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The polling you’ve all been waiting for – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,212
edited December 17 in General
The polling you’ve all been waiting for – politicalbetting.com

Kemi Badenoch has taken a swipe at sandwiches, saying "I don't think sandwiches are a real food, it's what you have for breakfast."This will be news to the public, of whom 70% say they never or only rarely have sandwiches for breakfasthttps://t.co/QPvyr6c0eq pic.twitter.com/3j45YLuxWg

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  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,868
    Second.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    I usually have sandwiches for lunch. I know you're all thrilled to hear that.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,323

    I usually have sandwiches for lunch. I know you're all thrilled to hear that.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Smoked salmon and pickled gherkin and dill roll for me yesterday.

    Good morning, too.
  • I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    Highlights two of Kemi's big personality flaws.

    One is how very very very online she is- and whilst some voters will be impressed, more will think that Lord Dave was right in this matter.

    The other is her inability to let it lie, ever, on anything.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760
    Nigelb said:


    The UK F35, for now can't provide the long range shooting ability of the Typhoon, I believe (cant fit the bigger missiles). Another few would make some sort of sense.


    There's no crew. That's why they slowed down the F-35B acquisition - well, that and to save money.

    The last 13 British F-35s (ZM170-ZM182) will be Meteor shooters (eventually) and have a superior radar to Typhoon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    Two tw@ts atweeting.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,226

    theProle said:

    A gratuitous use of my image allowance! (I thought this more interesting than Leon's pictures of his dinner). I'm currently in sole charge of not one, but two steam locomotives in steam.
    I've been here since the small hours, lighting up and getting them in steam ready for a day hauling Satan Santa and a load of small kids round - the crews for both should be relieving me in around an hour. Long live king coal...!


    You may feel like it's doxxing, so don't feel like answering if you don't want, but which railway is that?

    Standard gauge by the looks of it; 0-4-0 at the back, presumably an 0-4-0 at the front?
    Foxfield, Stoke-on-Trent. Locos are both four coupled - Marston Thompson and Evershed Ltd No3 in the background, and Kerr Stuart 4388 in the foreground.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356
  • I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,700
    FPT

    Nigelb said:

    Assad reportedly has £55m in a London HSBC account.

    Should be seized by the authorities surely?
    Yes, years ago, when their dodgy behaviour was first noted, but governments are scared of them because they’re so big, and tha…

    Oh sorry, you mean Assad’s money?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760
    On topic... KB is not going to win an online shithousery competition with NF. That's cedeing home pitch advantage.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    edited December 14

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,700

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    Was it very hard?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,700
    theProle said:

    theProle said:

    A gratuitous use of my image allowance! (I thought this more interesting than Leon's pictures of his dinner). I'm currently in sole charge of not one, but two steam locomotives in steam.
    I've been here since the small hours, lighting up and getting them in steam ready for a day hauling Satan Santa and a load of small kids round - the crews for both should be relieving me in around an hour. Long live king coal...!


    You may feel like it's doxxing, so don't feel like answering if you don't want, but which railway is that?

    Standard gauge by the looks of it; 0-4-0 at the back, presumably an 0-4-0 at the front?
    Foxfield, Stoke-on-Trent. Locos are both four coupled - Marston Thompson and Evershed Ltd No3 in the background, and Kerr Stuart 4388 in the foreground.
    A pair of local locos!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,868
    edited December 14
    FPT: I won't FPT much of the previous planning convo, but this is worth a look for anyone with Saturday intellectual energy. Planning Barristers redrawing their mental maps. :wink:

    This is probably for @Andy_Cooke @BatteryCorrectHorse and maybe @eek and @stodge, and others involved in Planning Committees. It is the first detailed commentary on parts of the new NPPF I have seen, and has some good points, and draws out details we have not mentioned.

    The Christmas Film Die Hard gets a mention, as in “Ho! Ho! Ho! Now I have a machine gun!” *

    If you are not at least a little familiar with the Local Plan process, you may come away with a modest "assaulted by planning documents" headache.

    The New NPPF: A Christmas Cracker?

    The updated National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF), released today (12 December 2024), promises significant changes to housing delivery, Green Belt planning, and local plan collaboration. In this analysis, members of the Cornerstone Planning and Environment Team highlight the key takeaways.

    https://cornerstonebarristers.com/the-new-nppf-a-christmas-cracker/

    * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlQoXP2XH68

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,516

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    It’s a shame that BCCI no longer exist, for people like Assad. At my first law firm, we used to call them the Bank of Crack and Cocaine, much to the annoyance of the partner who worked for them.

    Mind you, I’d have thought Goldman Sachs or Deutsche Bank would be the best fit for Assad.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:


    The UK F35, for now can't provide the long range shooting ability of the Typhoon, I believe (cant fit the bigger missiles). Another few would make some sort of sense.


    There's no crew. That's why they slowed down the F-35B acquisition - well, that and to save money.

    The last 13 British F-35s (ZM170-ZM182) will be Meteor shooters (eventually) and have a superior radar to Typhoon.
    Given the potential air threat from waves of UAS like the Shaheed, we should be buying a shitload of these things, which wou lookd be a reasonably cost effective way of taking them out.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System

    What's the best (capability/cost) platform for them ?
  • I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    I love the way HSBC rolls out the red carpet for all sorts of dodgy folk, I try and buy a few nice bottles of wine for Christmas the other day and I got flagged for fraudulent activity....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,700
    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.
  • Sean_F said:

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    It’s a shame that BCCI no longer exist, for people like Assad. At my first law firm, we used to call them the Bank of Crack and Cocaine, much to the annoyance of the partner who worked for them.

    Mind you, I’d have thought Goldman Sachs or Deutsche Bank would be the best fit for Assad.
    I always knew it as the Bank of Crooks and Criminals International....
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:


    The UK F35, for now can't provide the long range shooting ability of the Typhoon, I believe (cant fit the bigger missiles). Another few would make some sort of sense.


    There's no crew. That's why they slowed down the F-35B acquisition - well, that and to save money.

    The last 13 British F-35s (ZM170-ZM182) will be Meteor shooters (eventually) and have a superior radar to Typhoon.
    Given the potential air threat from waves of UAS like the Shaheed, we should be buying a shitload of these things, which wou lookd be a reasonably cost effective way of taking them out.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Precision_Kill_Weapon_System

    What's the best (capability/cost) platform for them ?
    The best platform is the one you've already got so AH-64.
  • Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    edited December 14
    Sandwiches are not conceptually simple, so I don't trust this poll.
    If I put marmalade on bread, but don't either fold it in half or put a matching slice of bread on top, is it a sandwich?

    If it is, then large numbers of people sometimes have sandwiches. If it isn't then fewer do.

    But if a non sandwich becomes a sandwich merely by folding one half over the other, the difference is (as Aristotle would say) not one of substance but of accident. This is not intellectually satisfying.

    This exercise can be carried on with toast. The problems are not simple.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    edited December 14
    Sean_F said:

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    It’s a shame that BCCI no longer exist, for people like Assad. At my first law firm, we used to call them the Bank of Crack and Cocaine, much to the annoyance of the partner who worked for them.

    Mind you, I’d have thought Goldman Sachs or Deutsche Bank would be the best fit for Assad.
    If the Russian economy tanks/The Bank of Russia runs out of money I would be shocked to see Deutsche Bank have problems.
  • ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,700

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
    You want some…sandwiches?
  • ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
    Yes...
  • I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    I love the way HSBC rolls out the red carpet for all sorts of dodgy folk, I try and buy a few nice bottles of wine for Christmas the other day and I got flagged for fraudulent activity....
    I wouldn't touch HSBC with a 100ft barge pole, their behaviour in Hong Kong and with China is utterly shameful.

    I bet Prince Andrew banks with HSBC.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,868
    edited December 14
    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce will probably not approve.

    UK joins Italy and Japan to develop British fighter jet to rival America’s F-35
    Joint-venture hailed as a ‘pivotal moment’ for the international aerospace and defence industry
    https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2024/dec/13/uk-joins-italy-and-japan-to-develop-british-fighter-jet-to-rival-americas-f-35

    It's a consequential decision, and would suck up quite a lot of the defence budget.

    It sounds as though Starmer is looking for Saudi cash before he commits the government to it.

    Can't the Groan realise that GCAP, or FADS or SCAFS or whatever it is called today is (perhaps nearly) 6th Gen and F35B is 5th Gen, and that BAE already have quite a chunk of F35 which is a touch more than a 'few parts'. They are not rivals.

    I think the peeps who will be worried about this are more the French and the Germans, not the Yanks. They are the ones currently further up a creek without a paddle.

    Listened to a reasonably provocative video about this from Dr Alexander Clarke this week, who I'm not normally keen on and find wearing, but this was more interesting than I usually find and touched on the politics.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEn31l-ytcM
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 14
    algarkirk said:

    Sandwiches are not conceptually simple, so I don't trust this poll.
    If I put marmalade on bread, but don't either fold it in half or put a matching slice of bread on top, is it a sandwich?
    .

    Are you not familiar with Paddington ?
    He is conceptually very simple indeed.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    This deathmatch will only get more bitter, fuelled by defections.

    I was going to add, this can only end in a cannibalism event, but someone will make a very bad taste sandwich joke. So I won’t.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 717
    HSBC are painful to bank with but my worst experience was with Santander. They would challenge (ie block) almost every international transfer or visa payment to the extent that it became impossible to use them. So I left them and now bank with Revolut - no questions asked and best currency rates.

    Big banks are killing themselves
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,226
    ydoethur said:

    theProle said:

    theProle said:

    A gratuitous use of my image allowance! (I thought this more interesting than Leon's pictures of his dinner). I'm currently in sole charge of not one, but two steam locomotives in steam.
    I've been here since the small hours, lighting up and getting them in steam ready for a day hauling Satan Santa and a load of small kids round - the crews for both should be relieving me in around an hour. Long live king coal...!


    You may feel like it's doxxing, so don't feel like answering if you don't want, but which railway is that?

    Standard gauge by the looks of it; 0-4-0 at the back, presumably an 0-4-0 at the front?
    Foxfield, Stoke-on-Trent. Locos are both four coupled - Marston Thompson and Evershed Ltd No3 in the background, and Kerr Stuart 4388 in the foreground.
    A pair of local locos!
    Kerr Stuart 4388 particularly so - built in Stoke, worked at Eturia gas works, then Brookside Foundry (which was what Kerr Stuart's works became after they went bust). Then it's called Foxfield home since the late 1980s.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,857
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sandwiches are not conceptually simple, so I don't trust this poll.
    If I put marmalade on bread, but don't either fold it in half or put a matching slice of bread on top, is it a sandwich?
    .

    Are you not familiar with Paddington ?
    He is conceptually very simple indeed.

    Yes. As our beloved QEII can no longer give a ruling, I am looking to Paddington himself to sort it out authoritatively.

    It's obvs better to fold it over if keeping it in your handbag.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,760

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
  • I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    I love the way HSBC rolls out the red carpet for all sorts of dodgy folk, I try and buy a few nice bottles of wine for Christmas the other day and I got flagged for fraudulent activity....
    Get yourself an AMEX they are the best for dealing with stuff.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645
    Happy Saturday 🐎
    Cheltenham 12:40 - Hillcrest
    Cheltenham 1.50 - In Excelsis Deo
    Doncaster 2.05 - Does He Know
    Doncaster 2.40 - Wyenot
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,140
    I wonder how long it will take the Conservatives to realise that every time they bring up immigration they are going to leak support to Reform. They have been used to raising immigration as a polling comfort blanket for well over a decade so it won't be quick. But I fail to see how they can win any debates on the issue, their record is in plain sight, whereas Farage's is still untested rhetoric and shiny (false, undeliverable) promises. Labour will be able to point out to falling numbers and a different approach which will appeal to a different mindset.

    Whatever the identity of the next successful iteration of the Conservatives is, it simply can't have immigration front and centre, unless they invite Farage in to the tent.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,141
    edited December 14

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    Highlights two of Kemi's big personality flaws.

    One is how very very very online she is- and whilst some voters will be impressed, more will think that Lord Dave was right in this matter.

    The other is her inability to let it lie, ever, on anything.
    The latter was a key part of my reason for voting Jenrick.

    She'd have been better to say something like 'I'm glad Nigel likes sandwiches - maybe he could persuade me I'm wrong after we've got these socialists out of government'....
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,351
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sandwiches are not conceptually simple, so I don't trust this poll.
    If I put marmalade on bread, but don't either fold it in half or put a matching slice of bread on top, is it a sandwich?
    .

    Are you not familiar with Paddington ?
    He is conceptually very simple indeed.

    Yes. As our beloved QEII can no longer give a ruling, I am looking to Paddington himself to sort it out authoritatively.

    It's obvs better to fold it over if keeping it in your handbag.
    As the verb form means to squash something between two other things*, I would say you do have to fold it over or get another slice. I do not recognise the legitimacy of the open topped sandwich.

    "Urban dictionary may carry verb forms that seem superficially synonymous, but emphasise rather different aspects of an orientation.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,212

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
    One thing I do quite like about Badenoch is her lack of message discipline and refusal to let something go. She keeps arguing the case, even if she’s evidently losing the online battle. In that way she reminds me of Rory Stewart. The urge to explain, argue and persuade even when the other side have their fingers in their ears is quite quaint.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,956

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    With Lionel Richie ?
  • ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
    She's using the same protective field that Corbyn did- she may have been present in government, but she wasn't involved. Therefore the failures weren't hers.

    To be fair, if you were part of a government that collapsed in futility but still have ambitions of your own, it's probably your best line to take. Not a good line, but probably the best line.

    Of course it's possible that we're going back to the rapid pendulum of the 70's. But following the pattern since then, the next Conservative PM isn't even an MP yet.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,351
    Taz said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    With Lionel Richie ?
    Dancing on the head of a pin rather than on the ceiling.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,212
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    I expect automated car use will continue to grow in the US while generating barely a ripple of interest in Europe for the foreseeable future. Partly because of EU and local safety regulations, partly the automobile lobby here, but mainly our street system which - some German and Nordic cities aside - just doesn’t have the multi-lane grid and crossroads setup that dominates US cities and suits robocars.

    One obvious application of the technology over here would be in buses, in fact long term it seems a no-brainer: pre-set route and stops, already dedicated lanes, low average speed. But I expect transport unions here and in most European countries will hold that back.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    edited December 14
    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,254
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    Le Pen's 41.45% in the last election would be enough for a landslide win here.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,423
    edited December 14
    theProle said:

    theProle said:

    A gratuitous use of my image allowance! (I thought this more interesting than Leon's pictures of his dinner). I'm currently in sole charge of not one, but two steam locomotives in steam.
    I've been here since the small hours, lighting up and getting them in steam ready for a day hauling Satan Santa and a load of small kids round - the crews for both should be relieving me in around an hour. Long live king coal...!


    You may feel like it's doxxing, so don't feel like answering if you don't want, but which railway is that?

    Standard gauge by the looks of it; 0-4-0 at the back, presumably an 0-4-0 at the front?
    Foxfield, Stoke-on-Trent. Locos are both four coupled - Marston Thompson and Evershed Ltd No3 in the background, and Kerr Stuart 4388 in the foreground.
    Ah thanks, so not an Austerity.

    Can I just say what a marvellous little railway the Foxfield is - even though I sadly haven't been there for a couple of decades. Thanks for all the work you and others do there.

    Edit: I was once in the bar car when a baby, held in its mothers arms, projectile-vomited ribena across the carriage and onto my trousers. Quite why they were giving a baby ribena is another question...
  • Penddu2 said:

    HSBC are painful to bank with but my worst experience was with Santander. They would challenge (ie block) almost every international transfer or visa payment to the extent that it became impossible to use them. So I left them and now bank with Revolut - no questions asked and best currency rates.

    Big banks are killing themselves

    Try Barclays or NatWest. They will make you think the other banks are ok.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,826

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    I love the way HSBC rolls out the red carpet for all sorts of dodgy folk, I try and buy a few nice bottles of wine for Christmas the other day and I got flagged for fraudulent activity....
    Get yourself an AMEX they are the best for dealing with stuff.
    I booted HSBC several years ago because of their attitude towards the people of Hong Kong.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    TimS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    I expect automated car use will continue to grow in the US while generating barely a ripple of interest in Europe for the foreseeable future. Partly because of EU and local safety regulations, partly the automobile lobby here, but mainly our street system which - some German and Nordic cities aside - just doesn’t have the multi-lane grid and crossroads setup that dominates US cities and suits robocars.

    One obvious application of the technology over here would be in buses, in fact long term it seems a no-brainer: pre-set route and stops, already dedicated lanes, low average speed. But I expect transport unions here and in most European countries will hold that back.
    But you would still need a guard or similar on the bus - at which point you haven't saved any money given the pay of your average bus driver relative to minimum wage..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,693

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    Le Pen's 41.45% in the last election would be enough for a landslide win here.
    Or not; see Labour's results in 1950 and 51.

    And Good Morning to everyone..... Right, Left and Centre.
    Just a little bit of sunshine this morning, at last.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
  • Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    Le Pen's 41.45% in the last election would be enough for a landslide win here.
    41.45% in a head-to-head isn't the same as the same percentage in a multi-party scramble. A fairer comparison would be the 23.15% MLP got in the first round.

    proche mais pas de cigare
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    While Kemi and Farage clash over sandwiches and immigration on social media the only winner will be Starmer
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,868

    I wonder how long it will take the Conservatives to realise that every time they bring up immigration they are going to leak support to Reform. They have been used to raising immigration as a polling comfort blanket for well over a decade so it won't be quick. But I fail to see how they can win any debates on the issue, their record is in plain sight, whereas Farage's is still untested rhetoric and shiny (false, undeliverable) promises. Labour will be able to point out to falling numbers and a different approach which will appeal to a different mindset.

    Whatever the identity of the next successful iteration of the Conservatives is, it simply can't have immigration front and centre, unless they invite Farage in to the tent.

    Tories caught between Labour and Reform .... in a Sandwich :blush: .
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,693
    HYUFD said:

    While Kemi and Farage clash over sandwiches and immigration on social media the only winner will be Starmer

    Rats fighting over the sinking ship? To confuse the metaphor.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited December 14
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    Le Pen's party won the first round of the French legislative elections, unlike France we have no second round so Farage and Reform could win most seats under FPTP with just 30% of the vote here
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,700

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    It's worse than that, of course people can be racist, plenty of people openly are and lead normal lives. The complaint really is people can't be racist without being judged by others. Tough.
    It should be noted that even if Oakeshott wasn't a massive racist, there are plenty of other things to judge her on.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,071

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    I remember the semi-legend that, back when hijacking planes was in fashion, the Swiss passengers were always let off the plane. Don’t upset your bankers…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 14
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    It means they're a technological dinosaur; effectively surrender.

    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,071

    Sean_F said:

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    It’s a shame that BCCI no longer exist, for people like Assad. At my first law firm, we used to call them the Bank of Crack and Cocaine, much to the annoyance of the partner who worked for them.

    Mind you, I’d have thought Goldman Sachs or Deutsche Bank would be the best fit for Assad.
    If the Russian economy tanks/The Bank of Russia runs out of money I would be shocked to see Deutsche Bank have problems.
    Douche Bank has er….. donated to everyone in German politics. If they ran into serious trouble all kinds of interesting things would come out. So they would be bailed out no matter what.

    To Dodgy To Fail.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,423
    MattW said:

    Yesterday I went to the National Trust Christmas in the Dark even at Hardwick Hall with a friend I have known since the mid-1980s, who used to run a lighthouse in Kent for the NT.

    Lit walkways to the house, and the house filled with a Christmas display themed around LOKI the Lord of Misrule. Plus I got to see the restored tapestries which are the NT's longest ever restoration project of this type, having taken 20 years. A real treat, local choir performances, and the NT now finally have a more relaxed policy on photography. *

    https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/peak-district-derbyshire/hardwick/gideon-tapestry-project-at-hardwick-hall
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR-JwL3cnLc

    Plus the larger than life portrait of Elizabeth I, opposite one of Mary Queen of Scots. I'll make the first my photo quota.


    Plus a visit for lunch to the new cafe at the Northern Tea Company on Chatsworth Road, Chesterfield. Superb. And came away with about 10 varieties of coffee and several bags of their cocoa-dusted chocolate almonds.

    A great day. Nothing whatsoever "useful" done after midday.

    * They are running them on 8 evenings up until Christmas, and judging on my estimate of the numbers it will add ~15k, which should push them over 300k for the year.

    I haven't been, but our local property, Wimpole Hall, has a lights trail. They are so bright they can be seen from our town, over five miles away. People have been asking: "What's that strange blue glow in the sky?"

    https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/cambridgeshire/wimpole-estate/christmas-at-wimpole
  • TimS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    I expect automated car use will continue to grow in the US while generating barely a ripple of interest in Europe for the foreseeable future. Partly because of EU and local safety regulations, partly the automobile lobby here, but mainly our street system which - some German and Nordic cities aside - just doesn’t have the multi-lane grid and crossroads setup that dominates US cities and suits robocars.

    One obvious application of the technology over here would be in buses, in fact long term it seems a no-brainer: pre-set route and stops, already dedicated lanes, low average speed. But I expect transport unions here and in most European countries will hold that back.
    Trains, aircraft and ships seem much more obvious candidates for automation than cars or even buses. They all operate in much more predictable environments.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,868
    One for history and Irish politics buffs.

    In the "Leading" interviews series at the Rest is Politics, and interview / conversation with Senator George Mitchell, who is now in his 90s. One hour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpD4CL9pjSo
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,071
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    It's worse than that, of course people can be racist, plenty of people openly are and lead normal lives. The complaint really is people can't be racist without being judged by others. Tough.
    It should be noted that even if Oakeshott wasn't a massive racist, there are plenty of other things to judge her on.
    Malmesbury’s Simple Rules for Not Being Racist

    1) don’t set immigrants on fire
    2) not even small ones
    3) especially not small ones
    4) don’t advocate setting immigrants on fire.

    I know it’s tricky, but work at it…
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,140
    edited December 14
    HYUFD said:

    While Kemi and Farage clash over sandwiches and immigration on social media the only winner will be Starmer

    No, its Farage. Tories need to learn this, quickly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    TimS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    I expect automated car use will continue to grow in the US while generating barely a ripple of interest in Europe for the foreseeable future. Partly because of EU and local safety regulations, partly the automobile lobby here, but mainly our street system which - some German and Nordic cities aside - just doesn’t have the multi-lane grid and crossroads setup that dominates US cities and suits robocars.

    One obvious application of the technology over here would be in buses, in fact long term it seems a no-brainer: pre-set route and stops, already dedicated lanes, low average speed. But I expect transport unions here and in most European countries will hold that back.
    I doubt that will last long.
    A couple of cities will make the move, and once everyone's seen the results, it will just happen.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    It's worse than that, of course people can be racist, plenty of people openly are and lead normal lives. The complaint really is people can't be racist without being judged by others. Tough.
    It should be noted that even if Oakeshott wasn't a massive racist, there are plenty of other things to judge her on.
    Malmesbury’s Simple Rules for Not Being Racist

    1) don’t set immigrants on fire
    2) not even small ones
    3) especially not small ones
    4) don’t advocate setting immigrants on fire.

    I know it’s tricky, but work at it…
    Are we still.allowed to paint over Disney cartoons to make small immigrants very sad?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    In the case of farage an easy mistake to make. In the BBC documentary even the police referred to them as 'right-wingers'. If Oakeshott and friends 'appear' supportive of their actions you wouldn't have to be Einstein to join the dots I wondered what persuaded the BBC to choose now to remind viewers of this particularly ugly period in our recent history.
  • I’m not against having a weird person for PM.

    But is this a strategy from Badenoch to get noticed?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,868
    Surprises? Most seats for Reform at the next election.

    From the Leeanderthal Man:

    Lee Anderson MP @LeeAndersonMP_ Dec 11
    The Odds Are Shortening.
    And terrifying the left in the process.
    The People's Army will fight to save our country 🇬🇧


    On Oddschexker, it says between 2:1 and 5:2. A little less generous on Betfair - can be laid at 3.95.

    The same for the Cons can be laid at 2.68, which seems better value to me.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,785

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    At it like the clappers they were.
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    edited December 14

    I’m not against having a weird person for PM.

    But is this a strategy from Badenoch to get noticed?

    That would be 5 in a row
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,071
    Roger said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    In the case of farage an easy mistake to make. In the BBC documentary even the police referred to them as 'right-wingers'. If Oakeshott and friends 'appear' supportive of their actions you wouldn't have to be Einstein to join the dots I wondered what persuaded the BBC to choose now to remind viewers of this particularly ugly period in our recent history.
    Right and left wing are movable feasts, of course.

    Before the middle of the 20th century, right wing politics often meant heavy intervention on the economy, for example. Free markets were a Liberal thing. Corn laws etc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't really matter though.
    The technology works, and it will happen.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,071
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't really matter though.
    The technology works, and it will happen.
    There are substantial differences in approach and the actual technologies used (LIDAR or not? Etc.) by the various companies working on this.

    Waymo chose to restrict the problem to a very small area of a simple grid of streets, with remote backup drivers. They were laughed at for this approach, but their idea was to solve self driving for a small area, with growing amounts of actual autonomy.

    Tesla, like a number of others, tried to solve generalised self driving in one go.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    In the case of farage an easy mistake to make. In the BBC documentary even the police referred to them as 'right-wingers'. If Oakeshott and friends 'appear' supportive of their actions you wouldn't have to be Einstein to join the dots I wondered what persuaded the BBC to choose now to remind viewers of this particularly ugly period in our recent history.
    Right and left wing are movable feasts, of course.

    Before the middle of the 20th century, right wing politics often meant heavy intervention on the economy, for example. Free markets were a Liberal thing. Corn laws etc.
    They are but thanks to the way things have unfolded at the moment Farage owns it and it's turned out to be a pretty unattractive epithet
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    edited December 14
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't really matter though.
    The technology works, and it will happen.
    Tesla's technology stack works enough for self driving? it can't even do Level 2 outside of motorways and properly maintained A roads...

    It isn't Waymo which offers level 5 on known city streets
  • ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    It's worse than that, of course people can be racist, plenty of people openly are and lead normal lives. The complaint really is people can't be racist without being judged by others. Tough.
    It should be noted that even if Oakeshott wasn't a massive racist, there are plenty of other things to judge her on.
    Malmesbury’s Simple Rules for Not Being Racist

    1) don’t set immigrants on fire
    2) not even small ones
    3) especially not small ones
    4) don’t advocate setting immigrants on fire.

    I know it’s tricky, but work at it…
    Are we still.allowed to paint over Disney cartoons to make small immigrants very sad?
    I doubt it marks you out as racist, just as disturbingly nasty.

    Or, at the very least, putting on such a convincing act of being nasty that you have to be very careful that it doesn't become the real you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    The sad thing is that utter trivia like this probably will have a political effect.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,071
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I used all of my self restraint to not use the headline that Farage and Badenoch were at it all night long.

    After the BBC special report into the Middlesborough riots last night you'd have thought instead of taking chunks out of each other they might look at the behaviour of their supporters. It was horrific. Who knew the North East could assemble such an unattractive mob of racists at such short notice? I wonder whether Isobel might reflect on those at the receiving end before opening her gob again

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xpgekvm8o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCpfFACIcY
    I've just listened to the interview with Isabel Oakeshott again...."You're not allowed to be right wing anymore". In conjunction with the BBC footage I'm convinced that Farage might well get a few good polls but he'll get nowhere near at a general election. There just aren't enough fascists in the country. It's the Le Pen story all over again. These two links are all the Tories need.
    They are confusing being right wing with being racist....
    In the case of farage an easy mistake to make. In the BBC documentary even the police referred to them as 'right-wingers'. If Oakeshott and friends 'appear' supportive of their actions you wouldn't have to be Einstein to join the dots I wondered what persuaded the BBC to choose now to remind viewers of this particularly ugly period in our recent history.
    Right and left wing are movable feasts, of course.

    Before the middle of the 20th century, right wing politics often meant heavy intervention on the economy, for example. Free markets were a Liberal thing. Corn laws etc.
    They are but thanks to the way things have unfolded at the moment Farage owns it and it's turned out to be a pretty unattractive epithet
    Given the way that he pulling in Labour voters, it is pretty clear that it is a hybrid. And them spending plans, such as they are, match that. Lots of state spending on the “right” things. Lots of socialism to go with the nationalism, really.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't really matter though.
    The technology works, and it will happen.
    There are substantial differences in approach and the actual technologies used (LIDAR or not? Etc.) by the various companies working on this.

    Waymo chose to restrict the problem to a very small area of a simple grid of streets, with remote backup drivers. They were laughed at for this approach, but their idea was to solve self driving for a small area, with growing amounts of actual autonomy.

    Tesla, like a number of others, tried to solve generalised self driving in one go.
    It's the 80% solution again.

    Waymo went for an 80% solution of using fully known areas, others went for 80% of driving everywhere.

    But fully autonomous driving is a 99.99% problem so Waymo has got a solution that works in confined areas, while the other companies still have 2 to 3/4 iterations to go until they have reached a point where it works everywhere.

    I still think LIDAR is going to be essential for autonomy which is why I think Musk has gone wrong...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,140

    The sad thing is that utter trivia like this probably will have a political effect.

    Ed Miliband Bacon Sandwiches, Corbyn scruffy on Remembrance Day. These things are trivial but defining.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't really matter though.
    The technology works, and it will happen.
    Tesla's technology stack works enough for self driving? it can't even do Level 2 outside of motorways and properly maintained A roads...

    It isn't Waymo which offers level 5 on known city streets
    I was referring to self-driving, not Tesla.
    How they fare is fairly irrelevant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 14
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    For the self-driving sceptics.
    It already looks pretty well unstoppable in large urban centres.

    Waymo's market share is now equal to Lyft within SF. Incredible.

    Network effects is one of the best sources of defensibility. But it's proven to be not that important in ridesharing.

    You need a minimum network size, but once you have that, there are diminishing returns. In each geo, Uber and Lyft need enough drivers to have reasonable wait times. Once wait times hit that acceptable threshold, the incremental driver doesn't improve the rider experience (eg if my Uber ride is coming in 2-4 minutes, I don't really care about the wait times getting faster).

    When Waymo launched in August 2023, Uber and Lyft were at 66% and 34% share in SF.

    15 months later in November 2024, Waymo is at 22% - the same as Lyft - with Uber at 55%.

    Both Uber and Lyft lost low double digit % pts of market share, but it's more painful for Lyft. Lyft gave up ~1/3 of their share. Uber lost ~1/6...

    https://x.com/aleximm/status/1867257473671082356

    This is why Tesla are building Robotaxis. Automation will roll out, and when it does the likes of Uber will happily remove the human factor and simply have the whole network automated.
    I see GM have just pulled out of the robotaxi business. I dunno if that means they think it will never work or they realise that Waymo or whatever the fuck Amazon's thing is called will dominate and they'll never break into the market.

    Telsa's effort will never take off because, as well as being a pathological liar, Musk has trashed the brand by being a far right shitlord.
    If Musk can get his self-driving to work reliably, no one will care that he's a dangerous sociopath and bullshitter. Neither thing is exactly unknown in US corporates.
    That is a very big IF - I believe Musk has made fundamentally bad technical decisions that make it impossible to do what he claims..
    Doesn't really matter though.
    The technology works, and it will happen.
    There are substantial differences in approach and the actual technologies used (LIDAR or not? Etc.) by the various companies working on this.

    Waymo chose to restrict the problem to a very small area of a simple grid of streets, with remote backup drivers. They were laughed at for this approach, but their idea was to solve self driving for a small area, with growing amounts of actual autonomy.

    Tesla, like a number of others, tried to solve generalised self driving in one go.
    It's the 80% solution again.

    Waymo went for an 80% solution of using fully known areas, others went for 80% of driving everywhere.

    But fully autonomous driving is a 99.99% problem so Waymo has got a solution that works in confined areas, while the other companies still have 2 to 3/4 iterations to go until they have reached a point where it works everywhere.

    I still think LIDAR is going to be essential for autonomy which is why I think Musk has gone wrong...
    Also it's going to be really cheap pretty soon. A bit like GPS in mobile phones - which for a long time was an exotic tech.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
    This is the problem. At the moment, I sense she won't last.

    What she wants to do is spend 2 years developing lots of detailed policies and then roll them out and hope that wins an election.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,413

    ydoethur said:

    On topic, I wonder if Badenoch doesn’t realise a bagel isn’t a sandwich? That might explain her error.

    On topic I wonder if Badenoch truly is as politically dense as she appears. There are an endless list of things she could attack Labour over. Instead she’s attacking herself.
    This is the problem. At the moment, I sense she won't last.

    What she wants to do is spend 2 years developing lots of detailed policies and then roll them out and hope that wins an election.
    I don’t want to be overly cynical, but does having detailed policies win you an election?
  • The sad thing is that utter trivia like this probably will have a political effect.

    Trivia fills a vacuum created by an absence of seriousness.

    And you don't look like a serious person by saying you're too busy to have lunch.

    You look like a serious person by being on top of your job and producing results.

    It might well be a case of cos-playing Thatcher:

    1) Thatcher was a serious person
    2) Thatcher worked hard
    3) If I'm too busy to have lunch I'm working hard
    4) If I'm working hard then I'm a serious person
    5) If I'm a serious person then I'm like Thatcher
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668

    I am shocked to learn that Bashar Al-Assad has £55 million in a HSBC account.

    Who would have thought the bank who were the bankers for, inter alia, Hezbollah and the IRGC would be the bank of choice for Assad?

    I love the way HSBC rolls out the red carpet for all sorts of dodgy folk, I try and buy a few nice bottles of wine for Christmas the other day and I got flagged for fraudulent activity....
    Get yourself an AMEX they are the best for dealing with stuff.
    Except no-one accepts the bloody thing.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,423
    Another thing to remember about autonomous cars: a vast amount of money has already been spent on the technology. Well over a $100 billion. Whilst the tech will be transformative if it can be made to work as well as they promise, I find it hard to see that much profit coming back through car sales. A couple of companies may get the magic formula; a lot of others are going to lose their shirts.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Very, very tired tropes on here today about right-wingers being fascists and racists.

    We've heard that nonsense over 20 years.

    Wasn't true then and isn't true now.
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