Not me, not even close. One is a bumbling, mumbling incompetent well out of his depth. The other is a psychopathic lunatic responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. People need to get a sense of proportion.
It'll be interesting to see whether Clarkson's comments get any pushback on the right. I would be pleasantly surprised.
We'll see. Imagine if JSO had blocked off all of central London and driven a tank down Whitehall. The outrage would have echoed across Facebook. But it's fine when it's Clarkson doing it.
(Having said that, a bright orange Centurion trundling around the M25 would be quite something).
I submit we are under attack and more significantly, so too is the global system upon which our security and prosperity are based. In response we need to rapidly deploy all available instruments of national power with maximal effect. This may need to include otherwise previously unthinkable actions such as shutting off our oil and gas, electrical power and critical supplies, as well as the abandonment of historic diplomatic and military relationships and commitments.
This is no longer just about Canada and our national pride, this is about stopping [Lord of the Flies] Jack before he destroys the whole island.
Alex Burghardt and Claire Coutinho? That's who the plotters have left? They'd actually be better sticking with Kemi. And that's saying something. Neither of those daft sausages are going to get near the leadership. It will be Jenrick if Kemi goes.
That's who Nadine Dorries says the plotters have left, which may not be the truth!
The bookies agree somewhat with you. Jenrick and Cleverly are joint favourites, but both are only 5/1 (at Oddschecker). Boris Johnson is 13/2 (lay!). Best odds on Nigel Farage are 7/1 (lay!). Coutinho best odds are 25/1, fifth equal favourite. Burghardt is 12th favourite at best odds of 28/1 (value?). 33/1 on Philp might be worth a flutter.
Boris isn't even in parliament and won't be in the near future. So that looks like free money. I mean someone will have to make it a competition with Jenrick, so maybe Cleverly, but he's a big doofus who's not going to win either.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
It's good to see that he has moved on from cyclists .
Though I think the 41% of Gen Z who he quotes as not wanting to fight to protect their country probably don't want to defend a country with people like Clarkson in it, rather than because Mr Starmer is leading it.
Calgie @christiancalgie NEW: Kemi Badenoch says that Elon Musk's DOGE-style approach to cutting government waste is not "radical enough" for Britain.
She says: "Looking at what we're spending on welfare, looking at so much waste, a lot of nonsense that government does. It's too big. We need smaller government, smarter spending."
Trump: Elon is going to raze the federal government to the ground.
Badenoch: I'd do more.
So Kemi, why didn't you and your chums do it between 2010 and 2024 when, you know, you were in government?
Also, Kemi, you opposed the cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance. Isn't that the epitome of "wasteful" nice to have spending that goes to a lot who don't strictly need it?
Fcukwit , what do you know about who needs what, typical ignorant loser.
I submit we are under attack and more significantly, so too is the global system upon which our security and prosperity are based. In response we need to rapidly deploy all available instruments of national power with maximal effect. This may need to include otherwise previously unthinkable actions such as shutting off our oil and gas, electrical power and critical supplies, as well as the abandonment of historic diplomatic and military relationships and commitments.
This is no longer just about Canada and our national pride, this is about stopping [Lord of the Flies] Jack before he destroys the whole island.
Well it went really well last time he tried it didn't it! Ukraine needs to turn itself into an Israeli military. Everyone will need to be trained as a soldier and they need to make it plain that if Russia tries again it will get an even bigger humiliation than last time. Also, if that is the timeline they also have 4 years to develop tactical nuclear weapons. One would hope the damage Putin has caused himself and his country will be enough to make him procrastinate long enough to die of some painful disease.
The value of imports and exports between the nations fell to about €32bn last year, down from €38bn in 2023, according to Ireland’s Central Statistics Office.
A near-€3bn drop in chemical exports from Ireland to the UK and a €1.6bn fall in shipments of gas and lubricants from Britain into Ireland contributed to the slump in trade.
Overall, exports from Ireland to Great Britain decreased by 10% to just under €16bn year on year, while imports from Britain to Ireland dropped by 21% to €16.6bn...
Calgie @christiancalgie NEW: Kemi Badenoch says that Elon Musk's DOGE-style approach to cutting government waste is not "radical enough" for Britain.
She says: "Looking at what we're spending on welfare, looking at so much waste, a lot of nonsense that government does. It's too big. We need smaller government, smarter spending."
Trump: Elon is going to raze the federal government to the ground.
Badenoch: I'd do more.
So Kemi, why didn't you and your chums do it between 2010 and 2024 when, you know, you were in government?
Also, Kemi, you opposed the cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance. Isn't that the epitome of "wasteful" nice to have spending that goes to a lot who don't strictly need it?
Fcukwit , what do you know about who needs what, typical ignorant loser.
The point is Kemi can’t say that she needs to cut everything when she opposes very small cuts
Calgie @christiancalgie NEW: Kemi Badenoch says that Elon Musk's DOGE-style approach to cutting government waste is not "radical enough" for Britain.
She says: "Looking at what we're spending on welfare, looking at so much waste, a lot of nonsense that government does. It's too big. We need smaller government, smarter spending."
Trump: Elon is going to raze the federal government to the ground.
Badenoch: I'd do more.
So Kemi, why didn't you and your chums do it between 2010 and 2024 when, you know, you were in government?
Also, Kemi, you opposed the cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance. Isn't that the epitome of "wasteful" nice to have spending that goes to a lot who don't strictly need it?
Fcukwit , what do you know about who needs what, typical ignorant loser.
I know that a payment introduced at its current level 25 years ago as an accountancy fix as pensions were so low but the government didn't want to do proper uprating and which hasn't changed since as pensions have gone up, is as benefits go not the difference between heating and eating it once was. So if you're slashing the state, it's one of the first things on the chopping block. The only case for it is a socialist one of redistribution to the deserving.
Alastair Meeks https://bsky.app/profile/alastairmeeks.bsky.social I'd thought that Sir Keir Starmer was the wrong sort of politician for the age. But looking at Kemi Badenoch, it's clear that there are some considerably less suited for it. 17 February 2025 at 12:24
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
Only somebody who is thick as pigshit would prefer Putin over Starmer.
Clarkson admit he only became a farmer for the tax benefits.
We need all the revenue to help fund our defence budgets for rearmament.
Britain and France stand alone against tyranny. Same old, Same old.
Good afternoon
I think you will find Poland and the Baltic Countries will stand against tyranny but as I said yesterday as part of NATO notwithstanding the present US attitudes
An European Army was always a non starter
NATO isn’t really a thing anymore. That’s the problem. Would you trust Trump to fulfil a treaty obligation?
There are two things that tend to be overlooked in the discussion about NATO:
- Article 5 does not mean that every member is obliged to go to war on behalf of a state being attacked but just to "assist" them "as it deems necessary"
- From the US perspective, it is the relative lack of investment in the military from European countries that has undermined the basis of NATO
The idea that everything was working wonderfully until the bad orange man came along is not correct.
However, Trump's assault on democracy in the USA and Europe, and his declarations, have changed the basic assumptions.
We have a Putin-style managed democracy at the moment, with a firewall between public opinion and government policy.
That's right. It's just like Russia here.
Thankfully not, but it is a fair observation that whilst he almost certainly was not elected in free and fair elections, he was not voted in on a landslide on only approximately 20% of those eligible to vote. The democratic mandate delivered to the Labour Party in the recent GE by out FPTP system was pretty flimsy when analysed closely.
Calgie @christiancalgie NEW: Kemi Badenoch says that Elon Musk's DOGE-style approach to cutting government waste is not "radical enough" for Britain.
She says: "Looking at what we're spending on welfare, looking at so much waste, a lot of nonsense that government does. It's too big. We need smaller government, smarter spending."
Trump: Elon is going to raze the federal government to the ground.
Badenoch: I'd do more.
So Kemi, why didn't you and your chums do it between 2010 and 2024 when, you know, you were in government?
Also, Kemi, you opposed the cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance. Isn't that the epitome of "wasteful" nice to have spending that goes to a lot who don't strictly need it?
Fcukwit , what do you know about who needs what, typical ignorant loser.
The point is Kemi can’t say that she needs to cut everything when she opposes very small cuts
Exactly. You can make the argument for it. But then you also have to make the argument for other payments from the state to those in need. Many of whose need is greater than the median pensioner.
You can't oppose cutting it while promising to slash £100bn+ from spending as it is the definition of something people who get it like and may find useful but is not something a super slimmed down state should or could do.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
You actually pinpoint an important problem with our current tax system, because it’s not quite as you describe.
Under current rules if you inherit a business, not only is it IHT free, but you also get a step up in CGT base cost to fair market value. So you can do nothing with it and then sell for no gain, tax free.
One of the reforms that would make a lot of sense is to retain full IHT exemption on business assets but remove the step up on death. Then the next generation would have the option either to continue to run and grow the business, or sell up but pay the tax.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
Only somebody who is thick as pigshit would prefer Putin over Starmer.
Clarkson admit he only became a farmer for the tax benefits.
We need all the revenue to help fund our defence budgets for rearmament.
More importantly, Jezza C has made a career out of being edgy and saying the "unsayable".
If you want to keep doing that, you have to keep upping the ante. Worse still, you risk being driven mad by listening to the bobbins you are saying.
Either way, you always have the risk tipping over into saying things that actually are unsayable.
I'm sure we can all think of case studies of that happening.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
Overall, exports from Ireland to Great Britain decreased by 10% to just under €16bn year on year, while imports from Britain to Ireland dropped by 21% to €16.6bn...
UK > IRL trade will drop further this year as the GPSR drives many small businesses to abandon selling into the EU.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
Only somebody who is thick as pigshit would prefer Putin over Starmer.
Clarkson admit he only became a farmer for the tax benefits.
We need all the revenue to help fund our defence budgets for rearmament.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
Only somebody who is thick as pigshit would prefer Putin over Starmer.
Clarkson admit he only became a farmer for the tax benefits.
We need all the revenue to help fund our defence budgets for rearmament.
More importantly, Jezza C has made a career out of being edgy and saying the "unsayable".
If you want to keep doing that, you have to keep upping the ante. Worse still, you risk being driven mad by listening to the bobbins you are saying.
Either way, you always have the risk tipping over into saying things that actually are unsayable.
I'm sure we can all think of case studies of that happening.
The other, perhaps more pertinent point, is that the very wealthy tend to do quite well under tyranny as long as they toe the party line. Putin has a long line of celebrity or wealthy sycophants, Russian and western, because he is good for their bank accounts and property portfolios. One of them is the President of the United States.
Not that this is what Clarkson is doing. He is just being Clarkson. But subconsciouly he must know it is the case or he wouldn't be so daft.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
You actually pinpoint an important problem with our current tax system, because it’s not quite as you describe.
Under current rules if you inherit a business, not only is it IHT free, but you also get a step up in CGT base cost to fair market value. So you can do nothing with it and then sell for no gain, tax free.
One of the reforms that would make a lot of sense is to retain full IHT exemption on business assets but remove the step up on death. Then the next generation would have the option either to continue to run and grow the business, or sell up but pay the tax.
Thank you a useful clarification, though I believe (and am not an expert) that there is some complexity relating to when it was originally acquired. The point I am making however, is that most farming families do not want to sell. They want to carry on farming. Making a business that is marginal at best have even less assets because it has to sell to pay IHT is insane. The asset value should only be taxed on disposal.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
The land has to be farmed - so if you have a tenant renting and farming the land from you that’s enough
Zelensky simply said no, but it's fairly clear that the US under Trump, just wants to grift what it can, and damn the consequences.
Parts of the leaked critical minerals agreement that the US presented to Zelensky last week
I am told the original document stipulated that this agreement between the US and Ukrainian governments would be governed under.. NY State law!
Other issues here: - Request to sign an agreement that says “Pre-decisional & Deliberative” - No specification on the timeframe for the license payments - in perpetuity or limited in some form? - US commitments are extremely vague. I am told the original draft didn’t include any, which would have made it unenforceable under NY law (you have to have future considerations included in a contract) https://x.com/DAlperovitch/status/1891524427960975591
He might be president, and a billionaire, but at heart he's still a low rent grifter.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
I think we can all recognise that Clarkson was (possibly like yourself) indulging in a little extreme hyperbole (is it possible to be extremely hyperbolic?). The best way to think of Clarkson is like a more intelligent Leon, except he has a lot of followers, and he doesn't believe in Brexit or aliens.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
Not me, not even close. One is a bumbling, mumbling incompetent well out of his depth. The other is a psychopathic lunatic responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. People need to get a sense of proportion.
It'll be interesting to see whether Clarkson's comments get any pushback on the right. I would be pleasantly surprised.
We'll see. Imagine if JSO had blocked off all of central London and driven a tank down Whitehall. The outrage would have echoed across Facebook. But it's fine when it's Clarkson doing it.
(Having said that, a bright orange Centurion trundling around the M25 would be quite something).
Interesting that you can't differentiate between illegal action and a legal protest coordinated with the police and local authorities.
That quite Putinist, really, if you think about it.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
If you watch Clarkson's Farm, you may notice that he is actually farming!!!!!! Duh!
It is necessary to demonstrate that you have a business and it returns accounts etc. etc. but it is not particularly onerous. HMRC can think of all sorts of ridiculous hoops for most things and this challenge to differentiate between those who have largely invested for IHT relief and "proper farmers" is perfectly possible.
There is a simple reason they have not been instructed thus: lefties hate farmers!
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
The trivial solution is what I suggested - make the inheritance tax a charge on the land that is realised if the land is sold.
It's not much of a tax dodge, if you have to pay tax to get your money out.
Another disconnect between Reform and the Tory rump.
Public's intuition is for a peace-protection role in Ukraine
62-65% across LD, Lab, Cons
Reform split (43% for/35% against) shows gulf between the most vocal and the more casual swing Reform voter. Reform's Very Online advocates on X are different to their target voters https://x.com/sundersays/status/1891445907423392045\
This though is an interesting detail:
On many issues, Reform swing voters [those who join if poll above 14%] have contrasting views to a core 7% represented vocally in activists & online
Many examples - Ukraine - Oppose net zero - Trump - Musk - Tommy Robinson
Replace NHS (may not be strong in core either)
Who are the PB core Reform, and who the swingers ?
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
Err
I expect that at the next few elections Labour will keep on reminding voters of the Liz Truss interregnum because quite frankly only Radiohead have a worse record than Liz Truss.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
It was nice knowing you - before you confused @TSE with @rcs1000
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
Err
I expect that at the next few elections Labour will keep on reminding voters of the Liz Truss interregnum because quite frankly only Radiohead have a worse record than Liz Truss.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
The land has to be farmed - so if you have a tenant renting and farming the land from you that’s enough
An obvious tweak (there are lots of obvious tweaks and I don’t know why they’ve not been done yet, but there’s still time) would have been to put a holding period test into the rules. If the land had been in the same ownership for say 20 years before inheritance then no IHT.
Actually an even simpler tweak would be not to bother with IHT - it’s unpopular among almost the entire electorate - and move to annual land value taxation, with lower rates for agricultural land.
Always worth reminding farmers though that if they gift the farm 7 years or more before death then it’s completely IHT free. They can still keep the house and even a portion of the farm up to the limit. But it’s mentally hard to do. I know a farmer who is still waiting to inherit in his 50s, and doesn’t feel he can make the changes and innovations he wants until the old boy has shuffled off to the next life.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
The trivial solution is what I suggested - make the inheritance tax a charge on the land that is realised if the land is sold.
It's not much of a tax dodge, if you have to pay tax to get your money out.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
A better solution would be to return planning to the pre-1948 regulations that allowed decent amount of housing to be last built in the 1930s and means that there is no uplift in land values from being given planning permission.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
I think we can all recognise that Clarkson was (possibly like yourself) indulging in a little extreme hyperbole (is it possible to be extremely hyperbolic?). The best way to think of Clarkson is like a more intelligent Leon, except he has a lot of followers, and he doesn't believe in Brexit or aliens.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
Just because we don’t agree with you doesn’t make us thick. Grow up. Almost as immature as the lazy “lefties hate farmers” analysis.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Britain and France stand alone against tyranny. Same old, Same old.
Good afternoon
I think you will find Poland and the Baltic Countries will stand against tyranny but as I said yesterday as part of NATO notwithstanding the present US attitudes
An European Army was always a non starter
NATO isn’t really a thing anymore. That’s the problem. Would you trust Trump to fulfil a treaty obligation?
There are two things that tend to be overlooked in the discussion about NATO:
- Article 5 does not mean that every member is obliged to go to war on behalf of a state being attacked but just to "assist" them "as it deems necessary"
- From the US perspective, it is the relative lack of investment in the military from European countries that has undermined the basis of NATO
The idea that everything was working wonderfully until the bad orange man came along is not correct.
However, Trump's assault on democracy in the USA and Europe, and his declarations, have changed the basic assumptions.
We have a Putin-style managed democracy at the moment, with a firewall between public opinion and government policy.
That's right. It's just like Russia here.
Thankfully not, but it is a fair observation that whilst he almost certainly was not elected in free and fair elections, he was not voted in on a landslide on only approximately 20% of those eligible to vote. The democratic mandate delivered to the Labour Party in the recent GE by out FPTP system was pretty flimsy when analysed closely.
I have always been opposed to FPTP. But we have the system we do and when given the chance to change it voters said no. The system also makes many people vote the way they do. I remain a Labour party member but will probably never vote Labour again because of the constituency in which I live.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
The land has to be farmed - so if you have a tenant renting and farming the land from you that’s enough
An obvious tweak (there are lots of obvious tweaks and I don’t know why they’ve not been done yet, but there’s still time) would have been to put a holding period test into the rules. If the land had been in the same ownership for say 20 years before inheritance then no IHT.
Actually an even simpler tweak would be not to bother with IHT - it’s unpopular among almost the entire electorate - and move to annual land value taxation, with lower rates for agricultural land.
Always worth reminding farmers though that if they gift the farm 7 years or more before death then it’s completely IHT free. They can still keep the house and even a portion of the farm up to the limit. But it’s mentally hard to do. I know a farmer who is still waiting to inherit in his 50s, and doesn’t feel he can make the changes and innovations he wants until the old boy has shuffled off to the next life.
I completely agree that an annual land value tax would be simpler & fairer than IHT & a bunch of other weird land taxes, but unfortunately it’s wildly unpopular with the electorate: Taxing granny on her £2million four bed London home that she’s bouncing around in by herself is just not acceptable in any way.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Right now it’s being steadily bought up by the likes of James Dyson instead. Is that really an improvement?
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
Just because we don’t agree with you doesn’t make us thick. Grow up.
Hang on, “those who disagree with me are thick” is in the standard PB terms and conditions isn’t it?
All political wings are as bad as each other on this. Seems to be a standard social media rhetorical device.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
They already are. Over half of agricultural land has been sold to non-farmers in recent years. That's the scam that needed addressing.
There are ways of exemption family farms while hitting the land speculators and IHT dodgers.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Right now it’s being steadily bought up by the likes of James Dyson instead. Is that really an improvement?
No, but sinking a ship to put out the fire is not the best plan, generally.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
They already are. Over half of agricultural land has been sold to non-farmers in recent years. That's the scam that needed addressing.
There are ways of exemption family farms while hitting the land speculators and IHT dodgers.
As I pointed out (above) - an inheritance tax charge, payable when the land is sold. Not much of a tax dodge if you have to pay tax to get your money out.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
I think we can all recognise that Clarkson was (possibly like yourself) indulging in a little extreme hyperbole (is it possible to be extremely hyperbolic?). The best way to think of Clarkson is like a more intelligent Leon, except he has a lot of followers, and he doesn't believe in Brexit or aliens.
Calgie @christiancalgie NEW: Kemi Badenoch says that Elon Musk's DOGE-style approach to cutting government waste is not "radical enough" for Britain.
She says: "Looking at what we're spending on welfare, looking at so much waste, a lot of nonsense that government does. It's too big. We need smaller government, smarter spending."
Trump: Elon is going to raze the federal government to the ground.
Badenoch: I'd do more.
So Kemi, why didn't you and your chums do it between 2010 and 2024 when, you know, you were in government?
Also, Kemi, you opposed the cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance. Isn't that the epitome of "wasteful" nice to have spending that goes to a lot who don't strictly need it?
Fcukwit , what do you know about who needs what, typical ignorant loser.
I know that a payment introduced at its current level 25 years ago as an accountancy fix as pensions were so low but the government didn't want to do proper uprating and which hasn't changed since as pensions have gone up, is as benefits go not the difference between heating and eating it once was. So if you're slashing the state, it's one of the first things on the chopping block. The only case for it is a socialist one of redistribution to the deserving.
Loser
They are still crap for the average person , worst in the developed world by a long way. Also after tax mine is worth washers.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
No, previously it was not just farmers, it was any privately owned business. The idea before the people who know fuck-all about business came to power was that the business remained viable so that it could carry on an continue to pay tax, employ people etc.
Most non-business owners who inherit will inherit something that they don't need and they will dispose of it, such as granny's bungalow. They do not use the inheritance asset as a way of earning their living, so having to put a percentage of it towards Rachel Reeves so she can reward herself more expenses and her friends in the public sector more pay is not going to damage their ability to make a living or stop them hiring someone else.
I don't think what Clarkson has said is unsayable. It is eccentric though. The fact is that the costs to Russia, both human and financial, of Putin's war on Ukraine (vs. the gains) are beyond anything that Starmer's malice or incompetence have yet managed.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
We have you on record as liking Radiohead. Who do we call?
Err
I expect that at the next few elections Labour will keep on reminding voters of the Liz Truss interregnum because quite frankly only Radiohead have a worse record than Liz Truss.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Calgie @christiancalgie NEW: Kemi Badenoch says that Elon Musk's DOGE-style approach to cutting government waste is not "radical enough" for Britain.
She says: "Looking at what we're spending on welfare, looking at so much waste, a lot of nonsense that government does. It's too big. We need smaller government, smarter spending."
Trump: Elon is going to raze the federal government to the ground.
Badenoch: I'd do more.
So Kemi, why didn't you and your chums do it between 2010 and 2024 when, you know, you were in government?
Also, Kemi, you opposed the cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance. Isn't that the epitome of "wasteful" nice to have spending that goes to a lot who don't strictly need it?
Fcukwit , what do you know about who needs what, typical ignorant loser.
The point is Kemi can’t say that she needs to cut everything when she opposes very small cuts
Exactly. You can make the argument for it. But then you also have to make the argument for other payments from the state to those in need. Many of whose need is greater than the median pensioner.
You can't oppose cutting it while promising to slash £100bn+ from spending as it is the definition of something people who get it like and may find useful but is not something a super slimmed down state should or could do.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
Just because we don’t agree with you doesn’t make us thick. Grow up. Almost as immature as the lazy “lefties hate farmers” analysis.
Thanks for your lazy attempt to patronise me, but I'm quite grown up thanks, and having seen some of your very simplistic posts before, I think your suggestion might be a little bit of psychological projection. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but when they are unable to grasp simple concepts then yeh, I will call them thick. There is no rationale to this tax change. Starmer says only a few farmers will be hit which is lie, otherwise, what the fuck is the point in doing it?
PS liked the later addition/edit to your post. Your wit caught up with the slowness of your general simplistic lefty thought process?
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
I think we can all recognise that Clarkson was (possibly like yourself) indulging in a little extreme hyperbole (is it possible to be extremely hyperbolic?). The best way to think of Clarkson is like a more intelligent Leon, except he has a lot of followers, and he doesn't believe in Brexit or aliens.
Ffs, if Clarkson is brighter than Leon....
He is. Clarkson was a Remainer.
Just what is it about undemocratic rule by a Continental potentate that first attracted arch-remainer Clarkson to Uncle Vlad do we think?
Alastair Meeks https://bsky.app/profile/alastairmeeks.bsky.social I'd thought that Sir Keir Starmer was the wrong sort of politician for the age. But looking at Kemi Badenoch, it's clear that there are some considerably less suited for it. 17 February 2025 at 12:24
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Right now it’s being steadily bought up by the likes of James Dyson instead. Is that really an improvement?
Come on, if the government really wanted to stop James Dyson and a few others using it as a tax haven they could do it at a few strokes of an HMRC bureaucrats pen. This is nothing to do with that, it is about the Labour Party's inability to understand business and a large part of it's support base either not understanding or hating the farming community. Like they always do, they have used envy to try to garner support by pretending that if someone has a large farming asset value then they have "broad shoulders" when the reality is that most farmers earn less than most public sector pensioners earn
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
Just because we don’t agree with you doesn’t make us thick. Grow up. Almost as immature as the lazy “lefties hate farmers” analysis.
Thanks for your lazy attempt to patronise me, but I'm quite grown up thanks, and having seen some of your very simplistic posts before, I think your suggestion might be a little bit of psychological projection. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but when they are unable to grasp simple concepts then yeh, I will call them thick. There is no rationale to this tax change. Starmer says only a few farmers will be hit which is lie, otherwise, what the fuck is the point in doing it?
PS liked the later addition/edit to your post. Your wit caught up with the slowness of your general simplistic lefty thought process?
At the end of the day not hating farmers and not agreeing that farmers should be entitled to inherit multi million pound assets at a much lower tax rate than everyone else is a consistent position. I understand your point about the fact it’s a going concern but the reality is inheriting a going concern is a privilege in of itself. That is, unfortunately, a fact. I personally support other ways of supporting farmers and farming without the state subsidising certain people’s inheritances.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
You don't give a damn about anyone who exists outside the very narrow understanding of your very bitter fixed mindset. By contrast I do give a damn about people like you even though you are a twat.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Right now it’s being steadily bought up by the likes of James Dyson instead. Is that really an improvement?
Come on, if the government really wanted to stop James Dyson and a few others using it as a tax haven they could do it at a few strokes of an HMRC bureaucrats pen. This is nothing to do with that, it is about the Labour Party's inability to understand business and a large part of it's support base either not understanding or hating the farming community. Like they always do, they have used envy to try to garner support by pretending that if someone has a large farming asset value then they have "broad shoulders" when the reality is that most farmers earn less than most public sector pensioners earn
Maybe they should sell the land to someone who can use it more productively then?
We could turn it into housing, or factories, and import our food instead. They can get a job that pays well, we can use our finite land more efficiently, what is their to lose?
Unless they're not actually so impoverished and do want to keep their standard of living they are accustomed to?
Another disconnect between Reform and the Tory rump.
Public's intuition is for a peace-protection role in Ukraine
62-65% across LD, Lab, Cons
Reform split (43% for/35% against) shows gulf between the most vocal and the more casual swing Reform voter. Reform's Very Online advocates on X are different to their target voters https://x.com/sundersays/status/1891445907423392045\
This though is an interesting detail:
On many issues, Reform swing voters [those who join if poll above 14%] have contrasting views to a core 7% represented vocally in activists & online
Many examples - Ukraine - Oppose net zero - Trump - Musk - Tommy Robinson
Replace NHS (may not be strong in core either)
Who are the PB core Reform, and who the swingers ?
The swingers are the ones with pampas grass in their gardens.
So do I. You cannot tell me that there's not a vast mountain of waste to cut through before a penny more in taxes on top of their current eye-watering levels is needed. Any more taxes and we won't have an economy to pay the taxes.
On my first day in office, I met the then Permanent Secretary to the Treasury. He told me that his most difficult problem was finding me an office. (He never did.) That set the tone of the Treasury’s approach to confronting waste.
I did manage to cancel 33 government property leases in London, which saved about £1 billion (only £199 billion to go!). But the biggest termination of all, signed and sealed by two cabinet ministers and myself, was overturned after I left (102 Petty France, overlooking St James’s Park). Why?Simply because the civil servants didn’t want to lose the lovely view.
Last week the government answered a written parliamentary question on the amount of overpayments made through Universal Credit, which amounts to nearly £6 billion a year. And yet at the same time they have introduced a controversial death tax on farmers which might generate a tenth of that. The truth is, it is much easier for the administrative machine to slam in a new tax than do the difficult work of running the state more effectively.
And so it goes on. This organisation needs to get the Doge treatment and then some - and that's before we even start on the quangocracy.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Right now it’s being steadily bought up by the likes of James Dyson instead. Is that really an improvement?
Come on, if the government really wanted to stop James Dyson and a few others using it as a tax haven they could do it at a few strokes of an HMRC bureaucrats pen. This is nothing to do with that, it is about the Labour Party's inability to understand business and a large part of it's support base either not understanding or hating the farming community. Like they always do, they have used envy to try to garner support by pretending that if someone has a large farming asset value then they have "broad shoulders" when the reality is that most farmers earn less than most public sector pensioners earn
Maybe they should sell the land to someone who can use it more productively then?
We could turn it into housing, or factories, and import our food instead. They can get a job that pays well, we can use our finite land more efficiently, what is their to lose?
Unless they're not actually so impoverished and do want to keep their standard of living they are accustomed to?
It must be very difficult for you Bart. The envy you have for those who have what you do not must hurt so much. Here is a tip for you: spend less time on here talking bollocks and go and set up a business. Try and build it and work hard. You never know, one day you might be successful.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
The land has to be farmed - so if you have a tenant renting and farming the land from you that’s enough
An obvious tweak (there are lots of obvious tweaks and I don’t know why they’ve not been done yet, but there’s still time) would have been to put a holding period test into the rules. If the land had been in the same ownership for say 20 years before inheritance then no IHT.
Actually an even simpler tweak would be not to bother with IHT - it’s unpopular among almost the entire electorate - and move to annual land value taxation, with lower rates for agricultural land.
Always worth reminding farmers though that if they gift the farm 7 years or more before death then it’s completely IHT free. They can still keep the house and even a portion of the farm up to the limit. But it’s mentally hard to do. I know a farmer who is still waiting to inherit in his 50s, and doesn’t feel he can make the changes and innovations he wants until the old boy has shuffled off to the next life.
I completely agree that an annual land value tax would be simpler & fairer than IHT & a bunch of other weird land taxes, but unfortunately it’s wildly unpopular with the electorate: Taxing granny on her £2million four bed London home that she’s bouncing around in by herself is just not acceptable in any way.
Its unpopular because people like me who rent will get it passed on to us
Sort of on topic this is Kemi Badenoch's speech today. I would deconstruct all the contradictions in it, but the masterpiece of bonkers simply defeats me.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
Just because we don’t agree with you doesn’t make us thick. Grow up. Almost as immature as the lazy “lefties hate farmers” analysis.
Thanks for your lazy attempt to patronise me, but I'm quite grown up thanks, and having seen some of your very simplistic posts before, I think your suggestion might be a little bit of psychological projection. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but when they are unable to grasp simple concepts then yeh, I will call them thick. There is no rationale to this tax change. Starmer says only a few farmers will be hit which is lie, otherwise, what the fuck is the point in doing it?
PS liked the later addition/edit to your post. Your wit caught up with the slowness of your general simplistic lefty thought process?
At the end of the day not hating farmers and not agreeing that farmers should be entitled to inherit multi million pound assets at a much lower tax rate than everyone else is a consistent position. I understand your point about the fact it’s a going concern but the reality is inheriting a going concern is a privilege in of itself. That is, unfortunately, a fact. I personally support other ways of supporting farmers and farming without the state subsidising certain people’s inheritances.
How is it the state 'subsidising' anything? The state has been taxing people all their lives, why should it autmatocally receive another great chunk of what's left when they're dead?
You should be asking why anyone pays it, not why farmers don't.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
It’s a business asset: everybody else has to pay it, why should farmers be exempt? The land will still get farmed by somebody.
That's if you like the idea of farms being bought up steadily by corporations. That's worked out so very well in the US. Almost as well as their healthcare system. Or democracy, come to think of it.
Right now it’s being steadily bought up by the likes of James Dyson instead. Is that really an improvement?
Come on, if the government really wanted to stop James Dyson and a few others using it as a tax haven they could do it at a few strokes of an HMRC bureaucrats pen. This is nothing to do with that, it is about the Labour Party's inability to understand business and a large part of it's support base either not understanding or hating the farming community. Like they always do, they have used envy to try to garner support by pretending that if someone has a large farming asset value then they have "broad shoulders" when the reality is that most farmers earn less than most public sector pensioners earn
Maybe they should sell the land to someone who can use it more productively then?
We could turn it into housing, or factories, and import our food instead. They can get a job that pays well, we can use our finite land more efficiently, what is their to lose?
Unless they're not actually so impoverished and do want to keep their standard of living they are accustomed to?
It must be very difficult for you Bart. The envy you have for those who have what you do not must hurt so much. Here is a tip for you: spend less time on here talking bollocks and go and set up a business. Try and build it and work hard. You never know, one day you might be successful.
Why would I be envious of those you pretend are so impoverished they can't afford to pay a fraction of the taxes everyone else pays?
If it were up to me though I'd go the other way. Slash taxes on income and put up taxes on land instead. If people are too impoverished to pay the taxes, they can sell it, but if they work hard they'll be able to keep their income. Surely you would support that, unless you're full of shit?
So do I. You cannot tell me that there's not a vast mountain of waste to cut through before a penny more in taxes on top of their current eye-watering levels is needed. Any more taxes and we won't have an economy to pay the taxes.
On my first day in office, I met the then Permanent Secretary to the Treasury. He told me that his most difficult problem was finding me an office. (He never did.) That set the tone of the Treasury’s approach to confronting waste.
I did manage to cancel 33 government property leases in London, which saved about £1 billion (only £199 billion to go!). But the biggest termination of all, signed and sealed by two cabinet ministers and myself, was overturned after I left (102 Petty France, overlooking St James’s Park). Why?Simply because the civil servants didn’t want to lose the lovely view.
Last week the government answered a written parliamentary question on the amount of overpayments made through Universal Credit, which amounts to nearly £6 billion a year. And yet at the same time they have introduced a controversial death tax on farmers which might generate a tenth of that. The truth is, it is much easier for the administrative machine to slam in a new tax than do the difficult work of running the state more effectively.
And so it goes on. This organisation needs to get the Doge treatment and then some - and that's before we even start on the quangocracy.
There's not a vast mountain of waste.
There is a massive perceived mountain of waste. But not an actual massive mountain of waste.
"I would rather be governed by someone who would imprison or kill me if I criticised him than be governed by Keir Starmer"
More from Jeremy Clarkson as we get it.
The right in the UK has lost its mind.
Tax dodging farmers like Clarkson really do hate Starmer.
I think all farmers hate Starmer and Rachel From Accounts, along with most people who run businesses. The reason why privately held businesses (including farms) were inheritance tax free was because it enabled the next generation to continue the business as a viable entity, whereas if some c*ntish government made up of fuckwits who don't understand business insist on taxing the asset value causing it to become unviable.
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
The problem is that farm land is now an IHT dodgy as demonstrated by Dyson and to a less extent Mr Clarkson who bought the land first and then discovered a decent idea for a TV series second.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
I completely agree. Farms have been used as tax havens by some, but the percentage is tiny. HMRC could easily put in rules to distinguish between proper working farms and those that have been used as tax havens, but the current government would rather hammer farmers because they don't generally vote Labour.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
HMRC /already/ has rules that specify that you have to actually farm the land if you want to qualify for the 0-rating on IHT for farmland. This has not stopped people like Clarkson, Dyson et al from pouring their wealth into farmland in order to avoid paying IHT.
The land has to be farmed - so if you have a tenant renting and farming the land from you that’s enough
An obvious tweak (there are lots of obvious tweaks and I don’t know why they’ve not been done yet, but there’s still time) would have been to put a holding period test into the rules. If the land had been in the same ownership for say 20 years before inheritance then no IHT.
Actually an even simpler tweak would be not to bother with IHT - it’s unpopular among almost the entire electorate - and move to annual land value taxation, with lower rates for agricultural land.
Always worth reminding farmers though that if they gift the farm 7 years or more before death then it’s completely IHT free. They can still keep the house and even a portion of the farm up to the limit. But it’s mentally hard to do. I know a farmer who is still waiting to inherit in his 50s, and doesn’t feel he can make the changes and innovations he wants until the old boy has shuffled off to the next life.
I completely agree that an annual land value tax would be simpler & fairer than IHT & a bunch of other weird land taxes, but unfortunately it’s wildly unpopular with the electorate: Taxing granny on her £2million four bed London home that she’s bouncing around in by herself is just not acceptable in any way.
Its unpopular because people like me who rent will get it passed on to us
The price you pay is set by demand for rental properties.
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(Having said that, a bright orange Centurion trundling around the M25 would be quite something).
Who will die in office first? Putin or Trump.
Though I think the 41% of Gen Z who he quotes as not wanting to fight to protect their country probably don't want to defend a country with people like Clarkson in it, rather than because Mr Starmer is leading it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/17/irish-figures-show-6bn-drop-in-trade-with-great-britain
..Trade between Great Britain and Ireland dropped more than €6bn in 2024 as post-Brexit frictions hit shipments across the Irish Sea.
The value of imports and exports between the nations fell to about €32bn last year, down from €38bn in 2023, according to Ireland’s Central Statistics Office.
A near-€3bn drop in chemical exports from Ireland to the UK and a €1.6bn fall in shipments of gas and lubricants from Britain into Ireland contributed to the slump in trade.
Overall, exports from Ireland to Great Britain decreased by 10% to just under €16bn year on year, while imports from Britain to Ireland dropped by 21% to €16.6bn...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IEwBrJzhlg
Loser
Alastair Meeks https://bsky.app/profile/alastairmeeks.bsky.social
I'd thought that Sir Keir Starmer was the wrong sort of politician for the age. But looking at Kemi Badenoch, it's clear that there are some considerably less suited for it.
17 February 2025 at 12:24
https://bsky.app/profile/alastairmeeks.bsky.social/post/3lieqhkhocc2p
If the next generation decide not to do the hard work or take any further risks and realise the asset value and sell up then they pay tax in the form of CGT.
There we are, thick people, I have explained why the IHT for family farms and private businesses is iniquitous and will damage the country generally.
So the ideal solution is to work out how to solve things in a way that allows the farm to continue while the IHT dodgers get captured - problem is HMRC isn’t clever enough to do that so they implemented a different solution.
Clarkson admit he only became a farmer for the tax benefits.
We need all the revenue to help fund our defence budgets for rearmament.
You can't oppose cutting it while promising to slash £100bn+ from spending as it is the definition of something people who get it like and may find useful but is not something a super slimmed down state should or could do.
Under current rules if you inherit a business, not only is it IHT free, but you also get a step up in CGT base cost to fair market value. So you can do nothing with it and then sell for no gain, tax free.
One of the reforms that would make a lot of sense is to retain full IHT exemption on business assets but remove the step up on death. Then the next generation would have the option either to continue to run and grow the business, or sell up but pay the tax.
If you want to keep doing that, you have to keep upping the ante. Worse still, you risk being driven mad by listening to the bobbins you are saying.
Either way, you always have the risk tipping over into saying things that actually are unsayable.
I'm sure we can all think of case studies of that happening.
I would prefer them to tax people with massive public sector pension pots, or better still silver-spooned millionaire city lawyers and accountants that hide behind dodgy LLP structures where they pretend to be "partners" and "self employed" where most of them couldn't start a company for themselves if their featherbedded life depended on it.
Anybody who says they prefer Putin over Starmer will be reported to Prevent, I have your email addresses and your IP addresses, the Online Safety Act commands me to make such a referral.
https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/1891533180823380033
Zelensky simply said no, but it's fairly clear that the US under Trump, just wants to grift what it can, and damn the consequences.
Not that this is what Clarkson is doing. He is just being Clarkson. But subconsciouly he must know it is the case or he wouldn't be so daft.
I am told the original document stipulated that this agreement between the US and Ukrainian governments would be governed under.. NY State law!
Other issues here:
- Request to sign an agreement that says “Pre-decisional & Deliberative”
- No specification on the timeframe for the license payments - in perpetuity or limited in some form?
- US commitments are extremely vague. I am told the original draft didn’t include any, which would have made it unenforceable under NY law (you have to have future considerations included in a contract)
https://x.com/DAlperovitch/status/1891524427960975591
He might be president, and a billionaire, but at heart he's still a low rent grifter.
That’s quite the deal compared to the one everyone else gets for paying IHT.
Farmland prices should drop as a result of this change, which will ultimately be beneficial to UK farmers who want to actually buy land & farm it profitably.
Unfortunately they won’t drop down to the price that would make sense to farm as a going concern because of the potential for any agricultural land to be given planning permission for housing. The solution to his is for the government to take the uplift in land values from being given planning permission. I expect absolute explosions from the usual suspects when/if this gets implemented - IIRC it was hinted at in the Labour manifesto but not made explicit.
That quite Putinist, really, if you think about it.
It is necessary to demonstrate that you have a business and it returns accounts etc. etc. but it is not particularly onerous. HMRC can think of all sorts of ridiculous hoops for most things and this challenge to differentiate between those who have largely invested for IHT relief and "proper farmers" is perfectly possible.
There is a simple reason they have not been instructed thus: lefties hate farmers!
It's not much of a tax dodge, if you have to pay tax to get your money out.
Public's intuition is for a peace-protection role in Ukraine
62-65% across LD, Lab, Cons
Reform split (43% for/35% against) shows gulf between the most vocal and the more casual swing Reform voter. Reform's Very Online advocates on X are different to their target voters
https://x.com/sundersays/status/1891445907423392045\
This though is an interesting detail:
On many issues, Reform swing voters [those who join if poll above 14%] have contrasting views to a core 7% represented vocally in activists & online
Many examples
- Ukraine
- Oppose net zero
- Trump
- Musk
- Tommy Robinson
Replace NHS (may not be strong in core either)
Who are the PB core Reform, and who the swingers ?
I expect that at the next few elections Labour will keep on reminding voters of the Liz Truss interregnum because quite frankly only Radiohead have a worse record than Liz Truss.
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/10/25/gone-but-not-forgotten/
{Switches on excessively bright desk lamp}
Python programming?
Actually an even simpler tweak would be not to bother with IHT - it’s unpopular among almost the entire electorate - and move to annual land value taxation, with lower rates for agricultural land.
Always worth reminding farmers though that if they gift the farm 7 years or more before death then it’s completely IHT free. They can still keep the house and even a portion of the farm up to the limit. But it’s mentally hard to do. I know a farmer who is still waiting to inherit in his 50s, and doesn’t feel he can make the changes and innovations he wants until the old boy has shuffled off to the next life.
"Farmers get a) a lower rate of IHT and b) ten years to pay it."
Fucking marvellous mate! When you inherit granny's bungalow that you have your eye on for years you won't be SAD about selling it because you don't need it to earn your living. This is the difference between inheriting a farm or a business and inheriting almost anything else. The asset is required to keep the business viable you fuckwit, and it doesnt matter that you have 10 years to pay it off because perhaps now the business is no longer viable.
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FUCKING THICK?
All political wings are as bad as each other on this. Seems to be a standard social media rhetorical device.
obviously....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaB3ke4SHKE
There are ways of exemption family farms while hitting the land speculators and IHT dodgers.
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1891524318229594455?t=RUUJVOxx-rMddtWiMfMxVA&s=19
Most non-business owners who inherit will inherit something that they don't need and they will dispose of it, such as granny's bungalow. They do not use the inheritance asset as a way of earning their living, so having to put a percentage of it towards Rachel Reeves so she can reward herself more expenses and her friends in the public sector more pay is not going to damage their ability to make a living or stop them hiring someone else.
PS liked the later addition/edit to your post. Your wit caught up with the slowness of your general simplistic lefty thought process?
AFAIK the offer is still open. Anyone wanting to take up the offer?
https://tass.com/politics/1831019
We could turn it into housing, or factories, and import our food instead. They can get a job that pays well, we can use our finite land more efficiently, what is their to lose?
Unless they're not actually so impoverished and do want to keep their standard of living they are accustomed to?
Reform tend to have bits of car parts.
This is the former Minister for Efficiency:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-impossible-task-as-minister-for-efficiency/
I did manage to cancel 33 government property leases in London, which saved about £1 billion (only £199 billion to go!). But the biggest termination of all, signed and sealed by two cabinet ministers and myself, was overturned after I left (102 Petty France, overlooking St James’s Park). Why?Simply because the civil servants didn’t want to lose the lovely view.
Last week the government answered a written parliamentary question on the amount of overpayments made through Universal Credit, which amounts to nearly £6 billion a year. And yet at the same time they have introduced a controversial death tax on farmers which might generate a tenth of that. The truth is, it is much easier for the administrative machine to slam in a new tax than do the difficult work of running the state more effectively.
And so it goes on. This organisation needs to get the Doge treatment and then some - and that's before we even start on the quangocracy.
https://www.conservatives.com/news/kemi-alliance-for-responsible-citizenship-speech
And yes, whoever said Jeremy Corbyn was unfairly treated was correct. I disagreed with everything he did, but at least it made some kind of sense.
You should be asking why anyone pays it, not why farmers don't.
If it were up to me though I'd go the other way. Slash taxes on income and put up taxes on land instead. If people are too impoverished to pay the taxes, they can sell it, but if they work hard they'll be able to keep their income. Surely you would support that, unless you're full of shit?
There is a massive perceived mountain of waste. But not an actual massive mountain of waste.