors. What they need to comprehend is that Reform, as they have every right to, is recasting itself as Old Labour social democrats, with Old Labour views on family life, the working class, the benefits uniclass, borders, and watching Dixon of Dock Green in black and white.
    Labour's communications have been dire in Government. I am conflicted as to whether this is Labour finally waking up or whether they are feeding oxygen to the Farage fire.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,825
    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
    Or possibly the lack of a pardon. Easy come, easy go.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912
    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    Talking of dodging train fares, last week I innocently strolled through Windsor & Eton station on to the little train to Slough without buying a ticket or zapping my card… told the guard at Slough and he just let me through

    If memory serves correctly, there was no gateline at either Windsor & Eton Central or Windsor & Eton Riverside
    Yes. I had breakfast at Bills, and it cost £18! I wandered onto the train, and because there was no ticket barrier I didn’t tap in/buy a ticket, but hit let off. I then walked to & from the hospital instead of getting an Uber, saved £18 in doing so , making me feel better about the expensive breakfast
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    As pointed out earlier, Channel 5 is halfway through its second series of Fare Dodgers: At War with the Law so it is kind of odd no politician raised it before. Next episode Monday and you can downstream the lot from:-
    https://www.channel5.com/show/fare-dodgers-at-war-with-the-law
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    As pointed out earlier, Channel 5 is halfway through its second series of Fare Dodgers: At War with the Law so it is kind of odd no politician raised it before. Next episode Monday and you can downstream the lot from:-
    https://www.channel5.com/show/fare-dodgers-at-war-with-the-law
    Probably because nobody watches CH5....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    It does seem a weak spot for Farage, especially as he tweeted support for Truss & Kwarteng’s budget. Rentoul was bound to say what he did today, as he wrote an article urging Sir Keir to use this attack on Tuesday
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,478

    algarkirk said:

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Obvs Rentoul has a point. But Starmer has weaknesses too. Like how have Labour got into the state where the very poor - those earning £13000 pa - are entering the income tax bracket and they are not even starting to address it. That's at about half the ft minimum wage. It's absurd. Farage is right to draw attention to it, and it will be some years before it matters that he can't solve it quickly.

    And how have Labour made the error of withdrawing WFA from a group of fairly poor pensioners while wealthier pensioners get pretty generous tax treatment.

    These are basic Labour errors. What they need to comprehend is that Reform, as they have every right to, is recasting itself as Old Labour social democrats, with Old Labour views on family life, the working class, the benefits uniclass, borders, and watching Dixon of Dock Green in black and white.
    Labour's communications have been dire in Government. I am conflicted as to whether this is Labour finally waking up or whether they are feeding oxygen to the Farage fire.
    They’ve started to try and draw battle lines and define their opponents, which is at least something. But they still don’t know what they are, or who they’re for and that is the second piece of the puzzle they really need.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    ECB...whatever software they use for highlights / whoever they have checking....is as big a moron as TFL PR....they managed to cut off the last wicket of the match from their YouTube highlights.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912
    algarkirk said:

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Obvs Rentoul has a point. But Starmer has weaknesses too. Like how have Labour got into the state where the very poor - those earning £13000 pa - are entering the income tax bracket and they are not even starting to address it. That's at about half the ft minimum wage. It's absurd. Farage is right to draw attention to it, and it will be some years before it matters that he can't solve it quickly.

    And how have Labour made the error of withdrawing WFA from a group of fairly poor pensioners while wealthier pensioners get pretty generous tax treatment.

    These are basic Labour errors. What they need to comprehend is that Reform, as they have every right to, is recasting itself as Old Labour social democrats, with Old Labour views on family life, the working class, the benefits class, borders, and watching Dixon of Dock Green in black and white.
    I wrote on here about ten years ago, someone will be able to find it, that post referendum the existing parties will shape shift into

    Cameroons & New Labour
    Old Labour, UKIP & posh Tories
    Corbynites, Greens & Lib Dems

    I think

    Not bad if I’m remembering rightly
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994

    algarkirk said:

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Obvs Rentoul has a point. But Starmer has weaknesses too. Like how have Labour got into the state where the very poor - those earning £13000 pa - are entering the income tax bracket and they are not even starting to address it. That's at about half the ft minimum wage. It's absurd. Farage is right to draw attention to it, and it will be some years before it matters that he can't solve it quickly.

    And how have Labour made the error of withdrawing WFA from a group of fairly poor pensioners while wealthier pensioners get pretty generous tax treatment.

    These are basic Labour errors. What they need to comprehend is that Reform, as they have every right to, is recasting itself as Old Labour social democrats, with Old Labour views on family life, the working class, the benefits uniclass, borders, and watching Dixon of Dock Green in black and white.
    Labour's communications have been dire in Government. I am conflicted as to whether this is Labour finally waking up or whether they are feeding oxygen to the Farage fire.
    They’ve started to try and draw battle lines and define their opponents, which is at least something. But they still don’t know what they are, or who they’re for and that is the second piece of the puzzle they really need.
    This is perhaps why Burnham or Rayner would be a better bet than Starmer. Darren Jones has been quite surefooted today, he's more up my strasse than Rayner or the King of the North. Streeting seems very vin ordinaire to my untrained eye.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928
    MattW said:

    This may interest some.

    Cycling Mikey examining the elements of Phone Driving, and relevant evidential points, using a case he reported. Also why he does not stop on amber in traffic, and noting that the Met do not give feedback.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SRaJeOR5ok

    (Alternatively some may develop a high blood pressure.)

    Cycling Mikey explains why rules are for thee, not for me.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
    So much has been attributed to Musk. That’s not the same as him having done anything.
    He's bang to rights as the Head of Doge, declared by Trump and himself on videotape. There are Court Rulings that that is the case.

    They have been in routine violation of a multitude of US laws since day one.

    And that's before we even get to the corruption.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485
    edited May 29
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Trumps Tariffs reinstated by the appeal court.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1928167506478322081?s=61

    Which Appeal Court was this?

    The original ruling was from a panel of 3 judges from the total 9 Judges on the Court of International Trade.

    Was it an actual Appeal Court, or an En Banc hearing (= all the Judges).
    The judgement seems off to me - because of the timings. Either the President has the power to impose tariffs or he doesn't. If he doesn't, why did anyone think he did? If he does, you can't just recind that right because he's doing it 'a bit too much'. It makes no sense.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,021
    Bird flu vaccine: The Health and Human Services Department canceled a nearly $600 million contract with Moderna to fund development of a bird flu shot for humans. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has repeatedly questioned the safety of the mRNA technology Moderna planned to use

    NY Times
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    As pointed out earlier, Channel 5 is halfway through its second series of Fare Dodgers: At War with the Law so it is kind of odd no politician raised it before. Next episode Monday and you can downstream the lot from:-
    https://www.channel5.com/show/fare-dodgers-at-war-with-the-law
    Probably because nobody watches CH5....
    No-one except Jenrick's SpAds perhaps. In fact, Channel 5 has a surprisingly responsive documentaries team.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    isam said:

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    It does seem a weak spot for Farage, especially as he tweeted support for Truss & Kwarteng’s budget. Rentoul was bound to say what he did today, as he wrote an article urging Sir Keir to use this attack on Tuesday
    I think we have known the weak spot for a long time.

    I see Starmer's main challenge as driving the existence, cost and threat of that weak spot into the public mind, and especially the mushroom elements of Farage's support base - who are quite heavily siloed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    edited May 29

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    So long as mainstream media keep fawning over Farage, Labour and the Tories are on a hiding to nothing. Evan Davis was giving a robust defence of Farage and Reform this evening, suggesting Labour were stealing Farage's working man's clothes. I don't believe for one moment Davis is a Farage fanboi, but he and others seem desperate to drive the narrative to achieve a huge news story for the future.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 849
    RobD said:

    CatMan said:

    With all the talk of fare dodging, this is an interesting statistic.

    "Transport for London (TfL) said fare evasion had actually fallen slightly, down 0.3% from 2023-24 to 3.5%. And officials claimed it was lower than many cities around the world, citing the 13% rate in New York City. They said they hoped to cut fare evasion in the capital to 1.5% by 2030."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/29/robert-jenrick-turns-vigilante-in-bid-to-tackle-londons-fare-dodgers

    Would be interesting to know how it is measured. I might have to dig up that Economist chart regarding shoplifting.
    It's reported by the gateline person every day. Relative is on a gateline but they are more concerned about the presence of young people (13-15) carrying knives which they will show each other.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,296
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485
    edited May 29

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Is it Farage's weak point? Does this attack on the 'Trussnomics' of Farage not actually now prevent Starmer from reversing the WFA cut and the 2 child cap? Has he therefore not really just walked into a massive bear trap rather than set one?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    :lol:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    edited May 29

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,298

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Is it Farage's weak point? Does this attack on the 'Trussnomics' of Farage not actually now prevent Starmer from reversing the WFA cut and the 2 child cap? Has he therefore not really just walked into a massive bear trap rather than set one?
    Yes, it's hilariously stupid

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,969
    ohnotnow said:

    It simply wouldn't ever occur to me to dodge a train fare, and nor could I live with myself if I did. I've maybe forgotten to tap in or out properly a few times whilst drunk, but I'm usually the one who pays for that.

    I've headed back to restaurants and pubs before when I've realised I've forgotten to pay the bill. I don't like thinking I'm a cheat.

    It's about honour.

    The one time I've dodged a train fair was when I was a teenager and had just been sacked from my first (very scummy) job. The company made me get the train in to work to tell me I'd been sacked. I didn't have the money to renew it.

    The ticket inspector who pulled me up on it had the very great decency to look at me as I was near in tears while explaining, and gave me a punch on the shoulder before he wandered off having 'not noticed'.

    Back in the day, having a valid piece was somewhat optional among the rail enthusiast community.

    However, BR did make bucket loads of cash from bashers from the times they did purchase frog.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Is it Farage's weak point? Does this attack on the 'Trussnomics' of Farage not actually now prevent Starmer from reversing the WFA cut and the 2 child cap? Has he therefore not really just walked into a massive bear trap rather than set one?
    Shooting the economic programme down in flames worked for the Tories in 2019.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    .

    It simply wouldn't ever occur to me to dodge a train fare, and nor could I live with myself if I did. I've maybe forgotten to tap in or out properly a few times whilst drunk, but I'm usually the one who pays for that.

    I've headed back to restaurants and pubs before when I've realised I've forgotten to pay the bill. I don't like thinking I'm a cheat.

    It's about honour.

    I would agree with this. I'm the same, on that too.
    As with the majority of folk.
    Otherwise we'd have no society at all.

    There will always be freeloaders alongside the diligent. Nothing government can do will ever change that; all it can do is shift incentives and behaviour a little.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Is it Farage's weak point? Does this attack on the 'Trussnomics' of Farage not actually now prevent Starmer from reversing the WFA cut and the 2 child cap? Has he therefore not really just walked into a massive bear trap rather than set one?
    It wont bother Starmer, no economic policy survives the week anymore.
    He will be annoucing the u turns first by June
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,298
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
    So much has been attributed to Musk. That’s not the same as him having done anything.
    He's bang to rights as the Head of Doge, declared by Trump and himself on videotape. There are Court Rulings that that is the case.

    They have been in routine violation of a multitude of US laws since day one.

    And that's before we even get to the corruption.
    Biden pardoned Antony Fauci for ("allegedly") killing 20 million people worldwide by quasi-legally and immorally funding the Gain of Function Research at the Wuhan Labs, which led to Covid-19

    Compared to that, what has Musk done? Or, indeed, Trump?
  • viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Here's a question for you all.

    If we took every human on the planet, and put them into a blender to create a goo with the same density as a human (i.e. 985kg/m3).

    And if this good was made into a sphere, how big would the sphere be?

    AI says that the average volume of an adult human body is approximately 62 liters (62,000 cubic centimeters)
    AI says that the current estimate for the global human population is around 8.2 billion.

    so that's 62x10^3 x 8.2 ^10^9 cubic centimetres
    = 62x8.2 x 10^12 cubic centimeters
    = approx 500 x 10^12 cubic centimetres
    = approx 5 x 10^14 cubic centimeters

    Using this link gives us a diameter of 985 metres
    This is pretty much the answer I got, based on an estimated average mass of 60kg and 8bn population.

    Average mass probably lower if you adjust for children, elderly.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,296
    edited May 29

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth. It’s like playing a wild card in a game where points now count double - any back handlers he has taken in past, or extravagant expenses claimed now cost more.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,021

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Trumps Tariffs reinstated by the appeal court.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1928167506478322081?s=61

    Which Appeal Court was this?

    The original ruling was from a panel of 3 judges from the total 9 Judges on the Court of International Trade.

    Was it an actual Appeal Court, or an En Banc hearing (= all the Judges).
    The judgement seems off to me - because of the timings. Either the President has the power to impose tariffs or he doesn't. If he doesn't, why did anyone think he did? If he does, you can't just recind that right because he's doing it 'a bit too much'. It makes no sense.
    It's the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

    They have simply paused things where they are while they wade through the paperwork.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
    So much has been attributed to Musk. That’s not the same as him having done anything.
    He's bang to rights as the Head of Doge, declared by Trump and himself on videotape. There are Court Rulings that that is the case.

    They have been in routine violation of a multitude of US laws since day one.

    And that's before we even get to the corruption.
    Biden pardoned Antony Fauci for ("allegedly") killing 20 million people worldwide by quasi-legally and immorally funding the Gain of Function Research at the Wuhan Labs, which led to Covid-19

    Compared to that, what has Musk done? Or, indeed, Trump?
    Give your head a wobble.

    Fauci had absolutely nothing to do with wet markets.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    Is it Farage's weak point? Does this attack on the 'Trussnomics' of Farage not actually now prevent Starmer from reversing the WFA cut and the 2 child cap? Has he therefore not really just walked into a massive bear trap rather than set one?
    It wont bother Starmer, no economic policy survives the week anymore.
    He will be annoucing the u turns first by June
    I think he has little idea what comes out of his own mouth any more.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,971

    Bird flu vaccine: The Health and Human Services Department canceled a nearly $600 million contract with Moderna to fund development of a bird flu shot for humans. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has repeatedly questioned the safety of the mRNA technology Moderna planned to use

    NY Times

    Bloody CORVID
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,298

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    'As my scheduled time as a Special Government Employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President
    @realDonaldTrump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending.

    The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.'
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1927877957852266518

    Or... a whole new government department has been set up, will require new managers, directors, cabinet-level oversight, change management teams, some consultants, reporting, appearances before Congress, maybe a little controversy to get back in the news, a dramatic cut to their own budget, then a massive increase when they're back in favour again, then a big new office in ....

    So it goes.
    Watch out for the incoming Presidential Pardon. Musk has done so much unlawful and unconstitutional that someone will be coming for him.
    So much has been attributed to Musk. That’s not the same as him having done anything.
    He's bang to rights as the Head of Doge, declared by Trump and himself on videotape. There are Court Rulings that that is the case.

    They have been in routine violation of a multitude of US laws since day one.

    And that's before we even get to the corruption.
    Biden pardoned Antony Fauci for ("allegedly") killing 20 million people worldwide by quasi-legally and immorally funding the Gain of Function Research at the Wuhan Labs, which led to Covid-19

    Compared to that, what has Musk done? Or, indeed, Trump?
    Give your head a wobble.

    Fauci had absolutely nothing to do with wet markets.
    Ahahahah

    Nice one
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,021

    Robert Reich
    @RBReich

    If Trump ends the contempt power of judges with his “big, beautiful bill,” no one will be able to stop him.

    A future Congress would need the power of the courts to enforce their investigations, subpoenas, and laws.

    It would be the end of American democracy.

    https://x.com/RBReich/status/1928179717015822493



    Article 70302 of the OBB Bill seems to end enforcement of contempt by courts.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-richard-desmond-housing-tory-donor-westferry-a9631876.html
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,796

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    So long as mainstream media keep fawning over Farage, Labour and the Tories are on a hiding to nothing. Evan Davis was giving a robust defence of Farage and Reform this evening, suggesting Labour were stealing Farage's working man's clothes. I don't believe for one moment Davis is a Farage fanboi, but he and others seem desperate to drive the narrative to achieve a huge news story for the future.
    Thing is, what is that story? If they keep fluffing Farage for four years, that's going to be really boring. Much more fun to build him up and then knock him down.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,298
    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,314

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth. It’s like playing a wild card in a game where points now count double - any back handlers he has taken in past, or extravagant expenses claimed now cost more.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Desmond
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please

    Do you love him?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,707

    ...However, BR did make bucket loads of cash from bashers from the times they did purchase frog...

    I don't understand this sentence

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994

    Interesting.

    Keir Starmer has found Nigel Farage’s weak spot – and it is Trussonomics. Me for @Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1928111735874929119

    So long as mainstream media keep fawning over Farage, Labour and the Tories are on a hiding to nothing. Evan Davis was giving a robust defence of Farage and Reform this evening, suggesting Labour were stealing Farage's working man's clothes. I don't believe for one moment Davis is a Farage fanboi, but he and others seem desperate to drive the narrative to achieve a huge news story for the future.
    Thing is, what is that story? If they keep fluffing Farage for four years, that's going to be really boring. Much more fun to build him up and then knock him down.
    I don't mind that. In fact I quite like that idea.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,314
    viewcode said:

    ...However, BR did make bucket loads of cash from bashers from the times they did purchase frog...

    I don't understand this sentence

    From PBGPT:

    Basher:

    "Sunil Prasannan is a classic example of a route-basher, having traversed virtually the entire National Rail network of Great Britain since 2011."
  • eekeek Posts: 30,092

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth. It’s like playing a wild card in a game where points now count double - any back handlers he has taken in past, or extravagant expenses claimed now cost more.
    Dirty Richard Desmond made money selling top shelf magazines before it went online.

    Then bought the Express

    And then moved into Property Development where his mate a Mr R Jenrick pushed through a planning application shortly before the council could add £25m to Mr Desmond's costs...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please

    Yeah but where? To my untutored eye, if I'd not known how weak is Kemi's position, I'd have said that Jenrick's video was pitching for Mayor of London rather than LotO.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,296

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    :lol:
    After today I genuinely believe we can declare we have had peak Reform.

    From zero immigration to better spending giveaways than all other parties promising - all paid for by cutting spending that’s not needed, like asylum hotels, it’s an unserious General Election manifesto with Black Hole running into hundreds of billions of pounds.

    Even before then, both Conservatives and Labour are certain to be rising in the polls again towards the end of this parliament, as both those parties will have better economic credibility than Reform.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please

    All he needs now is for TLF to fine him for unauthorised filming.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth. It’s like playing a wild card in a game where points now count double - any back handlers he has taken in past, or extravagant expenses claimed now cost more.
    Dirty Richard Desmond made money selling top shelf magazines before it went online.

    Then bought the Express

    And then moved into Property Development where his mate a Mr R Jenrick pushed through a planning application shortly before the council could add £25m to Mr Desmond's costs...
    And then Dirty Dick bunged the Tories £10?K...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912
    edited May 29
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please

    It was a brilliant piece of work really, even better if TFL have kicked off. I think people want to see direct action rather than legalese handcuffs resulting in stalemate “I’d like to stop the absurd X, but Y is preventing me’. I can’t imagine Sir Keir doing anything remotely like it,
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,814

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please

    All he needs now is for TLF to fine him for unauthorised filming.
    For LOLs, looks like they didn’t read their own rules.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819


    Robert Reich
    @RBReich

    If Trump ends the contempt power of judges with his “big, beautiful bill,” no one will be able to stop him.

    A future Congress would need the power of the courts to enforce their investigations, subpoenas, and laws.

    It would be the end of American democracy.

    https://x.com/RBReich/status/1928179717015822493

    Article 70302 of the OBB Bill seems to end enforcement of contempt by courts.

    Well, it's clearly unconstitutional, probably won't get past the Senate anyway, and has been roundly condemned by at least one if the Republican congressmen who voted for it.

    But yes, it could still become "law", given the invertebrates in the GOP.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    :lol:
    After today I genuinely believe we can declare we have had peak Reform.

    From zero immigration to better spending giveaways than all other parties promising - all paid for by cutting spending that’s not needed, like asylum hotels, it’s an unserious General Election manifesto with Black Hole running into hundreds of billions of pounds.

    Even before then, both Conservatives and Labour are certain to be rising in the polls again towards the end of this parliament, as both those parties will have better economic credibility than Reform.
    I'm yet to be convinced. Farageonomics is not dissimilar to Trumponomics. The conned by the conmen voters still believe the Emperor is fully clothed beyond the smoke and mirrors.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,969
    viewcode said:

    ...However, BR did make bucket loads of cash from bashers from the times they did purchase frog...

    I don't understand this sentence

    Sorry, Cash is something that used to be used to purchase things, before people started using a telephone or a timepiece for this purpose.


    Basher = haulage enthusiast; "red pen merchants" being a subset of bashers.

    Frog = ticket

    Piece = ticket

    Piece of frog = ticket

  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480

    MattW said:

    This may interest some.

    Cycling Mikey examining the elements of Phone Driving, and relevant evidential points, using a case he reported. Also why he does not stop on amber in traffic, and noting that the Met do not give feedback.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SRaJeOR5ok

    (Alternatively some may develop a high blood pressure.)

    Cycling Mikey explains why rules are for thee, not for me.
    As I hear it, he explains why everything he does is in accordance with the rules of the road.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480


    Robert Reich
    @RBReich

    If Trump ends the contempt power of judges with his “big, beautiful bill,” no one will be able to stop him.

    A future Congress would need the power of the courts to enforce their investigations, subpoenas, and laws.

    It would be the end of American democracy.

    https://x.com/RBReich/status/1928179717015822493

    Article 70302 of the OBB Bill seems to end enforcement of contempt by courts.

    So that got through the House:

    SEC. 70302. RESTRICTION ON ENFORCEMENT. No court of the United States may enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), whether issued prior to, on, or subsequent to the date of enactment of this section.
    https://rules.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/rules.house.gov/files/documents/rcp_119-3_final.pdf

    There's a potential loophole, in that a Court could order a security of one dollar, since the amount in the Civil Procedure Rule is at the Court's discretion *, but that is certainly what Trump is trying.

    I'm not sure whether a Court can rule a law to be unconstitutional. I don't see SCOTUS liking this, since they are very attached to the status of SCOTUS.

    * (c) Security. The court may issue a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order only if the movant gives security in an amount that the court considers proper to pay the costs and damages sustained by any party found to have been wrongfully enjoined or restrained. The United States, its officers, and its agencies are not required to give security.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_65

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION on 7.1m viewers, probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will

    More, please

    Do you love him?
    Leon has regular political crushes on the latest populist.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912
    edited May 29

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth. It’s like playing a wild card in a game where points now count double - any back handlers he has taken in past, or extravagant expenses claimed now cost more.
    Dirty Richard Desmond made money selling top shelf magazines before it went online.

    Then bought the Express

    And then moved into Property Development where his mate a Mr R Jenrick pushed through a planning application shortly before the council could add £25m to Mr Desmond's costs...
    And then Dirty Dick bunged the Tories £10?K...
    I spoke to Peter Hitchens on the phone once, probably in 2014, hoping he would endorse UKIP. He said I was unlucky that I’d called him the week after they’d accepted money from Richard Desmond, as he wouldn’t have anything to do with him. Hitchens had quit the Express when Desmond bought it
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,969

    viewcode said:

    ...However, BR did make bucket loads of cash from bashers from the times they did purchase frog...

    I don't understand this sentence

    From PBGPT:

    Basher:

    "Sunil Prasannan is a classic example of a route-basher, having traversed virtually the entire National Rail network of Great Britain since 2011."
    A "yellow pen merchant". So called, as a yellow highlighter pen is the standard implement for marking off the lines one has covered in a rail atlas.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912

    viewcode said:

    ...However, BR did make bucket loads of cash from bashers from the times they did purchase frog...

    I don't understand this sentence

    Sorry, Cash is something that used to be used to purchase things, before people started using a telephone or a timepiece for this purpose.


    Basher = haulage enthusiast; "red pen merchants" being a subset of bashers.

    Frog = ticket

    Piece = ticket

    Piece of frog = ticket

    Peace Frog - blood on the floor up to your ankles
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,779
    edited May 29
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    This may interest some.

    Cycling Mikey examining the elements of Phone Driving, and relevant evidential points, using a case he reported. Also why he does not stop on amber in traffic, and noting that the Met do not give feedback.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SRaJeOR5ok

    (Alternatively some may develop a high blood pressure.)

    Cycling Mikey explains why rules are for thee, not for me.
    As I hear it, he explains why everything he does is in accordance with the rules of the road.
    Jenrick did remind me a bit of Cycling Mikey. He's got to be careful - there's a very fine line between RoboBob and a grass.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,021
    MattW said:


    Robert Reich
    @RBReich

    If Trump ends the contempt power of judges with his “big, beautiful bill,” no one will be able to stop him.

    A future Congress would need the power of the courts to enforce their investigations, subpoenas, and laws.

    It would be the end of American democracy.

    https://x.com/RBReich/status/1928179717015822493

    Article 70302 of the OBB Bill seems to end enforcement of contempt by courts.

    So that got through the House:

    SEC. 70302. RESTRICTION ON ENFORCEMENT. No court of the United States may enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), whether issued prior to, on, or subsequent to the date of enactment of this section.
    https://rules.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/rules.house.gov/files/documents/rcp_119-3_final.pdf

    There's a potential loophole, in that a Court could order a security of one dollar, since the amount in the Civil Procedure Rule is at the Court's discretion *, but that is certainly what Trump is trying.

    I'm not sure whether a Court can rule a law to be unconstitutional. I don't see SCOTUS liking this, since they are very attached to the status of SCOTUS.

    * (c) Security. The court may issue a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order only if the movant gives security in an amount that the court considers proper to pay the costs and damages sustained by any party found to have been wrongfully enjoined or restrained. The United States, its officers, and its agencies are not required to give security.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_65

    Will this get through the Senate?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    This may interest some.

    Cycling Mikey examining the elements of Phone Driving, and relevant evidential points, using a case he reported. Also why he does not stop on amber in traffic, and noting that the Met do not give feedback.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SRaJeOR5ok

    (Alternatively some may develop a high blood pressure.)

    Cycling Mikey explains why rules are for thee, not for me.
    As I hear it, he explains why everything he does is in accordance with the rules of the road.
    Yes, and tbf he also explains how you have to squint at the rules around traffic lights and hatched markings.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,996
    Leon said:

    ... probably the best, most impactful rightwing video since Triumph of the Will
    ...

    I think that's what is known as a troll jumping the shark.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928

    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.

    Views from the already committed (and their bots) rather than the wider public then?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,796

    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.

    Views from the already committed (and their bots) rather than the wider public then?
    We also don't know the ratio between 7.5 million viewers watching it once and 1 superfan watching it 7.5 million times.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266

    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.

    Views from the already committed (and their bots) rather than the wider public then?
    No, its confirmation that the likes of Sky News are dead. Politicians worrying about Sky News are barking up the wrong tree. Trump showed this with his podcast blitz.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    edited May 29
    MattW said:


    I'm not sure whether a Court can rule a law to be unconstitutional. I don't see SCOTUS liking this, since they are very attached to the status of SCOTUS.

    I'm not sure - there is precedent for SCOTUS changing it's own effective jursidiction though, Marbury V. Madison expanded the power of the court in 1803 and Trump vs United States contracted it in 2025. This would be congress limiting the power of the courts though, which is slightly different.

    Congress was always intended to be the most powerful of the three branches of gov't by the founding fathers though but in practice it often acts like it is the weakest next to often muscular Supreme Courts and presidents fond of executive orders (Trump isn't the first)

    My hunch is yes, congress can nix the court.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    edited May 29

    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.

    Views from the already committed (and their bots) rather than the wider public then?
    We also don't know the ratio between 7.5 million viewers watching it once and 1 superfan watching it 7.5 million times.
    This is Robert Jenick we are talking about, not Jezza Corbyn. Bobby J has no super fans.

    More seriously, the pure number I don't place a huge amount of value in, as in if it was 5m or 10m, 100m....but it does give some indication that it has caught some wave on social media. And that Sky New getting 10k for their video, shows nobody cares about them.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,381
    Section 70 thousand. Good grief American laws are stupid
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480

    MattW said:


    Robert Reich
    @RBReich

    If Trump ends the contempt power of judges with his “big, beautiful bill,” no one will be able to stop him.

    A future Congress would need the power of the courts to enforce their investigations, subpoenas, and laws.

    It would be the end of American democracy.

    https://x.com/RBReich/status/1928179717015822493

    Article 70302 of the OBB Bill seems to end enforcement of contempt by courts.

    So that got through the House:

    SEC. 70302. RESTRICTION ON ENFORCEMENT. No court of the United States may enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c), whether issued prior to, on, or subsequent to the date of enactment of this section.
    https://rules.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/rules.house.gov/files/documents/rcp_119-3_final.pdf

    There's a potential loophole, in that a Court could order a security of one dollar, since the amount in the Civil Procedure Rule is at the Court's discretion *, but that is certainly what Trump is trying.

    I'm not sure whether a Court can rule a law to be unconstitutional. I don't see SCOTUS liking this, since they are very attached to the status of SCOTUS.

    * (c) Security. The court may issue a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order only if the movant gives security in an amount that the court considers proper to pay the costs and damages sustained by any party found to have been wrongfully enjoined or restrained. The United States, its officers, and its agencies are not required to give security.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_65

    Will this get through the Senate?
    I honestly have not got the foggiest idea. I have not seen anything on that in the corporate media, and only picked it up from one of the Trump-focused USA legal analysis channels a few weeks ago.

    I see that Robert Reich (tweet above) had a piece in the Guardian 2 days ago:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/27/a-hidden-measure-in-the-republican-budget-bill-would-crown-trump-king
  • isamisam Posts: 41,912
    To soften the edges of his praise for Sir Keir, here’s John Rentoul’s ‘View From Westminster’ email


  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,296
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    Former pornographer Dirty Richard Desmond waves knowingly at you.
    I haven’t a clue who that is, and I’m not going to Google it.

    I just think the last thing any politician should do is shout look at me, I’m a white knight, I’m so good butter won’t melt in my mouth. It’s like playing a wild card in a game where points now count double - any back handlers he has taken in past, or extravagant expenses claimed now cost more.
    Dirty Richard Desmond made money selling top shelf magazines before it went online.

    Then bought the Express

    And then moved into Property Development where his mate a Mr R Jenrick pushed through a planning application shortly before the council could add £25m to Mr Desmond's costs...
    That does sound a bit dodgy, for the new White Knight of British politics. But did his mate give him any of the £25M to say thank you?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480

    Section 70 thousand. Good grief American laws are stupid

    There aren’t 70,000 sections. They are just grouped. 10000-10010, 20000-20050, etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,298

    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.

    Views from the already committed (and their bots) rather than the wider public then?
    We also don't know the ratio between 7.5 million viewers watching it once and 1 superfan watching it 7.5 million times.
    This is Robert Jenick we are talking about, not Jezza Corbyn. Bobby J has no super fans.

    More seriously, the pure number I don't place a huge amount of value in, as in if it was 5m or 10m, 100m....but it does give some indication that it has caught some wave on social media. And that Sky New getting 10k for their video, shows nobody cares about them.
    Viewership numbers for Sky News are abysmal

    It makes GBNews look wildly flourishing
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480
    isam said:

    To soften the edges of his praise for Sir Keir, here’s John Rentoul’s ‘View From Westminster’ email


    I think the only chance the Conservatives have is with a manifesto that is honest with people about the state of the nation’s finances, and promises to balance the books.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    Leon said:

    What is interesting is BJs video has 7.5m views, the rebroadcast from the likes of Sky news, absolutely f##k all.

    Views from the already committed (and their bots) rather than the wider public then?
    We also don't know the ratio between 7.5 million viewers watching it once and 1 superfan watching it 7.5 million times.
    This is Robert Jenick we are talking about, not Jezza Corbyn. Bobby J has no super fans.

    More seriously, the pure number I don't place a huge amount of value in, as in if it was 5m or 10m, 100m....but it does give some indication that it has caught some wave on social media. And that Sky New getting 10k for their video, shows nobody cares about them.
    Viewership numbers for Sky News are abysmal

    It makes GBNews look wildly flourishing
    Who could have predicted that sacking off all those who had half a clue about things would result in this. Sky Sports News is having the same issue.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,296

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TfL take action on Jenrick video... The spoof statement from Sadiq Khan about distressing footage of a man harassing the fare-evading community wasn't far off:

    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1928140744507715932

    Transport for London have said Tory MP Robert Jenrick didn’t have permission to film a video where he was calling out people for alleged fare evasion.

    I think we have to chalk this up as a grudging win for Jenrick. Hopefully a unique event.
    TfL doing their best to make Jenrick popular, there
    Maybe the fare dodgers will sue Jenrick for harassment? Have TfL taken any action against the fare dodgers?
    Isn’t it a huge mistake for a politician to shout “LOOK AT ME I’M MR CLEAN” just like Jenrick has done? If he has ever done anything in the past on a par or worse than fair dodging, then he’s finished isn’t he?
    :lol:
    After today I genuinely believe we can declare we have had peak Reform.

    From zero immigration to better spending giveaways than all other parties promising - all paid for by cutting spending that’s not needed, like asylum hotels, it’s an unserious General Election manifesto with Black Hole running into hundreds of billions of pounds.

    Even before then, both Conservatives and Labour are certain to be rising in the polls again towards the end of this parliament, as both those parties will have better economic credibility than Reform.
    I'm yet to be convinced. Farageonomics is not dissimilar to Trumponomics. The conned by the conmen voters still believe the Emperor is fully clothed beyond the smoke and mirrors.
    No one was conned by Trumpnomics, the whole world just had strange election results because of historically long and derp credit crunch. But that’s time limited, normal elections becoming distant from unprecedented credit crunch are just around the corner.
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