One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Scraps from their table
I don’t get this attitude. They are surely a net positive to the exchequer. If anything, more of them should live in the UK.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
Earners yes, not leeches.
Have you actually bothered to read how much VAT and Stamp Duty these "leeches" provide?
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
I love that stat. The top rate of tax is only 45%, so it demonstrates just how unequally the UK's income is shared amongst workers.
The UK would be in a much better place if many more people were paying higher rates of income tax, and the top 1% accounted for a much smaller proportion of total revenue.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
I've been out of touch so I don't know if we have noted the death of Denis Law; who was an absolute legend to schoolboys (including this Arsenal supporter) of my era, not least for being tranferred for an unimaginable and record breaking sum of £110,000. I only saw him play in the flesh once, in his final Man City season. RIP.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Oh, they will eff off. And laid entirely at Labour's door.
And you'll still be buffing your class warrior credentials as the hospital wards get closed.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
Using my picture allowance to post this scene I saw yesterday, because you people are the only people I know who will know who Edward Hopper is:
About time we had another Nighthawks thread.
It was only when I saw "Ferris Buellars Day Off" again at Christmas that I realised that the original "Nighthawks" is in the Art Institute Chicago.
There's also a sketch at the Whitney:
Nighthawks always reminds me of a cafe in the City Road. I suppose its charm is that it looks like any establishment with large windows and a long bar.
"Donald Trump has said he will "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a ban that is due to take effect on Sunday, on the eve of his swearing-in as the 47th US president."
Allison Pearson @AllisonPearson · 7h I don’t see how we can avoid a recession. In London last night, streets empty, walk in and get a table in popular restaurants
OTOH there is often a queue at various local chippies in the grim north where I live, where things are made and crops grown and sheep and stuff happen, and white van man is king, a part perhaps Allison Pearson doesn't know very well, so I think we'll avoid one.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Using my picture allowance to post this scene I saw yesterday, because you people are the only people I know who will know who Edward Hopper is:
About time we had another Nighthawks thread.
It was only when I saw "Ferris Buellars Day Off" again at Christmas that I realised that the original "Nighthawks" is in the Art Institute Chicago.
There's also a sketch at the Whitney:
Nighthawks always reminds me of a cafe in the City Road. I suppose its charm is that it looks like any establishment with large windows and a long bar.
Yes, it's one of those mundane sites (sights?) we pass every day but only notice after someone has painted it.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. What could be better to reduce emissions? Our current policies aren't about reducing CO2, they're about controlling the use of energy and vastly increasing its cost.
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
"Donald Trump has said he will "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a ban that is due to take effect on Sunday, on the eve of his swearing-in as the 47th US president."
The legislation takes force, and he can’t repeal it by executive order.
He can decline to enforce its provisions, but for now the company has said they’ll “go dark” anyway. They’re effectively calling the bluff of the US (note their other option under the legislation was to change their uniquely and highly intrusive data collection policy, which they also refuse to do) ….will Trump fold ?
Meanwhile the alternative everyone’s talking about isn’t going to be a realistic one in the US. I got permanently banned from RedNote for “harming national interests” bc I posted a picture of Winnie-The-Pooh😔
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. ..
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. What could be better to reduce emissions? Our current policies aren't about reducing CO2, they're about controlling the use of energy and vastly increasing its cost.
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
Eh?
In what way are you not allowed to install your own batteries?
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. ..
You are.
News to me - my understanding is that there are significant regulatory obstacles surrounding it.
If what you're saying is true, I withdraw that statement and apologise.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. ..
You are.
News to me - my understanding is that there are significant regulatory obstacles surrounding it.
If what you're saying is true, I withdraw that statement and apologise.
It takes two phone calls to arrange the necessary permits.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. What could be better to reduce emissions? Our current policies aren't about reducing CO2, they're about controlling the use of energy and vastly increasing its cost.
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
Wander round the highlands and you'll find plenty of off-grid solar. And turbines.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. What could be better to reduce emissions? Our current policies aren't about reducing CO2, they're about controlling the use of energy and vastly increasing its cost.
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
Wander round the highlands and you'll find plenty of off-grid solar. And turbines.
More are still grid connected but have reached 100% (or near 100%) local power generation.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
They prioritised targets like Plymouth and Coventry, rather than Hampstead and Knightsbridge, even though they were harder to reach. It was easier to take the German top brass for a civilised night out in London than it would have been in peripheral towns and ports. That was JJ's point. Also the Germans wanted England intact for themselves, which is why they avoided the ancient universities and the nicer parts of the capital. But you're right about it being ineffective. The story of the RAF raid on the airport at Port Stanley illustrates the limitation of a bombing raid: two holes in the runway that were repaired overnight.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. What could be better to reduce emissions? Our current policies aren't about reducing CO2, they're about controlling the use of energy and vastly increasing its cost.
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
Eh?
In what way are you not allowed to install your own batteries?
In fact, there is a specific exemption, in planning, that anything less than a fair number of MWh of storage is not considered a power station and subject to industrial planning requirements. Think it might be 30 MWh - which is huge for a solar farm.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
They prioritised targets like Plymouth and Coventry, rather than Hampstead and Knightsbridge, even though they were harder to reach. It was easier to take the German top brass for a civilised night out in London than it would have been in peripheral towns and ports. That was JJ's point. Also the Germans wanted England intact for themselves, which is why they avoided the ancient universities and the nicer parts of the capital. But you're right about it being ineffective. The story of the RAF raid on the airport at Port Stanley illustrates the limitation of a bombing raid: two holes in the runway that were repaired overnight.
'What's the view of the RAF?' I asked.
'Well, you can ask them,' he said dismissively. 'If you're interested in the views of garage mechanics. But I'm afraid they'd want to keep Trident. Only launched from an aeroplane like an Exocet. All they're really interested in is flying around dropping things on people. Not that they're very good at it. They couldn't even close the runway at Port Stanley. They'd probably never even find Moscow. If they did they'd probably miss.'
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. What could be better to reduce emissions? Our current policies aren't about reducing CO2, they're about controlling the use of energy and vastly increasing its cost.
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
Eh?
In what way are you not allowed to install your own batteries?
In fact, there is a specific exemption, in planning, that anything less than a fair number of MWh of storage is not considered a power station and subject to industrial planning requirements. Think it might be 30 MWh - which is huge for a solar farm.
Loch Ossian hostel (familiar to all the train nerds on here) has quite a cool off grid set up too. Hot showers and everything, based on hydro and solar.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
They prioritised targets like Plymouth and Coventry, rather than Hampstead and Knightsbridge, even though they were harder to reach. It was easier to take the German top brass for a civilised night out in London than it would have been in peripheral towns and ports. That was JJ's point. Also the Germans wanted England intact for themselves, which is why they avoided the ancient universities and the nicer parts of the capital. But you're right about it being ineffective. The story of the RAF raid on the airport at Port Stanley illustrates the limitation of a bombing raid: two holes in the runway that were repaired overnight.
Raiding London meant staying over England longer. Which meant a doubling of the chance of being shot down. Costal towns were safer.
The Baedecker Raids were an attempt to wrong foot the defences by hitting almost random targets. To make Hitler happy.
In the case of the Stanley raid, that had exactly the effect the planners wanted. The Argentine airforce withdrew from Stanley airfield - to protect the mainland from expected further aids.
This meant their fighters were dependent on drop tanks to get to the Falklands - they had very few. To fight air-air they had to drop them. Which meant their stock ran out. And they had no fuel to go to afterburner for more than a few seconds.
So they had no fuel to turn-and-burn.
Which was a reason why they lost every air-air engagement.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
They prioritised targets like Plymouth and Coventry, rather than Hampstead and Knightsbridge, even though they were harder to reach. It was easier to take the German top brass for a civilised night out in London than it would have been in peripheral towns and ports. That was JJ's point. Also the Germans wanted England intact for themselves, which is why they avoided the ancient universities and the nicer parts of the capital. But you're right about it being ineffective. The story of the RAF raid on the airport at Port Stanley illustrates the limitation of a bombing raid: two holes in the runway that were repaired overnight.
'What's the view of the RAF?' I asked.
'Well, you can ask them,' he said dismissively. 'If you're interested in the views of garage mechanics. But I'm afraid they'd want to keep Trident. Only launched from an aeroplane like an Exocet. All they're really interested in is flying around dropping things on people. Not that they're very good at it. They couldn't even close the runway at Port Stanley. They'd probably never even find Moscow. If they did they'd probably miss.'
From Yes Prime Minister: The Grand Design.
The RAF hated Trident - since it was money and capability for their worst enemy.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. ..
You are.
News to me - my understanding is that there are significant regulatory obstacles surrounding it.
If what you're saying is true, I withdraw that statement and apologise.
No prob. I’ve been mistaken more than once before.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
They prioritised targets like Plymouth and Coventry, rather than Hampstead and Knightsbridge, even though they were harder to reach. It was easier to take the German top brass for a civilised night out in London than it would have been in peripheral towns and ports. That was JJ's point. Also the Germans wanted England intact for themselves, which is why they avoided the ancient universities and the nicer parts of the capital. But you're right about it being ineffective. The story of the RAF raid on the airport at Port Stanley illustrates the limitation of a bombing raid: two holes in the runway that were repaired overnight.
That wasn't my point...
Incidentally, whilst they did try to avoid bombing Cambridge (there wasn't much of military significance in the tiny city anyway, and the many surrounding airfields were more productive targets...), a German unmanned bomber did land on the allotments off Milton Road. Quite amazing it did not hit any houses.
The Loser’s choice for National Security Adviser is . . . . interesting:
"In February 2020, Rep. Michael Waltz, then a first-term GOP lawmaker, received a coveted invitation to fly to his home state of Florida aboard Air Force One. During the flight, he seized the opportunity to lobby President Donald Trump about an issue to which he had devoted most of his career: the war in Afghanistan.
Trump had just approved a conditional peace agreement with the Taliban that called for the full withdrawal of U.S. troops within 14 months. Waltz, a Green Beret who had served two combat tours in Afghanistan, pleaded with the president to reconsider, arguing that the Taliban couldn’t be trusted and that the U.S. military needed to stay indefinitely." source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/01/17/trump-cabinet-national-security-afghanistan/
The Loser may think it better to have Waltz inside the tent . . . ? That’s the only explanation I can think of, off hand.
(For the record: As I have said in the past, I have no general objection to honorable, competent men and women serving in the Loser's administration -- as long as they don't lie for him.)
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
Impeached President Yoon’s supporters attacked the court which today issued a detention warrant to keep him in custody.
Yoon supporters storm the court, breaking windows and attacking police. Some sprayed fire extinguishers at officers, while shouting demands for judge's whereabouts and threats against Constitutional Court. Photos from Yonhap https://x.com/yejinjgim/status/1880717707987099741
Impeached President Yoon’s supporters attacked the court which today issued a detention warrant to keep him in custody.
Yoon supporters storm the court, breaking windows and attacking police. Some sprayed fire extinguishers at officers, while shouting demands for judge's whereabouts and threats against Constitutional Court. Photos from Yonhap https://x.com/yejinjgim/status/1880717707987099741
I suspect this won’t help their cause.
I’m sure there is an American Supreme Court judgement that a fire extinguisher is a valid legal argument. Something about them in the Bill of Rights?
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
Impeached President Yoon’s supporters attacked the court which today issued a detention warrant to keep him in custody.
Yoon supporters storm the court, breaking windows and attacking police. Some sprayed fire extinguishers at officers, while shouting demands for judge's whereabouts and threats against Constitutional Court. Photos from Yonhap https://x.com/yejinjgim/status/1880717707987099741
I suspect this won’t help their cause.
I’m sure there is an American Supreme Court judgement that a fire extinguisher is a valid legal argument. Something about them in the Bill of Rights?
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
If you made a cash transfer from high to low income households, you'd see overall spending increase given the savings ratios across those groups.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
One of the biggest cash transfers from poor people to wealthy people in history is happening just now under Net Zero. But you seem quite a big fan of that one.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
I actually agree that the initial transition costs of Net Zero should be funded out of general (progressive) taxation, rather than through 3% higher energy bills. The same goes for grants for solar panels and insulation for poorer households/areas.
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
If Net Zero was in any way a genuine attempt to reduce carbon emissions rather than a giant swindle, people would be allowed to install their own solar, off-grid, to power their own homes. ..
You are.
News to me - my understanding is that there are significant regulatory obstacles surrounding it.
If what you're saying is true, I withdraw that statement and apologise.
No prob. I’ve been mistaken more than once before.
Me also - I'm frequently schooled here, and always openly acknowledge the fact.
The Loser’s choice for National Security Adviser is . . . . interesting:
"In February 2020, Rep. Michael Waltz, then a first-term GOP lawmaker, received a coveted invitation to fly to his home state of Florida aboard Air Force One. During the flight, he seized the opportunity to lobby President Donald Trump about an issue to which he had devoted most of his career: the war in Afghanistan.
Trump had just approved a conditional peace agreement with the Taliban that called for the full withdrawal of U.S. troops within 14 months. Waltz, a Green Beret who had served two combat tours in Afghanistan, pleaded with the president to reconsider, arguing that the Taliban couldn’t be trusted and that the U.S. military needed to stay indefinitely." source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/01/17/trump-cabinet-national-security-afghanistan/
The Loser may think it better to have Waltz inside the tent . . . ? That’s the only explanation I can think of, off hand.
(For the record: As I have said in the past, I have no general objection to honorable, competent men and women serving in the Loser's administration -- as long as they don't lie for him.)
Strange nickname you have there for someone who won.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
What do you mean 'tried trickle down'? What does one do whan 'trying trickle down' - stare belligerently at the rich until they give you some money?
The money trickles down when it's spent. That means the tricklees offering goods, services, and a lifestyle that wealthy people want to buy. Tell France's vast luxury goods industry that trickle down is a myth.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
Err.. no
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
They prioritised targets like Plymouth and Coventry, rather than Hampstead and Knightsbridge, even though they were harder to reach. It was easier to take the German top brass for a civilised night out in London than it would have been in peripheral towns and ports. That was JJ's point. Also the Germans wanted England intact for themselves, which is why they avoided the ancient universities and the nicer parts of the capital. But you're right about it being ineffective. The story of the RAF raid on the airport at Port Stanley illustrates the limitation of a bombing raid: two holes in the runway that were repaired overnight.
Raiding London meant staying over England longer. Which meant a doubling of the chance of being shot down. Costal towns were safer.
The Baedecker Raids were an attempt to wrong foot the defences by hitting almost random targets. To make Hitler happy.
In the case of the Stanley raid, that had exactly the effect the planners wanted. The Argentine airforce withdrew from Stanley airfield - to protect the mainland from expected further aids.
This meant their fighters were dependent on drop tanks to get to the Falklands - they had very few. To fight air-air they had to drop them. Which meant their stock ran out. And they had no fuel to go to afterburner for more than a few seconds.
So they had no fuel to turn-and-burn.
Which was a reason why they lost every air-air engagement.
I seem to recall a lot of nights in the air-raid shelter due to German bombers flying along the Thames towards London during my childhood in 1943-4.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
Money people put in banks doesn't just sit in a box. It enables banks to lend to other people, thereby jeeping interest rates low. Or it gets inveated in businesses, thereby providing jobs. That million pounds in the bank isn't lazy.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
The US tax system, using all kind of exceptions and allowances, means you can be onshore and engineer paying next to nothing in tax.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
How closely does the top 1% of earners correspond to the top 1% of income tax payers? Without that knowledge it feels like you are just describing one end of a bell curve.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
Money people put in banks doesn't just sit in a box. It enables banks to lend to other people, thereby jeeping interest rates low. Or it gets inveated in businesses, thereby providing jobs. That million pounds in the bank isn't lazy.
It dose mean the whims of the wealthiest are put far ahead of those without so much. IMO high inequality distorts an economy towards luxe goods and services and makes a society more brittle and over reliant on serving the monied.
Its easy to say: well without the wealthiest you will be worse off, but would we? The productive capacity of the UK would not change but the demands on it would.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
Money people put in banks doesn't just sit in a box. It enables banks to lend to other people, thereby jeeping interest rates low. Or it gets inveated in businesses, thereby providing jobs. That million pounds in the bank isn't lazy.
What if it is put in an offshore account? How do we benefit then?
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
How closely does the top 1% of earners correspond to the top 1% of income tax payers? Without that knowledge it feels like you are just describing one end of a bell curve.
Trump team is questioning civil servants at National Security Council about commitment to his agenda
WASHINGTON (AP) — Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servants who work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump’s team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters. https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-nsc-loyalty-waltz-21913da0464f472cb9fef314fed488e5
That's Modi or Erdogan playbook - apply a personal loyalty test to the professional civil service, replacing best advice with what the boss wants to hear.
Have you read Project 2025?
"Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress" Note President first - Congress second - Constitution?
I'm familiar with that - yes. As you say - problematic.
Issue 1 - Trump won't be following his claimed intentions, which the 48.7% (or whatever it was) of the vote. Indeed, he publicly played down Project 2025, and his voters swallowed it.
Issue 2 - Removal of the people who are there to be his expert advisors will prevent him implementing his policy. It is normal process for the NSC staff to work for
He's building himself a civil service of yes men, who won't tell him when he's bullshitting or proposing something illegal or unconstitutional - leaving aside that the Supreme Court is already full of yes men who have rewritten parts of the constitution.
Which is, as I say, the Modi or Erdogan playbook - build a semi-dictatorship by subverting the democracy.
Trump team is questioning civil servants at National Security Council about commitment to his agenda
WASHINGTON (AP) — Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servants who work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump’s team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters. https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-nsc-loyalty-waltz-21913da0464f472cb9fef314fed488e5
That's Modi or Erdogan playbook - apply a personal loyalty test to the professional civil service, replacing best advice with what the boss wants to hear.
Have you read Project 2025?
"Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress" Note President first - Congress second - Constitution?
I'm familiar with that - yes. As you say - problematic.
Issue 1 - Trump won't be following his claimed intentions, which the 48.7% (or whatever it was) of the vote. Indeed, he publicly played down Project 2025, and his voters swallowed it.
Issue 2 - Removal of the people who are there to be his expert advisors will prevent him implementing his policy. It is normal process for the NSC staff to work for
He's building himself a civil service of yes men, who won't tell him when he's bullshitting or proposing something illegal or unconstitutional - leaving aside that the Supreme Court is already full of yes men who have rewritten parts of the constitution.
Which is, as I say, the Modi or Erdogan playbook - build a semi-dictatorship by subverting the democracy.
Whilst that's true, isn't it appropriate for the bureaucrats to be responsible to the President first, as they form part of the Executive branch?
I think a businessman with six bankruptcies, a leader of the US who surrenders to the Taliban, a leader of the Republican party who kept that party from winning control of the Senate twice, etc., etc., deserves to be called "Loser".
I think a businessman with six bankruptcies, a leader of the US who surrenders to the Taliban, a leader of the Republican party who kept that party from winning control of the Senate twice, etc., etc., deserves to be called "Loser".
Trump team is questioning civil servants at National Security Council about commitment to his agenda
WASHINGTON (AP) — Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servants who work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump’s team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters. https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-nsc-loyalty-waltz-21913da0464f472cb9fef314fed488e5
That's Modi or Erdogan playbook - apply a personal loyalty test to the professional civil service, replacing best advice with what the boss wants to hear.
Have you read Project 2025?
"Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress" Note President first - Congress second - Constitution?
I'm familiar with that - yes. As you say - problematic.
Issue 1 - Trump won't be following his claimed intentions, which the 48.7% (or whatever it was) of the vote. Indeed, he publicly played down Project 2025, and his voters swallowed it.
Issue 2 - Removal of the people who are there to be his expert advisors will prevent him implementing his policy. It is normal process for the NSC staff to work for
He's building himself a civil service of yes men, who won't tell him when he's bullshitting or proposing something illegal or unconstitutional - leaving aside that the Supreme Court is already full of yes men who have rewritten parts of the constitution.
Which is, as I say, the Modi or Erdogan playbook - build a semi-dictatorship by subverting the democracy.
Whilst that's true, isn't it appropriate for the bureaucrats to be responsible to the President first, as they form part of the Executive branch?
The largest chunk of the Federal civil service works for the Executive Branch, I believe. There are non-trivial numbers working for the Judicial and Legislative Branches, though
Trump team is questioning civil servants at National Security Council about commitment to his agenda
WASHINGTON (AP) — Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servants who work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump’s team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters. https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-nsc-loyalty-waltz-21913da0464f472cb9fef314fed488e5
That's Modi or Erdogan playbook - apply a personal loyalty test to the professional civil service, replacing best advice with what the boss wants to hear.
Have you read Project 2025?
"Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress" Note President first - Congress second - Constitution?
I'm familiar with that - yes. As you say - problematic.
Issue 1 - Trump won't be following his claimed intentions, which the 48.7% (or whatever it was) of the vote. Indeed, he publicly played down Project 2025, and his voters swallowed it.
Issue 2 - Removal of the people who are there to be his expert advisors will prevent him implementing his policy. It is normal process for the NSC staff to work for
He's building himself a civil service of yes men, who won't tell him when he's bullshitting or proposing something illegal or unconstitutional - leaving aside that the Supreme Court is already full of yes men who have rewritten parts of the constitution.
Which is, as I say, the Modi or Erdogan playbook - build a semi-dictatorship by subverting the democracy.
Whilst that's true, isn't it appropriate for the bureaucrats to be responsible to the President first, as they form part of the Executive branch?
The largest chunk of the Federal civil service works for the Executive Branch, I believe. There are non-trivial numbers working for the Judicial and Legislative Branches, though
Sure, I take the point. It still means that listing the president first isn't unjustified.
Incidentally, there is a good anecdote in Helen Fry's book about the German generals in captivity. Apparently the bods at MI19 would take the very top captured generals for tea and a dance in the centre of London. Partly this was to soften them up and make them more likely to talk; but they also chose a route into London that passed no bombed-out areas. Goebbels had told the German people that London was a bombed-out ruin; the journeys into London told the prisoners that was a lie. Apparently it shocked them, as did the quantity and quality of food made available to them.
The Germans were fairly economical in their raids and concentrated on useful targets, although the occasional wayward bomb might have shattered the calm of a Bloomsbury evening. There really isn't much military advantage in killing civilians, even those of high net worth.
(Although the 34 killed when the Café de Paris on Coventry Street was bombed during the Blitz might have had their evening's entertainment quite ruined...)
I think a businessman with six bankruptcies, a leader of the US who surrenders to the Taliban, a leader of the Republican party who kept that party from winning control of the Senate twice, etc., etc., deserves to be called "Loser".
Says someone posting on a foreign internet forum.
(narrator: I think the PB servers are based in Florida? @rcs1000 is that true?)
I think a businessman with six bankruptcies, a leader of the US who surrenders to the Taliban, a leader of the Republican party who kept that party from winning control of the Senate twice, etc., etc., deserves to be called "Loser".
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
Money people put in banks doesn't just sit in a box. It enables banks to lend to other people, thereby jeeping interest rates low. Or it gets inveated in businesses, thereby providing jobs. That million pounds in the bank isn't lazy.
What if it is put in an offshore account? How do we benefit then?
The offshore bank still needs to earn a return on deposits: how else does it pay its staff and rent, etc. So it will either lend the money out, or invest in government bonds.
I grant you that this may benefit people other than British taxpayers.
Impeached President Yoon’s supporters attacked the court which today issued a detention warrant to keep him in custody.
Yoon supporters storm the court, breaking windows and attacking police. Some sprayed fire extinguishers at officers, while shouting demands for judge's whereabouts and threats against Constitutional Court. Photos from Yonhap https://x.com/yejinjgim/status/1880717707987099741
I suspect this won’t help their cause.
Once the self coup failed to work it was really time for any supporters to cut their losses and rebrand or something.
"Donald Trump has said he will "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a ban that is due to take effect on Sunday, on the eve of his swearing-in as the 47th US president."
Trump team is questioning civil servants at National Security Council about commitment to his agenda
WASHINGTON (AP) — Incoming senior Trump administration officials have begun questioning career civil servants who work on the White House National Security Council about who they voted for in the 2024 election, their political contributions and whether they have made social media posts that could be considered incriminating by President-elect Donald Trump’s team, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.
At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters. https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-nsc-loyalty-waltz-21913da0464f472cb9fef314fed488e5
That's Modi or Erdogan playbook - apply a personal loyalty test to the professional civil service, replacing best advice with what the boss wants to hear.
See also Liz Truss, anyone advised by #ClassicDom, and even back to New Labour, hence SpAds. We have had three decades of rule by politicians who thought Yes Minister was a documentary.
When actually it was worse.
The US is very fortunate that is has a more political appointees and less permanent civil servants, but evidently Trump feels the balance still isn't right, and he has a mandate to do something about it.
Trump's 1.3% mandate was to bring down the price of eggs and 'gas' not put in place political appointees who know nothing about the job in hand but will do whatever Trump tells them.
My cryptocurrency-trading son is currently in a state of high excitement/agitation about the overnight release of Trump Coin. Apparently he woke up to find that his various crypto holdings had dropped about 30% as traders switched investments to Trump Coin. I presume its release has made a packet for Trump and his close associates; my lad reckoned it would be illegal in most countries. Anyway, he has now swallowed his principles and is now also providing liquidity for Trump Coin.
In the T&Cs it is clear that only about 20% of it is being provided to the public, and most of the rest goes to Trump controlled entities - which he will gradually dump over time.
What will it be worth in 4 years?
Trump is just a con man elected President. But we all know that. It's just the latest grift.
I think the most basic values of the US Presidency require him to remove himself from controlling his businesses - Blind Trust's a so on. But he just thinks he's above the law, and his appointed yes men will not challenge him, just as his yes Senators have not challenged his unqualified appointees. Jimmy Carter, for example, put his farm in a blind trust, whilst Trump used the Presidency as a money-making opportunity.
"Donald Trump has said he will "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a ban that is due to take effect on Sunday, on the eve of his swearing-in as the 47th US president."
The legislation takes force, and he can’t repeal it by executive order.
He can decline to enforce its provisions
And pretend that is a reprieve, I suspect.
There is actually quite a bit of precedent for US Presidents refusing to enforce Federal laws. There have even been lawsuits to stop *states* enforcing Federal laws the Executive branch doesn't like.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Ah, the "Trickle Down Economy"
Which usually means they are pissing on us.
Rich people spend money.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
The US has repeatedly tried trickle down and it has not worked. Most of the money just accrues in the multimillionaires’ bank accounts.
Money people put in banks doesn't just sit in a box. It enables banks to lend to other people, thereby keeping interest rates low. Or it gets invested in businesses, thereby providing jobs. That million pounds in the bank isn't lazy.
What if it is put in an offshore account? How do we benefit then?
Revealed: Conservatives spent £134m on never-used IT systems for failed Rwanda scheme
The Conservative government spent more than £130m on IT and data systems for the scheme to send asylum seekers to Rwanda, which will never be used, the Observer can reveal.
Digital tools needed to put the forced removal programme into effect made up the second-largest chunk of the £715m spent in little over two years, behind only the £290m handed directly to Paul Kagame’s government.
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Am I reading this right, and they spaffed the best part of a billion quid on this policy, with nothing to show for it?
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Scraps from their table
I don’t get this attitude. They are surely a net positive to the exchequer. If anything, more of them should live in the UK.
There's a balancing act in terms not just giving very rich people any generous policy they want - there are surely more than enough ways for rich people to avoid paying tax for a start - and being counterproductive by driving off usefully high tax contributors.
I have no way of knowing when we've gotten that balance wrong in advance, since rich people moan about any taxation, just as poorer people do, and economists generally seem to be in the business of reading tea leaves.
But if we were in a generally decent economic state we're probably do better at retaining millionaires even if we raised taxes on them. I mean, until recently super rich people and companies were putting up with high tax California?
"Donald Trump has said he will "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a ban that is due to take effect on Sunday, on the eve of his swearing-in as the 47th US president."
The legislation takes force, and he can’t repeal it by executive order.
He can decline to enforce its provisions
And pretend that is a reprieve, I suspect.
There is actually quite a bit of precedent for US Presidents refusing to enforce Federal laws. There have even been lawsuits to stop *states* enforcing Federal laws the Executive branch doesn't like.
What I meant was pretending a failure to enforce is the same as issuing some kind of formal reprieve as if it was an executive order (even if de facto there was little difference it would not be quite the same)
"Donald Trump has said he will "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a ban that is due to take effect on Sunday, on the eve of his swearing-in as the 47th US president."
The legislation takes force, and he can’t repeal it by executive order.
He can decline to enforce its provisions
And pretend that is a reprieve, I suspect.
There is actually quite a bit of precedent for US Presidents refusing to enforce Federal laws. There have even been lawsuits to stop *states* enforcing Federal laws the Executive branch doesn't like.
What I meant was pretending a failure to enforce is the same as issuing some kind of formal reprieve as if it was an executive order (even if de facto there was little difference it would not be quite the same)
Without wishing to be nice about President-To-Be Trump, I think that if he temporarily stops the enforcement of the law banning Tik Tok, Tik Tok and most of their users will take that as a reprieve.
IIRC at least some of the cases of the Executive branch blocking enforcement of Federal laws was by executive order. Obama and immigration legislation comes to mind?
Only the paranoid could see digital driving licences as a prototype ID card.
Oh, hold on. They will be accessed on a new government smartphone app and could be accepted as a form of ID when buying alcohol, voting, or boarding domestic flights. ... considering integrating other services into the app, such as tax payments and benefits claims.
What about non-drivers? Hmmm ... could be renamed "driving status docuiments" - free for non-drivers?
The concept of licences for non-drivers already exists - eg someone who drives illegally before 17 gets a "shadow driving license", which has points on it.
I also wonder how this would work with banned drivers, who have had to return their licences.
Hopefully one with "BANNED" across it in red letters .
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
How closely does the top 1% of earners correspond to the top 1% of income tax payers? Without that knowledge it feels like you are just describing one end of a bell curve.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Yes but they go shopping and hire staff and take taxis and all the rest of it. There's more to the economy than income tax.
Scraps from their table
I don’t get this attitude. They are surely a net positive to the exchequer. If anything, more of them should live in the UK.
There's a balancing act in terms not just giving very rich people any generous policy they want - there are surely more than enough ways for rich people to avoid paying tax for a start - and being counterproductive by driving off usefully high tax contributors.
I have no way of knowing when we've gotten that balance wrong in advance, since rich people moan about any taxation, just as poorer people do, and economists generally seem to be in the business of reading tea leaves.
But if we were in a generally decent economic state we're probably do better at retaining millionaires even if we raised taxes on them. I mean, until recently super rich people and companies were putting up with high tax California?
We're nowhere near in their league, admittedly.
Super rich people in California were (and are) not paying much tax. This is because the US tax code has enough allowances, exceptions and loop holes that paying tax is practically optional.
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
How closely does the top 1% of earners correspond to the top 1% of income tax payers? Without that knowledge it feels like you are just describing one end of a bell curve.
Could you paste in the data? My eyesight is so bad I can hardly see the image.
As CSV
Numbers of Income Tax payers are in thousands. Amounts are in millions unless otherwise stated.,,,,, Range of total income (lower limit),Total number of Income Tax payers,Total income,Total Income Tax liability,Average rate of Income Tax,Average amount of Income Tax in £ "£12,570 ","2,790","38,200",620,1.60%,222 "£15,000 ","5,580","97,200","4,800",4.90%,860 "£20,000 ","10,100","250,000","22,600",9%,"2,230" "£30,000 ","11,000","422,000","52,400",12.40%,"4,780" "£50,000 ","6,110","401,000","75,600",18.90%,"12,400" "£100,000 ","1,010","120,000","35,200",29.40%,"35,000" "£150,000 ",357,"61,700","21,100",34.30%,"59,100" "£200,000 ",336,"96,300","36,600",38%,"109,000" "£500,000 ",59,"39,800","16,300",40.90%,"277,000" "£1,000,000 ",20,"27,800","11,400",40.90%,"556,000" "£2,000,000+",11,"61,300","24,500",40%,"2,250,000"
You should be able to import that into Excel/Libre Office
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
How closely does the top 1% of earners correspond to the top 1% of income tax payers? Without that knowledge it feels like you are just describing one end of a bell curve.
Could you paste in the data? My eyesight is so bad I can hardly see the image.
As CSV
Numbers of Income Tax payers are in thousands. Amounts are in millions unless otherwise stated.,,,,, Range of total income (lower limit),Total number of Income Tax payers,Total income,Total Income Tax liability,Average rate of Income Tax,Average amount of Income Tax in £ "£12,570 ","2,790","38,200",620,1.60%,222 "£15,000 ","5,580","97,200","4,800",4.90%,860 "£20,000 ","10,100","250,000","22,600",9%,"2,230" "£30,000 ","11,000","422,000","52,400",12.40%,"4,780" "£50,000 ","6,110","401,000","75,600",18.90%,"12,400" "£100,000 ","1,010","120,000","35,200",29.40%,"35,000" "£150,000 ",357,"61,700","21,100",34.30%,"59,100" "£200,000 ",336,"96,300","36,600",38%,"109,000" "£500,000 ",59,"39,800","16,300",40.90%,"277,000" "£1,000,000 ",20,"27,800","11,400",40.90%,"556,000" "£2,000,000+",11,"61,300","24,500",40%,"2,250,000"
You should be able to import that into Excel/Libre Office
Cheers! Much appreciated!
Edit: Somewhat to my amusement, my 'AI' tool is wanting to remove the high earner lines from the data. Engage those VC-funded tinfoil hats... ;-)
One weekend, it will be the straightforward delights of Skegness seafront; the next, the flashy private beach clubs of Dubai.
Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK and its MP for Boston and Skegness, is splitting his time not just between his Lincolnshire constituency and the House of Commons, but is also spending time 3,500 miles away in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). “We are spreading our international reach,” he said.
The Observer has established that some months ago his partner, the journalist Isabel Oakeshott, moved out to Dubai with her children.
Another couple of Brexiteers have exited. What a surprise...
Along with everyone else who can afford to since Sir Vortex of Shit rode in to save the country (the country being Mauritius - should have checked the small print).
I couldn't give two hours about millionaires leaving the country. They don't pay their fair share of tax anyway. They can eff off.
Eh? The top 1% of earners pay 29% of income tax. We are in deep, deep shit if they go.
What percentage of income do the top 1% "earn" greater than or less than 29%?
In 2024-2025, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3 per cent of total income and paid 28.2 per cent of income tax.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
How closely does the top 1% of earners correspond to the top 1% of income tax payers? Without that knowledge it feels like you are just describing one end of a bell curve.
Could you paste in the data? My eyesight is so bad I can hardly see the image.
As CSV
Numbers of Income Tax payers are in thousands. Amounts are in millions unless otherwise stated.,,,,,
Range of total income (lower limit),Total number of Income Tax payers,Total income,Total Income Tax liability,Average rate of Income Tax,Average amount of Income Tax in £ "£12,570 ","2,790","38,200",620,1.60%,222 "£15,000 ","5,580","97,200","4,800",4.90%,860 "£20,000 ","10,100","250,000","22,600",9%,"2,230" "£30,000 ","11,000","422,000","52,400",12.40%,"4,780" "£50,000 ","6,110","401,000","75,600",18.90%,"12,400" "£100,000 ","1,010","120,000","35,200",29.40%,"35,000" "£150,000 ",357,"61,700","21,100",34.30%,"59,100" "£200,000 ",336,"96,300","36,600",38%,"109,000" "£500,000 ",59,"39,800","16,300",40.90%,"277,000" "£1,000,000 ",20,"27,800","11,400",40.90%,"556,000" "£2,000,000+",11,"61,300","24,500",40%,"2,250,000"
You should be able to import that into Excel/Libre Office
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Which usually means they are pissing on us.
They pay for the NHS.
The UK would be in a much better place if many more people were paying higher rates of income tax, and the top 1% accounted for a much smaller proportion of total revenue.
Your spurious denial of this sounds like sour grapes because they're choosing en masse to spend it in other places than Starmer's 1984 theme park.
This was particularly pronounced during the pandemic, when poor people were getting furloughed and rich people couldn't go on holiday.
And you'll still be buffing your class warrior credentials as the hospital wards get closed.
Nobody seems to understand that the best way to take money off the wealthy and give it to the poor is a fast moving high churn economy with low barriers to entry, low commodity prices, and high social mobility. New businesses and entrepreneurs. Grammar schools. No great agglomeration of wealth with a few superich billionaires. You stupidly argue for a few socialistic scraps from their table whilst reinforcing the system that keeps the vastly wealthy vastly wealthy by preventing others joining their club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwypng0rw0lo
Transport is the next big challenge, and that's why funding the low carbon methods of getting around that poorer people use (walking, cycling, buses) should be a priority, particularly as you would get some big positive externalities from doing so on obesity, congestion and accessibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIwuySOwei0
All of their raids were wasteful of bombers and men. And nearly entirely targeted civilians. Right from the start. Their tactical bombing was effective, but the larger scale stuff was a waste of time.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They have sown the wind, and so they shall reap the whirlwind.”
There isn't a transition - don't kid yourself. There are countries that are credulous enough to deindustrialise and countries who pay it lip service and get on with doing what they need to do.
The legislation takes force, and he can’t repeal it by executive order.
He can decline to enforce its provisions, but for now the company has said they’ll “go dark” anyway. They’re effectively calling the bluff of the US (note their other option under the legislation was to change their uniquely and highly intrusive data collection policy, which they also refuse to do) ….will Trump fold ?
Meanwhile the alternative everyone’s talking about isn’t going to be a realistic one in the US.
I got permanently banned from RedNote for “harming national interests” bc I posted a picture of Winnie-The-Pooh😔
In case you don’t know: Winnie-the-Pooh is censored in China because internet memes compare him to Xi Jinping
https://x.com/pitdesi/status/1880296703225655754
(Also note that TikTok is banned in China.)
In what way are you not allowed to install your own batteries?
If what you're saying is true, I withdraw that statement and apologise.
https://www.fmb.org.uk/homepicks/solar-panels/living-off-grid/
You may need planning permission for any additional structures.
Heating oil, diesel and generators are expensive.
'Well, you can ask them,' he said dismissively. 'If you're interested in the views of garage mechanics. But I'm afraid they'd want to keep Trident. Only launched from an aeroplane like an Exocet. All they're really interested in is flying around dropping things on people. Not that they're very good at it. They couldn't even close the runway at Port Stanley. They'd probably never even find Moscow. If they did they'd probably miss.'
From Yes Prime Minister: The Grand Design.
The Baedecker Raids were an attempt to wrong foot the defences by hitting almost random targets. To make Hitler happy.
In the case of the Stanley raid, that had exactly the effect the planners wanted. The Argentine airforce withdrew from Stanley airfield - to protect the mainland from expected further aids.
This meant their fighters were dependent on drop tanks to get to the Falklands - they had very few. To fight air-air they had to drop them. Which meant their stock ran out. And they had no fuel to go to afterburner for more than a few seconds.
So they had no fuel to turn-and-burn.
Which was a reason why they lost every air-air engagement.
They closed Stanley runway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-V2VB-VCIk
I’ve been mistaken more than once before.
Incidentally, whilst they did try to avoid bombing Cambridge (there wasn't much of military significance in the tiny city anyway, and the many surrounding airfields were more productive targets...), a German unmanned bomber did land on the allotments off Milton Road. Quite amazing it did not hit any houses.
https://capturingcambridge.org/chesterton-2/old-chesterton-allotment-society/
"In February 2020, Rep. Michael Waltz, then a first-term GOP lawmaker, received a coveted invitation to fly to his home state of Florida aboard Air Force One. During the flight, he seized the opportunity to lobby President Donald Trump about an issue to which he had devoted most of his career: the war in Afghanistan.
Trump had just approved a conditional peace agreement with the Taliban that called for the full withdrawal of U.S. troops within 14 months. Waltz, a Green Beret who had served two combat tours in Afghanistan, pleaded with the president to reconsider, arguing that the Taliban couldn’t be trusted and that the U.S. military needed to stay indefinitely."
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2025/01/17/trump-cabinet-national-security-afghanistan/
The Loser may think it better to have Waltz inside the tent . . . ? That’s the only explanation I can think of, off hand.
(For the record: As I have said in the past, I have no general objection to honorable, competent men and women serving in the Loser's administration -- as long as they don't lie for him.)
Yoon supporters storm the court, breaking windows and attacking police. Some sprayed fire extinguishers at officers, while shouting demands for judge's whereabouts and threats against Constitutional Court. Photos from Yonhap
https://x.com/yejinjgim/status/1880717707987099741
I suspect this won’t help their cause.
The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1 per cent of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2 per cent of income tax
🇮🇹#Italy, approval rating poll:
Elon Musk:
Approve: 18 %
Disapprove: 70 %
President-elect Trump:
Approve: 19 %
Disapprove: 74 %
YouTrend, 10/01/25
https://x.com/ElectsWorld/status/1880639265002213473
All residential.
http://bombsight.org/#13/51.4805/-0.2243
The money trickles down when it's spent. That means the tricklees offering goods, services, and a lifestyle that wealthy people want to buy. Tell France's vast luxury goods industry that trickle down is a myth.
Oppose: 76%
Support: 24%
Harris / January 16, 2025 / n=2650
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1880711394036944908
I've encountered the revisionist myth that the Luftwaffe were precision bombers and the RAF indiscriminate before.
Which overlooks this
It was rebuilt like this:
https://live.staticflickr.com/8181/8034058821_5dc58c5635_b.jpg
You can't actually do that in the UK.
Its easy to say: well without the wealthiest you will be worse off, but would we? The productive capacity of the UK would not change but the demands on it would.
I extracted some data and got this
Issue 1 - Trump won't be following his claimed intentions, which the 48.7% (or whatever it was) of the vote. Indeed, he publicly played down Project 2025, and his voters swallowed it.
Issue 2 - Removal of the people who are there to be his expert advisors will prevent him implementing his policy. It is normal process for the NSC staff to work for
He's building himself a civil service of yes men, who won't tell him when he's bullshitting or proposing something illegal or unconstitutional - leaving aside that the Supreme Court is already full of yes men who have rewritten parts of the constitution.
Which is, as I say, the Modi or Erdogan playbook - build a semi-dictatorship by subverting the democracy.
https://stjameslondon.co.uk/news/blitz-at-the-ritz
(Although the 34 killed when the Café de Paris on Coventry Street was bombed during the Blitz might have had their evening's entertainment quite ruined...)
I grant you that this may benefit people other than British taxpayers.
What will it be worth in 4 years?
Trump is just a con man elected President. But we all know that. It's just the latest grift.
I think the most basic values of the US Presidency require him to remove himself from controlling his businesses - Blind Trust's a so on. But he just thinks he's above the law, and his appointed yes men will not challenge him, just as his yes Senators have not challenged his unqualified appointees. Jimmy Carter, for example, put his farm in a blind trust, whilst Trump used the Presidency as a money-making opportunity.
⏬CPC: 45 % (-3)
⏫LPC: 26 % (+7)
🔽NDP: 13 % (-2)
⏸️BQ: 8 %
⏸️GPC: 4 %
🔽PPC: 3 % (-1)
...
Mainstreet Research, 15/01/24
https://x.com/ElectsWorld/status/1880644448708874711
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/18/revealed-conservatives-spent-134m-on-never-used-it-systems-for-failed-rwanda-scheme
Revealed: Conservatives spent £134m on never-used IT systems for failed Rwanda scheme
The Conservative government spent more than £130m on IT and data systems for the scheme to send asylum seekers to Rwanda, which will never be used, the Observer can reveal.
Digital tools needed to put the forced removal programme into effect made up the second-largest chunk of the £715m spent in little over two years, behind only the £290m handed directly to Paul Kagame’s government.
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Am I reading this right, and they spaffed the best part of a billion quid on this policy, with nothing to show for it?
I have no way of knowing when we've gotten that balance wrong in advance, since rich people moan about any taxation, just as poorer people do, and economists generally seem to be in the business of reading tea leaves.
But if we were in a generally decent economic state we're probably do better at retaining millionaires even if we raised taxes on them. I mean, until recently super rich people and companies were putting up with high tax California?
We're nowhere near in their league, admittedly.
IIRC at least some of the cases of the Executive branch blocking enforcement of Federal laws was by executive order. Obama and immigration legislation comes to mind?
I also wonder how this would work with banned drivers, who have had to return their licences.
Hopefully one with "BANNED" across it in red letters
The UK has much, much less of this.
@TrumpWarRoom
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🚨 President Donald J. Trump and the First Lady have departed Palm Beach and are officially en route to Washington, D.C.
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Numbers of Income Tax payers are in thousands. Amounts are in millions unless otherwise stated.,,,,,
Range of total income (lower limit),Total number of Income Tax payers,Total income,Total Income Tax liability,Average rate of Income Tax,Average amount of Income Tax in £
"£12,570 ","2,790","38,200",620,1.60%,222
"£15,000 ","5,580","97,200","4,800",4.90%,860
"£20,000 ","10,100","250,000","22,600",9%,"2,230"
"£30,000 ","11,000","422,000","52,400",12.40%,"4,780"
"£50,000 ","6,110","401,000","75,600",18.90%,"12,400"
"£100,000 ","1,010","120,000","35,200",29.40%,"35,000"
"£150,000 ",357,"61,700","21,100",34.30%,"59,100"
"£200,000 ",336,"96,300","36,600",38%,"109,000"
"£500,000 ",59,"39,800","16,300",40.90%,"277,000"
"£1,000,000 ",20,"27,800","11,400",40.90%,"556,000"
"£2,000,000+",11,"61,300","24,500",40%,"2,250,000"
You should be able to import that into Excel/Libre Office
Edit: Somewhat to my amusement, my 'AI' tool is wanting to remove the high earner lines from the data. Engage those VC-funded tinfoil hats... ;-)