The majority of western countries could end up with Trump-like leaders pretty soon. And all because the establishment leaders/parties wouldn't do things that most ordinary people support like securing borders, taking crime like shoplifting seriously, etc.
Trump said something very emphatically at one point in his speech.
"common sense."
Down at the Dog and Davey Lamp in Ashfield they will lap that up. A man is a man and a woman is a woman etc etc.
The majority of western countries could end up with Trump-like leaders pretty soon. And all because the establishment leaders/parties wouldn't do things that most ordinary people support like securing borders, taking crime like shoplifting seriously, etc.
Funny how the blame is always on those who fail to prevent the Trumps rather than the Trumps themselves. Cannot win really.
Edit: That's not a call for reflection, it's shifting responsibility and agency away from Trump types and those who back them - yes it needs to be understood and the Democrats and those like them have made choices helping to lead to people making the opposite choice, but the actions are not theirs.
Yes, it's the sort of reasoning you hear from particularly immature teenagers. "It's your fault I trashed my room. If you'd just let me play video games a bit longer, I'd never have done it."
On topic. It’s still socially unacceptable in the UK to admit you were relieved by the election of Trump, even if he is a bit of a bar steward. Anecdotally I think this is starting to recede. “I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but…” is something increasingly heard.
The But being variously fiscal discipline (relatively), credible deterrence to autocrats, the watering down of DEI, purring animal spirits etc…
One wonders how these British voters will assess the trump project if economically it’s a clear success and if by 2029 we see cargo landings on Mars. How many I wonder will claim that back in 2024 they always backed him over Biden? Not many dare say it today because it remains a thought crime. But I suspect it won’t stay that way for long.
LOL.
I don’t expect you to understand. But don’t say you weren’t warned. There are vastly more people in this country who are amenable to small state economics, a deterrent defence policy and secure borders than there are who currently admit in that poll that they are favourable to the new U.S. government. If it succeeds on its own terms, that sentiment will shift quite significantly and the consequent impact on UK politics might not be in the direction you would like.
Trump isn't about small state economics. He's a big borrow and spend merchant.
The majority of western countries could end up with Trump-like leaders pretty soon. And all because the establishment leaders/parties wouldn't do things that most ordinary people support like securing borders, taking crime like shoplifting seriously, etc.
Trump said something very emphatically at one point in his speech.
"common sense."
Down at the Dog and Davey Lamp in Ashfield they will lap that up. A man is a man and a woman is a woman etc etc.
Actually it's the Rifle Volunteer, and the phrase he uses is "Capital of Common Sense".
On topic. It’s still socially unacceptable in the UK to admit you were relieved by the election of Trump, even if he is a bit of a bar steward. Anecdotally I think this is starting to recede. “I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but…” is something increasingly heard.
The But being variously fiscal discipline (relatively), credible deterrence to autocrats, the watering down of DEI, purring animal spirits etc…
One wonders how these British voters will assess the trump project if economically it’s a clear success and if by 2029 we see cargo landings on Mars. How many I wonder will claim that back in 2024 they always backed him over Biden? Not many dare say it today because it remains a thought crime. But I suspect it won’t stay that way for long.
LOL.
I don’t expect you to understand. But don’t say you weren’t warned. There are vastly more people in this country who are amenable to small state economics, a deterrent defence policy and secure borders than there are who currently admit in that poll that they are favourable to the new U.S. government. If it succeeds on its own terms, that sentiment will shift quite significantly and the consequent impact on UK politics might not be in the direction you would like.
Trump isn't about small state economics. He's a big borrow and spend merchant.
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
The chumps are struggling because they can't blame a slip of the hand when he did it twice.
Doesn't look like a Hitler salute to me.
It wasn't a Hitler salute.
And it's pretty dumb that we're debating whether or not it was.
Well what was it?
How often do you find yourself doing an accidental, chest pump and flat palmed salute?
If you watch it, I think he's trying to say "from the heart" or something. I'm being generous - it looks very like the Nazi salutes you see football ultras do in Europe.
Given the recent comments by Trump about election machines and Musk in Pennsylvania, as well as the messianic inaugaration speech - "they tried to shoot me but God saved me" - it's all going about as well as was expected.
“Lorenzo Sewell, the pastor that spoke at Trump’s inauguration earlier today, urged people on social media to buy “the official Lorenzo Sewell” cryptocurrency.”
For the love of god don't buy the unofficial Lorenzo Sewell cryptocurrency.
I suppose it's a matter of faith. But, whatever you do, don't let anyone dump your hard drive:
'A judge has thrown out a man's attempt to sue a council to recover from a rubbish tip a Bitcoin hard drive that is now worth about £598m.
James Howells had argued that his former partner had mistakenly dumped the hard drive containing a Bitcoin wallet in 2013, and he wanted to access the site and recover the cryptocurrency.
But Newport council asked a High Court judge to strike out Mr Howells' legal action to access the landfill or get £495m in compensation.'
I'm curious as to how much it would cost to dig up the old computer.
Offer Newport council a few hundred million if its successful and it would be ridiculous not to give it a go.
So ridiculous that it might see another party taking control at the next election.
Before we start there is no guarantee that the ex wife placed the black bag directly in the general waste skip. People I know who work there are unsure whether it went into the landfill site or went for recycling at Sims Metals WEEE plant and has been shredded and sent to China for reprocessing a decade ago.
Howells has had potential investments of several million pounds to dig up a sizeable area of the landfill. Richard Hammond made a YouTube video about the case. They know which cell it might be buried in assuming it is buried, but they have no idea of the depth, it could be 10 metres deep. The area in question is probably as large as between a third and a half of a football pitch. Every evening a landfill cell has to be capped to keep in odour and that is from recently buried waste. That particular landfill cell has a blue clay liner of over a metre in depth, this keeps the water/leachate and the methane gas within the cell. The landfill is right next to the River Usk.
Landfill gas which is generated is taken off site by a series of intricate pipework which feeds the gas to engines to be burned as a fuel, the remainder can be flared from a series of vents, I can't remember whether this site does flare, it is a while since I have been on site. Leachate accumulates in the liner and is piped off into lagoons to be tankered away. It is nasty stuff. Material, don't forget is decomposing and in the case of Mr Howell's cells have been doing so for over a decade. If it is there, the cigarette pack sized hard drive will have been driven over by dumper trucks and spiked steel wheeled compactor vehicles. It will have been sitting in leachate for ten years. It will not be showroom fresh.
You ask about cost. If you were to dig up this cell, what do you do with the excavated material? How will the people of Newport feel about the odour, and rember this excavation is going to take months not days (see the "stop the stink" issue at Whalleys Quarry in Stoke)? If gypsum (plaster board) has been buried at some stage, which is quite likely hidden in builders waste despite gypsum being banned from landfills. With gypsum, on contact with air and water you will get an overpowering aroma of hydrogen sulphide (rotten eggs). So we have an issue with disposal of excavated material and odour. It will have already cost several million pounds in Labour to dig this out. Remember, it hasn't been sorted to search for the drive. Who will be doing that and the cost again will be significant? It is after all a needle in a haystack. The disturbed leachate will also have to be tankered away. I am not sure how you would collect it as you have just destroyed your pipework in the excavation.
I mentioned earlier about an intricate web of pipework for leachate and gas. This will all be destroyed and will have to be reinstated. That will be millions of pounds expensive. Without gas feeding them, the engines won't work either.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
I can almost hear your groin strings pop from Manhattan.
Just reporting an important and highly controversial decision
Would you prefer that it is kept quiet
Your concern about Trump hasn't been quite as forthcoming as it is about other topics, so some suspicions have been aroused.
I have many concerns about Trump and his actions, but getting criticism for reporting on important controversial decisions seems to trigger some who understandably are very unhappy with events in the US
"Sánchez to stop Britons buying second homes in Spain The announcement by the Spanish prime minister follows a proposal to slap a tax of up to 100 per cent on property deals after house prices soared in the country"
On topic. It’s still socially unacceptable in the UK to admit you were relieved by the election of Trump, even if he is a bit of a bar steward. Anecdotally I think this is starting to recede. “I wouldn’t have voted for Trump but…” is something increasingly heard.
The But being variously fiscal discipline (relatively), credible deterrence to autocrats, the watering down of DEI, purring animal spirits etc…
One wonders how these British voters will assess the trump project if economically it’s a clear success and if by 2029 we see cargo landings on Mars. How many I wonder will claim that back in 2024 they always backed him over Biden? Not many dare say it today because it remains a thought crime. But I suspect it won’t stay that way for long.
LOL.
I don’t expect you to understand. But don’t say you weren’t warned. There are vastly more people in this country who are amenable to small state economics, a deterrent defence policy and secure borders than there are who currently admit in that poll that they are favourable to the new U.S. government. If it succeeds on its own terms, that sentiment will shift quite significantly and the consequent impact on UK politics might not be in the direction you would like.
Trump isn't about small state economics. He's a big borrow and spend merchant.
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
The chumps are struggling because they can't blame a slip of the hand when he did it twice.
Doesn't look like a Hitler salute to me.
It wasn't a Hitler salute.
And it's pretty dumb that we're debating whether or not it was.
Well what was it?
How often do you find yourself doing an accidental, chest pump and flat palmed salute?
If you watch it, I think he's trying to say "from the heart" or something. I'm being generous - it looks very like the Nazi salutes you see football ultras do in Europe.
Given the recent comments by Trump about election machines and Musk in Pennsylvania, as well as the messianic inaugaration speech - "they tried to shoot me but God saved me" - it's all going about as well as was expected.
It is clearly a fascist salute. lets not baby the man, he knows what he's doing and there is no ambiguity. Shame about the nice people who live in America, doubt they'll have much fun for the foreseeable. Maybe we can ape Byzantium after the sack of Rome..
"Sánchez to stop Britons buying second homes in Spain The announcement by the Spanish prime minister follows a proposal to slap a tax of up to 100 per cent on property deals after house prices soared in the country"
“Lorenzo Sewell, the pastor that spoke at Trump’s inauguration earlier today, urged people on social media to buy “the official Lorenzo Sewell” cryptocurrency.”
For the love of god don't buy the unofficial Lorenzo Sewell cryptocurrency.
I suppose it's a matter of faith. But, whatever you do, don't let anyone dump your hard drive:
'A judge has thrown out a man's attempt to sue a council to recover from a rubbish tip a Bitcoin hard drive that is now worth about £598m.
James Howells had argued that his former partner had mistakenly dumped the hard drive containing a Bitcoin wallet in 2013, and he wanted to access the site and recover the cryptocurrency.
But Newport council asked a High Court judge to strike out Mr Howells' legal action to access the landfill or get £495m in compensation.'
I'm curious as to how much it would cost to dig up the old computer.
Offer Newport council a few hundred million if its successful and it would be ridiculous not to give it a go.
So ridiculous that it might see another party taking control at the next election.
Before we start there is no guarantee that the ex wife placed the black bag directly in the general waste skip. People I know who work there are unsure whether it went into the landfill site or went for recycling at Sims Metals WEEE plant and has been shredded and sent to China for reprocessing a decade ago.
Howells has had potential investments of several million pounds to dig up a sizeable area of the landfill. Richard Hammond made a YouTube video about the case. They know which cell it might be buried in assuming it is buried, but they have no idea of the depth, it could be 10 metres deep. The area in question is probably as large as between a third and a half of a football pitch. Every evening a landfill cell has to be capped to keep in odour and that is from recently buried waste. That particular landfill cell has a blue clay liner of over a metre in depth, this keeps the water/leachate and the methane gas within the cell. The landfill is right next to the River Usk.
Landfill gas which is generated is taken off site by a series of intricate pipework which feeds the gas to engines to be burned as a fuel, the remainder can be flared from a series of vents, I can't remember whether this site does flare, it is a while since I have been on site. Leachate accumulates in the liner and is piped off into lagoons to be tankered away. It is nasty stuff. Material, don't forget is decomposing and in the case of Mr Howell's cells have been doing so for over a decade. If it is there, the cigarette pack sized hard drive will have been driven over by dumper trucks and spiked steel wheeled compactor vehicles. It will have been sitting in leachate for ten years. It will not be showroom fresh.
You ask about cost. If you were to dig up this cell, what do you do with the excavated material? How will the people of Newport feel about the odour, and rember this excavation is going to take months not days (see the "stop the stink" issue at Whalleys Quarry in Stoke)? If gypsum (plaster board) has been buried at some stage, which is quite likely hidden in builders waste despite gypsum being banned from landfills. With gypsum, on contact with air and water you will get an overpowering aroma of hydrogen sulphide (rotten eggs). So we have an issue with disposal of excavated material and odour. It will have already cost several million pounds in Labour to dig this out. Remember, it hasn't been sorted to search for the drive. Who will be doing that and the cost again will be significant? It is after all a needle in a haystack. The disturbed leachate will also have to be tankered away. I am not sure how you would collect it as you have just destroyed your pipework in the excavation.
I mentioned earlier about an intricate web of pipework for leachate and gas. This will all be destroyed and will have to be reinstated. That will be millions of pounds expensive. Without gas feeding them, the engines won't work either.
Part 2.
The potential for litigation against NRW and Newport Council would be astronomical. Householder windows sealed closed for months and children dying of respiratory illness would be quite likely expensive through the courts.
You write "Offer Newport council a few hundred million if its successful and it would be ridiculous not to give it a go"? It would be insanity to try.
"Sánchez to stop Britons buying second homes in Spain The announcement by the Spanish prime minister follows a proposal to slap a tax of up to 100 per cent on property deals after house prices soared in the country"
If, in the face of worrying about the new American president, anyone is hoping for some perspective, I can offer this from astronaut Barry Wilmore, which I sincerely hope is just him displaying his creativity:
Timothy Snyder @TimothyDSnyder · 7h A president’s executive order cannot undo a law or a Supreme Court decision, let alone a provision of the Constitution. Forget that and you do have a dictatorship on day one.
Yes but isn't that where the Trump team are taking the overuse of executive orders? You issue the order, you try to implement it, the court strikes it down, you complain about it, you build a mass of opinion around trying to change the law to enable you to implement it, you fuel more grievance at "the system" to sustain you.
This is straight from the populist playbook.
This is why the British constitution used to be much better, before Blair tried to Americanise it. Here a majority government can simply change the law, so there isn't any need for this kind of circus.
The British constitution is just a collection of laws. It can be changed as it always has been.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
I think this is stage 9 of the climate denier process. "See, making the transition was easy. We didn't need all those meddling people telling us what to do" - after 30 years of telling us it would be too difficult.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
If, in the face of worrying about the new American president, anyone is hoping for some perspective, I can offer this from astronaut Barry Wilmore, which I sincerely hope is just him displaying his creativity:
If, in the face of worrying about the new American president, anyone is hoping for some perspective, I can offer this from astronaut Barry Wilmore, which I sincerely hope is just him displaying his creativity:
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
Any chance of our government decoupling the price of domestic electricity from the price of gas?
If, in the face of worrying about the new American president, anyone is hoping for some perspective, I can offer this from astronaut Barry Wilmore, which I sincerely hope is just him displaying his creativity:
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
Socially challenged and self-described autistic man realises that anti-social and inappropriate, social errors can instantly be turned into edgy and provocative , in the context of that kind of hardcore Maga audience that he was talking to.
I really hate it when someone being a **** (yes the word that gets a ban) can be excused because he has self- diagnosed himself as on the spectrum. Autistic people do not all behave like a w******. My autistic son (diagnosed by professionals) doesn't randomly make Nazi style salutes (twice).
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
Socially challenged and self-described autistic man realises that anti-social and inappropriate, social errors can instantly be turned into edgy and provocative , in the context of that kind of hardcore Maga audience that he was talking to.
I really hate it when someone being a **** (yes the word that gets a ban) can be excused because he has self- diagnosed himself as on the spectrum. Autistic people do not all behave like a Nazi w******. My autistic son (diagnosed by professionals) doesn't randomly make Nazi salutes (twice).
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
"We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market."
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
Any chance of our government decoupling the price of domestic electricity from the price of gas?
Well, if panel and battery prices keep falling, you can decouple yourself completely in a couple of years.
What was the original tweet about? It's been deleted so I can't read it.
Elon Musk's accidental Nazi salutes
Ah, don't you just hate it when people make an accidental Nazi salute? Twice. There you go, walking down the street with nary a care in the world, and suddenly there's sieg-heiling all over the place! It must be something in the air, I dunno...
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
Any chance of our government decoupling the price of domestic electricity from the price of gas?
Well, if panel and battery prices keep falling, you can decouple yourself completely in a couple of years.
Not in Newcastle upon Tyne, not enough sunlight in winter
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
Socially challenged and self-described autistic man realises that anti-social and inappropriate, social errors can instantly be turned into edgy and provocative , in the context of that kind of hardcore Maga audience that he was talking to.
I really hate it when someone being a **** (yes the word that gets a ban) can be excused because he has self- diagnosed himself as on the spectrum. Autistic people do not all behave like a Nazi w******. My autistic son (diagnosed by professionals) doesn't randomly make Nazi salutes (twice).
How many times does he make Nazi salutes?
As far as I am aware two fewer than Musk appeared to make today. Now I would give Musk the benefit of the doubt with a simple raised arm but the hand across the chest prior to the salute looks like a slam dunk provocative act to a snowflake like me.
I've never seen Reddit dominated by a single incident like this before. Feel sorry for Tesla owners, going to be worthless if things carry on like this.
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
Socially challenged and self-described autistic man realises that anti-social and inappropriate, social errors can instantly be turned into edgy and provocative , in the context of that kind of hardcore Maga audience that he was talking to.
I really hate it when someone being a **** (yes the word that gets a ban) can be excused because he has self- diagnosed himself as on the spectrum. Autistic people do not all behave like a w******. My autistic son (diagnosed by professionals) doesn't randomly make Nazi style salutes (twice).
No. Me neither. But then I'm not an entitled nepobaby twat. So there is that.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
Any chance of our government decoupling the price of domestic electricity from the price of gas?
Well, if panel and battery prices keep falling, you can decouple yourself completely in a couple of years.
I think Trump is a ####. I think Musk is a ####. See posts passim.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
What is it, then?
By the way, I want to give Musk some kind of benefit of doubt here, but I just think other explanations are not terribly convincing or fully explanatory.
NEW: I'm told senior leadership at the Justice Department’s agency overseeing the nation’s immigration courts were removed from service on Monday, stunning officials.
The Executive Office for Immigration Review oversees the US immigration court system. More to come.
I think Trump is a ####. I think Musk is a ####. See posts passim.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
What is it, then?
By the way, I want to give Musk some kind of benefit of doubt here, but I just think other explanations are not terribly convincing or fully explanatory.
Hand on heart and “sending it out”. He’s a #### and a malign influence. He’s not an idiot. He’ll be mortified it could be read that way, because he is a borderline fascist but doesn’t want to be seen as one.
I emphasise that point. I think he and Trump are on the way to fascism, I just don’t think that’s a Nazi salute.
I think Trump is a ####. I think Musk is a ####. See posts passim.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
What is it, then?
By the way, I want to give Musk some kind of benefit of doubt here, but I just think other explanations are not terribly convincing or fully explanatory.
Hand on heart and “sending it out”. He’s a #### and a malign influence. He’s not an idiot. He’ll be mortified it could be read that way, because he is a borderline fascist but doesn’t want to be seen as one.
I emphasise that point. I think he and Trump are on the way to fascism, I just don’t think that’s a Nazi salute.
Let’s take him down for what he does instead.
You are aware that he would call you defamatory things for that criticism alone. He doesn't need his opponents running his defence. Let him pay.
I think Trump is a ####. I think Musk is a ####. See posts passim.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
What is it, then?
By the way, I want to give Musk some kind of benefit of doubt here, but I just think other explanations are not terribly convincing or fully explanatory.
Hand on heart and “sending it out”. He’s a #### and a malign influence. He’s not an idiot. He’ll be mortified it could be read that way, because he is a borderline fascist but doesn’t want to be seen as one.
I emphasise that point. I think he and Trump are on the way to fascism, I just don’t think that’s a Nazi salute.
Let’s take him down for what he does instead.
You are aware that he would call you defamatory things for that criticism alone. He doesn't need his opponents running his defence. Let him pay.
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
Socially challenged and self-described autistic man realises that anti-social and inappropriate, social errors can instantly be turned into edgy and provocative , in the context of that kind of hardcore Maga audience that he was talking to.
I really hate it when someone being a **** (yes the word that gets a ban) can be excused because he has self- diagnosed himself as on the spectrum. Autistic people do not all behave like a Nazi w******. My autistic son (diagnosed by professionals) doesn't randomly make Nazi salutes (twice).
How many times does he make Nazi salutes?
Twice. I know some won't want to see but its a firm salute and not a giving gesture. Pretty much a facsimile of one from the world at war.
A directive to the federal government ending the "weaponisation" of government against the "political adversaries" of the previous administration. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce8jy9j91y5t
Is that code for "I just got off responsibility for some of my crimes."? I take it it is something to do with ending prosecutions of himself.
I think Trump is a ####. I think Musk is a ####. See posts passim.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
If it looks like a Nazi salute and quacks like a Nazi salute...
And pens editorials in support of the AFD like a Nazi…
I suspect if I'd been brought up in Apartheid South Africa I might not be the well rounded Liberal I am today.
Wasn’t Musk’s father a Progressive Party activist, though?
I personally think that Musk’s politics are informed by his being an autistic, narcissistic tech freak billionaire.
When younger, but later in life Mum and Dad supported a half way house apartheid.If one listens to Errol speak now he would make Jan Christiaan Smuts look like a woolly liberal.
I am quite uneasy about excusing Trump's behaviour on "his being an autistic, narcissistic tech freak billionaire". I suspect "narcissistic" does the job on its own.
U.S. President Donald J. Trump says from the Oval Office, that he expects 25% Tariffs on all Products coming from both Canada and Mexico to come into effect on February 1st.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
I don't think it's that much of a surprise. Trump is not a fan of multilateral organizations, because they make all countries in them (relatively) equally important. Which is bad if you're the biggest and richest country.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
Any chance of our government decoupling the price of domestic electricity from the price of gas?
Well, if panel and battery prices keep falling, you can decouple yourself completely in a couple of years.
Not in Newcastle upon Tyne, not enough sunlight in winter
Just buy the battery and fill it with cheap overnight energy. Don’t buy the solar panels.
U.S. President Donald J. Trump says from the Oval Office, that he expects 25% Tariffs on all Products coming from both Canada and Mexico to come into effect on February 1st.
Is this something to do with Trump's personal beef with Trudeau? Maybe he'll change the policy when Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre becomes prime minister as he almost certainly will within a few months. (Average poll lead at the moment is about 25 points).
U.S. President Donald J. Trump says from the Oval Office, that he expects 25% Tariffs on all Products coming from both Canada and Mexico to come into effect on February 1st.
Is this something to do with Trump's personal beef with Trudeau? Maybe he'll change the policy when Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre becomes prime minister as he almost certainly will within a few months. (Average poll lead at the moment is about 25 points).
No. The US is retreating from being the guarantor of the free world and is instead adopting a more transactional relationship with the rest of the world. Given that and Trump not caring about other nations, it makes sense for the US to take Canada, Greenland, and Panama, because that gives US control of two of the three passages from the Atlantic to the Pacific (The Northwest Passage, the Panama Canal, and Cape Horn)
As USA has resiled from the world it still has two trading partners it cannot easily do without: Canada and Mexico. Taking control of both makes sense (think of it as vertical integration) in that context.
Plus, PB is having difficulty coming to terms that Trump is a bad man who wants to take other people's things because he can. It may be simple as "Me Want It Now"
So it makes geopolitical sense, is good from a business perspective, and Trump is a bad man. These are sufficient explanations for his actions.
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
Socially challenged and self-described autistic man realises that anti-social and inappropriate, social errors can instantly be turned into edgy and provocative , in the context of that kind of hardcore Maga audience that he was talking to.
I really hate it when someone being a **** (yes the word that gets a ban) can be excused because he has self- diagnosed himself as on the spectrum. Autistic people do not all behave like a Nazi w******. My autistic son (diagnosed by professionals) doesn't randomly make Nazi salutes (twice).
How many times does he make Nazi salutes?
As far as I am aware two fewer than Musk appeared to make today. Now I would give Musk the benefit of the doubt with a simple raised arm but the hand across the chest prior to the salute looks like a slam dunk provocative act to a snowflake like me.
Trying to be charitable…
Assuming the second incidence was also in the clip that looks much more like a “from the heart gesture”.
The first one it’s not the heart gesture so much as the speed of the salute / rigidity of the arm afterwards and the slightly weird expression on his face.
He knew what he was doing and knew it would upset people - which to my mind makes it more likely to be a socially awkward **** doing something to provoke people
I think Trump is a ####. I think Musk is a ####. See posts passim.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
What is it, then?
By the way, I want to give Musk some kind of benefit of doubt here, but I just think other explanations are not terribly convincing or fully explanatory.
I think it was a “from the heart gesture” that he modified to provoke people. He did it deliberately and probably on the spot the moment.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
U.S. President Donald J. Trump says from the Oval Office, that he expects 25% Tariffs on all Products coming from both Canada and Mexico to come into effect on February 1st.
Is this something to do with Trump's personal beef with Trudeau? Maybe he'll change the policy when Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre becomes prime minister as he almost certainly will within a few months. (Average poll lead at the moment is about 25 points).
No. The US is retreating from being the guarantor of the free world and is instead adopting a more transactional relationship with the rest of the world. Given that and Trump not caring about other nations, it makes sense for the US to take Canada, Greenland, and Panama, because that gives US control of two of the three passages from the Atlantic to the Pacific (The Northwest Passage, the Panama Canal, and Cape Horn)
As USA has resiled from the world it still has two trading partners it cannot easily do without: Canada and Mexico. Taking control of both makes sense (think of it as vertical integration) in that context.
Plus, PB is having difficulty coming to terms that Trump is a bad man who wants to take other people's things because he can. It may be simple as "Me Want It Now"
So it makes geopolitical sense, is good from a business perspective, and Trump is a bad man. These are sufficient explanations for his actions.
Thanks for the reply. It'll be interesting if he doesn't put any tariffs on the UK. He keeps saying we're his "favourite country" but it might all be nonsense.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
I don't know. But in the few brief moments when they are not plotting to take over the world and fill it full of woke juice, they also engage in programs to reduce disease world-wide, one of which I took part in.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
I don't know. But in the few brief moments when they are not plotting to take over the world and fill it full of woke juice, they also engage in programs to reduce disease world-wide, one of which I took part in.
Excluded a country from the benefits of their advice and any information flow on the spread or solutions for the pandemic because China doesn’t like Taiwan put then beyond the pale.
Of course China is primarily to blame but the WHO behaved appallingly.
There is clearly a role for an organisation like that - but if you look at how GAVI or OIE* operate it’s far better. (I have similar views on the corruption of the UN - a great ideal but sadly diminished)
* I know it’s now called WOAH… but I can’t take that name seriously
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
It’s not just their role in the last pandemic, it’s also their planned role in the next one, which comes across as something that could have been written by Orwell. Not just pandemics either, but any “health emergency” that they wish to declare.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
It’s not just their role in the last pandemic, it’s also their planned role in the next one, which comes across as something that could have been written by Orwell. Not just pandemics either, but any “health emergency” that they wish to declare.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
I don't know. But in the few brief moments when they are not plotting to take over the world and fill it full of woke juice, they also engage in programs to reduce disease world-wide, one of which I took part in.
Has the WHO saved many. many lives? Yes.
Is the WHO perfect? No.
Does that mean that countries should pull out of it? No.
Will the US replace the WHO with something better? Absolutely not.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
I totally disagree with your conclusion, but not your reasoning.
Yes, clean *energy* is moving fast, and we should all be thankful for that. But not all carbon emissions come from energy, or even transport (if we could immediately click our fingers and green that). It would be easy for countries to do activities that emits loads of CO2 (and similar gasses) that is not in the energy sector.
As an example, the Montreal Protocol was signed in the late 1980s to stop ozone production, and it has been a massive success. Yet oddly, a few years back the ozone hole started growing, because a certain large country emitted more nasty chemicals.
So we 'need' the Paris climate accords to keep countries concentrating on what needs to be done. Targets are not always good; but they are not always bad either. I'd argue the Paris Climate Accords are very much in the 'good' column.
On the Nazi salute furore. If it was intended to be a Nazi salute it wasn’t a very good one. He screwed it up - twice.
Someone said it was an ultra salute - yeah, much closer to what he did. The nazis co-opted old fashioned Roman salutes when seeing what the Italian fascists were doing. As the Ultras at various football clubs still do. Much closer to one of those.
Look, if he’d clicked his heels together and rigidly stood as shooting the arm up at 45 degrees then maybe. But he didn’t. The chest thump then the arm out and leaning at a weird angle like half a dab? You ever seen footage of Nazis doing that?
He’s an arsehole. But he wasn’t doing a Nazi salute.
Good evening all you Trump sane washers. Can you please explain Elon's authentic Nazi salute?
This circus is not going to end well is it?
The chumps are struggling because they can't blame a slip of the hand when he did it twice.
Doesn't look like a Hitler salute to me.
It wasn't a Hitler salute.
And it's pretty dumb that we're debating whether or not it was.
Seems all rather desperate from the opponents.
Trump is going to be a total fucking disaster but it isn't going to be because he will get his henchmen to go from arena to arena recreating late 1930s German uniforms, greetings or salutes.
Never Trumpers: raise your game!
Musk talked with the leader of the AfD who said that the Hitler and the Nazis were Communists. He constantly lies. He does two salutes that are, at best, reminiscent of Nazi salutes. He was raised a rich child in South Africa during Apartheid.
I do wonder what Musk would have to do before some people will finally admit that he's very much a wrong 'un.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
On "German measles and Spanish influenza"; those were a long time ago, when the naming was done not by international organisations, but by people like the media. In both cases, it was wrongly named (German measles is only 'German' because it was first described by German doctors). Neutral names are much better.
As for why the WHO swallowed Chinese bullshit: because that was what China was giving them at the time, and they could not disprove it. And arguing with them publicly would have just caused China to refuse to release more information.
I'd love to see more anger directed at China over Covid. Not over the origins, but by the way the pandemic spread much more quickly because of the Chinese authorities' refusal to cooperate and pass on information (we in the west only got the genetic code early because a Chinese scientists released it to a database; this early release helped us get a headstart in studying the disease and develop vaccines).
The anger should be directed at China, not the WHO.
Very mildly pestilent. Just enough to be annoying (going to skip exercise for a day or two more).
Flicked over to the BBC News channel yesterday a couple of times to catch the weather. Turns out it's cold in Washington DC, which isn't very bloody useful as that's not exactly close to Leeds.
Trump just signs withdrawal from the Paris Climate Change and letter to UN confirming it !!!
Not unexpected.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
If the pace of new energy technology will be so fast then what is the need for things like the Paris climate accords?
We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
"We probably don't need the Paris climate accords any more: the reality is that clean energy is moving so quickly now, that fossil fuels are simply going to get priced out the market."
This. 100x
Trump hasn't a clue.
Carbon is over.
Except 1.5deg warming is probably already baked in, and we may be in feedback loop territory. Fossil fuels are obsolescing, but not fast enough. And Trump will nudge the brakes.
On the Nazi salute furore. If it was intended to be a Nazi salute it wasn’t a very good one. He screwed it up - twice.
Someone said it was an ultra salute - yeah, much closer to what he did. The nazis co-opted old fashioned Roman salutes when seeing what the Italian fascists were doing. As the Ultras at various football clubs still do. Much closer to one of those.
Look, if he’d clicked his heels together and rigidly stood as shooting the arm up at 45 degrees then maybe. But he didn’t. The chest thump then the arm out and leaning at a weird angle like half a dab? You ever seen footage of Nazis doing that?
He’s an arsehole. But he wasn’t doing a Nazi salute.
No he wasn’t. It’s bizarre people think he has but after the return of Trump people have various stages on the grief cycle. They’ll get to acceptance eventually
On the Nazi salute furore. If it was intended to be a Nazi salute it wasn’t a very good one. He screwed it up - twice.
Someone said it was an ultra salute - yeah, much closer to what he did. The nazis co-opted old fashioned Roman salutes when seeing what the Italian fascists were doing. As the Ultras at various football clubs still do. Much closer to one of those.
Look, if he’d clicked his heels together and rigidly stood as shooting the arm up at 45 degrees then maybe. But he didn’t. The chest thump then the arm out and leaning at a weird angle like half a dab? You ever seen footage of Nazis doing that?
He’s an arsehole. But he wasn’t doing a Nazi salute.
No he wasn’t. It’s bizarre people think he has but after the return of Trump people have various stages on the grief cycle. They’ll get to acceptance eventually
How long will it take you to make that progress? You are in utter denial.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
He is wrong.
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
Ah. That's the first surprise. Damn. I worked with the WHO once, albeit briefly and with a peripheral organisations. It was one of the few moments in my life when what I did mattered on a global scale. Due to financial pressures I had to go work in the private sector instead, a source of some regret.
WHO is a horrifically political and corrupted organisation.
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
Also why did they swallow Chinese bullshit about the origins of COVID?
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
The WHO has long been more obsessed about lifestyle issues than anything practical.
Trump is right on this
Or ignoring lifestyle issues when it’s inconvenient, for example taking months to make the connection between the recent Monkeypox outbreak and homosexual activity among the infected men. When they finally woke up to it, it turned out that 90% of the cases were gay men and more than half were HIV+ https://worldhealthorg.shinyapps.io/mpx_global/#53_Case_profile_(overall)
If today’s attitudes had been prevalent in the 1980s, AIDS could have been a much bigger problem than it already was.
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"common sense."
Down at the Dog and Davey Lamp in Ashfield they will lap that up. A man is a man and a woman is a woman etc etc.
Presumably not entirely consciously.
Hence why is is trying to delete it off Twitter.
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Historian of fascism here. That was a Nazi salute - and a very belligerent one too
https://x.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1881460628164120641
Do keep up
It's all BS, as we know.
Given the recent comments by Trump about election machines and Musk in Pennsylvania, as well as the messianic inaugaration speech - "they tried to shoot me but God saved me" - it's all going about as well as was expected.
Would you prefer that it is kept quiet
Howells has had potential investments of several million pounds to dig up a sizeable area of the landfill. Richard Hammond made a YouTube video about the case. They know which cell it might be buried in assuming it is buried, but they have no idea of the depth, it could be 10 metres deep. The area in question is probably as large as between a third and a half of a football pitch. Every evening a landfill cell has to be capped to keep in odour and that is from recently buried waste. That particular landfill cell has a blue clay liner of over a metre in depth, this keeps the water/leachate and the methane gas within the cell. The landfill is right next to the River Usk.
Landfill gas which is generated is taken off site by a series of intricate pipework which feeds the gas to engines to be burned as a fuel, the remainder can be flared from a series of vents, I can't remember whether this site does flare, it is a while since I have been on site. Leachate accumulates in the liner and is piped off into lagoons to be tankered away. It is nasty stuff. Material, don't forget is decomposing and in the case of Mr Howell's cells have been doing so for over a decade. If it is there, the cigarette pack sized hard drive will have been driven over by dumper trucks and spiked steel wheeled compactor vehicles. It will have been sitting in leachate for ten years. It will not be showroom fresh.
You ask about cost. If you were to dig up this cell, what do you do with the excavated material? How will the people of Newport feel about the odour, and rember this excavation is going to take months not days (see the "stop the stink" issue at Whalleys Quarry in Stoke)? If gypsum (plaster board) has been buried at some stage, which is quite likely hidden in builders waste despite gypsum being banned from landfills. With gypsum, on contact with air and water you will get an overpowering aroma of hydrogen sulphide (rotten eggs). So we have an issue with disposal of excavated material and odour. It will have already cost several million pounds in Labour to dig this out. Remember, it hasn't been sorted to search for the drive. Who will be doing that and the cost again will be significant? It is after all a needle in a haystack. The disturbed leachate will also have to be tankered away. I am not sure how you would collect it as you have just destroyed your pipework in the excavation.
I mentioned earlier about an intricate web of pipework for leachate and gas. This will all be destroyed and will have to be reinstated. That will be millions of pounds expensive. Without gas feeding them, the engines won't work either.
The announcement by the Spanish prime minister follows a proposal to slap a tax of up to 100 per cent on property deals after house prices soared in the country"
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/sanchez-spain-second-home-eu-buy-property-p2z3q8jbb
Maybe we should respond to this by making it more difficult for Spanish people to work and study in the UK.
The potential for litigation against NRW and Newport Council would be astronomical. Householder windows sealed closed for months and children dying of respiratory illness would be quite likely expensive through the courts.
You write "Offer Newport council a few hundred million if its successful and it would be ridiculous not to give it a go"? It would be insanity to try.
The pace of new energy technology will be too much for what ever reactionary views on climate Trump has.
He is 79 and he is the past whatever today's nonsense says otherwise.
Trump will be the last of the genoraatic presidents I predict.
We are due a JFK in 2028 (if there is an election). A generation will turn the page on this bollocks.
It's telling, really, that the crazies in the US have moved away from saying "we must remove subsidies"*, to a blanket "we must avoid renewables because... [reasons]". (See Ohio, Florida, Kansas, North Carolina, and Oklahoma.)
These measures, though, will increase the cost of grid energy, which makes putting your own solar panels up increasingly cost effective. In other words, a tipping point has now been reached in the US, and there's very little that any government can do about it.
(The funny bit is that the only thing keeping coal fired power stations alive today is the increased demand for electricity from electric vehicles. Take that away... and overall electric power demand stops rising... and then coal is totally screwed.)
* Fair enough
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/03/fact-check-barry-wilmore-quote-seeing-fellow-astronaut-satire/5695280001/
Still brilliant, mind.
So how long was the emission? I have not watched it, yet.
I did note that there are already 2 lawsuits filed, and I noted the Musky Baby salute *.
* I think he may come out with some weasel words around "Bellamy Salute".
This. 100x
Trump hasn't a clue.
Carbon is over.
But then I'm not an entitled nepobaby twat.
So there is that.
That ain’t a Nazi salute. Can we not do this lying nonsense please? Let’s take him down for what he is.
By the way, I want to give Musk some kind of benefit of doubt here, but I just think other explanations are not terribly convincing or fully explanatory.
NEW: I'm told senior leadership at the Justice Department’s agency overseeing the nation’s immigration courts were removed from service on Monday, stunning officials.
The Executive Office for Immigration Review oversees the US immigration court system. More to come.
I emphasise that point. I think he and Trump are on the way to fascism, I just don’t think that’s a Nazi salute.
Let’s take him down for what he does instead.
I personally think that Musk’s politics are informed by his being an autistic, narcissistic tech freak billionaire.
A directive to the federal government ending the "weaponisation" of government against the "political adversaries" of the previous administration.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce8jy9j91y5t
Is that code for "I just got off responsibility for some of my crimes."? I take it it is something to do with ending prosecutions of himself.
I am quite uneasy about excusing Trump's behaviour on "his being an autistic, narcissistic tech freak billionaire". I suspect "narcissistic" does the job on its own.
U.S. President Donald J. Trump says from the Oval Office, that he expects 25% Tariffs on all Products coming from both Canada and Mexico to come into effect on February 1st.
Trump on Kim Jong Un: "I liked him ... I think he has tremendous condo capability. He's got a lot of shoreline."
BREAKING: Donald Trump has signed an executive order withdrawing the US from the World Health Organisation
BBC Archive"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqdi1xjtys4
As USA has resiled from the world it still has two trading partners it cannot easily do without: Canada and Mexico. Taking control of both makes sense (think of it as vertical integration) in that context.
Plus, PB is having difficulty coming to terms that Trump is a bad man who wants to take other people's things because he can. It may be simple as "Me Want It Now"
So it makes geopolitical sense, is good from a business perspective, and Trump is a bad man. These are sufficient explanations for his actions.
Assuming the second incidence was also in the clip that looks much more like a “from the heart gesture”.
The first one it’s not the heart gesture so much as the speed of the salute / rigidity of the arm afterwards and the slightly weird expression on his face.
He knew what he was doing and knew it would upset people - which to my mind makes it more likely to be a socially awkward **** doing something to provoke people
My conclusion: he’s a **** not a fascist Goebbels
Why didn’t they provide Taiwan with any assistance or guidance on the spread of the COVID pandemic?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/01/21/donald-trump-white-house-redocorate-winston-churchill-bust/ (£££)
Yellow warning for parts of the country with potential power cuts, travel disruption and damage from Thursday
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/20/weather-bomb-forecast-to-bring-high-winds-heavy-rain-and-snow-to-uk
Of course China is primarily to blame but the WHO behaved appallingly.
There is clearly a role for an organisation like that - but if you look at how GAVI or OIE* operate it’s far better. (I have similar views on the corruption of the UN - a great ideal but sadly diminished)
* I know it’s now called WOAH… but I can’t take that name seriously
https://cbs12.com/news/nation-world/republican-governors-sign-letter-opposing-who-treaty-world-health-organization-proposed-pandemic-agreement-states-gop-global-authority-public-health
To my eye Trumpism now meets all the points of academic definitions of fascism.
https://days.to/until/20-january-2029
If half the people on the internet haven’t totally lost their minds by then.
Yes.
Is the WHO perfect?
No.
Does that mean that countries should pull out of it?
No.
Will the US replace the WHO with something better?
Absolutely not.
Will this cost lives, in the USA and abroad?
Yes.
We are manifesting destiny. America First. Today is the start of the greatest advance our country has ever known.
Yes, clean *energy* is moving fast, and we should all be thankful for that. But not all carbon emissions come from energy, or even transport (if we could immediately click our fingers and green that). It would be easy for countries to do activities that emits loads of CO2 (and similar gasses) that is not in the energy sector.
As an example, the Montreal Protocol was signed in the late 1980s to stop ozone production, and it has been a massive success. Yet oddly, a few years back the ozone hole started growing, because a certain large country emitted more nasty chemicals.
So we 'need' the Paris climate accords to keep countries concentrating on what needs to be done. Targets are not always good; but they are not always bad either. I'd argue the Paris Climate Accords are very much in the 'good' column.
Someone said it was an ultra salute - yeah, much closer to what he did. The nazis co-opted old fashioned Roman salutes when seeing what the Italian fascists were doing. As the Ultras at various football clubs still do. Much closer to one of those.
Look, if he’d clicked his heels together and rigidly stood as shooting the arm up at 45 degrees then maybe. But he didn’t. The chest thump then the arm out and leaning at a weird angle like half a dab? You ever seen footage of Nazis doing that?
He’s an arsehole. But he wasn’t doing a Nazi salute.
I do wonder what Musk would have to do before some people will finally admit that he's very much a wrong 'un.
Why did they give it a neutral name, while happily referring for decades to German measles and Spanish influenza, amongst others?
And why did they back lockdowns and travel restrictions when China did, despite clearly thinking before the pandemic that both were pointless and counterproductive?
As for why the WHO swallowed Chinese bullshit: because that was what China was giving them at the time, and they could not disprove it. And arguing with them publicly would have just caused China to refuse to release more information.
I'd love to see more anger directed at China over Covid. Not over the origins, but by the way the pandemic spread much more quickly because of the Chinese authorities' refusal to cooperate and pass on information (we in the west only got the genetic code early because a Chinese scientists released it to a database; this early release helped us get a headstart in studying the disease and develop vaccines).
The anger should be directed at China, not the WHO.
Okay, it was not a perfect Nazi salute. But it was very similar to a Nazi salute, and many people on the (ahem) right will see it as one.
He knew what he was doing.
Very mildly pestilent. Just enough to be annoying (going to skip exercise for a day or two more).
Flicked over to the BBC News channel yesterday a couple of times to catch the weather. Turns out it's cold in Washington DC, which isn't very bloody useful as that's not exactly close to Leeds.
Fossil fuels are obsolescing, but not fast enough. And Trump will nudge the brakes.
https://x.com/ebeth360/status/1881430070000284068?s=12
Trump is right on this
The WHO will have saved millions of lives through its various projects and schemes - the Smallpox eradication programme alone (launched in the late 50s) will have saved millions.
Trump has put an anti-vaxxer at the heart of his government, involved with medicine.
Is the WHO perfect? No. Would the world be better if they did not exist? Hell, no.
If today’s attitudes had been prevalent in the 1980s, AIDS could have been a much bigger problem than it already was.