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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961
    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    I read that Boris Pistorius is the most popular politician in Germany, will he play a major part in a likely coalition?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Looking back Merkel has been a calamity for Germany.

    Im still waiting for her to be outed as a FSB operative
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    To cheer you all up at breakfast time.

    Fox News publishing diatician approved eggless breakfast recipes to give you a good start to the day.

    - Protein-packed breakfast tacos
    - Mini banana pancake bites
    - Eggless banana muffin recipe with flax

    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/dietitian-shares-simple-eggless-breakfast-recipes-egg-prices-soar
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298
    Good morning, everyone.

    Somewhat concerning result from Germany.

    Trust I haven't become radicalised. Yesterday my return to Crusader Kings III as Leon Phokas saw me have an affair with the emperor's wife, then legitimise our bastard daughter.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370
    MattW said:

    To cheer you all up at breakfast time.

    Fox News publishing diatician approved eggless breakfast recipes to give you a good start to the day.

    - Protein-packed breakfast tacos
    - Mini banana pancake bites
    - Eggless banana muffin recipe with flax

    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/dietitian-shares-simple-eggless-breakfast-recipes-egg-prices-soar

    Never knew my bowl of cereal and slice of toast was an "eggless breakfast". You learn something new every day.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,406

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    Yes, it's a theme that I find interesting.

    The political Gender divide amongst the young becomes ever more stark. Germany is the latest to show it.

    I think it explains a lot about declining fertility rates. What young woman wants to have a family with a radicalised product of the #manosphere?

    (Lefty men are in clover though!)

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livrecbjtk2b
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    Good morning, everyone.

    Somewhat concerning result from Germany.

    Trust I haven't become radicalised. Yesterday my return to Crusader Kings III as Leon Phokas saw me have an affair with the emperor's wife, then legitimise our bastard daughter.

    It remains to be seen iMerz can get Germany back to being a serious nation,

    His big disadvantage is he is 69 so looks more like a one term Chancellor when Germany needs a two term chancellor to get it back on its feet.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    I read that Boris Pistorius is the most popular politician in Germany, will he play a major part in a likely coalition?
    Probably
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961
    MattW said:

    To cheer you all up at breakfast time.

    Fox News publishing diatician approved eggless breakfast recipes to give you a good start to the day.

    - Protein-packed breakfast tacos
    - Mini banana pancake bites
    - Eggless banana muffin recipe with flax

    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/dietitian-shares-simple-eggless-breakfast-recipes-egg-prices-soar

    Bit of a wartime vibe there.

    The Reich recommends delicious acorn coffee to start the day!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,406

    Good morning, everyone.

    Somewhat concerning result from Germany.

    Trust I haven't become radicalised. Yesterday my return to Crusader Kings III as Leon Phokas saw me have an affair with the emperor's wife, then legitimise our bastard daughter.

    It remains to be seen iMerz can get Germany back to being a serious nation,

    His big disadvantage is he is 69 so looks more like a one term Chancellor when Germany needs a two term chancellor to get it back on its feet.
    A mere baby compared with the American Gerontocracy!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,835
    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    It is fascinating, and (I suspect) is behind Thiel's comments about how the expansion of the franchise to women has contributed to the "decline of democracy".
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961
    Geographical German political inclinations predate the Iron Curtain.

    https://x.com/jameshawes2/status/1893903890875080809?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    Men have been told they're latent rapists and neatherdals and their only role in future is to act as "allies" in a future which is female, who are both equal and better than them?

    Is it any wonder?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    If this were reversed, there'd be calls for action to support women and, likely, denouncements of an inherently pro-male bias in the system.

    We saw this with book prize competitions. When they were male-dominated, it was a problem to be solved. Now they're even more female-dominated, nobody gives a shit.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    Foxy said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Somewhat concerning result from Germany.

    Trust I haven't become radicalised. Yesterday my return to Crusader Kings III as Leon Phokas saw me have an affair with the emperor's wife, then legitimise our bastard daughter.

    It remains to be seen iMerz can get Germany back to being a serious nation,

    His big disadvantage is he is 69 so looks more like a one term Chancellor when Germany needs a two term chancellor to get it back on its feet.
    A mere baby compared with the American Gerontocracy!
    Of course. But Trump\Biden\Pelosi\McConnell has been a complete screw up for the States

    Maybe Soder will step in to the gap post Merz he's 58. However he'll be facing off to Alice Weidel - 46 - and maybe Heidi Reichinnek - 37 - so maybe the CDU need to skip a generation
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,406

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    I think that's perhaps exaggerating it, but certainly an element of truth. I see the same trend with our medical students.

    I think online gaming radicalised a lot of young men, as well as affecting their concentration. There's pretty good evidence that young women are more harmed by social media, and I think the effect of violent online games on young men needs attention too.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,398

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,835

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    Men have been told they're latent rapists and neatherdals and their only role in future is to act as "allies" in a future which is female, who are both equal and better than them?

    Is it any wonder?
    Unless they watch Andrew Tate, in which case they are told that they should grab any woman they like.

    Or unless they are a member of a protestant evangelical church in the US.

    Or unless they listen to Kendrick or Dr Dre or Drake or Travis Scott or King Von.

    Personally, having teenage kids, I notice no meaningful difference between their upbringing and mine, except alcohol is less available, cannabis more, and the music today involves a lot more swearing.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054
    Countries across the world use more land for golf courses than wind or solar energy

    https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1074494
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,406
    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    It's not that women are scrounging, it's that feckless men have left them literally holding the baby.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707

    MattW said:

    To cheer you all up at breakfast time.

    Fox News publishing diatician approved eggless breakfast recipes to give you a good start to the day.

    - Protein-packed breakfast tacos
    - Mini banana pancake bites
    - Eggless banana muffin recipe with flax

    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/dietitian-shares-simple-eggless-breakfast-recipes-egg-prices-soar

    Bit of a wartime vibe there.

    The Reich recommends delicious acorn coffee to start the day!
    English Breakfast as understood by a foreigner:

    Cornflakes
    Egg on Top
    Tea poured over

    (That may be apocryphal - it was in a comic letters page when I was a youngling.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,080
    @Gerashchenko_en
    Ukraine's allies are arriving in Kyiv on the third anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion.

    President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Council António Costa, PM of Canada Justin Trudeau, PM of Estonia Kristen Michal, PM of Spain Pedro Sánchez, President of Lithuania Gitanas Nausėda and President of Latvia Edgars Rinkēvičs have arrived in Kyiv.

    13 leaders are scheduled to be in Kyiv today, and 24 more will join an online meeting to discuss security guarantees for Ukraine and collective security.

    Thank you for standing with Ukraine!

    https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1893917081952833814
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    That's a much abused graph. But young men tend more radical right and young men more radical left.

    I do wonder if the divide is somewhat contrived. They both have similar interests: mass disillusionment in common and a disengagement with mainstream politics. To the extent that division has arisen it's hugely fuelled by language and identity politics, which is to some extent artificial.

    Note the divergence post the rise in social media in 2010.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    Are you a man?

    Your link also says 94% of child benefit goes to women the scrounging bitches
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    The whole way we talk about sex and gender in Western countries is destructive, IMHO.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,935
    Women tend to be more conservative than men. The leading parties of the right are explicitly not conservative but radical wanting sharp, drastic changes on how society is run and very willing to risk the status quo to implement them.

    The parties of the left tend not be particularly liberal either. We need better terminology.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,153
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    I think that's perhaps exaggerating it, but certainly an element of truth. I see the same trend with our medical students.
    100% the case with A-Level students. The boys generally aren't as organised or committed. I've noticed the decline in the 10+ years I've been doing it. I probably won't take on any male students next year as there is a decent chance they'll drag my batting average down. This what the woke left want. It's me. I'm the woke left.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    RobD said:

    Without permission from Wellington, apparently!
    Very worrying. China is simply building a sphere of control in Asia-Pac and will do so by simply ignoring international norms and annexation.

    Australia and New Zealand risk isolation.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    edited February 24

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    If this were reversed, there'd be calls for action to support women and, likely, denouncements of an inherently pro-male bias in the system.

    We saw this with book prize competitions. When they were male-dominated, it was a problem to be solved. Now they're even more female-dominated, nobody gives a shit.
    As it happens I agree that there have to be interventions to support boys. If it were up to me it would start by delaying when they start school by a year or two. The outcome is path dependent from that moment on. Guys lack the maturity at 5-6 (not the intelligence) as conpared with girls and they spend ten years of primary education just catching up to the girls - that is 10 years with few academic victories to shape their identity. Secondly I would seriously circumscribe gaming and social media/phones for as long as humanly possible.

    So, I am an associate dean at a major business school and I can tell you my attention is directed at young struggling men and their progression. The notion that women get all the attention is just not correct where I am. Women largely take responsibility for their degrees and do very well. Guys are the ones that struggle most and we work hard to create interventions and provide support. And it is not just that we want to do it. OfS requires us to identify and support these struggling students.

    The crazy thing is we get the high performing guys and while a small groups of guys do very well, especially in quantitative modules, I am aware that there is a vast group of young men that drop out of basic schooling and upper secondary... that huge group need to be addressed. That is where the politics of resentment takes hold.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    Men have been told they're latent rapists and neatherdals and their only role in future is to act as "allies" in a future which is female, who are both equal and better than them?

    Is it any wonder?
    Unless they watch Andrew Tate, in which case they are told that they should grab any woman they like.

    Or unless they are a member of a protestant evangelical church in the US.

    Or unless they listen to Kendrick or Dr Dre or Drake or Travis Scott or King Von.

    Personally, having teenage kids, I notice no meaningful difference between their upbringing and mine, except alcohol is less available, cannabis more, and the music today involves a lot more swearing.
    You must be younger than I thought if you grew up with Switch and Fortnite
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988

    Countries across the world use more land for golf courses than wind or solar energy

    https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1074494

    Doesn't entirely explain Trump's hatred of wind turbines - he's already won the Golf War....
  • Germany’s Merz calls for ‘independence’ from US after election win
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merkel governed like Harriet Harman.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,566
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    I think that's perhaps exaggerating it, but certainly an element of truth. I see the same trend with our medical students.
    100% the case with A-Level students. The boys generally aren't as organised or committed. I've noticed the decline in the 10+ years I've been doing it. I probably won't take on any male students next year as there is a decent chance they'll drag my batting average down. This what the woke left want. It's me. I'm the woke left.
    Boys/men mature later on average. Perhaps a school and uni system which pushes people to take exams at 16/18/21 is poorly designed for young men? Particularly since nowadays qualifications and credentials are seen as so jmportant...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,406

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    That's a much abused graph. But young men tend more radical right and young men more radical left.

    I do wonder if the divide is somewhat contrived. They both have similar interests: mass disillusionment in common and a disengagement with mainstream politics. To the extent that division has arisen it's hugely fuelled by language and identity politics, which is to some extent artificial.

    Note the divergence post the rise in social media in 2010.
    Not just Social Media but online gaming too since 2010.

    I was a keen boardgames in my teens, but have deliberately steered clear of electronic gaming. In part it's because so many online games are moronically violent but also because I have seen how addictive they are for young men. Fortunately my boys have grown past that stage.
  • Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merkel governed like Harriet Harman.
    Bit harsh on Harriet Harman...
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    kamski said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    Are you a man?

    Your link also says 94% of child benefit goes to women the scrounging bitches
    That might be because men hardly ever stick around to take care of the kids if there is a split
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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    If this were reversed, there'd be calls for action to support women and, likely, denouncements of an inherently pro-male bias in the system.

    We saw this with book prize competitions. When they were male-dominated, it was a problem to be solved. Now they're even more female-dominated, nobody gives a shit.
    As it happens I agree that there have to be interventions to support boys. If it were up to me it would start by delaying when they start school by a year or two. The outcome is path dependent from that moment on. Guys lack the maturity at 5-6 (not the intelligence) as conpared with girls and they spend ten years of primary education just catching up to the girls - that is 10 years with few academic victories to shape their identity. Secondly I would seriously circumscribe gaming and social media/phones for as long as humanly possible.

    So, I am an associate dean at a major business school and I can tell you my attention is directed at young struggling men and their progression. The notion that women get all the attention is just not correct where I am. Women largely take responsibility for their degrees and do very well. Guys are the ones that struggle most and we work hard to create interventions and provide support. And it is not just that we want to do it. OfS requires us to identify and support these struggling students.

    The crazy thing is we get the high performing guys and while a small groups of guys do very well, especially in quantitative modules, I am aware that there is a vast group of young men that drop out of basic schooling and upper secondary... that huge group need to be addressed. That is where the politics of resentment takes hold.
    How do young struggling men end up in a major business school? There must be some selection effects you're ignoring.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298
    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    It's not that women are scrounging, it's that feckless men have left them literally holding the baby.
    Aren't most divorces and break-ups initiated by women?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    That's a much abused graph. But young men tend more radical right and young men more radical left.

    I do wonder if the divide is somewhat contrived. They both have similar interests: mass disillusionment in common and a disengagement with mainstream politics. To the extent that division has arisen it's hugely fuelled by language and identity politics, which is to some extent artificial.

    Note the divergence post the rise in social media in 2010.
    Not just Social Media but online gaming too since 2010.

    I was a keen boardgames in my teens, but have deliberately steered clear of electronic gaming. In part it's because so many online games are moronically violent but also because I have seen how addictive they are for young men. Fortunately my boys have grown past that stage.
    It's not entirely new. In the 1990s, when I was growing up, "sex education" was basically designed to turn teenagers off sex, delay sex, or wear so many contraceptives that it was pointless. The spectre of AIDS, in particular, and other venereal diseases was ever present.

    Essentially, we were taught it was dangerous. And that women would respect us much more - and we'd eventually get better sex, in a loving relationship - if we showed ourselves undriven by it.

    It basically took until I was 20 to unlearn that propaganda.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    I think that's perhaps exaggerating it, but certainly an element of truth. I see the same trend with our medical students.

    I think online gaming radicalised a lot of young men, as well as affecting their concentration. There's pretty good evidence that young women are more harmed by social media, and I think the effect of violent online games on young men needs attention too.
    I've been playing games like Duke Nukem, Quake and Doom since the mid 1990s. Plus lots of strategy games. GTA etc.

    I heard the same crap about violent games back then too.

    Don't think that is it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    It's not that women are scrounging, it's that feckless men have left them literally holding the baby.
    And there we have it.

    Dumb language.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,988
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    Men have been told they're latent rapists and neatherdals and their only role in future is to act as "allies" in a future which is female, who are both equal and better than them?

    Is it any wonder?
    Unless they watch Andrew Tate, in which case they are told that they should grab any woman they like.

    Or unless they are a member of a protestant evangelical church in the US.

    Or unless they listen to Kendrick or Dr Dre or Drake or Travis Scott or King Von.

    Personally, having teenage kids, I notice no meaningful difference between their upbringing and mine, except alcohol is less available, cannabis more, and the music today involves a lot more swearing.
    Swearing was filtered out by Radio 1 - not at all on youtube.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155

    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    It's not that women are scrounging, it's that feckless men have left them literally holding the baby.
    And there we have it.

    Dumb language.
    Try reading the post foxy was replying to!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    Men have been told they're latent rapists and neatherdals and their only role in future is to act as "allies" in a future which is female, who are both equal and better than them?

    Is it any wonder?
    Unless they watch Andrew Tate, in which case they are told that they should grab any woman they like.

    Or unless they are a member of a protestant evangelical church in the US.

    Or unless they listen to Kendrick or Dr Dre or Drake or Travis Scott or King Von.

    Personally, having teenage kids, I notice no meaningful difference between their upbringing and mine, except alcohol is less available, cannabis more, and the music today involves a lot more swearing.
    But that's precisely my point.

    It drives a polarisation where both sides feed off each other.

    So who will stop the madness?
  • dunhamdunham Posts: 9

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    edited February 24
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    Yes, it's a theme that I find interesting.

    The political Gender divide amongst the young becomes ever more stark. Germany is the latest to show it.

    I think it explains a lot about declining fertility rates. What young woman wants to have a family with a radicalised product of the #manosphere?

    (Lefty men are in clover though!)

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livrecbjtk2b
    There's hope for Leon. :smile:

    All he has to do is switch to Tribune and join Bluesky.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249

    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    It's not that women are scrounging, it's that feckless men have left them literally holding the baby.
    And there we have it.

    Dumb language.
    I’d say there as many awful women as there are awful men, in our society.

    A lawyer tends to see human nature at its most dark.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
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    MattW said:

    To cheer you all up at breakfast time.

    Fox News publishing diatician approved eggless breakfast recipes to give you a good start to the day.

    - Protein-packed breakfast tacos
    - Mini banana pancake bites
    - Eggless banana muffin recipe with flax

    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/dietitian-shares-simple-eggless-breakfast-recipes-egg-prices-soar

    Sounds a bit woke for Fox.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    I think that's perhaps exaggerating it, but certainly an element of truth. I see the same trend with our medical students.

    I think online gaming radicalised a lot of young men, as well as affecting their concentration. There's pretty good evidence that young women are more harmed by social media, and I think the effect of violent online games on young men needs attention too.
    I've been playing games like Duke Nukem, Quake and Doom since the mid 1990s. Plus lots of strategy games. GTA etc.

    I heard the same crap about violent games back then too.

    Don't think that is it.
    You also (I guess!) had a life outside of games.

    I fear issues become prominent when all someone has is computer games and online chat, with little or no balanced life outside games. And I know of at least one guy in his early twenties like that.

    I mean, I was into computers and games in my teens and twenties. Obviously. But I still went out with mates, volunteered at a preserved railway, and did loads of other 'life' things outside computers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    edited February 24

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    Men have been told they're latent rapists and neatherdals and their only role in future is to act as "allies" in a future which is female, who are both equal and better than them?

    Is it any wonder?
    Unless they watch Andrew Tate, in which case they are told that they should grab any woman they like.

    Or unless they are a member of a protestant evangelical church in the US.

    Or unless they listen to Kendrick or Dr Dre or Drake or Travis Scott or King Von.

    Personally, having teenage kids, I notice no meaningful difference between their upbringing and mine, except alcohol is less available, cannabis more, and the music today involves a lot more swearing.
    Swearing was filtered out by Radio 1 - not at all on youtube.
    Not quite imo - Youtube demonetises and slugs-in-the-algorithm in a large range of circumstances, both for soundtrack and for what's in the images.

    I've never heard so many circumlocutions. They are trying to recreate the Mickey Mouse Club - it's like a Usonian residents association's Karen-Force.

    I don't think they are on to regional or Shakespearean swear words yet - "futtock", "wazzock", "fustilugs", "fopdoodle".

    It is notable how many Ukraine focused channels have created their own platforms - either via Patreon (who also censor, but less), Discord , Rumble, or completely independent.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    kamski said:

    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b
    Your comment on Bluesky is a bit more opinionated:

    There's a massive divide in many countries between empathetic young women and incel men radicalised in the online manosphere and through violent gaming.
    For empathetic read scrounging. E.g. 23% of women and only 12% of men in the U.S. use food stamps. (Source: https://debthammer.org/welfare-statistics/#3), as of November 2023, 3.6 million women and 2.65 million men were receiving Universal Credit in Great Britain, [a bit older] but 2005 and 2008, 53 per cent of housing benefit claimants were women, 22 per cent were couples and 25 per cent were men (https://www.poverty.ac.uk/articles-government-cuts-gender-welfare-system-tax-government-policy-uk/women-lose-out-government)

    It's hardly surprising that men are more likely to be conservative when men disproportionately earn money and are taxed to the absolute limit to pay for welfare benefits that disproportionately benefit women, and then are insulted as misogynists and potential rapists into the bargain.

    The surprising thing is that the gender voting split was ever more balanced.
    It's not that women are scrounging, it's that feckless men have left them literally holding the baby.
    And there we have it.

    Dumb language.
    Try reading the post foxy was replying to!
    I did. It was a general comment.

    None of profit from geeing up a gender war, except Meta and TikTok.
  • dunhamdunham Posts: 9

    Germany’s Merz calls for ‘independence’ from US after election win

    Calls from Macron, Merz and von der Leyen for a Gaullist-style independent EU-based defence and foreign policy will leave the UK and Turkiye (the 2 large countries on the fringes of Europe that are within NATO but outwith the EU) out in the cold. It would leave the UK with little choice other than to throw in its lot with the USA; Starmer will need to be very careful in his imminent meeting with Trump.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    Nigelb said:

    .

    MattW said:

    To cheer you all up at breakfast time.

    Fox News publishing diatician approved eggless breakfast recipes to give you a good start to the day.

    - Protein-packed breakfast tacos
    - Mini banana pancake bites
    - Eggless banana muffin recipe with flax

    https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/dietitian-shares-simple-eggless-breakfast-recipes-egg-prices-soar

    Sounds a bit woke for Fox.
    A Hegg Heist:

    https://apnews.com/article/eggs-stolen-pennsylvania-100000-c1c260ca05b9f84612c61071cb504939
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    dunham said:

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

    The Greens are center-left if anything.
    The AfD are more Britain First/EDL than Reform
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,153
    edited February 24
    rkrkrk said:



    Boys/men mature later on average. Perhaps a school and uni system which pushes people to take exams at 16/18/21 is poorly designed for young men? Particularly since nowadays qualifications and credentials are seen as so jmportant...

    There might be something in that but something has changed over time. When I think about the boys I was in Middle Sixth with, some of them (not me obviously) were like fucking A.E. Housman compared to the Balatro anesthetised golems I get now.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    dunham said:

    Germany’s Merz calls for ‘independence’ from US after election win

    Calls from Macron, Merz and von der Leyen for a Gaullist-style independent EU-based defence and foreign policy will leave the UK and Turkiye (the 2 large countries on the fringes of Europe that are within NATO but outwith the EU) out in the cold. It would leave the UK with little choice other than to throw in its lot with the USA; Starmer will need to be very careful in his imminent meeting with Trump.
    Odd given that 3 days ago Merz said
    "That we have to talk to the British and French whether their nuclear protection could also be extended to us is an issue that the French government has repeatedly raised with the German government,"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Dura_Ace said:

    rkrkrk said:



    Boys/men mature later on average. Perhaps a school and uni system which pushes people to take exams at 16/18/21 is poorly designed for young men? Particularly since nowadays qualifications and credentials are seen as so jmportant...

    There might be something in that but something has changed over time. When I think about the boys I was in Middle Sixth with, some of them (not me obviously) were like fucking A.E. Housman compared to the Balatro anesthetised golems I get now.
    Shropshire lads ?
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561

    Foxy said:

    kamski said:

    Sean_F said:

    This was a good result for Germany.

    Mertz ought to have been the Union leader 20 years ago, not the hapless Merkel.

    Merz is an idiot. Maybe he'll surprise on the upside.
    Not my cup of tea either. Thanks for your contributions yesterday, it has significantly improved my understanding of German politics.

    There's a striking gender divide in young people between males and females over politics developing with 34% of 18-24 year old women supporting Linke.

    https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3livppjqecs2b

    This is increasingly an international phenomenon.


    I teach at university and especially in the undergraduate programmes the best students are almost universally women. Young men are broadly unable to gather themselves around reading even short texts, they are often are not systematic or capable of critical thinking, the vast majority of absent or late comers are men. There is a deep deep crisis in young masculinity. And it has accelerated over the last 15-20 years. I suspect this is part of the story
    If this were reversed, there'd be calls for action to support women and, likely, denouncements of an inherently pro-male bias in the system.

    We saw this with book prize competitions. When they were male-dominated, it was a problem to be solved. Now they're even more female-dominated, nobody gives a shit.
    As it happens I agree that there have to be interventions to support boys. If it were up to me it would start by delaying when they start school by a year or two. The outcome is path dependent from that moment on. Guys lack the maturity at 5-6 (not the intelligence) as conpared with girls and they spend ten years of primary education just catching up to the girls - that is 10 years with few academic victories to shape their identity. Secondly I would seriously circumscribe gaming and social media/phones for as long as humanly possible.

    So, I am an associate dean at a major business school and I can tell you my attention is directed at young struggling men and their progression. The notion that women get all the attention is just not correct where I am. Women largely take responsibility for their degrees and do very well. Guys are the ones that struggle most and we work hard to create interventions and provide support. And it is not just that we want to do it. OfS requires us to identify and support these struggling students.

    The crazy thing is we get the high performing guys and while a small groups of guys do very well, especially in quantitative modules, I am aware that there is a vast group of young men that drop out of basic schooling and upper secondary... that huge group need to be addressed. That is where the politics of resentment takes hold.
    How do young struggling men end up in a major business school? There must be some selection effects you're ignoring.
    Believe me they struggle...
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