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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,184
    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Do we take this as an endorsement of Trump?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1881097319581720647

    President #Trump will sign 200+ executive actions on #Inauguration Day—a massive, record-setting first wave of policy priorities focused on border security, energy, reducing cost of living for American families, ending DEI programs & more.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    https://x.com/john_hudson/status/1881141616062398494

    NEW: Scores of senior career diplomats are resigning from the State Dept effective at noon on Monday after receiving instructions to do so from Trump’s aides.
    The forced departures, the prerogative of an incoming admin, indicate a desire to quickly break with the Biden era
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762

    ... Trump is bringing something completely different to politics and watching this unfold will be fascinating...

    "different" is not the same as "good", Big_G
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,061
    Afternoon all from a sunny New Zealand :)

    Trump’s second administration beckons - they have a choice. They can either spend the next years looking back or spend them looking forward.

    If all they do is seek revenge or settle petty personal scores with their political and cultural opponents, nothing much will happen and it will be four wasted years for America and the world.

    If, however, the new administration is determined to follow through on its admittedly rather limited policy platform - long on generalities, short on specifics - then we will witness an experiment in governance such as we’ve not witnessed for a while.

    IF it works, Trumpism will become the new political and economic orthodoxy for the west and beyond but if it fails America will be diminished and those who follow Trump and the MAGA crowd will have a huge task repairing the mess.

    I suspect ultimately it will run up against its own contradictions and that will be its downfall.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758

    Nigelb said:

    Anyone followed the Trump coin grift ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vmym2jvy9o.amp
    US President-elect Donald Trump has launched his own cryptocurrency, which quickly soared in market capitalisation to several billion dollars.
    His release of the meme coin, $Trump, comes as he prepares to take office on Monday as 47th president of the US.
    The venture was co-ordinated by CIC Digital LLC - an affiliate of the Trump Organization - which has previously sold Trump-branded shoes and fragrances.
    Meme coins are used to build popularity for a viral internet trend or movement, but they lack intrinsic value and are extremely volatile investments...


    Oh, and Melania too.

    The Official Melania Meme is live!

    You can buy $MELANIA now.

    https://melaniameme.com

    My lad keeps calling me about it. He made a load of cash from crypto trading - enough to pay his uni fees and maintenance - a couple of years ago. He got back into it this Christmas, and had made himself a few grand, but I think a lot of it is gone again after Trump's latest exploits. He reckons that what Trump has done is illegal, but, well, presidential immunity 🤷‍♂️
    Meme coins are illegal in the U.K.

    In the US, the law hasn’t been defined properly. They are pump-and-dump with extra steps - a scummy business for scum.
    "Meme coins are illegal in the U.K."

    Does this mean I can't set one up?

    I was thinking of "$NeverTrump"

    Could really grift them libs.
    As I understand it, the FCA will come for you for promoting a financial service.
    Something Hawk Tuah girl may well find out shortly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,997
    .
    viewcode said:

    ... Trump is bringing something completely different to politics and watching this unfold will be fascinating...

    "different" is not the same as "good", Big_G
    Three quarters of Trump voters expect his policies to make grocery prices go down.

    That will probably be the metric on which he's judged by voters. If they get the chance.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,554

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Anyone followed the Trump coin grift ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vmym2jvy9o.amp
    US President-elect Donald Trump has launched his own cryptocurrency, which quickly soared in market capitalisation to several billion dollars.
    His release of the meme coin, $Trump, comes as he prepares to take office on Monday as 47th president of the US.
    The venture was co-ordinated by CIC Digital LLC - an affiliate of the Trump Organization - which has previously sold Trump-branded shoes and fragrances.
    Meme coins are used to build popularity for a viral internet trend or movement, but they lack intrinsic value and are extremely volatile investments...


    Oh, and Melania too.

    The Official Melania Meme is live!

    You can buy $MELANIA now.

    https://melaniameme.com

    My lad keeps calling me about it. He made a load of cash from crypto trading - enough to pay his uni fees and maintenance - a couple of years ago. He got back into it this Christmas, and had made himself a few grand, but I think a lot of it is gone again after Trump's latest exploits. He reckons that what Trump has done is illegal, but, well, presidential immunity 🤷‍♂️
    Meme coins are illegal in the U.K.

    In the US, the law hasn’t been defined properly. They are pump-and-dump with extra steps - a scummy business for scum.
    "Meme coins are illegal in the U.K."

    Does this mean I can't set one up?

    I was thinking of "$NeverTrump"

    Could really grift them libs.
    As I understand it, the FCA will come for you for promoting a financial service.
    Wasn't the BoE looking into setting up a crypto-coin a few years ago? Which would have probably been 100% fine.

    I'm possibly thinking of the US Treasury. But I'm sure it's coming for us all in some form. The 'Trump Meme-Coin' seems to be doing well.
    The bank of England was looking at block chain currency. Which is not the same thing. It's about an online transaction system with a complete history. So a crypto version of the pound that would tell you every person/institution that had handled it.
    Central Bank Digital Currency, CBDC, and absolutely hated by anyone who knows anything about technology, except the Chinese who think it’s a great idea for cutting people out of society for minor transgressions.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Good morning, everyone.

    One of these days I'll have a good night's sleep. But not this day.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,554
    Photo of the very dead Russian mobile long-range radar system that was reported to have been bombed yesterday. Allegedly $100m of scrap metal.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1881048123088531525
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    So it's Trump as President

    We need something to cheer us up on Blue Monday
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,161
    Hmmm.

    11% of uk mortgage market and £300 million profit doesn't exactly suggest they're struggling with red tape.

    More likely this is an attempt to obtain leverage over the looming catastrophe that is their car finance liability.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,161
    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:

    ... Trump is bringing something completely different to politics and watching this unfold will be fascinating...

    "different" is not the same as "good", Big_G
    Three quarters of Trump voters expect his policies to make grocery prices go down.

    That will probably be the metric on which he's judged by voters. If they get the chance.
    If they're genuinely as silly as that, given what he's actually promising, there's no hope for the USA.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    ydoethur said:

    Hmmm.

    11% of uk mortgage market and £300 million profit doesn't exactly suggest they're struggling with red tape.

    More likely this is an attempt to obtain leverage over the looming catastrophe that is their car finance liability.
    Maybe, or it could just be there are better returns elsewhere.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,161
    edited January 20

    ydoethur said:

    Hmmm.

    11% of uk mortgage market and £300 million profit doesn't exactly suggest they're struggling with red tape.

    More likely this is an attempt to obtain leverage over the looming catastrophe that is their car finance liability.
    Maybe, or it could just be there are better returns elsewhere.
    It could be - but my point is that it's likely to be linked to their own mistakes rather than any 'red tape.' They've done fine with much the same regulatory framework for 15 years.

    Equally I imagine many bonuses would not survive such an admission so it won't be made.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 125
    More to do with this IMHO. The FCA been asleep at the wheel again.

    The bank has also been forced to set aside £295m to cover potential costs from the car finance scandal after a court ruling rattled the finance industry last year.


    Meanwhile mortgage lending is £1600bn and near record levels despite all those homes not being built. And more lending to follow at larger multiples.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,795

    ydoethur said:

    Hmmm.

    11% of uk mortgage market and £300 million profit doesn't exactly suggest they're struggling with red tape.

    More likely this is an attempt to obtain leverage over the looming catastrophe that is their car finance liability.
    Maybe, or it could just be there are better returns elsewhere.
    You mean the Spanish and German governments are more willing to ignore any laws broken by banks than the UK is.

    Reality is that while I don’t actually think any purchaser has really lost out from the “scandal” the law in this area is incredibly clear
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    edited January 20
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Hmmm.

    11% of uk mortgage market and £300 million profit doesn't exactly suggest they're struggling with red tape.

    More likely this is an attempt to obtain leverage over the looming catastrophe that is their car finance liability.
    Maybe, or it could just be there are better returns elsewhere.
    It could be - but my point is that it's likely to be linked to their own mistakes rather than any 'red tape.'

    Equally I imagine many bonuses would not survive such an admission so it won't be made.
    I have no doubt a big corporate will be setting out their stall for the government to do them favours. But as they contemplate the next screw up - as Angela Rayner makes all companies litigation fodder via new workers rights - there still is the obvious point that the environment for employers is headed downhill.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    Or Abbey National, as those of a certain age would call it...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    rcs1000 said:

    Or Abbey National, as those of a certain age would call it...
    It was probably better as a building society
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Of itself that heralds the end of days.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,554

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1881097319581720647

    President #Trump will sign 200+ executive actions on #Inauguration Day—a massive, record-setting first wave of policy priorities focused on border security, energy, reducing cost of living for American families, ending DEI programs & more.

    It’s going to be a busy day! The incoming administration appears to be much better prepared this time than they were in 2017, they’re expecting pushback and have a plan to mitigate it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    ydoethur said:

    Hmmm.

    11% of uk mortgage market and £300 million profit doesn't exactly suggest they're struggling with red tape.

    More likely this is an attempt to obtain leverage over the looming catastrophe that is their car finance liability.
    Maybe, or it could just be there are better returns elsewhere.
    Spain?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,222


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    39m
    Trump: "Tomorrow everybody in this very large arena will be very happy with my decision on the J6 hostages."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1881113696908259793

    If Trump wants to pardon the people who tried to hang his Vice-President shouldn't he logically also pardon the person who tried to shoot him last summer?

    Just to be fair.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958
    Sandpit said:

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1881097319581720647

    President #Trump will sign 200+ executive actions on #Inauguration Day—a massive, record-setting first wave of policy priorities focused on border security, energy, reducing cost of living for American families, ending DEI programs & more.

    It’s going to be a busy day! The incoming administration appears to be much better prepared this time than they were in 2017, they’re expecting pushback and have a plan to mitigate it.
    Perhaps, just perhaps, that 'pushback' will be justified?

    Why do you have such positive thoughts about the incoming administration?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
    Yes why not throw in Brexit ? And Thatcher and the Corn Laws ?

  • ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Anyone followed the Trump coin grift ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vmym2jvy9o.amp
    US President-elect Donald Trump has launched his own cryptocurrency, which quickly soared in market capitalisation to several billion dollars.
    His release of the meme coin, $Trump, comes as he prepares to take office on Monday as 47th president of the US.
    The venture was co-ordinated by CIC Digital LLC - an affiliate of the Trump Organization - which has previously sold Trump-branded shoes and fragrances.
    Meme coins are used to build popularity for a viral internet trend or movement, but they lack intrinsic value and are extremely volatile investments...


    Oh, and Melania too.

    The Official Melania Meme is live!

    You can buy $MELANIA now.

    https://melaniameme.com

    My lad keeps calling me about it. He made a load of cash from crypto trading - enough to pay his uni fees and maintenance - a couple of years ago. He got back into it this Christmas, and had made himself a few grand, but I think a lot of it is gone again after Trump's latest exploits. He reckons that what Trump has done is illegal, but, well, presidential immunity 🤷‍♂️
    Meme coins are illegal in the U.K.

    In the US, the law hasn’t been defined properly. They are pump-and-dump with extra steps - a scummy business for scum.
    "Meme coins are illegal in the U.K."

    Does this mean I can't set one up?

    I was thinking of "$NeverTrump"

    Could really grift them libs.
    As I understand it, the FCA will come for you for promoting a financial service.
    Wasn't the BoE looking into setting up a crypto-coin a few years ago? Which would have probably been 100% fine.

    I'm possibly thinking of the US Treasury. But I'm sure it's coming for us all in some form. The 'Trump Meme-Coin' seems to be doing well.
    The bank of England was looking at block chain currency. Which is not the same thing. It's about an online transaction system with a complete history. So a crypto version of the pound that would tell you every person/institution that had handled it.
    The thing with the blockchain is, yes, it records all the transactions of the crypto-currency, but it doesn't track what happened to the real money that was used to buy it. Which is probably in a bank account in Panama before being spent on a villa in the Bahamas.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,352
    Good morning everyone.

    My marker for the day is the call by the French Human Rights Institute (amongst others) for users to mark the day by leaving Twitter, and in some circles to leave Meta.

    The French Human Rights League is asking the public to join them in a mass exodus of X, formerly Twitter, on US Inauguration Day #Jan20
    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/15/french-group-encourages-mass-departure-from-elon-musks-x-platform-on-us-inauguration-day

    I can't judge any stats on twitter any more because it's full of bots, tits, and twats (see Gipsy Rose Lee Cameron), as well as some sensible people.

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.

    Let's see where we are tomorrow morning.

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
    Yes why not throw in Brexit ? And Thatcher and the Corn Laws ?

    Thatcher and the Corn Laws are quite probably irrelevant. Brexit, probably not so much. Although being as the article eats itself at the end it is all academic anyway.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,582
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    My marker for the day is the call by the French Human Rights Institute (amongst others) for users to mark the day by leaving Twitter, and in some circles to leave Meta.

    The French Human Rights League is asking the public to join them in a mass exodus of X, formerly Twitter, on US Inauguration Day #Jan20
    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/15/french-group-encourages-mass-departure-from-elon-musks-x-platform-on-us-inauguration-day

    I can't judge any stats on twitter any more because it's full of bots, tits, and twats (see Gipsy Rose Lee Cameron), as well as some sensible people.

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.

    Let's see where we are tomorrow morning.

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    X and Meta are leading the dead Internet. Bots, trolls and AI talking amongst themselves.

    Social Media dies when it ceases to be social.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    edited January 20

    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
    Yes why not throw in Brexit ? And Thatcher and the Corn Laws ?

    Thatcher and the Corn Laws are quite probably irrelevant. Brexit, probably not so much. Although being as the article eats itself at the end it is all academic anyway.
    Oh dont worry Labour are screwing up the economy,; there's a lot more pain to come.

    Did I ever tell you Rachel Reeves is shit ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,352
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    My marker for the day is the call by the French Human Rights Institute (amongst others) for users to mark the day by leaving Twitter, and in some circles to leave Meta.

    The French Human Rights League is asking the public to join them in a mass exodus of X, formerly Twitter, on US Inauguration Day #Jan20
    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/15/french-group-encourages-mass-departure-from-elon-musks-x-platform-on-us-inauguration-day

    I can't judge any stats on twitter any more because it's full of bots, tits, and twats (see Gipsy Rose Lee Cameron), as well as some sensible people.

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.

    Let's see where we are tomorrow morning.

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    Incidentally, here's an extended Rest is Politics interview with Nick Clegg from 5 months ago.

    Biden, Brexit, and kicking Trump off Facebook
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr1k-4SmnRk

    (Enough annoyance there to boost the BP of everyone.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    9% is of course a terrible score for leader of the Tory party who like to think themselves the natural party of government but it is of course worth remembering that the choice given to the members was her or Robert Jenrick. It's not as if the party membership turned their noses up at a Thatcher or a Cameron. Personally, I have no doubt that, for once, the membership made the right choice. The party is deeply diminished and not just in its number of MPs.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,980
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It would have been easy for the Democrats to have stopped Trump becoming president. All they had to do was make a few noises about securing the borders, stopping extreme forms of woke-ism, etc. They didn't do it, and here we are.

    It really wasn't that easy - as in the UK a lot of people feel they are worse off than a few years ago and blame the current administration for their plight.
    If you look at a graph of inflation over time, the post-COVID/Ukraine inflation corresponded with Biden’s Presidency almost perfectly. That bad luck was what gave Trump the White House.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    Sandpit said:

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1881097319581720647

    President #Trump will sign 200+ executive actions on #Inauguration Day—a massive, record-setting first wave of policy priorities focused on border security, energy, reducing cost of living for American families, ending DEI programs & more.

    It’s going to be a busy day! The incoming administration appears to be much better prepared this time than they were in 2017, they’re expecting pushback and have a plan to mitigate it.
    Perhaps, just perhaps, that 'pushback' will be justified?

    Why do you have such positive thoughts about the incoming administration?
    I'm not sure anything Sandpit said was "positive", rather neutral in fact.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,980
    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Albeit with only one original member left.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Albeit with only one original member left.
    Amazing, he must be 110
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 125

    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
    Yes why not throw in Brexit ? And Thatcher and the Corn Laws ?

    Thatcher and the Corn Laws are quite probably irrelevant. Brexit, probably not so much. Although being as the article eats itself at the end it is all academic anyway.
    Oh dont worry Labour are screwing up the economy,; there's a lot more pain to come.

    Did I ever tell you Rachel Reeves is shit ?
    Never change..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,106

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    Anyone followed the Trump coin grift ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vmym2jvy9o.amp
    US President-elect Donald Trump has launched his own cryptocurrency, which quickly soared in market capitalisation to several billion dollars.
    His release of the meme coin, $Trump, comes as he prepares to take office on Monday as 47th president of the US.
    The venture was co-ordinated by CIC Digital LLC - an affiliate of the Trump Organization - which has previously sold Trump-branded shoes and fragrances.
    Meme coins are used to build popularity for a viral internet trend or movement, but they lack intrinsic value and are extremely volatile investments...


    Oh, and Melania too.

    The Official Melania Meme is live!

    You can buy $MELANIA now.

    https://melaniameme.com

    My lad keeps calling me about it. He made a load of cash from crypto trading - enough to pay his uni fees and maintenance - a couple of years ago. He got back into it this Christmas, and had made himself a few grand, but I think a lot of it is gone again after Trump's latest exploits. He reckons that what Trump has done is illegal, but, well, presidential immunity 🤷‍♂️
    Meme coins are illegal in the U.K.

    In the US, the law hasn’t been defined properly. They are pump-and-dump with extra steps - a scummy business for scum.
    "Meme coins are illegal in the U.K."

    Does this mean I can't set one up?

    I was thinking of "$NeverTrump"

    Could really grift them libs.
    As I understand it, the FCA will come for you for promoting a financial service.
    Wasn't the BoE looking into setting up a crypto-coin a few years ago? Which would have probably been 100% fine.

    I'm possibly thinking of the US Treasury. But I'm sure it's coming for us all in some form. The 'Trump Meme-Coin' seems to be doing well.
    The bank of England was looking at block chain currency. Which is not the same thing. It's about an online transaction system with a complete history. So a crypto version of the pound that would tell you every person/institution that had handled it.
    The thing with the blockchain is, yes, it records all the transactions of the crypto-currency, but it doesn't track what happened to the real money that was used to buy it. Which is probably in a bank account in Panama before being spent on a villa in the Bahamas.
    But if all currencies are blockchain, and the exchange process is mandated to include linkage…

    Heaven for the PreCrime types.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    Battlebus said:

    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
    Yes why not throw in Brexit ? And Thatcher and the Corn Laws ?

    Thatcher and the Corn Laws are quite probably irrelevant. Brexit, probably not so much. Although being as the article eats itself at the end it is all academic anyway.
    Oh dont worry Labour are screwing up the economy,; there's a lot more pain to come.

    Did I ever tell you Rachel Reeves is shit ?
    Never change..
    Well I'll have to when she's sacked
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,666

    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Albeit with only one original member left.
    Given Willis’s history of litigating again everyone he worked with…
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,582
    DavidL said:

    9% is of course a terrible score for leader of the Tory party who like to think themselves the natural party of government but it is of course worth remembering that the choice given to the members was her or Robert Jenrick. It's not as if the party membership turned their noses up at a Thatcher or a Cameron. Personally, I have no doubt that, for once, the membership made the right choice. The party is deeply diminished and not just in its number of MPs.

    He's not gone away.

    ConHome just voted Jenrick MP of the year 2024.

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/01/19/our-survey-jenrick-is-conservativehome-readers-2024-mp-of-the-year/
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,155
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    My marker for the day is the call by the French Human Rights Institute (amongst others) for users to mark the day by leaving Twitter, and in some circles to leave Meta.

    The French Human Rights League is asking the public to join them in a mass exodus of X, formerly Twitter, on US Inauguration Day #Jan20
    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/15/french-group-encourages-mass-departure-from-elon-musks-x-platform-on-us-inauguration-day

    I can't judge any stats on twitter any more because it's full of bots, tits, and twats (see Gipsy Rose Lee Cameron), as well as some sensible people.

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.

    Let's see where we are tomorrow morning.

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    X and Meta are leading the dead Internet. Bots, trolls and AI talking amongst themselves.

    Social Media dies when it ceases to be social.
    Yes- I logged out from TwiX for the last time this morning- Trumpians keep saying it is good news that decent people are leaving the platform, and that now now they can keep the franchise and the data for themselves. Yet all they will have is data about themselves- and why would anyone want to provide quality content for a platform so utterly degraded. As for Facebook... in the last 6 months it has become little more than repeated Reddit memes and crappy adverts.

    This so called victory is simply further enshitification of social media, which may quickly become a vicious circle of decline. The backlash against the social media fad is already growing. Who is to say in 2 or 3 years time whether these empty barrels will have anything like the kind of value they have today?

    So the right can claim a couple of "victories" in the social media wars, but in the long term I suspect- as with much else about Trump- any victory will be a Pyrrhic one.

    The chances of a guy with Trumps track record actually being able to make the transformation he boasts of, are not particularly good. Meanwhile those who have crawled to kiss the ring have revealed themselves. As for the UK, it is time we grew out of the abusive special relationship with the US and stood up for our own interests, including policing things that are socially destructive.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,352
    Argh.

    Experiencing my mini model of hell. The pod just ran out of insulin and has gone off like a small fire alarm, and the controller ha run out of out of juice overnight so I can't get to the thing to switch it off without plugging it into the wall etc etc etc :neutral: .
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    I see that "non-issue" is still with us:

    Toward the end of the 2024 presidential campaign, Donald Trump’s campaign released an unexpected ad, and one that was extremely politically effective. The tagline—“Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you.”—could go down in history as one of the most effective campaign slogans ever devised.....

    ...President Trump has addressed all this and more in an expansive executive order he will sign tomorrow afternoon called “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government.”

    Here is what the order sets out:

    The Executive Order establishes Government-wide the biological reality of two sexes and clearly defines male and female.


    https://www.thefp.com/p/trumps-day-one-executive-order-male-female-gender-ideology-pronouns?hide_intro_popup=true
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    ...

    Did you read the article?

    The problems facing Santander seems to be older than the last six months, particularly the mis-selling of car finance. Without evidence can I throw Brexit as a wildcard?

    Anyway, being as it is the Telegraph, the final sentence appears to have undone the rest of the article.
    Yes why not throw in Brexit ? And Thatcher and the Corn Laws ?

    Thatcher and the Corn Laws are quite probably irrelevant. Brexit, probably not so much. Although being as the article eats itself at the end it is all academic anyway.
    Oh dont worry Labour are screwing up the economy,; there's a lot more pain to come.

    Did I ever tell you Rachel Reeves is shit ?
    Several times each day since 5th July. Do you work for the Daily Mail?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,155
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    9% is of course a terrible score for leader of the Tory party who like to think themselves the natural party of government but it is of course worth remembering that the choice given to the members was her or Robert Jenrick. It's not as if the party membership turned their noses up at a Thatcher or a Cameron. Personally, I have no doubt that, for once, the membership made the right choice. The party is deeply diminished and not just in its number of MPs.

    He's not gone away.

    ConHome just voted Jenrick MP of the year 2024.

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/01/19/our-survey-jenrick-is-conservativehome-readers-2024-mp-of-the-year/
    Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,983

    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Albeit with only one original member left.
    Should be called The Village Person.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 674
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    My marker for the day is the call by the French Human Rights Institute (amongst others) for users to mark the day by leaving Twitter, and in some circles to leave Meta.

    The French Human Rights League is asking the public to join them in a mass exodus of X, formerly Twitter, on US Inauguration Day #Jan20
    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/15/french-group-encourages-mass-departure-from-elon-musks-x-platform-on-us-inauguration-day

    I can't judge any stats on twitter any more because it's full of bots, tits, and twats (see Gipsy Rose Lee Cameron), as well as some sensible people.

    From the Bluesky side, it had stabilised post Musk's end of the pier show at just under a million posts per day, and last night was at just over 28 million users, ticking up at perhaps 60-70k per day.

    Let's see where we are tomorrow morning.

    https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

    Incidentally, here's an extended Rest is Politics interview with Nick Clegg from 5 months ago.

    Biden, Brexit, and kicking Trump off Facebook
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr1k-4SmnRk

    (Enough annoyance there to boost the BP of everyone.)
    Eurgh.
    Campbell's massive blind spot that the person who took millions to run corporate whitewashing for Facebook might not be a nice person is nauseating.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,983

    I see that "non-issue" is still with us:

    Toward the end of the 2024 presidential campaign, Donald Trump’s campaign released an unexpected ad, and one that was extremely politically effective. The tagline—“Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you.”—could go down in history as one of the most effective campaign slogans ever devised.....

    ...President Trump has addressed all this and more in an expansive executive order he will sign tomorrow afternoon called “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government.”

    Here is what the order sets out:

    The Executive Order establishes Government-wide the biological reality of two sexes and clearly defines male and female.


    https://www.thefp.com/p/trumps-day-one-executive-order-male-female-gender-ideology-pronouns?hide_intro_popup=true

    I'm sure that will come as a huge comfort to any woman who finds herself bleeding to death on an operating table thanks to the Dobbs ruling.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,582

    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Albeit with only one original member left.
    Is he the only gay in the village?
  • NEW THREAD

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,373

    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Albeit with only one original member left.
    Bit like the Republican Party.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,352
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    9% is of course a terrible score for leader of the Tory party who like to think themselves the natural party of government but it is of course worth remembering that the choice given to the members was her or Robert Jenrick. It's not as if the party membership turned their noses up at a Thatcher or a Cameron. Personally, I have no doubt that, for once, the membership made the right choice. The party is deeply diminished and not just in its number of MPs.

    He's not gone away.

    ConHome just voted Jenrick MP of the year 2024.

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/01/19/our-survey-jenrick-is-conservativehome-readers-2024-mp-of-the-year/
    It's interesting that the winning number of votes cast Jenrick 127, Kemi 121, Cleverley 27.

    The total number of surveys done by readers is around 540 (from the numbers in the article), rather than the approximately 750-800 it was a few years ago.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,554

    I see that "non-issue" is still with us:

    Toward the end of the 2024 presidential campaign, Donald Trump’s campaign released an unexpected ad, and one that was extremely politically effective. The tagline—“Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you.”—could go down in history as one of the most effective campaign slogans ever devised.....

    ...President Trump has addressed all this and more in an expansive executive order he will sign tomorrow afternoon called “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government.”

    Here is what the order sets out:

    The Executive Order establishes Government-wide the biological reality of two sexes and clearly defines male and female.


    https://www.thefp.com/p/trumps-day-one-executive-order-male-female-gender-ideology-pronouns?hide_intro_popup=true

    Some of us might have highlighted this ad at the time.

    IIRC it polled very well with swing voters in swing states.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1881097319581720647

    President #Trump will sign 200+ executive actions on #Inauguration Day—a massive, record-setting first wave of policy priorities focused on border security, energy, reducing cost of living for American families, ending DEI programs & more.

    I paid a lot of money on eBay many years ago for a Richard Nixon Parker Flighter Bill Signing pen. Today I can simply go to Ryman and buy a Sharpie.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Village People perform live at Trump's pre inaugration rally

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptTc17stBkw

    Do we take this as an endorsement of Trump?
    No they backed Harris but will perform now Trump is President elect and after all he boosted their record sales
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