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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485
    ...
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
    Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

    I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

    This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
    It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
    Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

    BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
    I don't find either of them particularly reprehensible.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,289
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

    You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

    2010-2015 Government:
    Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
    Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
    Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

    Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
    Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

    Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!
    Cicero never rose to these heights.
    Its utterly hilarious. A coalition government which absolutely divided up ministries between parties with the Tories notoriously not only holding onto law and order but telling everyone they had done so to be tough.

    Every single minister. In both departments. Was a Tory. At all times. And Mr I Only Voted Plaid That One Time thinks that somehow we were responsible for what those Tory ministers were doing.

    Why are the Tories sinking into the abyss? Because the public think they are lying shysters who can't take any responsibility for their shit record in office. And here is HY to prove them right.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639
    Battlebus said:

    A business / branding question for the PB Genius Bar. I am looking for a business name for a new venture. Companies House clear, domain clear, trademarks clear. There's a business of the same name - in a similar but not directly related field - based in Southern California. They don't operate even in northern CA never mind the rest of the US or beyond, and they're a distributor rather than a brand name for products.

    Any objections to using the same name? I can see many examples of that already as finding a completely unique name anywhere in the world is quite difficult...

    There was the No Name Company but have had a change of name. Or this one, which appears to be run by someone with an issue (or two)

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10843886
    If you want to find good names then ask children.

    They'll come up with all sorts of stuff.

    You now owe me one share of 'Mary, Mary, quite contrary PLC' - the to-be-famed maker of heavy artillery.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Not seen this much empathy with, and support for a Tory on socials in a very long time.
    Interesting how it's flown today. If nothing else it shows there is an appetite out there for things to be very different to how they are and people are becoming quick to attach to it when it appears.
    For the Tories even getting a hearing is a victory these days

    It does suggest a certain fragility in the Reform vote.
    I mean, even Leon is considering a possible return to the fold.

    There's undoubtedly a very large market for the rabble-rouser.

    If this were 18 months before the next general election, one way or another, Labour would likely be toast. But it's rather too early to make that judgement now.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,497

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

    He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

    Any impact from Sir Lard's speech would be negative for Labour, so they should count themselves lucky.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I ran that through AI this morning. This is ChatGPT. Source is Statista. We are right at the bottom of the league.

    "please tell me number of policemen by largest european countries, as a % of population"

    Country Police Officers per 100,000 People Year
    Turkey 568 2021
    Italy 398 2020
    Spain 370 2020
    France 332 2020
    Germany 301 2020
    E/W 228 2021

    (Note: The EU average is approximately 335 officers per 100,000 people.)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 29

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

    He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

    Any impact from Sir Lard's speech would be negative for Labour, so they should count themselves lucky.
    Nah the Mirror have said Sir Keir humiliated Nigel. It must be true!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    Battlebus said:

    A business / branding question for the PB Genius Bar. I am looking for a business name for a new venture. Companies House clear, domain clear, trademarks clear. There's a business of the same name - in a similar but not directly related field - based in Southern California. They don't operate even in northern CA never mind the rest of the US or beyond, and they're a distributor rather than a brand name for products.

    Any objections to using the same name? I can see many examples of that already as finding a completely unique name anywhere in the world is quite difficult...

    There was the No Name Company but have had a change of name. Or this one, which appears to be run by someone with an issue (or two)

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10843886
    Youtube clear?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
    Yes, it's not particularly a gotcha to say 'he was asking for it'.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,724
    It’s not so much that those weirdos keep interfering in other countries’ politics to boost their fashy fellow travellers, it’s that they actually think their endorsements are worth a bucket of warm piss.

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1928078499849310478?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842
    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
    Well, I wouldn't do that. Asking for trouble, even if the 'trouble' is only tripping over a loose paving slab.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,080
    Nigelb said:

    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
    Yes, it's not particularly a gotcha to say 'he was asking for it'.
    It depends on what one's definition of civilised is, ofcourse. If civilisation is tolerance and open-mindedness, London is more civilised than the most picturesque village, or rolling fields.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,289
    Thanks everyone, naming issue resolved. So that's another fine mess business i am getting myself into
  • vikvik Posts: 442

    Andy_JS said:

    If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

    I don’t think Reform will win, but Lanarkshire is a haunt of staunch Orangemen, particularly Larkhall. Also the Labour candidate will has been invisible. I was tempted at TSE’s 8-1 odds, although they have since shortened even more. Maybe a 3k majority. Certainly enough to shake up Scottish politics.
    Ladbrokes also have a market on Reform getting more votes than Labour at odds of 1.91, which seem like good value.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,592
    Eabhal said:

    Scenes if Reform win the Hamilton by-election.

    It would be an improvement on the 58 votes they got the last time.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,796

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

    He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

    Any impact from Sir Lard's speech would be negative for Labour, so they should count themselves lucky.
    Nah the Mirror have said Sir Keir humiliated Nigel. It must be true!
    More significantly, the Mail are preparing to shuffle away again;

    Under-pressure Nigel Farage hit back at Sir Keir Starmer and other critics of his economic policies today as he was accused of having 'fantasy' policies.

    The Reform UK leader reheated one of his attacks from the 2016 EU referendum campaign as he accused the Prime Minister of launching 'Project Fear 2.0' by suggesting he was economically akin to Liz Truss.

    Sir Keir this morning warned voters they cannot trust Mr Farage with their 'future, mortgages or jobs' in a speech deriding his economic literacy.


    Farage needed to make the promises he did this week to secure more ex-Labour votes. But his backers on the right aren't going to like them. Farage is a very smart retail politician, but even he might not be smart enough to do that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Nigelb said:

    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
    Yes, it's not particularly a gotcha to say 'he was asking for it'.
    It depends on what one's definition of civilised is, ofcourse. If civilisation is tolerance and open-mindedness, London is more civilised than the most picturesque village, or rolling fields.
    Of course.

    But I'm reminded that, while they were (IMO) entirely correct to despise and reject MAGA policies on immigration, being seen as ignoring the problem while in office cost the Democrats a heavy price.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,451

    Nigelb said:

    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
    Yes, it's not particularly a gotcha to say 'he was asking for it'.
    It depends on what one's definition of civilised is, ofcourse. If civilisation is tolerance and open-mindedness, London is more civilised than the most picturesque village, or rolling fields.
    You're kidding yourself.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/03/18/exclusive-londoners-are-least-likely-to-accept-a-gay-or-transgender-child/

    New polling conducted by YouGov for PinkNews ahead of today’s PinkNews Debate has revealed that Londoners are the least likely in Great Britain to support a gay or transgender child.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    Hansen does seem to have a slight lack-of-self-awareness problem, combined with the Spectator habit of sounding very nearly like a 50 year old Gussy Finknottle:

    But as I strolled along the pavement, airpods in, replying to happy birthday messages on WhatsApp, the inevitable happened. Snatch. My phone was lifted straight out of my hand by a teenager on a bike. I suppose it served me right for listening to The Rest is Politics at the time.

    The police, of course, were completely uninterested when my phone was stolen. My case was closed within 48 hours, despite the theft occurring on a road plastered with CCTV cameras I immediately felt like a complete mug. Almost every friend of mine in London had warned me about the proliferation of phone theft. I’d read enough newspaper articles about it, too.


    For the number of times he calls himself a mug, I'll cut him some slack.
    Quite. But strolling along, AirPods in..... so he couldn't hear traffic ...... concentrating on his phone and not really aware of his surroundings.......
    All things you can do in civilised parts of the country.
    It's surprising quite how many people do it on level crossings, but from my very local sample of post mortems - two - there was a peak around 2012.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,724
    MattW said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I ran that through AI this morning. This is ChatGPT. Source is Statista. We are right at the bottom of the league.

    "please tell me number of policemen by largest european countries, as a % of population"

    Country Police Officers per 100,000 People Year
    Turkey 568 2021
    Italy 398 2020
    Spain 370 2020
    France 332 2020
    Germany 301 2020
    E/W 228 2021

    (Note: The EU average is approximately 335 officers per 100,000 people.)
    At the risk of inviting criticism of the rubbish SNP for being well below the EU average and simultaneously only being able to do it on the long suffering teat of the English taxpayer, it’s c.300 per 100,000 in Scotland.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,687

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
    Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

    I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

    This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
    It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
    Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

    BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
    I don't find either of them particularly reprehensible.
    Really. One was petty, nasty stuff to take away a little pleasure from children who were probably having a miserable time and for no benefit. It will have actually cost a small amount to do it. And that isn't reprehensible?

    The latter as @TheScreamingEagles and @JohnO have pointed out would have resulted in councillor doing time, but ok for a cabinet minister to do it?. But all ok for you?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    MattW said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I ran that through AI this morning. This is ChatGPT. Source is Statista. We are right at the bottom of the league.

    "please tell me number of policemen by largest european countries, as a % of population"

    Country Police Officers per 100,000 People Year
    Turkey 568 2021
    Italy 398 2020
    Spain 370 2020
    France 332 2020
    Germany 301 2020
    E/W 228 2021

    (Note: The EU average is approximately 335 officers per 100,000 people.)
    At the risk of inviting criticism of the rubbish SNP for being well below the EU average and simultaneously only being able to do it on the long suffering teat of the English taxpayer, it’s c.300 per 100,000 in Scotland.
    Scotland's economic performance set against the UK regions outside of the South East also hints at the benefits of devolved fiscal powers.
    The number of police per capita in London is, of course, significantly higher.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,844
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

    You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

    2010-2015 Government:
    Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
    Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
    Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

    Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
    Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

    Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!
    The biggest shit that the LDs should own was that their lardy twat of a leader was the post office minister when the sweeping under the carpet of people's lives was probably at its height. It hasn't been investigated enough how much culpability he and other Post Office ministers had for the debacle. Pretending they did not know is no defence. And before all his apologists start shouting their usual whataboutery, I include Badenough also.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    Jacob Bethell is the real deal....
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,844

    Not seen this much empathy with, and support for a Tory on socials in a very long time.
    Interesting how it's flown today. If nothing else it shows there is an appetite out there for things to be very different to how they are and people are becoming quick to attach to it when it appears.
    For the Tories even getting a hearing is a victory these days

    I must say he has gone up in my estimation, even though it was shameless self-promotion it was pretty smart politics on a number of levels
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    Can someone tell Americans that Nippon means Japan ?

    Ingraham: On the U.S. Steel website it says it's a good thing, I’m basically paraphrasing, that we are being acquired by Nippon. Are you saying they are not being acquired by Nippon because that's what it says on the U.S. Steel website
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1927871535999766872

    The company is Japan Steel.
    You might as well say Japan Steel is acquiring the US.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,779
    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    It would be very very amusing on a purely shits and giggles basis for Starmer to wreck Farage only to drive a recovery in Jenrick Toryism to 40% in the polls.
    Purely on a shits and giggles basis
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    Only politician who's lego version is bigger
    FACT
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,563

    Andy_JS said:

    Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.

    There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
    Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
    Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
    You're joking, not another one....
    We can’t have too many, only too few.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    edited May 29
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I ran that through AI this morning. This is ChatGPT. Source is Statista. We are right at the bottom of the league.

    "please tell me number of policemen by largest european countries, as a % of population"

    Country Police Officers per 100,000 People Year
    Turkey 568 2021
    Italy 398 2020
    Spain 370 2020
    France 332 2020
    Germany 301 2020
    E/W 228 2021

    (Note: The EU average is approximately 335 officers per 100,000 people.)
    At the risk of inviting criticism of the rubbish SNP for being well below the EU average and simultaneously only being able to do it on the long suffering teat of the English taxpayer, it’s c.300 per 100,000 in Scotland.
    Scotland's economic performance set against the UK regions outside of the South East also hints at the benefits of devolved fiscal powers.
    The number of police per capita in London is, of course, significantly higher.
    Both are fair comment, also with National Squads being run out of London, and because they are not detailed stats - and the UK numbers have increased since 2021, perhaps by 10% since 2021 and 12-15% since 2020 in the Boris splurge.

    Even 250 per 100k is still low, but as experience and nouse get rebuilt, we can live in hope of increased effectiveness.

    There are also things such as productivity differences between forces due to lack of sharing of best practice. The obvious example to me is that Scotland does not have a dashcam incident reporting portal, so each report involves a visit from a police officer to take a statement. Differences in handling motorcycle ASB are another - Notts police plead that they needs more powers, yet other forces have been reasonably effective for decades.

    Equally, there are other areas which cut the other way.

    That speaks in England for a need for a stronger role for the National Police Chiefs Council, and imo for a more systematic use of PCSOs.

    There's also a question about whether systematic terrorist attacks, organised hacking, and the Russian widespread sabotage campaign mean we are in a time needing a general greater emphasis on policing.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,080
    Jenrick reminds me of a Dr Who villain. He's bright, and extremely calculating.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,724
    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,563
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

    You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

    2010-2015 Government:
    Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
    Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
    Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

    Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
    Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

    Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!
    Two parties, one cup.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

    You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

    2010-2015 Government:
    Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
    Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
    Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

    Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
    Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

    Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!
    The biggest shit that the LDs should own was that their lardy twat of a leader was the post office minister when the sweeping under the carpet of people's lives was probably at its height. It hasn't been investigated enough how much culpability he and other Post Office ministers had for the debacle. Pretending they did not know is no defence. And before all his apologists start shouting their usual whataboutery, I include Badenough also.
    I think we should wait for Sir Wyn Williams Report from the Inquiry, but I suspect that there are some senior Post Office people who swept an awful lot under the carpet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
    They both seem, on occasion, to be scofflaws ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    edited May 29

    Andy_JS said:

    Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.

    There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
    Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
    Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
    Richard Burgon enters the conversation ...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,724
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
    They both seem, on occasion, to be scofflaws ?
    Jenrick looks like he’s scoffed a whole lot of other stuff as well.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Imagine being so pathetic as to be a railway ticketing vigilante.

    There's nothing more irritating than spending £16.60 on a one day travel card in London and then seeing someone pushing through the barriers.
    Yes there is. Robert Jenrick.
    Please. Jenrick is a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
    You're joking, not another one....
    We can’t have too many, only too few.
    Richard Burgon enters the conversation ...
    I am absolutely convinced there was paperwork mix up in that case.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,585
    @stevepeers.bsky.social‬

    Tired: TACO

    Wired: TALC (Trump Always Loses in Court)

    @cnn.com‬

    BREAKING: Judge says she will issue a preliminary injunction to block Trump administration from making changes to Harvard's student visa program indefinitely

    https://bsky.app/profile/cnn.com/post/3lqd2vbx3us2i
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    Germany is going to have much more industrial investment in Ukraine than the US.
    (There's already a Rheinmetal factory for example.)

    WELT has exclusively published further details of the latest German military aid package, which was announced yesterday.

    According to WELT, the announced financing of Ukrainian-made far-reaching weapons systems is about financing long-range attack drones and FPV interceptors with a sum of around €400 million. Specifically, the following models are involved:
    — AN-196 Liutyi (< 2,000 km range)
    — Bars (< 800 km range)

    In addition, the VB140 Flamingo with a range of up to 50 km will also be financed. The special thing about it is that it is an interceptor drone! This UAV will therefore be used to for example intercept Russian reconnaissance drones without the need to use expensive missiles.

    In addition, it was also announced that Germany will finance repair facilities for the German industry in Ukraine. According to WELT, this involves a contract with KNDS, which has not yet been finalised, to carry out the repair of KNDS vehicles (Gepard SPAAGs, ATF Dingo MRAPs, PzH 2000 and more) in Ukraine.

    https://x.com/deaidua/status/1928013436237066717
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
    They both seem, on occasion, to be scofflaws ?
    Jenrick looks like he’s scoffed a whole lot of other stuff as well.
    Lockdown chubb.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 29
    Find Out Now going for most boring pollster of all time
    Completely unchanged again apart from LD -1
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION is now on 3.5m views

    He will likely eclipse any impact from Starmer's anti-Reform speech/junket

    Any impact from Sir Lard's speech would be negative for Labour, so they should count themselves lucky.
    Nah the Mirror have said Sir Keir humiliated Nigel. It must be true!
    Bless.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,714
    Nigelb said:

    Can someone tell Americans that Nippon means Japan ?

    Ingraham: On the U.S. Steel website it says it's a good thing, I’m basically paraphrasing, that we are being acquired by Nippon. Are you saying they are not being acquired by Nippon because that's what it says on the U.S. Steel website
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1927871535999766872

    The company is Japan Steel.
    You might as well say Japan Steel is acquiring the US.

    The name of the company in English is Nippon Steel, not Japan Steel.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    edited May 29
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
    They both seem, on occasion, to be scofflaws ?
    Jenrick looks like he’s scoffed a whole lot of other stuff as well.
    Lockdown chubb.
    To be fair to the (*^%( )(*&%& %$£^&$ ~@:{%, he did just do the London Marathon, in 4:48.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,844

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

    You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

    2010-2015 Government:
    Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
    Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
    Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

    Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
    Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

    Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!
    The biggest shit that the LDs should own was that their lardy twat of a leader was the post office minister when the sweeping under the carpet of people's lives was probably at its height. It hasn't been investigated enough how much culpability he and other Post Office ministers had for the debacle. Pretending they did not know is no defence. And before all his apologists start shouting their usual whataboutery, I include Badenough also.
    I think we should wait for Sir Wyn Williams Report from the Inquiry, but I suspect that there are some senior Post Office people who swept an awful lot under the carpet.
    If the politicians didn't know they should have done.

    Why didn't Davy (who would like us to think he is an upstanding intelligent man) say:

    "why is it that such a large percentage of sub-post-masters are crooked? How does that percentage compare to the general population? As it doesn't, what might the other cause be and are we looking at a massive miscarriage of justice?"

    He didn't and he (and the others who held the ministerial position) must have known and did nothing! Nice one Sir Ed! Hope you sleep well at night.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,853
    On phone thefts, there's part of me that thinks if the current spate leads to a decrease in the huge number of idiots walking around glued to their phones and not looking where they are going it would be no bad thing.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,091
    edited May 29
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I think it's more complicated than that, and isn't solely about police numbers.

    Since 2010, the number of police stations in England and Wales has fallen by two thirds. In London, it's been three quarters.

    So, take the example of shop lifting. In the old days, if the miscreants were apprehended, then the police would have a 10 minute trek to the nearest nick. Now it might be more like 45 minutes. So if they arrest someone they're going to be out of commission not for an hour and a half, but maybe two to three hours.

    And the underfunding of the court system means that - in the event said miscreant is prosecuted - then the police officer is out of action for a whole day, and the trial might end up getting deferred anyway, because they were unable to find a barrister willing to act for said miscreant.

    It's hard to think of an area of government spending with a better cost-benefit analysis than the criminal justice system: police, courts, prisons and the like. We all benefit from a law abiding society, and the best way to ensure that we live in a law abiding society is for there to be a meaningful prospect of apprehension and punishment if you offend. We don't have that today.

    We don't just need more police, though. Because there's no point in arresting someone if they won't be prosecuted. We need to fund the entire chain. And that means we need to fund Legal Aid too, because right now a staggering number of cases end up being dismissed or deferred because of lack of legal representation.
    But again the point I'm making is that we've added 8m people to the population in 20 years and on average they've not expanded GDP by enough to cover the additional public service expenditure they require. It's meant larger deficits, less money to go around and increasing tax as a proportion of GDP reducing long term trend growth. Uncontrolled immigration has been an unmitigated disaster for the UK economy. Realistically a migrant care worker or cleaner is never going to contribute enough in tax over their lifetime to cover their healthcare or pension let alone education, policing, defence, transport infrastructure etc...

    Expanding the population at such a rapid rate with such low skilled workers for the last 20 years is why we are where we are. Every low skill migrant reduces our GDP per capita and their dependents reduce it further and the taxpayer is on the hook to provide them with housing, healthcare, welfare, pensions, education and the rest of it. It's just not feasible and we need to go through a long period of net emigration of low skill and unskilled migrants plus their dependents if we ever hope to have a high yield economy that can fund proper public services and infrastructure while maintaining a relatively balanced budget. We've had a 20 year failed experiment of increasing absolute GDP at the expense of GDP per capita, well maybe the focus should always have been on per capita GDP rather than the headline figure which is absolutely useless.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480
    edited May 29
    Liverpool Press Conference happening:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO6mf9jN7z4

    The press conference has now started.

    Merseyside Police name 53-year-old man Paul Doyle as the suspect in the Liverpool crash.

    He is from the West Derby area of the city, Chief Crown Prosecutor for CPS Mersey-Cheshire Sarah Hammond says.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd62x7zq03et
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,485

    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
    Dura Ace used to be a right porker?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500
    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,928
    ‘No doubt’ Robert Jenrick wants to take top Tory job
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqAwv21MlKE

    Times Radio How to Win an Election series (40 minutes).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480

    ‘No doubt’ Robert Jenrick wants to take top Tory job
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqAwv21MlKE

    Times Radio How to Win an Election series (40 minutes).

    Did they use his participation in the last leadership election as evidence for this?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,853

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    Are you new here?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774

    ‘No doubt’ Robert Jenrick wants to take top Tory job
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqAwv21MlKE

    Times Radio How to Win an Election series (40 minutes).

    Did they figure that out all by themselves?!?!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    Charges laid are 7 offences: Dangerous Driving, and others around causing, and intent to cause, GBH - the GBH charges are quite intricate and wordy in title.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,930

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    It became Labour.

    Same results.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    That was a direct result of the decisions of the Tory and LD government of 2010-15 as I said, for which Osborne was most responsible and which Boris and Rishi at least partly reversed in the Conservative majority government of 2019-2024. It was also the same Tory and LD government which said police do not need to prosecute thefts under £200 which to be fair to him Starmer has now reversed.

    You keep trying to smear my party with your mistakes.

    2010-2015 Government:
    Home secretary: Theresa May (Tory)
    Minister of State for Policing: Nick Herbert (Tory) then Damian Green (Tory) then Mike Penning (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Crime Reduction: James Brokenshire (Tory)
    Secretary of State for Justice: Ken Clarke (Tory) then Chris Grayling (Tory)
    Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Prisons: Crispin Blunt (Tory) then Jeremy Wright (Tory) then Andrew Selous (Tory)

    Tory Tory Tory Tory. Own your own shit.
    Deputy PM Nick Clegg (LD), Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander (LD) both of whom would have signed off Osborne's decisions in Cabinet and cuts the Home Office were told by the Treasury to implement given the Tories could only govern with LD support.

    Tory LD, Tory LD, Tory LD. Own your own shit too!
    The biggest shit that the LDs should own was that their lardy twat of a leader was the post office minister when the sweeping under the carpet of people's lives was probably at its height. It hasn't been investigated enough how much culpability he and other Post Office ministers had for the debacle. Pretending they did not know is no defence. And before all his apologists start shouting their usual whataboutery, I include Badenough also.
    I think we should wait for Sir Wyn Williams Report from the Inquiry, but I suspect that there are some senior Post Office people who swept an awful lot under the carpet.
    If the politicians didn't know they should have done.

    Why didn't Davy (who would like us to think he is an upstanding intelligent man) say:

    "why is it that such a large percentage of sub-post-masters are crooked? How does that percentage compare to the general population? As it doesn't, what might the other cause be and are we looking at a massive miscarriage of justice?"

    He didn't and he (and the others who held the ministerial position) must have known and did nothing! Nice one Sir Ed! Hope you sleep well at night.
    I have to say I sympathise with that question, and hope that, if I'd been a position to ask it, I would have. However I suggest the answer would have been that the Post Office didn't expect that either and are concerned that their recruitment policies are in need of revision.
    That they didn't appear to alter their recruitment policies and procedures makes one wonder what else they could have overlooked. It also suggests that the people high in the Post Office were complacent.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    Are you new here?
    With 65,000 plus posts no
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    If you want some quality speculation check out Andrew Bridgen ex MP on the details behind the Ukrainian male models and the fire attacks.
    Gold. Pure gold.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,853

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    Are you new here?
    With 65,000 plus posts no
    I know. It was a joke, Big G, focused on the fact that speculation on anything and everything is the lifeblood of PB.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    If you want some quality speculation check out Andrew Bridgen ex MP on the details behind the Ukrainian male models and the fire attacks.
    Gold. Pure gold.
    Who ????
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,300

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

    More chance of me becoming Pope
    Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
    And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
    Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.
    Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?
    Little bit of cheating would be ok OKC
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    If you want some quality speculation check out Andrew Bridgen ex MP on the details behind the Ukrainian male models and the fire attacks.
    Gold. Pure gold.
    Who ????
    He was the Tory who went to Fox's Reclaim and is into all sorts of theories
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,930

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Quite surprised that Jenrick is shorter than Sunak. I would have guessed he was 6ft+

    Dura_Ace adjust your position accordingly.

    That is a surprise.
    He has at least one thing in common with DA (no, it’s not owning an MV Augusta F4).
    Jeez, he was a right porker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122240
    They both seem, on occasion, to be scofflaws ?
    Jenrick looks like he’s scoffed a whole lot of other stuff as well.
    Babies are hi-calorie snacks...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

    More chance of me becoming Pope
    Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
    And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
    Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.
    Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?
    Little bit of cheating would be ok OKC
    Sorted by a trip to confession, perhaps.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994
    edited May 29
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
    Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

    I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

    This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
    It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
    Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

    BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
    Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.
    So? Hitler was an average art student, for years, until the right moment came along

    PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, there is ALWAYS hope
    What I like about Jenrick's schtick on the tube is he implies that knife crime and fare dodging is a phenomenan that has only occurred since July 2024.

    Shoplifting with impunity and without the fear of retributive justice also appears new.
  • So glad we’ve got the PB moderators back.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    If you want some quality speculation check out Andrew Bridgen ex MP on the details behind the Ukrainian male models and the fire attacks.
    Gold. Pure gold.
    Who ????
    He was the Tory who went to Fox's Reclaim and is into all sorts of theories
    Yes I know but I do not listen to anything he says !!!!!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

    More chance of me becoming Pope
    Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
    And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
    Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.
    Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?
    Little bit of cheating would be ok OKC
    Sorted by a trip to confession, perhaps.
    You can get this papal indulgence subscription plan. For just £33.99 a week you can commit most sins, and the advanced plan is just £53.99 a week. It's not advertised, but there's a Presidential package for $4m a week too.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,300
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I think it's more complicated than that, and isn't solely about police numbers.

    Since 2010, the number of police stations in England and Wales has fallen by two thirds. In London, it's been three quarters.

    So, take the example of shop lifting. In the old days, if the miscreants were apprehended, then the police would have a 10 minute trek to the nearest nick. Now it might be more like 45 minutes. So if they arrest someone they're going to be out of commission not for an hour and a half, but maybe two to three hours.

    And the underfunding of the court system means that - in the event said miscreant is prosecuted - then the police officer is out of action for a whole day, and the trial might end up getting deferred anyway, because they were unable to find a barrister willing to act for said miscreant.

    It's hard to think of an area of government spending with a better cost-benefit analysis than the criminal justice system: police, courts, prisons and the like. We all benefit from a law abiding society, and the best way to ensure that we live in a law abiding society is for there to be a meaningful prospect of apprehension and punishment if you offend. We don't have that today.

    We don't just need more police, though. Because there's no point in arresting someone if they won't be prosecuted. We need to fund the entire chain. And that means we need to fund Legal Aid too, because right now a staggering number of cases end up being dismissed or deferred because of lack of legal representation.
    They should have 24x7 courts , take the miscreants straight to the court and onwards to the pokey or ATM for the payment of fine. Even install payment machines in the court and if you don't pony up you go straight to the pokey.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
    Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

    I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

    This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
    It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
    Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

    BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
    Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.
    So? Hitler was an average art student, for years, until the right moment came along

    PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, there is ALWAYS hope
    What I like about Jenrick's schtick on the tube is he implies that knife crime and fare dodging is a phenomenan that has only occurred since July 2024.
    Who has been London mayor since 2016 ?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,390
    Alison Mitchell is an excellent cricket commentator. I like her and Steven Finn together on TMS
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    I despise Jenrick, he is a vile, oily oik, but hats off to the boy, his media and social media campaign over the last week has been superb. Not a message I would promote but the anti immigration punters love it.
    Honest question, why do you "despise" him?

    I get that he comes across as an Alan B'stard type - and quite possibly he IS that, he certainly has some dodgy stuff on his CV - but "despise" is a really strong word. Care to elaborate?

    This is not a gotcha, am curious to know
    It's the painting over the Disney mural and the Dirty Desmond deal, as JohnO noted, if he as a councillor had down what Jenrick did JohnO would be up in front of the rozzers and likely spending time at His Majesty's pleasure
    Those are reprehensible, but I find it hard to work up a emotion as visceral as "despise", more wearied annoyance

    BUT, that is probably because I agree with his politics. It works the other way, I despise some lefties for reasons that are valid - to me - but which would only cause irritation in fellow lefties
    Remember Jenrick was pure Cameroon until he was radicalised by Brexit.
    So? Hitler was an average art student, for years, until the right moment came along

    PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, there is ALWAYS hope
    What I like about Jenrick's schtick on the tube is he implies that knife crime and fare dodging is a phenomenan that has only occurred since July 2024.
    Who has been London mayor since 2016 ?
    Well quite.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 29

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    If you want some quality speculation check out Andrew Bridgen ex MP on the details behind the Ukrainian male models and the fire attacks.
    Gold. Pure gold.
    Who ????
    He was the Tory who went to Fox's Reclaim and is into all sorts of theories
    Yes I know but I do not listen to anything he says !!!!!
    Get him in a room with George and Lembit. The people want the dirty deets on everything that has ever occured!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,300

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

    More chance of me becoming Pope
    Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
    And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
    Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.
    Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?
    Little bit of cheating would be ok OKC
    Sorted by a trip to confession, perhaps.
    Would have thought only one Pope could confess to would be the man up above himself. Would not be wanting to tell his minions his naughties.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    So glad we’ve got the PB moderators back.

    They have never been away and why would you be sarcastic about their legal responsibilities to protect the site
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,994

    So glad we’ve got the PB moderators back.

    They have never been away and why would you be sarcastic about their legal responsibilities to protect the site
    Ban him G.!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    So glad we’ve got the PB moderators back.

    They have never been away and why would you be sarcastic about their legal responsibilities to protect the site
    Ban him G.!
    More importantly who has been London Mayor since 2016 responsible for TFL ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,977
    edited May 29
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I think it's more complicated than that, and isn't solely about police numbers.

    Since 2010, the number of police stations in England and Wales has fallen by two thirds. In London, it's been three quarters.

    So, take the example of shop lifting. In the old days, if the miscreants were apprehended, then the police would have a 10 minute trek to the nearest nick. Now it might be more like 45 minutes. So if they arrest someone they're going to be out of commission not for an hour and a half, but maybe two to three hours.

    And the underfunding of the court system means that - in the event said miscreant is prosecuted - then the police officer is out of action for a whole day, and the trial might end up getting deferred anyway, because they were unable to find a barrister willing to act for said miscreant.

    It's hard to think of an area of government spending with a better cost-benefit analysis than the criminal justice system: police, courts, prisons and the like. We all benefit from a law abiding society, and the best way to ensure that we live in a law abiding society is for there to be a meaningful prospect of apprehension and punishment if you offend. We don't have that today.

    We don't just need more police, though. Because there's no point in arresting someone if they won't be prosecuted. We need to fund the entire chain. And that means we need to fund Legal Aid too, because right now a staggering number of cases end up being dismissed or deferred because of lack of legal representation.
    But again the point I'm making is that we've added 8m people to the population in 20 years and on average they've not expanded GDP by enough to cover the additional public service expenditure they require. It's meant larger deficits, less money to go around and increasing tax as a proportion of GDP reducing long term trend growth. Uncontrolled immigration has been an unmitigated disaster for the UK economy. Realistically a migrant care worker or cleaner is never going to contribute enough in tax over their lifetime to cover their healthcare or pension let alone education, policing, defence, transport infrastructure etc...

    Expanding the population at such a rapid rate with such low skilled workers for the last 20 years is why we are where we are. Every low skill migrant reduces our GDP per capita and their dependents reduce it further and the taxpayer is on the hook to provide them with housing, healthcare, welfare, pensions, education and the rest of it. It's just not feasible and we need to go through a long period of net emigration of low skill and unskilled migrants plus their dependents if we ever hope to have a high yield economy that can fund proper public services and infrastructure while maintaining a relatively balanced budget. We've had a 20 year failed experiment of increasing absolute GDP at the expense of GDP per capita, well maybe the focus should always have been on per capita GDP rather than the headline figure which is absolutely useless.
    These are -candidly- separate issues.

    Even if there hadn't been any immigration in the last 15 years, the cuts to our criminal justice system would still have had a very serious impact on the lives of citizens.

    That's my point. And it's not just - or even mainly - about police numbers. It's about the fact that the legal system is so underfunded we don't prosecute people. It's about the fact that there's not a local police station that people can go to.

    Now, has immigration made things worse: probably. It's just not the sole factor here, and may even not be the dominant one. (I.e. if you think about police stations per person in London, then the biggest factor is the drop in the number of police stations, not the increase in the number of people. And the same is true with the dramatic reduction in the number of duty solicitors.)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1928116866599506070?s=19

    Public split on whether Nigel is Elizabeth with a cigarette
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If Reform win the Scottish by-election it'll be the biggest earthquake in British politics for about 30 years at least.

    More chance of me becoming Pope
    Pope Malcolm has a nice ring to it.
    And as well as the ring, you get fancy robes and a flat in a prime location.
    Nice wine cellar as well I would bet.
    Wouldn't you have to abstain during Lent?
    Little bit of cheating would be ok OKC
    Sorted by a trip to confession, perhaps.
    Would have thought only one Pope could confess to would be the man up above himself. Would not be wanting to tell his minions his naughties.
    I wondered about that after I posted!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,298
    edited May 29
    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 29
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    He's memeing too. 🫨
    'Rob Jenrick just burst in and logged me out of my girlfriends Netfllx'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    If you're all in on Jenrick, I'll eat my hat.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,197
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    It would be interesting to know what percentage of the 5 million are in the UK. Sometimes the significance of the figures are distorted by overseas viewers.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,779
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    7 million more and he'll beat me.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842
    West Indies two wickets down for 24, chasing England's 400.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500
    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    I have just seen the video and full marks to him

    Time the London mayor got a grip on this unacceptable behaviour
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,977
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    "Phone theft is out of control in London
    James Hanson
    29 May 2025, 11:59am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/phone-theft-is-out-of-control-in-london/

    It's all coming together as David Betz has been predicting. Civil strife within the next few years as the Brits finally revolt

    I see Big Dom Cummings is harping on the same theme

    And Robert Jenrick's video on X now has nearly 3m views
    HRH His holiness the Lord Sir Grant Shapps has joined the adoring Jenners throng.
    Stick a fork in Clevers and Boris, they're done
    I did predict this, when I saw Jenrick's video from Birmingham on the rubbish problem, months back

    I said:

    He's good to camera
    He totally gets the grittier issues
    He's got a skilled editorial team
    He knows how to use social media REALLY well

    And here we are

    The problem the Conservative Party has is that the massive underfunding of the criminal justice system happened on their watch.

    During their period in government, hundreds of police stations were closed down across the US. Hampstead, for example, lost its police station. Simultaneously, the courts were underfunded, so that even if you do get caught, your chance of having a timely trial is very low.

    So: I agree that lawlessness (particularly stuff like endemic shoplifting) is a serious problem. But the problem was caused by cuts from the party of law and order.

    Mostly happened under the Cameron and Clegg coalition (Hampstead police station shut in 2013), so the LDs cannot escape blame for police stations closing and legal aid and court cuts either.

    Boris and Rishi to be fair to them increased police funding
    Here's the problem. In the 2019 parliament so many of your MPs and thus ministers were wazzocks. Insincerely repeating the party line about how many extra police you were adding. Problem is that people knew that you'd taken an axe to police numbers and they could see it. So it sounded like a lie - it WAS a lie as your increase was a decrease.

    Whatever happened to the party of Law and Order btw? No police, rampant crime, criminal justice system ground to a halt and the prisons full.
    Hmmmm



    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022/police-workforce-england-and-wales-30-september-2022
    You need to look at police per 100k of the population not the absolute numbers. Again the issue comes down the 8m immigrants we've had sine 2005 not generating enough economic output to fund the extra public services that are required to have them here including the NHS, education and policing. They are a net drag on the nation and the Tories or Reform will need to start sending the non-citizens who don't meet a minimum earnings threshold home.
    I think it's more complicated than that, and isn't solely about police numbers.

    Since 2010, the number of police stations in England and Wales has fallen by two thirds. In London, it's been three quarters.

    So, take the example of shop lifting. In the old days, if the miscreants were apprehended, then the police would have a 10 minute trek to the nearest nick. Now it might be more like 45 minutes. So if they arrest someone they're going to be out of commission not for an hour and a half, but maybe two to three hours.

    And the underfunding of the court system means that - in the event said miscreant is prosecuted - then the police officer is out of action for a whole day, and the trial might end up getting deferred anyway, because they were unable to find a barrister willing to act for said miscreant.

    It's hard to think of an area of government spending with a better cost-benefit analysis than the criminal justice system: police, courts, prisons and the like. We all benefit from a law abiding society, and the best way to ensure that we live in a law abiding society is for there to be a meaningful prospect of apprehension and punishment if you offend. We don't have that today.

    We don't just need more police, though. Because there's no point in arresting someone if they won't be prosecuted. We need to fund the entire chain. And that means we need to fund Legal Aid too, because right now a staggering number of cases end up being dismissed or deferred because of lack of legal representation.
    They should have 24x7 courts , take the miscreants straight to the court and onwards to the pokey or ATM for the payment of fine. Even install payment machines in the court and if you don't pony up you go straight to the pokey.
    24 hour courts without 24 hour lawyers doesn't improve things. Because when said miscreant arrives at court, and the Judge asks "do you have representation?", and miscreant says "no", then the Judge is going to adjourn the case.

    We have difficulty enough persuading junior barristers to trek to Uxbridge Magistrates Court for £75 to represent someone in a shoplifting case, persuading them to do it at 4am isn't going to be easier.

    What we probably should do is to replicate the US system of having public defenders offices that are staffed up with salaried lawyers, so that you don't need to have a whole palaver of trying to find representation for some scrote for minimal recompense.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    I have just seen the video and full marks to him

    Time the London mayor got a grip on this unacceptable behaviour
    He'd just decriminalise fare dodging.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,853

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    I have just seen the video and full marks to him

    Time the London mayor got a grip on this unacceptable behaviour
    I agree. Jenrick needs to be admonished.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,500

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    I have just seen the video and full marks to him

    Time the London mayor got a grip on this unacceptable behaviour
    I agree. Jenrick needs to be admonished.
    Do you really support fare dodging ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,480

    Warning by CPS about publishing anything about the Liverpool outrage

    I assume the same warning will apply to PB

    No speculation at all

    If you want some quality speculation check out Andrew Bridgen ex MP on the details behind the Ukrainian male models and the fire attacks.
    Gold. Pure gold.
    He's gone full .... something.

    Andrew Bridgen
    @ABridgen May 28
    This shockingly demonstrates what those who rule over us think of unborn children. It will be the same in the UK, Why do you think there is so much legislation and enforcement of ‘protected zones’ around abortion clinics ? Because there is so much money to be made from selling the body parts. Do you really think these same rulers would not force you to take an untested experimental medication ? Luciferians ?

    https://x.com/ABridgen/status/1927644311543324981
  • I agree @Mexicanpete, ban me for good. The PB moderators have spoken.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    The forces of evil are massing against Jenrick

    LBC
    Femi
    The Secret Barrister
    Times Radio

    We must protect our crime fighting midget!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,853

    Leon said:

    JENRICKVISION closing in on 5 MILLION views on X (dunno about elsewhere)

    He's the only Brit politician - other than Farage - who really gets social media, esp in the TikTok age

    You need short, clicky videos, with a plain but compelling narrative. Lots of movement, telling detail, end well

    I have just seen the video and full marks to him

    Time the London mayor got a grip on this unacceptable behaviour
    I agree. Jenrick needs to be admonished.
    Do you really support fare dodging ?
    No.
    But nor do I support a publicity-seeking politician doing stunt videos to further his sleazy career.
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