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  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,811
    TOPPING said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Jesus how many times do I have to say this. Do you or your friends never watch 24 hrs in A&E?

    An absolutely golden rule for older blokes is never go up ladders, still less get onto a roof ffs.
    Yep. Did for George Bernard Shaw who died after falling off a ladder while pruning his apple tree. Mind, he was 94 at the time.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
  • Two Metropolitan police officers have been charged with sexually assaulting a woman while off duty.

    Jerome Beasley, 41, and Luke Robinson, 39, who work in the central west command unit, are to appear at Westminster magistrates court on Wednesday.

    They are each accused of four counts of sexual assault on the woman at what the force called “a venue in W1” on 21 April.

    The officers are suspended from duty.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/18/two-met-police-officers-charged-with-sexual-assault
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Long summer evenings overweight and too much Calvados gave him the idea he could fix the roof .... It's that sort of place
  • mwadams said:

    Nigelb said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    Morning all.

    Social media polarisation at its worst again this morning. Bluesky, which I'd thoughtful, literate and considered on topics like literature and photography full of posts on Biden's missile policy along the lines "Let's go ! Now let's go faster and harder."

    Meanwhile, TwitterX has thousands of posts along the lines that it's all the work of Soros and the regime of "Sodom and Gomorrha".

    The 3 main functions of Social Media

    1) to display your beliefs like a mating peacock.
    2) to find a group of others to approve your beliefs
    3) to find a group of those opposed to you, so you can hate them.
    No. I disagree. That may be your view, or a deliberate bit of hyperbole for a Monday breakfast time.

    I'm more with social media is what we collectively make of it, with a whole spectrum of variation.

    My local Sutton Living Memory Facebook Group (16k members) tells me oodles of recent local history.
    This morning Nottingham Cycle Chat (private, 1000 members) has told me about a new cafe in Shipley Country Park and which Nottingham Cycle Parking facilities have a history of scrotes stealing things.
    Cycling UK Canals and Rivers (50k members iirc) has told me other things.
    And the Omnipod 5 user group (4k and growing rapidly) is educating me about the wrinkles of my new capsule insulin pumps.
    The Leeanderthal Man's group is obviously full of Leeanderthal men.
    And my various family and friends networks keep me in touch. Too many adoring photos of one relative's Shit-Pooh dog, however.

    The issue with Twitter is systemic, with all pretence of being a neutral service provider abandoned. It's like swimming in a river where the water company is forever releasing raw sewage. There is an opportunity to make something better without the sewage, so I will support it with my small contribution. If Elon Musk wants me to be his plaything, he can go and fuck himself.
    Social media is a tool. Use it well, and it can be fun, engaging and informative. Use it badly, and it can be annoying, discontenting and misinformative. I like Facebook, because it allows me to keep track of far-flung family and friends and mutual interest groups (e.g. trains, pathetic triathletes...)

    But Twix is rapidly becoming a Torx screwdriver that has become mangled after an idiot has tried to use it on too many Phillips heads screws. It's still a tool, but pretty useless for anything other than a shank.
    Twitter has been completely unusable for a while now. I remember the good old days (2009-2014ish) when you would follow people with similar interests and spark up a conversation. You'd even meet some of them IRL at 'tweetups' and become friends.

    I exchanged information and met up with industry peers at a few IRL events, bonded with people over similar music tastes, shared random memes and funnies.

    Then the rot set in. And by rot, I mean politics. It corrodes everything it touches. Once twitter hit the tipping point of being mostly politics, slowly, all the people using it for other reasons left. Eventually it just became arguments and porn bots.

    Bluesky is useful because of its blocklist feature. Meaning you can have, say, a discussion on queer literature without some knuckle dragger turning the thread into a DID U KNO THER R ONLY 2 GENDARS? and turning the whole discussion into a flaming dumpster fire. Not everything has to be about politics, all of the time. Sometimes, you just wanna talk about books.

    Where Bluesky is bad is that it's 2014-Tumblr redux. A coterie of hard-left radicals who pile on to anyone who doesn't share their views who are the second cheek of the same arse of the MAGA types who make Twitter unusable. Bluesky has a "this is a space for leftists" culture and if you don't meet the purity test, you'll quickly end up blocked.

    It's worth pointing out that the second most blocked person on Bluesky at the moment is Brianna Wu, who you may remember as the trans woman who got brigaded on twitter a decade ago by far right morons in 'gamergate'. Now she's getting hassled by the far left for daring to suggest that their absolutist views are harming trans rights. She's also pro-Israel. Truly, the revolution eating its own children.

    I like PB because it enables me to compartmentalise political debate - I don't talk politics elsewhere online, or ever in real life. The problem is everyone wants to turn everywhere online into a political slanging match. Imagine everyone turning every forum everywhere into non-stop football talk. When you just want to share recipes for cake. Eventually the politics corrodes everything, making 'general purpose' public spaces utterly useless for anything other than politics, forcing people into highly moderated niche forums, subreddits, discord channels, etc, to discuss other topics.

    TL;DR. Even with strong moderation, social media is probably dead as a means of communicating *anything* except political hatred for the other side.
    Excellent post, but I think you go too far. For instance I am on PB (too much) and currently Netweather. The biggest issues on both sites? For PB its the consumption of exotic yellow fruit on artisanal Italian flat bread on the other its peoples constant imbyism about whether it will snow or nor.

    Like the old adage - if you meet one arsehole in your day, bad luck, you met an arsehole. If you meet lots of arseholes, then maybe its you? I don't see the issues with twitter that others do, and Facebook etc seems fine.
    Facebook has been a dead platform since 2016 - around the time of the Presidential Election. Politics drove most people off the site, and it's never recovered. I have a few hundred 'friends' on there and not a single one posts with any kind of regularity any more. The occasional round robin type 'look at my lovely child's first day in school' post. I check it maybe once every couple of weeks. It's a generational thing, I think. I think only people 60+ use it.

    The problem with Twitter is it's impossible to have a civil conversation about anything as a) all the people who don't want to argue politics left long ago and b) all the people who do want to argue politics think because it's an open forum, they can just wander in and start bombarding you with their pet obsessions. Effectively derailing what could have otherwise been interesting discussions. Imagine Leon brigading this forum with AI posts constantly when you're trying to talk about politics. That's what Twitter has become, but in reverse. Bluesky is going the same way, but with a more leftist bent.

    I stand by my idea that 'open' social media is dead and political argument drives out all others until the platform is dead. An enshittification cycle, sort of like the 4channification cycle, where something starts out cool and underground, develops a wider userbase, then the nazis and pornbots move in, everyone else moves out, until there's only nazis and pornbots left.
    You're assuming there won't be some form of counterrevolution.
    There's clearly a market for an unshittified platform. So the chances are that one will, in time, evolve.
    One interesting feature of people talking about the "echo chamber" of social media is that it all comes from a political perspective. Ok, that's understandable - both here and in the media - because that's the angle from which it is approached in this context.

    But my socials are an overlapping set of interests: guitars, painting little toy soldiers, classic TV, theatre, books, archaeology, business, tech, and some news/politics. The "generalist" ones (Twitter as was, Bluesky as of the last month or so) is a curated feed of all those overlapping interests. I also have a few more focused places, like PB and a couple of Discords.

    Aggressively muting and blocking people who were not contributing positively to my happiness on any of those channels makes them an "echo chamber" I guess. But I don't want my every interaction to be an argument. Mostly I just want to be able to chat about things I enjoy.

    Twitter reached the point where I couldn't paddle against that tide any more.
    For social media to work, heck for any community of communication to work, you need a pretty subtle balance of serving the interests of those speaking and those listening. At their best, they work because everyone recognises that they are both speakers and listeners and that the two roles are co-dependent. There's no point listening if nobody is saying anything and there's no point speaking if nobody wants to listen.

    Which is I reckon where Musk stuffed up with his making of Twitter in his own image. You can have minimal censorship, almost absolute freedom of speech. But if everyone behaves like that, the resulting cacophany just isn't pleasant to engage with. Made worse once you intentionally amplify the voices of those who go out of their way to have their voices amplified.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    edited November 18

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    The logistics of having two people on a domestic ladder are tricky though. I do prefer to go solo :wink:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
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    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Never use even vaguely dangerous tools of any kind when you are on your own.
  • TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    At least one of the high window falls has got to be something other than murder, sure.
    5% chance ?
    If it's a 5% probability, does that the victims outliers?
    Outflyers, Shirly?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881
    edited November 18
    TOPPING said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Jesus how many times do I have to say this. Do you or your friends never watch 24 hrs in A&E?

    An absolutely golden rule for older blokes is never go up ladders, still less get onto a roof ffs.
    Bungalows, Scottish Windows, and scaffold towers, are cool.
  • Ouch....

    New Rule: Tough Love Dems | Real Time with Bill Maher
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtCK-dMb-F8
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Selebian said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    The logistics of having two people on a domestic ladder are tricky though. I do prefer to go solo :wink:
    You are supposed to have someone at the foot of the ladder to steady it. The number of people who don’t know that….
  • eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
    It's remarkable how they're all on first name terms with my boss, spoke to him last week and have been besties with him for the past 20.
  • Selebian said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    The logistics of having two people on a domestic ladder are tricky though. I do prefer to go solo :wink:
    You are supposed to have someone at the foot of the ladder to steady it. The number of people who don’t know that….
    ... and to stop people walking or riding into the ladder while you are perched at the top.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881
    edited November 18

    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Unsurprisingly, I'm supremely (over)confident around ladders, even though the fire service are ultra risk averse and have regulations coming out of their arse about how, when, how many people it takes and where to pitch and how many anchor points you should be clipped to.
    Having someone foot a ladder helps a little, but you can't beat lashing the head of a ladder to whatever you're climbing.
    Yesterday, I skipped up the beams of our carport and shimmied across the roof of our new house to clear out the gutters.
    I've done some crazy shit on ladders, but my luck has always held out.
    I perhaps should redoy my personal risk assessments!
    As I live alone I occasionally do use ladders to get to (never work from) things, but always have a neighbour to check in later who knows what I am doing - and never on my own above 1st floor level (eg as mentioned carport roof). And the obvious things like shoes with a decent heel so flat soles don't slip.

    For higher places, I have a portable scaff tower.

    And all my equipment is at least branded semi-pro level (some places, eg Screwfix, often own brand high quality things) - with just a couple of well built Aldi sets of steps.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    It's a shame we're in a ~ 4 - 5% interest rate enviroment as Michelle Obama is once again 4th favourite for POTUS 2028.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,443

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

    Also with loads of money you can always deploy enough PR spin to improve your reputation, ask Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610
    edited November 18

    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Unsurprisingly, I'm supremely (over)confident around ladders, even though the fire service are ultra risk averse and have regulations coming out of their arse about how, when, how many people it takes and where to pitch and how many anchor points you should be clipped to.
    Having someone foot a ladder helps a little, but you can't beat lashing the head of a ladder to whatever you're climbing.
    Yesterday, I skipped up the beams of our carport and shimmied across the roof of our new house to clear out the gutters.
    I've done some crazy shit on ladders, but my luck has always held out.
    I perhaps should redoy my personal risk assessments!
    Good morning

    When I was much younger I had no problem with ladders until one day I was at the top of the ladder when it slipped down the wall of the house with me in situ

    I landed on our patio on top of the ladder seriously winded and with rung marks appearing on my legs, whilst my wife was laughing in the garden thinking I was faking it

    From that day on I became very safety conscious when using a ladder, but since my recent health issues I am banned from going up any ladder, even a stepladder, unless my wife is present, and she is as fierce on this subject as any compliance officer !!!!!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,521

    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Unsurprisingly, I'm supremely (over)confident around ladders, even though the fire service are ultra risk averse and have regulations coming out of their arse about how, when, how many people it takes and where to pitch and how many anchor points you should be clipped to.
    Having someone foot a ladder helps a little, but you can't beat lashing the head of a ladder to whatever you're climbing.
    Yesterday, I skipped up the beams of our carport and shimmied across the roof of our new house to clear out the gutters.
    I've done some crazy shit on ladders, but my luck has always held out.
    I perhaps should redoy my personal risk assessments!
    Sad but true story. I used to work on the Gyda platform in Norway. The senior safety officer on the rig went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    Since the world turns and work continues, we got a new senior safety officer. Actually a friend of the old one. 9 months later he went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    In spite of the fact that both men were in charge of all aspects of safety on the platform - and platform safety is amazingly strict. No working at heights without a buddy and always on a fall arrestor over 10 feet off the ground (they won't work at less than that). And with the added warning of having his friend die less than a year previously in exacttly the same manner.
    It's an example of the cobbler being the worst-shod man in the town.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    TOPPING said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Jesus how many times do I have to say this. Do you or your friends never watch 24 hrs in A&E?

    An absolutely golden rule for older blokes is never go up ladders, still less get onto a roof ffs.
    Rod Hull and Emu have entered the chat
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881
    edited November 18
    The safety stuff is fairly easy in concept, but needs careful thought. Occams razor and other people's views always helps.

    Over at Buildhub we've been debating a brilliant friend who built his passive house up in Lancs, and has a condition which progressively affects his hands (loss of grip), and is doing parts of his garden.

    He asked the wonderful question about whether he should put a ramp next to the steps he was planning for a path in his garden, for mobility etc.

    A rapid reply that came back was: "If there's space for a properly shallow ramp, why are you bothering with steps?" :smile: .

    Then we got on to things about recovery if you fall over when alone (need to be able to pull yourself up - stuck outside in winter in Lancs could kill you), textured surfaces, how to do grab handles unintrusively (this guy would not have enough grip to pull himself up, so needs "elbow rests" or a loop of rope he can put round his arm, either attached to a handrail or on the other end of a portable hook to put over the rail - which hook he carries in his manbag), and all the rest.
  • Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Unsurprisingly, I'm supremely (over)confident around ladders, even though the fire service are ultra risk averse and have regulations coming out of their arse about how, when, how many people it takes and where to pitch and how many anchor points you should be clipped to.
    Having someone foot a ladder helps a little, but you can't beat lashing the head of a ladder to whatever you're climbing.
    Yesterday, I skipped up the beams of our carport and shimmied across the roof of our new house to clear out the gutters.
    I've done some crazy shit on ladders, but my luck has always held out.
    I perhaps should redoy my personal risk assessments!
    Sad but true story. I used to work on the Gyda platform in Norway. The senior safety officer on the rig went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    Since the world turns and work continues, we got a new senior safety officer. Actually a friend of the old one. 9 months later he went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    In spite of the fact that both men were in charge of all aspects of safety on the platform - and platform safety is amazingly strict. No working at heights without a buddy and always on a fall arrestor over 10 feet off the ground (they won't work at less than that). And with the added warning of having his friend die less than a year previously in exacttly the same manner.
    I understand that. I was full Rope Acess and Rescue trained whilst in the job, but at home my over confidence and lack of safety gear has got the better of my judgement too many times.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited November 18
    'With Keir Starmer hoping to reset UK-China relations at the G20 summit this week, 63% of Britons currently see China as either an unfriendly nation or a threatening one

    % saying China is generally...
    A friend and ally: 3%
    A friendly rival: 14%
    Unfriendly: 33%
    A hostile threat: 30%'

    Only Russia is seen as a more hostile threat to the UK while Australia, New Zealand and Canada are seen as the UK's closest friends and allies
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1858462115679687045
  • TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

    Yup, who wouldn't take that sort of money. He's always going to be known as the bloke that only fights old fellas, so may as well milk it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881
    Don;t tell Elon Musk:

    A West London man has been sentenced to five years in prison for encouraging violent attacks in response to government policies during the Covid-19 pandemic.
    Patrick Ruane, 55, was sentenced at the Old Bailey on 11 November, following his conviction on two counts of encouragement of terrorism under the Terrorism Act 2006. He will serve an additional year on licence after his release.

    Ruane’s extremist activity was uncovered by the Metropolitan Police’s Counter Terrorism Command during an investigation that began in 2021. Officers linked him to a series of inflammatory social media posts where he encouraged violence against individuals associated with the government’s pandemic response.

    Among his targets were pharmaceutical company staff, MPs, police, vaccine laboratories, and 5G infrastructure.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/london-man-jailed-for-encouraging-attacks-during-pandemic/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    kyf_100 said:

    ...Brianna Wu, who you may remember as the trans woman who got brigaded on twitter a decade ago by far right morons in 'gamergate'. Now she's getting hassled by the far left for daring to suggest that their absolutist views are harming trans rights...

    A discussion on trans rights presupposes that they are defined. Ms. Wu's stance on this is that men cannot become women unless they are as pretty as she. A very cynical part of me thinks she is right. Wu's on a Triggernometry which I watch later: I wonder what pronouns the hosts will use... :)

  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,316
    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Unsurprisingly, I'm supremely (over)confident around ladders, even though the fire service are ultra risk averse and have regulations coming out of their arse about how, when, how many people it takes and where to pitch and how many anchor points you should be clipped to.
    Having someone foot a ladder helps a little, but you can't beat lashing the head of a ladder to whatever you're climbing.
    Yesterday, I skipped up the beams of our carport and shimmied across the roof of our new house to clear out the gutters.
    I've done some crazy shit on ladders, but my luck has always held out.
    I perhaps should redoy my personal risk assessments!
    Sad but true story. I used to work on the Gyda platform in Norway. The senior safety officer on the rig went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    Since the world turns and work continues, we got a new senior safety officer. Actually a friend of the old one. 9 months later he went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    In spite of the fact that both men were in charge of all aspects of safety on the platform - and platform safety is amazingly strict. No working at heights without a buddy and always on a fall arrestor over 10 feet off the ground (they won't work at less than that). And with the added warning of having his friend die less than a year previously in exacttly the same manner.
    It's an example of the cobbler being the worst-shod man in the town.
    This discussion has finally resolved me into buying a telescopic window washing kit. Climbing a ladder every few months has always been my least favourite chore but I thought I was just being a wimp. Those who climb ladders several times a day make it look easy, and unwittingly do a disservice to everyone else.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,521

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

    Yup, who wouldn't take that sort of money. He's always going to be known as the bloke that only fights old fellas, so may as well milk it.
    In his prime, Tyson was simply terrifying. He said, (probably truthfully), that he went into the ring intending to kill his opponents. One of them remarked that every time Tyson hit him, he'd give a little cry of pleasure.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,125
    edited November 18
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    If we've just whacked up the cost of hiring people as well as increasing regulations and boosting the minimum wage, it would be amazing if we didn't see significantly higher unemployment.

    Labour are giving us Italian and French-style labour costs, so we'll probably see Italian and French levels of unemployment, especially amongst the young, before too long.

    Never was a party more inappropriately named.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934
    viewcode said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Jesus how many times do I have to say this. Do you or your friends never watch 24 hrs in A&E?

    An absolutely golden rule for older blokes is never go up ladders, still less get onto a roof ffs.
    Rod Hull and Emu have entered the chat
    Please tell me he didn't take Emu on the roof with him?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,125
    HYUFD said:

    'With Keir Starmer hoping to reset UK-China relations at the G20 summit this week, 63% of Britons currently see China as either an unfriendly nation or a threatening one

    % saying China is generally...
    A friend and ally: 3%
    A friendly rival: 14%
    Unfriendly: 33%
    A hostile threat: 30%'

    Only Russia is seen as a more hostile threat to the UK while Australia, New Zealand and Canada are seen as the UK's closest friends and allies
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1858462115679687045

    I'm always fascinated by the 3% or so you get in each poll who give the ridiculous answer.

    Are they:

    - completely uninformed
    - mentally ill
    - taking the piss

    or a mix of the above?

    Either way, worrying that they have as many votes each as the sensible 63%, as questions aren't always this clear-cut.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972

    Ouch....

    New Rule: Tough Love Dems | Real Time with Bill Maher
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtCK-dMb-F8

    As many of the Dems are doubling down on the wokery, some of the more centrist types are being much more honest about what just happened. Maher is defiantly in the latter category.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    viewcode said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Jesus how many times do I have to say this. Do you or your friends never watch 24 hrs in A&E?

    An absolutely golden rule for older blokes is never go up ladders, still less get onto a roof ffs.
    Rod Hull and Emu have entered the chat
    Please tell me he didn't take Emu on the roof with him?
    https://news.sky.com/story/gyles-brandreth-blames-himself-for-rod-hulls-death-i-killed-a-man-the-emu-man-13128089
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    'With Keir Starmer hoping to reset UK-China relations at the G20 summit this week, 63% of Britons currently see China as either an unfriendly nation or a threatening one

    % saying China is generally...
    A friend and ally: 3%
    A friendly rival: 14%
    Unfriendly: 33%
    A hostile threat: 30%'

    Only Russia is seen as a more hostile threat to the UK while Australia, New Zealand and Canada are seen as the UK's closest friends and allies
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1858462115679687045

    I'm always fascinated by the 3% or so you get in each poll who give the ridiculous answer.

    Are they:

    - completely uninformed
    - mentally ill
    - taking the piss

    or a mix of the above?

    Either way, worrying that they have as many votes each as the sensible 63%, as questions aren't always this clear-cut.
    Just clicking through the questions as quickly as possible without really reading them to ring up the credit on their account?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,521
    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    'With Keir Starmer hoping to reset UK-China relations at the G20 summit this week, 63% of Britons currently see China as either an unfriendly nation or a threatening one

    % saying China is generally...
    A friend and ally: 3%
    A friendly rival: 14%
    Unfriendly: 33%
    A hostile threat: 30%'

    Only Russia is seen as a more hostile threat to the UK while Australia, New Zealand and Canada are seen as the UK's closest friends and allies
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1858462115679687045

    I'm always fascinated by the 3% or so you get in each poll who give the ridiculous answer.

    Are they:

    - completely uninformed
    - mentally ill
    - taking the piss

    or a mix of the above?

    Either way, worrying that they have as many votes each as the sensible 63%, as questions aren't always this clear-cut.
    It's the same 3% who say they believe in vampires.

    They dwell among us.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,720
    edited November 18

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Rule one of anything vaguely hazardous. Don’t do it alone. This includes ladders.

    Especially ladders.
    Never ever go up a ladder if you’re on your own, unless you’re escaping a fire.

    Nothing else is so important it can’t wait for someone else to be around.
    Unsurprisingly, I'm supremely (over)confident around ladders, even though the fire service are ultra risk averse and have regulations coming out of their arse about how, when, how many people it takes and where to pitch and how many anchor points you should be clipped to.
    Having someone foot a ladder helps a little, but you can't beat lashing the head of a ladder to whatever you're climbing.
    Yesterday, I skipped up the beams of our carport and shimmied across the roof of our new house to clear out the gutters.
    I've done some crazy shit on ladders, but my luck has always held out.
    I perhaps should redoy my personal risk assessments!
    Sad but true story. I used to work on the Gyda platform in Norway. The senior safety officer on the rig went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    Since the world turns and work continues, we got a new senior safety officer. Actually a friend of the old one. 9 months later he went home, climbed on his roof to fix something, fell off and died.

    In spite of the fact that both men were in charge of all aspects of safety on the platform - and platform safety is amazingly strict. No working at heights without a buddy and always on a fall arrestor over 10 feet off the ground (they won't work at less than that). And with the added warning of having his friend die less than a year previously in exacttly the same manner.
    It's an example of the cobbler being the worst-shod man in the town.
    This discussion has finally resolved me into buying a telescopic window washing kit. Climbing a ladder every few months has always been my least favourite chore but I thought I was just being a wimp. Those who climb ladders several times a day make it look easy, and unwittingly do a disservice to everyone else.
    Tall ladders scare me except when fixed to a mountain.

    Climb a metal ladder on a Via Ferrata? Fine. Ropes are for wimps.

    Wooden ladder on a building? No chance, not going above the ground floor.

    Fortunately I live in a bungalow with a shallow roof pitch and rough tiles, so provided you stay above a valley or a carport, there's no problem.

    My father in law, though, he's a hazard, I think he was 90 before we persuaded him to stop climbing ladders to clean out the guttering. Not a bungalow, either.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    Sean_F said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    'With Keir Starmer hoping to reset UK-China relations at the G20 summit this week, 63% of Britons currently see China as either an unfriendly nation or a threatening one

    % saying China is generally...
    A friend and ally: 3%
    A friendly rival: 14%
    Unfriendly: 33%
    A hostile threat: 30%'

    Only Russia is seen as a more hostile threat to the UK while Australia, New Zealand and Canada are seen as the UK's closest friends and allies
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1858462115679687045

    I'm always fascinated by the 3% or so you get in each poll who give the ridiculous answer.

    Are they:

    - completely uninformed
    - mentally ill
    - taking the piss

    or a mix of the above?

    Either way, worrying that they have as many votes each as the sensible 63%, as questions aren't always this clear-cut.
    It's the same 3% who say they believe in vampires.

    They dwell among us.
    I remember quite a funny Dave Gorman episode where he looked at YouGov panel. It had some crackers e.g. fans of Little Mix are far more right wing, than fans of Karl Marx are left wing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wa9SpmLJUE
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    'What Good Is an Election Rigger If They Can't Rig the Rigging?' - Michael Moore
    https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/what-good-is-an-election-rigger-if
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881
    Incident causes can seem weird.

    I have a relative who's heel is now fuller of metal than Barry Sheen's Ghost's leg, because she tripped on things the kids had left on the bottom 3 steps of the staircase "waiting to go upstairs", slid down the bottom 3 steps, stopped on one heel bashing the hall floor, and it shattered the bones.

    Myself I managed to do a spiral fracture of my Beckham-bone (metatarsal), tripping up two shallow steps into a room, and stamping down on my foot to keep myself upright.

    And mum once missed the garden with a garden fork, and put it through her foot instead.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Who else would be better?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    viewcode said:

    kyf_100 said:

    ...Brianna Wu, who you may remember as the trans woman who got brigaded on twitter a decade ago by far right morons in 'gamergate'. Now she's getting hassled by the far left for daring to suggest that their absolutist views are harming trans rights...

    A discussion on trans rights presupposes that they are defined. Ms. Wu's stance on this is that men cannot become women unless they are as pretty as she. A very cynical part of me thinks she is right. Wu's on a Triggernometry which I watch later: I wonder what pronouns the hosts will use... :)

    A toxic debate that I will do my best to steer well clear of! (here and on other platforms).

    I only bring it up here to note that someone who was once famous for being brigaded by right wing loons is now getting the same treatment from far left ones. No comment at all on the actual debate, though I think you are (cynically) right as well. But this has been a fact of life since time immemorial in all walks of life -- if you're not pretty enough, you can't be part of our club.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Who else would be better?
    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    'With Keir Starmer hoping to reset UK-China relations at the G20 summit this week, 63% of Britons currently see China as either an unfriendly nation or a threatening one

    % saying China is generally...
    A friend and ally: 3%
    A friendly rival: 14%
    Unfriendly: 33%
    A hostile threat: 30%'

    Only Russia is seen as a more hostile threat to the UK while Australia, New Zealand and Canada are seen as the UK's closest friends and allies
    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1858462115679687045

    I'm always fascinated by the 3% or so you get in each poll who give the ridiculous answer.

    Are they:

    - completely uninformed
    - mentally ill
    - taking the piss

    or a mix of the above?

    Either way, worrying that they have as many votes each as the sensible 63%, as questions aren't always this clear-cut.
    It tells you Brits have their heads screwed on when it comes to foreign policy.

    Which is why I think our politicians are unnecessarily wet lettuces about increasing defence spending; i think our electorate would understand.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    HYUFD said:

    'What Good Is an Election Rigger If They Can't Rig the Rigging?' - Michael Moore
    https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/what-good-is-an-election-rigger-if

    "You can't get better than a Kwik-Fit fitter"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A8H-1SA9sg
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
    It's remarkable how they're all on first name terms with my boss, spoke to him last week and have been besties with him for the past 20.
    I find CVgate baffling.

    I know I’m up the more cautious end of the spectrum – but I wouldn’t embellish my own CV even though I know that what I say on my CV isn’t going to get out beyond the bounds of the HR department of whatever role I apply for. I’m not in a particularly high profile role. Few people will care.
    But quite a lot of people are bound to see what the CoE’s claimed job history is, including – if it’s not entirely true – people who might tell other people it’s a tad embellished.
    So I’m a tad sceptical, only because it seems so implausible that you would.
    Although this is the first CoE we’ve had who has changed her hair colour while in office. (Which I know she is entirely free to do, but makes me query her seriousness.)
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,452
    edited November 18
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    I think the YouTube clips of Tyson training for the fight flattered him. Sure, if he'd connected a few combinations in the first couple of rounds, I think Paul would have been in trouble, but after round 3, it was never in doubt.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    Do you think it was a genuine fight inasmuch as you describe.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    I think the YouTube clips of Tyson training for the fight flattered him. Sure, if he'd connected a few combinations in the first couple of rounds, I think Paul would have been in trouble, but after round 3, it was never in doubt.
    The difference is of course the pads were right in front of him and don't move.....Paul sensibly kept well out of reach of Tyson and made him hobble around the ring after him.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    edited November 18

    viewcode said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimS said:

    Roger said:

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    I hope it's not in Bellou Calvados. Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of my good friend and cameraman Michel Gemmell who fell off the roof of his house there 14 years ago. Here's one of his commercials. One of my favourites and a fitting tribute.....

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=millerlite.+he+aint+heavy+hes+my+brother#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:48d1f72d,vid:TvJyZ9fm73M,st:0
    It's not, but gosh this sort of thing does seem to happen a lot. Your poor friend. A family friend of ours had a house in Calvados and broke (I think) his pelvis falling off a ladder. Was alone and stuck on the ground for hours before he managed to shout to a passer by on the road.
    Jesus how many times do I have to say this. Do you or your friends never watch 24 hrs in A&E?

    An absolutely golden rule for older blokes is never go up ladders, still less get onto a roof ffs.
    Rod Hull and Emu have entered the chat
    Please tell me he didn't take Emu on the roof with him?
    Never work at height with one hand stuffed up a puppet :cry:
  • Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
    It's remarkable how they're all on first name terms with my boss, spoke to him last week and have been besties with him for the past 20.
    I find CVgate baffling.

    I know I’m up the more cautious end of the spectrum – but I wouldn’t embellish my own CV even though I know that what I say on my CV isn’t going to get out beyond the bounds of the HR department of whatever role I apply for. I’m not in a particularly high profile role. Few people will care.
    But quite a lot of people are bound to see what the CoE’s claimed job history is, including – if it’s not entirely true – people who might tell other people it’s a tad embellished.
    So I’m a tad sceptical, only because it seems so implausible that you would.
    Although this is the first CoE we’ve had who has changed her hair colour while in office. (Which I know she is entirely free to do, but makes me query her seriousness.)
    The sad thing now is that with AI, a huge proportion of CVs get automatically read by machine and so it encourages even more embellishment as it is just looking to tick off certain criteria from a list.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,495

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

    Yup, who wouldn't take that sort of money. He's always going to be known as the bloke that only fights old fellas, so may as well milk it.
    still good to boast down the pub that you whipped Mike Tyson
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
    It's remarkable how they're all on first name terms with my boss, spoke to him last week and have been besties with him for the past 20.
    I find CVgate baffling.

    I know I’m up the more cautious end of the spectrum – but I wouldn’t embellish my own CV even though I know that what I say on my CV isn’t going to get out beyond the bounds of the HR department of whatever role I apply for. I’m not in a particularly high profile role. Few people will care.
    But quite a lot of people are bound to see what the CoE’s claimed job history is, including – if it’s not entirely true – people who might tell other people it’s a tad embellished.
    So I’m a tad sceptical, only because it seems so implausible that you would.
    Although this is the first CoE we’ve had who has changed her hair colour while in office. (Which I know she is entirely free to do, but makes me query her seriousness.)
    The sad thing now is that with AI, a huge proportion of CVs get automatically read by machine and so it encourages even more embellishment as it is just looking to tick off certain criteria from a list.
    She was assistant to the regional manager.
  • MattW said:

    Incident causes can seem weird.

    I have a relative who's heel is now fuller of metal than Barry Sheen's Ghost's leg, because she tripped on things the kids had left on the bottom 3 steps of the staircase "waiting to go upstairs", slid down the bottom 3 steps, stopped on one heel bashing the hall floor, and it shattered the bones.

    Myself I managed to do a spiral fracture of my Beckham-bone (metatarsal), tripping up two shallow steps into a room, and stamping down on my foot to keep myself upright.

    And mum once missed the garden with a garden fork, and put it through her foot instead.

    I caused a lost time accident at work whilst changing the time on a small battery operated wall clock. I reached up on tiptoes to flip it up off its hook and catch it. Instead, it rolled down my arm and smashed me in the mouth. I ended up looking like I'd gone a round with the real Iron Mike Tyson.
    Ended up having a tooth capped, a stitch in my gum and a right royal bollocking.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    Do you think it was a genuine fight inasmuch as you describe.
    I don't know. Tyson certainly didn't throw very many punches, which I guess could lead some to suspect that it wasn't on the up and up, but he just looked so old, so broken, he couldn't walk properly (and I don't think any of that was faked as it was consistent throughout) and Paul just ensured at all times he was out of range.

    If you were going to fake it WWE style, you would have thought you would have Tyson get a few punches in that weren't full force, some suggestion that either could be winning at various points in the fight etc.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,495
    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
    It's remarkable how they're all on first name terms with my boss, spoke to him last week and have been besties with him for the past 20.
    I find CVgate baffling.

    I know I’m up the more cautious end of the spectrum – but I wouldn’t embellish my own CV even though I know that what I say on my CV isn’t going to get out beyond the bounds of the HR department of whatever role I apply for. I’m not in a particularly high profile role. Few people will care.
    But quite a lot of people are bound to see what the CoE’s claimed job history is, including – if it’s not entirely true – people who might tell other people it’s a tad embellished.
    So I’m a tad sceptical, only because it seems so implausible that you would.
    Although this is the first CoE we’ve had who has changed her hair colour while in office. (Which I know she is entirely free to do, but makes me query her seriousness.)
    Bet most of these clowns who hav enever had real jobs have told porkies on their CV's. As you say when it gets to a certain level more people see or people who rememeber you are likely to comment. Hoist by her own petard.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Then again twitter is great for this kind of thing.

    https://x.com/Towler/status/1858470421206622449?t=P2c3LFUfXDTYU83wKyG2gw&s=19
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    Do you think it was a genuine fight inasmuch as you describe.
    It's hard to not see it as just a payday for everyone involved. It didn't look like a serious boxing match to my untrained eye.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    edited November 18

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    I think the YouTube clips of Tyson training for the fight flattered him. Sure, if he'd connected a few combinations in the first couple of rounds, I think Paul would have been in trouble, but after round 3, it was never in doubt.
    The difference is of course the pads were right in front of him and don't move.....Paul sensibly kept well out of reach of Tyson and made him hobble around the ring after him.
    Tyson's body looked a million times better than his cardio which was very poor even for a 58 year old fighter I thought. Had he done any 5-6 mile runs in his training ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    Sean_F said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

    Yup, who wouldn't take that sort of money. He's always going to be known as the bloke that only fights old fellas, so may as well milk it.
    In his prime, Tyson was simply terrifying. He said, (probably truthfully), that he went into the ring intending to kill his opponents. One of them remarked that every time Tyson hit him, he'd give a little cry of pleasure.
    Mike Tyson v Marvis Frazier. All 25 seconds of it, from opening bell to an unconscious opponent. Absolutely terrifying in his prime.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCVwsIokEw&t=160
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    It's still no.1 watched according to the site.
  • Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    All sorts of grey areas around whether a TV Licence was required as well!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    I think the YouTube clips of Tyson training for the fight flattered him. Sure, if he'd connected a few combinations in the first couple of rounds, I think Paul would have been in trouble, but after round 3, it was never in doubt.
    The difference is of course the pads were right in front of him and don't move.....Paul sensibly kept well out of reach of Tyson and made him hobble around the ring after him.
    Tyson's body looked a million times better than his cardio which was very poor even for a 58 year old man I thought. Had he done any 5-6 mile runs in his training ?
    He has regularly been seen using a wheelchair and a stick over recent years (well before any of this fight nonsense).
  • Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Given how optimistic your average recruitment consultant is I've noticed a very marked change in tone over the past fortnight...
    No idea why.
    It's remarkable how they're all on first name terms with my boss, spoke to him last week and have been besties with him for the past 20.
    I find CVgate baffling.

    I know I’m up the more cautious end of the spectrum – but I wouldn’t embellish my own CV even though I know that what I say on my CV isn’t going to get out beyond the bounds of the HR department of whatever role I apply for. I’m not in a particularly high profile role. Few people will care.
    But quite a lot of people are bound to see what the CoE’s claimed job history is, including – if it’s not entirely true – people who might tell other people it’s a tad embellished.
    So I’m a tad sceptical, only because it seems so implausible that you would.
    Although this is the first CoE we’ve had who has changed her hair colour while in office. (Which I know she is entirely free to do, but makes me query her seriousness.)
    Not the first. In his 10 years as Chancellor, Gordon Brown slowly dyed his jet black hair a silvery grey.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    The biggest pity about the Paul vs Tyson event, it has been put down as a shit show. The two ladies in the fight before it, that was a proper proper fight. Two of the best female boxers absolutely knocked seven bells out of one another. You don't want to be nicking their taxi on a Friday night.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,032

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Who else would be better?
    I'm not sure but the fake economist is going to bankrupt the nation. I really don't like the fact that she's cultivated this idea that she's some industry titan economist having worked in both the public and private sector but it turns out she was a junior doing photocopies and checking over reports at the BoE and managed a customer complaints team at Halifax retail.

    We have an exaggerator in charge of the treasury at best or someone who believes her capability is well beyond the reality at worst, the fact that she's spoken in detail previously about her "economist" background at Halifax makes me think it's the latter and she really believes she did what she says. That's a really dangerous combination and it shows, I can't think of any chancellor who would push through an additional £150bn in borrowing and gamble on such a huge fiscal stimulus while accepting it would result in less growth than without the additional borrowing. It's very basic macroeconomics, more input should result in more output, that it isn't means her ideas have a hugely negative multiplier. It's as if she read the first half of a Krugman paper about rapidly increasing spending to generate demand but then didn't bother with the second half which says that the aggregate demand should drive overall higher growth than spending increase.

    So on balance I'd take anyone over Rachel Reeves. Even with the lack of talent on the Labour front bench, I'd rather someone who didn't have a frankly dangerous view of his/her own competence and experience.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    All sorts of grey areas around whether a TV Licence was required as well!
    What's the grey area around a TV license ? It was definitely a live broadcast.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,471
    Talk of ladders brings me to this.
    Health and Safety my arse!

    https://youtu.be/w3ma9iYx4rg?si=MAqsYNgu9uPZfLoQ
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    They actually did, with Joe Rogan’s special and the Tom Brady Roast both streamed live earlier this year. But this fight was an order of magnitude bigger, attracting a worldwide live audience, and they couldn’t scale the infrastructure. The suggestion is that 60m devices tried to watch it.

    Their next big event will likely be okay, Amazon, Twitter, Apple, and F1TV, all had a nightmare when they first started doing live events, as it’s a different CDN technology from streaming previously recorded and uploaded files - but they all fixed it pretty quickly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    They actually did, with Joe Rogan’s special and the Tom Brady Roast both streamed live earlier this year. But this fight was an order of magnitude bigger, attracting a worldwide live audience, and they couldn’t scale the infrastructure. The suggestion is that 60m devices tried to watch it.

    Their next big event will likely be okay, Amazon, Twitter, Apple, and F1TV, all had a nightmare when they first started doing live events, as it’s a different CDN technology from streaming previously recorded and uploaded files - but they all fixed it pretty quickly.
    Netflix have the NFL on Christmas Day. with Beyonce doing a concert at half time. They better have their streaming tech sorted for that.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,554
    malcolmg said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    I’d take $40 million vs that reputation

    Yup, who wouldn't take that sort of money. He's always going to be known as the bloke that only fights old fellas, so may as well milk it.
    still good to boast down the pub that you whipped Mike Tyson
    Yes, the old comment to a friend who looks the worse for wear that “you look like you’ve just done ten rounds with Mike Tyson” no longer seems that bad, a little sweaty maybe and a lot richer definitely.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    dixiedean said:

    Talk of ladders brings me to this.
    Health and Safety my arse!

    https://youtu.be/w3ma9iYx4rg?si=MAqsYNgu9uPZfLoQ

    Fred Dibnah was as very different era...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    edited November 18

    The biggest pity about the Paul vs Tyson event, it has been put down as a shit show. The two ladies in the fight before it, that was a proper proper fight. Two of the best female boxers absolutely knocked seven bells out of one another. You don't want to be nicking their taxi on a Friday night.

    That was a proper fight, although I’m still not sure I like watching two women beating each other up! They were both seriously cut up and bruised at the end.

    The judges had a shocker though, everyone else watching thought it would go the other way.
  • Sandpit said:

    The biggest pity about the Paul vs Tyson event, it has been put down as a shit show. The two ladies in the fight before it, that was a proper proper fight. Two of the best female boxers absolutely knocked seven bells out of one another. You don't want to be nicking their taxi on a Friday night.

    That was a proper fight, although I’m still not sure I like watching two women beating each other up! They were both seriously cut up and bruised at the end.
    Well at least they weren't fighting a man*.....like the Olympics.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,452
    edited November 18
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    All sorts of grey areas around whether a TV Licence was required as well!
    What's the grey area around a TV license ? It was definitely a live broadcast.
    Agreed, but not available via another "mainstream" broadcaster. Netflix don't do scheduled regular broadcasts and can't be considered a TV broadcaster
    The BlackBelt Barrister on YouTube has done loads around this sort of stuff.
    On balance, I'd say a licence was marginal.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,585
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1858433696770273424

    These alleged false CV claims by Rachel Reeves are serious. Unless she can produce a good explanation, she should resign as Chancellor & MP - or be sacked. I know that won't happen, but brushing the allegations aside will only encourage others to make false claims.

    CVgate provides a good excuse for Starmer to replace Reeves as Chancellor but I doubt anyone really cares except for opportunistic partisans.
    He should take it because she's useless. £150bn more in borrowing and a lowering of the growth forecast. I don't think there's ever been such a large fiscal stimulus with a negative economic multiplier.
    Who else would be better?
    I'm not sure but the fake economist is going to bankrupt the nation. I really don't like the fact that she's cultivated this idea that she's some industry titan economist having worked in both the public and private sector but it turns out she was a junior doing photocopies and checking over reports at the BoE and managed a customer complaints team at Halifax retail.

    We have an exaggerator in charge of the treasury at best or someone who believes her capability is well beyond the reality at worst, the fact that she's spoken in detail previously about her "economist" background at Halifax makes me think it's the latter and she really believes she did what she says. That's a really dangerous combination and it shows, I can't think of any chancellor who would push through an additional £150bn in borrowing and gamble on such a huge fiscal stimulus while accepting it would result in less growth than without the additional borrowing. It's very basic macroeconomics, more input should result in more output, that it isn't means her ideas have a hugely negative multiplier. It's as if she read the first half of a Krugman paper about rapidly increasing spending to generate demand but then didn't bother with the second half which says that the aggregate demand should drive overall higher growth than spending increase.

    So on balance I'd take anyone over Rachel Reeves. Even with the lack of talent on the Labour front bench, I'd rather someone who didn't have a frankly dangerous view of his/her own competence and experience.
    What got me was the lack of planning in the budget,

    Council tax isn't fit for purpose so where was the announcement about changes to it. Instead they it was quietly mentioned in a Parliamentary answer last week....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Sandpit said:

    The biggest pity about the Paul vs Tyson event, it has been put down as a shit show. The two ladies in the fight before it, that was a proper proper fight. Two of the best female boxers absolutely knocked seven bells out of one another. You don't want to be nicking their taxi on a Friday night.

    That was a proper fight, although I’m still not sure I like watching two women beating each other up! They were both seriously cut up and bruised at the end.
    I have no idea how the fight was scored for Taylor. One of the favoured few, like the Chiefs avoiding holding penalties.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    dixiedean said:

    Talk of ladders brings me to this.
    Health and Safety my arse!

    https://youtu.be/w3ma9iYx4rg?si=MAqsYNgu9uPZfLoQ

    I thought of this one. From a children’s programme!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrB_3wq2ak
    (John Noakes climbing Nelson’s column)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,032

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    They actually did, with Joe Rogan’s special and the Tom Brady Roast both streamed live earlier this year. But this fight was an order of magnitude bigger, attracting a worldwide live audience, and they couldn’t scale the infrastructure. The suggestion is that 60m devices tried to watch it.

    Their next big event will likely be okay, Amazon, Twitter, Apple, and F1TV, all had a nightmare when they first started doing live events, as it’s a different CDN technology from streaming previously recorded and uploaded files - but they all fixed it pretty quickly.
    Netflix have the NFL on Christmas Day. with Beyonce doing a concert at half time. They better have their streaming tech sorted for that.
    The audience for that won't be anywhere near as big. This was easily one of the biggest global streaming events. All other companies don't usually have global rights and only need to serve one or two territories or like F1TV it's just not as popular or has a premium fee. This was available to all Netflix subscribers across the world, that's a potential ~250m viewers who could watch what would normally be a £50-60 PPV. Netflix hugely underestimated demand, they used their water pistol instead of the firehouse that YouTube has.
  • I love a good dump.




    Lloyds Bank accused of swamping car finance lawyers with truckloads of post

    Courmacs Legal claims lender sent ‘tens of thousands’ of letters daily to stop compensation claims


    Lloyds Bank has been accused of “swamping” lawyers with truckloads of post to stop them claiming compensation for drivers in the car finance mis-selling scandal.

    Courmacs Legal claimed it was receiving “tens of thousands” of legal letters every day from the bank’s finance arm, Black Horse, which other lenders instead send electronically.

    Darren Smith, the managing director of Courmacs Legal, said: “We receive cages of post. We’ve gone from having the conventional post van that arrives at your house to a large transit van.

    “We now get our post delivered by a truck from the Post Office because they are trying to swamp us out with post.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/11/18/lloyds-bank-swamping-car-finance-lawyers-truckloads-post/
  • Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    They actually did, with Joe Rogan’s special and the Tom Brady Roast both streamed live earlier this year. But this fight was an order of magnitude bigger, attracting a worldwide live audience, and they couldn’t scale the infrastructure. The suggestion is that 60m devices tried to watch it.

    Their next big event will likely be okay, Amazon, Twitter, Apple, and F1TV, all had a nightmare when they first started doing live events, as it’s a different CDN technology from streaming previously recorded and uploaded files - but they all fixed it pretty quickly.
    Netflix have the NFL on Christmas Day. with Beyonce doing a concert at half time. They better have their streaming tech sorted for that.
    Indeed but even then, 99 per cent of the NFL audience is in the same country. The boxing, for want of a better word, was watched around the world (slowly).

    Netflix could do worse than hire techies from the Indian cricket streamers.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,720
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    All sorts of grey areas around whether a TV Licence was required as well!
    What's the grey area around a TV license ? It was definitely a live broadcast.
    Does it not depend on whether it is simultaneously broadcast on a TV channel?

    You can't watch anything that is on a terrestrial, satellite or cable channel anywhere.

    The rules on live internet streams are definitely grey.

    Apparently you are also allowed to watch parliament.tv without a licence.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Unpopular said:

    I have said before, I would introduce American style sheriffs alongside the police. Tell them to have at it. If the police didn't sort their shit out, more and more of their funding would go to the sheriffs. They are a monopoly, and all monopolies have the same effect.

    FPT
    Scotland already has Sheriffs, though I can't quite imagine them delivering 'summary justice' in the same way as an American Sheriff from the bench, giving them a six-shooter might change the dynamics in court somewhat. Perhaps @DavidL is in a better place to comment.
    I don’t think we're alone - pretty sure England has some too no? But of course I speak of the US kind. I hadn't thought of giving them pistols but the idea is tempting.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,881

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    I think the YouTube clips of Tyson training for the fight flattered him. Sure, if he'd connected a few combinations in the first couple of rounds, I think Paul would have been in trouble, but after round 3, it was never in doubt.
    The difference is of course the pads were right in front of him and don't move.....Paul sensibly kept well out of reach of Tyson and made him hobble around the ring after him.
    Tyson's body looked a million times better than his cardio which was very poor even for a 58 year old man I thought. Had he done any 5-6 mile runs in his training ?
    He has regularly been seen using a wheelchair and a stick over recent years (well before any of this fight nonsense).
    Is this regular for boxers?

    My mum was a physio in a special school for 30 years, and by he 70s her back was in poor condition due to the physical workload.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,032

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    They actually did, with Joe Rogan’s special and the Tom Brady Roast both streamed live earlier this year. But this fight was an order of magnitude bigger, attracting a worldwide live audience, and they couldn’t scale the infrastructure. The suggestion is that 60m devices tried to watch it.

    Their next big event will likely be okay, Amazon, Twitter, Apple, and F1TV, all had a nightmare when they first started doing live events, as it’s a different CDN technology from streaming previously recorded and uploaded files - but they all fixed it pretty quickly.
    Netflix have the NFL on Christmas Day. with Beyonce doing a concert at half time. They better have their streaming tech sorted for that.
    Indeed but even then, 99 per cent of the NFL audience is in the same country. The boxing, for want of a better word, was watched around the world (slowly).

    Netflix could do worse than hire techies from the Indian cricket streamers.
    Nah they need the people from YouTube. I think that's the only platform who have the tech currently for over 20m concurrent viewers of a livestream, no other platform even comes close to that level of demand let alone 60m.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    Do you think it was a genuine fight inasmuch as you describe.
    I don't know. Tyson certainly didn't throw very many punches, which I guess could lead some to suspect that it wasn't on the up and up, but he just looked so old, so broken, he couldn't walk properly (and I don't think any of that was faked as it was consistent throughout) and Paul just ensured at all times he was out of range.

    If you were going to fake it WWE style, you would have thought you would have Tyson get a few punches in that weren't full force, some suggestion that either could be winning at various points in the fight etc.
    Steve Bunce on R5 said that Tyson had had significant health issues not that long ago, including blood transfusions. Should not have been fighting.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    edited November 18

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    All sorts of grey areas around whether a TV Licence was required as well!
    What's the grey area around a TV license ? It was definitely a live broadcast.
    Agreed, but not available via another "mainstream" broadcaster. Netflix don't do scheduled regular broadcasts and can't be considered a TV broadcaster
    The BlackBelt Barrister on YouTube has done loads around this sort of stuff.
    On balance, I'd say a licence was marginal.
    No, it was definitely required - the main thing which means people don't need licenses is the fact it's essentially unenforceable unless people self incriminate when the license people turn up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvkWGs8nw60 sums it up well. Basically it's the equivalent of doing 40 in a 30 in a world with no speed detection equipment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited November 18
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    All sorts of grey areas around whether a TV Licence was required as well!
    What's the grey area around a TV license ? It was definitely a live broadcast.
    In reality, its all a moot point, as its unenforceable.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    The biggest pity about the Paul vs Tyson event, it has been put down as a shit show. The two ladies in the fight before it, that was a proper proper fight. Two of the best female boxers absolutely knocked seven bells out of one another. You don't want to be nicking their taxi on a Friday night.

    That was a proper fight, although I’m still not sure I like watching two women beating each other up! They were both seriously cut up and bruised at the end.
    I have no idea how the fight was scored for Taylor. One of the favoured few, like the Chiefs avoiding holding penalties.
    Biggest event of the day was the footage of Eddie Hearn and Skye Nicolson "together". Even if Conor Benn got in the way of the real action.
  • Unpopular said:

    I have said before, I would introduce American style sheriffs alongside the police. Tell them to have at it. If the police didn't sort their shit out, more and more of their funding would go to the sheriffs. They are a monopoly, and all monopolies have the same effect.

    FPT
    Scotland already has Sheriffs, though I can't quite imagine them delivering 'summary justice' in the same way as an American Sheriff from the bench, giving them a six-shooter might change the dynamics in court somewhat. Perhaps @DavidL is in a better place to comment.
    I don’t think we're alone - pretty sure England has some too no? But of course I speak of the US kind. I hadn't thought of giving them pistols but the idea is tempting.
    Nottingham had England’s most (in)famous Sheriff.
  • MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twitter is absolutely without peer for on the spot footage of whatever event has just occurred. It showed the shooting at the Fishmongers/London Bridge, for example and generally, if disappointingly, has footage of just about anything serious and bad that happens from moments after and often as it is happening as someone had their camera out to take pictures of their local Budgens/the moon/whatever.

    It is also good for the following things:

    1. Reading what latest lunacy your political foes are thinking or pushing (eg James O'B, Owen J);
    2. Steve Inman's non-essential commentary; and
    3. The odd time spent doom-scrolling as long as strictly time-limited.

    Carl Froch is getting tasty with Jake Paul on there as well.
    Apart from the payday aspect, I think the Tyson fight has been a disaster for Paul.
    Sure he'll make money, but no one takes him seriously as a pro boxer.
    Agree. Maybe The Cobra senses a payday.

    I haven't brought myself to watch the fight given I was calling it strongly for Tyson, but I did see a couple of clips, one where Paul tagged Tyson and several the other way round.

    How did you see it.
    It wasn't a fight. It was an old bloke hobbling around the ring, while the young bloke occasionally jabbed him before running away. Rinse and repeat for 2mins x 8. I've seen more action waiting for a taxi on a Friday night in town (not when the pubs are closing, when the play centre closes).
    You were lucky if you actually got to watch it, rather than watching a buffering screen, followed by a network error screen, followed by missing two rounds as you restarted your TV box…

    The biggest platform fail since Ron DeSantis’ campaign launch on Twitter.
    The thing I don't get is why was Netflix (whose entire infrastructure is designed around streaming recorded data which is kept locally to minimise costs all round) trying to do a really big show as it's first attempt as it's first attempt at streaming live media...

    A few lower interest comedy specials would have allowed the scaling of their technology to be tested first before it very publicly fell over...
    They actually did, with Joe Rogan’s special and the Tom Brady Roast both streamed live earlier this year. But this fight was an order of magnitude bigger, attracting a worldwide live audience, and they couldn’t scale the infrastructure. The suggestion is that 60m devices tried to watch it.

    Their next big event will likely be okay, Amazon, Twitter, Apple, and F1TV, all had a nightmare when they first started doing live events, as it’s a different CDN technology from streaming previously recorded and uploaded files - but they all fixed it pretty quickly.
    Netflix have the NFL on Christmas Day. with Beyonce doing a concert at half time. They better have their streaming tech sorted for that.
    Indeed but even then, 99 per cent of the NFL audience is in the same country. The boxing, for want of a better word, was watched around the world (slowly).

    Netflix could do worse than hire techies from the Indian cricket streamers.
    Nah they need the people from YouTube. I think that's the only platform who have the tech currently for over 20m concurrent viewers of a livestream, no other platform even comes close to that level of demand let alone 60m.
    I'm fairly sure I've seen conference talks on YouTube with claims of 30 million for IPL.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807

    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable!
    World leading ballet dancer, "loses his balance" on a fifth floor Moscow balcony.
    What were the odds?

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

    I can't call that.

    Was he on Putin's possible death list for any reason?

    IIRC from my past reading of the Mitrokhin Archive, the KGB plotted to do things to Rudolf Nureyev after he defected.

    We need to remember and remind ourselves how evil are these regimes. (Yes, that's a moral judgement.)

    Or he just had an affair with the wrong person.

    Just as likely some random oligarch did it, rather than the state.
    Ballet dancer past his best, carrying a painful injury and facing major surgery? Any other nationality and I'd not want to rule out suicide.
    Liam Payne had a similar incident a few weeks ago of course
    Really ??
    How did he piss Putin off ?
    I worry about our French house as we're starting to let it out to tourists next year, and the upstairs bedroom windows are huge and would be easy to climb out of if you were so inclined. I read that one of the members of Supergrass broke his back falling from a first floor bedroom window in a Provence holiday let. Hopefully the insurance will cover falling tourist risk.
    Or you will end up like the big hotels with windows that can only open a few inches.
    No help to Rishi Sunak.
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