EMBRACE the seasonality. It's what makes our long summer nights so rewarding. There's a cold snap coming up: which gives you the opportunity to hike up to a modest elevation to see some really quite heartbreakingly lovely sunset before teatime, then have your dinner in some cosy pub somewhere. Because I'm a parent of heavily scheduled children and have almost no scope to be spontaneous, my annual November sunset hike up Arnside Knott with two like minded familities was pencilled in months ago for months for tomorrow, when it's due to be pissing down with rain at the allotted slot, but you have the flexibility to do it whenever there's a clear evening. Being in London you have neither the elevation nor the west coast that is accessible to me, but all you need is somewhere with a southwesterly view. I'd say you get a cracking November sunset from Box Hill, and Surrey's leaf coverage will be close to its best right now.
TBH I'm still numb with shock from jetlag. Should be feeling a bit better by Monday and I will do as you sensibly advise. Lean into it. Wrap handsome scarves around my neck 30s Brideshead style! Eat oysters in season! Drink deep draughts of red wine in pubs with roaring fires. Gaze thoughtfully at the sere and final leaves of the ash and the lime. Yomp across Hampstead Heath in the exhilarating chill. Admire the filigree of morning frost. Mulled wine and good cheer. Snuffling dogs. Evensong in the gloaming. Roast dinners with chestnuts
Then fuck off somewhere hot and sunny again
Jolly good. England has a good seven weeks of being magnificent yet in all the ways you list. Nowhere I'd rather be in November. Once you get to January, I don't blame you. You can stay to marvel at the bleakness but it's rather making a virtue out of a necessity.
January and February can be bleak, but in sunny weather they can also be sublime, especially with heavy morning frosts sheathing everything in a glistering sheen.
I like the early months of the year, just because there are a lot of months to come, with lots of possibilities. In November and December I get the feeling of time running out - running out for the year that is. There's not much time left for things - anything - to happen before the end of the year.
In politics, especially geopolitics, that is just as bloody well.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
If you are willing to pay me and if some of the politicos on this website (@NickPalmer, @Tissue_Price, @RochdalePioneers, @JohnO ) can back me up with the clearances, i am more than willing to spend the time going thru each NCHI database and writing it up. I used to hold SC and CTC clearance, I'm a member of the RSS, and have a background as a researcher. You have more than enough money to do this and would be considerably better than shovelling drugs up your nose while you wank.
Or you can keep posting here in an outraged manner. Up to you.
To be fair to the egregious Ms Pearson - I'll believe the police when they publish the footage and it's confirmed by an independent party to be genuine. And not one second before.
It is possible they simply have different slants on the incident.
And it's possible of course that they're all lying.
It'll be interesting to see how much of the full encounter the cams caught.
Its not like its a volatile incident happening without notice. It is a meeting with a senior antagonistic journalist at ta time of the police's choosing. There is near zero chance they don't have all of it.
The police won't have mentioned non crime hate crime, they might have mentioned hate crime but more likely public order act 1986 (yes that is how long this has been the status quo). Pearson will think she has committed no crime and is therefore justified in calling it a no crime hate crime.
"A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby."
As an aside, I have never understood how chanting 'from the river to the sea' does not meet this description. As it seems to be 'threatening, abusive and insulting', and also in my view invokes racial hatred against the Jewish people.
I'm intrigued by your view darkage and tbh I don't think I've ever fully understood the opprobrium chanting 'from the river to the sea' receives.
If someone has a view that the creation of the Isreali state was wrong* and the land should revert to being a Palestinian state is there any legitimate way in which they can protest?
Andy McDonald was suspended from the Labour Party after stating in a pro-Palestine rally speech: "We won't rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty". The party described McDonald's comment as "deeply offensive". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#Usage
What's 'deeply offensive' about wishing that 'all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty'?
(*For the avoidance of doubt, I fully support Isreal's right to exist.)
A belief that the creation of Israel was 'wrong' is inherently meaningless unless the believer can spell out the method by which they hope to change it. In the British context it would be equivalent to the belief that a multiracial society is 'wrong' and that we should revert to the all-white status quo ante. Anyone espousing such a view should be tasked with explaining how they propose to make it happen. Or stfu.
I believe it's called "ethnic cleansing". FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARITY AND NOT GETTING BANNED, I AM NOT ESPOUSING IT, merely stating the facts
Ethnic cleansing has absolutely happened, many times, in history, so it is foolish to claim it is impossible. In some situations you can argue that it has been beneficial - eg the swapping of Greek/Turkish populations in the 1920s so as to make Turkey echt Turkish and Greece echt Greek was arguably a success, even though much suffering was caused en route
It largely brought to an end a bloody and seething conflict which had endured for many decades
Carry on like that and you'll be banned for EXCESSIVE USE OF CAPITALS ;-)
London, Seoul, Manila, Yerevan, Tbilisi, Paris…
Back in London now. My journey from Sirgao island to Heathrow took 28 fucking hours. EEEEEK
And when I arrived at LHR at 6.40 this morning I was greeted with the news that Sadiq Khan has suspended all Heathrow Express and Liz Line services for the weekend
So a £100 taxi it was
Still, it's nice to be home. I have unwrapped my souvenirs and they all look very fancy in my kitchen
Too proud for the Picaddily line?
I just can't bear that procession of null places. Hounslow. Hounslow Central. Osterley, Northfields. Where and what the fuck is "Northfields"
After my glorious procession around Japan, Korea and the Pihilippines a slow Tube through "Northfields" would have been bathetic and intolerable. So I caught a fast black and as it was so early it was indeed fast. And pricey. Fuck it. I haven't spent a penny of my own money for weeks
The line will be much improved within about 12 months when they install the new hi-tech carriages. The current ones date from 1975.
My mainline East-Midlands are currently talking about new carriages. It's the classic Rail Network "What can we do to help? Ooops it's too late !" routine. As seen recently for accessible buses nearly everywhere.
But the buggers are proposing the types they have on I think a couple of lines down South where there are only two bike spaces, and you have to hang it from a hook 1.6m up on the wall.
Nightmare for disabled / more elderly / adapted cycle / smaller people, partly because they can't use the facility, and then because the disabled spaces will be full of cycles there is nowhere to place, and the limitations will mean that it may be the end of bookable spaces.
And once it's in, we're stuck with it for another 30 years.
As you may have read in the recent Pedals' newsletter, East Midlands Railway (EMR) are introducing new trains, initially for 'Intercity' (i.e. the London St. Pancras run) but later for the 'Regional Fleet'.
The new class 810 Hitachi AT300 Intercity 5 carriage train, currently in test and due to begin introduction in 2025, has only TWO spaces for cycles, using hooks for vertical storage.
For greater detail on these points, please see below, the reply to Pedals' first email to EMR and our response, saying why they should change their plans.
EMR's second reply failed to engage with our points, saying as the trains are now being tested it is too late to change the design. They should change this detail now as they would a technical error found during test that affected operation. Delaying correction will increase the financial cost to the business (potentially the tax payer after the planned re-nationalisation), ignoring the broader societal costs which, of course, are more compelling in themselves.
Once the new trains are in service with this short-termist limitation, the life-span could be decades. The current '222' Meridian trains came into service in 2004!
Nightmare ! It's not as if this stuff is difficult. If anyone wants to weigh in, you can PM me.
That's really rather good, sir. It would easily sit in the New European, The Spectator or the The New Statesman. Have you found a way to get paid for it?
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
If the police come to your door talking about a non-crime hate incident you politely tell them that since they have told you it is a non-crime you have no obligation to talk to them. If they wish to write to you then they are free to do so, you will pass the letter onto your solicitor who will reply.
That’s is useful to know. This is not, according to Essex Police, what happened to Allison Pearson. They never mentioned non-crime hate incidents, and they say they have video to back that up.
Given the history of the police blatent lying to protect their reputation or get others (including Government ministers) into trouble, I wouldn't them as far as I could throw them. Nor would I trust their transcripts. If they want to prove themselves they should release the footage for everyone to see.
I am no fan of the Old Bill, but there again when the opposing campaign is behind a Telegraph columnist one does wonder whether a plague on both their houses is appropriate.
Although "a non-criminal hate intervention" seems like an act of extreme time and tax revenue wasting irrelevance, particularly when there are villains to catch.
The abuses and miscarriages of justice always start with those we don’t like.
For example, the “fitting up” culture always starts with the obviously guilty, habitual criminals.
In the US, for exanple, a prosecutor was disbarred for massively abusing justice in a case involving some posh kids at a posh university. People you’d love to hate. A journalist realised it was unlikely to be the first time for that prosecutor. And guess who were the most common customers? Yup, the prosecutor had a long track record of railroading poor, black men.
Trump has some big plans for Jack Smith. Although perhaps the fact that Trump is a right winger makes that justifiable. It's not like Smith had any evidence with which to prosecute Trump.
And who could possibly have guessed it would be this group who were first to realise what they have done?
Sunder Katwala (sundersays) @sundersays.bsky.social · 1h The cofounder of Muslims for Trump tells Reuters that he is disappointed to discover the president-elect's position on the US approach to Israel, Palestine and the Middle East
1 How much of Harris's loss of votes does this account for?
2 What drove it? Gaza, social conservatism, woke, girl cooties?
3 To the extent that it helped Trump win, it wasn't very clever, was it?
See also…
This honestly makes me think there's a market for a new type of Dem that's just nakedly in favor of econ growth, building, law and order, the military, etc - all the boring cringe median voter stuff - and who makes it their brand to tell nonprofits and foundations to go suck it. https://x.com/ryan_metheny/status/1857498707773587957
Genuine question. Do you enjoy Bluesky? Is it not a boring liberal echo chamber?
I've seen a few lefty friends desert TwiX for BlueSky, as they once left for Threads and Mastodon, but returned
However, maybe this time they mean it. I'm curious what attracts them, because they lose all the followers they had built up on TwiX, so it is a proper sacrifice
It will be a shame if there is no one space where we can all argue, and Twitter was that, albeit biased to the left before and biased to the right now
It's a bit quiet and stodgy frankly. As far as women are concerned, it seems to have the same faults that old Twitter had. A number of well regarded practising lawyers, academics and others who have scarcely issued any messages have been labelled as "intolerant" simply because they have different views to those of the owners. Repeating old Twitter's faults is not the way to go IMO.
X has become harder to use and there is a lot of rubbish on it. But if you make the effort you can still find good interesting stuff on it. It's just that it takes more effort. For those interested in the classical word and photography there are some very good sources.
For news stuff a good rule of thumb is to verify elsewhere and do some checking because a lot is not at all reliable. But that applies to Bluesky as well. A lot of the messages on Amsterdam were unreliable. As is @kinabalu above. There have been continuing planned attacks on Jews in Amsterdam long after Israeli football fans went home, which suggests that the idea that this was all justified reaction to provocation to be .... well .... somewhat less than the whole truth. Bluntly, we are in danger of turning a blind eye to the increase in Jew-hatred in the last year and the effect it is having on Jews in this country. From my personal knowledge, many feel very worried and scared and, above all, alone in a way that it is hard for the rest of us to understand.
Hang on. I said there was vile behaviour from Israeli hooligans. Which there was. I didn't say the attacks in response (or not in response) were justified. That's not my view at all. I was just responding to someone claiming habitually skewed (anti Israeli) media coverage and giving a counter example.
Do you consider yourself to be 'reliable' on this topic btw? Because I'm not sure you are.
"This didn't happen overnight. It took years and years for people on the Left to construct the censorship machinery that inevitably led to police knocking on a journalist's door for something she posted on social media.
These bigots HATE that you might think differently and NOTHING will change their thinking until the Right grabs hold of this machinery and turns it on them."
The world was a happier place when people like you were off their tits on class A drugs, whilst drinking and shagging with gay abandon. The side effect of coming off the all time high has been a propensity for miserable prejudice against anyone they believe might be having a nicer time than themselves.
ALSO, I'm genuinely unsure that anyone is having a nicer time than me
Well, we've just bought a building plot and are about to embark on a 2-3 year eco-build adventure. Meanwhile we're living in a rented cottage looking out over beautiful Dorset valley.
So all good here, thanks for asking.
Good luck!
Thanks! And thanks for the pointer to BuildHub (I think it was you who put me on to it) - it's a great resource.
Is that like pornhub, but for people with a specific fetish?
More or less. But not so much as Grand Designs, and we don't need our models to be completely divorced from reality.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
To be honest unless you work with children or are a doctor or social worker an enhanced DBS check is unlikely to be made on you. Though I take your point these incidents take up too much police time
And who could possibly have guessed it would be this group who were first to realise what they have done?
Sunder Katwala (sundersays) @sundersays.bsky.social · 1h The cofounder of Muslims for Trump tells Reuters that he is disappointed to discover the president-elect's position on the US approach to Israel, Palestine and the Middle East
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
If you are willing to pay me and if some of the politicos on this website (@NickPalmer, @Tissue_Price, @RochdalePioneers, @JohnO ) can back me up with the clearances, i am more than willing to spend the time going thru each NCHI database and writing it up. I used to hold SC and CTC clearance, I'm a member of the RSS, and have a background as a researcher. You have more than enough money to do this and would be considerably better than shovelling drugs up your nose while you wank.
Or you can keep posting here in an outraged manner. Up to you.
That's a great try but I predict he will plump for the 'continue with the low info high bp posting on here' option.
"This didn't happen overnight. It took years and years for people on the Left to construct the censorship machinery that inevitably led to police knocking on a journalist's door for something she posted on social media.
These bigots HATE that you might think differently and NOTHING will change their thinking until the Right grabs hold of this machinery and turns it on them."
The world was a happier place when people like you were off their tits on class A drugs, whilst drinking and shagging with gay abandon. The side effect of coming off the all time high has been a propensity for miserable prejudice against anyone they believe might be having a nicer time than themselves.
ALSO, I'm genuinely unsure that anyone is having a nicer time than me
Well, we've just bought a building plot and are about to embark on a 2-3 year eco-build adventure. Meanwhile we're living in a rented cottage looking out over beautiful Dorset valley.
So all good here, thanks for asking.
Good luck!
Thanks! And thanks for the pointer to BuildHub (I think it was you who put me on to it) - it's a great resource.
Is that like pornhub, but for people with a specific fetish?
More or less. But not so much as Grand Designs, and we don't need our models to be completely divorced from reality.
(Speaking as a moderator on Buildhub.)
Apols (and to MaxPB), it was you who pointed me towards Buildhub - great site, thanks!
And who could possibly have guessed it would be this group who were first to realise what they have done?
Sunder Katwala (sundersays) @sundersays.bsky.social · 1h The cofounder of Muslims for Trump tells Reuters that he is disappointed to discover the president-elect's position on the US approach to Israel, Palestine and the Middle East
But did they vote that way in the key rust belt states?
Stein got:
PA: 0.5% MI: 0.8% WI: 0.4%
I thought there were a lot of Muslims in these states, particularly Michigan. So the actual Stein vote in those states appears lower than would have been expected if the poll was correct.
Incidentally, even if 100% of the Stein vote had gone to Harris, Trump would still have won all three states (and Harris needed to win them all).
To be fair to the egregious Ms Pearson - I'll believe the police when they publish the footage and it's confirmed by an independent party to be genuine. And not one second before.
It is possible they simply have different slants on the incident.
And it's possible of course that they're all lying.
It'll be interesting to see how much of the full encounter the cams caught.
Its not like its a volatile incident happening without notice. It is a meeting with a senior antagonistic journalist at ta time of the police's choosing. There is near zero chance they don't have all of it.
The police won't have mentioned non crime hate crime, they might have mentioned hate crime but more likely public order act 1986 (yes that is how long this has been the status quo). Pearson will think she has committed no crime and is therefore justified in calling it a no crime hate crime.
"A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby."
As an aside, I have never understood how chanting 'from the river to the sea' does not meet this description. As it seems to be 'threatening, abusive and insulting', and also in my view invokes racial hatred against the Jewish people.
I'm intrigued by your view darkage and tbh I don't think I've ever fully understood the opprobrium chanting 'from the river to the sea' receives.
If someone has a view that the creation of the Isreali state was wrong* and the land should revert to being a Palestinian state is there any legitimate way in which they can protest?
Andy McDonald was suspended from the Labour Party after stating in a pro-Palestine rally speech: "We won't rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty". The party described McDonald's comment as "deeply offensive". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#Usage
What's 'deeply offensive' about wishing that 'all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty'?
(*For the avoidance of doubt, I fully support Isreal's right to exist.)
A belief that the creation of Israel was 'wrong' is inherently meaningless unless the believer can spell out the method by which they hope to change it. In the British context it would be equivalent to the belief that a multiracial society is 'wrong' and that we should revert to the all-white status quo ante. Anyone espousing such a view should be tasked with explaining how they propose to make it happen. Or stfu.
I believe it's called "ethnic cleansing". FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARITY AND NOT GETTING BANNED, I AM NOT ESPOUSING IT, merely stating the facts
Ethnic cleansing has absolutely happened, many times, in history, so it is foolish to claim it is impossible. In some situations you can argue that it has been beneficial - eg the swapping of Greek/Turkish populations in the 1920s so as to make Turkey echt Turkish and Greece echt Greek was arguably a success, even though much suffering was caused en route
It largely brought to an end a bloody and seething conflict which had endured for many decades
Carry on like that and you'll be banned for EXCESSIVE USE OF CAPITALS ;-)
London, Seoul, Manila, Yerevan, Tbilisi, Paris…
Back in London now. My journey from Sirgao island to Heathrow took 28 fucking hours. EEEEEK
And when I arrived at LHR at 6.40 this morning I was greeted with the news that Sadiq Khan has suspended all Heathrow Express and Liz Line services for the weekend
So a £100 taxi it was
Still, it's nice to be home. I have unwrapped my souvenirs and they all look very fancy in my kitchen
Too proud for the Picaddily line?
I just can't bear that procession of null places. Hounslow. Hounslow Central. Osterley, Northfields. Where and what the fuck is "Northfields"
After my glorious procession around Japan, Korea and the Pihilippines a slow Tube through "Northfields" would have been bathetic and intolerable. So I caught a fast black and as it was so early it was indeed fast. And pricey. Fuck it. I haven't spent a penny of my own money for weeks
The line will be much improved within about 12 months when they install the new hi-tech carriages. The current ones date from 1975.
My mainline East-Midlands are currently talking about new carriages. It's the classic Rail Network "What can we do to help? Ooops it's too late !" routine. As seen recently for accessible buses nearly everywhere.
But the buggers are proposing the types they have on I think a couple of lines down South where there are only two bike spaces, and you have to hang it from a hook 1.6m up on the wall.
Nightmare for disabled / more elderly / adapted cycle / smaller people, partly because they can't use the facility, and then because the disabled spaces will be full of cycles there is nowhere to place, and the limitations will mean that it may be the end of bookable spaces.
And once it's in, we're stuck with it for another 30 years.
As you may have read in the recent Pedals' newsletter, East Midlands Railway (EMR) are introducing new trains, initially for 'Intercity' (i.e. the London St. Pancras run) but later for the 'Regional Fleet'.
The new class 810 Hitachi AT300 Intercity 5 carriage train, currently in test and due to begin introduction in 2025, has only TWO spaces for cycles, using hooks for vertical storage.
For greater detail on these points, please see below, the reply to Pedals' first email to EMR and our response, saying why they should change their plans.
EMR's second reply failed to engage with our points, saying as the trains are now being tested it is too late to change the design. They should change this detail now as they would a technical error found during test that affected operation. Delaying correction will increase the financial cost to the business (potentially the tax payer after the planned re-nationalisation), ignoring the broader societal costs which, of course, are more compelling in themselves.
Once the new trains are in service with this short-termist limitation, the life-span could be decades. The current '222' Meridian trains came into service in 2004!
Nightmare ! It's not as if this stuff is difficult. If anyone wants to weigh in, you can PM me.
(Pedals is the Nottingham Cycling Group.)
The AT300 trains very much depend on how they're fitted out, I think - the AT300-based Class 395 trains on the HS1 line to Kent are decent enough, with a dedicated bike zone behind the drivers cab at each end. But the ones used by GWR (Class 800?) with the vertical hanger things are dreadful, I agree.
So it really ought to be possible to fix them at the next refurb - even if it really is too late to get EMR to change the design now. Definitely worth continuing to badger them about it.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
To be honest unless you work with children or are a doctor or social worker an enhanced DBS check is unlikely to be made on you. Though I take your point these incidents take up too much police time
Even if they didn't, it's still entirely wrong to harass people for perceived non-crimes just because you object to their views or some other entirely subjective ground.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
If you are willing to pay me and if some of the politicos on this website (@NickPalmer, @Tissue_Price, @RochdalePioneers, @JohnO ) can back me up with the clearances, i am more than willing to spend the time going thru each NCHI database and writing it up. I used to hold SC and CTC clearance, I'm a member of the RSS, and have a background as a researcher. You have more than enough money to do this and would be considerably better than shovelling drugs up your nose while you wank.
Or you can keep posting here in an outraged manner. Up to you.
This sounds like an excellent opportunity for some proper investigative journalism.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
To be honest unless you work with children or are a doctor or social worker an enhanced DBS check is unlikely to be made on you. Though I take your point these incidents take up too much police time
Even if they didn't, it's still entirely wrong to harass people for perceived non-crimes just because you object to their views or some other entirely subjective ground.
The problem is Public Order Act and Online Safety Bill and Malicious Communications Act offences can be interpreted widely and have been by the courts. The police only act on what laws Parliament has passed and how the judges interpret them
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
To be honest unless you work with children or are a doctor or social worker an enhanced DBS check is unlikely to be made on you. Though I take your point these incidents take up too much police time
They're not included on an enhanced DBS unless they're directly relevant to the job being applied for. Eg, if someone was applying to work at a Jewish primary school, it would seem reasonable to divulge an NCHI record of antisemitic abuse which didn't lead to charges being pressed.
It's also subject to the usual GDPR protections under the DPA 2018, so Pearson should do a Subject Access Request rather than simply moaning on Twitter.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Nothing you have written there contradicts what Leon/FSU wrote.
And what evidence do you have that the Police are actually abiding by that ruling in their day to day actions? Certainly there are still plenty of cases being reported that appear to be in direct contradiiction to that guidance. And given that there is no actual court case to appeal so appealing these NCHIs takes a lot of effort, on top of which most people are cowed by the police and will not challenge them, I suspect that the Police don't really think they are going to get caught out.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
Given the SNP have already taken Orwellian to a whole new level I can understand you being a little confused by the concern about this.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
He really is just too common, even if you never go you accept the honorary membership. It is rude to turn it down
Maybe he just hates golf. He goes up in my estimation if that is the case.
Besides, who is benefitting out of this arrangement? Not Starmer unless he is a committed Golfer. It is just a way for the golf club to feather its own nest.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
What’s the FSU’s track record on defending free speech on Palestine and criticism of Israel, Zionism etc?
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
What’s the FSU’s track record on defending free speech on Palestine and criticism of Israel, Zionism etc?
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
There’s an analysis that says that the US has seen many culture wars over the years, and sometimes the conservatives get a win and sometimes the progressives get a win, but at the end of the day, slavery has now been abolished, Jim Crow is gone, Italian immigrants have been integrated, Mexican immigrants have been integrated, women have equal rights, homosexuality is legal and you can have a gay marriage, etc. etc. etc. Jackson, Taft, Coolidge, Reagan all came and went. Ultimately, the progressives get most of what they want.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
He really is just too common, even if you never go you accept the honorary membership. It is rude to turn it down
What did you make of Reeves delivering the budget without a tumbler of whisky?
That was England gone, I thought.
When was the last chancellor to actually do that? I don't think Brown ever did it, so maybe Ken Clarke? Howe?
Churchill, of course, pre-loaded Champagne before his budgets but proceeded to cognac during them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Asquith had at least a bottle and a half of claret in him when he did his....
He really is just too common, even if you never go you accept the honorary membership. It is rude to turn it down
Maybe he just hates golf. He goes up in my estimation if that is the case.
Besides, who is benefitting out of this arrangement? Not Starmer unless he is a committed Golfer. It is just a way for the golf club to feather its own nest.
Reflecting, it could potentially be a disadvantage if he wanted to play a round of golf with Mr Trump after breakfast.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
If the police come to your door talking about a non-crime hate incident you politely tell them that since they have told you it is a non-crime you have no obligation to talk to them. If they wish to write to you then they are free to do so, you will pass the letter onto your solicitor who will reply.
That’s is useful to know. This is not, according to Essex Police, what happened to Allison Pearson. They never mentioned non-crime hate incidents, and they say they have video to back that up.
Given the history of the police blatent lying to protect their reputation or get others (including Government ministers) into trouble, I wouldn't them as far as I could throw them. Nor would I trust their transcripts. If they want to prove themselves they should release the footage for everyone to see.
Can they just do that without Pearson’s permission?
He really is just too common, even if you never go you accept the honorary membership. It is rude to turn it down
So confusing. One minute he's the son of a wealthy business owner, the next he's "just too common".
He was son of a toolmaker, a small businessman, not that Starmer Jr seems very keen on them now either.
I suspect the Golf Club was the first club that ever invited him to be a member, he certainly wouldn't even have made the waiting list of the Reform Club or the Athenaeum or the Savile Club or the MCC before becoming PM, let alone the Carlton Club and Whites (not that I expect he would have wanted to join the latter anyway).
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
What’s the FSU’s track record on defending free speech on Palestine and criticism of Israel, Zionism etc?
I have no idea and give even less of a fuck
Fair enough, just wanted to clarify that it was defence of a particular pov rather than a principle that you’re bothered about.
I’m sure Toby & co will be all over the right to post this.
If the police come to your door talking about a non-crime hate incident you politely tell them that since they have told you it is a non-crime you have no obligation to talk to them. If they wish to write to you then they are free to do so, you will pass the letter onto your solicitor who will reply.
That’s is useful to know. This is not, according to Essex Police, what happened to Allison Pearson. They never mentioned non-crime hate incidents, and they say they have video to back that up.
Given the history of the police blatent lying to protect their reputation or get others (including Government ministers) into trouble, I wouldn't them as far as I could throw them. Nor would I trust their transcripts. If they want to prove themselves they should release the footage for everyone to see.
Can they just do that without Pearson’s permission?
Not according to the law, but the police don't really seem too hot on putting basic technical restrictions in place to actually enforce that.
There'd be no need for Pearson to get permission, though, so she could easily do a SAR and release it herself.
He really is just too common, even if you never go you accept the honorary membership. It is rude to turn it down
What did you make of Reeves delivering the budget without a tumbler of whisky?
That was England gone, I thought.
When was the last chancellor to actually do that? I don't think Brown ever did it, so maybe Ken Clarke? Howe?
Churchill, of course, pre-loaded Champagne before his budgets but proceeded to cognac during them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Asquith had at least a bottle and a half of claret in him when he did his....
Yes, just kidding with hyufd there. Ken Clarke was the last, I think.
He really is just too common, even if you never go you accept the honorary membership. It is rude to turn it down
What did you make of Reeves delivering the budget without a tumbler of whisky?
That was England gone, I thought.
When was the last chancellor to actually do that? I don't think Brown ever did it, so maybe Ken Clarke? Howe?
Churchill, of course, pre-loaded Champagne before his budgets but proceeded to cognac during them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Asquith had at least a bottle and a half of claret in him when he did his....
Yes, just kidding with hyufd there. Ken Clarke was the last, I think.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
There’s an analysis that says that the US has seen many culture wars over the years, and sometimes the conservatives get a win and sometimes the progressives get a win, but at the end of the day, slavery has now been abolished, Jim Crow is gone, Italian immigrants have been integrated, Mexican immigrants have been integrated, women have equal rights, homosexuality is legal and you can have a gay marriage, etc. etc. etc. Jackson, Taft, Coolidge, Reagan all came and went. Ultimately, the progressives get most of what they want.
Yes, but the opponents of equality have not changed their spots.
They fought a Civil Wat to keep slaves in slavery. Then they introduced all kinds of tests to stop freed slaves from getting their voting rights. Then we had the KKK and the rest, defending segregation. Then it needed the Voting Rights Act in the 1960s to give equal votes. And even now we have unlawful measures targeted at undermining black rights to vote.
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
You aren't alone. AOC of the "squad" has removed her pronouns from her social media bios. She's the most far leftist woke warrior in the Democratic party and she's given up.
The pronouns thing was something I wasn’t particularly bothered about. Making others feel like they should I don’t agree with but it you want to is that a problem?
Anyway, I strongly feel it’s over. We will go back to the centre now, especially in this country.
Let trans people live in peace. Protect single sex spaces. Protect sports. Job done.
It needs to go a lot further than that, dismantle all ESG/DEI initiatives and regulatory reporting requirements for companies, stand behind companies who seek profit rather than some ephemeral idea of "social good" when the idiots at the activist charities come after them, call time on black history month, pride month and all that rainbow warrior nonsense. End all positive discrimination in hiring and for university spots, outlaw it - the best candidate should always get the job/place based on ability, skill and realised potential.
We should live in a country where the colour of someone's skin doesn't give them any disadvantages or advantages. The idea is ridiculous.
How do we stop utterly mediocre posh boys like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and countless others sliding into their usual positions of power on the back of who their parents are and who they met when they went to school?
The conveyor belt that takes people who would not get close to where they do if talent and ability were the deciding factors from school through university to positions of significant influence and responsibility has done far more damage to this country over a far longer period than the odd DEI programme.
Ha. Haven’t you noticed? The posh boys have left. The apparatus of state is controlled by people who are far closer the Cressida Dick.
We have replaced the nepotistic incompetence of the Old10K with the nepotistic* incompetence of the NU10K.
So on one level with have some diversity. On the other, the mind set is curiously similar. Oh, some of the nostrums they parrot are different.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Met has the cleaning lady polish his awards for AntiRacism now and again. While protecting the officers who illegally strip searched black teenagers… Savage didn’t go to Oxbridge, is that something?
Meet the new bosses. Bit shinier and more colourful than the old bosses. But so very familiar, somehow.
*check out the social connections of the new elite.
Hmmm
The percentage of posh boys at the top of British society - in all its facets - remains extraordinarily high: from the media through politics to finance and the law. Funnily enough, policing is probably one area where they have always been less influential. Probably because it has involved starting at the bottom. Daddy can't have a word and secure you a chief inspectors role.
Non posh boys but even more useless Starmer and Reeves are our PM and Chancellor now, at least Boris won a landslide majority and got Brexit and the vaccines done and Rishi cleared up the mess of non Posh girl Truss
Starmer's majority is bigger than Johnson's. It's more than twice as big.
Solely because of the divide on the right between Tories and Reform, he got 10% lower voteshare than Boris and is already well below where Boris was even when he resigned in polls now.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
Well this left wing class warrior with a chip on his shoulder vastly prefers Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson.
Some political opponents generate respect even when we disagree with them. Others do not.
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
Different world now though. There's going to be a radical and popular contemporary left alternative to all this 'national populist' crap but we don't have it yet. It's difficult because we have to eshew xenophobia and nostalgia (both of which are voter magnets) but it's coming. I know it is.
There already has been, Jeremy Corbyn (plus Bernie Sanders in the US and Melenchon in France)
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
There’s an analysis that says that the US has seen many culture wars over the years, and sometimes the conservatives get a win and sometimes the progressives get a win, but at the end of the day, slavery has now been abolished, Jim Crow is gone, Italian immigrants have been integrated, Mexican immigrants have been integrated, women have equal rights, homosexuality is legal and you can have a gay marriage, etc. etc. etc. Jackson, Taft, Coolidge, Reagan all came and went. Ultimately, the progressives get most of what they want.
Yes, but the opponents of equality have not changed their spots.
They fought a Civil Wat to keep slaves in slavery. Then they introduced all kinds of tests to stop freed slaves from getting their voting rights. Then we had the KKK and the rest, defending segregation. Then it needed the Voting Rights Act in the 1960s to give equal votes. And even now we have unlawful measures targeted at undermining black rights to vote.
The war has not been comprehensively won. Yet.
Yes, your side is still fiercely fighting for the right to castrate, mutilate and sterilise children. Well done
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
What’s the FSU’s track record on defending free speech on Palestine and criticism of Israel, Zionism etc?
I have no idea and give even less of a fuck
Fair enough, just wanted to clarify that it was defence of a particular pov rather than a principle that you’re bothered about.
I’m sure Toby & co will be all over the right to post this.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Is rather more off than that.
I have some sympathy with Tobes on this, even though I disagree on much. He's got off his backside and made some useful things happen to keep overreach in check, even if mainly in a partisan manner.
But he's off on the history, and trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The genesis of recording 'hate incidents' (crimes and incidents) afaik is around the Stephen Lawrence Enquiry Report in 1993, when they found that information to support the investigation had been inadequate to support the needed policing. Under a Conservative Government.
Recommendation 21: (Note that it is Incidents as well as Crimes)
21. That the MPS review their procedures for the recording and retention of information in relation to incidents and crimes, to ensure that adequate records are made by individual officers and specialist units in relation to their functions, and that strict rules require the retention of all such records as long as an investigation remains open.
That approach has been broadened to cover other protected characteristics alongside race. And it has evolved in other directions, and on occasions in ways which are 'convenient' but imo beyond acceptable scope.
For me that is a basic necessity, which is a different issue to amateurishness and overreach. That has occurred in different ways under all Governments since.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
What’s the FSU’s track record on defending free speech on Palestine and criticism of Israel, Zionism etc?
Leon is one of the best advertisements for wokeness that there is, since he so often demonstrates the alternative of being an ignorant bigoted twat. Compared to which, being woke seems so much nicer.
There's nothing nice about wokeness. The only reason you support it is because, at the moment, it happens to align with your views. If it turned against your views, you'd suddenly be just as much against it as everyone else.
Leon is one of the best advertisements for wokeness that there is, since he so often demonstrates the alternative of being an ignorant bigoted twat. Compared to which, being woke seems so much nicer.
There's nothing nice about wokeness. The only reason you support it is because, at the moment, it happens to align with your views. If it turned against your views, you'd suddenly be just as much against it as everyone else.
This is the culture war redux: one side sneering at the other side’s extremes and generalising the entire other side from them.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
The next rightwing government, be it Reform or Tory or a combo of both, absolutely MUST enshrine Free Speech in law, like the US Constitution
The FSU is complaining about 2014 since when there have been five Conservative Prime Ministers. Why do you imagine the next one will care about freedom of speech?
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
And, as ever, working "beyond their powers" to protect Muslims, minorities and others, and penalise the right, the rest, the majority, it really is Two Tier policing and a lot of us have had enough
The next rightwing government, be it Reform or Tory or a combo of both, absolutely MUST enshrine Free Speech in law, like the US Constitution
The FSU is complaining about 2014 since when there have been five Conservative Prime Ministers. Why do you imagine the next one will care about freedom of speech?
He said must, not will. You may remember the complaint about the last Con government tbat it made a lot of right wing noise without actually doing anything right wing (thereby alienating everyone).
The next rightwing government, be it Reform or Tory or a combo of both, absolutely MUST enshrine Free Speech in law, like the US Constitution
The FSU is complaining about 2014 since when there have been five Conservative Prime Ministers. Why do you imagine the next one will care about freedom of speech?
Which is absolutely fair. The Tories had 14 years to do something - to do a lot - about all this, and they did fuck all. They did not remotely roll back the capture of the institutions by the Woke Left, they barely started it
Which is why we need something like a British Trump (not Boris)
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
And, as ever, working "beyond their powers" to protect Muslims, minorities and others, and penalise the right, the rest, the majority, it really is Two Tier policing and a lot of us have had enough
For context the FSU was founded by eugenicist Toby Young.
The Free Speech Union on "non hate crime incidents"
"In response to freedom of information requests, police forces across Britain have revealed that 'non-crime hate incidents' (NCHIs) are being logged against people in authority doing their jobs. Examples include:
❌ An NCHI recorded against a doctor in West Yorkshire after a patient alleged they were misdiagnosed "because they were bisexual".
❌ A journalist's article about his interview with a "deaf and dumb" scooterist being reported to the police as a hate incident.
❌ A social worker was also reported to the police in Lancashire over claims she had abused her position and racially discriminated against the victim by preventing her from seeing her children.
In 2014, the College of Policing — a taxpayer-funded quango — came up with the concept of the NCHI in its 'Hate Crime Operational Guidance'. As defined in this document, an NCHI is any incident perceived by the victim or any bystanders to be motivated by hostility or prejudice to the victim based on a 'protected' characteristic (race or perceived race, religion or perceived religion, and so on).
For the avoidance of doubt, non-crime hate incidents really are as Orwellian as they sound. They aren't anonymised, and sit forever against the names of the alleged perpetrators without any real investigation or right of appeal. In addition, if one is recorded against your name it can show up on an enhanced criminal records check and prevent you from getting a job.
That's right, you might not get a job because someone 'perceives' you've committed a 'non-crime'.
Here's a short 🧵detailing some of the most egregious of the 250,000+ NCHIs we estimate the police in England and Wales have logged since 2014..."
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL
In fact it's fucking sinister and Orwellian and we need rid of this shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents … In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Next stage, pointing out that the Free Speech Union maybe a little economical with the actualité is an attack on free speech.
The FSU is a great and necessary innovation and they win an awful lot of cases
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
It's the usual phenomenon of the police acting beyond their powers. I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not). Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
And, as ever, working "beyond their powers" to protect Muslims, minorities and others, and penalise the right, the rest, the majority, it really is Two Tier policing and a lot of us have had enough
For context the FSU was founded by eugenicist Toby Young.
IMO that "eugenicist" was mainly a tactical, partisan smear.
I hope the farmers are successful in getting the government to back down on their inheritance tax policy.
Feels to me like Starmer's govt has few policies, but that they could all unravel quite quickly:
If no growth - will have to cut budgets Trump could pretty much reverse thinking on Chagos decision If confidence in government debt continues to be weak, they'll have to rethink climate expenditure Assisted dying bill could flounder
etc etc etc
Its just a continuation of Brownian-Sunakite fag end governments. Very, very disappointing
Well as somebody on the left who is sympathetic to the “culture war” I’m saying I’ve given up. I can’t be alone in that thought.
GE2024 was barely about culture, that issue as far as I can see seems to be receding.
You won, I lost. It’s the economy that matters now - and funnily enough that is all that SKS seems to be focussing on?
There’s an analysis that says that the US has seen many culture wars over the years, and sometimes the conservatives get a win and sometimes the progressives get a win, but at the end of the day, slavery has now been abolished, Jim Crow is gone, Italian immigrants have been integrated, Mexican immigrants have been integrated, women have equal rights, homosexuality is legal and you can have a gay marriage, etc. etc. etc. Jackson, Taft, Coolidge, Reagan all came and went. Ultimately, the progressives get most of what they want.
Yes, but the opponents of equality have not changed their spots.
They fought a Civil Wat to keep slaves in slavery. Then they introduced all kinds of tests to stop freed slaves from getting their voting rights. Then we had the KKK and the rest, defending segregation. Then it needed the Voting Rights Act in the 1960s to give equal votes. And even now we have unlawful measures targeted at undermining black rights to vote.
The war has not been comprehensively won. Yet.
Yes, your side is still fiercely fighting for the right to castrate, mutilate and sterilise children. Well done
I hope the farmers are successful in getting the government to back down on their inheritance tax policy.
Feels to me like Starmer's govt has few policies, but that they could all unravel quite quickly:
If no growth - will have to cut budgets Trump could pretty much reverse thinking on Chagos decision If confidence in government debt continues to be weak, they'll have to rethink climate expenditure Assisted dying bill could flounder
etc etc etc
Its just a continuation of Brownian-Sunakite fag end governments. Very, very disappointing
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Or you can keep posting here in an outraged manner. Up to you.
Besides, she needs a haircut to see what she is doing.
But the buggers are proposing the types they have on I think a couple of lines down South where there are only two bike spaces, and you have to hang it from a hook 1.6m up on the wall.
Nightmare for disabled / more elderly / adapted cycle / smaller people, partly because they can't use the facility, and then because the disabled spaces will be full of cycles there is nowhere to place, and the limitations will mean that it may be the end of bookable spaces.
And once it's in, we're stuck with it for another 30 years.
As you may have read in the recent Pedals' newsletter, East Midlands Railway (EMR) are introducing new trains, initially for 'Intercity' (i.e. the London St. Pancras run) but later for the 'Regional Fleet'.
The new class 810 Hitachi AT300 Intercity 5 carriage train, currently in test and due to begin introduction in 2025, has only TWO spaces for cycles, using hooks for vertical storage.
For greater detail on these points, please see below, the reply to Pedals' first email to EMR and our response, saying why they should change their plans.
EMR's second reply failed to engage with our points, saying as the trains are now being tested it is too late to change the design. They should change this detail now as they would a technical error found during test that affected operation. Delaying correction will increase the financial cost to the business (potentially the tax payer after the planned re-nationalisation), ignoring the broader societal costs which, of course, are more compelling in themselves.
Once the new trains are in service with this short-termist limitation, the life-span could be decades. The current '222' Meridian trains came into service in 2004!
Nightmare ! It's not as if this stuff is difficult. If anyone wants to weigh in, you can PM me.
(Pedals is the Nottingham Cycling Group.)
This honestly makes me think there's a market for a new type of Dem that's just nakedly in favor of econ growth, building, law and order, the military, etc - all the boring cringe median voter stuff - and who makes it their brand to tell nonprofits and foundations to go suck it.
https://x.com/ryan_metheny/status/1857498707773587957
"Kamala Harris but she wasn't Joe Biden's Vice President" seems like a really strong candidate
https://x.com/MC_of_A/status/1857824071876006392
Do you consider yourself to be 'reliable' on this topic btw? Because I'm not sure you are.
(Speaking as a moderator on Buildhub.)
David Brooks (Atlantic) talking to Bulwark podcast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Policing#Non-crime_hate_incidents
… In December 2021, the Court of Appeal ruled that this guidance was unlawful and constituted a "chilling effect ... on the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression".[11] As a result, the guidance now states that freedom of speech should be prioritised where possible and that non-crime hate incidents should not be recorded where they are "trivial, irrational or malicious, or where there is no basis to conclude that an incident was motivated by hostility."[12]..
Stein got:
PA: 0.5%
MI: 0.8%
WI: 0.4%
I thought there were a lot of Muslims in these states, particularly Michigan. So the actual Stein vote in those states appears lower than would have been expected if the poll was correct.
Incidentally, even if 100% of the Stein vote had gone to Harris, Trump would still have won all three states (and Harris needed to win them all).
So it really ought to be possible to fix them at the next refurb - even if it really is too late to get EMR to change the design now. Definitely worth continuing to badger them about it.
Since 2000 posh boy PMs have been Blair, Cameron, Johnson and Sunak.
Non posh boy state educated PMs have been Brown, May, Truss and Starmer (at least state until 6th form).
I think it is fair to say the posh boys win that one.
The last really effective non posh boy PM was of course Thatcher who leftwing class warriors with a chip on their shoulder despise even more than posh boy Tories anyway
The whole idea of "non crime hate incidents" is appallingly wrong headed. Get RID
The Telegraph is furious that Keir Starmer DID NOT take a freebie.
Full piece:
https://archive.ph/F6Y0Y
It's also subject to the usual GDPR protections under the DPA 2018, so Pearson should do a Subject Access Request rather than simply moaning on Twitter.
And what evidence do you have that the Police are actually abiding by that ruling in their day to day actions? Certainly there are still plenty of cases being reported that appear to be in direct contradiiction to that guidance. And given that there is no actual court case to appeal so appealing these NCHIs takes a lot of effort, on top of which most people are cowed by the police and will not challenge them, I suspect that the Police don't really think they are going to get caught out.
That was England gone, I thought.
https://bsky.app/starter-pack-short/CUxDzcc
(This will probably drive @Leon away screaming
Give me a proper Left WIng Labour MP of 40 or 50 years ago any day over the PPE warriors of today.
https://youtu.be/yA5QlaFywOA?t=1079
Besides, who is benefitting out of this arrangement? Not Starmer unless he is a committed Golfer. It is just a way for the golf club to feather its own nest.
Golf is a vaguely amusing game but has become a social and geographical blight in my view.
“Wife of prominent trans writer hacked father to death with ice ax after Trump’s election night victory: cops”
Churchill, of course, pre-loaded Champagne before his budgets but proceeded to cognac during them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Asquith had at least a bottle and a half of claret in him when he did his....
It's on Wendover Road, Aylesbury. We lived on Aylesbury Road, Wendover when my Dad was posted to Halton
I wonder if my Dad ever played there. He'd taken up golf a couple of years before when we moved to Leuchars, just down the road from St Andrews
I suspect the Golf Club was the first club that ever invited him to be a member, he certainly wouldn't even have made the waiting list of the Reform Club or the Athenaeum or the Savile Club or the MCC before becoming PM, let alone the Carlton Club and Whites (not that I expect he would have wanted to join the latter anyway).
I’m sure Toby & co will be all over the right to post this.
https://x.com/tom___scott/status/1857819174698901647?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
There'd be no need for Pearson to get permission, though, so she could easily do a SAR and release it herself.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-2021-drinking-commons-chancellor-b1946381.html
That's quite an interesting article in itself.
They fought a Civil Wat to keep slaves in slavery.
Then they introduced all kinds of tests to stop freed slaves from getting their voting rights.
Then we had the KKK and the rest, defending segregation.
Then it needed the Voting Rights Act in the 1960s to give equal votes.
And even now we have unlawful measures targeted at undermining black rights to vote.
The war has not been comprehensively won. Yet.
I have some sympathy with Tobes on this, even though I disagree on much. He's got off his backside and made some useful things happen to keep overreach in check, even if mainly in a partisan manner.
But he's off on the history, and trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The genesis of recording 'hate incidents' (crimes and incidents) afaik is around the Stephen Lawrence Enquiry Report in 1993, when they found that information to support the investigation had been inadequate to support the needed policing. Under a Conservative Government.
Recommendation 21: (Note that it is Incidents as well as Crimes)
21. That the MPS review their procedures for the recording and retention of information in relation to incidents and crimes, to ensure that adequate records are made by individual officers and specialist units in relation to their functions, and that strict rules require the retention of all such records as long as an investigation remains open.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c2af540f0b645ba3c7202/4262.pdf
That approach has been broadened to cover other protected characteristics alongside race. And it has evolved in other directions, and on occasions in ways which are 'convenient' but imo beyond acceptable scope.
For me that is a basic necessity, which is a different issue to amateurishness and overreach. That has occurred in different ways under all Governments since.
https://x.com/realtalk4uhater/status/1856916123171647530?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
https://x.com/historyinmemes/status/1857491531638444163
(Though I think it's more a form of slip forming?)
So much for free speech.
Both sides are at it.
Everyone should have one. And so much classier than an air fryer.
https://youtu.be/v1hgXlWlA98?si=D9V8J9ix2NCt6wP8
(Victor Borge's first ever film!)
I stayed in Mumbai for months for work, but just visited the other places
I was merely pointing out that the law is somewhat different to what the FSU piece you posted implies.
Someone sensible (that's the hard bit) needs to take a look at how complaints to the police are recorded and retained (or not).
Just not doing so leads to the kind of institutional blindness that, in other contexts, you would rail against.
Army of tractors descends on Llandudno to protest against Labour’s inheritance tax'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/16/farmers-besiege-welsh-labour-conference-llandudno/
You may remember the complaint about the last Con government tbat it made a lot of right wing noise without actually doing anything right wing (thereby alienating everyone).
Which is why we need something like a British Trump (not Boris)
If no growth - will have to cut budgets
Trump could pretty much reverse thinking on Chagos decision
If confidence in government debt continues to be weak, they'll have to rethink climate expenditure
Assisted dying bill could flounder
etc
etc
etc
Its just a continuation of Brownian-Sunakite fag end governments. Very, very disappointing
https://www.farminglife.com/country-and-farming/farmers-for-action-to-attend-london-protest-on-tuesday-19-november-4863528