But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
At this rate of barrel-scraping, I won't be surprised if the mokes get another ride.
Hell, even HYUFD didn't know whether to attack or compliment SKS.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM fully educated at a comprehensive school (closest was Brown but he was hot housed in separate classes), whereas we have had a Tory PM fully educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch went to a state FE college for her UK secondary education unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education.
Whereas at least 3 election winning Conservative PMs were state educated, Heath, Thatcher and Major and May also partly was state educated and technically won in 2017 even if not a majority.
If Farage were to somehow win the next general election he too would be a privately educated general election winner
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM fully educated at a comprehensive school (closest was Brown but he was hot housed in separate classes), whereas we have had a Tory PM fully educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch went to a state FE college for her UK secondary education unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
And tdhe point about Brown was that the Scottish comptehensive tradition allowed for that sort of thing. So you can't claim it as anti-comprehensive.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Neither Le Pen's Rassemblement in France nor Reform are "far right".
Rassemblement has leftish socio-economic policies; Reform's are mere make believe: tax cuts, spending increases and decreased borrowimg and deficit.
But unlike MAGA, Reform has shown no signs of wanting to assault democracy.
Unfortunately, it also shows no sign of any idea of how to wean the UK off immigration.
Le Pen gave an interview this week where she dismissed the idea of cutting the public sector as "right-wing stuff" and said that the focus should be on whether the state can carry out its functions properly first.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
My official ruling is that there are 29576 angels on this pinhead.
If a paradigm has shifted, it’s the fall of the free trade pro business conservative centre right replaced by the nationalist, protectionist “fuck business” populist right.
Yes, I think that's correct
Britain has enjoyed or endured spectacular levels of immigration in the last 10-20 years. We are constantly assured this contributes to growth. Yet, as @Sandpit shows, the reality is that GDP per capita has not grown at all even as our population has exploded by many millions, putting pressure on everything - from sewage systems to landscapes, from education to health. Meanwhile our cities crumble and we have very real and unpleasant social problems stemming from the migration
Now we are told "another 5 million must come in the next ten years". Why? What the fuck? We don't want any more. Polls show that voters - by almost 2 to 1 - would rather have LESS immigration EVEN IF IT COMES AT THE EXPENSE OF GROWTH
No one buys the "growth" shit any more, and even if they do, they are past caring
I think that's true. There are exceptions for very highly motivated or wealthy individuals, but generally per capita growth does not generally come from opening the floodgates to unskilled or semi-skilled immigration - it comes from low taxes, low but efficient government spending and light but effective regulation.
In short the exact opposite of the route we've been following for more than twenty years.
Yes. And the public has finally woken up to this reality. Hence the paradigm shift
Here's a good thought experiment - imagine a scenario where we get a Reform/Tory government next time out and they get serious about immigration, not only do we pause inwards migration from people with income under £50-60k we also pause visa renewals and revoke visas for immigrants who earn under £35k. This results in net emigration of 300-400k per year as low wage workers and their dependents are forced to leave the country. It will result in overall growth falling due to falling aggregate demand from those 400k leaving but per capita GDP will rise as there's 400k fewer low and no wage people in the country.
We may have headlines showing the country in recession or zero growth but people will feel better off because within a few years of such action there will be a couple of million fewer people relying on the state for welfare for their dependents (education for many kids, NHS care for families, in some insane cases housing benefits) while removing net negative tax contributions from them.
In a falling or stagnating economy, we can achieve pretty strong net growth in per capita GDP if the government halts low wage immigration and revokes visa status for low wage migrants already in the country. It is within our power to fix this and send these people home unless they have a significant contribution to the tax base of the country which we know only starts at about £45k.
That's entirely true, but it would be enormously disruptive and the market wage for shelf stackers and social care workers would rocket. The NHS in particular would come under huge funding pressure, particularly as it already suffers from Baumol's cost disease. And if you thought the reaction to employer NICs was bad....
But we would finally fix our unusually bad problem with (relative) in-work poverty. PB doesn't like relative measures, but it's really important here for making work at the bottom of the labour market pay for a half decent lifestyle, with median wages the price setter for stuff like eating out.
So it would need to be brought in very gradually. In the long term, it must be accompanied with something that makes having children very attractive - income tax break allowances, council tax exemptions, stamp duty abolished etc. Otherwise the dependency ratio - which isn't too bad with current immigration levels - would spiral out of control.
Immigration drives up rent and property prices and makes it much more difficult for middle income families to have more children. Net emigration of 2-3m of low wage people and their dependents over 5 years would see a huge drop in property demand which would lower rent and stall house prices while also increasing GDP per capita so people will feel better off.
Immigration is a bit like a heroin addict thinking that one more hit will make them feel better. That's the situation we're in right now, we don't want to go through the short term pain of cold turkey which will make a lot of headline numbers look bad but in 5-7 years rebalance the whole economy with, as you point out, pay at the bottom of the scale looking liveable, lower rents, more affordable housing, falling demand leading to lower inflation overall. The country is at breaking point, we simply don't have the capacity in infrastructure to take another 5m people, in fact with the infrastructure we have the country is probably about 3m overpopulated. People including us, talk about lack of infrastructure investment over the last 20 years but the maths of our low wage immigration is the cause of this. We've grown the population from 60m to about 68m, but the economy has grown by far, far less than that population growth should be worth. That has left little to no money for infrastructure, the migrants that have arrived all have dependents and need welfare spending (healthcare, education) which means the government has had to increase spending in these areas more than the tax that those people generate, hence borrowing rising and taxe rates increasing and the overall proportion of the economy accounted for by state spending continually rising.
Immigration must fall rapidly and, I think, in the next government term it must move into a prolonged period of net emigration of low wage and low skill workers. A minimum salary bar of £55-60k for migrants should be implemented for people with dependents and £45-50k for single people. If that causes a labour shortage in healthcare it will force wages to rise and the lazy unemployed/"sick" can actually do some work for once.
Or, put another way, I'll be fine but good luck if you require public services.
But immigration hugely increases demand for public services and welfare. They increase overall aggregate demand by a much larger amount than their contribution. It is why immigration has resulting in falling GDP per capita so no, reducing immigration and moving into net emigration of low skill and low wage workers will reduce demand more than it reduces their contribution meaning more overall resource per person.
You have completely ignored the actual result of immigration for the past decade to draw your pithy one liner which makes you a fool.
I am very aware that non-EU immigration has soared since we left the EU and that non-EU migrants do tend to be lower paid, are more likely to have dependents and may not generate as much taxable income as EU migrants did. However, the new arrivals are here because we need them to keep aspects of the country that you do not need or notice going.
So your argument is that Boris Johnson was acting altruistically out of concern for the less well off?
Not at all. I think he has always been and always will be a bullshitter, interested only in mugging a living, and lying his way to the trappings of power.
Brexit allows UK government control of migration into UK? But at what impact to the size and nature of the British economy? The same British Economy that puts money in everybody’s pocket and pays the public service bills and pensions at the end of the day. That key element of Brexit implementation was never clearly spelt out amongst all Boris and Farage big promises and bluster.
The UK government can only stop importing migration by saying fuck business, and apart from muttering it, those in power implementing Brexit have left the reigns free on business to do pretty much what ever they like, with a “this is caps and stringent rules now post Brexit… apart these billion opt outs.” Swiftly followed by another tranche of loosening, and another tranche of loosening until, guess what, back in exactly the same place as before Brexit implementation.
Brexit is already a dead duck - it was based on the twin whoppers it generates money for public services like NHS, and that it will allow UK to control immigration. Both these lies are already politically coming home to roost in just five years!
We entered the EEC to generate money by removing hidden and admin costs on business, and on exit we reversed exactly that. We lost far more than we gained.
And back in the day @williamglenn knew this. He used to make a compelling case that the UK had, in 2016, voted to impose absurd economic sanctions on itself. And then having climbed out of the Trump rabbit hole he fell back down again.
Williamglenn is quite consistent in believing in empires and federalism, be they European, American or Anglospheric.
He's just changed his mind on which is/should be in the ascendancy.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
No, MacDonald and Callaghan did not go to comps.
Brown effectively went to a grammar school given his hot housed classes by academic selection and as I said of those Labour PMs who won general elections more went to private school than Tory general election winners
Neither Le Pen's Rassemblement in France nor Reform are "far right".
Rassemblement has leftish socio-economic policies; Reform's are mere make believe: tax cuts, spending increases and decreased borrowimg and deficit.
But unlike MAGA, Reform has shown no signs of wanting to assault democracy.
Unfortunately, it also shows no sign of any idea of how to wean the UK off immigration.
Le Pen gave an interview this week where she dismissed the idea of cutting the public sector as "right-wing stuff" and said that the focus should be on whether the state can carry out its functions properly first.
Macron's government is economically right of and more classically liberal than both Le Pen and Melenchon's blocks. Le Pen is just more of a nationalist, more protectionist and harder on immigration than Macron is
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
It is so ridiculous and British to obsess over where people went to school forty years ago as though that matters a damn compared to trivia like what policies they have for the future of the country.
I don't care in the slightest whether somebody went to Eton or the worst sink school in the country as long as they have some idea how to make it a better place.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
It is so ridiculous and British to obsess over where people went to school forty years ago as though that matters a damn compared to trivia like what policies they have for the future of the country.
I don't care in the slightest whether somebody went to Eton or the worst sink school in the country as long as they have some idea how to make it a better place.
Exactly, look at the way HYUFD is fiddling the data. Even anxiously pretending that a small Scottish parish school can't be counted as a comprehensive.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Sam Stein @samstein · 2h This came in after the piece was published. But one fed worker told the story of her manager, a married gay woman, calling the team together to read instructions about removing references to gender and sexual orientation from agency materials, tears streaming down her face.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Not really. Private school does not equal "better educated" nor does it equal "more intelligent" or "better suited to the job".
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
It is so ridiculous and British to obsess over where people went to school forty years ago as though that matters a damn compared to trivia like what policies they have for the future of the country.
I don't care in the slightest whether somebody went to Eton or the worst sink school in the country as long as they have some idea how to make it a better place.
Exactly, look at the way HYUFD is fiddling the data. Even anxiously pretending that a small Scottish parish school can't be counted as a comprehensive.
Brown effectively had an academically selective grammar school education for most of his secondary education. Wilson was grammar school educated too as indeed was Corbyn and as per the original discussion so was Starmer grammar educated until it became a private school for sixth form.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Not really. Private school does not equal "better educated" nor does it equal "more intelligent" or "better suited to the job".
I wasn’t implying that private education means any of that.
I was saying that the governance structure of the school someone goes to is irrelevant to their ability to be PM.
Your response suggests you believe that state education is intrinsically “better” than private education
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Not really. Private school does not equal "better educated" nor does it equal "more intelligent" or "better suited to the job".
I wasn’t implying that private education means any of that.
I was saying that the governance structure of the school someone goes to is irrelevant to their ability to be PM.
Reform will be found out in government because they do not have a coherent plan. The same reason Labour are being found out, and the Conservatives were found out. There has been no coherent plan since the coalition.
Reform - From the people who brought you Brexit. Should be enough to sink them,
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Reform will be found out in government because they do not have a coherent plan. The same reason Labour are being found out, and the Conservatives were found out. There has been no coherent plan since the coalition.
Reform - From the people who brought you Brexit. Should be enough to sink them,
Although Brexit had to happen to prove it was a bad idea. I hope the same doesn't apply to a Reform government. Let's be a bit shrewder and decide we don't want it before we buy rather than afterwards.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Not really. Private school does not equal "better educated" nor does it equal "more intelligent" or "better suited to the job".
I wasn’t implying that private education means any of that.
I was saying that the governance structure of the school someone goes to is irrelevant to their ability to be PM.
My apologies. I agree with that statement.
The problem I think isn't to do with their schooling as such but the people they mingle with as they grow up....I often get the impression from mp's that they think of poor people as those that can only goto a restaurant once a week
I don't get the impression therefore that they grew up with people who had only a coal fire in one room of the house so you got home from school and went to bed just to keep warm. Or people that never got a new piece of clothing it was hand me downs or jumble sales, hole in the knee of your jeans didn't mean a new pair of jeans it meant getting a patch on it. Or watching your parents say I am not hungry while you tuck into a sandwich which is the only food left in the house.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Two meanings:
(a) a lot better for comps than HYUFD's negative approach - his metric
(b) arguably better as more representative of the body politic in a very important area of life - my partial view
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
We're some way off, certainly.
His lackey is currently sacking the prosecutors who were assigned to the cases against the Jan 6 rioters / insurrectionists, and are reviewing the many thousands of DoJ civil servants who were involved for "personnel actions".
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Not really. Private school does not equal "better educated" nor does it equal "more intelligent" or "better suited to the job".
I wasn’t implying that private education means any of that.
I was saying that the governance structure of the school someone goes to is irrelevant to their ability to be PM.
My apologies. I agree with that statement.
It's irrelevant to education? Resources are irrelevant to education? Social attitudes are irrelevant to education? Sectarian beliefs of any kind are irrelevant to education? I am not so sure, in a state where school governance is ALL about those things, and made far more so in the last decade.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
What are the odds on Canada bringing in tariffs on Teslas?
They sell 50k per year.
(Today Chump & Co have also expelled NPR from their office in the DoD (ie Pentagon, I think) that they have had for many decades, and replaced them with Breitbart.)
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Not so way off.
-Release of large numbers of violent men who savagely assaulted people and sought to overturn the democratic process? -Large numbers of former opponents falling into line as they see the lie of the land -Placemen of no ability put in high position for which they have no qualification -Systematic use of the lie direct.
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
Or, if you are wearing a MAGA hat "WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL PARDON YOU!"
What are the odds on Canada bringing in tariffs on Teslas?
They sell 50k per year.
(Today Chump & Co have also expelled NPR from their office in the DoD (ie Pentagon, I think) that they have had for many decades, and replaced them with Breitbart.)
It does seem a strange place for Northern Powerhouse Rail to have an office.
Reform will be found out in government because they do not have a coherent plan. The same reason Labour are being found out, and the Conservatives were found out. There has been no coherent plan since the coalition.
Reform - From the people who brought you Brexit. Should be enough to sink them,
Although Brexit had to happen to prove it was a bad idea. I hope the same doesn't apply to a Reform government. Let's be a bit shrewder and decide we don't want it before we buy rather than afterwards.
After all the ructions we've been through in recent years I'm not going to say never, but the prospect of a Reform Government - even as a minority propped up by a rump Tory party - seems highly unlikely. Rather like the Liberal Democrats before the Coalition, they're capable of racking up an awful lot of useless second and third places, but lack the concentrated support to get within a light year of a Parliamentary majority. Once you start to get deep into their target seats they're going to need very substantial swings and often in well-to-do places where the pool of support for a reactionary right-wing anger project is finite. This is not America.
I think that Reform is perfectly capable of becoming the third party and it might conceivably become the Opposition if it does especially well and the Conservatives perform even worse than last time, but they're not popular enough to get close to winning. The support is insufficient, and if they start to look like a serious threat then tactical voting will be deployed against them, the same as it was against the last Government.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Not so way off.
-Release of large numbers of violent men who savagely assaulted people and sought to overturn the democratic process? -Large numbers of former opponents falling into line as they see the lie of the land -Placemen of no ability put in high position for which they have no qualification -Systematic use of the lie direct.
More to follow no doubt.
We’ve had threats of military action against neighbours.
We’ve had the pardoning of what might be considered a pro-Trump paramilitary force.
We have the sacking of individuals (trans in this case) on grounds of personal characteristics.
Trump is also sacking individuals in various agencies, sometimes of roles properly the authority of Congress or the Senate. So far nobody has challenged him in this.
Musk also seems to have taken control of the Office of Personnel Management (essentially the Civil Service’s HR function) - under what authority its not clear - and it’s suggested he has access to all internal personnel files.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
The decision to give Ireland a penalty at 10-10 was fucking awful
Maro Itoje brushed the Irish jumper with the back of his wrist, and the ref called it pushing
It seemed to be a turning point to me
Still enjoyed the game though. Good international rugby matches are only bettered in sport, for me, by Ben Stokes winning Test matches from impossible positions
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
The Biden administration carried out numerous attacks in Somalia in recent years, if they didn't get the "ISIS Attack Planner" it's probably that the opportunity did not arise, not down to any reluctance to do so.
But he did, to all intents and purposes. It was free when he arrived and that was kept the case for any pupils present before the decision to go feepaying.
Basically Starmer started off in a grammar school which became a private school when he reached its sixth form.
So Sir Keir had a very Tory education essentially and never set foot in the local comp even if his initial secondary education was in a state grammar
If we’re back to the donkey sanctuary level of Keir attacks then maybe Labour isn’t doing as badly as I thought.
It remains a fact though that we have never had a Labour PM elected at a comprehensive school, whereas we have had a Tory PM educated at their local comp, Liz Truss.
Badenoch is also comp educated unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
That's being rather narrowly worded.
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop (b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period (c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
If you just look at general election winning Labour PMs ie MacDonald, Attlee, Wilson, Blair and Starmer 3/5 of them went to a private school for at least part of their education
Not allowed to change the goalposts! I'm glad you aren't in charge of any clinical trials for anything important.
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
Why is it a “better” ratio?
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
Two meanings:
(a) a lot better for comps than HYUFD's negative approach - his metric
(b) arguably better as more representative of the body politic in a very important area of life - my partial view
Diversity of thought is a good thing. Just because someone has a similar background to the majority of the body politic that doesn’t make them the best PM.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
Though honestly, Tesla is a moral maze. If it weren’t for that marque EVs would be at least a decade behind. Tesla was an important milestone on the way to stopping global warming. But Elon going fascist can’t just be excused. It’s a bit like Michael Jackson. Good enough music to justify continuing to listen to it unlike Gary Glitter, but serious enough dodginess to merit caveats at all times.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
The decision to give Ireland a penalty at 10-10 was fucking awful
Maro Itoje brushed the Irish jumper with the back of his wrist, and the ref called it pushing
It seemed to be a turning point to me
Still enjoyed the game though. Good international rugby matches are only bettered in sport, for me, by Ben Stokes winning Test matches from impossible positions
I was also somewhat surprised by the ref threatening yellows if there were any more afters, then the next guy who did it was Lowe, no yellow then creates the two tries.
We were sluggish in the second half, good in the first but I’m not sure that if the match had been at Twickenham that Ireland would have won. France will win the 6N, good outside chance of Scotland although I haven’t looked up where France/Scotland will be played this year.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
I think you flit from country to country as it suits you and have loyalty to none.....therefore as Mistress May named you....citizen of nowhere
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
I think you flit from country to country as it suits you and have loyalty to none.....therefore as Mistress May named you....citizen of nowhere
Well one advantage of living here is that there’s absolutely no chance of bumping into you.
I’m 100% convinced that you have incredibly bad body odour.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
I think you flit from country to country as it suits you and have loyalty to none.....therefore as Mistress May named you....citizen of nowhere
Well one advantage of living here is that there’s absolutely no chance of bumping into you.
I’m 100% convinced that you have incredibly bad body odour.
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
The Biden administration carried out numerous attacks in Somalia in recent years, if they didn't get the "ISIS Attack Planner" it's probably that the opportunity did not arise, not down to any reluctance to do so.
The hawkish element in US politics has always had a relationship with Islamic militants that is 'nuanced' for want of a better word.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
I think you flit from country to country as it suits you and have loyalty to none.....therefore as Mistress May named you....citizen of nowhere
Well one advantage of living here is that there’s absolutely no chance of bumping into you.
I’m 100% convinced that you have incredibly bad body odour.
"All my kids are vaccinated. I believe vaccines have saved millions of lives and play a critical role in health care."
RFK Jr to his own anti-vax organisation in 2020 on being able to go back in time and not vaccinate his children: “I would do anything for that. I would pay anything to be able to do that.”
It's a 45 minute anti-vaccine rant full of things that are just not true eg "vaccine manufacturers themselves list autism as a possible side effect". Interspersed with videos of children with RFK's emotional voice over "they'll never write a poem they'll never go on a date.... If i could save just one of them I would give up everything" it's really sickening
The guy makes a lot of money peddling this bullshit he's utterly despicable. And a shameless liar.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
I think you flit from country to country as it suits you and have loyalty to none.....therefore as Mistress May named you....citizen of nowhere
Well one advantage of living here is that there’s absolutely no chance of bumping into you.
I’m 100% convinced that you have incredibly bad body odour.
Why are right wingers allowed to use insults and invective on here "you (are) a citizen of nowhere" whilst a juvenile retort meets with outrage from fellow right wingers?
Dare I say, right wingers sometimes come across as precious princesses.
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
Unless you're a Fascist supporter trying to overthrow the government on behalf of Mr Small One.
In exciting and positive sporting news, Southampton FC had their first league win in ninety days
It was our second league win, and first away, of the season. We somehow managed to hold on to a lead in injury time
Saints only need three more points this season to keep the Rams as the worst ever Premier league team
Derby once got just eleven points. Forest fans hate them so much they'e been posting on the BBC match report comments supporting Southampton to keep Derby bottom
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
"All my kids are vaccinated. I believe vaccines have saved millions of lives and play a critical role in health care."
RFK Jr to his own anti-vax organisation in 2020 on being able to go back in time and not vaccinate his children: “I would do anything for that. I would pay anything to be able to do that.”
It's a 45 minute anti-vaccine rant full of things that are just not true eg "vaccine manufacturers themselves list autism as a possible side effect". Interspersed with videos of children with RFK's emotional voice over "they'll never write a poem they'll never go on a date.... If i could save just one of them I would give up everything" it's really sickening
The guy makes a lot of money peddling this bullshit he's utterly despicable. And a shameless liar.
The Mrs Merton question applies in both directions, I think.
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
Excitingly, I get to live it, like one of those “Travellers in the Third Reich”.
Interesting good excitement, or "oh [rude word deleted]" excitement?
It’s exciting and of course highly disturbing. Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
To be honest not sure you can claim to be an immigrant of anywhere...you were in NZ then UK now the states......seems you flit where suits you best...more a citizen of nowhere
You seem jealous.
Not at all just pointing out what you are rather than what you claim to be...no doubt if you as you say be affected by tariffs you will flit somewhere else
And no doubt, you’ll still be Slough, dribbling.
Nope moved but still in the uk, see I don't tend to move based on whats more tax efficient for me
You think I moved to New York for tax efficiency? Lol.
I think you flit from country to country as it suits you and have loyalty to none.....therefore as Mistress May named you....citizen of nowhere
Well one advantage of living here is that there’s absolutely no chance of bumping into you.
I’m 100% convinced that you have incredibly bad body odour.
Why are right wingers allowed to use insults and invective on here "you...are a citizen of nowhere" whilst a childish retort meets with outrage from fellow right wingers?
Dare I say, right wingers sometimes come across as precious princesses.
I am surprised by the intervention from @StillWaters who is himself an expatriate in the U.S…
I’ve read enough material on TwiX in the last couple of weeks to convince me that the USA isn’t just going through one of its periodic conniptions. It’s actually embracing fascist ideas. Now, it’s possible that’s just Elon’s algorithm wanting me to believe so, but the belief seems heartfelt. Belief like, for example in geopolitics and sovereignty, “what’s mine is mine, what’s yours is negotiable”. Putin logic.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military - Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians - Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
If you go by all the garbage you read in the Twitsapce:
- we're still in the EU - Jeremy Corbyn is PM. Or is it Nigel Farage? - Russia was in Kyiv in 2022 and is now somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean
etc etc etc
Getting your information about America from the Twatterati is like taking life advice from a hyperactive retarded 13-year-old.
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
Notable that across the world, people are (pretending) to bend the knee.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
The Biden administration carried out numerous attacks in Somalia in recent years, if they didn't get the "ISIS Attack Planner" it's probably that the opportunity did not arise, not down to any reluctance to do so.
It's a pretty safe assumption that anything Trump says is a lie, but as long as his apologists are in denial it isn't a waste of time to keep pointing this out.
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
Notable that across the world, people are (pretending) to bend the knee.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
Western politicians are happy to kiss the rings of China and Saudi. Trump is saintly in comparison.
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
Notable that across the world, people are (pretending) to bend the knee.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
The government kind of have to be diplomatic, thanks to the rules of diplomacy.
The Conservatives are free from that at the moment. Which is what makes their responses interesting.
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
Notable that across the world, people are (pretending) to bend the knee.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
Heh. But I don't think anyone here thinks for a minute that Mr Starmer or Lord Mandelbrot believe a word of it.
I'm interested in how many of the Conservatives actually do.
On Reform, do any of them swallow the bollocks, or not? Of their five MPs * how many are engaged enough to think about it? I don't know the answer to that.
* We need two more .. we only have Farage, Lowe, Anderson, Tice .. McMurdock, (Dibble, Grub).
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
Notable that across the world, people are (pretending) to bend the knee.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
Western politicians are happy to kiss the rings of China and Saudi. Trump is saintly in comparison.
"All my kids are vaccinated. I believe vaccines have saved millions of lives and play a critical role in health care."
RFK Jr to his own anti-vax organisation in 2020 on being able to go back in time and not vaccinate his children: “I would do anything for that. I would pay anything to be able to do that.”
It's a 45 minute anti-vaccine rant full of things that are just not true eg "vaccine manufacturers themselves list autism as a possible side effect". Interspersed with videos of children with RFK's emotional voice over "they'll never write a poem they'll never go on a date.... If i could save just one of them I would give up everything" it's really sickening
The guy makes a lot of money peddling this bullshit he's utterly despicable. And a shameless liar.
I actually think he believes this stuff. It’s the radicalisation spiral.
1) he fucked up a bunch of stuff earlier in life. 2) found the “pure food and water” thing 3) found money and praise. 4) the more extreme he became, the more money and praise. 5) all the praise and money means he feels right. Vindicated.
Various people on this board have described losing friends to alt-right and MAGA. Just because he is a Kennedy and has some fame, why is he different?
This doesn’t make his opinions or actions any more acceptable.
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
Notable that across the world, people are (pretending) to bend the knee.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
The government kind of have to be diplomatic, thanks to the rules of diplomacy.
The Conservatives are free from that at the moment. Which is what makes their responses interesting.
Twelve days ago a suitable number of a certain brand of Tory bigwigs were falling over each other to kiss the orange ring.
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
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Hell, even HYUFD didn't know whether to attack or compliment SKS.
Badenoch went to a state FE college for her UK secondary education unlike grammar and private school educated Starmer and privately educated Farage and Davey
(a) we've had very few Labour PMs [edit!] in the UK full stop
(b) comprehensive schools didn't exist for much of that period
(c) you're excluding Ramsay MacDonald because of your definitions. And ditto Jim Callaghan. So that's 2 out of 5 Labour PMs straight away.
Some worrying defensive wobbles, but best start to a 6N for a while. They were almost quick then.
Whereas at least 3 election winning Conservative PMs were state educated, Heath, Thatcher and Major and May also partly was state educated and technically won in 2017 even if not a majority.
If Farage were to somehow win the next general election he too would be a privately educated general election winner
It's the last ten minutes we have a problem with
MacDonalds, Callaghan, Brown went to comps or the equivalent. That is 3 out of 6. And one who began in a state school even if they changed it under his feet - and the transition period was barely halfway when he left. Only 2 out of 6 in private education. Infinitely better ratio than the Tories.
https://x.com/jl7508/status/1884746858800566448
Brown effectively went to a grammar school given his hot housed classes by academic selection and as I said of those Labour PMs who won general elections more went to private school than Tory general election winners
I don't care in the slightest whether somebody went to Eton or the worst sink school in the country as long as they have some idea how to make it a better place.
@samstein
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This came in after the piece was published. But one fed worker told the story of her manager, a married gay woman, calling the team together to read instructions about removing references to gender and sexual orientation from agency materials, tears streaming down her face.
https://x.com/samstein/status/1885720699018359254
Sam Stein
@samstein
NEW -- "It’s scary. It’s psychologically torture."
Trump builds a government of paranoia, retribution, and above all secrecy.
That implies bias. Surely we would want our PM to be the best educated irrespective o the governance structure of their school?
I was saying that the governance structure of the school someone goes to is irrelevant to their ability to be PM.
Your response suggests you believe that state education is intrinsically “better” than private education
Like @BlancheLivermore was saying.
Two quintessential Betas
Should be enough to sink them,
https://x.com/threshedthought/status/1885589822372208922
The UK is not a ‘project’.
It’s our country.
Fascist ideas are one thing. If they remain ideas, then that’s manageable. The question is will they turn into actions? So far there’s nothing beyond tetchy culture war yah boo stuff. The test cases for me will include:
- Greenland, Panama or Canada turning military
- Imprisonment of anti-Trump journalists or politicians
- Extra-judicial killings
I think we’re a way off for now. But the sentiment seems to be there.
I don't get the impression therefore that they grew up with people who had only a coal fire in one room of the house so you got home from school and went to bed just to keep warm. Or people that never got a new piece of clothing it was hand me downs or jumble sales, hole in the knee of your jeans didn't mean a new pair of jeans it meant getting a patch on it. Or watching your parents say I am not hungry while you tuck into a sandwich which is the only food left in the house.
England 22
(a) a lot better for comps than HYUFD's negative approach - his metric
(b) arguably better as more representative of the body politic in a very important area of life - my partial view
His lackey is currently sacking the prosecutors who were assigned to the cases against the Jan 6 rioters / insurrectionists, and are reviewing the many thousands of DoJ civil servants who were involved for "personnel actions".
They sell 50k per year.
(Today Chump & Co have also expelled NPR from their office in the DoD (ie Pentagon, I think) that they have had for many decades, and replaced them with Breitbart.)
And the shutdown of X (and, why not, Meta).
Co-ordinated with Mexico.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
This morning I ordered precision Military air strikes on the Senior ISIS Attack Planner and other terrorists he recruited and led in Somalia. These killers, who we found hiding in caves, threatened the United States and our Allies. The strikes destroyed the caves they live in, and killed many terrorists without, in any way, harming civilians. Our Military has targeted this ISIS Attack Planner for years, but Biden and his cronies wouldn’t act quickly enough to get the job done. I did! The message to ISIS and all others who would attack Americans is that “WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU!”
-Release of large numbers of violent men who savagely assaulted people and sought to overturn the democratic process?
-Large numbers of former opponents falling into line as they see the lie of the land
-Placemen of no ability put in high position for which they have no qualification
-Systematic use of the lie direct.
More to follow no doubt.
Also, I am an immigrant and although no doubt a privilged one, we all know such niceties stop mattering when a culture turns fash.
Also, economically I may well be affected by the tariffs, let’s see.
A fascinating study of corporate fraud.
I think that Reform is perfectly capable of becoming the third party and it might conceivably become the Opposition if it does especially well and the Conservatives perform even worse than last time, but they're not popular enough to get close to winning. The support is insufficient, and if they start to look like a serious threat then tactical voting will be deployed against them, the same as it was against the last Government.
We’ve had the pardoning of what might be considered a pro-Trump paramilitary force.
We have the sacking of individuals (trans in this case) on grounds of personal characteristics.
Trump is also sacking individuals in various agencies, sometimes of roles properly the authority of Congress or the Senate. So far nobody has challenged him in this.
Musk also seems to have taken control of the Office of Personnel Management (essentially the Civil Service’s HR function) - under what authority its not clear - and it’s suggested he has access to all internal personnel files.
Maro Itoje brushed the Irish jumper with the back of his wrist, and the ref called it pushing
It seemed to be a turning point to me
Still enjoyed the game though. Good international rugby matches are only bettered in sport, for me, by Ben Stokes winning Test matches from impossible positions
There's an Ashley Neal vid where his Tesla filmed a car bumping his whilst he was in the supermarket for shopping.
We were sluggish in the second half, good in the first but I’m not sure that if the match had been at Twickenham that Ireland would have won. France will win the 6N, good outside chance of Scotland although I haven’t looked up where France/Scotland will be played this year.
I’m 100% convinced that you have incredibly bad body odour.
"All my kids are vaccinated. I believe vaccines have saved millions of lives and play a critical role in health care."
RFK Jr to his own anti-vax organisation in 2020 on being able to go back in time and not vaccinate his children:
“I would do anything for that. I would pay anything to be able to do that.”
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/truth-with-robert-f-kennedy-jr/children8217s-health-epidemics-vaccine-injuries--more/
It's a 45 minute anti-vaccine rant full of things that are just not true eg "vaccine manufacturers themselves list autism as a possible side effect". Interspersed with videos of children with RFK's emotional voice over "they'll never write a poem they'll never go on a date.... If i could save just one of them I would give up everything" it's really sickening
The guy makes a lot of money peddling this bullshit he's utterly despicable. And a shameless liar.
Dare I say, right wingers sometimes come across as precious princesses.
Then, he will find you and will pardon you.
It was our second league win, and first away, of the season. We somehow managed to hold on to a lead in injury time
Saints only need three more points this season to keep the Rams as the worst ever Premier league team
Derby once got just eleven points. Forest fans hate them so much they'e been posting on the BBC match report comments supporting Southampton to keep Derby bottom
Does anyone have a decent impression where the various current senior Conservatives are in their attitudes to Mr Trump?
What about Kemi and her front-benchers, such as Chris Philp, or the more wing-swingers such as Jenrick? And about Braverman and Patel? And the others.
And what about the expelled but noisy, such as Truss, or the other I have forgotten, such as (checks) Mordaunt, Chalk, Keegan or Lucy Frazer?
I'm assuming that people like Tom Tugendhat or James Cleverly are behind the sofa somewhere looking in horror through their fingers - but what about Jeremy Hunt and Rishi Sunak?
And has Boris come slightly more to his senses? Though I hear (vaguely) that he has been chipping away at Trump's minions on behalf of Ukraine.
And what is someone like Miriam Cates' view now on Trump? I mention her because AIUI she is one of the enthusiasts for native fertility.
- we're still in the EU
- Jeremy Corbyn is PM. Or is it Nigel Farage?
- Russia was in Kyiv in 2022 and is now somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean
etc etc etc
Getting your information about America from the Twatterati is like taking life advice from a hyperactive retarded 13-year-old.
Including Sir Keith “Kid Starver” & his government.
We’ve even seen The Mandelbrot saying nice things about Big Orange.
The Conservatives are free from that at the moment. Which is what makes their responses interesting.
I'm interested in how many of the Conservatives actually do.
On Reform, do any of them swallow the bollocks, or not? Of their five MPs * how many are engaged enough to think about it? I don't know the answer to that.
* We need two more .. we only have Farage, Lowe, Anderson, Tice .. McMurdock, (Dibble, Grub).
After the election, one of Starmer's top aides in opposition told us colleagues left with no choice but to choose PM's politics & policy for him
"Keir’s not driving the train. He thinks he’s driving the train, but we’ve sat him at the front of the DLR”
1) he fucked up a bunch of stuff earlier in life.
2) found the “pure food and water” thing
3) found money and praise.
4) the more extreme he became, the more money and praise.
5) all the praise and money means he feels right. Vindicated.
Various people on this board have described losing friends to alt-right and MAGA. Just because he is a Kennedy and has some fame, why is he different?
This doesn’t make his opinions or actions any more acceptable.