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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,301
    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    The Brexiteers were right. The EU has fossilised European economies, strangled innovation, and its freedoms mean - inter alia - that the immigration madness of one country (hello Germany) is inflicted on all the others


    The fact that the UK has totally fucked up Brexit and not seized its opportunities does not negate this truth. The brexiteers’ diagnosis of the EU was bang on

    Even the seemingly far-fetched boom in manufacturing has appeared:



    Opinions might vary on whether that is due to Brexit, I suppose. But still.
    UK manufacturing is really interesting. Still a relatively large sector, and once you start speaking with people working in it you realise just how much advanced work is going on, often by people without formal qualifications working for local companies in their hometown

    I was looking into some rather clever green tech for one of the charities I help out with and was to astonished to find it was made a mile away from where I went to school.
    It's one sector where what's left is highly productive and automated, in contrast with most of our dominant services sector that's filled with low cost labour and under-investment. Not enough of it of course, but much of what's left is like drug-resistant bacteria, battered for decades by global headwinds so what survives is a particularly resistant strain.
    Yes. This firm only employs about 30 people FTE, but had no qualms at all about spending £100,000s on a new bit of kit to polish something a bit better. You can't imagine your typical services firm doing that kind of investment.

    And it's extremely telling that most offices I go into have kit that is significantly worse than my WFH set up, and almost all my colleagues bring their own keyboards/mice in. It's pathetic.

    People moan about the government not doing enough investment, but it's a culture that persists throughout the economy outside the top consultancies.
    Here's a vid of our 5 axis CNC :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2hQnC3RHDk
    Nice

    Flood cooling CNC, with automated tool selection doesn’t get enough love. Everyone talks about 3D printing, but advanced CNC was a whole revolution, by itself.
    Mercedes F1 machine shop walk around. 24 CNCs in there, machine porn!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0CMSKjesRs
    Blimy, best not show our workshop manager that he'll be off there on triple (or more) the pay lol.
    Ha, that’s probably one of the best shops in the whole country.

    There was an interview on one of the F1 channels with James Vowles, who went from Mercedes to Williams, and said what most shocked him about the move was that his new team were using 10-year-old CNCs in the machine shop, because they’d not had any capital budget for a few years.

    The first thing he told the board he needed was some decent new equipment in the factory!
    Would those 10yo machines be of any use to anyone else? For how long?

    Just thinking of the Marc Brunel block machinery - in use for 160 years and probably could have kept going if it weren't for the small matter of the RN not needing wooden blocks and sheaves any more ...
    I imagine that anyone who doesn’t need a five-axis liquid-cooled 100-tool micron-resolution fire-and-forget monster costing several million, which let’s face it is going to be 99.99% of us who aren’t making prototype racecars or engines for aeroplanes, could probably find a good home for an ‘old’ one in their garage!

    The decent models will run for decades, so long as you can get spare parts and can find software to write the appropriate file format for any new projects.
    Will I be ok with the 60 amp supply to my garage? If so, I’ll take two.
    One advantage of all these electric cars, is that they’re now building houses with decent power supplies to the garage, and upgrading existing last-mile infrastructure to accommodate them in existing houses.

    So if you want to have a workshop full of machine tools rather than an electric car…
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,333
    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,821

    kinabalu said:

    GE in 27? Can't see that. The sense I'm getting is of the toddler in the back of the car chirping "when are we there? when are we there?" before we've even made the motorway. I think people should relax a bit more into the reality of several years, and likely a decade, of Labour government. Easy for me to say, I know, as a supporter of it, but I think it's a good approach for Tories and far righters too.

    IIRC something like that was what we all felt in 2010; there was a Coalition Government with a solid majority, and while there were odd bumps on the road, notably Chris Huhne, we all expected it to last until 2015.
    The weird difference is that the rapid collapse of Starmerism is being spoken about in excited tones by people who aren't visibly crazy. See that poll in the Mail on Sunday. (Insert joke about the Mail here.)

    There are differences, the pace of the news cycle and the number of enemies Starmer already has for starters.

    But also, at some level, the right are really bad losers. Which is a factor in why they win so often, but also leaves them really discombobulated when defeat happens.
    I don't recall the same sort of behaviour in 1997, TBH. There seemed to be more licking of wounds and accepting the situation. For a couple of years at least.
  • Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,516
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:


    ‪Jim Pickard‬ ‪@pickardje.bsky.social‬
    ·
    15m
    Mark Carney, the former governor of the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada, is considering running for leadership of Canada’s Liberal party after prime minister Justin Trudeau’s resignation this week

    Yes, that will help the Liberal party against Polievre. They'll go from taking a hiding to it being existential if Mark Carney wins. This is the same as someone watching the West Wing and suggesting that President Bartlett could actually win in America today. Mark Carney is the epitome of the Davos "citizen of nowhere". Polievre will make mincemeat of him.
    Yeah it's probably a terrible move, but he was a fantastic BoE governor if you were a homeowner lol.
    Indeed, especially if you ended up selling a centralish London flat to buy an outer London house. 😄
    Have you made good on the relative prices of those since you moved ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,301

    Ukraine has announced that it has eliminated 4,000 North Korean troops and captured 860 as POWs.

    Crikey.

    The NorKs in Kursk are allegedly the well-trained ones, but from the videos it sure as Hell doesn’t look like that.

    I know that North Korea hasn’t fought a war for 60 years, but these soldiers don’t appear practiced in anything more dangerous than parade ground drill.

    There are stories of Ukraine dropping leaflets in Korean explaining that POWs are well looked after, and others of suicides, murders, and blue-on-blue among the various factions fighting on the Russian side who can’t properly communicate with each other.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,244
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:


    ‪Jim Pickard‬ ‪@pickardje.bsky.social‬
    ·
    15m
    Mark Carney, the former governor of the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada, is considering running for leadership of Canada’s Liberal party after prime minister Justin Trudeau’s resignation this week

    Yes, that will help the Liberal party against Polievre. They'll go from taking a hiding to it being existential if Mark Carney wins. This is the same as someone watching the West Wing and suggesting that President Bartlett could actually win in America today. Mark Carney is the epitome of the Davos "citizen of nowhere". Polievre will make mincemeat of him.
    Yeah it's probably a terrible move, but he was a fantastic BoE governor if you were a homeowner lol.
    Indeed, especially if you ended up selling a centralish London flat to buy an outer London house. 😄
    Have you made good on the relative prices of those since you moved ?
    Oh massively, we got very lucky. Sold two flats (mine and my wife's that she moved out of when she moved in with me while we were dating) which had appreciated massively and bought a house in an area with pretty stable prices. We were able to buy with a mortgage of just 40% because of that.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,800
    edited January 7
    ...
    Selebian said:

    viewcode said:

    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    The Tories are set to table an amendment to the children's wellbeing bill and Labour will be forced to oppose it which I think gets the Tories exactly what they want on the scandal. Labour opposing a statutory national inquiry on the subject with the Tories in favour of one, on the record. I think by the time the vote comes around Labour will have realised how awful the optics will be for them and they'll end up voting for it or something similar from the Labour benches.

    Starmer has got absolutely zero political instincts, if he had he'd already be ahead of this and have called the inquiry on his own terms. This will now get forced on him at much less favourable terms because there's just too much public anger about it to ignore now.

    Maggie Oliver excoriating on the radio this morning regarding Starmer.
    Prof Alexis Jay basically admitting that the current wave of public anger has forced Labour into accepting the recommendations of her limited inquiry. She spared the governments blushes by remaining silent on whether she thought they'd have done it without being backed into this corner but it was very telling.

    Having it on record that Labour opposed it and the Tories in favour will be, IMO, terminal for Labour in red wall seats. Reform will sweep the board against the party that refused to hold a full national inquiry about the safety of their daughters and voted against it. Every single Labour MP that votes against the Tory amendment will get barraged with it in the election campaign.
    What exactly does anyone expect to come out of a national inquiry that has not already come out?

    Spending several more years hearing the same evidence - and renewing the trauma for those involved, incidentally - while inevitably delaying taking action because why implement recommendations from existing reports when the national inquiry might say something different? - is not just wasteful but shameful.

    We know what we need to know. Collate the existing recommendations, scale them up as necessary and implement them.
    So, in research, we do the same shit over and over (well, different teams do the same shit over and over). Then we* collect up the results of all that shit and collate it all into a systematic review. People do this over and over. Then we collate those reviews into an umbrella review. Increasingly people are doing that over and over. The current frontier of research is coming up with a name for a review of a collection of umbrella reviews. I'm pushing for 'gazebo review' :smiley:

    Maybe we should do the same with independent inquiries :wink:

    *happily I mostly avoid reviews - I've only first-authored one.
    This point - about research degenerating into looking at other research - is an explicit plot point in the Foundation series, and indicates a rotting civilisation. People think research is done at desks, and it just isn't.
    Um... my research is done at a desk :cry:
    When I did research, it was also mostly done at a desk.

    With pushy buttons on a control panel, big dials, and a rack of PLCs to stop me pressing the buttons in the wrong order. And a lot of noise.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,274

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Almost death by obstacle course, repeatedly foiled because they walked away about a minute before death allowing their enemy to escape.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,132

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Poe's Law...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372
    I wonder how employees of Tesla and SpaceX feel at the moment. Sure there must be a significant group who are MAGA supporters and are delighted to work for their idol, but presumably there are a number of others whom his antics must make very uncomfortable. I suppose their big pay packets offer some compensation.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,639

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    It’s missing the option “…and I’m distressed about it”.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,864
    viewcode said:

    Selebian said:

    viewcode said:

    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    The Tories are set to table an amendment to the children's wellbeing bill and Labour will be forced to oppose it which I think gets the Tories exactly what they want on the scandal. Labour opposing a statutory national inquiry on the subject with the Tories in favour of one, on the record. I think by the time the vote comes around Labour will have realised how awful the optics will be for them and they'll end up voting for it or something similar from the Labour benches.

    Starmer has got absolutely zero political instincts, if he had he'd already be ahead of this and have called the inquiry on his own terms. This will now get forced on him at much less favourable terms because there's just too much public anger about it to ignore now.

    Maggie Oliver excoriating on the radio this morning regarding Starmer.
    Prof Alexis Jay basically admitting that the current wave of public anger has forced Labour into accepting the recommendations of her limited inquiry. She spared the governments blushes by remaining silent on whether she thought they'd have done it without being backed into this corner but it was very telling.

    Having it on record that Labour opposed it and the Tories in favour will be, IMO, terminal for Labour in red wall seats. Reform will sweep the board against the party that refused to hold a full national inquiry about the safety of their daughters and voted against it. Every single Labour MP that votes against the Tory amendment will get barraged with it in the election campaign.
    What exactly does anyone expect to come out of a national inquiry that has not already come out?

    Spending several more years hearing the same evidence - and renewing the trauma for those involved, incidentally - while inevitably delaying taking action because why implement recommendations from existing reports when the national inquiry might say something different? - is not just wasteful but shameful.

    We know what we need to know. Collate the existing recommendations, scale them up as necessary and implement them.
    So, in research, we do the same shit over and over (well, different teams do the same shit over and over). Then we* collect up the results of all that shit and collate it all into a systematic review. People do this over and over. Then we collate those reviews into an umbrella review. Increasingly people are doing that over and over. The current frontier of research is coming up with a name for a review of a collection of umbrella reviews. I'm pushing for 'gazebo review' :smiley:

    Maybe we should do the same with independent inquiries :wink:

    *happily I mostly avoid reviews - I've only first-authored one.
    This point - about research degenerating into looking at other research - is an explicit plot point in the Foundation series, and indicates a rotting civilisation. People think research is done at desks, and it just isn't.
    Um... my research is done at a desk :cry:
    As is mine - well more specifically, the statistical contributions to somebody else's research, but I get named so it's all good :)

    But if you are doing something with real-world implications, you have to check it against the real world, and we are losing sight of that. The map is not the territory and a' that.
    Well, I use real world data. I'm just not the person collecting the data. The doctors and nurses do it as part of routine care (not for the purposes of research, which can raise its own issues).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,516

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372
    Driver said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Poe's Law...
    I wonder what Tate's policies are on punishment for sex offenders.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,158
    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,160

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    Snivelling?

    "I've not been well..."
  • Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    I was meaning more the extremely thin-skinned aspect, coupled with the huge wealth and public obsessions. SpaceX could have been in Goldinger.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,700
    edited January 7

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    Bond villains are suave and charismatic.

    Not sub 6th form oiks.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,983
    edited January 7
    Stocky said:

    We had to remove over a dozen defamatory comments regarding the grooming story over the last few days.

    That is the main reason why the grooming story is off limits for PB at the moment.

    Given that it made no difference to the case of Lucy Connolly and others, what help is removing a post? Connolly's post was up for 3 hours before she removed it and she is in prison regardless. I'm not a lawyer but would think it is not sensible to admit to defamation as you did in your post. Whether or not a post is defamatory would need court-testing, surely?
    Old fashioned media of every sort make decisons about possible defamation every day all the time. This is no different. TSE is not speaking in statutory language.

    On the subject generally, WRT the OSA, but having no views as yet on it (except that it is complicated); it isn't really hard to distinguish between these categories:

    fair comment
    lawfully held opinion
    reasoned argument
    vituperation and abuse of an insulting nature
    unsupported allegation of a potentially defamatory nature

    and not impossible to act accordingly, especially for the sake of the people who have to take responsibility for sites on the internet but don't make billions out of it.
  • Or even Goldfinger ! Klaus Doldinger was a German rocker or jazz man.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,864

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,639
    The oligarch’s pinned tweet at the moment refers to Labour campaigning against Trump, which suggests that one of underlying motivations for all of this is revenge against them.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,864
    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    Trump?
  • Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    Bond villains are suave and charismatic.
    He's the first Generation X Bond villain, in a t-shirt, and slacker shoes.
  • The oligarch’s pinned tweet at the moment refers to Labour campaigning against Trump, which suggests that one of underlying motivations for all of this is revenge against them.

    You will rue the day, Bond ! I never forget a slight.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,274
    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    It is just grifting, will probably get a decent mix of big donations from US and Russian disruptors and small donations from our domestic hard of thinking. Wouldn't be surprised if he could make £1m a year from it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,441

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    I saw something about this on twitter last night and assumed it was a joke.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,810

    The main thing this tells you is that Labour are not confident of winning a second term at the end of this parliament.

    It would be complacency of the highest order if the they were confident of winning a second term. Of course they're not confident of that.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,337

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    It’s missing the option “…and I’m distressed about it”.
    That response would count as “lawful but harmful” and has been banned.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,242
    Sandpit said:

    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    The Brexiteers were right. The EU has fossilised European economies, strangled innovation, and its freedoms mean - inter alia - that the immigration madness of one country (hello Germany) is inflicted on all the others


    The fact that the UK has totally fucked up Brexit and not seized its opportunities does not negate this truth. The brexiteers’ diagnosis of the EU was bang on

    Even the seemingly far-fetched boom in manufacturing has appeared:



    Opinions might vary on whether that is due to Brexit, I suppose. But still.
    UK manufacturing is really interesting. Still a relatively large sector, and once you start speaking with people working in it you realise just how much advanced work is going on, often by people without formal qualifications working for local companies in their hometown

    I was looking into some rather clever green tech for one of the charities I help out with and was to astonished to find it was made a mile away from where I went to school.
    It's one sector where what's left is highly productive and automated, in contrast with most of our dominant services sector that's filled with low cost labour and under-investment. Not enough of it of course, but much of what's left is like drug-resistant bacteria, battered for decades by global headwinds so what survives is a particularly resistant strain.
    Yes. This firm only employs about 30 people FTE, but had no qualms at all about spending £100,000s on a new bit of kit to polish something a bit better. You can't imagine your typical services firm doing that kind of investment.

    And it's extremely telling that most offices I go into have kit that is significantly worse than my WFH set up, and almost all my colleagues bring their own keyboards/mice in. It's pathetic.

    People moan about the government not doing enough investment, but it's a culture that persists throughout the economy outside the top consultancies.
    Here's a vid of our 5 axis CNC :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2hQnC3RHDk
    Nice

    Flood cooling CNC, with automated tool selection doesn’t get enough love. Everyone talks about 3D printing, but advanced CNC was a whole revolution, by itself.
    Mercedes F1 machine shop walk around. 24 CNCs in there, machine porn!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0CMSKjesRs
    Blimy, best not show our workshop manager that he'll be off there on triple (or more) the pay lol.
    Ha, that’s probably one of the best shops in the whole country.

    There was an interview on one of the F1 channels with James Vowles, who went from Mercedes to Williams, and said what most shocked him about the move was that his new team were using 10-year-old CNCs in the machine shop, because they’d not had any capital budget for a few years.

    The first thing he told the board he needed was some decent new equipment in the factory!
    Would those 10yo machines be of any use to anyone else? For how long?

    Just thinking of the Marc Brunel block machinery - in use for 160 years and probably could have kept going if it weren't for the small matter of the RN not needing wooden blocks and sheaves any more ...
    I imagine that anyone who doesn’t need a five-axis liquid-cooled 100-tool micron-resolution fire-and-forget monster costing several million, which let’s face it is going to be 99.99% of us who aren’t making prototype racecars or engines for aeroplanes, could probably find a good home for an ‘old’ one in their garage!

    The decent models will run for decades, so long as you can get spare parts and can find software to write the appropriate file format for any new projects.
    Will I be ok with the 60 amp supply to my garage? If so, I’ll take two.
    One advantage of all these electric cars, is that they’re now building houses with decent power supplies to the garage, and upgrading existing last-mile infrastructure to accommodate them in existing houses.

    So if you want to have a workshop full of machine tools rather than an electric car…
    CNC machines have somewhat gone the way of consumer goods - they're cheaper than they ever have been, work better than they ever did, but where machine tools were once engineered for almost indefinite lifespans, they are somewhat value engineered with rather more finite life.

    I've a small 1992 Bridgeport VMC that's still churning out parts in an industrial setting. Not terribly fast by modern standards, but acceptable quality, and it's well and truly at the bottom of its depreciation curve.

    The equivalent size machine now will rapid about twice as fast, but I don't think it will have similar lifespan.

    Not that I'll say no, if someone wants to buy my a new toy or two - a Dosan DMN 750 L II with a 4th axis would do me very nicely thank you...

  • Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    I look forward to the day we can discuss our skincare and hair care once more.
    Or Elon Musk's skin and haircare routine, too.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972

    kinabalu said:

    GE in 27? Can't see that. The sense I'm getting is of the toddler in the back of the car chirping "when are we there? when are we there?" before we've even made the motorway. I think people should relax a bit more into the reality of several years, and likely a decade, of Labour government. Easy for me to say, I know, as a supporter of it, but I think it's a good approach for Tories and far righters too.

    IIRC something like that was what we all felt in 2010; there was a Coalition Government with a solid majority, and while there were odd bumps on the road, notably Chris Huhne, we all expected it to last until 2015.
    Yes there was an air of stability about that government. I recall not feeling that bad about Labour losing in 2010. The Con majority in 2015 was another matter though. That was a sickener.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,441
    edited January 7

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Almost death by obstacle course, repeatedly foiled because they walked away about a minute before death allowing their enemy to escape.
    For anyone who likes this sort of thing, talking about Spiders, although its venom is mild, this little beauty is something special.

    Tarantulas really are stunningly gorgeous Spiders.




  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,111

    mwadams said:

    On topic, I fully agree with TSE. This is Westminster Wonkery at its finest (ie worst).

    A government elected with a landslide majority has no cause to go to the country after two years. On what basis? Delivery? There won't be any because the only actual decisions the govt has taken so far have been to piss things off and make them (temporarily, one assumes Labour expects), worse. Mandate? It already has that, unless it wants to rat on a pledge. Preventative, before things really go down the pan? Hardly an inspiring message. To take advantage? Brenda from Bristol - and indeed the entire 2017 election - would have an answer to that.

    And even if re-elected, then unless the Tories and Reform are both at each others' throats and failing to land blows on Labour, then Labour will lose seats. No matter how you spin it, that will take the shine off any victory and check Labour's momentum - as well as potentially costing some ministers their seats.

    Just bloody govern and forget about the games. Governments have many structural advantages in the political game. If the country is in a decent, improved, shape come 2028/9, and Labour runs a capable campaign, they will win.

    We haven't had a government that "just" governed for many years. I suspect that this is partly because of the long periods in opposition before a new government was formed. Non-governing habits are formed that are difficult to shake off.

    About the only thing I can praise Blair for is his good fortune in coming into government at a time of relative stability and choosing to (basically) carry on a continuity Major administration, domestically.

    Given both Tory and Labour are suffering, I wonder if Westminster has collectively forgotten how to do it?
    The Coalition 'just governed' in 2010-15. Sure, there were reforms there but they were ones that had been in the planning for years and more-or-less ready to go. It was change for change's sake, and it certainly wasn't politics for politics' sake. Arguably, Theresa May tried 'just governing', notwithstanding the 2017 election (which was arguably necessary given her precarious majority, subsequently proven by events after she and Nick Timothy cocked up the execution).

    Just governing isn't about pure administration; it's about setting out a coherent plan for the 4-5 years and sticking to it. Though obviously the administration needs doing too, and doing well.
    The coalition made reforms in education, pensions, welfare, a (utterly bizarre) one in health, and advanced liberal social policies. This was on top of the fundamental one to eliminate the structural deficit.

    I'd say there was a plan, and much of it laid out in the coalition agreement - which took 5 days to write.

    What's Labour's excuse?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972

    The oligarch’s pinned tweet at the moment refers to Labour campaigning against Trump, which suggests that one of underlying motivations for all of this is revenge against them.

    Or maybe to highlight the (as usual false) equivalence to the ruddy great oar he is sticking into our politics.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,810
    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I think they're probably dodgy. https://predatoryjournals.org/ lists them (although they can be oversensitive).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,111

    The main thing this tells you is that Labour are not confident of winning a second term at the end of this parliament.

    It would be complacency of the highest order if the they were confident of winning a second term. Of course they're not confident of that.
    Of course, but it's slightly at odds with the "judge us in 4 years time on our results" meme.

    They're either not sure they'll get the results, or that the politics will be set-up for the electorate to reward it.

    Or both.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,191

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    The Brexiteers were right. The EU has fossilised European economies, strangled innovation, and its freedoms mean - inter alia - that the immigration madness of one country (hello Germany) is inflicted on all the others


    The fact that the UK has totally fucked up Brexit and not seized its opportunities does not negate this truth. The brexiteers’ diagnosis of the EU was bang on

    Even the seemingly far-fetched boom in manufacturing has appeared:



    Opinions might vary on whether that is due to Brexit, I suppose. But still.
    What we can say is that if were still in the EU, their manufacturing PMI output expectations would be a little bit higher. And the UK's would be a lot lower.

    The frustrating thing about Starmer's failure to get growth moving is that it is missing the opportunity to actually get the UK some benefit from Brexit, rather than being shackled to a hospital bed with a patient not so much suffering from a bad cold as pneumonia...
    In my best Frank Carson voice "It's the way you tell 'em".

    " Benefit from Brexit". You could have had a career as a comic.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,810
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,337

    mwadams said:

    On topic, I fully agree with TSE. This is Westminster Wonkery at its finest (ie worst).

    A government elected with a landslide majority has no cause to go to the country after two years. On what basis? Delivery? There won't be any because the only actual decisions the govt has taken so far have been to piss things off and make them (temporarily, one assumes Labour expects), worse. Mandate? It already has that, unless it wants to rat on a pledge. Preventative, before things really go down the pan? Hardly an inspiring message. To take advantage? Brenda from Bristol - and indeed the entire 2017 election - would have an answer to that.

    And even if re-elected, then unless the Tories and Reform are both at each others' throats and failing to land blows on Labour, then Labour will lose seats. No matter how you spin it, that will take the shine off any victory and check Labour's momentum - as well as potentially costing some ministers their seats.

    Just bloody govern and forget about the games. Governments have many structural advantages in the political game. If the country is in a decent, improved, shape come 2028/9, and Labour runs a capable campaign, they will win.

    We haven't had a government that "just" governed for many years. I suspect that this is partly because of the long periods in opposition before a new government was formed. Non-governing habits are formed that are difficult to shake off.

    About the only thing I can praise Blair for is his good fortune in coming into government at a time of relative stability and choosing to (basically) carry on a continuity Major administration, domestically.

    Given both Tory and Labour are suffering, I wonder if Westminster has collectively forgotten how to do it?
    The Coalition 'just governed' in 2010-15. Sure, there were reforms there but they were ones that had been in the planning for years and more-or-less ready to go. It was change for change's sake, and it certainly wasn't politics for politics' sake. Arguably, Theresa May tried 'just governing', notwithstanding the 2017 election (which was arguably necessary given her precarious majority, subsequently proven by events after she and Nick Timothy cocked up the execution).

    Just governing isn't about pure administration; it's about setting out a coherent plan for the 4-5 years and sticking to it. Though obviously the administration needs doing too, and doing well.
    The coalition made reforms in education, pensions, welfare, a (utterly bizarre) one in health, and advanced liberal social policies. This was on top of the fundamental one to eliminate the structural deficit.

    I'd say there was a plan, and much of it laid out in the coalition agreement - which took 5 days to write.

    What's Labour's excuse?
    They (sort of) tried to create a unifying theme around the “black hole” and “crashed economy” didn’t they? But they just couldn’t land it. It didn’t have the traction of the need to fix the deficit and an aborted Budget from Truss was hardly black Wednesday.

    So I think they lack the founding myth. They’d have been better to stick to a message about fixing underfunded public services. I think it all went wrong when they failed to use the classic “x years of Tory misrule” line in opposition.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972
    Fulsome tribute from Musk, I'd hope. He stands on the shoulders of giants.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,682
    Selebian said:

    viewcode said:

    Selebian said:

    viewcode said:

    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    The Tories are set to table an amendment to the children's wellbeing bill and Labour will be forced to oppose it which I think gets the Tories exactly what they want on the scandal. Labour opposing a statutory national inquiry on the subject with the Tories in favour of one, on the record. I think by the time the vote comes around Labour will have realised how awful the optics will be for them and they'll end up voting for it or something similar from the Labour benches.

    Starmer has got absolutely zero political instincts, if he had he'd already be ahead of this and have called the inquiry on his own terms. This will now get forced on him at much less favourable terms because there's just too much public anger about it to ignore now.

    Maggie Oliver excoriating on the radio this morning regarding Starmer.
    Prof Alexis Jay basically admitting that the current wave of public anger has forced Labour into accepting the recommendations of her limited inquiry. She spared the governments blushes by remaining silent on whether she thought they'd have done it without being backed into this corner but it was very telling.

    Having it on record that Labour opposed it and the Tories in favour will be, IMO, terminal for Labour in red wall seats. Reform will sweep the board against the party that refused to hold a full national inquiry about the safety of their daughters and voted against it. Every single Labour MP that votes against the Tory amendment will get barraged with it in the election campaign.
    What exactly does anyone expect to come out of a national inquiry that has not already come out?

    Spending several more years hearing the same evidence - and renewing the trauma for those involved, incidentally - while inevitably delaying taking action because why implement recommendations from existing reports when the national inquiry might say something different? - is not just wasteful but shameful.

    We know what we need to know. Collate the existing recommendations, scale them up as necessary and implement them.
    So, in research, we do the same shit over and over (well, different teams do the same shit over and over). Then we* collect up the results of all that shit and collate it all into a systematic review. People do this over and over. Then we collate those reviews into an umbrella review. Increasingly people are doing that over and over. The current frontier of research is coming up with a name for a review of a collection of umbrella reviews. I'm pushing for 'gazebo review' :smiley:

    Maybe we should do the same with independent inquiries :wink:

    *happily I mostly avoid reviews - I've only first-authored one.
    This point - about research degenerating into looking at other research - is an explicit plot point in the Foundation series, and indicates a rotting civilisation. People think research is done at desks, and it just isn't.
    Um... my research is done at a desk :cry:
    As is mine - well more specifically, the statistical contributions to somebody else's research, but I get named so it's all good :)

    But if you are doing something with real-world implications, you have to check it against the real world, and we are losing sight of that. The map is not the territory and a' that.
    Well, I use real world data. I'm just not the person collecting the data. The doctors and nurses do it as part of routine care (not for the purposes of research, which can raise its own issues).
    Also - AIUI Cochranes can indicate where new real world research appears to be particularly needed. If all existing trials appear to be duds ... opportunity knocks.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,191
    kinabalu said:

    Fulsome tribute from Musk, I'd hope. He stands on the shoulders of giants.
    I listened to Musk's Dad Errol yesterday. I suspect he wasn't a Mandela voter and maybe, although I can't say for certain, cried a river when the apartheid system failed.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,682

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Lots of English folk expect to work on 2 January.
    *shudders*
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,191
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Lots of English folk expect to work on 2 January.
    *shudders*
    I remember watching Killie smash Greenock Morton 4-2 on Christmas Day (1971?). Holidays are for wimps North of Hadrian's Wall.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,682
    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,821
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    GE in 27? Can't see that. The sense I'm getting is of the toddler in the back of the car chirping "when are we there? when are we there?" before we've even made the motorway. I think people should relax a bit more into the reality of several years, and likely a decade, of Labour government. Easy for me to say, I know, as a supporter of it, but I think it's a good approach for Tories and far righters too.

    IIRC something like that was what we all felt in 2010; there was a Coalition Government with a solid majority, and while there were odd bumps on the road, notably Chris Huhne, we all expected it to last until 2015.
    Yes there was an air of stability about that government. I recall not feeling that bad about Labour losing in 2010. The Con majority in 2015 was another matter though. That was a sickener.
    A sickener indeed, especially for LibDems.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,810

    kinabalu said:

    Fulsome tribute from Musk, I'd hope. He stands on the shoulders of giants.
    I listened to Musk's Dad Errol yesterday. I suspect he wasn't a Mandela voter and maybe, although I can't say for certain, cried a river when the apartheid system failed.
    He was a member of the anti-apartheid Progressive Federal Party in the early '80s, but left the party and aligned with the New Republic Party, who favoured a midway course between keeping apartheid and abolishing apartheid... sort of apartheid-lite.

    He's been accused of domestic violence against Elon's mother. He subsequently married a woman 20 years younger than him, and then had a relationship with his stepdaughter from that relationship. Elon said of him, "Almost every evil thing you could possibly think of, he has done."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,821

    kinabalu said:

    Fulsome tribute from Musk, I'd hope. He stands on the shoulders of giants.
    I listened to Musk's Dad Errol yesterday. I suspect he wasn't a Mandela voter and maybe, although I can't say for certain, cried a river when the apartheid system failed.
    I’ve waited years to quote this song: ‘I’ve never met a nice South African!’

    Although in real life I have!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972
    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    I was just thinking he could become a sort of Pablo Escobar out there in Texas. Build his own quasi state, with its own army (legal there), infrastructure, laws etc. Muskland. Convert the digital kingdom into a physical one. Mixture of desire and necessity (as with Escobar).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675

    kinabalu said:

    Fulsome tribute from Musk, I'd hope. He stands on the shoulders of giants.
    I listened to Musk's Dad Errol yesterday. I suspect he wasn't a Mandela voter and maybe, although I can't say for certain, cried a river when the apartheid system failed.
    Errol Musk was a long time supporter of the Progressive Party - see Helen Suzman - an anti-Apartheid party. IIRC he got elected councillor or something like that.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,828
    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    Maybe Farage wasn't a good fit for Oddjob?

    That said, I wonder how he'd have looked in the hat?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    edited January 7
    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    Think so, hope so.

    If the OSB were to kill PB there would be something badly wrong with where it's aiming.
    IIRC 98% of those arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act were young black men, at one point.

    Edit: The PIRA had one (1) black member that we know of. He wasn’t arrested under the PTA, as it happens.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,657

    Ukraine has announced that it has eliminated 4,000 North Korean troops and captured 860 as POWs.

    Crikey.

    Reportedly many were unaware of the anti-personnel drones.
  • I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    Think so, hope so.

    If the OSB were to kill PB there would be something badly wrong with where it's aiming.
    IIRC 98% of those arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act were young black men, at one point.

    Edit: The PIRA had one (1) black member that we know of. He wasn’t arrested under the PTA, as it happens.
    Yep. Laws can be exploited for the wrong ends. That's a good example of it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,111
    biggles said:

    mwadams said:

    On topic, I fully agree with TSE. This is Westminster Wonkery at its finest (ie worst).

    A government elected with a landslide majority has no cause to go to the country after two years. On what basis? Delivery? There won't be any because the only actual decisions the govt has taken so far have been to piss things off and make them (temporarily, one assumes Labour expects), worse. Mandate? It already has that, unless it wants to rat on a pledge. Preventative, before things really go down the pan? Hardly an inspiring message. To take advantage? Brenda from Bristol - and indeed the entire 2017 election - would have an answer to that.

    And even if re-elected, then unless the Tories and Reform are both at each others' throats and failing to land blows on Labour, then Labour will lose seats. No matter how you spin it, that will take the shine off any victory and check Labour's momentum - as well as potentially costing some ministers their seats.

    Just bloody govern and forget about the games. Governments have many structural advantages in the political game. If the country is in a decent, improved, shape come 2028/9, and Labour runs a capable campaign, they will win.

    We haven't had a government that "just" governed for many years. I suspect that this is partly because of the long periods in opposition before a new government was formed. Non-governing habits are formed that are difficult to shake off.

    About the only thing I can praise Blair for is his good fortune in coming into government at a time of relative stability and choosing to (basically) carry on a continuity Major administration, domestically.

    Given both Tory and Labour are suffering, I wonder if Westminster has collectively forgotten how to do it?
    The Coalition 'just governed' in 2010-15. Sure, there were reforms there but they were ones that had been in the planning for years and more-or-less ready to go. It was change for change's sake, and it certainly wasn't politics for politics' sake. Arguably, Theresa May tried 'just governing', notwithstanding the 2017 election (which was arguably necessary given her precarious majority, subsequently proven by events after she and Nick Timothy cocked up the execution).

    Just governing isn't about pure administration; it's about setting out a coherent plan for the 4-5 years and sticking to it. Though obviously the administration needs doing too, and doing well.
    The coalition made reforms in education, pensions, welfare, a (utterly bizarre) one in health, and advanced liberal social policies. This was on top of the fundamental one to eliminate the structural deficit.

    I'd say there was a plan, and much of it laid out in the coalition agreement - which took 5 days to write.

    What's Labour's excuse?
    They (sort of) tried to create a unifying theme around the “black hole” and “crashed economy” didn’t they? But they just couldn’t land it. It didn’t have the traction of the need to fix the deficit and an aborted Budget from Truss was hardly black Wednesday.

    So I think they lack the founding myth. They’d have been better to stick to a message about fixing underfunded public services. I think it all went wrong when they failed to use the classic “x years of Tory misrule” line in opposition.
    They still have the bugbear about the Liam Byrne note, I think.

    Whilst Hunt can-kicked some pay settlements, departmental spending reviews and efficiency savings out to 2025 in his last budget, and did a pre-election tax-cut, it just wasn't in the same category, so didn't land. And people expected Labour to overdo tax and spend over and above this in any event.

    Which they did.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,649

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    I look forward to the day we can discuss our skincare and hair care once more.
    Sorry, you're banned for triggering those whose hair care is a thing of the past.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,931

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    (One of) the (many) odd thing(s) about Musk is that apparently he has an open mind to technical solutions and is willing to listen when people push back - hence why his projects do tend to work, despite their seemingly outrageous ambition and targets - and yet when it comes to politics, he shows all the tolerance of criticism as any other autocrat.

    Now, perhaps that can be reconciled in that technical solutions either work or don't work, and in any case, everyone there is working towards the same (his) end. Any cat to catch a mouse, and all that.

    But whatever, he doesn't have much idea about how to win over the public, or how to finesse through policy.

    He is going to come badly undone and it will be spectacular. And joyous.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,140

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    (One of) the (many) odd thing(s) about Musk is that apparently he has an open mind to technical solutions and is willing to listen when people push back - hence why his projects do tend to work, despite their seemingly outrageous ambition and targets - and yet when it comes to politics, he shows all the tolerance of criticism as any other autocrat.

    Now, perhaps that can be reconciled in that technical solutions either work or don't work, and in any case, everyone there is working towards the same (his) end. Any cat to catch a mouse, and all that.

    But whatever, he doesn't have much idea about how to win over the public, or how to finesse through policy.

    He is going to come badly undone and it will be spectacular. And joyous.
    Behind every great fortune there lies a great crime... I expect even apparent friends of Musk will be gathering enough information to destroy him if he becomes any more than a churlish nuisance.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    Think so, hope so.

    If the OSB were to kill PB there would be something badly wrong with where it's aiming.
    IIRC 98% of those arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act were young black men, at one point.

    Edit: The PIRA had one (1) black member that we know of. He wasn’t arrested under the PTA, as it happens.
    Yep. Laws can be exploited for the wrong ends. That's a good example of it.
    No.

    Laws *will be* exploited for bad ends. Which is why good laws are carefully written. Rather than “If you do something that upsets people enough - guilty. Something and upset to be defined by a regulator with no practical accountability. Oh, and telling the truth isn’t a defence.”
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372
    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    I was just thinking he could become a sort of Pablo Escobar out there in Texas. Build his own quasi state, with its own army (legal there), infrastructure, laws etc. Muskland. Convert the digital kingdom into a physical one. Mixture of desire and necessity (as with Escobar).
    There's huge potential in Texas for that kind of thing. The areas and the potential scale of land ownership so vast. And another thing: a lot of the landscape and some of the climate is not dissimilar to Savanna areas of sub-Saharan Africa. An enterprising and very rich individual (and who better than the Saffer Elon Musk) could fence off a few thousand hectares, plant a few million authentic looking acacias and the odd baobab, and then release an entire menagerie of African plains wildlife. Turn a corner of Texas into the world's largest and most realistic safari park where predators actually kill prey and everything breeds in the semi-wild.

    As it's Musk he could also hatch a few DNA-reconstructed dinosaurs.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,976

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    Maybe Farage wasn't a good fit for Oddjob?

    That said, I wonder how he'd have looked in the hat?
    Which one of them is Saruman and Grima Wormtongue?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    Bond villains are suave and charismatic.
    A true Bond villain looks like Jeff Bezos, thinks like Elon Musk and speaks like James Dyson.
    That's very good.

    Although I can't get out of the back of my mind that such a composite would really just be trying to sell you self-driving vacuum cleaners?
    Or bagless space rockets.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    I was just thinking he could become a sort of Pablo Escobar out there in Texas. Build his own quasi state, with its own army (legal there), infrastructure, laws etc. Muskland. Convert the digital kingdom into a physical one. Mixture of desire and necessity (as with Escobar).
    There's huge potential in Texas for that kind of thing. The areas and the potential scale of land ownership so vast. And another thing: a lot of the landscape and some of the climate is not dissimilar to Savanna areas of sub-Saharan Africa. An enterprising and very rich individual (and who better than the Saffer Elon Musk) could fence off a few thousand hectares, plant a few million authentic looking acacias and the odd baobab, and then release an entire menagerie of African plains wildlife. Turn a corner of Texas into the world's largest and most realistic safari park where predators actually kill prey and everything breeds in the semi-wild.

    As it's Musk he could also hatch a few DNA-reconstructed dinosaurs.
    Years back, there was a chap who wanted to raise rhino in Texas. A vast herd of them. Then farm the horns, and crash the world market for rhino horn to the point that it wouldn’t even pay for the poachers bullets.

    All to be financed by selling hunting licenses, IIRC.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    Bond villains are suave and charismatic.
    A true Bond villain looks like Jeff Bezos, thinks like Elon Musk and speaks like James Dyson.
    That's very good.

    Although I can't get out of the back of my mind that such a composite would really just be trying to sell you self-driving vacuum cleaners?
    Or bagless space rockets.
    Caseless solid rockets are a thing.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372

    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    I was just thinking he could become a sort of Pablo Escobar out there in Texas. Build his own quasi state, with its own army (legal there), infrastructure, laws etc. Muskland. Convert the digital kingdom into a physical one. Mixture of desire and necessity (as with Escobar).
    There's huge potential in Texas for that kind of thing. The areas and the potential scale of land ownership so vast. And another thing: a lot of the landscape and some of the climate is not dissimilar to Savanna areas of sub-Saharan Africa. An enterprising and very rich individual (and who better than the Saffer Elon Musk) could fence off a few thousand hectares, plant a few million authentic looking acacias and the odd baobab, and then release an entire menagerie of African plains wildlife. Turn a corner of Texas into the world's largest and most realistic safari park where predators actually kill prey and everything breeds in the semi-wild.

    As it's Musk he could also hatch a few DNA-reconstructed dinosaurs.
    Years back, there was a chap who wanted to raise rhino in Texas. A vast herd of them. Then farm the horns, and crash the world market for rhino horn to the point that it wouldn’t even pay for the poachers bullets.

    All to be financed by selling hunting licenses, IIRC.
    One of those economically sensible yet somehow never politically achievable plans, like the even better one of big pharma buying up the entire annual Afghan opium poppy harvest at guaranteed fair trade prices.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,639
    edited January 7
    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,608
    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Keep an eye on Winkelman - behind that fringe is a dark authoritarian mind waiting to unleash her perfectly timed and choreographed goosesteppers.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,372
    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Reality TV, and Inspector Morse spinoffs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Philip K Dick, George Orwell and with a touch of William Gibson….
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    Think so, hope so.

    If the OSB were to kill PB there would be something badly wrong with where it's aiming.
    IIRC 98% of those arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act were young black men, at one point.

    Edit: The PIRA had one (1) black member that we know of. He wasn’t arrested under the PTA, as it happens.
    Yep. Laws can be exploited for the wrong ends. That's a good example of it.
    No.

    Laws *will be* exploited for bad ends. Which is why good laws are carefully written. Rather than “If you do something that upsets people enough - guilty. Something and upset to be defined by a regulator with no practical accountability. Oh, and telling the truth isn’t a defence.”
    "Good laws are carefully written"

    You're on fire.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,361

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,250
    edited January 7

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Surely Sadiq has best riposte to BRUV.

    Maaate.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,931
    Nigelb said:

    Ukraine has announced that it has eliminated 4,000 North Korean troops and captured 860 as POWs.

    Crikey.

    Reportedly many were unaware of the anti-personnel drones.
    Doesn't say much about Russian briefing. You wonder what it *does* say about Russian tactics re the drones.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,140

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Philip K Dick, George Orwell and with a touch of William Gibson….
    Andy Warhol... in the future the Tory leaders will last 15 minutes.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,700

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    Bond villains are suave and charismatic.
    A true Bond villain looks like Jeff Bezos, thinks like Elon Musk and speaks like James Dyson.
    That's very good.

    Although I can't get out of the back of my mind that such a composite would really just be trying to sell you self-driving vacuum cleaners?
    With a streaming service bundled in.

    With all Bond villains, you have to start by blaming the parents?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,972
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    I was just thinking he could become a sort of Pablo Escobar out there in Texas. Build his own quasi state, with its own army (legal there), infrastructure, laws etc. Muskland. Convert the digital kingdom into a physical one. Mixture of desire and necessity (as with Escobar).
    There's huge potential in Texas for that kind of thing. The areas and the potential scale of land ownership so vast. And another thing: a lot of the landscape and some of the climate is not dissimilar to Savanna areas of sub-Saharan Africa. An enterprising and very rich individual (and who better than the Saffer Elon Musk) could fence off a few thousand hectares, plant a few million authentic looking acacias and the odd baobab, and then release an entire menagerie of African plains wildlife. Turn a corner of Texas into the world's largest and most realistic safari park where predators actually kill prey and everything breeds in the semi-wild.

    As it's Musk he could also hatch a few DNA-reconstructed dinosaurs.
    Yep. That's totally on, I think. Shudder.

    On a brighter note, Escobar ended up in jail. Trouble is, it was his own jail, built to spec and looking oddly like a luxury villa.

    Amazing story.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,516
    edited January 7
    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Just looked up Lowe, 7 years older than Farage so it won't be him. Too short at 30-1 next PM imo.

    Also Bozza at 16-1 ! A preposterous price lol.

    So now I'm -£128 Farage, Bozza or Lowe against +£67.51 anyone else
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,649
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    I don’t think Bond villains called people names on social media.

    Poisonous spiders in your bed, death by obstacle course/giant squid etc was more their speed.

    Mind you, there was that guy with his own space program…
    Musk needs a henchman too. Either a very big one, or a teeny tiny one.
    I was just thinking he could become a sort of Pablo Escobar out there in Texas. Build his own quasi state, with its own army (legal there), infrastructure, laws etc. Muskland. Convert the digital kingdom into a physical one. Mixture of desire and necessity (as with Escobar).
    There's huge potential in Texas for that kind of thing. The areas and the potential scale of land ownership so vast. And another thing: a lot of the landscape and some of the climate is not dissimilar to Savanna areas of sub-Saharan Africa. An enterprising and very rich individual (and who better than the Saffer Elon Musk) could fence off a few thousand hectares, plant a few million authentic looking acacias and the odd baobab, and then release an entire menagerie of African plains wildlife. Turn a corner of Texas into the world's largest and most realistic safari park where predators actually kill prey and everything breeds in the semi-wild.

    As it's Musk he could also hatch a few DNA-reconstructed dinosaurs.
    Years back, there was a chap who wanted to raise rhino in Texas. A vast herd of them. Then farm the horns, and crash the world market for rhino horn to the point that it wouldn’t even pay for the poachers bullets.

    All to be financed by selling hunting licenses, IIRC.
    One of those economically sensible yet somehow never politically achievable plans, like the even better one of big pharma buying up the entire annual Afghan opium poppy harvest at guaranteed fair trade prices.
    Or using the cows afflicted with BSE to clear minefields in Cambodia and ex-Yugoslavia.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,686
    Eight detained on suspicion of tragedy chanting

    A man from the United States was one of eight people detained after tragedy chanting at Sunday's Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester United, police have said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czen7g2x47yo

    Arrests for upsetting people are not new, but no-one cared when it was only football supporters.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,516

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,244
    edited January 7
    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric cars within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,675
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    Think so, hope so.

    If the OSB were to kill PB there would be something badly wrong with where it's aiming.
    IIRC 98% of those arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act were young black men, at one point.

    Edit: The PIRA had one (1) black member that we know of. He wasn’t arrested under the PTA, as it happens.
    Yep. Laws can be exploited for the wrong ends. That's a good example of it.
    No.

    Laws *will be* exploited for bad ends. Which is why good laws are carefully written. Rather than “If you do something that upsets people enough - guilty. Something and upset to be defined by a regulator with no practical accountability. Oh, and telling the truth isn’t a defence.”
    "Good laws are carefully written"

    You're on fire.
    Interesting that you don’t understand the concept - see philosophy since the Greeks.

    The writing of a law that then enables those in power to actually define it, unaccountably, is the subject of many books.

    Or is it just that you are ok with -

    “It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.”

    ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,244
    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    (One of) the (many) odd thing(s) about Musk is that apparently he has an open mind to technical solutions and is willing to listen when people push back - hence why his projects do tend to work, despite their seemingly outrageous ambition and targets - and yet when it comes to politics, he shows all the tolerance of criticism as any other autocrat.

    Now, perhaps that can be reconciled in that technical solutions either work or don't work, and in any case, everyone there is working towards the same (his) end. Any cat to catch a mouse, and all that.

    But whatever, he doesn't have much idea about how to win over the public, or how to finesse through policy.

    He is going to come badly undone and it will be spectacular. And joyous.
    It seems that he has changed over time even in the technical solutions front. As well as the ugliness and unsellability (in the EU and UK) of Cybertruck, reportedly the issues with Starship Flight 1 (the concrete underneath disintegrating and causing serious damage to the vehicle as well as to the launch site and environmental ructions) were foreseen by his civil engineers. They warned him that it really needed some sort of flame mitigation system, and he ended up firing them.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,523
    edited January 7
    Foxy said:

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
    Bill Gates seems to have bucked the trend. As far as I'm aware, he appears to have used his billions largely as a force for good.
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