Have you ever been in a situation where you are playing poker and one guy is so bad and does so many stupid things it throws you off your game. And suddenly you find yourself losing to this terrible player. Thats Trump.
No.
Yes, the last two companies I worked for have disappeared, as have a lot of non commercial institutions that I used to cover. I am thinking of museums, university departments, various historians and academics and churches. No fuss, no grandstanding, but they have just disappeared over the last six months or so. I miss them.
(Sorry, I have just got in, so forgive me if this has already bee covered, but there was a first class documentaery on BBC2 on Friday night on the decline and fall of Twitter/X. Genuinely fascinating on a number of levels.)
Twitter revenues are down to 2016/7 levels, and about half their peak around 2021.
Every social media site is doomed by Dead Internet Theory, which is now coming true. For example, look at the header above you. Who wrote that? Who liked it? Why did these fucking idiots like it?
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Noticed a couple of houses in the Highlands with a slightly mad solar setup. They've put two steel supports at the northern corners of the house and extended their array from the south facing roof into the air, so it's double the size and across the whole footprint of their house. Heatpumps attached to the supports too.
Looks dreadful tbh. Not sure why it wasn't cheaper to just create a big standalone array in the garden. Something to do with a planning loophole? Gardeners trying to preserve space?
Any sort of solar setup that far north is more than a little mad.
Not really. A 10kW array in Inverness, facing due south and set at a 41° slope angle, will generate over 8,000kWh of electricity.
And if you're not in Inverness but off-grid somewhere in the Highlands at a similar latitude with some battery storage, it makes even more sense.
Have you ever been in a situation where you are playing poker and one guy is so bad and does so many stupid things it throws you off your game. And suddenly you find yourself losing to this terrible player. Thats Trump.
No.
Yes, the last two companies I worked for have disappeared, as have a lot of non commercial institutions that I used to cover. I am thinking of museums, university departments, various historians and academics and churches. No fuss, no grandstanding, but they have just disappeared over the last six months or so. I miss them.
(Sorry, I have just got in, so forgive me if this has already bee covered, but there was a first class documentaery on BBC2 on Friday night on the decline and fall of Twitter/X. Genuinely fascinating on a number of levels.)
Twitter revenues are down to 2016/7 levels, and about half their peak around 2021.
The Twitter documentary is on iplayer:-
Twitter: Breaking the Bird
In 2006, a group of tech entrepreneurs created the revolutionary social media app Twitter. In just a few years, it transformed the way the world communicated. Using first-hand accounts from its founders and early employees, this is the inside story of how Twitter was invented, how it spread across the world through explosive growth, and how difficult it became to control the volume of hate speech and misinformation posted on the platform.
At first, the site grew on the back of celebrities who realised it offered them a direct way to communicate with their fans. After it went global, adopted by democracy activists across the world, it seemed to be fulfilling the founders' dream of a digital utopia where all voices would be heard. But as hate speech and misinformation flooded the platform, Twitter faced growing problems in its attempts to control them. The sale of Twitter to Elon Musk in 2022 represented the final end of the founders’ utopian dream. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029m2t/twitter-breaking-the-bird
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
See also: person x votes for party/cause/candidate y. I dislike party/cause/candidate y. Therefore person x must be stupid or evil or both. Failure of theory of mind.
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Noticed a couple of houses in the Highlands with a slightly mad solar setup. They've put two steel supports at the northern corners of the house and extended their array from the south facing roof into the air, so it's double the size and across the whole footprint of their house. Heatpumps attached to the supports too.
Looks dreadful tbh. Not sure why it wasn't cheaper to just create a big standalone array in the garden. Something to do with a planning loophole? Gardeners trying to preserve space?
Any sort of solar setup that far north is more than a little mad.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Surprised you didn't drop Tesla from the title altogether tbh. Are you 100% focused on Tesla?
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Maybe they need to hide it in a Great Repeal Bill to revert the constitution to how it was in 1997. Abolish everything that came after that, from the OBR to the Sentencing Council to the Triple Lock.
As @rcs1000 pointed out, it's strange how many sex politicians are sexual offenders.
Blackadder: "Now; any history of insanity in the family? Tell you what, I’ll cross out the `in’. Any history of *sanity* in the family? 'None whatsoever’. Now then; criminal record…"
Baldrick: "Absolutely not!"
Blackadder: "Oh, come on, Baldrick, you’re going to be an MP, for God’s sake! I’ll just put 'fraud and sexual deviancy’."
What a shame Marine Le Pens martyrdom rally was a flop !
A poll shows 61% support the Paris Criminal Court decision to bar her from elections for 5 years .
But 39% do not?
Far too early to exult, you ghoulish Marxist pervert
She called a raily in Paris. She got few. But her voters are not the type to go to Paris for rallies
They live elsewhere, and they are angry
Remember the terrible numbers that anti-EU or UKIP rallies achieved in London? - utterly embarrassing. But that was, it turned out, because Leavery, anti-EU people tend to be older, do not live in London, and don't like political rallies per se
Wait for the next French elex
Older people in France are more pro EU and anti Le Pen because they’re not fooled by her efforts to turn herself into Mary Poppins. RN need to move on from Le Pen and need to try and dupe the gullible by getting behind Bardella.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Surprised you didn't drop Tesla from the title altogether tbh. Are you 100% focused on Tesla?
Not 100%, but let’s face it most of the content is me driving the thing. At least now I’m asking the question- should you just get a Tesla? Or are there better alternatives? And then I can look at those as I did recently with Polestar
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
I'm not at all sure I'd put @kinabalu in that category. He strikes me more as well-meaning, quite intelligent, but narrow minded and terminally cautious - intellectually and physically
There ARE these types on PB, they are repulsive, and there are many elsewhere. But I am in a benign mood here in Kazakhstan - the moon is shining on the Tien Shan mountains and the next week promises sun and grandeur - so I shall not name them. Peace to all
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
The problem being that some people will have worked for fifty years on the assumption that national insurance is not applied to pension income and they will be very angry to discover it now does after those who are older than them have not had to pay it.
Better to increase the state pension age and get rid of pension credits (plus associated benefits) instead.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
Have you ever been in a situation where you are playing poker and one guy is so bad and does so many stupid things it throws you off your game. And suddenly you find yourself losing to this terrible player. Thats Trump.
No.
Yes, the last two companies I worked for have disappeared, as have a lot of non commercial institutions that I used to cover. I am thinking of museums, university departments, various historians and academics and churches. No fuss, no grandstanding, but they have just disappeared over the last six months or so. I miss them.
(Sorry, I have just got in, so forgive me if this has already bee covered, but there was a first class documentaery on BBC2 on Friday night on the decline and fall of Twitter/X. Genuinely fascinating on a number of levels.)
Twitter revenues are down to 2016/7 levels, and about half their peak around 2021.
The Twitter documentary is on iplayer:-
Twitter: Breaking the Bird
In 2006, a group of tech entrepreneurs created the revolutionary social media app Twitter. In just a few years, it transformed the way the world communicated. Using first-hand accounts from its founders and early employees, this is the inside story of how Twitter was invented, how it spread across the world through explosive growth, and how difficult it became to control the volume of hate speech and misinformation posted on the platform.
At first, the site grew on the back of celebrities who realised it offered them a direct way to communicate with their fans. After it went global, adopted by democracy activists across the world, it seemed to be fulfilling the founders' dream of a digital utopia where all voices would be heard. But as hate speech and misinformation flooded the platform, Twitter faced growing problems in its attempts to control them. The sale of Twitter to Elon Musk in 2022 represented the final end of the founders’ utopian dream. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029m2t/twitter-breaking-the-bird
It was pretty interesting. One thing I took from it was the idea that chaotic, mostly leaderless Twitter was involved on some deep state plot to silence the Right in the form of Trump was complete bollox. But angrily self pitying conspiracy theorists gotta theorise.
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
It might be fair but is not quite simple because it would break the link between NI and qualification for the state pension. It is doable but would need some thinking about unless HMG is happy for everyone to qualify.
Which it might be. Another pension loophole was mentioned the other day. The facility to pay additional NICs in order to qualify for a state pension is not restricted to those living here. Anyone who has worked here for three years before returning home can do this.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
It's been a criminal offence for ever (essentially), because inciting any crime used to be prosecuted under common law. AI can find me examples back to the 15th Century, but I guess similar laws have been around back to antiquity.
For any PBers who were planning on building a clothing factory in the USA to benefit from the end of cheap imports:
Howard Lutnick is next asked during his interview with CBS News - the BBC's US partner - if the 10% "baseline" tariff on all countries is permanent.
Lutnick does not answer the question directly, saying Trump will "protect the companies that invest here".
Pressed again on this point, Lutnik says "they are definitely going to stay in place for days and weeks", adding that the president "needs to reset global trade".
Days and weeks.
Every business will put potential investment plans on hold.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
I'm not at all sure I'd put @kinabalu in that category. He strikes me more as well-meaning, quite intelligent, but narrow minded and terminally cautious - intellectually and physically
There ARE these types on PB, they are repulsive, and there are many elsewhere. But I am in a benign mood here in Kazakhstan - the moon is shining on the Tien Shan mountains and the next week promises sun and grandeur - so I shall not name them. Peace to all
Well I don't believe anyone had "Bogota" down in the Leon's new name sweepstake.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
The problem being that some people will have worked for fifty years on the assumption that national insurance is not applied to pension income and they will be very angry to discover it now does after those who are older than them have not had to pay it.
Better to increase the state pension age and get rid of pension credits (plus associated benefits) instead.
This has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted. Pension Credit is payable to individuals whose total retirement income is less than £227 pw (£346 pw for couples). Some of those may have zero income without PC. And before you ask, no, there are no longer any workhouses.
And as for your other point: for anyone who has assumed for 50 years that tax rates and scope will remain unchanged, I have a bridge to sell them.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
It's been a criminal offence for ever (essentially), because inciting any crime used to be prosecuted under common law. AI can find me examples back to the 15th Century, but I guess similar laws have been around back to antiquity.
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Politically, I think the triple lock stays, unless the IMF tell Britain to get rid of it. Too many millions of people who will be told, repeatedly, by slogans on the side of the bus, how many £s they have personally lost if it goes.
Given that it will be a crisis that will see the triple lock go, what we will also most likely see is an actual nominal cut to the rate that is paid, because in a crisis the government will need to cut outgoings right now, not just projected increases in outgoings over a 20-year time period.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Surprised you didn't just add a question mark to the original title, or does youtube not allow that?
Refilling the Aral Sea is one of those raising the Titanic dreams that some billionaire oligarch must surely be poised to try. There’s been a little success raising levels but nothing dramatic.
Sadly, unlike for Lake Chad (which filled this summer and should continue to recover long term) I think climate change makes this harder. The Sahel should get wetter more than it gets hotter in the next few decades, whereas Central Asian rainfall will stay similar on average but heat and evaporation will continue to increase.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Sorry, but if your criminality, and there is clear incitement in that speech, is in any way associated with riot you get the book thrown at you, whether you are strolling out with a bottle of water or casually encouraging people to set fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
The message to other nations seems to be variable and unclear, so if they do have a plan for this it seems unlikely to work out as others cannot figure out what might stop the punishment beatings.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
How is Vietnam “cheating”? They make stuff America wants to buy at a price Americans can afford to pay. Vietnam can’t buy the same value back from America because Vietnam makes fucktons of stuff for America at a price which means their own economy can’t afford American stuff.
I keep asking how the common clay of the new west can be this stupid. Then I remember: morons
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
It might be fair but is not quite simple because it would break the link between NI and qualification for the state pension. It is doable but would need some thinking about unless HMG is happy for everyone to qualify.
Which it might be. Another pension loophole was mentioned the other day. The facility to pay additional NICs in order to qualify for a state pension is not restricted to those living here. Anyone who has worked here for three years before returning home can do this.
No it wouldn't break that link, all those who pay NI could gain qualifying years.
Removing NI or rolling it into ICT would break the link but I have a hunch that even the Oxbridge Firsts at the Treasury might work out that it's possible to start counting years in which a person pays ICT as 'qualifying years' in future.
Given the history of economic mismanagement by authoritarian dictatorships, "likely" is a bit optimistic. There are plenty further ways that he could screw up the economy given that his primary concerns are (1) remaining in power, and, (2) looting as much money for himself personally as possible.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
How does a relatively poor country such as Vietnam create sufficient domestic demand to consume as many American goods as they export to the US? It is simply nuts. Maybe, in another 20 years, the standard of living of Vietnam might allow that to happen but right now it is a source of cheap labour for the US economy that keeps the cost of basic goods such as clothing and shoes down. Its really got almost nothing to do with tariffs and everything to do with the relative standard of living of the 2 countries.
These people simply have no understanding of economics, international trade, consumption, pretty much anything in fact. They are simply mad.
What a shame Marine Le Pens martyrdom rally was a flop !
A poll shows 61% support the Paris Criminal Court decision to bar her from elections for 5 years .
But 39% do not?
Far too early to exult, you ghoulish Marxist pervert
She called a raily in Paris. She got few. But her voters are not the type to go to Paris for rallies
They live elsewhere, and they are angry
Remember the terrible numbers that anti-EU or UKIP rallies achieved in London? - utterly embarrassing. But that was, it turned out, because Leavery, anti-EU people tend to be older, do not live in London, and don't like political rallies per se
Wait for the next French elex
The usual immoderate hyperbole from the usual suspect here. "A wish is not a claim upon reality".
Le Pen has been found guilty in a court of law - not a kangaroo court Trump style, not the "court of public opinion", an actual court of law after a fair trial. She is guilty beyond reasonable doubt of very serious offences.
Because Leon approves of her extreme right politics he thinks she should face only very limited punishment.
A five year election ban seems in fact fairly moderate, given the nature of the offences- and please remember Le Pen´s party has previously openly received money and support from Putin, in a way that Farage would not dare to, so arguably there is more beyond. For example, the Gilets Jeunes were organised and directed by pro Russian elements, but forceful action seems to have addressed that problem.
The enemy of democracy is not the rule of law, it is those convicted of subversion in an open court after due process and a fair trial- after Trump, should we now not take this lesson to heart?
Or is the far right now so raddled and decadent that they can no longer tell truth from lies or right from wrong?
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Surprised you didn't just add a question mark to the original title, or does youtube not allow that?
It does, but it doesn’t work particularly well. I’ve literally tried that in a few videos - adding the question mark in the opening and closing words.
The Tesla Question (which is “Just Get A Tesla?”) lets me pose a question on each video for as long as I can be bothered or remember. And can talk about Elon being a cock without being accused of being a fanboi
Noticed a couple of houses in the Highlands with a slightly mad solar setup. They've put two steel supports at the northern corners of the house and extended their array from the south facing roof into the air, so it's double the size and across the whole footprint of their house. Heatpumps attached to the supports too.
Looks dreadful tbh. Not sure why it wasn't cheaper to just create a big standalone array in the garden. Something to do with a planning loophole? Gardeners trying to preserve space?
Any sort of solar setup that far north is more than a little mad.
Why?
To expand on this - a solar panel in my hometown would generate 90% of the energy of one in central London. In the north of Scotland, 3/4 of homes are not on the gas grid, so require heating oil or electricity.
Approx. 50%* of non-gas properties this bit of Scotland are heated by electricity, which explains the mass proliferation of solar panels in an attempt to keep costs down. Heating oil costs also went through the roof (geddit) during the Ukraine invasion.
*Much higher than non-gas properties in England and Wales, oddly enough.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Sorry, but if your criminality, and there is clear incitement in that speech, is in any way associated with riot you get the book thrown at you, whether you are strolling out with a bottle of water or casually encouraging people to set fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Sorry, but if your criminality, and there is clear incitement in that speech, is in any way associated with riot you get the book thrown at you, whether you are strolling out with a bottle of water or casually encouraging people to set fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. It wasn't gang related. The arrestee is a 20 year old white lad whose profiles appear to indicate he is of South African origin.
Twitter spun this in the gap before information was released as a Kurdish accused and "when will we defend our people". Why should those knowingly spouting poisonous bullshit to invite race war on streets I walk be treated lightly. They are enemies of democracy and this state and in a world of Trump are not to be tolerated at any level. And, yes, it's only fucking speech, but no, just no.
Throw the fucking book at them. Rub their noses in it as they sniff out the faecal smells of two tier justice. And worse. They are below scum.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
Navarro has delusions that’s he’s some expert on tariffs .
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
Given the history of economic mismanagement by authoritarian dictatorships, "likely" is a bit optimistic. There are plenty further ways that he could screw up the economy given that his primary concerns are (1) remaining in power, and, (2) looting as much money for himself personally as possible.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Surprised you didn't drop Tesla from the title altogether tbh. Are you 100% focused on Tesla?
Not 100%, but let’s face it most of the content is me driving the thing. At least now I’m asking the question- should you just get a Tesla? Or are there better alternatives? And then I can look at those as I did recently with Polestar
Reminds me of how my old venture shooting QVC ads for a jewellery brand came to a sudden end.
With hindsight maybe going all-in on market-leaders Ratner was a mistake?
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
How is Vietnam “cheating”? They make stuff America wants to buy at a price Americans can afford to pay. Vietnam can’t buy the same value back from America because Vietnam makes fucktons of stuff for America at a price which means their own economy can’t afford American stuff.
I keep asking how the common clay of the new west can be this stupid. Then I remember: morons
Not entirely stupid- after all, American dominance was built on being the only place that could make stuff... As was British dominance before that.
It's a pretty peachy niche to occupy, so it's not surprising that America wants to regain that. The only stupid is in not recognising that the consequences of remaking the world that way will be pretty horrible for everyone.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
You must drink in some really shit pubs if that's what the chat's like.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
You must drink in some really shit pubs if that's what the chat's like.
If you don’t believe those pubs exist then I’d suggest you head for some of the rougher areas of our towns and cities.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Surprised you didn't drop Tesla from the title altogether tbh. Are you 100% focused on Tesla?
Not 100%, but let’s face it most of the content is me driving the thing. At least now I’m asking the question- should you just get a Tesla? Or are there better alternatives? And then I can look at those as I did recently with Polestar
Reminds me of how my old venture shooting QVC ads for a jewellery brand came to a sudden end.
With hindsight maybe going all-in on market-leaders Ratner was a mistake?
Exactly - I needed to decouple. Problem is that as I can’t shoot loads of content on cars I don’t have access to, it’s predominantly Tesla. And with respect the current Muskolini mania, it will evolve again and the world will move on.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Politically, I think the triple lock stays, unless the IMF tell Britain to get rid of it. Too many millions of people who will be told, repeatedly, by slogans on the side of the bus, how many £s they have personally lost if it goes.
Given that it will be a crisis that will see the triple lock go, what we will also most likely see is an actual nominal cut to the rate that is paid, because in a crisis the government will need to cut outgoings right now, not just projected increases in outgoings over a 20-year time period.
I disagree on the bus slogans problem.
Removing the triple lock will have little or no impact in the short/medium term. You just link it to earnings and you may well find that's the highest of the three anyway, if immigration continues to fall.
What it does solve is the long term issue of it growing massively over 50+ years. It also helps Labour and future governments if Trump invades Canada etc and they are confronted with the problem of breaking the lock during an inflationary crisis.
And remember - the value of the triple lock grows more the younger you are. Removing it isn't an attack on current pensioners - this is an attack on my generation. A cost I will bear graciously, as long as PB oldies agree to do something about climate change.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
People talk in their friendship bubbles. Not unlike the broadly centrist dad culture on pb. I am not defending the rather stupid and undoubtedly racist woman who has been rather harshly dealt with. I am suggesting why people are upset at the harshness.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
Equally though, if you went to your town centre and started shouting it out loud at all the random passers-by on a random Tuesday afternoon as they went about their daily business, I think you'd find there were consequences to that too, so not sure "stuff's different on social media" is completely the picture there.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
You must drink in some really shit pubs if that's what the chat's like.
If you don’t believe those pubs exist then I’d suggest you head for some of the rougher areas of our towns and cities.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
Equally though, if you went to your town centre and started shouting it out loud at all the random passers-by on a random Tuesday afternoon as they went about their daily business, I think you'd find there were consequences to that too, so not sure "stuff's different on social media" is completely the picture there.
People think their socials are their friends though, in the main. Yes if it’s the local Spotted in x Facebook then it’s a bit different.
Given the history of economic mismanagement by authoritarian dictatorships, "likely" is a bit optimistic. There are plenty further ways that he could screw up the economy given that his primary concerns are (1) remaining in power, and, (2) looting as much money for himself personally as possible.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
You must drink in some really shit pubs if that's what the chat's like.
If you don’t believe those pubs exist then I’d suggest you head for some of the rougher areas of our towns and cities.
Eh? Where did I say those pubs don't exist?
Nowhere, but I also wasn’t suggesting I drink in said pubs.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
Given the history of economic mismanagement by authoritarian dictatorships, "likely" is a bit optimistic. There are plenty further ways that he could screw up the economy given that his primary concerns are (1) remaining in power, and, (2) looting as much money for himself personally as possible.
How long do republicans tolerate this.
Those who were interested in resisting gave up or were beat down long ago. All those remaining are in it for life. You might get 1-2 in the House suggesting some mistakes, and probably criticising the King's advisers rather than the king himself, but that's it.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
The failure to respond to the outbreaks (admittedly caused by poor vaccination in recent times) with a mass vaccination program is very much at his door as is the sacking of many people who might have been involved in the delivery of such a program.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
Navarro has delusions that’s he’s some expert on tariffs .
All Trump's "tariff experts" are the world's finest at moon-howling.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
If I heard it I'd call the police.
For real? Blimey.
and why not? For god sake, there are too many people in this country who get away with blue murder. It only takes one to build it up for thick, stupid people in the pub. They say things then wash their hands of any culpability.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Sorry, but if your criminality, and there is clear incitement in that speech, is in any way associated with riot you get the book thrown at you, whether you are strolling out with a bottle of water or casually encouraging people to set fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
I have no idea what EDOTING means.
I lost the ability to efficiently scroll to the bottom of the comment to add more whilst posting.
So I posted the comment then set about EDITING in vf, with a misspelled placeholder.
I then overran the 6 minutes editing time, so had to copy and paste into a separate post.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Sorry, but if your criminality, and there is clear incitement in that speech, is in any way associated with riot you get the book thrown at you, whether you are strolling out with a bottle of water or casually encouraging people to set fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
I have no idea what EDOTING means.
I lost the ability to efficiently scroll to the bottom of the comment to add more whilst posting.
So I posted the comment then set about EDITING in vf, with a misspelled placeholder.
I then overran the 6 minutes editing time, so had to copy and paste into a separate post.
All whilst going on a (imo merited) rant.
But, yes, not a neatly published comment there!
Aha! I thought it was an unknown category of right wing racist or something! You can imagine my contortions (English Defence Or Terrorist In New Guise?)
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Politically, I think the triple lock stays, unless the IMF tell Britain to get rid of it. Too many millions of people who will be told, repeatedly, by slogans on the side of the bus, how many £s they have personally lost if it goes.
Given that it will be a crisis that will see the triple lock go, what we will also most likely see is an actual nominal cut to the rate that is paid, because in a crisis the government will need to cut outgoings right now, not just projected increases in outgoings over a 20-year time period.
I disagree on the bus slogans problem.
Removing the triple lock will have little or no impact in the short/medium term. You just link it to earnings and you may well find that's the highest of the three anyway, if immigration continues to fall.
What it does solve is the long term issue of it growing massively over 50+ years. It also helps Labour and future governments if Trump invades Canada etc and they are confronted with the problem of breaking the lock during an inflationary crisis.
And remember - the value of the triple lock grows more the younger you are. Removing it isn't an attack on current pensioners - this is an attack on my generation. A cost I will bear graciously, as long as PB oldies agree to do something about climate change.
Furthermore the Triple Lock must be abandoned sooner or later or pensions will eventually engulf the whole economy.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
You must drink in some really shit pubs if that's what the chat's like.
If you don’t believe those pubs exist then I’d suggest you head for some of the rougher areas of our towns and cities.
I stay in one of the most deprived council wards in the UK and I've never heard anything like that in the 30+ years I've lived here.
Maybe I need to hang out with the middle-classes more.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
If I heard it I'd call the police.
For real? Blimey.
and why not? For god sake, there are too many people in this country who get away with blue murder. It only takes one to build it up for thick, stupid people in the pub. They say things then wash their hands of any culpability.
I don't think you can treat pub talk among friends in the same way as a tweet broadcast to and read by thousands of people, given that the latter has a far higher chance of inciting actual violence. The size and impressionability of the audience has got to be a factor.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
If I heard it I'd call the police.
I wouldn't. But that's because the chance of some idiot overhearing and actually setting fire to asylum seekers based on such drunken ramblings is vanishingly small.
The problem with social media is your post can end up with millions of views (as one of my mine did, ruining my life for a week), and the 1% of the population who might actually do something stops being one weirdo at the bar but rather 400,000 people riling each other up.
Advocating violence on public social media is much, much worse than in a pub, imo.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Its interesting you have become much more anti immigration recently. Cant help but think this is related to the massive demographic change at your daughters school.
Mm. This isn't really an immigration post - I'm expressing discomfort at the eagerness of the state to criminalise speech of any sort. Including, note, speech I disagree with.
And I've always been pretty sceptical of a) the economic arguments for immigration, which I don't think stack up, and b) the principle of multiculturalism. This isn't a new thing! That said, I'm also very positive about the impact of certain immigrants eg many of the HK immigrants, who are generally highly skilled, Anglophone, and quick to integrate. So it's not a black and white issue.
That said, you are right in the respect that I have noticed previously impeccably Guardianista individuals at the school gate start to express a lot more reservations now the impacts are much closer to home!
Your Guardianista fellow parents are wankers. Sorry, but it is true. I despise them
The inability to see the terrible downsides of mass immigration for OTHERS in Britain (usually poorer, less well educated, less mobile) is a basic failure of Theory of Mind, common in the autistic or the dogmatic; they cannot think themselves into other people's lives or they cannot see beyond their own perceived virtue
Until it hits them for real, and in person
Fools and knaves, the lot of them. They are why Europe is headed for a grimly Hard Right future, whatever Trump does
I actually think they get a secret thrill from poor peoples lives being made worse by mass immigration. Cruelty combined with virtue signalling is an unbeatable combination. The kinabalu types.
Sorry, but if your criminality, and there is clear incitement in that speech, is in any way associated with riot you get the book thrown at you, whether you are strolling out with a bottle of water or casually encouraging people to set fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
I have no idea what EDOTING means.
I lost the ability to efficiently scroll to the bottom of the comment to add more whilst posting.
So I posted the comment then set about EDITING in vf, with a misspelled placeholder.
I then overran the 6 minutes editing time, so had to copy and paste into a separate post.
All whilst going on a (imo merited) rant.
But, yes, not a neatly published comment there!
Aha! I thought it was an unknown category of right wing racist or something! You can imagine my contortions (English Defence Or Terrorist In New Guise?)
I think people forget that social media is open for all to see, so thing that used to be said in closed groups of friends (with the associates groans) now gets broadcast far and wide meaning what was once a controversial statement is now incitement due to it's far wider reach. It's something that we often forget if we only see our little bubble on social media.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
I wonder if Jewish places of worship were being attacked by mobs, would ‘Set fire to all of the fucking synagogues full of the bastards...’ be counted as twitter banter?
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
It might be fair but is not quite simple because it would break the link between NI and qualification for the state pension. It is doable but would need some thinking about unless HMG is happy for everyone to qualify.
Which it might be. Another pension loophole was mentioned the other day. The facility to pay additional NICs in order to qualify for a state pension is not restricted to those living here. Anyone who has worked here for three years before returning home can do this.
No it wouldn't break that link, all those who pay NI could gain qualifying years.
Removing NI or rolling it into ICT would break the link but I have a hunch that even the Oxbridge Firsts at the Treasury might work out that it's possible to start counting years in which a person pays ICT as 'qualifying years' in future.
Yes but if people receiving the state pension are paying NI on it, what will that be qualifying them for? As I said, breaking the link is doable but will need some thought.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
If I heard it I'd call the police.
For real? Blimey.
and why not? For god sake, there are too many people in this country who get away with blue murder. It only takes one to build it up for thick, stupid people in the pub. They say things then wash their hands of any culpability.
I don't think you can treat pub talk among friends in the same way as a tweet broadcast to and read by thousands of people, given that the latter has a far higher chance of inciting actual violence.
I wouldn't take the chance. Vermin like that spread foul poison.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
Whitehall source tells S Times that there are two options for further dramatic cuts in welfare budget (which might be needed thanks to Trumpski).
One is means testing the disability benefit, PIP.
The other is looking again at the Triple Lock for pensioners.
The latter, the source says, no one would go near.
Madness. Just madness. Will no one grasp this nettle?
Breaking the triple lock will save no money in the short term. Ending higher rate tax relief on contributions will save a ton of money every month right from day one, but this perk favours the well-paid like MPs, newspaper columnists and, dare I say, PBers, so no-one calls for it.
Making NI payable on unearned and pension income would be the simplest, fairest way to raise extra funds.
It might be fair but is not quite simple because it would break the link between NI and qualification for the state pension. It is doable but would need some thinking about unless HMG is happy for everyone to qualify.
Which it might be. Another pension loophole was mentioned the other day. The facility to pay additional NICs in order to qualify for a state pension is not restricted to those living here. Anyone who has worked here for three years before returning home can do this.
No it wouldn't break that link, all those who pay NI could gain qualifying years.
Removing NI or rolling it into ICT would break the link but I have a hunch that even the Oxbridge Firsts at the Treasury might work out that it's possible to start counting years in which a person pays ICT as 'qualifying years' in future.
Yes but if people receiving the state pension are paying NI on it, what will that be qualifying them for? As I said, breaking the link is doable but will need some thought.
It won't be qualifying them for anything, any more than those working and paying NI who already have the full 35 qualifying years - their NI qualifies them for nothing extra.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
I wonder if Jewish places of worship were being attacked by mobs, would ‘Set fire to all of the fucking synagogues full of the bastards...’ be counted as twitter banter?
I'm not sure of your point. But no, I'd expect the law to intervene.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Linky? When I search for the title on YT I just get lots of weird alt-right videos. I hate to think what my 'Recommended for you' will be like in an hour or so...
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
It’s the kind a chat that you would have down the pub with no consequence,* but people have failed to notice how the world has changed. You cannot post anything on socials with no consequence. There are certainly concerns that person x gets the book thrown at them and person y does not, but theme the breaks.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
If one was to have that chat in a pub and some people took great offence to it, it would cause a fight or riot. Id that ok for you?
And if it was overheard by a copper, I would expect them to take action. If not it would be dereliction of duty.
Really? In a pub on a Friday night? I think that’s massively overstating the case.
If I heard it I'd call the police.
I wouldn't. But that's because the chance of some idiot overhearing and actually setting fire to asylum seekers based on such drunken ramblings is vanishingly small.
The problem with social media is your post can end up with millions of views (as one of my mine did, ruining my life for a week), and the 1% of the population who might actually do something stops being one weirdo at the bar but rather 400,000 people riling each other up.
Advocating violence on public social media is much, much worse than in a pub, imo.
Maybe you're right. Sorry to hear about your prob though.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
To an extent but people also need to do their own research. Perhaps ask a health care professional?
Extra bit - would you trust ANYTHING a U.K. minister advocated on health without checking?
I don't think it's fair to criticise people for believing in health advice from the Secretary of Health of their nation. It is fair to criticise that Secretary of Health for spreading harmful lies.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
Navarro has delusions that’s he’s some expert on tariffs .
All Trump's "tariff experts" are the world's finest at moon-howling.
If they want to start Vietnam War II, “this time it’s economic” they may find the long term outcome is not dissimilar from the last one.
The report says she deleted the tweet that got her in trouble within 4hrs. I wonder if all the others that were deemed racist were sent around the same time and also deleted, or was this a prolonged behaviour?
A couple of us have linked it. The main one mentioned:
At 8.30pm on the 29th July of this year you used the social media platform, then known as Twitter, to publish the following:
“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”
When you published those words you were well aware of how volatile the situation was. As everyone is aware, that volatility led to serious disorder in a number of areas of the country where mindless violence was used to cause injury and damage to wholly innocent members of the public and to their properties. ... Your message was widely read – it was viewed 310,000 times with 940 reposts, 58 quotes and 113 bookmarks.
That's it? She was jailed for two years for that? I've seen Palestinian activists make rather more incendiary comments about Jews without similar repurcussions.
Your regular reminder that free speech also includes free speech we disapprove of.
You are free to report said Palestinian activists to the police, if you should so wish. That others get away with crimes is not a reason to go lightly on those who were caught.
And, no, she has been jailed for one year (40% of 31 months).
You're missing half the point. Free speech means things we defend the right of people to say things we don't like. I no more want to see angry lefties jailed for spouting shite than angry righties. The inconsistency is annoying, but nit as annoying as the general principle.
Incitement to violence has been a criminal offence since the 1986 Public Order Act. Are you saying you'd like to see that law repealed?
No, I just don't see either the woman's tweet or the equivalents from angry anti-Israel activists meets the bar of incitement to violence.
"Set fire to all of the fucking hotels full of the bastards....", she wrote.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
I wonder if Jewish places of worship were being attacked by mobs, would ‘Set fire to all of the fucking synagogues full of the bastards...’ be counted as twitter banter?
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
Navarro has delusions that’s he’s some expert on tariffs .
All Trump's "tariff experts" are the world's finest at moon-howling.
If they want to start Vietnam War II, “this time it’s economic” they may find the long term outcome is not dissimilar from the last one.
The cheap goods will keep coming so they'll resort to bombing the factories?
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
To an extent but people also need to do their own research. Perhaps ask a health care professional?
Extra bit - would you trust ANYTHING a U.K. minister advocated on health without checking?
I don't think it's fair to criticise people for believing in health advice from the Secretary of Health of their nation. It is fair to criticise that Secretary of Health for spreading harmful lies.
As do I. He is an idiot who doesn’t understand science.
For context though we saw lots of people not believing what our elected officials said during covid, for instance (often with good reason).
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
Navarro has delusions that’s he’s some expert on tariffs .
All Trump's "tariff experts" are the world's finest at moon-howling.
If they want to start Vietnam War II, “this time it’s economic” they may find the long term outcome is not dissimilar from the last one.
The cheap goods will keep coming so they'll resort to bombing the factories?
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
After two and half years and 200 videos my YouTube channel name change has gone live. I’m leaving the @justgetatesla URL in place briefly whilst I sort out email addresses and things, but as of now the channel is The Tesla Question.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Linky? When I search for the title on YT I just get lots of weird alt-right videos. I hate to think what my 'Recommended for you' will be like in an hour or so...
Name change has been live for about an hour. And still using the old url YouTube.com/@justgetatesla
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
To an extent but people also need to do their own research. Perhaps ask a health care professional?
Extra bit - would you trust ANYTHING a U.K. minister advocated on health without checking?
I don't think it's fair to criticise people for believing in health advice from the Secretary of Health of their nation. It is fair to criticise that Secretary of Health for spreading harmful lies.
As do I. He is an idiot who doesn’t understand science.
For context though we saw lots of people not believing what our elected officials said during covid, for instance (often with good reason).
I'm lost what point you are trying to make. But, even if we can't agree on RFK Jr's exact degree of culpability, I'm glad we agree that he is at least somewhat culpable for causing harm to people now overdosing on vitamin A and for failing to contain a measles outbreak that has killed 3.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
RFK should really be locked up for criminal negligence. That is just awful.
He has been in post since Jan. These kids will have been unvaccinated for a lot longer than that and often for stupid sky fairy reasons. There’s a lot to lay at his door, but these deaths are probably not the thing, unless they contracted it at an RFK themed measles party.
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QED
They will all soon expire
And if you're not in Inverness but off-grid somewhere in the Highlands at a similar latitude with some battery storage, it makes even more sense.
Twitter: Breaking the Bird
In 2006, a group of tech entrepreneurs created the revolutionary social media app Twitter. In just a few years, it transformed the way the world communicated. Using first-hand accounts from its founders and early employees, this is the inside story of how Twitter was invented, how it spread across the world through explosive growth, and how difficult it became to control the volume of hate speech and misinformation posted on the platform.
At first, the site grew on the back of celebrities who realised it offered them a direct way to communicate with their fans. After it went global, adopted by democracy activists across the world, it seemed to be fulfilling the founders' dream of a digital utopia where all voices would be heard. But as hate speech and misinformation flooded the platform, Twitter faced growing problems in its attempts to control them. The sale of Twitter to Elon Musk in 2022 represented the final end of the founders’ utopian dream.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029m2t/twitter-breaking-the-bird
Failure of theory of mind.
Hopefully the rebrand goes better than Royal Mail to Consignia
Baldrick: "Absolutely not!"
Blackadder: "Oh, come on, Baldrick, you’re going to be an MP, for God’s sake! I’ll just put 'fraud and sexual deviancy’."
There ARE these types on PB, they are repulsive, and there are many elsewhere. But I am in a benign mood here in Kazakhstan - the moon is shining on the Tien Shan mountains and the next week promises sun and grandeur - so I shall not name them. Peace to all
Better to increase the state pension age and get rid of pension credits (plus associated benefits) instead.
Did you know that Prue Leith has been travelling through Central Asia before you had done so ?
https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/asia-travel/uzbekistan/three-week-tour-prue-leith-chef-restaurateur-t3zvqxpdf
But angrily self pitying conspiracy theorists gotta theorise.
Which it might be. Another pension loophole was mentioned the other day. The facility to pay additional NICs in order to qualify for a state pension is not restricted to those living here. Anyone who has worked here for three years before returning home can do this.
Bizarre loophole lets foreign residents claim full UK state pension
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/state-pensions/bizarre-loophole-lets-foreign-residents-claim-uk-pension/ (£££)
I am not a lawyer.
Howard Lutnick is next asked during his interview with CBS News - the BBC's US partner - if the 10% "baseline" tariff on all countries is permanent.
Lutnick does not answer the question directly, saying Trump will "protect the companies that invest here".
Pressed again on this point, Lutnik says "they are definitely going to stay in place for days and weeks", adding that the president "needs to reset global trade".
Days and weeks.
Every business will put potential investment plans on hold.
Good effort.
Peter Navarro responds to Vietnam’s offer to remove all tariffs: “This is not a negotiation. This is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that’s gotten out of control because of cheating,” Trump’s trade adviser says on @SundayFutures. “Don’t say you want to lower the tariffs and be done with it. It’s the non-tariff cheating. Stop manipulating your currencies. Stop dumping stuff in.”
And as for your other point: for anyone who has assumed for 50 years that tax rates and scope will remain unchanged, I have a bridge to sell them.
Given that it will be a crisis that will see the triple lock go, what we will also most likely see is an actual nominal cut to the rate that is paid, because in a crisis the government will need to cut outgoings right now, not just projected increases in outgoings over a 20-year time period.
Sadly, unlike for Lake Chad (which filled this summer and should continue to recover long term) I think climate change makes this harder. The Sahel should get wetter more than it gets hotter in the next few decades, whereas Central Asian rainfall will stay similar on average but heat and evaporation will continue to increase.
fire of hotels full of immigrants. It was true in 2010 as it was in 2024, because we cannot tolerate riot becoming normalized in an area.
And they are still at it. This week in Huddersfield a 16 year old lad of Syrian origin 16 died having had his neck slit on a town centre thoroughfare in broad daylight. The arrestee was a EDOTING
I keep asking how the common clay of the new west can be this stupid. Then I remember: morons
Removing NI or rolling it into ICT would break the link but I have a hunch that even the Oxbridge Firsts at the Treasury might work out that it's possible to start counting years in which a person pays ICT as 'qualifying years' in future.
These people simply have no understanding of economics, international trade, consumption, pretty much anything in fact. They are simply mad.
Le Pen has been found guilty in a court of law - not a kangaroo court Trump style, not the "court of public opinion", an actual court of law after a fair trial. She is guilty beyond reasonable doubt of very serious offences.
Because Leon approves of her extreme right politics he thinks she should face only very limited punishment.
A five year election ban seems in fact fairly moderate, given the nature of the offences- and please remember Le Pen´s party has previously openly received money and support from Putin, in a way that Farage would not dare to, so arguably there is more beyond. For example, the Gilets Jeunes were organised and directed by pro Russian elements, but forceful action seems to have addressed that problem.
The enemy of democracy is not the rule of law, it is those convicted of subversion in an open court after due process and a fair trial- after Trump, should we now not take this lesson to heart?
Or is the far right now so raddled and decadent that they can no longer tell truth from lies or right from wrong?
The Tesla Question (which is “Just Get A Tesla?”) lets me pose a question on each video for as long as I can be bothered or remember. And can talk about Elon being a cock without being accused of being a fanboi
Approx. 50%* of non-gas properties this bit of Scotland are heated by electricity, which explains the mass proliferation of solar panels in an attempt to keep costs down. Heating oil costs also went through the roof (geddit) during the Ukraine invasion.
*Much higher than non-gas properties in England and Wales, oddly enough.
Twitter spun this in the gap before information was released as a Kurdish accused and "when will we defend our people". Why should those knowingly spouting poisonous bullshit to invite race war on streets I walk be treated lightly. They are enemies of democracy and this state and in a world of Trump are not to be tolerated at any level. And, yes, it's only fucking speech, but no, just no.
Throw the fucking book at them. Rub their noses in it as they sniff out the faecal smells of two tier justice. And worse. They are below scum.
You must have a very high bar for incitement to violence.
*I wouldn’t be making those remarks, to be clear.
With hindsight maybe going all-in on market-leaders Ratner was a mistake?
It's a pretty peachy niche to occupy, so it's not surprising that America wants to regain that. The only stupid is in not recognising that the consequences of remaking the world that way will be pretty horrible for everyone.
Removing the triple lock will have little or no impact in the short/medium term. You just link it to earnings and you may well find that's the highest of the three anyway, if immigration continues to fall.
What it does solve is the long term issue of it growing massively over 50+ years. It also helps Labour and future governments if Trump invades Canada etc and they are confronted with the problem of breaking the lock during an inflationary crisis.
And remember - the value of the triple lock grows more the younger you are. Removing it isn't an attack on current pensioners - this is an attack on my generation. A cost I will bear graciously, as long as PB oldies agree to do something about climate change.
A second child has died of measles amid an outbreak in west Texas, sparking a rare rebuke of the Trump administration’s top health officials from a Republican senator on Sunday.
https://bsky.app/profile/washingtonpost.com/post/3lm62afvrm22w
I am not defending the rather stupid and undoubtedly racist woman who has been rather harshly dealt with. I am suggesting why people are upset at the harshness.
So I posted the comment then set about EDITING in vf, with a misspelled placeholder.
I then overran the 6 minutes editing time, so had to copy and paste into a separate post.
All whilst going on a (imo merited) rant.
But, yes, not a neatly published comment there!
Maybe I need to hang out with the middle-classes more.
The problem with social media is your post can end up with millions of views (as one of my mine did, ruining my life for a week), and the 1% of the population who might actually do something stops being one weirdo at the bar but rather 400,000 people riling each other up.
Advocating violence on public social media is much, much worse than in a pub, imo.
NI is just a tax.
Extra bit - would you trust ANYTHING a U.K. minister advocated on health without checking?
For context though we saw lots of people not believing what our elected officials said during covid, for instance (often with good reason).
Thank you.