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  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,948

    Beautifully symmetrical now: Reform up 662, Conservatives down 662.

    Essentially meaning that Reform gains from Labour are comparable with LD and Green gains from the Tories.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,805
    edited May 2
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    How soon is Kemi toast ?

    Either side of the party conference is what I am hearing.
    If Jenrick does stage a coup to replace her, they will deserve the electoral oblivion they are getting.

    Lloyd George without the ability.

    Or the sex (well, so far as we know).
    Never misunderestimate a Cambridge man.

    Fun fact, both Jenrick and Richard Burgon both went to St. John's.
    So what you're saying is that St John's is a really, really bad college?
    "I'd rather be at Oxford than St John's" as Trinity drinking societies have been known to sing to She'll be coming round fhe mountain.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,433
    FPT, but relevant here.
    HYUFD said:

    @Nigel_Farage
    says any Durham County Council staff working on diversity or climate change initiatives, or think 'they can go on working from home', should be 'seeking alternative careers'

    It is one of seven county councils now under Reform's control
    https://x.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1918323083305275735

    What happens when it turns out the Diversity and Climate Change bogeyman are phantoms, or that WFO costs the council more?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,431

    Shoot me later. The WORLD EXCLUSIVE launch of my new YouTube politics channel called Emergency Podcast

    https://youtu.be/T7Okk0bsMpI

    Small point....Might have been useful to start with a quick intro of who you guys are / background.
    It is episode 3
    In your settings there is a switch you have to set to ensure that everything you upload is notified to your subscribers. I don't know which one it is unfortunately.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,414

    Now about those saying last night that Labour hadn't done so badly....and the Tories have done even worse.

    The big problem the Tories, their brand is shot, while they aren't in power to change anything and massive lack of talent.

    But the Tories can simply absorb themselves into Reform and at a later date change their name to Conservative. Back to winning ways before you know it.
    They would have to kiss the ring of Nige...and of course we know he is such a great team player who loves to play nice / share with others. I think the team spirit would be about as good as Man United these days.
    Big Nige is the Harry Maguire of politics. Played a blinder last night after being written off as past it.

    One of Leicester best sales! We banked a £67 million profit on that one 🤣🤣🤣
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,775

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They think Russia etc. is a weak spot for Reform? I think it could be, but it wasn't yesterday.
    I think the Russia angle kicks in when it looks like Farage/Reform will be running foreign/defence policy rather than schools and potholes in Geordieland.
    You need to brush up on your north east geography!
    You're all Geordies up there.
    Says the man from the East Midlands!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,578
    FPT
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    Feck, this is worse than my worse nightmare. The people of this country have completely and utterly lost the place. Our normal, mainstream parties have been destroyed. Both of them. Together.

    This is what we get for politicians pretending that we are a "rich country." We are not. We are a debtor country. We have the "right" to a certain standard of living, whether we work, whether we actually produce or whether we simply take off the state. Do we fuck.

    This sort of lies (because that is what they are) have put us in a dark space. Tytler, a Scot, said nearly 200 years ago: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits, with the result that the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

    This is Reform in a nutshell but it is Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems too. All of them lie to us about what is needed, what we can actually afford, what we are actually entitled to and what we need to do to earn what we want.

    Nine of the poorest ten regions in Northern Europe are now in the UK, with just one of the richest ten.
    I don't believe these statistics for one moment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,620
    O'Sullivan crushed at the Crucible - beaten by Zhao with a session to spare.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,501

    FPT, but relevant here.

    HYUFD said:

    @Nigel_Farage
    says any Durham County Council staff working on diversity or climate change initiatives, or think 'they can go on working from home', should be 'seeking alternative careers'

    It is one of seven county councils now under Reform's control
    https://x.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1918323083305275735

    What happens when it turns out the Diversity and Climate Change bogeyman are phantoms, or that WFO costs the council more?
    It bemuses me that they are so anti-Net Zero.

    For an anti-immigration party it seems to me they're missing a trick not linking Net Zero emissions with Net Zero migration.

    Personally I'm of the cake and eat it variety, I think technology will solve the problem and see no reason why we can't have massive amounts of construction and growth while achieving net zero and having population growth, but playing Devils Advocate it seems to me they could make an argument that not having population growth would cut the need for concrete etc which would make Net Zero easier.

    But instead they just reject the environment altogether and just represent the worst of everything, on every issue.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,962
    viewcode said:

    Shoot me later. The WORLD EXCLUSIVE launch of my new YouTube politics channel called Emergency Podcast

    https://youtu.be/T7Okk0bsMpI

    Small point....Might have been useful to start with a quick intro of who you guys are / background.
    It is episode 3
    In your settings there is a switch you have to set to ensure that everything you upload is notified to your subscribers. I don't know which one it is unfortunately.
    No no, we launched on ep 3 - the other two launched at the same time. Standard UTuub thing - launch with some videos already in the bank.

    Plus we needed to. learn how to do this. The pilot episode is beset by technical issues.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,376

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They think Russia etc. is a weak spot for Reform? I think it could be, but it wasn't yesterday.
    I think the Russia angle kicks in when it looks like Farage/Reform will be running foreign/defence policy rather than schools and potholes in Geordieland.
    It’s a hugely important topic, but I remain unconvinced it will change a lot of votes. It should, but my guess is it won’t. Farage has also been savvier than Trump (it wouldn’t take much) in his messaging on Ukraine. I am sure he would make the wrong calls on things like European security, but a lot of voters won’t be processing the nuances of that.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,558
    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ukraine is still happening whereas 'cost of living crisis' was over more than a year ago.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,578

    Shoot me later. The WORLD EXCLUSIVE launch of my new YouTube politics channel called Emergency Podcast

    https://youtu.be/T7Okk0bsMpI

    Yay, I was subscriber number 4.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,075

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    How soon is Kemi toast ?

    Either side of the party conference is what I am hearing.
    If Jenrick does stage a coup to replace her, they will deserve the electoral oblivion they are getting.

    Lloyd George without the ability.

    Or the sex (well, so far as we know).
    Never misunderestimate a Cambridge man.

    Fun fact, both Jenrick and Richard Burgon both went to St. John's.
    So what you're saying is that St John's is a really, really bad college?
    It produced Lord Palmerston and one of the greatest humans ever, William WIlberforce.
    Wordsworth (he tells the story in Bk III of The Prelude). Paul Dirac.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,116
    edited May 2

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,255
    rcs1000 said:

    Completely off topic, but this piece from The Bulwark which is mostly on John Fetterman is worth reading: https://substack.com/home/post/p-162687639

    Come on guys... let's leave Reform behind for a minute.

    The only positive side I can see to the local elections is that we have spent almost all the entire day not thinking about Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,116
    Leon said:

    Picnic in Regents Park ANECDOTE KLAXON

    Left wing friend, very bright, kinda Blairite. Two kids, made his own fortune, massive engineer geek

    We got on to politics and I admitted I'm now Reform and he pretended to do a little rant but we both knew his heart wasn't in it. He then went on a ten minute rant of his own, about the utter nediocrity of Starmer (with tones of genuinely bitter disappointment). He then said "fuck it, maybe Farage will be better, or maybe he will be Trump. I don't care any more, maybe it's worth the risk

    He then became eloquently sad and angry about the school in South London opposite his house where he sees little girls in niqabs - aged 12 or so

    This is the pond in which Reform is flourishing. A mixture of contempt for our present big parties, despair at their stupidity, a sense of "roll the dice" and a genuine disquiet about cultural changes

    OK, which tragic fuck flagged this?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,820
    Fun fact: both TSE and Nick Griffin went to Cambridge.

    :innocent:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,003
    edited May 2
    .

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    They think Russia etc. is a weak spot for Reform? I think it could be, but it wasn't yesterday.
    I think the Russia angle kicks in when it looks like Farage/Reform will be running foreign/defence policy rather than schools and potholes in Geordieland.
    Who knows what the world will look like by July 2029.
    2029 is always a vaguely terrifying year in my brain because it's the future Kyle Reese is running around dodging Terminators and HKs in.
    With the rate robotics is developing...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,620
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Picnic in Regents Park ANECDOTE KLAXON

    Left wing friend, very bright, kinda Blairite. Two kids, made his own fortune, massive engineer geek

    We got on to politics and I admitted I'm now Reform and he pretended to do a little rant but we both knew his heart wasn't in it. He then went on a ten minute rant of his own, about the utter nediocrity of Starmer (with tones of genuinely bitter disappointment). He then said "fuck it, maybe Farage will be better, or maybe he will be Trump. I don't care any more, maybe it's worth the risk

    He then became eloquently sad and angry about the school in South London opposite his house where he sees little girls in niqabs - aged 12 or so

    This is the pond in which Reform is flourishing. A mixture of contempt for our present big parties, despair at their stupidity, a sense of "roll the dice" and a genuine disquiet about cultural changes

    OK, which tragic fuck flagged this?
    Perhaps it was @Eadric?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,578
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Picnic in Regents Park ANECDOTE KLAXON

    Left wing friend, very bright, kinda Blairite. Two kids, made his own fortune, massive engineer geek

    We got on to politics and I admitted I'm now Reform and he pretended to do a little rant but we both knew his heart wasn't in it. He then went on a ten minute rant of his own, about the utter nediocrity of Starmer (with tones of genuinely bitter disappointment). He then said "fuck it, maybe Farage will be better, or maybe he will be Trump. I don't care any more, maybe it's worth the risk

    He then became eloquently sad and angry about the school in South London opposite his house where he sees little girls in niqabs - aged 12 or so

    This is the pond in which Reform is flourishing. A mixture of contempt for our present big parties, despair at their stupidity, a sense of "roll the dice" and a genuine disquiet about cultural changes

    OK, which tragic fuck flagged this?
    We can guess the usual suspects.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,558
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too lare

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Didn't you vote for Keir Starmer and until last week supported unrestricted immigration from the EU ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,003
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    How soon is Kemi toast ?

    Either side of the party conference is what I am hearing.
    If Jenrick does stage a coup to replace her, they will deserve the electoral oblivion they are getting.

    Lloyd George without the ability.

    Or the sex (well, so far as we know).
    Never misunderestimate a Cambridge man.

    Fun fact, both Jenrick and Richard Burgon both went to St. John's.
    So what you're saying is that St John's is a really, really bad college?
    It produced Lord Palmerston and one of the greatest humans ever, William WIlberforce.
    Wordsworth (he tells the story in Bk III of The Prelude). Paul Dirac.
    WTF happened to it in recent decades, then ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,255
    Foxy said:

    Now about those saying last night that Labour hadn't done so badly....and the Tories have done even worse.

    The big problem the Tories, their brand is shot, while they aren't in power to change anything and massive lack of talent.

    But the Tories can simply absorb themselves into Reform and at a later date change their name to Conservative. Back to winning ways before you know it.
    They would have to kiss the ring of Nige...and of course we know he is such a great team player who loves to play nice / share with others. I think the team spirit would be about as good as Man United these days.
    Big Nige is the Harry Maguire of politics. Played a blinder last night after being written off as past it.

    One of Leicester best sales! We banked a £67 million profit on that one 🤣🤣🤣
    Ah but you missed his talents as a winger.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,962
    edited May 2
    Andy_JS said:

    Shoot me later. The WORLD EXCLUSIVE launch of my new YouTube politics channel called Emergency Podcast

    https://youtu.be/T7Okk0bsMpI

    Yay, I was subscriber number 4.
    Mercy buckets.

    We'll do another intro in the next video. Y'all know me. 25 years in Labour until I defected to the LibDems. The boy Nige was a long-standing LibDem, until he defected to Labour.

    And we're both from Rochdale...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,414

    FPT, but relevant here.

    HYUFD said:

    @Nigel_Farage
    says any Durham County Council staff working on diversity or climate change initiatives, or think 'they can go on working from home', should be 'seeking alternative careers'

    It is one of seven county councils now under Reform's control
    https://x.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1918323083305275735

    What happens when it turns out the Diversity and Climate Change bogeyman are phantoms, or that WFO costs the council more?
    Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Nigel doesn't!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,951
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Completely off topic, but this piece from The Bulwark which is mostly on John Fetterman is worth reading: https://substack.com/home/post/p-162687639

    Come on guys... let's leave Reform behind for a minute.

    The only positive side I can see to the local elections is that we have spent almost all the entire day not thinking about Trump.
    Tomorrow he'll be telling us he got elected to Durham County Council and Pope on the same day.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,737
    Foxy said:

    Now about those saying last night that Labour hadn't done so badly....and the Tories have done even worse.

    The big problem the Tories, their brand is shot, while they aren't in power to change anything and massive lack of talent.

    But the Tories can simply absorb themselves into Reform and at a later date change their name to Conservative. Back to winning ways before you know it.
    They would have to kiss the ring of Nige...and of course we know he is such a great team player who loves to play nice / share with others. I think the team spirit would be about as good as Man United these days.
    Big Nige is the Harry Maguire of politics. Played a blinder last night after being written off as past it.

    One of Leicester best sales! We banked a £67 million profit on that one 🤣🤣🤣
    Not gone so well on the pitch since he left, mind.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 157
    ydoethur said:

    O'Sullivan crushed at the Crucible - beaten by Zhao with a session to spare.

    Good.

    I can't stomach actually watching a single frame of that pitiful excuse for a human, but it's always a deep, transcendent joy to learn that he's lost a match!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,116
    edited May 2
    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sweet Jesus wanking Christ, he is so bad at this. That is one of the dreariest speeches I have ever heard from anyone in human history, ever

    It's so dreary it's kinda beyond description. He has negative rizz. He is Cringe-o-matic Man. As long as he remains Labour leader and PM, then Farage is guaranteed to win in '28

    I bet Nige can't believe his luck. He is facing a municipal car park manager as prime minister, Ed "bouncy castle" Davey of the Lib Dems, and a Twitterati sixth form girl as Tory LOTO. In this context he is a titan surrounded drunken midgets with sexual issues
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,414

    Foxy said:

    Now about those saying last night that Labour hadn't done so badly....and the Tories have done even worse.

    The big problem the Tories, their brand is shot, while they aren't in power to change anything and massive lack of talent.

    But the Tories can simply absorb themselves into Reform and at a later date change their name to Conservative. Back to winning ways before you know it.
    They would have to kiss the ring of Nige...and of course we know he is such a great team player who loves to play nice / share with others. I think the team spirit would be about as good as Man United these days.
    Big Nige is the Harry Maguire of politics. Played a blinder last night after being written off as past it.

    One of Leicester best sales! We banked a £67 million profit on that one 🤣🤣🤣
    Not gone so well on the pitch since he left, mind.
    We did win the FA Cup, before the roller coaster that is Leicester City plummeted downwards.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,984
    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,232
    ydoethur said:

    O'Sullivan crushed at the Crucible - beaten by Zhao with a session to spare.

    He'll have to console himself with the 100 grand prize money he just got
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,652

    FPT, but relevant here.

    HYUFD said:

    @Nigel_Farage
    says any Durham County Council staff working on diversity or climate change initiatives, or think 'they can go on working from home', should be 'seeking alternative careers'

    It is one of seven county councils now under Reform's control
    https://x.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1918323083305275735

    What happens when it turns out the Diversity and Climate Change bogeyman are phantoms, or that WFO costs the council more?
    I checked to see how many Diversity and Equality Officers are employed by my local council. The answer is none! So, by sacking them all, the council would save £0.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    This lady has got Big Ange down pat.

    Runcorn Wallops Us Labours!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxDPqA0d4E
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,962
    So, that was the 2025 local elections. A seismic day. Yet another “that’s impossible” event which just happened
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,631
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,951
    edited May 2
    CatMan said:

    ydoethur said:

    O'Sullivan crushed at the Crucible - beaten by Zhao with a session to spare.

    He'll have to console himself with the 100 grand prize money he just got
    That and the fact he gives the impression of hating playing the game, no need to turn up for a two day final.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,353
    The BBC totals are final now - it only adds up to 1,637 councillors but there were two two-seaters cancelled due to the death of a candidate (Mansfield North in Nottinghamshire and Higham Ferrers in North Northamptonshire).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,737

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Reading KL about the Nazi concentration camps. The idea that other ‘races’ were not equal to Germans was one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, and that led to the horrors I send myself to sleep with each night. I’ve not even reached Auschwitz yet and the war has only just got going.
    If you want to understand why people are worried about AfD it might be because they too regard non Germans as not equal to Germans.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,003
    Oh boy.

    BREAKING: Stephen Miller, deputy chief of staff to Trump and the brain behind the mass deportations and Trump's immigration policies, emerges as a top candidate to replace Mike Waltz as National Security Adviser, as per Axios.
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1918354662513668102
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,248

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Vance should STFU . He’s a lapdog to a wannabbee dictator and has the gall to lecture others on their democracy .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,737

    FPT, but relevant here.

    HYUFD said:

    @Nigel_Farage
    says any Durham County Council staff working on diversity or climate change initiatives, or think 'they can go on working from home', should be 'seeking alternative careers'

    It is one of seven county councils now under Reform's control
    https://x.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1918323083305275735

    What happens when it turns out the Diversity and Climate Change bogeyman are phantoms, or that WFO costs the council more?
    I checked to see how many Diversity and Equality Officers are employed by my local council. The answer is none! So, by sacking them all, the council would save £0.
    I’d be amazed if those roles aren’t in someone’s job description, even if the job title isn’t that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,693
    Nigelb said:

    Oh boy.

    BREAKING: Stephen Miller, deputy chief of staff to Trump and the brain behind the mass deportations and Trump's immigration policies, emerges as a top candidate to replace Mike Waltz as National Security Adviser, as per Axios.
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1918354662513668102

    So national security will now all be about deporting millions to keep america safe from "scum"?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,406
    Leon said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sweet Jesus wanking Christ, he is so bad at this. That is one of the dreariest speeches I have ever heard from anyone in human history, ever

    It's so dreary it's kinda beyond description. He has negative rizz. He is Cringe-o-matic Man. As long as he remains Labour leader and PM, then Farage is guaranteed to win in '28

    I bet Nige can't believe his luck. He is facing a municipal car park manager as prime minister, Ed "bouncy castle" Davey of the Lib Dems, and a Twitterati sixth form girl as Tory LOTO. In this context he is a titan surrounded drunken midgets with sexual issues
    The way the waves parted, allowing him to drift slightly backwards yet obtain a massive majority, was a stroke of fortune beyond his wildest dreams. In his mind he probably thinks the parliamentary arithmetic actually means he is popular, in the way he believes a transwoman is no longer a man because the rules changed, despite believing they were won when the rules said something different.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,501
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Oh give over.

    As a non-racist atheist I find it quite possible to both bemoan sectarianism/religion and support migration simultaneously. Especially since most migrants are neither sectarian, nor religious fanatics. Nor is sectarianism/religion anything new or unique to migrants.

    We were bombed in my town by sectarian/religious terrorists, killing children, when I was a child. Not due to immigration. I could bemoan that sectarianism too without taking a "lets deport/blame everyone Irish" attitude.

    The Gazan Independents bunch are rotten apples, I don't disagree with that. And if it weren't for migration then we might not have them, I don't disagree with that either. But most migrants aren't that and there's rotten apples either way and always has been.

    We should support the vast majority of law abiding migrant and native population, while opposing sectarians of any kind.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,620

    Nigelb said:

    Oh boy.

    BREAKING: Stephen Miller, deputy chief of staff to Trump and the brain behind the mass deportations and Trump's immigration policies, emerges as a top candidate to replace Mike Waltz as National Security Adviser, as per Axios.
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1918354662513668102

    So national security will now all be about deporting millions to keep america safe from "scum"?
    Well, if Trump, Vance, Loomer and Greene were deported to El Salvador America would be very considerably safer.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2
    Leon said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sweet Jesus wanking Christ, he is so bad at this. That is one of the dreariest speeches I have ever heard from anyone in human history, ever

    It's so dreary it's kinda beyond description. He has negative rizz. He is Cringe-o-matic Man. As long as he remains Labour leader and PM, then Farage is guaranteed to win in '28

    I bet Nige can't believe his luck. He is facing a municipal car park manager as prime minister, Ed "bouncy castle" Davey of the Lib Dems, and a Twitterati sixth form girl as Tory LOTO. In this context he is a titan surrounded drunken midgets with sexual issues
    He has a really odd way of speaking...

    "last week..i was...was on the carrier...the strike carrier...that is...taking..you know..the best part of 2000 people...actually...from our armed forces...on an 8 month...really important....mission."

    Rather than..."Last week I visited the strike carrier that is going on a long term mission"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,116
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
    People like @Foxy and @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu and @OnlyLivingBoy and @Roger and the rest, who want more and more immigration, and think multiculturalism is a fantastic success, should count themselves lucky that, as things stand, the popular right opposition is a relatively humane and domesticated beast like Reform

    Nigel Farage is not gonna start shooting boat-people, he's not gonna cancel elections, he won't bring back the noose. Indeed he is criticised by many on the alt.right for being too soft

    There is no law to say Britain is magically immune from much nastier political forces, lile the AfD in Germany

    We should pray that if and when Farage reaches power and succeeds, the boil is lanced, and British democracy endures. Because the alternative will not be a cosy return to the old politics, it will be something darker


  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,652
    DM_Andy said:

    The BBC totals are final now - it only adds up to 1,637 councillors but there were two two-seaters cancelled due to the death of a candidate (Mansfield North in Nottinghamshire and Higham Ferrers in North Northamptonshire).

    The Tories held fewer than 32% of the seats they were defending. Labour held fewer than 35% of the seats they were defending. Unprecedented!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,962

    FPT, but relevant here.

    HYUFD said:

    @Nigel_Farage
    says any Durham County Council staff working on diversity or climate change initiatives, or think 'they can go on working from home', should be 'seeking alternative careers'

    It is one of seven county councils now under Reform's control
    https://x.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1918323083305275735

    What happens when it turns out the Diversity and Climate Change bogeyman are phantoms, or that WFO costs the council more?
    I checked to see how many Diversity and Equality Officers are employed by my local council. The answer is none! So, by sacking them all, the council would save £0.
    I’d be amazed if those roles aren’t in someone’s job description, even if the job title isn’t that.
    “DEI”. This is the point I made earlier. For all that Trump is unpopular in the UK Trumps policies are not…
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,984

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Reading KL about the Nazi concentration camps. The idea that other ‘races’ were not equal to Germans was one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, and that led to the horrors I send myself to sleep with each night. I’ve not even reached Auschwitz yet and the war has only just got going.
    If you want to understand why people are worried about AfD it might be because they too regard non Germans as not equal to Germans.
    Simply regarding non-Germans as non-German is the thought crime they are accused of.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 874
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
    People like @Foxy and @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu and @OnlyLivingBoy and @Roger and the rest, who want more and more immigration, and think multiculturalism is a fantastic success, should count themselves lucky that, as things stand, the popular right opposition is a relatively humane and domesticated beast like Reform

    Nigel Farage is not gonna start shooting boat-people, he's not gonna cancel elections, he won't bring back the noose. Indeed he is criticised by many on the alt.right for being too soft

    There is no law to say Britain is magically immune from much nastier political forces, lile the AfD in Germany

    We should pray that if and when Farage reaches power and succeeds, the boil is lanced, and British democracy endures. Because the alternative will not be a cosy return to the old politics, it will be something darker


    Do as I say or I'll get really nasty
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,116

    Leon said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sweet Jesus wanking Christ, he is so bad at this. That is one of the dreariest speeches I have ever heard from anyone in human history, ever

    It's so dreary it's kinda beyond description. He has negative rizz. He is Cringe-o-matic Man. As long as he remains Labour leader and PM, then Farage is guaranteed to win in '28

    I bet Nige can't believe his luck. He is facing a municipal car park manager as prime minister, Ed "bouncy castle" Davey of the Lib Dems, and a Twitterati sixth form girl as Tory LOTO. In this context he is a titan surrounded drunken midgets with sexual issues
    He has a really odd way of speaking...

    "last week..i was...was on the carrier...the strike carrier...that is...taking..you know..the best part of 2000 people...actually...from our armed forces...on an 8 month...really important....mission."

    Rather than..."Last week I visited the strike carrier that is going on a long term mission"
    To be frank, he looks like a man entirely out of his depth, and doing the wrong job - and he knows it
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,620
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sweet Jesus wanking Christ, he is so bad at this. That is one of the dreariest speeches I have ever heard from anyone in human history, ever

    It's so dreary it's kinda beyond description. He has negative rizz. He is Cringe-o-matic Man. As long as he remains Labour leader and PM, then Farage is guaranteed to win in '28

    I bet Nige can't believe his luck. He is facing a municipal car park manager as prime minister, Ed "bouncy castle" Davey of the Lib Dems, and a Twitterati sixth form girl as Tory LOTO. In this context he is a titan surrounded drunken midgets with sexual issues
    He has a really odd way of speaking...

    "last week..i was...was on the carrier...the strike carrier...that is...taking..you know..the best part of 2000 people...actually...from our armed forces...on an 8 month...really important....mission."

    Rather than..."Last week I visited the strike carrier that is going on a long term mission"
    To be frank, he looks like a man entirely out of his depth, and doing the wrong job - and he knows it
    So what you're saying is, only an idiot would have voted for him?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,845
    I’ve asked this before, I’ll ask it again.

    Why did Linda McMahon get approved as Trumps education Secretary with this hanging over her. These are just additional to allegation that predate Nov 24

    https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2025/4/29/24420194/wwe-hall-of-famers-pat-patterson-koko-b-ware-accused-abuse-amended-ring-boys-lawsuit-mcmahons-wwf
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,883
    edited May 2
    Reflections on the Shropshire Elections….

    Good day for RefUK, especially in the orbit of the Black Country.

    Cracking day for the LibDems, especially in the Shrewsbury and North Shropshire divisions.

    Not great for Labour, but didn’t have much to lose. A strong personal vote saw them hold my division.

    Extinction level event for the Tories who mainly deserved it. But very happy to see Dan Thomas hold onto the Much Wenlock division as he has been a very effective and helpful councillor.

    Election have consequences and the first is that the Shrewsbury Northern Relief Road is likely dead and buried. Delighted about that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,737

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Reading KL about the Nazi concentration camps. The idea that other ‘races’ were not equal to Germans was one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, and that led to the horrors I send myself to sleep with each night. I’ve not even reached Auschwitz yet and the war has only just got going.
    If you want to understand why people are worried about AfD it might be because they too regard non Germans as not equal to Germans.
    Simply regarding non-Germans as non-German is the thought crime they are accused of.
    That is not what is being reported. For instance https://news.sky.com/story/germanys-far-right-afd-party-officially-classified-as-extremist-organisation-13359754
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,578
    "Britain | Nigel’s party
    The fallout from Reform UK’s big win in local elections
    For Labour, it’s a problem; for the Conservatives, an existential threat"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/05/02/the-fallout-from-reform-uks-big-win-in-local-elections
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,501

    Reflections on the Shropshire Elections….

    Good day for RefUK, especially in the orbit of the Black Country.

    Cracking day for the LibDems, especially in the Shrewsbury and North Shropshire divisions.

    Not great for Labour, but didn’t have much to lose. A strong personal vote saw them hold my division.

    Extinction level event for the Tories who mainly deserved it. But very happy to see Dan Thomas hold onto the Much Wenlock division as he has been a very effective and helpful councillor.

    Election have consequences and the first is that the Shrewsbury Northern Relief Road is likely dead and buried. Delighted about that.

    What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?

    If you don't want the road investment, I'll happily take it. There's plenty that would improve our infrastructure by building stuff around here.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,693

    James Johnson
    @jamesjohnson252
    ·
    4h
    1⃣ The status quo continues: Reform and the Tories continue to poll (in Westminster voting intention) c.25%. Because there are few genuine 3-way marginals due to demographics, Labour benefits - winning elections on low vote shares. I think this is still the most likely outcome.

    James Johnson
    @jamesjohnson252
    ·
    4h
    2⃣ The (optimistic) Tory recovery scenario: a new leader - probably Rob Jenrick - through a combination of political nous and sheer luck, squeezes Reform down to c.15% in the polls. A Farage who does not want to be an MP for a decade probably takes the deal.

    James Johnson
    @jamesjohnson252
    ·
    4h
    That is the best bet the Tories have of being *the* alternative to Labour. It is, though, the least likely path and LOTS of 'if'.

    One thing I am certain of: going down a soft-moderate Tory path (e.g. Cleverly) would be a nothingburger offer - & tantamount to electoral suicide.

    https://x.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1918341723735928978
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:


    This man could make the story of the greatest night of your life seem stilted, awkward and boring

    In his first speech after yesterdays elections, Starmer could have chosen to appear at a school, a library or a care home. He could have spoken about the cost of living crisis.

    Instead he chose to appear at a defence contractor and speak about Ukraine & military drones


    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/1918244829491777904?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sweet Jesus wanking Christ, he is so bad at this. That is one of the dreariest speeches I have ever heard from anyone in human history, ever

    It's so dreary it's kinda beyond description. He has negative rizz. He is Cringe-o-matic Man. As long as he remains Labour leader and PM, then Farage is guaranteed to win in '28

    I bet Nige can't believe his luck. He is facing a municipal car park manager as prime minister, Ed "bouncy castle" Davey of the Lib Dems, and a Twitterati sixth form girl as Tory LOTO. In this context he is a titan surrounded drunken midgets with sexual issues
    He has a really odd way of speaking...

    "last week..i was...was on the carrier...the strike carrier...that is...taking..you know..the best part of 2000 people...actually...from our armed forces...on an 8 month...really important....mission."

    Rather than..."Last week I visited the strike carrier that is going on a long term mission"
    To be frank, he looks like a man entirely out of his depth, and doing the wrong job - and he knows it
    If he spoke like that in court, I would be struggling to follow what the hell he was on about.

    It reminds me a tiny bit of Trump in that you get all this sidetracked unnecessary detail. Which interestingly with Trump in his younger days he didn't talk like that at all, he was still the braggadocios New Yorker, but much more focused on the message.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,693
    BBC must be bloody sure Nigel isn't going to be next PM because bumping his massive breakthrough moment for an "exclusive" with Prince Harry isn't going to go well at all in Reform world I suspect.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,693
    Jenrick at 3 on BF looks value to me.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,912

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Reading KL about the Nazi concentration camps. The idea that other ‘races’ were not equal to Germans was one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, and that led to the horrors I send myself to sleep with each night. I’ve not even reached Auschwitz yet and the war has only just got going.
    If you want to understand why people are worried about AfD it might be because they too regard non Germans as not equal to Germans.
    Simply regarding non-Germans as non-German is the thought crime they are accused of.
    "In 2017, ten AfD Bundestag members were found to have participated in a closed Facebook group named "the Patriots" in which, among other things, antisemitic, racist, pro-Nazi and conspiratorial posts were widespread. One meme posted therein, which showed Holocaust victim Anne Frank's face edited on a pizza box labelled "The Oven-fresh", gained particular media attention."

    These are your new friends, William.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,883

    Reflections on the Shropshire Elections….

    Good day for RefUK, especially in the orbit of the Black Country.

    Cracking day for the LibDems, especially in the Shrewsbury and North Shropshire divisions.

    Not great for Labour, but didn’t have much to lose. A strong personal vote saw them hold my division.

    Extinction level event for the Tories who mainly deserved it. But very happy to see Dan Thomas hold onto the Much Wenlock division as he has been a very effective and helpful councillor.

    Election have consequences and the first is that the Shrewsbury Northern Relief Road is likely dead and buried. Delighted about that.

    What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?

    If you don't want the road investment, I'll happily take it. There's plenty that would improve our infrastructure by building stuff around here.
    Wrong road in the wrong place Barty.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,578
    edited May 2

    BBC must be bloody sure Nigel isn't going to be next PM because bumping his massive breakthrough moment for an "exclusive" with Prince Harry isn't going to go well at all in Reform world I suspect.

    Stupid decision by the BBC. ITV leading with the elections.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,384

    Donald Trump has announced that the US is to strip mention of Europe out of its annual celebration of victory in the Second World War. The president said that the May 8 Victory in Europe Day (VE Day) will become “Victory Day for World War Two”.

    Wonder where he got that idea......

    .Russia also uses Victory Day to celebrate the end of the war.

    Trump's forgotten America was still fighting Japan until August.
    Did you see the interview the other day where Trump keeps insisting that this guy had MS13 tattooed on his knuckles? It's worth watching the exchange - Trump has quite clearly lost whatever bit of plot he once had.

    "forgotten the war vs Japan" is far too generous
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,775
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC must be bloody sure Nigel isn't going to be next PM because bumping his massive breakthrough moment for an "exclusive" with Prince Harry isn't going to go well at all in Reform world I suspect.

    Stupid decision by the BBC. ITV leading with the elections.
    Well ITV aren't going to lead with a BBC exclusive interview.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC must be bloody sure Nigel isn't going to be next PM because bumping his massive breakthrough moment for an "exclusive" with Prince Harry isn't going to go well at all in Reform world I suspect.

    Stupid decision by the BBC. ITV leading with the elections.
    The BBC increasingly leaning into Daily Mail-esque celeb gossip stuff being given prominent position, especially overnight / weekends. I presume it gets them lots of clicks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,501

    Reflections on the Shropshire Elections….

    Good day for RefUK, especially in the orbit of the Black Country.

    Cracking day for the LibDems, especially in the Shrewsbury and North Shropshire divisions.

    Not great for Labour, but didn’t have much to lose. A strong personal vote saw them hold my division.

    Extinction level event for the Tories who mainly deserved it. But very happy to see Dan Thomas hold onto the Much Wenlock division as he has been a very effective and helpful councillor.

    Election have consequences and the first is that the Shrewsbury Northern Relief Road is likely dead and buried. Delighted about that.

    What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?

    If you don't want the road investment, I'll happily take it. There's plenty that would improve our infrastructure by building stuff around here.
    Wrong road in the wrong place Barty.
    No such thing.

    Like "wrong housing in the wrong place".

    I find it hard to believe the road won't be used if its built - and I know nothing about the proposed road, just that people do tend to use infrastructure that is built even if people oppose it as its "wrong".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,693
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
    People like @Foxy and @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu and @OnlyLivingBoy and @Roger and the rest, who want more and more immigration, and think multiculturalism is a fantastic success, should count themselves lucky that, as things stand, the popular right opposition is a relatively humane and domesticated beast like Reform

    Nigel Farage is not gonna start shooting boat-people, he's not gonna cancel elections, he won't bring back the noose. Indeed he is criticised by many on the alt.right for being too soft

    There is no law to say Britain is magically immune from much nastier political forces, lile the AfD in Germany

    We should pray that if and when Farage reaches power and succeeds, the boil is lanced, and British democracy endures. Because the alternative will not be a cosy return to the old politics, it will be something darker


    You may be right. But the Brits rejected Oswald Moseley in 1930s. Maybe we will again.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,693

    Andy_JS said:

    BBC must be bloody sure Nigel isn't going to be next PM because bumping his massive breakthrough moment for an "exclusive" with Prince Harry isn't going to go well at all in Reform world I suspect.

    Stupid decision by the BBC. ITV leading with the elections.
    Well ITV aren't going to lead with a BBC exclusive interview.
    It's an exclusive and potentially world news as our royals are such celebs out there but hold it for just 24 hours and run with Reform's big day.

    They will pay a very very heavy price for this one day I fear.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2
    There was talk from the likes of SO on Farage ability as a politician. It is really interesting how he handles this interview, where the interviewer is very hostile and tries to frame everything in a particular manner e,g, your anti migrant racist who women hate, and he is very good as starting by rejecting their framing.

    https://x.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1918242544242016649

    Lots of mainstream politicians seem afraid to challenge the framing. Jenkyns on the other hand isn't good at it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,558
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
    People like @Foxy and @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu and @OnlyLivingBoy and @Roger and the rest, who want more and more immigration, and think multiculturalism is a fantastic success, should count themselves lucky that, as things stand, the popular right opposition is a relatively humane and domesticated beast like Reform

    Nigel Farage is not gonna start shooting boat-people, he's not gonna cancel elections, he won't bring back the noose. Indeed he is criticised by many on the alt.right for being too soft

    There is no law to say Britain is magically immune from much nastier political forces, lile the AfD in Germany

    We should pray that if and when Farage reaches power and succeeds, the boil is lanced, and British democracy endures. Because the alternative will not be a cosy return to the old politics, it will be something darker


    You should pray that if Farage does reach power that he's a lot more competent in government than he looks like being.

    Because if he isn't then there might be an equally large shift to the political left.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2
    Andy_JS said:

    I couldn't be more bored by anything than Harry's grievances.

    If only we just left them alone to live their lives quietly in privacy....

    Has he by any chance got a new book, tv show or podcast coming out?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,833
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC must be bloody sure Nigel isn't going to be next PM because bumping his massive breakthrough moment for an "exclusive" with Prince Harry isn't going to go well at all in Reform world I suspect.

    Stupid decision by the BBC. ITV leading with the elections.
    Reform are never happy are they? Only 3 out of 10 of the electorate for these elections could be bothered to vote in them.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,912
    Have we discussed the exciting Isles of Scilly result? Most seats filled unopposed, but in the one contested seat, the independent beat the candidate with no description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Council_of_the_Isles_of_Scilly_election
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,912

    Andy_JS said:

    I couldn't be more bored by anything than Harry's grievances.

    If only we just left them alone to live their lives quietly in privacy....

    Has he by any chance got a new book, tv show or podcast coming out?
    No, he lost a court case.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,384
    edited May 2

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Reading KL about the Nazi concentration camps. The idea that other ‘races’ were not equal to Germans was one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, and that led to the horrors I send myself to sleep with each night. I’ve not even reached Auschwitz yet and the war has only just got going.
    If you want to understand why people are worried about AfD it might be because they too regard non Germans as not equal to Germans.
    Simply regarding non-Germans as non-German is the thought crime they are accused of.
    That is not what is being reported. For instance https://news.sky.com/story/germanys-far-right-afd-party-officially-classified-as-extremist-organisation-13359754
    Of course @williamglenn is lying again - he's an AfD supporter. Anyone can regard anyone as not German enough for their tastes, if that's what turns them on. What is unconstitutional is to work to undermine democracy. For example, by saying that citizens who don't pass your German purity test shouldn't have any rights.

    But it is a difficult problem - what does a democracy do when a political party seeks to overthrow democracy by getting elected? The German constitution was written with this in mind, but I don't think they've found a solution.

    Trump tried to reverse the previous election and the Republican Party seems to be on board with all kinds of anti-democratic unconstitutional power grabs, but democracy hasn't died in the US, though it's under threat.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2

    Andy_JS said:

    I couldn't be more bored by anything than Harry's grievances.

    If only we just left them alone to live their lives quietly in privacy....

    Has he by any chance got a new book, tv show or podcast coming out?
    No, he lost a court case.
    Are we sure there won't be a Netflix documentary about the court case?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,883

    Reflections on the Shropshire Elections….

    Good day for RefUK, especially in the orbit of the Black Country.

    Cracking day for the LibDems, especially in the Shrewsbury and North Shropshire divisions.

    Not great for Labour, but didn’t have much to lose. A strong personal vote saw them hold my division.

    Extinction level event for the Tories who mainly deserved it. But very happy to see Dan Thomas hold onto the Much Wenlock division as he has been a very effective and helpful councillor.

    Election have consequences and the first is that the Shrewsbury Northern Relief Road is likely dead and buried. Delighted about that.

    What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?

    If you don't want the road investment, I'll happily take it. There's plenty that would improve our infrastructure by building stuff around here.
    Wrong road in the wrong place Barty.
    No such thing.

    Like "wrong housing in the wrong place".

    I find it hard to believe the road won't be used if its built - and I know nothing about the proposed road, just that people do tend to use infrastructure that is built even if people oppose it as its "wrong".
    So, in your world no environmental impact would be sufficiently egregious to prevent a road that would only ultimately create more of the problem it was supposed to solve?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,116
    edited May 2

    Have we discussed the exciting Isles of Scilly result? Most seats filled unopposed, but in the one contested seat, the independent beat the candidate with no description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Council_of_the_Isles_of_Scilly_election

    Re Cornwall, I am VERY happy to report that one of my best friends XXXX XX XXXXXXX - the ex mayor of Truro! - has been retuned once again (3rd time?) as an indy county councillor in Cornwall. He's very popular in his ward, has a massively loyal vote, and he does this by working extremely hard and knowing everyone everywhere, and he charms them

    I've been canvassing with hin, they invite him in for tea, "ah come in my lover". It's lovely to see

    He'd be a great MP for his chunk of Cornwall, he could be a new David Penhaligon, trouble is he's an indy so doesn't have the party system/infra to back him

    Reform have otherwise swept the board in Conwall, destroyed the Tories and Labour. I now expect Reform to win most Cornwall seats in the next GE, with maybe one LD
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,984
    kamski said:

    https://x.com/jdvance/status/1918403354922799463

    The AfD is the most popular party in Germany, and by far the most representative of East Germany. Now the bureaucrats try to destroy it.

    The West tore down the Berlin Wall together. And it has been rebuilt—not by the Soviets or the Russians, but by the German establishment.

    Reading KL about the Nazi concentration camps. The idea that other ‘races’ were not equal to Germans was one of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology, and that led to the horrors I send myself to sleep with each night. I’ve not even reached Auschwitz yet and the war has only just got going.
    If you want to understand why people are worried about AfD it might be because they too regard non Germans as not equal to Germans.
    Simply regarding non-Germans as non-German is the thought crime they are accused of.
    That is not what is being reported. For instance https://news.sky.com/story/germanys-far-right-afd-party-officially-classified-as-extremist-organisation-13359754
    Of course @williamglenn is lying again - he's an AfD supporter. Anyone can regard anyone as not German enough for their tastes, if that's what turns them on. What is unconstitutional is to work to undermine democracy. For example, by saying that citizens who don't pass your German purity test shouldn't have any rights.

    But it is a difficult problem - what does a democracy do when a political party seeks to overthrow democracy by getting elected? The German constitution was written with this in mind, but I don't think they've found a solution.

    Trump tried to reverse the previous election and the Republican Party seems to be on board with all kinds of anti-democratic unconstitutional power grabs, but democracy hasn't died in the US, though it's under threat.
    In a democracy, the make-up of the electorate is a constitutional question. If the state can modify the electorate by importing millions of people and the people whose votes (i.e. political rights) are being diluted are denied any legitimate means of objecting, then you don't have a democratic regime but something else.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,501

    Reflections on the Shropshire Elections….

    Good day for RefUK, especially in the orbit of the Black Country.

    Cracking day for the LibDems, especially in the Shrewsbury and North Shropshire divisions.

    Not great for Labour, but didn’t have much to lose. A strong personal vote saw them hold my division.

    Extinction level event for the Tories who mainly deserved it. But very happy to see Dan Thomas hold onto the Much Wenlock division as he has been a very effective and helpful councillor.

    Election have consequences and the first is that the Shrewsbury Northern Relief Road is likely dead and buried. Delighted about that.

    What kind of NIMBY nonsense is that?

    If you don't want the road investment, I'll happily take it. There's plenty that would improve our infrastructure by building stuff around here.
    Wrong road in the wrong place Barty.
    No such thing.

    Like "wrong housing in the wrong place".

    I find it hard to believe the road won't be used if its built - and I know nothing about the proposed road, just that people do tend to use infrastructure that is built even if people oppose it as its "wrong".
    So, in your world no environmental impact would be sufficiently egregious to prevent a road that would only ultimately create more of the problem it was supposed to solve?
    Pretty much.

    In what way will it supposedly ultimately make "more of the problem"? Is this just a rehash of the BS argument about "induced demand", aka "growth" which apparently everyone supports, except for if it happens near them. And if so, why is this location wrong as opposed to any other?
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,353

    Have we discussed the exciting Isles of Scilly result? Most seats filled unopposed, but in the one contested seat, the independent beat the candidate with no description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Council_of_the_Isles_of_Scilly_election

    I've discovered that I want to be Returning Officer for Isles of Scilly Council.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,540
    What a rude man Curtice is. He's either been infected by Farage or he must have been tired. Academics usually have manners
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,775
    Well it seems that hackers now know how often i buy donuts from the Coop.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,293
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
    People like @Foxy and @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu and @OnlyLivingBoy and @Roger and the rest, who want more and more immigration, and think multiculturalism is a fantastic success, should count themselves lucky that, as things stand, the popular right opposition is a relatively humane and domesticated beast like Reform

    Nigel Farage is not gonna start shooting boat-people, he's not gonna cancel elections, he won't bring back the noose. Indeed he is criticised by many on the alt.right for being too soft

    There is no law to say Britain is magically immune from much nastier political forces, lile the AfD in Germany

    We should pray that if and when Farage reaches power and succeeds, the boil is lanced, and British democracy endures. Because the alternative will not be a cosy return to the old politics, it will be something darker


    You are being unfair to Bart there. Like me he might believe in free movement but that does not mean he necessarily thinks multiculturalism is a success or ever could be.

    Norway has one of the highest immigrant rates for its population of any country in Europe and they make a success of it precisely becuase they don't hold with multiculturalism. If you want to stay and settle in Norway then you become Norwegian. You embrace the language and the culture. It is a system that works and is a very long way from the multiculturalist approach we see in Britain or other parts of Europe. .
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,805
    Roger said:

    What a rude man Curtice is. He's either been infected by Farage or he must have been tired. Academics usually have manners

    He does have a touch of impotent rage about him. Common in academics.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,293

    Well it seems that hackers now know how often i buy donuts from the Coop.

    As long as they don't tell your wife or your doctor you should be fine. ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,743
    edited May 2
    Roger said:

    What a rude man Curtice is. He's either been infected by Farage or he must have been tired. Academics usually have manners

    You clearly don't spend very much time with academics....cranky is default mode, especially if asked dumb questions.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,414
    DM_Andy said:

    Have we discussed the exciting Isles of Scilly result? Most seats filled unopposed, but in the one contested seat, the independent beat the candidate with no description. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Council_of_the_Isles_of_Scilly_election

    I've discovered that I want to be Returning Officer for Isles of Scilly Council.
    The contested election had 86 votes, so could count in 5 minutes and get down the pub.

    The Scillies are lovely, but I think on the smaller islands like St Martins everyone knows everyone, so party tags are pretty redundant.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,984

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    Leon said:

    What a depressing set of election results.

    Lancashire is particularly depressing, Reform taking control and 2nd place seems to be Gaza Independents.

    Urgh.

    What did you honestly expect from endless unfiltered mass immigration, often from cultures alien if not hostile to our values? That immigration which you constantly praise and desire on here?

    You get: politiciams elected for their sectarian ethnic/religiius beliefs by those growing, hostile minorities

    And you get politicians elected by the frightened majority host culture, that sees its nation's ancient identity disappearing, and want this to stop before its too late

    You got exactly what you wished for. And now you whine. Twat
    It is hard to argue against that, for sure
    People like @Foxy and @BartholomewRoberts and @kinabalu and @OnlyLivingBoy and @Roger and the rest, who want more and more immigration, and think multiculturalism is a fantastic success, should count themselves lucky that, as things stand, the popular right opposition is a relatively humane and domesticated beast like Reform

    Nigel Farage is not gonna start shooting boat-people, he's not gonna cancel elections, he won't bring back the noose. Indeed he is criticised by many on the alt.right for being too soft

    There is no law to say Britain is magically immune from much nastier political forces, lile the AfD in Germany

    We should pray that if and when Farage reaches power and succeeds, the boil is lanced, and British democracy endures. Because the alternative will not be a cosy return to the old politics, it will be something darker


    You are being unfair to Bart there. Like me he might believe in free movement but that does not mean he necessarily thinks multiculturalism is a success or ever could be.

    Norway has one of the highest immigrant rates for its population of any country in Europe and they make a success of it precisely becuase they don't hold with multiculturalism. If you want to stay and settle in Norway then you become Norwegian. You embrace the language and the culture. It is a system that works and is a very long way from the multiculturalist approach we see in Britain or other parts of Europe. .
    The Norwegion approach is impossible here because learning the Norwegian language necessarily implies a serious commitment to Norway and its culture, whereas learning the English language is entirely detached from any commitment to Britain.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,003
    Poilievre to run for Alberta seat after MP Damien Kurek agrees to step down

    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7525104
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