I hope the farmers are successful in getting the government to back down on their inheritance tax policy.
Feels to me like Starmer's govt has few policies, but that they could all unravel quite quickly:
If no growth - will have to cut budgets Trump could pretty much reverse thinking on Chagos decision If confidence in government debt continues to be weak, they'll have to rethink climate expenditure Assisted dying bill could flounder
etc etc etc
Its just a continuation of Brownian-Sunakite fag end governments. Very, very disappointing
Time for the Bush “missing me yet” posters?
Can't help but feel that if Boris can get back into Parliament, he might yet be PM again
Well, at least they are unlikely to have broken the 20mph limit.
I have been pondering why Labour seems to have started so many battles with minimal benefit in such a short period of time. If you take Northern working class, middle class parents, small business owners and now farmers there is an impressive array of people who really hate them due to a single issue. Starmer's popularity is as low as Trudeau.
A lot of people make the point that Labour have a big majority and there is 4 1/2 years to fix things so why worry. The bigger worry could be that the country becomes ungovernable. If this happens then the markets will take fright the £ will drop and interest rates rise. Remember Labour is also picking a fight with the mega rich who have the ability to drive the markets if they smell weakness.
Does anyone here believe that Starmer is able to unite the country ?
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
Corbynism fills the bill. It will be back at some point.
Sultana is the one to watch. She has the charisma.
The next rightwing government, be it Reform or Tory or a combo of both, absolutely MUST enshrine Free Speech in law, like the US Constitution
The FSU is complaining about 2014 since when there have been five Conservative Prime Ministers. Why do you imagine the next one will care about freedom of speech?
Which is absolutely fair. The Tories had 14 years to do something - to do a lot - about all this, and they did fuck all. They did not remotely roll back the capture of the institutions by the Woke Left, they barely started it
Which is why we need something like a British Trump (not Boris)
Well, at least they are unlikely to have broken the 20mph limit.
I have been pondering why Labour seems to have started so many battles with minimal benefit in such a short period of time. If you take Northern working class, middle class parents, small business owners and now farmers there is an impressive array of people who really hate them due to a single issue. Starmer's popularity is as low as Trudeau.
A lot of people make the point that Labour have a big majority and there is 4 1/2 years to fix things so why worry. The bigger worry could be that the country becomes ungovernable. If this happens then the markets will take fright the £ will drop and interest rates rise. Remember Labour is also picking a fight with the mega rich who have the ability to drive the markets if they smell weakness.
Does anyone here believe that Starmer is able to unite the country ?
Yes.
All he needs to do is piss off the last few people who like him and the country will be united - against him.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
Corbynism fills the bill. It will be back at some point.
Sultana is the one to watch. She has the charisma.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
And, as ever, working "beyond their powers" to protect Muslims, minorities and others, and penalise the right, the rest, the majority, it really is Two Tier policing and a lot of us have had enough
For context the FSU was founded by eugenicist Toby Young.
That's presumably why Leon likes them: they agree on more white babies?
Well, at least they are unlikely to have broken the 20mph limit.
I have been pondering why Labour seems to have started so many battles with minimal benefit in such a short period of time. If you take Northern working class, middle class parents, small business owners and now farmers there is an impressive array of people who really hate them due to a single issue. Starmer's popularity is as low as Trudeau.
A lot of people make the point that Labour have a big majority and there is 4 1/2 years to fix things so why worry. The bigger worry could be that the country becomes ungovernable. If this happens then the markets will take fright the £ will drop and interest rates rise. Remember Labour is also picking a fight with the mega rich who have the ability to drive the markets if they smell weakness.
Does anyone here believe that Starmer is able to unite the country ?
Worth noting that 100% Agricultural Releif only dates from 1992. Before then agricultural land was affected by IHT or its predecessors.
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
I was born jn a country where fairness, common sense and tolerance usually prevailed. These days so often we seem to want to prosecute or persecute people who act in an anti-social or rude way. I would like to see more clear blue water between things that are illegal and things that are regarded as bad form. Here are a few things that I greatly dislike but don't think should be illegal: Private fireworks in urban or sub-urban areas Chewing bubble gum Tailgating Hare coursing Teasing people because of their skin colour Playing loud music whilst driving with the windows open Putting recyclable items in the general refuse
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
Corbynism fills the bill. It will be back at some point.
Sultana is the one to watch. She has the charisma.
Are you raisin her prospects? Currantly I think she's a bit nutty.
The next rightwing government, be it Reform or Tory or a combo of both, absolutely MUST enshrine Free Speech in law, like the US Constitution
The FSU is complaining about 2014 since when there have been five Conservative Prime Ministers. Why do you imagine the next one will care about freedom of speech?
Which is absolutely fair. The Tories had 14 years to do something - to do a lot - about all this, and they did fuck all. They did not remotely roll back the capture of the institutions by the Woke Left, they barely started it
Which is why we need something like a British Trump (not Boris)
Farage or Rees Mogg would fit the bill
lol. no. Not Rees Mogg. And not Farage, probably (tho I think he has a decent chance of being the next PM)
Likely someone younger and flintier and notably more rightwing, v likely from an ethnic minority so they are not guilt-tripped by whiteness. A mix of Vivek R in America, and Suella Braverman
It is notable that on PB one of the most vocal and eloquent defenders of British freedoms, the Enlightenment, free speech, and the necessity of Ending Wokeness, is @MaxPB - who is, I believe, of Hindi descent?
A British rightwing leader that actually has the guts to change things, and defend classic Enlightenment values, antiWokeness, and race-blindness, will probably be someone like that
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
And, as ever, working "beyond their powers" to protect Muslims, minorities and others, and penalise the right, the rest, the majority, it really is Two Tier policing and a lot of us have had enough
For context the FSU was founded by eugenicist Toby Young.
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
I hope the farmers are successful in getting the government to back down on their inheritance tax policy.
It's one policy where I think the government may be forced to yield.
Farmers can be bloody disruptive if they want to be, and food production isn't something the government can tolerate being disrupted for long - particularly if their policies start to make farming unviable.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
You're out of time, out of ideas, and out of luck.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
Corbynism fills the bill. It will be back at some point.
Sultana is the one to watch. She has the charisma.
I was born jn a country where fairness, common sense and tolerance usually prevailed. These days so often we seem to want to prosecute or persecute people who act in an anti-social or rude way. I would like to see more clear blue water between things that are illegal and things that are regarded as bad form. Here are a few things that I greatly dislike but don't think should be illegal: Private fireworks in urban or sub-urban areas Chewing bubble gum Tailgating Hare coursing Teasing people because of their skin colour Playing loud music whilst driving with the windows open Putting recyclable items in the general refuse
The one thing I want made illegal, because it’s just unnecessarily twatty, is that you should get ten years hard Labour if you put on a non factory exhaust on your car or motorbike or remove the silencer. Noisy antisocial c@nts. Completely pointless dickless behaviour - no woman ever said “that guy is so hot on his 50cc moped because it makes loads of noise”.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
Totally agree.
The cancer was allowed to metastasize from progressive activists in universities and fringe third sector organisations into every corporation, company and institution of our society and has now reached Stage 4.
It now need radical radiotherapy to shrink the tumour and bring it back under control.
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
The problem @Casino_Royale is about 80% of the posters on this website have been infected by the 'woke mind virus' with varying degrees of severity, although I think it is now in retreat.
Ultimately the 'woke left' was like a parasite that eventually destroyed the host. Rather than being satisfied with its achievements its demands became progressively more extreme, intolerant and insane.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
The problem @Casino_Royale is about 80% of the posters on this website have been infected by the 'woke mind virus' with varying degrees of severity, although I think it is now in retreat.
Right wingers ironically have a super marxist way of thinking.
I was born jn a country where fairness, common sense and tolerance usually prevailed. These days so often we seem to want to prosecute or persecute people who act in an anti-social or rude way. I would like to see more clear blue water between things that are illegal and things that are regarded as bad form. Here are a few things that I greatly dislike but don't think should be illegal: Private fireworks in urban or sub-urban areas Chewing bubble gum Tailgating Hare coursing Teasing people because of their skin colour Playing loud music whilst driving with the windows open Putting recyclable items in the general refuse
The one thing I want made illegal, because it’s just unnecessarily twatty, is that you should get ten years hard Labour if you put on a non factory exhaust on your car or motorbike or remove the silencer. Noisy antisocial c@nts. Completely pointless dickless behaviour - no woman ever said “that guy is so hot on his 50cc moped because it makes loads of noise”.
Your 916SPS otoh… Though tbf it came with race Termis as standard.
I was born jn a country where fairness, common sense and tolerance usually prevailed. These days so often we seem to want to prosecute or persecute people who act in an anti-social or rude way. I would like to see more clear blue water between things that are illegal and things that are regarded as bad form. Here are a few things that I greatly dislike but don't think should be illegal: Private fireworks in urban or sub-urban areas Chewing bubble gum Tailgating Hare coursing Teasing people because of their skin colour Playing loud music whilst driving with the windows open Putting recyclable items in the general refuse
Tailgating is dangerous driving which is liable to cause accidents and injuries, or even death.
It's symptomatic of the way in which cars distort people's thinking that you equate an example of dangerous driving with chewing bubble gum.
Well, at least they are unlikely to have broken the 20mph limit.
I have been pondering why Labour seems to have started so many battles with minimal benefit in such a short period of time. If you take Northern working class, middle class parents, small business owners and now farmers there is an impressive array of people who really hate them due to a single issue. Starmer's popularity is as low as Trudeau.
A lot of people make the point that Labour have a big majority and there is 4 1/2 years to fix things so why worry. The bigger worry could be that the country becomes ungovernable. If this happens then the markets will take fright the £ will drop and interest rates rise. Remember Labour is also picking a fight with the mega rich who have the ability to drive the markets if they smell weakness.
Does anyone here believe that Starmer is able to unite the country ?
Worth noting that 100% Agricultural Releif only dates from 1992. Before then agricultural land was affected by IHT or its predecessors.
Also not so long, then, since IHT dwas used to replace Capital Transfer Tax, which was the correct name for the phenomenon. It was Thatcher and her Tories who whittled away at CTT and renamed it IHT to try and fib their way out of it in the long run as something unnatural.
Quite interesting finding old family papers about relatives' estates. No nonsense then about sacred family inheritance when it was really the crystallization and transfer of capital assets from one person to another.
Even today, IHT is a HUGE means of evading CGT - above all for Tory-voting farmers, landowners and business people.
I was born jn a country where fairness, common sense and tolerance usually prevailed. These days so often we seem to want to prosecute or persecute people who act in an anti-social or rude way. I would like to see more clear blue water between things that are illegal and things that are regarded as bad form. Here are a few things that I greatly dislike but don't think should be illegal: Private fireworks in urban or sub-urban areas Chewing bubble gum Tailgating Hare coursing Teasing people because of their skin colour Playing loud music whilst driving with the windows open Putting recyclable items in the general refuse
Stick the motorways up to a ton max, prosecute tailgaters and middle lane drivers imp.
The next rightwing government, be it Reform or Tory or a combo of both, absolutely MUST enshrine Free Speech in law, like the US Constitution
The FSU is complaining about 2014 since when there have been five Conservative Prime Ministers. Why do you imagine the next one will care about freedom of speech?
Which is absolutely fair. The Tories had 14 years to do something - to do a lot - about all this, and they did fuck all. They did not remotely roll back the capture of the institutions by the Woke Left, they barely started it
Which is why we need something like a British Trump (not Boris)
Farage or Rees Mogg would fit the bill
lol. no. Not Rees Mogg. And not Farage, probably (tho I think he has a decent chance of being the next PM)
Likely someone younger and flintier and notably more rightwing, v likely from an ethnic minority so they are not guilt-tripped by whiteness. A mix of Vivek R in America, and Suella Braverman
It is notable that on PB one of the most vocal and eloquent defenders of British freedoms, the Enlightenment, free speech, and the necessity of Ending Wokeness, is @MaxPB - who is, I believe, of Hindi descent?
A British rightwing leader that actually has the guts to change things, and defend classic Enlightenment values, antiWokeness, and race-blindness, will probably be someone like that
No, to be brutally honest if you really want to go anti woke the figure to do so needs to be white and probably male like Trump or Abbott and now Dutton in Australia ie Farage or Rees Mogg (Boris is too under the thumb of Carrie and too liberal to be really nationalist and anti woke). Or a hardline rightwing white woman like Le Pen or Meloni.
Going for an ethnic minority doesn't really work as many of the ethnic minorities will just see them as betraying their own and the ultra right racists would still not support them either.
Kemi ironically won the Tory leadership as the more centrist candidate, even she was not the full hard core anti woke figure. Rees Mogg backed Jenrick and after the result Farage made a pitch for Jenrick's supporters
I hope there will be no inconveniencing of the public or potential obstruction of emergency services.
Well no more than the left liberal marches of the last decade through London against austerity, against Brexit etc when the Tories were in government.
Now Labour are in this will be the first big rightwing march in London since the pro fox hunting, pro countryside march for Liberty and Livelihood in 2002
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
You're out of time, out of ideas, and out of luck.
Lovely. Must be somewhere up north of Fyfield and near the Devil's Den?
My first night walking the Ridgeway, I camped out at Wayland's Smithy. A few other people were there as well; a very atmospheric place for a camp.
I did that too as a student! Friend and I walked from near Wantage to Swindon, overnighting there. But it wasn't so fashionable then ... early days of megalithomania.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Truss didn't lose any elections. Sunk brought the Tories their worst defeat in living memory.
Well, at least they are unlikely to have broken the 20mph limit.
I have been pondering why Labour seems to have started so many battles with minimal benefit in such a short period of time. If you take Northern working class, middle class parents, small business owners and now farmers there is an impressive array of people who really hate them due to a single issue. Starmer's popularity is as low as Trudeau.
A lot of people make the point that Labour have a big majority and there is 4 1/2 years to fix things so why worry. The bigger worry could be that the country becomes ungovernable. If this happens then the markets will take fright the £ will drop and interest rates rise. Remember Labour is also picking a fight with the mega rich who have the ability to drive the markets if they smell weakness.
Does anyone here believe that Starmer is able to unite the country ?
Worth noting that 100% Agricultural Releif only dates from 1992. Before then agricultural land was affected by IHT or its predecessors.
And one of the main reasons it was brought in was because family farms were having to be sold - usually to the large corporations - to pay the tax. Of course the large corporations don't have to pay the tax because there is no inheritance.
Given an election campaign Labour will be back up to where they were before.
SPLORG 46%. the combined unpopularity of Lab/Con (54%) is remarkable and even several points down from 4th July. As compared with the GE of 2017, (Lab/Con combined over 80%) it's another era altogether.
Given an election campaign Labour will be back up to where they were before.
Hardly given Labour began on over 40% and ended up on 33% in July.
Opinium not brilliant for Kemi but still a swing of just under 2% from Labour to the Tories since the GE so not great for Starmer either.
Brilliant poll for Farage whose Reform party is up 7% on the 14% they got at the GE to 21%. LDs and SNP basically unchanged since the GE like the Tories in voteshare, Greens up but by just 1%
Many years ago I said geology/archeology was very male dominated and should be for women only going forward because in my experience women are very good at digging up the past.
Given an election campaign Labour will be back up to where they were before.
Not good for the Tories but Kemi has only been there for 2 weeks.
She has done what Gove and Maude and Stride and Osbourne and the Cameroon and Sunak loyalists who backed her wanted her to do, keep 2024 Sunak Tory voters on board with the Tories unchanged on July.
However clearly it is Farage making the gains from Labour now not her
Many years ago I said geology/archeology was very male dominated and should be for women only going forward because in my experience women are very good at digging up the past.
I have always said that Mrs Foxys best feature is her poor memory. I am often in the doghouse, but always let out promptly as she forgets why I am in there.
Just read that piece by Dorries, fucking hell, she's getting very close to jigsaw identifcation.
So the person touched up by Chris Pincher that led to Boris Johnson was a friend of William Wragg and that's fuelling her paranoia/conspiracy theory.
I'm not really sure why these people shouldn't be identified. I don’t really mind what Tory MPs get up to in bed providing it's legal, but it doesn't belong in their workplace. It brings the House of Commons into disrepute and highlights the character of those concerned. There is a public interest case, as there was when Major's Cabinet was awash with sleaze.
Many years ago I said geology/archeology was very male dominated and should be for women only going forward because in my experience women are very good at digging up the past.
LOL.
Actually you might be surprised to know that these days the gender split is very close to 50:50 in Archaeology. 47^ female to 53% male. And that will swing firmly to female in the next few years as the majority of archaeology undergraduates are now female.
Is that the same Jeremy Clarkson who bought a farm as a tax avoidance wheeze?
He seems genuinely interested in farming.
Oh well, that's alright then. He's bought a farm for IHT avoidance purposes but he does also have an interest in farming.
To be fair, he bought a farm for IHT avoidance but he is, even if almost accidentally, actually working it himself. And has been doing a great deal of work to support other local farmers through his business ventures.
I think it's fair enough to say he therefore has the right to feel he is a farmer not a tax avoider.
And not the group we should be targeting - people who tie up their money in farmland and lease it out to be farmed by somebody else as an IHT dodge (as Clarkson did at first).
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
Maybe she doesn't know what her pronouns are?
My pronouns are He, her, theirs
Don't be stupid, they're 2-2-2
(which, as any fule kno, is the Whyte notation for Sahib, Sultan and Sindh, the first three locomotives in India)
“Parishes are doing a much better job on safeguarding,” said Woodhead. “It’s a different church at the grassroots level. Lots of parishes are doing wonderful work with great local lay leadership and some very good clergy. They don’t get much support or money from the national church.”
Key lines, above all the next Archbishop needs to devolve more funds and more ministry to Parish level and cut it at Lambeth and diocesan level
Is that the same Jeremy Clarkson who bought a farm as a tax avoidance wheeze?
He seems genuinely interested in farming.
Oh well, that's alright then. He's bought a farm for IHT avoidance purposes but he does also have an interest in farming.
Two points on this. Firstly I think he is genuine in his farming endeavours. He may not have started that way but it’s certainly ended as. Secondly if something that you arrange as a tax efficient venture under current legislation suddenly becomes subject to new legislation then you have the right to be annoyed. Take ISAs. You can save tax free in ISAs up to a limit each year. If the government suddenly decided to change that, you’d have a right to be annoyed.
Many years ago I said geology/archeology was very male dominated and should be for women only going forward because in my experience women are very good at digging up the past.
LOL.
Actually you might be surprised to know that these days the gender split is very close to 50:50 in Archaeology. 47^ female to 53% male. And that will swing firmly to female in the next few years as the majority of archaeology undergraduates are now female.
I am glad to hear it, back when I was in my student days I remember seeing a stat that it was something like 80/20 in favour of males.
Is that the same Jeremy Clarkson who bought a farm as a tax avoidance wheeze?
He seems genuinely interested in farming.
Oh well, that's alright then. He's bought a farm for IHT avoidance purposes but he does also have an interest in farming.
Two points on this. Firstly I think he is genuine in his farming endeavours. He may not have started that way but it’s certainly ended as. Secondly if something that you arrange as a tax efficient venture under current legislation suddenly becomes subject to new legislation then you have the right to be annoyed. Take ISAs. You can save tax free in ISAs up to a limit each year. If the government suddenly decided to change that, you’d have a right to be annoyed.
I would be annoyed but if it meant raising tax to better society I’d be fine with that.
Just like I am not annoyed that I will have to pay IHT.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
And, as ever, working "beyond their powers" to protect Muslims, minorities and others, and penalise the right, the rest, the majority, it really is Two Tier policing and a lot of us have had enough
For context the FSU was founded by eugenicist Toby Young.
IMO that "eugenicist" was mainly a tactical, partisan smear.
He's agin wheelchair ramps tho. Or at least he was until it was unfashionable to, then he shut up about it. See also Rod Liddle and child pornography.
Is that the same Jeremy Clarkson who bought a farm as a tax avoidance wheeze?
He seems genuinely interested in farming.
Oh well, that's alright then. He's bought a farm for IHT avoidance purposes but he does also have an interest in farming.
Two points on this. Firstly I think he is genuine in his farming endeavours. He may not have started that way but it’s certainly ended as. Secondly if something that you arrange as a tax efficient venture under current legislation suddenly becomes subject to new legislation then you have the right to be annoyed. Take ISAs. You can save tax free in ISAs up to a limit each year. If the government suddenly decided to change that, you’d have a right to be annoyed.
How about employment? If the government decided to reduce the personal allowance by freezing it in a time of high inflation should I be annoyed?
Are there any taxes a government can increase that wouldn't provoke someone to be annoyed?
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I have been pondering why Labour seems to have started so many battles with minimal benefit in such a short period of time. If you take Northern working class, middle class parents, small business owners and now farmers there is an impressive array of people who really hate them due to a single issue. Starmer's popularity is as low as Trudeau.
A lot of people make the point that Labour have a big majority and there is 4 1/2 years to fix things so why worry. The bigger worry could be that the country becomes ungovernable. If this happens then the markets will take fright the £ will drop and interest rates rise. Remember Labour is also picking a fight with the mega rich who have the ability to drive the markets if they smell weakness.
Does anyone here believe that Starmer is able to unite the country ?
Sultana is the one to watch. She has the charisma.
All he needs to do is piss off the last few people who like him and the country will be united - against him.
Everyone has been telling us that no on is interested in this 'fringe culture war stuff', but it seems likely to have changed the course of history; being a significant factor in why the democrats lost.
I would like to see more clear blue water between things that are illegal and things that are regarded as bad form. Here are a few things that I greatly dislike but don't think should be illegal:
Private fireworks in urban or sub-urban areas
Chewing bubble gum
Tailgating
Hare coursing
Teasing people because of their skin colour
Playing loud music whilst driving with the windows open
Putting recyclable items in the general refuse
Likely someone younger and flintier and notably more rightwing, v likely from an ethnic minority so they are not guilt-tripped by whiteness. A mix of Vivek R in America, and Suella Braverman
It is notable that on PB one of the most vocal and eloquent defenders of British freedoms, the Enlightenment, free speech, and the necessity of Ending Wokeness, is @MaxPB - who is, I believe, of Hindi descent?
A British rightwing leader that actually has the guts to change things, and defend classic Enlightenment values, antiWokeness, and race-blindness, will probably be someone like that
Farmers can be bloody disruptive if they want to be, and food production isn't something the government can tolerate being disrupted for long - particularly if their policies start to make farming unviable.
You sowed the wind and will reap the whirlwind.
The cancer was allowed to metastasize from progressive activists in universities and fringe third sector organisations into every corporation, company and institution of our society and has now reached Stage 4.
It now need radical radiotherapy to shrink the tumour and bring it back under control.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/16/fears-grow-over-uk-children-at-risk-placed-in-care-homes
The top of the farm is the Ridgeway
'The sordid photo evidence that proves Tory MPs had gay group sex in the Commons. NADINE DORRIES lifts the lid on the explosive cover up that will shock you to your core'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-14088147/The-sordid-photo-evidence-proves-Tory-MPs-gay-group-sex-Commons-NADINE-DORRIES-lifts-lid-explosive-cover-shock-core.html
Though tbf it came with race Termis as standard.
It's symptomatic of the way in which cars distort people's thinking that you equate an example of dangerous driving with chewing bubble gum.
Quite interesting finding old family papers about relatives' estates. No nonsense then about sacred family inheritance when it was really the crystallization and transfer of capital assets from one person to another.
Even today, IHT is a HUGE means of evading CGT - above all for Tory-voting farmers, landowners and business people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/john-smyth-abuse-report-triggers-existential-crisis-in-church-of-england
I must say I was pretty astounded.
No it really won't - the only thing that shocks me is that you think I might care about it - I won't.
Going for an ethnic minority doesn't really work as many of the ethnic minorities will just see them as betraying their own and the ultra right racists would still not support them either.
Kemi ironically won the Tory leadership as the more centrist candidate, even she was not the full hard core anti woke figure. Rees Mogg backed Jenrick and after the result Farage made a pitch for Jenrick's supporters
LAB: 30% (-1)
CON: 24% (=)
RFM: 21% (+1)
LDM: 12% (+2)
GRN: 8% (-2)
SNP: 3% (+1)
Via @OpiniumResearch, 11-13 Nov.
Changes w/ 30-31 Oct.
https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1857877965356315070
Given an election campaign Labour will be back up to where they were before.
TSE you are a racist! And so am I. And so is everyone who likes dinosaurs, palaeontology and geology in general.
Racists the lot of us!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/16/geology-is-racist-claims-university-professor/
Now Labour are in this will be the first big rightwing march in London since the pro fox hunting, pro countryside march for Liberty and Livelihood in 2002
So the person touched up by Chris Pincher that led to Boris Johnson was a friend of William Wragg and that's fuelling her paranoia/conspiracy theory.
Still think Wes has a decent chance of fighting the next election.
C'mon academia, rise to the challenge of protecting scientific sanity.
I maintain my view that it didn’t need to be made.
But as it exists, it was brilliant. 9/10.
Opinium not brilliant for Kemi but still a swing of just under 2% from Labour to the Tories since the GE so not great for Starmer either.
Brilliant poll for Farage whose Reform party is up 7% on the 14% they got at the GE to 21%. LDs and SNP basically unchanged since the GE like the Tories in voteshare, Greens up but by just 1%
However clearly it is Farage making the gains from Labour now not her
Actually you might be surprised to know that these days the gender split is very close to 50:50 in Archaeology. 47^ female to 53% male. And that will swing firmly to female in the next few years as the majority of archaeology undergraduates are now female.
I think it's fair enough to say he therefore has the right to feel he is a farmer not a tax avoider.
And not the group we should be targeting - people who tie up their money in farmland and lease it out to be farmed by somebody else as an IHT dodge (as Clarkson did at first).
(which, as any fule kno, is the Whyte notation for Sahib, Sultan and Sindh, the first three locomotives in India)
Key lines, above all the next Archbishop needs to devolve more funds and more ministry to Parish level and cut it at Lambeth and diocesan level
Secondly if something that you arrange as a tax efficient venture under current legislation suddenly becomes subject to new legislation then you have the right to be annoyed.
Take ISAs. You can save tax free in ISAs up to a limit each year. If the government suddenly decided to change that, you’d have a right to be annoyed.
Just like I am not annoyed that I will have to pay IHT.
I think I'll stick to regular mastadon.
Are there any taxes a government can increase that wouldn't provoke someone to be annoyed?