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Scottish independence is off the radar says Sturgeon – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,254
edited January 13 in General
imageScottish independence is off the radar says Sturgeon – politicalbetting.com

As leader of the SNP Nicola Sturgeon won eight elections in a row. But her failure to find a path to Scottish independence looms over her. Over Lunch with the FT she talks scandals, falling out with Alex Salmond — and why referendum pressure will return https://t.co/v6kJdzANPD pic.twitter.com/4uGKpju1yL

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    New threaded again.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    Agreed. This one is a good one for Ladbrokes cashflow, less so for punters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    FPT

    ohnotnow said:

    Apologies if this has already been covered and doubly so for an AI post :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr05jykzkxo

    PM plans to 'unleash AI' across UK to boost growth

    The AI Opportunities Action Plan being announced on Monday will be backed by leading tech firms, which are said to have committed £14bn towards various projects, creating 13,250 jobs.

    ...

    The government says "AI Growth Zones" will be set up across the UK, with speedy planning proposals in place to create new infrastructure.

    ---

    I don't like to be cynical - but... as someone who spends quite a lot of time in this space, .... wut?

    The word 'unleash' in a big announcement is always a warning sign.

    Some achieve things before making big announcements.

    Some make big announcements before achieving things.

    As an IT professional, an AI user and and an AI… not skeptic, exactly, but…

    AI for writing software is usable as a coding assistant. So it can, for some tasks, increase productivity. That is, I can write more useable code if it get it to do some of the scutt work.

    The accuracy of the code it generates is problematic - so a human needs to write tests, for example. The code it writes also requires someone to check it for funky features.

    So it is a productive tool, but needs an intelligent, engaged human to direct it, check the results and adapt it into useful code.

    Historically, productivity increases like this have increased economic activity.

    Equally, it can be used to turn a few sentences into a badly written telephone directory sized report. And then back to a few sentences. Which suggests a use in the Process State….

    So it can either create a productivity improvement or an increase in miring us in bullshit paperwork. Probably both.

    The above announcement sounds like bullshit to me. How do “AI growth zones” need a locality?
    They need power - lots if it, and cheap - and a local planning regime allowing rapid development.

    This is actually one of the government's better policies.

    As an added bonus, it might lead to localised for trinity pricing, which would massively benefit the entire UK electricity market.

    That they're starting to do it within the first year of taking office, suggests they might not be quite the sclerotic dinosaur of PB conventional wisdom.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    So how is that SNP finances case progressing?

    Now they don’t even want to do what they raised all that money for…
  • This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    Sandpit said:

    So how is that SNP finances case progressing?

    Now they don’t even want to do what they raised all that money for…

    It might have escaped your notice, but Sturgeon is no longer leader.

    To paraphrase Wells,
    ...across the gulf of the border, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regard this union with envious eyes, and slowly and surely draw their plans against us. And early in the twenty first century will come the great disillusionment...

    But yes, I'm not betting on it.
  • Wings has gone absolutely mental over this.

    Then again, they are always absolutely mental.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,208
    The consequences of dropping economics as a subject in secondary school are a little troubling but my perception is that the cynical abuse of independence to constantly march their supporters up and down the hill to win those 8 elections has come at a price.

    Very few people think independence is the priority. Our priorities, like the rest of the UK, are our failing state, whether that is a collapsing health service, a collapsing education system, a complete inability to deliver necessary infrastructure or even ferries for the Western Isles. We have a state focused on the minority that work for it at the cost of everyone else. It is simply not sustainable but it is not a uniquely Scottish problem and very few believe that somehow independence would make it any better.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    I see austerity is back in fashion
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    DavidL said:

    The consequences of dropping economics as a subject in secondary school are a little troubling but my perception is that the cynical abuse of independence to constantly march their supporters up and down the hill to win those 8 elections has come at a price.

    Very few people think independence is the priority. Our priorities, like the rest of the UK, are our failing state, whether that is a collapsing health service, a collapsing education system, a complete inability to deliver necessary infrastructure or even ferries for the Western Isles. We have a state focused on the minority that work for it at the cost of everyone else. It is simply not sustainable but it is not a uniquely Scottish problem and very few believe that somehow independence would make it any better.

    Loving the painted fake windows, and plywood funnels story.
    It provides a fitting epitaph to her leadership.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,208

    Wings has gone absolutely mental over this.

    Then again, they are always absolutely mental.

    Witty though. And he does some proper research and context to his stories unlike most of the MSM.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,208

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    Turns out it wasn't a choice after all. Who'd have thought?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    DavidL said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    Turns out it wasn't a choice after all. Who'd have thought?
    I wonder if all those who told us no cuts could be made will be dining on crow ?

    Probably not.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.
  • The irony is that there could be good arguments for independence coming down the line.
    For example if Scotland, which had the good sense not to privatise water, has to fork out to subsidise the affluent SE of England if Thames Water goes broke.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    What did they expect, after wasting huge amounts of their political capital on raising pretty much meaningless sums of money?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,253
    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?
  • kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Musk will become Nikolai Yezhov.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489

    The irony is that there could be good arguments for independence coming down the line.
    For example if Scotland, which had the good sense not to privatise water, has to fork out to subsidise the affluent SE of England if Thames Water goes broke.

    If Thames Water goes broke then their shareholders and bondholders take the hit, there’s no need for the government to get involved. The water infrastructure will all still be there, and the receiver can organise a sale of that part of the business.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    And Trump's presidency might see rates push higher still, as the US has rather more influence in the markets than does the UK Treasury.

    However good or however crap the Chancellor is doesn't do much to change that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,095
    edited January 13
    Jack Draper (rank 15) having a hard time of it in Australian Open first round against Argentinian Mariano Navone (rank 47). Time to think about some bets.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,208
    DavidL said:

    Wings has gone absolutely mental over this.

    Then again, they are always absolutely mental.

    Witty though. And he does some proper research and context to his stories unlike most of the MSM.
    A good example is his fury over the latest supposed program for independence. https://wingsoverscotland.com/in-ruins/#more-148498 In that he has a chart which shows that Scots are overwhelmingly focused on the Health Service, the economy, education and social care. Even climate change and crime rank ahead of independence which is a priority for 18% of the population.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    edited January 13
    Sandpit said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    What did they expect, after wasting huge amounts of their political capital on raising pretty much meaningless sums of money?
    I see the RMT are back for more money
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
  • The irony is that there could be good arguments for independence coming down the line.
    For example if Scotland, which had the good sense not to privatise water, has to fork out to subsidise the affluent SE of England if Thames Water goes broke.

    Doesn't matter.

    Until the SNP finally come up with plausible answers to questions like which currency an independent Scotland would use or who would be the lender of last resort then I cannot see Yes winning.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,774

    Sandpit said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    What did they expect, after wasting huge amounts of their political capital on raising pretty much meaningless sums of money?
    I see the RMT are back for more money
    I think that's Avanti cost saving so reduced staff numbers coming back to bite them again..
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,095
    Recall how pervasive was the 2016-2021 narrative that Brexit would make Scottish Independence more likely.

    Was it just wishful thinking from remainers - and it made it less likely, or did it really make it more likely (but still just unlikely in the scheme of things)?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,935

    The irony is that there could be good arguments for independence coming down the line.
    For example if Scotland, which had the good sense not to privatise water, has to fork out to subsidise the affluent SE of England if Thames Water goes broke.

    Doesn't matter.

    Until the SNP finally come up with plausible answers to questions like which currency an independent Scotland would use or who would be the lender of last resort then I cannot see Yes winning.
    Similar issues are creating drag on Greenland’s slow path to independence.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,253

    kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Musk will become Nikolai Yezhov.
    Hmmm. Grim. I see a physical resemblance, but otherwise not much - so far! In your version Vance is Kruschev?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    Nigelb said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    And Trump's presidency might see rates push higher still, as the US has rather more influence in the markets than does the UK Treasury.

    However good or however crap the Chancellor is doesn't do much to change that.
    Yeah

    you spent most of the election arguing with me that cuts were impossible,

    Now they're on the cards. And the debt position is pretty much the same.

    The only bit of good news is Reeves is so crap she's having to cut now rather than next year.

    I can help her out by saying anything involving Ed Miliband should be cut immediately.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    Back again to T-30’ now.

    Yes some competition is welcome, although the ESA and the Chinese will continue to do their own thing for political reasons. The old days of NASA giving Big Space a blank cheque are definitely over though, the reductions in cost from SpaceX and Blue Origin are orders of magnitude.
  • kamski said:

    kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Musk will become Nikolai Yezhov.
    Hmmm. Grim. I see a physical resemblance, but otherwise not much - so far! In your version Vance is Kruschev?
    It's more the photo.

    But I do have a half written thread on this.

    I shall try and finish it soon.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,065
    Good morning, everyone.

    It is confusing but a pleasant surprise that more Germans than Britons have listened to the latest podcast episode. Not sure why this is.

    Hoping to get the next, which will be looking at predictions based on the betting market, this week. NB no tips (the turn around time and fact I almost always tip just before an event makes it unfeasible generally).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    edited January 13
    🇬🇱 Greenland Poll On Joining The United States Of America

    🔴 Join America 57% (+20)
    🔵 Don't Join 37%

    @PatriotPolling
    | 1/6-11

    https://x.com/OpenSourceZone/status/1878576691401920571

    NB: Quite q dodgy pollster, but a more reliable Danish pollster also has a majority of Greenlanders wanting to join the USA. At the same time, some polls show Greenlanders wanting to join the EU...

    Whatever the case, it looks like they will vote for full independence from Denmark ASAP
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Wings has gone absolutely mental over this.

    Then again, they are always absolutely mental.

    Witty though. And he does some proper research and context to his stories unlike most of the MSM.
    A good example is his fury over the latest supposed program for independence. https://wingsoverscotland.com/in-ruins/#more-148498 In that he has a chart which shows that Scots are overwhelmingly focused on the Health Service, the economy, education and social care. Even climate change and crime rank ahead of independence which is a priority for 18% of the population.
    Backs up what I heard on the doors in the GE campaign. Punters want services that work. Having the SNP tell them that the solution to not being able to get a GP appointment is "independence" went down badly on the doors.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    What did they expect, after wasting huge amounts of their political capital on raising pretty much meaningless sums of money?
    I see the RMT are back for more money
    I think that's Avanti cost saving so reduced staff numbers coming back to bite them again..
    So Reeves raises the cost of employing people - should the employers cut staff or raise prices ?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,889

    kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Musk will become Nikolai Yezhov.
    Who?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,095
    edited January 13
    Populations of small Atlantic states / autonomous regions:

    Greenland 50k
    Faroes 50k
    Iceland 400k
    Azores 236k
    Madeira 250k
    Saint Helena et al. 5k
    Falklands 4k
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,935

    kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Musk will become Nikolai Yezhov.
    Who?
    Head of the Soviet secret police under Stalin, but fell out of favour and was executed.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    It's interesting how the different rockets have different strengths (*). New Glenn can lift less than SS to LEO, but NG is *much* better currently at getting things to GTO and beyond. SS has a bigger 'fairing', but someone claimed that the difference isn't that great, as SS has lots of structural stuff getting in the way.

    SLS is best at wasting money. ;)

    It's interesting how the planned capabilities of both rockets has decreased over time. SS is nowhere near the planned 100 tonnes to orbit, and NG is well under its target of 45 tonnes (figures from memory; may be wrong).

    (*) As far as we know, given neither is currently operational.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Elon’s already getting on the wrong side of a number of Trump’s inner circle, for the usual reason why loudmouth businessmen make poor politicians. The movement doesn’t need Musk as well as Trump running his mouth all day, especially if they’re doing so in opposite directions.

    I suspect Musk will be told to stay in his lane working with Ramaswarmy on the government efficiency project, and stop compromising international relations with his obvious lack of knowledge of other countries’ political systems.

    Hopefully Elon will be happily distracted by the upcoming Starship launch and Tesla’s new Model Y.

    To be fair to him, Tesla and SpaceX have worked together to deploy dozens of “Wifi Cybertrucks” across Los Angeles over the weekend, giving internet access to the areas affected by the fires.
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878548886962212964
    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878571458093314161
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Vindictiveness
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,253

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    One week until Trump's inauguration. Trump 1 was like a Berlusconi figure. Trump 2 is more like Putin. Will Musk end up like Berezovsky, or will the oligarchs (or natural causes) get to Trump first?

    Musk will become Nikolai Yezhov.
    Hmmm. Grim. I see a physical resemblance, but otherwise not much - so far! In your version Vance is Kruschev?
    It's more the photo.

    But I do have a half written thread on this.

    I shall try and finish it soon.
    "I'm the most persecuted man in all history" - Berlusconi 2009

    I have the feeling Berlusconi (unlike Trump and I suppose Putin) never quite believed his own cult of personality; he was always in it to save his own skin and carry on with the bunga bunga parties.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,052
    Evening all from New Zealand :)

    Cuts very much happening here and one or two slightly bullish noises about growth at the end of the year but all a bit vague and a lot of concern about policy changes from the incoming Trump administration.

    I sense a holding pattern until the inauguration when no doubt Trump will aim to hit the ground running with Presidential decrees aplenty in the first few days.

    Separating rhetoric from reality is going to be the main game in the next 10 days - as is often the case, magnanimity is going to be in short supply from the victors in the short term.

    As has happened in the UK, I suspect Trump will lead on foreign policy with Rubio simply his master’s voice or left to deal with those areas and issues with which Trump can’t be bothered. Both New Zealand and Australia will be watching keenly for any changes with regard to Sino-American relations and any increase of tensions in the west and southwest Pacific.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,966

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    It's interesting how the different rockets have different strengths (*). New Glenn can lift less than SS to LEO, but NG is *much* better currently at getting things to GTO and beyond. SS has a bigger 'fairing', but someone claimed that the difference isn't that great, as SS has lots of structural stuff getting in the way.

    SLS is best at wasting money. ;)

    It's interesting how the planned capabilities of both rockets has decreased over time. SS is nowhere near the planned 100 tonnes to orbit, and NG is well under its target of 45 tonnes (figures from memory; may be wrong).

    (*) As far as we know, given neither is currently operational.
    Meanwhile, Stéphane Israël had one job


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,065
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    It's ridiculous.

    Even for a narrow-minded loather of knowledge and learning, slicing in half a course to learn something and get a qualification because "Latin = bad" is just vindictive.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    New Glenn countdown clock has disappeared from the feed. Suspect that the launch is about to get scrubbed for today.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,661
    The problem with the UK at the moment is that politicians are too political. Just heard a bbc report about some Labour economic plans and Labour MPs were complaining to the reporter that the plans were for the long term and so wouldn’t make people feel better in time for the next election.

    So bugger the country, it’s all about the electoral cycle. And all parties are bad on this.

    Maybe we need ten year gaps between elections to allow longer term thinking.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,253

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    It's ridiculous.

    Even for a narrow-minded loather of knowledge and learning, slicing in half a course to learn something and get a qualification because "Latin = bad" is just vindictive.
    I'm not a big fan of Latin - probably better to put the resources into modern languages - but courses already started should continue.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    It's interesting how the different rockets have different strengths (*). New Glenn can lift less than SS to LEO, but NG is *much* better currently at getting things to GTO and beyond. SS has a bigger 'fairing', but someone claimed that the difference isn't that great, as SS has lots of structural stuff getting in the way.

    SLS is best at wasting money. ;)

    It's interesting how the planned capabilities of both rockets has decreased over time. SS is nowhere near the planned 100 tonnes to orbit, and NG is well under its target of 45 tonnes (figures from memory; may be wrong).

    (*) As far as we know, given neither is currently operational.
    Meanwhile, Stéphane Israël had one job

    (Snip)
    If things continue the way they are, a non-American and non-Musk route to space for Europe might seem a *very* wise thing...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,330
    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    For a brief moment I thought you were joining other far flung Yoons on tenterhooks about the first commercial trip of the MV Glen Sannox,
    BBC Shortbread & Ferry News has sent their chief news editor on this voyage; I foresee breaking headlines of no black pudding on the breakfast menu and toilet paper of insufficient softness.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,766
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    Back again to T-30’ now.

    Yes some competition is welcome, although the ESA and the Chinese will continue to do their own thing for political reasons. The old days of NASA giving Big Space a blank cheque are definitely over though, the reductions in cost from SpaceX and Blue Origin are orders of magnitude.
    Depends on whether Elon Musk can persuade NASA to pay for Mars trips.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    edited January 13
    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn countdown clock has disappeared from the feed. Suspect that the launch is about to get scrubbed for today.

    I guessed that right, launch scrubbed for today as they ran out of window while troubleshooting issues with the vehicle.

    Back to work!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888
    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn countdown clock has disappeared from the feed. Suspect that the launch is about to get scrubbed for today.

    Good call, sadly.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    For a brief moment I thought you were joining other far flung Yoons on tenterhooks about the first commercial trip of the MV Glen Sannox,
    BBC Shortbread & Ferry News has sent their chief news editor on this voyage; I foresee breaking headlines of no black pudding on the breakfast menu and toilet paper of insufficient softness.
    Did we cover this?

    "The carbon footprint of a long-delayed new "green" ferry will be far larger than the 31-year-old diesel ship that usually serves the route between the Scottish mainland and the island of Arran."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy87e72yg3o
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,065
    For anyone wondering, it's slippery as hell right now. Stuff's melting, but it's ice/compacted snow with a thin layer of water on top so it's easily the worst footing of winter.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,052
    boulay said:

    The problem with the UK at the moment is that politicians are too political. Just heard a bbc report about some Labour economic plans and Labour MPs were complaining to the reporter that the plans were for the long term and so wouldn’t make people feel better in time for the next election.

    So bugger the country, it’s all about the electoral cycle. And all parties are bad on this.

    Maybe we need ten year gaps between elections to allow longer term thinking.

    Perhaps a more consensual approach would help but people complain when all the parties agree and want politics to be adversarial.

    I do agree a volte face every time a Government changes is far from helpful but as we’ve seen here with the Interislander ferries, pulling out of contracts can be financially punitive.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,312
    stodge said:


    I sense a holding pattern until the inauguration when no doubt Trump will aim to hit the ground running with Presidential decrees aplenty in the first few days.

    On that one, see how quickly lawsuits hit.

    There's a fair amount on the stokes & ready to roll, if the Trump critics are correct.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,204
    boulay said:

    The problem with the UK at the moment is that politicians are too political. Just heard a bbc report about some Labour economic plans and Labour MPs were complaining to the reporter that the plans were for the long term and so wouldn’t make people feel better in time for the next election.

    So bugger the country, it’s all about the electoral cycle. And all parties are bad on this.

    Maybe we need ten year gaps between elections to allow longer term thinking.

    Being stuck for five years with an utterly useless Parliament like the current one where the overwhelming majority was elected by 20% of the electorate is awful enough.

    Inflicting it on ourselves for a decade would be national suicide.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888

    I see one of the benefits of the government’s latest wizard wheeze will be AI locating potholes.

    Locating them isn’t the problem you stupid twats, it’s having resources other than a guy with a load of used chewing gum to fill in those holes.

    It'd be easier to crowdsource them: my Garmin bike computer warns me about bad ones, then asks if the pothole is still present.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,312
    MattW said:

    stodge said:


    I sense a holding pattern until the inauguration when no doubt Trump will aim to hit the ground running with Presidential decrees aplenty in the first few days.

    On that one, see how quickly lawsuits hit.

    There's a fair amount on the stokes & ready to roll, if the Trump critics are correct.
    Typoo stokes / stocks.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    stodge said:

    boulay said:

    The problem with the UK at the moment is that politicians are too political. Just heard a bbc report about some Labour economic plans and Labour MPs were complaining to the reporter that the plans were for the long term and so wouldn’t make people feel better in time for the next election.

    So bugger the country, it’s all about the electoral cycle. And all parties are bad on this.

    Maybe we need ten year gaps between elections to allow longer term thinking.

    Perhaps a more consensual approach would help but people complain when all the parties agree and want politics to be adversarial.

    I do agree a volte face every time a Government changes is far from helpful but as we’ve seen here with the Interislander ferries, pulling out of contracts can be financially punitive.
    Sadly recent history suggests that the only things on which all the politicians can agree, are either removing rights in the name of safety, or on giving themselves pay rises.

    See today’s BBC article with politicians complaining that the biggest problem with the new digital communications law, is that it doesn’t go far enough and that speech should be more restricted than it is already.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,223

    Wings has gone absolutely mental over this.

    Then again, they are always absolutely mental.

    Recognising reality is often not popular with zealots. See also: many Russians' opinions of Gorbachev, and the British left's opinion of the manufacturing changes in this country in the latter part of the last century, particularly the 1980s.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,013

    I see one of the benefits of the government’s latest wizard wheeze will be AI locating potholes.

    Locating them isn’t the problem you stupid twats, it’s having resources other than a guy with a load of used chewing gum to fill in those holes.

    That they are resorting to talking about potholes this early into an administration is not a particularly good sign…
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,312
    edited January 13
    Latest Musk on the LA situation - weaponise it:

    (The "looting decriminalised" claim is a lie.)


    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878173512885580222
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,470
    Labour to invest in a supercomputer.

    Having cancelled one in July.

    You couldn't make this rubbish up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    I read the Blairites are holding their heads in despair at Phillipson.

    She's attacking not only every reform the last government made, but those they did too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Vindictiveness

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Vindictiveness
    Maybe this government just doesn't like this country very much?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,204
    Nigelb said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    That's completely wrong, in fact the reverse of the truth.

    Our average sovereign debt maturity is more than 14 years, compared with 6 in the US and Germany, 8 in France and 7 in Italy.

    See here.

    https://prosperitydata360.worldbank.org/en/indicator/WB+CCDFS+avglife

    We pay over the odds for debt precisely to be somewhat insulated from short-term market fluctuations.

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,013
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Vindictiveness
    Same as VAT on school fees, cutting the WFA, IHT on farmland etc - it’s a thinking that these things benefit “The Rich” and are therefore bad, no matter the cost of their changes. Which is why the government has managed to upset several different groups of people in the last six months, yet raised almost no money by doing so.
    Some of it is that. You always get elements of this under a Labour government. Some of it is also the ludicrousness of removing all the main levers of revenue raising and therefore having to hit different groups. Whatever your views on the economics or the fairness of doing any of these things it’s absolutely crap politics. The latest to feel the brunt will be the disabled, it appears.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 101

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    One minute, Scottish independence. Next it's GCSE studies. Good example of a non-sequitur?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    Labour to invest in a supercomputer.

    Having cancelled one in July.

    You couldn't make this rubbish up.

    Maybe it'll be like that one from Superman III; it will consume Rachel Reeves and turn her into an attack android.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,358
    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    It's ridiculous.

    Even for a narrow-minded loather of knowledge and learning, slicing in half a course to learn something and get a qualification because "Latin = bad" is just vindictive.
    I'm not a big fan of Latin - probably better to put the resources into modern languages - but courses already started should continue.
    For languages start them two or three years earlier or don't bother. By the time we start too few get beyond basic holiday level. By the time they grow up, instant translation will be commonplace anyway.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723
    DavidL said:

    The consequences of dropping economics as a subject in secondary school are a little troubling but my perception is that the cynical abuse of independence to constantly march their supporters up and down the hill to win those 8 elections has come at a price.

    Very few people think independence is the priority. Our priorities, like the rest of the UK, are our failing state, whether that is a collapsing health service, a collapsing education system, a complete inability to deliver necessary infrastructure or even ferries for the Western Isles. We have a state focused on the minority that work for it at the cost of everyone else. It is simply not sustainable but it is not a uniquely Scottish problem and very few believe that somehow independence would make it any better.

    Whilst I understand your point I should mention that this is exactly the argument OGH used for many years about the EU ("Don't give a Monkeys") and which I disagreed with him over so strongly. Just because people rank certain policies or subjects as more important doesn't mean they do not still have strong views about the lower ranked policy areas. People can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    OGH spent many years arging that the EU didn't matter to voters based on the 'importance polling'. And then suddenly we had Brexit.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,312

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    For a brief moment I thought you were joining other far flung Yoons on tenterhooks about the first commercial trip of the MV Glen Sannox,
    BBC Shortbread & Ferry News has sent their chief news editor on this voyage; I foresee breaking headlines of no black pudding on the breakfast menu and toilet paper of insufficient softness.
    Did we cover this?

    "The carbon footprint of a long-delayed new "green" ferry will be far larger than the 31-year-old diesel ship that usually serves the route between the Scottish mainland and the island of Arran."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy87e72yg3o
    That seems to have a bald men and a comb quality to the argument.

    The biggest issue seems to be that Scottish people are buying fat cars :wink: .
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,013

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    I read the Blairites are holding their heads in despair at Phillipson.

    She's attacking not only every reform the last government made, but those they did too.
    I don’t understand why some rate Phillipson. There have even been tips on here about her being the next leader. To me she comes across as rather robotic and unlikeable. That of course doesn’t preclude someone from becoming a leader but I don’t see much in the way of presentation or policy to commend her.

    Streeing, Rayner, Darren Jones I “get”. Not so Phillipson.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    For a brief moment I thought you were joining other far flung Yoons on tenterhooks about the first commercial trip of the MV Glen Sannox,
    BBC Shortbread & Ferry News has sent their chief news editor on this voyage; I foresee breaking headlines of no black pudding on the breakfast menu and toilet paper of insufficient softness.
    Did we cover this?

    "The carbon footprint of a long-delayed new "green" ferry will be far larger than the 31-year-old diesel ship that usually serves the route between the Scottish mainland and the island of Arran."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy87e72yg3o
    That seems to have a bald men and a comb quality to the argument.

    The biggest issue seems to be that Scottish people are buying fat cars :wink: .
    Well, yes, the ship is larger. But as the article points out, the 'green' argument just doesn't add up.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    For there to be an indie ref in the early to mid 2030, the SNP would need to be still in power in Holyrood then. Given the election timeframes of 2026, and then 2031 (assuming they are fixed), then 2031 the SNP would still need to be power.

    Not sure how likely that is.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,671
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    That's completely wrong, in fact the reverse of the truth.

    Our average sovereign debt maturity is more than 14 years, compared with 6 in the US and Germany, 8 in France and 7 in Italy.

    See here.

    https://prosperitydata360.worldbank.org/en/indicator/WB+CCDFS+avglife

    We pay over the odds for debt precisely to be somewhat insulated from short-term market fluctuations.

    The US has alot maturing in the first quarter of this year.

    I saw a graph of US debt maturity and it was very heavily loaded to the next few years and after that very little.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,022
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    That's completely wrong, in fact the reverse of the truth.

    Our average sovereign debt maturity is more than 14 years, compared with 6 in the US and Germany, 8 in France and 7 in Italy.

    See here.

    https://prosperitydata360.worldbank.org/en/indicator/WB+CCDFS+avglife

    We pay over the odds for debt precisely to be somewhat insulated from short-term market fluctuations.

    I didn't know that there was such a sharp contrast. Interesting, and good I think. We still have too much index linked debt in my view.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    I read the Blairites are holding their heads in despair at Phillipson.

    She's attacking not only every reform the last government made, but those they did too.
    I don’t understand why some rate Phillipson. There have even been tips on here about her being the next leader. To me she comes across as rather robotic and unlikeable. That of course doesn’t preclude someone from becoming a leader but I don’t see much in the way of presentation or policy to commend her.

    Streeing, Rayner, Darren Jones I “get”. Not so Phillipson.
    I don't know her. She might be perfectly nice so far as she goes.

    I just think she's been totally captured by the progressive educational lobby and its paymasters.

    I fully expect to see England slip down the education rankings by the end of this parliamentary term.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Vindictiveness
    Same as VAT on school fees, cutting the WFA, IHT on farmland etc - it’s a thinking that these things benefit “The Rich” and are therefore bad, no matter the cost of their changes. Which is why the government has managed to upset several different groups of people in the last six months, yet raised almost no money by doing so.
    Some of it is that. You always get elements of this under a Labour government. Some of it is also the ludicrousness of removing all the main levers of revenue raising and therefore having to hit different groups. Whatever your views on the economics or the fairness of doing any of these things it’s absolutely crap politics. The latest to feel the brunt will be the disabled, it appears.
    They really should have just said screw it, we’re putting up the 20% and 40% income tax rates to 22% and 42%, with a plan to drop them back again before the next election, no thanks to the massive black hole the other lot left behind.

    Then they could have spent some time actually thinking through the tinkering proposals, aiming to simply and streamline various systems, rather than doing what they’ve done and upset several well-organised groups of people.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,253

    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    It's ridiculous.

    Even for a narrow-minded loather of knowledge and learning, slicing in half a course to learn something and get a qualification because "Latin = bad" is just vindictive.
    I'm not a big fan of Latin - probably better to put the resources into modern languages - but courses already started should continue.
    For languages start them two or three years earlier or don't bother. By the time we start too few get beyond basic holiday level. By the time they grow up, instant translation will be commonplace anyway.
    on instant translation - yes, but: We still teach arithmetic, sport, art, music etc. I agree that a foreign language should be part of the national curriculum from Key Stage 1, as music is apparently.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    I read the Blairites are holding their heads in despair at Phillipson.

    She's attacking not only every reform the last government made, but those they did too.
    I don’t understand why some rate Phillipson. There have even been tips on here about her being the next leader. To me she comes across as rather robotic and unlikeable. That of course doesn’t preclude someone from becoming a leader but I don’t see much in the way of presentation or policy to commend her.

    Streeing, Rayner, Darren Jones I “get”. Not so Phillipson.
    I don't know her. She might be perfectly nice so far as she goes.

    I just think she's been totally captured by the progressive educational lobby and its paymasters.

    I fully expect to see England slip down the education rankings by the end of this parliamentary term.
    "progressive educational lobby"

    LOL.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,489
    Taz said:

    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    That's completely wrong, in fact the reverse of the truth.

    Our average sovereign debt maturity is more than 14 years, compared with 6 in the US and Germany, 8 in France and 7 in Italy.

    See here.

    https://prosperitydata360.worldbank.org/en/indicator/WB+CCDFS+avglife

    We pay over the odds for debt precisely to be somewhat insulated from short-term market fluctuations.

    The US has alot maturing in the first quarter of this year.

    I saw a graph of US debt maturity and it was very heavily loaded to the next few years and after that very little.
    US debt is a total mess, and has only got worse in the last couple of decades under administrations of both parties.

    $34trn in debt, 125% of GDP and growing by $1.7trn a year, the US federal government spent 25% more than it raised in taxes last year.

    It’s only their status as the global reserve currency that keeps the dollar strong. The incoming administration has one hell of a job to do, if they want to reverse decades of over-borrowing.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,166
    @GMB

    A pizzeria is imposing a £100 'fine' to deter customers from ordering a Hawaiian pizza because they loathe the combination.

    @susannareid100, @edballs, @toryboypierce, @kevin_maguire debate the 'controversial' flavour.

    What do you think?

    https://x.com/GMB/status/1878698882953015588
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,470

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    I read the Blairites are holding their heads in despair at Phillipson.

    She's attacking not only every reform the last government made, but those they did too.
    I don’t understand why some rate Phillipson. There have even been tips on here about her being the next leader. To me she comes across as rather robotic and unlikeable. That of course doesn’t preclude someone from becoming a leader but I don’t see much in the way of presentation or policy to commend her.

    Streeing, Rayner, Darren Jones I “get”. Not so Phillipson.
    I don't know her. She might be perfectly nice so far as she goes.

    I just think she's been totally captured by the progressive educational lobby and its paymasters.

    I fully expect to see England slip down the education rankings by the end of this parliamentary term.
    I can only presume that Starmer knows nothing about education, nor has any interest, so has just given her carte blanche to take the wrecking ball out.

    I don't know why Phillipson is spending so much time on schools when higher education is the one in absolute meltdown.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,166

    OGH spent many years arging that the EU didn't matter to voters based on the 'importance polling'. And then suddenly we had Brexit.

    But the Brexit vote wasn't about membership of the EU

    It was about hating "foreigners"
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,671
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see austerity is back in fashion

    When you inherit a debt legacy that's 100% of GDP, a 1% rise in global interest rates implies an eventual rise in future interest costs that's something around around 2% of total government spending.
    And our debt is relatively short term compared to many major economies, so that feeds through fairly quickly to spending forecasts.

    That's completely wrong, in fact the reverse of the truth.

    Our average sovereign debt maturity is more than 14 years, compared with 6 in the US and Germany, 8 in France and 7 in Italy.

    See here.

    https://prosperitydata360.worldbank.org/en/indicator/WB+CCDFS+avglife

    We pay over the odds for debt precisely to be somewhat insulated from short-term market fluctuations.

    The US has alot maturing in the first quarter of this year.

    I saw a graph of US debt maturity and it was very heavily loaded to the next few years and after that very little.
    US debt is a total mess, and has only got worse in the last couple of decades under administrations of both parties.

    $34trn in debt, 125% of GDP and growing by $1.7trn a year, the US federal government spent 25% more than it raised in taxes last year.

    It’s only their status as the global reserve currency that keeps the dollar strong. The incoming administration has one hell of a job to do, if they want to reverse decades of over-borrowing.
    Alot of people are blaming Secretary Yellen for the short dated debt, Even accusing her of setting up a debt crisis in 2025. 25% of the US National debt is due in 2025, and over half of that in the first quarter.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,661
    Fishing said:

    boulay said:

    The problem with the UK at the moment is that politicians are too political. Just heard a bbc report about some Labour economic plans and Labour MPs were complaining to the reporter that the plans were for the long term and so wouldn’t make people feel better in time for the next election.

    So bugger the country, it’s all about the electoral cycle. And all parties are bad on this.

    Maybe we need ten year gaps between elections to allow longer term thinking.

    Being stuck for five years with an utterly useless Parliament like the current one where the overwhelming majority was elected by 20% of the electorate is awful enough.

    Inflicting it on ourselves for a decade would be national suicide.
    Ha, I wasn’t exactly being serious about the ten years - but it is frustrating how all parties are too scared to do things because of the next election which confirms that power is more important than governing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,966

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    It's interesting how the different rockets have different strengths (*). New Glenn can lift less than SS to LEO, but NG is *much* better currently at getting things to GTO and beyond. SS has a bigger 'fairing', but someone claimed that the difference isn't that great, as SS has lots of structural stuff getting in the way.

    SLS is best at wasting money. ;)

    It's interesting how the planned capabilities of both rockets has decreased over time. SS is nowhere near the planned 100 tonnes to orbit, and NG is well under its target of 45 tonnes (figures from memory; may be wrong).

    (*) As far as we know, given neither is currently operational.
    Meanwhile, Stéphane Israël had one job

    (Snip)
    If things continue the way they are, a non-American and non-Musk route to space for Europe might seem a *very* wise thing...

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    New Glenn launch clock now at T-15’ (but they do keep resetting it).
    Watch at https://www.blueorigin.com/missions/ng-1

    For those wondering, Starship launch is now not before Wednesday.

    Finger crossed.
    A monopoly on launch services isn't a particularly good thing.
    It's interesting how the different rockets have different strengths (*). New Glenn can lift less than SS to LEO, but NG is *much* better currently at getting things to GTO and beyond. SS has a bigger 'fairing', but someone claimed that the difference isn't that great, as SS has lots of structural stuff getting in the way.

    SLS is best at wasting money. ;)

    It's interesting how the planned capabilities of both rockets has decreased over time. SS is nowhere near the planned 100 tonnes to orbit, and NG is well under its target of 45 tonnes (figures from memory; may be wrong).

    (*) As far as we know, given neither is currently operational.
    Meanwhile, Stéphane Israël had one job

    (Snip)
    If things continue the way they are, a non-American and non-Musk route to space for Europe might seem a *very* wise thing...
    Like I said, Stéphane had one job. Making sure Europe had an independent and competitive space launch capability.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,223
    Scott_xP said:

    OGH spent many years arging that the EU didn't matter to voters based on the 'importance polling'. And then suddenly we had Brexit.

    But the Brexit vote wasn't about membership of the EU

    It was about hating "foreigners"
    Nine years later - still haven't figured out why you lost.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,166
    Driver said:

    Nine years later - still haven't figured out why you lost.

    You still don't realise how, or why, or what you "won"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,368
    Driver said:

    Scott_xP said:

    OGH spent many years arging that the EU didn't matter to voters based on the 'importance polling'. And then suddenly we had Brexit.

    But the Brexit vote wasn't about membership of the EU

    It was about hating "foreigners"
    Nine years later - still haven't figured out why you lost.
    I believe the post confirms he has. The conundrum is, you and 17m voters like you are still not entirely sure what YOU voted for.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,966

    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    Sandpit said:

    This is a government that you can tell was state educated. What a bunch of troglodytes.

    State school pupils in England may have to drop GCSE Latin after funding pulled

    DfE urged to delay ending funding of popular programme so that hundreds of students can complete their courses


    State school pupils taking GCSE Latin may be forced to drop the subject or even have to teach themselves after the government ends funding for a popular programme that has increased the numbers learning Latin across England.

    School leaders, scholars and authors are urging the Department for Education to offer a reprieve to the Latin excellenceprogramme, to enable hundreds of students to complete their GCSE courses and allow schools time to find additional support.

    The DfE announced shortly before Christmas that it would end funding in February for the programme, which supports Latin lessons for more than 8,000 pupils at 40 non-selective state schools, as part of the government’s cost-cutting drive to stabilise public finances.

    The cuts mean the programme will no longer be able to fund Latin teachers in schools from the end of next month, leaving some without qualified staff.

    Tom Holland, the award-winning author and host of The Rest Is History podcast, said he supported continued funding for the programme, launched in 2021, arguing that Latin should not be abandoned to “posh ghettoes” within private schools.


    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jan/12/state-school-pupils-in-england-may-have-to-drop-gsce-latin-after-funding-pulled

    This government are intent on ruining education.
    Why would you ever want to cut programmes in the middle of a school year?

    All that will happen is the Latin teachers will move to private tutoring, so those who can afford it can still do the exams while those who can’t lose out, despite two years of studying towards them.
    I read the Blairites are holding their heads in despair at Phillipson.

    She's attacking not only every reform the last government made, but those they did too.
    I don’t understand why some rate Phillipson. There have even been tips on here about her being the next leader. To me she comes across as rather robotic and unlikeable. That of course doesn’t preclude someone from becoming a leader but I don’t see much in the way of presentation or policy to commend her.

    Streeing, Rayner, Darren Jones I “get”. Not so Phillipson.
    I don't know her. She might be perfectly nice so far as she goes.

    I just think she's been totally captured by the progressive educational lobby and its paymasters.

    I fully expect to see England slip down the education rankings by the end of this parliamentary term.
    I can only presume that Starmer knows nothing about education, nor has any interest, so has just given her carte blanche to take the wrecking ball out.

    I don't know why Phillipson is spending so much time on schools when higher education is the one in absolute meltdown.
    The universities are close to crisis. Do anything there’s, and some blame for the crisis might stick to her.

    Much easier to cancel a GCSE for thousands of state school kids.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,671
    boulay said:

    Fishing said:

    boulay said:

    The problem with the UK at the moment is that politicians are too political. Just heard a bbc report about some Labour economic plans and Labour MPs were complaining to the reporter that the plans were for the long term and so wouldn’t make people feel better in time for the next election.

    So bugger the country, it’s all about the electoral cycle. And all parties are bad on this.

    Maybe we need ten year gaps between elections to allow longer term thinking.

    Being stuck for five years with an utterly useless Parliament like the current one where the overwhelming majority was elected by 20% of the electorate is awful enough.

    Inflicting it on ourselves for a decade would be national suicide.
    Ha, I wasn’t exactly being serious about the ten years - but it is frustrating how all parties are too scared to do things because of the next election which confirms that power is more important than governing.
    The disgraceful decision to kick the care costs issue into the long grass being case in point.
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