Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
There is a hadith that goes: خَمْسٌ فَوَاسِقُ يُقْتَلْنَ فِي الْحَرَمِ الْفَأْرَةُ وَالْعَقْرَبُ وَالْحُدَيَّا وَالْغُرَابُ وَالْكَلْبُ الْعَقُورُ
“Five are the vicious and harmful things which should be killed even within the precincts of Haram: rats, scorpions, crows, kites and mad dogs.”
So, indeed, no, Islam is not a pro-dog religion. It is however a very pro-cat religion. Mohammed had a pet cat Muezza and, in one story, cut off the sleeve of his garment rather than disturb Muezza when he had to go pray. (However, the authenticity of this story is not widely accepted.) In another story, someone saw Muezza drinking from the fountain set aside for ablutions before prayers. This was reported to Mohammed, who replied, “Cats have the cleanest mouths”. In yet another story, while Mohammed was praying, a cat killed a serpent that was going to attack him. Mohammed rewarded the cat, and all cats, by blessing them with the ability to land on their feet.
Tabby cats have an M marking on their foreheads. Some say this was a gift from Mohammed, but then there's the Catholic story that a tabby cat got too close to Jesus's crib and Mary lightly pushed it away by touching its forehead, leaving the M mark forever more. Both of these stories rather over-privilege the Latin alphabet's significance...
They probably love cats because the dirty little feckers go and shit on other people's lawns. Never their own.
If I ever founded a religion one of its founding principles would be, without getting into the Leon debate about pets, all domestic cat ownership would be verboten.
IIRC there is not a single reference to the domestic cat in the whole of either the Hebrew or the NT scriptures.
On the whole dogs, while mentioned, don't do well. The donkey of Palm Sunday (sadly not of the NT nativity account) does best of all.
Daniel had a bigger version .
Domesticated lions are subtly different from domestic cats. Bigger claws. Teeth.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
There is a hadith that goes: خَمْسٌ فَوَاسِقُ يُقْتَلْنَ فِي الْحَرَمِ الْفَأْرَةُ وَالْعَقْرَبُ وَالْحُدَيَّا وَالْغُرَابُ وَالْكَلْبُ الْعَقُورُ
“Five are the vicious and harmful things which should be killed even within the precincts of Haram: rats, scorpions, crows, kites and mad dogs.”
So, indeed, no, Islam is not a pro-dog religion. It is however a very pro-cat religion. Mohammed had a pet cat Muezza and, in one story, cut off the sleeve of his garment rather than disturb Muezza when he had to go pray. (However, the authenticity of this story is not widely accepted.) In another story, someone saw Muezza drinking from the fountain set aside for ablutions before prayers. This was reported to Mohammed, who replied, “Cats have the cleanest mouths”. In yet another story, while Mohammed was praying, a cat killed a serpent that was going to attack him. Mohammed rewarded the cat, and all cats, by blessing them with the ability to land on their feet.
Tabby cats have an M marking on their foreheads. Some say this was a gift from Mohammed, but then there's the Catholic story that a tabby cat got too close to Jesus's crib and Mary lightly pushed it away by touching its forehead, leaving the M mark forever more. Both of these stories rather over-privilege the Latin alphabet's significance...
They probably love cats because the dirty little feckers go and shit on other people's lawns. Never their own.
If I ever founded a religion one of its founding principles would be, without getting into the Leon debate about pets, all domestic cat ownership would be verboten.
IIRC there is not a single reference to the domestic cat in the whole of either the Hebrew or the NT scriptures.
On the whole dogs, while mentioned, don't do well. The donkey of Palm Sunday (sadly not of the NT nativity account) does best of all.
Daniel had a bigger version .
And there is ONE mention in the Apocrypha, in an argument about how Babylonian idols cannot be gods because, amongst other things, cats land on their heads. It's quite quixotic, even for 580BC.
Their faces become sooty from the smoke in the temple. Bats and swallows alight on their bodies and heads—any bird, and cats as well. Know, therefore, that they are not gods; do not fear them.
There is a bit of a follow back culture, and I'm shipping away at building a profile by following the followers of people who I know form twitter, and occasionally posting something interesting.
Kristen Holmes @KristenhCNN · 1h Nikki Haley says on her SiriusXM show she made clear she had no interest in joining Trump’s cabinet.
“His best friend, Steve Witkoff, came to our house in SC…He was like, ‘What do you want? Tell me what you want. Is there anything you want?’ I said, ‘There's nothing I want.’”
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
The Charedi community also regards dogs as unclean, and many will go out of their way to avoid coming into contact with one (crossing the street, or standing in a doorway to let it pass, etc). And, of course, Afro-Caribbeans historically tended to be wary of dogs but I don't think that's down to any sort of actual taboo as such.
I personally don't find dogs to be much of a problem in rural settings - it's more often urban parks and narrow paths where they're not kept under proper control. But I can definitely see how the "outdoors = dogs jumping up on you" association could be formed, so I don't think there's any harm in exploring ways to reassure people that the countryside isn't always like that.
I have sometimes been chased by, or barked at loudly, by dogs when out on my bike. Even chased by a Greyhound once in Chester Park who I realised I would never outrun but, thankfully, after I stopped and shouted “Fuck off” at it off it fucked.
But these have been in parks and on roads not in the countryside. similar to your experience.
A few months back I was running across our local playing fields (where dogs are banned) when an aggressive mid-sized dog came running up to me and nipped my leg. The owner slowly sauntered up, put the barking little shit onto a lead, and said: "It's just trying to protect me."
Going back to yesterday's conversation, dog owners like that should be put down.
Or "it's just his way of showing he likes you."
You've just reignited a memory which makes me increasingly angry as I get older. When I was 10, I was walking along the main road towards the sweet shop in the unremarkable middle class suburb where I grew up, and a woman and a dog - an Alsatian - on a lead were coming the other way. I spied the dog, and was instinctively wary, but told myself that the dog was on a lead so there was nothing to worry about. As I passed it, it leapt at me, knocking me over and raking its teeth down my back. My memory is fairly hazy, but I think my reaction was to curl myself into a ball and cry and hope the owner pulled the dog off. Which, she did. Fortunately, the mother of a schoolfriend was coming the other way, and saw the incident, saw me, helped me up, took me to the sweet shop and used the phone there o call my parents, who came and collected me and took me to hospital to get it checked out (no stitches needed, just a clean up and a tetanus shot). She did challenge the owner of the dog, who apparently replied that I shouldn't have gone so close to the dog - but honestly, as schoolfriend's mum said to me, I was as far from the dog as a six foot pavement with a wall on one side would allow. God, I was ten. The dog was bigger than I was. If that happened to my ten year old daughter I would be incandescent.
The woman was breaking the law and the police should have prosecuted.
The law requires the dog to be under control. It wisely says nothing about leads, since a dog off a lead is not necessarily out of control whereas one on a lead may be, as was the case here.
I should have thought your parents could have brought a private action without difficulty. Might have been worth a few bob, unless the owner was a 'straw man'.
I have no idea if there were any repercussions. My mum is not one to make a fuss. AFAIR, once the hospital had patched me up, she took my round to our neighbours - who was a police dog handler who had a house which seemed to be full of Alsatians (there were only three, but it was a small house and they were big dogs) in order that I didn't get any sort of fear of Alsatians. I would have thought, based on my memory of the fella, that the police dog handler might have taken a dim view of the incident and sought some follow up, but if he did it never came to my knowledge, and as I said my mum wasn't one to make a fuss and was generally of the view that dwelling on a thing did no good. I do remember the scars on my back causing some comment the next time I changed for PE. The more I reflect on this incident, the odder it gets. I may ask my parents about it.
I have a small scar on my face from when I was bitten by an Alsatian at the age of three. In mitigation, though, it was the family dog, and I was apparently whacking it over the head with a stick at the time; I have no recollection of the event and, thankfully, no great fear of dogs; also the scar makes me look slightly hard :-)
However, I do appreciate how badly some people are affected by the presence of dogs in public areas. I have one acquaintance, a young widow, who is unable to visit the local park with her family after her eldest was bitten when he was young, leaving the entire family terrified of dogs.
At one point will there be the US version of the 'Reichstag' fire?
Just supposing that the Jan 6th rioters had managed to get to Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and the rest - it was very close - any lawmakers being killed could have enabled Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
Hold your thoughts as this is what I was planning on covering on the next thread.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
At one point will there be the US version of the 'Reichstag' fire?
Just supposing that the Jan 6th rioters had managed to get to Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and the rest - it was very close - any lawmakers being killed could have enabled Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.
And Trump now has said he'll pardon all the Jan 6 rioters.
Off topic: Appointment for GP booked through new online triage system (Much better than previous), Doctor seen hour later, off to hospital for bloods, just looked on NHS app - results all there, no problems found. All done in 8 hours or so.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
The Charedi community also regards dogs as unclean, and many will go out of their way to avoid coming into contact with one (crossing the street, or standing in a doorway to let it pass, etc). And, of course, Afro-Caribbeans historically tended to be wary of dogs but I don't think that's down to any sort of actual taboo as such.
I personally don't find dogs to be much of a problem in rural settings - it's more often urban parks and narrow paths where they're not kept under proper control. But I can definitely see how the "outdoors = dogs jumping up on you" association could be formed, so I don't think there's any harm in exploring ways to reassure people that the countryside isn't always like that.
I have sometimes been chased by, or barked at loudly, by dogs when out on my bike. Even chased by a Greyhound once in Chester Park who I realised I would never outrun but, thankfully, after I stopped and shouted “Fuck off” at it off it fucked.
But these have been in parks and on roads not in the countryside. similar to your experience.
A few months back I was running across our local playing fields (where dogs are banned) when an aggressive mid-sized dog came running up to me and nipped my leg. The owner slowly sauntered up, put the barking little shit onto a lead, and said: "It's just trying to protect me."
Going back to yesterday's conversation, dog owners like that should be put down.
Or "it's just his way of showing he likes you."
You've just reignited a memory which makes me increasingly angry as I get older. When I was 10, I was walking along the main road towards the sweet shop in the unremarkable middle class suburb where I grew up, and a woman and a dog - an Alsatian - on a lead were coming the other way. I spied the dog, and was instinctively wary, but told myself that the dog was on a lead so there was nothing to worry about. As I passed it, it leapt at me, knocking me over and raking its teeth down my back. My memory is fairly hazy, but I think my reaction was to curl myself into a ball and cry and hope the owner pulled the dog off. Which, she did. Fortunately, the mother of a schoolfriend was coming the other way, and saw the incident, saw me, helped me up, took me to the sweet shop and used the phone there o call my parents, who came and collected me and took me to hospital to get it checked out (no stitches needed, just a clean up and a tetanus shot). She did challenge the owner of the dog, who apparently replied that I shouldn't have gone so close to the dog - but honestly, as schoolfriend's mum said to me, I was as far from the dog as a six foot pavement with a wall on one side would allow. God, I was ten. The dog was bigger than I was. If that happened to my ten year old daughter I would be incandescent.
The woman was breaking the law and the police should have prosecuted.
The law requires the dog to be under control. It wisely says nothing about leads, since a dog off a lead is not necessarily out of control whereas one on a lead may be, as was the case here.
I should have thought your parents could have brought a private action without difficulty. Might have been worth a few bob, unless the owner was a 'straw man'.
I have no idea if there were any repercussions. My mum is not one to make a fuss. AFAIR, once the hospital had patched me up, she took my round to our neighbours - who was a police dog handler who had a house which seemed to be full of Alsatians (there were only three, but it was a small house and they were big dogs) in order that I didn't get any sort of fear of Alsatians. I would have thought, based on my memory of the fella, that the police dog handler might have taken a dim view of the incident and sought some follow up, but if he did it never came to my knowledge, and as I said my mum wasn't one to make a fuss and was generally of the view that dwelling on a thing did no good. I do remember the scars on my back causing some comment the next time I changed for PE. The more I reflect on this incident, the odder it gets. I may ask my parents about it.
Whilst I appreciate her attitude it is probably not a good idea to let a dog-owner like this off so lightly. Unless you had done something to provoke the animal (I assume you did not) it wasn't safely under control and should not be out in that kind of environment. I expect the owner knew that.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
There is a hadith that goes: خَمْسٌ فَوَاسِقُ يُقْتَلْنَ فِي الْحَرَمِ الْفَأْرَةُ وَالْعَقْرَبُ وَالْحُدَيَّا وَالْغُرَابُ وَالْكَلْبُ الْعَقُورُ
“Five are the vicious and harmful things which should be killed even within the precincts of Haram: rats, scorpions, crows, kites and mad dogs.”
So, indeed, no, Islam is not a pro-dog religion. It is however a very pro-cat religion. Mohammed had a pet cat Muezza and, in one story, cut off the sleeve of his garment rather than disturb Muezza when he had to go pray. (However, the authenticity of this story is not widely accepted.) In another story, someone saw Muezza drinking from the fountain set aside for ablutions before prayers. This was reported to Mohammed, who replied, “Cats have the cleanest mouths”. In yet another story, while Mohammed was praying, a cat killed a serpent that was going to attack him. Mohammed rewarded the cat, and all cats, by blessing them with the ability to land on their feet.
Tabby cats have an M marking on their foreheads. Some say this was a gift from Mohammed, but then there's the Catholic story that a tabby cat got too close to Jesus's crib and Mary lightly pushed it away by touching its forehead, leaving the M mark forever more. Both of these stories rather over-privilege the Latin alphabet's significance...
They probably love cats because the dirty little feckers go and shit on other people's lawns. Never their own.
If I ever founded a religion one of its founding principles would be, without getting into the Leon debate about pets, all domestic cat ownership would be verboten.
IIRC there is not a single reference to the domestic cat in the whole of either the Hebrew or the NT scriptures.
On the whole dogs, while mentioned, don't do well. The donkey of Palm Sunday (sadly not of the NT nativity account) does best of all.
Daniel had a bigger version .
Domesticated lions are subtly different from domestic cats. Bigger claws. Teeth.
Indeed, as mentioned yesterday, the (former) Rector of Stiffkey Harold Davidson was mauled to death by one (a lion) in 1937. It was called Freddie. He stood on its tail.
As the local pub is called the Red Lion, he has a plaque on it.
He was a former actor: "Exit, pursued by ...". Clearly he was the slowest runner present.
He sounds like @Leon 's grandad. He had a ministry to actresses, but not (I assume) Bishops:
Author Ronald Blythe wrote in his 1964 book The Rector of Stiffkey that he was enticed by ‘the ineffable harmonies created by starched linen crackling over young breasts and black-stockinged calves in chubby conference just below the hem of the parlourmaid’s frock’.
There is little evidence that Davidson behaved indecently, but Blythe continued, ‘The Reverend Mr Davidson’s downfall … was girls. Not a girl, not five or six girls even, not a hundred, but the entire tremulous universe of girlhood. Shingled heads, clear cheeky eyes, nifty legs, warm, blunt-fingered workaday hands, small firm breasts and, most importantly, good strong healthy teeth, besotted him.’
When he asserted to the Bishop of Norwich that his ‘Prostitutes’ Padre’ moniker was ‘the proudest title that a true priest of Christ can hold’, his boss was less convinced and hired a private detective to follow the reverend around the seamy streets of Soho. Despite not finding any credible evidence, Davidson was found guilty of five charges of immoral conduct and defrocked in 1932. At the consistory court, his defence wasn’t helped by the prosecution having a photograph of him with a near-naked teenage girl.
The former rector protested his innocence and to raise funds turned himself into a seaside performer, protesting his innocence by conducting a hunger strike in a barrel at Blackpool, pretending to be roasted on a spit by the devil and appearing in Skegness as Daniel in a den of real lions for the self-styled ‘Captain’ Fred Rye’s animal-themed show. One night this went terribly wrong when he accidentally stood on the tail of a lion called Freddie and was mauled to death.
So many onlookers came to Davidson’s funeral at Stiffkey churchyard on August 3 that they had to take vantage points on walls, roofs and in trees.
In Skegness, Rye saw the tragic death as a business opportunity – crowds flocked to see Freddie, now known as ‘The Actual Lion that Mauled and Caused the Death of the Ex-Rector of Stiffkey’.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
There is a hadith that goes: خَمْسٌ فَوَاسِقُ يُقْتَلْنَ فِي الْحَرَمِ الْفَأْرَةُ وَالْعَقْرَبُ وَالْحُدَيَّا وَالْغُرَابُ وَالْكَلْبُ الْعَقُورُ
“Five are the vicious and harmful things which should be killed even within the precincts of Haram: rats, scorpions, crows, kites and mad dogs.”
So, indeed, no, Islam is not a pro-dog religion. It is however a very pro-cat religion. Mohammed had a pet cat Muezza and, in one story, cut off the sleeve of his garment rather than disturb Muezza when he had to go pray. (However, the authenticity of this story is not widely accepted.) In another story, someone saw Muezza drinking from the fountain set aside for ablutions before prayers. This was reported to Mohammed, who replied, “Cats have the cleanest mouths”. In yet another story, while Mohammed was praying, a cat killed a serpent that was going to attack him. Mohammed rewarded the cat, and all cats, by blessing them with the ability to land on their feet.
Tabby cats have an M marking on their foreheads. Some say this was a gift from Mohammed, but then there's the Catholic story that a tabby cat got too close to Jesus's crib and Mary lightly pushed it away by touching its forehead, leaving the M mark forever more. Both of these stories rather over-privilege the Latin alphabet's significance...
Zoroastrians were very pro-dog, and were made livid by the Islamic hostility towards them.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
There is a hadith that goes: خَمْسٌ فَوَاسِقُ يُقْتَلْنَ فِي الْحَرَمِ الْفَأْرَةُ وَالْعَقْرَبُ وَالْحُدَيَّا وَالْغُرَابُ وَالْكَلْبُ الْعَقُورُ
“Five are the vicious and harmful things which should be killed even within the precincts of Haram: rats, scorpions, crows, kites and mad dogs.”
So, indeed, no, Islam is not a pro-dog religion. It is however a very pro-cat religion. Mohammed had a pet cat Muezza and, in one story, cut off the sleeve of his garment rather than disturb Muezza when he had to go pray. (However, the authenticity of this story is not widely accepted.) In another story, someone saw Muezza drinking from the fountain set aside for ablutions before prayers. This was reported to Mohammed, who replied, “Cats have the cleanest mouths”. In yet another story, while Mohammed was praying, a cat killed a serpent that was going to attack him. Mohammed rewarded the cat, and all cats, by blessing them with the ability to land on their feet.
Tabby cats have an M marking on their foreheads. Some say this was a gift from Mohammed, but then there's the Catholic story that a tabby cat got too close to Jesus's crib and Mary lightly pushed it away by touching its forehead, leaving the M mark forever more. Both of these stories rather over-privilege the Latin alphabet's significance...
Zoroastrians were very pro-dog, and were made livid by the Islamic hostility towards them.
Thank you for this information. I will be amending my list of religions to consider accordingly.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
Off topic: Appointment for GP booked through new online triage system (Much better than previous), Doctor seen hour later, off to hospital for bloods, just looked on NHS app - results all there, no problems found. All done in 8 hours or so.
When the NHS works, it can work *really* well.
But we generally only hear about it, or remember, when it fails.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
Isn't the waiting time for a Tesla CyberTruck about 10 days at the moment and most of that is the time is transport logistics.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Off topic: Appointment for GP booked through new online triage system (Much better than previous), Doctor seen hour later, off to hospital for bloods, just looked on NHS app - results all there, no problems found. All done in 8 hours or so.
When the NHS works, it can work *really* well.
But we generally only hear about it, or remember, when it fails.
Same with everything. Its like companies that end up on TV for bad service or products, What you never hear are the thousands of happy customers. See also reviews online
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
The Charedi community also regards dogs as unclean, and many will go out of their way to avoid coming into contact with one (crossing the street, or standing in a doorway to let it pass, etc). And, of course, Afro-Caribbeans historically tended to be wary of dogs but I don't think that's down to any sort of actual taboo as such.
I personally don't find dogs to be much of a problem in rural settings - it's more often urban parks and narrow paths where they're not kept under proper control. But I can definitely see how the "outdoors = dogs jumping up on you" association could be formed, so I don't think there's any harm in exploring ways to reassure people that the countryside isn't always like that.
I have sometimes been chased by, or barked at loudly, by dogs when out on my bike. Even chased by a Greyhound once in Chester Park who I realised I would never outrun but, thankfully, after I stopped and shouted “Fuck off” at it off it fucked.
But these have been in parks and on roads not in the countryside. similar to your experience.
A few months back I was running across our local playing fields (where dogs are banned) when an aggressive mid-sized dog came running up to me and nipped my leg. The owner slowly sauntered up, put the barking little shit onto a lead, and said: "It's just trying to protect me."
Going back to yesterday's conversation, dog owners like that should be put down.
Or "it's just his way of showing he likes you."
You've just reignited a memory which makes me increasingly angry as I get older. When I was 10, I was walking along the main road towards the sweet shop in the unremarkable middle class suburb where I grew up, and a woman and a dog - an Alsatian - on a lead were coming the other way. I spied the dog, and was instinctively wary, but told myself that the dog was on a lead so there was nothing to worry about. As I passed it, it leapt at me, knocking me over and raking its teeth down my back. My memory is fairly hazy, but I think my reaction was to curl myself into a ball and cry and hope the owner pulled the dog off. Which, she did. Fortunately, the mother of a schoolfriend was coming the other way, and saw the incident, saw me, helped me up, took me to the sweet shop and used the phone there o call my parents, who came and collected me and took me to hospital to get it checked out (no stitches needed, just a clean up and a tetanus shot). She did challenge the owner of the dog, who apparently replied that I shouldn't have gone so close to the dog - but honestly, as schoolfriend's mum said to me, I was as far from the dog as a six foot pavement with a wall on one side would allow. God, I was ten. The dog was bigger than I was. If that happened to my ten year old daughter I would be incandescent.
The woman was breaking the law and the police should have prosecuted.
The law requires the dog to be under control. It wisely says nothing about leads, since a dog off a lead is not necessarily out of control whereas one on a lead may be, as was the case here.
I should have thought your parents could have brought a private action without difficulty. Might have been worth a few bob, unless the owner was a 'straw man'.
I have no idea if there were any repercussions. My mum is not one to make a fuss. AFAIR, once the hospital had patched me up, she took my round to our neighbours - who was a police dog handler who had a house which seemed to be full of Alsatians (there were only three, but it was a small house and they were big dogs) in order that I didn't get any sort of fear of Alsatians. I would have thought, based on my memory of the fella, that the police dog handler might have taken a dim view of the incident and sought some follow up, but if he did it never came to my knowledge, and as I said my mum wasn't one to make a fuss and was generally of the view that dwelling on a thing did no good. I do remember the scars on my back causing some comment the next time I changed for PE. The more I reflect on this incident, the odder it gets. I may ask my parents about it.
Whilst I appreciate her attitude it is probably not a good idea to let a dog-owner like this off so lightly. Unless you had done something to provoke the animal (I assume you did not) it wasn't safely under control and should not be out in that kind of environment. I expect the owner knew that.
You're right - but as Daveyboy says, the past is another country. This was, what, 1986? They did things differenty then.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
This is the 21st century and a bunch of experts scrutinising laws to ensure they make sense feels like a better approach to any of the other ideas I've heard.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
The Charedi community also regards dogs as unclean, and many will go out of their way to avoid coming into contact with one (crossing the street, or standing in a doorway to let it pass, etc). And, of course, Afro-Caribbeans historically tended to be wary of dogs but I don't think that's down to any sort of actual taboo as such.
I personally don't find dogs to be much of a problem in rural settings - it's more often urban parks and narrow paths where they're not kept under proper control. But I can definitely see how the "outdoors = dogs jumping up on you" association could be formed, so I don't think there's any harm in exploring ways to reassure people that the countryside isn't always like that.
I have sometimes been chased by, or barked at loudly, by dogs when out on my bike. Even chased by a Greyhound once in Chester Park who I realised I would never outrun but, thankfully, after I stopped and shouted “Fuck off” at it off it fucked.
But these have been in parks and on roads not in the countryside. similar to your experience.
A few months back I was running across our local playing fields (where dogs are banned) when an aggressive mid-sized dog came running up to me and nipped my leg. The owner slowly sauntered up, put the barking little shit onto a lead, and said: "It's just trying to protect me."
Going back to yesterday's conversation, dog owners like that should be put down.
Or "it's just his way of showing he likes you."
You've just reignited a memory which makes me increasingly angry as I get older. When I was 10, I was walking along the main road towards the sweet shop in the unremarkable middle class suburb where I grew up, and a woman and a dog - an Alsatian - on a lead were coming the other way. I spied the dog, and was instinctively wary, but told myself that the dog was on a lead so there was nothing to worry about. As I passed it, it leapt at me, knocking me over and raking its teeth down my back. My memory is fairly hazy, but I think my reaction was to curl myself into a ball and cry and hope the owner pulled the dog off. Which, she did. Fortunately, the mother of a schoolfriend was coming the other way, and saw the incident, saw me, helped me up, took me to the sweet shop and used the phone there o call my parents, who came and collected me and took me to hospital to get it checked out (no stitches needed, just a clean up and a tetanus shot). She did challenge the owner of the dog, who apparently replied that I shouldn't have gone so close to the dog - but honestly, as schoolfriend's mum said to me, I was as far from the dog as a six foot pavement with a wall on one side would allow. God, I was ten. The dog was bigger than I was. If that happened to my ten year old daughter I would be incandescent.
The woman was breaking the law and the police should have prosecuted.
The law requires the dog to be under control. It wisely says nothing about leads, since a dog off a lead is not necessarily out of control whereas one on a lead may be, as was the case here.
I should have thought your parents could have brought a private action without difficulty. Might have been worth a few bob, unless the owner was a 'straw man'.
I have no idea if there were any repercussions. My mum is not one to make a fuss. AFAIR, once the hospital had patched me up, she took my round to our neighbours - who was a police dog handler who had a house which seemed to be full of Alsatians (there were only three, but it was a small house and they were big dogs) in order that I didn't get any sort of fear of Alsatians. I would have thought, based on my memory of the fella, that the police dog handler might have taken a dim view of the incident and sought some follow up, but if he did it never came to my knowledge, and as I said my mum wasn't one to make a fuss and was generally of the view that dwelling on a thing did no good. I do remember the scars on my back causing some comment the next time I changed for PE. The more I reflect on this incident, the odder it gets. I may ask my parents about it.
Whilst I appreciate her attitude it is probably not a good idea to let a dog-owner like this off so lightly. Unless you had done something to provoke the animal (I assume you did not) it wasn't safely under control and should not be out in that kind of environment. I expect the owner knew that.
You're right - but as Daveyboy says, the past is another country. This was, what, 1986? They did things differenty then.
I'm not wholly convinced of that. Or that things have uniformly moved forward.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
This is the 21st century and a bunch of experts scrutinising laws to ensure they make sense feels like a better approach to any of the other ideas I've heard.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
In what respect are bishops 'experts'?
The only respect in which I can see a benefit in having a state church is that without it I have no obvious answer to 'who crowns the monarch'? But making not havinv to make small change to a once-a-generation ceremony seems a marginal benefit for the cost of having that bunch of utter bellends in parliament.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
At one point will there be the US version of the 'Reichstag' fire?
Just supposing that the Jan 6th rioters had managed to get to Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and the rest - it was very close - any lawmakers being killed could have enabled Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.
Although as that Act is designed to suppress insurrection, and as Trump was behind the insurrection, and enabled it by doing all he could to leave the door to the Capitol open, there wouldn't have been much point.
I get that some might argue he could have used the occasion to abuse the Act and effectively impose martial law on areas which resisted a corrupt Electoral Vote count that resulted in him winning but that would depend on the military being willing to go along with a clearly unlawful order, which is an unknown. It would have been a lot easier for generals to refuse to deploy on behalf of Trump staging a coup than to instigate action on their own initiative.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
Hold your thoughts as this is what I was planning on covering on the next thread.
Will it include a discussion on whether Justin Welby should/will receive a peerage?
Mark Francois has been in the shadow cabinet for about five minutes but is already enjoying the high life. He hasn’t quite got the hang of it just yet though.
Last week he was at an IEA event where canapés were being served to guests off wooden spoons.
Mark bit straight into the spoon, ate the top of it, and then turned to his companions to remark that "It's a bit dry".
At one point will there be the US version of the 'Reichstag' fire?
Just supposing that the Jan 6th rioters had managed to get to Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and the rest - it was very close - any lawmakers being killed could have enabled Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.
Although as that Act is designed to suppress insurrection, and as Trump was behind the insurrection, and enabled it by doing all he could to leave the door to the Capitol open, there wouldn't have been much point.
I get that some might argue he could have used the occasion to abuse the Act and effectively impose martial law on areas which resisted a corrupt Electoral Vote count that resulted in him winning but that would depend on the military being willing to go along with a clearly unlawful order, which is an unknown. It would have been a lot easier for generals to refuse to deploy on behalf of Trump staging a coup than to instigate action on their own initiative.
We know from all the evidence submitted by republicans that a military coup was not considered or in play. This was very simply to create doubt and confusion about electors for the EC vote so that the election could be voided and passed to Congress to settle. A coup. But a palace coup, not an armed coup.
What genuinely entertains me about the American electorate is that they seemingly do not care either way. Trump tried to overturn the election and railroad victory from defeat? So what - LOOK AT THE LIBTARDS. etc
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
There is a hadith that goes: خَمْسٌ فَوَاسِقُ يُقْتَلْنَ فِي الْحَرَمِ الْفَأْرَةُ وَالْعَقْرَبُ وَالْحُدَيَّا وَالْغُرَابُ وَالْكَلْبُ الْعَقُورُ
“Five are the vicious and harmful things which should be killed even within the precincts of Haram: rats, scorpions, crows, kites and mad dogs.”
So, indeed, no, Islam is not a pro-dog religion. It is however a very pro-cat religion. Mohammed had a pet cat Muezza and, in one story, cut off the sleeve of his garment rather than disturb Muezza when he had to go pray. (However, the authenticity of this story is not widely accepted.) In another story, someone saw Muezza drinking from the fountain set aside for ablutions before prayers. This was reported to Mohammed, who replied, “Cats have the cleanest mouths”. In yet another story, while Mohammed was praying, a cat killed a serpent that was going to attack him. Mohammed rewarded the cat, and all cats, by blessing them with the ability to land on their feet.
Tabby cats have an M marking on their foreheads. Some say this was a gift from Mohammed, but then there's the Catholic story that a tabby cat got too close to Jesus's crib and Mary lightly pushed it away by touching its forehead, leaving the M mark forever more. Both of these stories rather over-privilege the Latin alphabet's significance...
Zoroastrians were very pro-dog, and were made livid by the Islamic hostility towards them.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
This is the 21st century and a bunch of experts scrutinising laws to ensure they make sense feels like a better approach to any of the other ideas I've heard.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
In what respect are bishops 'experts'?
The only respect in which I can see a benefit in having a state church is that without it I have no obvious answer to 'who crowns the monarch'? But making not havinv to make small change to a once-a-generation ceremony seems a marginal benefit for the cost of having that bunch of utter bellends in parliament.
I think we need to see your definition of expert.
And why you think "bunch of utter bellends" is an accurate description of the Bench of Bishops, and what is your basis for that description.
Without going down any rabbit holes, as one example the Bishop of London's former career involved being Chief Nursing Officer for England.
I won't defend arrangements exactly as they are, but I will also not accept a casual floccinaucinihilipilification of the bench of bishops. For a dismissal like that you need a substantive argument.
Mark Francois has been in the shadow cabinet for about five minutes but is already enjoying the high life. He hasn’t quite got the hang of it just yet though.
Last week he was at an IEA event where canapés were being served to guests off wooden spoons.
Mark bit straight into the spoon, ate the top of it, and then turned to his companions to remark that "It's a bit dry".
In Francois’ part of the world, they wouldn’t eat anything French. Apart from chips (french fries).
Mark Francois has been in the shadow cabinet for about five minutes but is already enjoying the high life. He hasn’t quite got the hang of it just yet though.
Last week he was at an IEA event where canapés were being served to guests off wooden spoons.
Mark bit straight into the spoon, ate the top of it, and then turned to his companions to remark that "It's a bit dry".
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
Does he really think that a) he wont fall out with Trump in next four years and b) when he does Trump will come after him like hell?
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
At one point will there be the US version of the 'Reichstag' fire?
Just supposing that the Jan 6th rioters had managed to get to Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and the rest - it was very close - any lawmakers being killed could have enabled Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act.
Although as that Act is designed to suppress insurrection, and as Trump was behind the insurrection, and enabled it by doing all he could to leave the door to the Capitol open, there wouldn't have been much point.
I get that some might argue he could have used the occasion to abuse the Act and effectively impose martial law on areas which resisted a corrupt Electoral Vote count that resulted in him winning but that would depend on the military being willing to go along with a clearly unlawful order, which is an unknown. It would have been a lot easier for generals to refuse to deploy on behalf of Trump staging a coup than to instigate action on their own initiative.
We know from all the evidence submitted by republicans that a military coup was not considered or in play. This was very simply to create doubt and confusion about electors for the EC vote so that the election could be voided and passed to Congress to settle. A coup. But a palace coup, not an armed coup.
What genuinely entertains me about the American electorate is that they seemingly do not care either way. Trump tried to overturn the election and railroad victory from defeat? So what - LOOK AT THE LIBTARDS. etc
I think you misunderstand what I was saying - apologies if my wording was muddled.
We actually agree. What I was speculating on was this: suppose Trump had been successful in his coup attempt, using his mob in DC to overturn the Electoral College vote in Congress. The details of how are important but not critical; what is critical is the outcome of a subverted process to deny an accurate count and hand him the election.
But what next? There would no doubt have been riots in many locations at such a seizure of power, which Trump could have used as pretext to invoke the Insurrection Act. But would the generals have gone along with it? To have done so would have effectively been to accept the subverted process (as it would be to accept that the riots aim was to overthrow the lawful government - i.e. Trump's *second*, 2021-25, term, not the fag-end of his first). But that's an unknowable as it's possible to make a case for Trump having the authority to give the orders on the basis of an attempt to overthrow the pre-Jan 20 govt. But what wouldn't have happened (and where we agree) is for the military to actively step in on one side or the other without lawful orders.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
Does he really think that a) he wont fall out with Trump in next four years and b) when he does Trump will come after him like hell?
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
The billionaires required Trump to choose JD Vance. Should Trump become problematic, Trump will become ill...
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
Does he really think that a) he wont fall out with Trump in next four years and b) when he does Trump will come after him like hell?
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
The billionaires required Trump to choose JD Vance. Should Trump become problematic, Trump will become ill...
Is this the new conspiracy theory? 'The billionaires' have replaced Putin as the people supposedly pulling Trump's strings.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
He has said himself that he is upset about his trans child disowning him, so then he vowed to take on the 'woke mind virus'. The other point often overlooked, is that the liberals would never accept him; in most circumstances he would have been cancelled by now (see the link below). I think these are points that have just driven him to supporting Trump, so much so it may have been a decisive factor in the outcome of the election.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I think there is a potential issue here but I don't think it has much to do with dogs much as I'd like to see them banned from lots of places. Nor do I think it has much to do with racism.
You don't normally see a very diverse crowd out walking. This has changed a little in recent years and there are particular hotspots (eg Dovedale, oddly) but generally the outdoors are very pale.
I think this is a little sad in the same way that I think it is a little sad that a lot of people never seem to leave the South and have this idea that there are Dragons everywhere north of Luton.
It seems to be a matter of culture more than anything. Should that be something we want to change, or should it not?
I like the idea of more non-white people hiking, but it seems to be a hobby of people living in rural and the racial mix in the rural is different to those in the urban. I doubt that dogs will change this.
Cultural reactions to do have an impact, including to dogs.
Islam, for example, aiui defines dogs as unclean. I'm not too sure about other cultures - not one I've studied.
If you want a measure of how deep that one runs, consider the amount of work it is taking to impact the hesitancy of Muslim private hire drivers to take guide dogs. There have been Fatwahs by the UK Sharia Council that as working animals Guide Dogs are fine, but the best part of 2 decades later it is still an issue that needs much work.
If you want a parallel, consider different cultural attitudes to eating caught fish between UK traditions and Eastern European traditions.
Another one is where women believe in 'modest' dress, and single sex spaces for exercise. I once heard a fascinating radio show about an Orthodox Jewish netball team.
Traditional British culture has its own taboos, but we tend not to notice them.
You can't really go with "these people must change to follow my culture or eff-off", because this is 2024 not 1954.
There are various projects about addressing walking for ethnic groups - a few years ago one was running in the Lake District, for example.
The Charedi community also regards dogs as unclean, and many will go out of their way to avoid coming into contact with one (crossing the street, or standing in a doorway to let it pass, etc). And, of course, Afro-Caribbeans historically tended to be wary of dogs but I don't think that's down to any sort of actual taboo as such.
I personally don't find dogs to be much of a problem in rural settings - it's more often urban parks and narrow paths where they're not kept under proper control. But I can definitely see how the "outdoors = dogs jumping up on you" association could be formed, so I don't think there's any harm in exploring ways to reassure people that the countryside isn't always like that.
I have sometimes been chased by, or barked at loudly, by dogs when out on my bike. Even chased by a Greyhound once in Chester Park who I realised I would never outrun but, thankfully, after I stopped and shouted “Fuck off” at it off it fucked.
But these have been in parks and on roads not in the countryside. similar to your experience.
A few months back I was running across our local playing fields (where dogs are banned) when an aggressive mid-sized dog came running up to me and nipped my leg. The owner slowly sauntered up, put the barking little shit onto a lead, and said: "It's just trying to protect me."
Going back to yesterday's conversation, dog owners like that should be put down.
Or "it's just his way of showing he likes you."
You've just reignited a memory which makes me increasingly angry as I get older. When I was 10, I was walking along the main road towards the sweet shop in the unremarkable middle class suburb where I grew up, and a woman and a dog - an Alsatian - on a lead were coming the other way. I spied the dog, and was instinctively wary, but told myself that the dog was on a lead so there was nothing to worry about. As I passed it, it leapt at me, knocking me over and raking its teeth down my back. My memory is fairly hazy, but I think my reaction was to curl myself into a ball and cry and hope the owner pulled the dog off. Which, she did. Fortunately, the mother of a schoolfriend was coming the other way, and saw the incident, saw me, helped me up, took me to the sweet shop and used the phone there o call my parents, who came and collected me and took me to hospital to get it checked out (no stitches needed, just a clean up and a tetanus shot). She did challenge the owner of the dog, who apparently replied that I shouldn't have gone so close to the dog - but honestly, as schoolfriend's mum said to me, I was as far from the dog as a six foot pavement with a wall on one side would allow. God, I was ten. The dog was bigger than I was. If that happened to my ten year old daughter I would be incandescent.
The woman was breaking the law and the police should have prosecuted.
The law requires the dog to be under control. It wisely says nothing about leads, since a dog off a lead is not necessarily out of control whereas one on a lead may be, as was the case here.
I should have thought your parents could have brought a private action without difficulty. Might have been worth a few bob, unless the owner was a 'straw man'.
I have no idea if there were any repercussions. My mum is not one to make a fuss. AFAIR, once the hospital had patched me up, she took my round to our neighbours - who was a police dog handler who had a house which seemed to be full of Alsatians (there were only three, but it was a small house and they were big dogs) in order that I didn't get any sort of fear of Alsatians. I would have thought, based on my memory of the fella, that the police dog handler might have taken a dim view of the incident and sought some follow up, but if he did it never came to my knowledge, and as I said my mum wasn't one to make a fuss and was generally of the view that dwelling on a thing did no good. I do remember the scars on my back causing some comment the next time I changed for PE. The more I reflect on this incident, the odder it gets. I may ask my parents about it.
Whilst I appreciate her attitude it is probably not a good idea to let a dog-owner like this off so lightly. Unless you had done something to provoke the animal (I assume you did not) it wasn't safely under control and should not be out in that kind of environment. I expect the owner knew that.
You're right - but as Daveyboy says, the past is another country. This was, what, 1986? They did things differenty then.
I'm not wholly convinced of that. Or that things have uniformly moved forward.
Mulling this further, what would I want to happen if that happened to my daughter? Measures to be taken, certainly. But might it end uo with the dog being put down? If so, I wouldn't want my daughter to know. So maybe sonething was done, but my parents thought it better not to raise it with me again.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
He has said himself that he is upset about his trans child disowning him, so then he vowed to take on the 'woke mind virus'. The other point often overlooked, is that the liberals would never accept him; in most circumstances he would have been cancelled by now due to the issues set out in the link below. I think these are points that have just driven him to supporting Trump, so much so it may have been a decisive factor in the outcome of the election.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
Does he really think that a) he wont fall out with Trump in next four years and b) when he does Trump will come after him like hell?
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
The billionaires required Trump to choose JD Vance. Should Trump become problematic, Trump will become ill...
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
It will take a long farmers strike to effect wheat supplies.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
Does he really think that a) he wont fall out with Trump in next four years and b) when he does Trump will come after him like hell?
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
The billionaires required Trump to choose JD Vance. Should Trump become problematic, Trump will become ill...
Is this the new conspiracy theory? 'The billionaires' have replaced Putin as the people supposedly pulling Trump's strings.
It's not necessarily an either-or. Lots of people are trying to pull Trump's strings, though that tends to reckon without Trump's character and approach to life. He is not biddable but he is persuadable and is transactional over what doesn't matter to him.
That said, Trump may well become ill (or die) during his term. Further assassination attempts aside, he's 78, tiring, obese, has a bad diet and is taking on a time-consuming and stressful job.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
He has said himself that he is upset about his trans child disowning him, so then he vowed to take on the 'woke mind virus'. The other point often overlooked, is that the liberals would never accept him; in most circumstances he would have been cancelled by now (see the link below). I think these are points that have just driven him to supporting Trump, so much so it may have been a decisive factor in the outcome of the election.
It seems that he disowned his trans child, rather than the other way around. He seems rather upset that his daughter can speak just as forcibly as he does.
On happier matters, it is an absolutely cracking Autumnal evening in South Manchester. Blues and pinks and a huge full moon and faint mists on the trees and grass. The sort of evening which makes you achingly glad to be in the part of the world you call home.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
It will take a long farmers strike to effect wheat supplies.
Fresh veg is another issue
Milk, I'd have thought, would be the immediate problem.
Ten or fifteen years ago, Musk was seen as a hero by many in the green movement. Many of whom also bought his cars when Tesla really needed the sales.
I wonder how they feel now?
There seems to be a big market in bumper stickers along the lines of, "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy." I think that gives some indication of how they feel.
Tesla sales are down 24% in California this year. I do wonder if he's managing to piss of liberal car purchasers without attracting conservative ones.
And, not to worry. The thing will fall apart before too long so it won't be an embarrassment forever.
Don't worry about Tesla. Trump is going to axe subsidies to buy EVs. As Tesla are already profitable selling cars cheaply and their competitors are not, the analysts are reporting this as very good news for Tesla.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
Does he really think that a) he wont fall out with Trump in next four years and b) when he does Trump will come after him like hell?
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
The billionaires required Trump to choose JD Vance. Should Trump become problematic, Trump will become ill...
Is this the new conspiracy theory? 'The billionaires' have replaced Putin as the people supposedly pulling Trump's strings.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
You think your £4 loaf and £7.40 pint are not made from the same wheat and barley as the cheap stuff? Or are you just being a snob?
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
It will take a long farmers strike to effect wheat supplies.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
This is the 21st century and a bunch of experts scrutinising laws to ensure they make sense feels like a better approach to any of the other ideas I've heard.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
That depends on whether the upper House actually has the power to do more than tinker. As the moment, it doesn't - and nor would any other version that lacks a democratic mandate.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
This is the 21st century and a bunch of experts scrutinising laws to ensure they make sense feels like a better approach to any of the other ideas I've heard.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
In what respect are bishops 'experts'?
The only respect in which I can see a benefit in having a state church is that without it I have no obvious answer to 'who crowns the monarch'? But making not havinv to make small change to a once-a-generation ceremony seems a marginal benefit for the cost of having that bunch of utter bellends in parliament.
I think we need to see your definition of expert.
And why you think "bunch of utter bellends" is an accurate description of the Bench of Bishops, and what is your basis for that description.
Without going down any rabbit holes, as one example the Bishop of London's former career involved being Chief Nursing Officer for England.
I won't defend arrangements exactly as they are, but I will also not accept a casual floccinaucinihilipilification of the bench of bishops. For a dismissal like that you need a substantive argument.
First of all, congratulations on getting floccinaucinihilpilification into a thread which already had the word antidisestablishmentarianism floating around in it.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
You think your £4 loaf and £7.40 pint are not made from the same wheat and barley as the cheap stuff? Or are you just being a snob?
Oh it's the same wheat and barley - I'm just saying I don't think any increase in price is unlikely to be something I notice that much.
The real point is they are farmers - they aren't going to strike....
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
It will take a long farmers strike to effect wheat supplies.
Fresh veg is another issue
Milk, I'd have thought, would be the immediate problem.
Stop supplying milk and the farmer is likely to be in breach of contract almost immediately...
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
A strike could involve blocking ports, blocking supermarket warehouses, blocking roads, denying food access along with all other forms of resistance - refuse to accept sewage sludge/cakes.
I'm sure your £4 bread is made from ingredients as is that beer. I doubt you live off £4 bread and£7,40 beer alone (as nice as that sounds). It really doesn't matter on the price, no matter how superior and above this you may believe you are.
Personally, I'd target it to those companies that have supported Labour and government areas. But that is up to them.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
It will take a long farmers strike to effect wheat supplies.
Fresh veg is another issue
Milk, I'd have thought, would be the immediate problem.
Stop supplying milk and the farmer is likely to be in breach of contract almost immediately...
There are a number of ways to stuff up the supply chain and still meet contractual obligations.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
A strike could involve blocking ports, blocking supermarket warehouses, blocking roads, denying food access along with all other forms of resistance - refuse to accept sewage sludge/cakes.
I'm sure your £4 bread is made from ingredients as is that beer. I doubt you live off £4 bread and£7,40 beer alone (as nice as that sounds). It really doesn't matter on the price, no matter how superior and above this you may believe you are.
Personally, I'd target it to those companies that have supported Labour and government areas. But that is up to them.
The NFU may be consulting French farmers as we speak.
The recent events have started turning me towards disestablishment. I'm not fully there yet, and my preferred system for the HoL would have room for them. But I'm starting to think there's no room for them under the current system.
There's no room for them under any system fit for the 20th century.
This is the 21st century and a bunch of experts scrutinising laws to ensure they make sense feels like a better approach to any of the other ideas I've heard.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
In what respect are bishops 'experts'?
The only respect in which I can see a benefit in having a state church is that without it I have no obvious answer to 'who crowns the monarch'? But making not havinv to make small change to a once-a-generation ceremony seems a marginal benefit for the cost of having that bunch of utter bellends in parliament.
I think we need to see your definition of expert.
And why you think "bunch of utter bellends" is an accurate description of the Bench of Bishops, and what is your basis for that description.
Without going down any rabbit holes, as one example the Bishop of London's former career involved being Chief Nursing Officer for England.
I won't defend arrangements exactly as they are, but I will also not accept a casual floccinaucinihilipilification of the bench of bishops. For a dismissal like that you need a substantive argument.
First of all, congratulations on getting floccinaucinihilpilification into a thread which already had the word antidisestablishmentarianism floating around in it.
Secondly, admittedly, "bunch of bellends" is a subjective and highly personal view. It's based on pretty much every pronunciation from a bishop appearing to be based on a false assumption i.e. Corbynism is true. Also, those outfits they wear. Dicks.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
A strike could involve blocking ports, blocking supermarket warehouses, blocking roads, denying food access along with all other forms of resistance - refuse to accept sewage sludge/cakes.
I'm sure your £4 bread is made from ingredients as is that beer. I doubt you live off £4 bread and£7,40 beer alone (as nice as that sounds). It really doesn't matter on the price, no matter how superior and above this you may believe you are.
Personally, I'd target it to those companies that have supported Labour and government areas. But that is up to them.
All those items you list are illegal in the UK and have been since Thatcher (at the earliest). But hey ho...
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
A strike could involve blocking ports, blocking supermarket warehouses, blocking roads, denying food access along with all other forms of resistance - refuse to accept sewage sludge/cakes.
I'm sure your £4 bread is made from ingredients as is that beer. I doubt you live off £4 bread and£7,40 beer alone (as nice as that sounds). It really doesn't matter on the price, no matter how superior and above this you may believe you are.
Personally, I'd target it to those companies that have supported Labour and government areas. But that is up to them.
All those items you list are illegal in the UK and have been since Thatcher (at the earliest). But hey ho...
Ways and means. Especially for those who feel they have nothing to lose. Quite sure that won't be the starting point. They can cause plenty of pain and ratchet it up, and they will, so that even you start to notice.
(Not accepting sewage from water companies is not illegal and will be the first thing. See how the government and water companies get on not being able to shift on their s**t.)
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
You think your £4 loaf and £7.40 pint are not made from the same wheat and barley as the cheap stuff? Or are you just being a snob?
UK-grown wheat is only really useful for Chorleywood process bread, isn't it? The harder varieties used to make that £4 loaf will be from Canada, Germany, or Ukraine.
I'm happy for the farmers to strike - it isn't going to impact what I buy and it's not going to impact the end result..
That's your second funny of the day. You're on a roll.
So firstly - what would a farmers strike look like?
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
You think your £4 loaf and £7.40 pint are not made from the same wheat and barley as the cheap stuff? Or are you just being a snob?
UK-grown wheat is only really useful for Chorleywood process bread, isn't it? The harder varieties used to make that £4 loaf will be from Canada, Germany, or Ukraine.
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I'd support that. I often feel unsafe around dogs, particularly after COVID. Our local mini-park is basically unusable for reading in peace or giving children somewhere safe to run about. That's a disaster in an area dominated by tenements and a lack of green space.
These are just normal people voicing concerns that many white people are probably too scared to bring up. Dog owners are noisy opponents.
In national nature reserves they should be banned simply because of the effect they have on ground-nesting birds, seals etc
I feel unsafe around cyclists more than dogs can they be banned to please?
Call to create Dog Free areas in Wales to tackle racism from lobbyists Climate Cymru BAME,
"Climate Cymru BAME group consists of around 20 members made up of students and professionals who haveinterest in environmental preservation and protection, who work with North Wales Africa Society (NWAS), Sub Sahara Advisory Board (SSAP) and the Northwest Wales Climate Action Group.
On the basis of reports provided to date, the Welsh Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to the outdoors created by 'exclusions and racism'
The Government has concluded that ethnic minorities face 'barriers' to outdoor areas created by 'exclusions and racism'.
A separate set of recommendations submitted by the NWAS also called for 'dog-free areas'.
It added that during one of its focus groups, 'one black African female stated that she feels unsafe with the presence of dogs'.
Others also kept 'seeing dog fouling on the floor', the report added.
Barriers to outdoor activities includes the perception that growing food in gardens or allotments is 'dominated by middle-aged white women'. "
I'd support that. I often feel unsafe around dogs, particularly after COVID. Our local mini-park is basically unusable for reading in peace or giving children somewhere safe to run about. That's a disaster in an area dominated by tenements and a lack of green space.
These are just normal people voicing concerns that many white people are probably too scared to bring up. Dog owners are noisy opponents.
In national nature reserves they should be banned simply because of the effect they have on ground-nesting birds, seals etc
I feel unsafe around cyclists more than dogs can they be banned to please?
I think Musk is vastly overrated as a successful business person.
The only business he’s ran entirely himself is X which has from the perspective of a company, been a disaster.
Tesla - didn’t start and arguably stole it
Space X - didn’t start and doesn’t run it day to day
PayPal - got kicked out for being a loon and wanting to call it X
Tesla was a failing company retro fitting Lotus Elise with a battery. The company it itself today is nothing like it. Its a bit like saying well Ray Kroc didn't start McDonald's and story of loads and loads of other companies.
Musk did start SpaceX.
You can also point to Musk original investment in OpenAI.
Its very different from Trump or Branson, where its basically all bramd deals.
Musk is also turning Grok into something very powerful very quickly such that he’s freaking out Sam Altman
Maybe Musk will solve climate change with Tesla vehicles.
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Their faces become sooty from the smoke in the temple.
Bats and swallows alight on their bodies and heads—any bird, and cats as well.
Know, therefore, that they are not gods; do not fear them.
https://bsky.app/profile/foxinsoxuk.bsky.social/post/3lavz7hvals2l
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Nikki Haley says on her SiriusXM show she made clear she had no interest in joining Trump’s cabinet.
“His best friend, Steve Witkoff, came to our house in SC…He was like, ‘What do you want? Tell me what you want. Is there anything you want?’ I said, ‘There's nothing I want.’”
50% to 21% in favour of disenstablishing the Church
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1857034067864179098?t=HRrHks3EB-d3wDDFEaI7Sw&s=19
However, I do appreciate how badly some people are affected by the presence of dogs in public areas. I have one acquaintance, a young widow, who is unable to visit the local park with her family after her eldest was bitten when he was young, leaving the entire family terrified of dogs.
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1856731411098878024?t=1_6eKJ6j2yz2n-_ZlRJwWA&s=19
As the local pub is called the Red Lion, he has a plaque on it.
He was a former actor: "Exit, pursued by ...". Clearly he was the slowest runner present.
He sounds like @Leon 's grandad. He had a ministry to actresses, but not (I assume) Bishops:
Author Ronald Blythe wrote in his 1964 book The Rector of Stiffkey that he was enticed by ‘the ineffable harmonies created by starched linen crackling over young breasts and black-stockinged calves in chubby conference just below the hem of the parlourmaid’s frock’.
There is little evidence that Davidson behaved indecently, but Blythe continued, ‘The Reverend Mr Davidson’s downfall … was girls. Not a girl, not five or six girls even, not a hundred, but the entire tremulous universe of girlhood. Shingled heads, clear cheeky eyes, nifty legs, warm, blunt-fingered workaday hands, small firm breasts and, most importantly, good strong healthy teeth, besotted him.’
When he asserted to the Bishop of Norwich that his ‘Prostitutes’ Padre’ moniker was ‘the proudest title that a true priest of Christ can hold’, his boss was less convinced and hired a private detective to follow the reverend around the seamy streets of Soho. Despite not finding any credible evidence, Davidson was found guilty of five charges of immoral conduct and defrocked in 1932. At the consistory court, his defence wasn’t helped by the prosecution having a photograph of him with a near-naked teenage girl.
The former rector protested his innocence and to raise funds turned himself into a seaside performer, protesting his innocence by conducting a hunger strike in a barrel at Blackpool, pretending to be roasted on a spit by the devil and appearing in Skegness as Daniel in a den of real lions for the self-styled ‘Captain’ Fred Rye’s animal-themed show. One night this went terribly wrong when he accidentally stood on the tail of a lion called Freddie and was mauled to death.
So many onlookers came to Davidson’s funeral at Stiffkey churchyard on August 3 that they had to take vantage points on walls, roofs and in trees.
In Skegness, Rye saw the tragic death as a business opportunity – crowds flocked to see Freddie, now known as ‘The Actual Lion that Mauled and Caused the Death of the Ex-Rector of Stiffkey’.
https://www.visitnorfolk.co.uk/post/the-rector-of-stiffkey-norfolk-mauled-to-death-by-a-lion-called-freddie
We should, too.
But we generally only hear about it, or remember, when it fails.
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1857064906861789265
At least that's what Athanasius said.
Now the current HoLs isn't fit for purpose but having appointed experts is better than another set of elected people who are there for other reasons...
The only respect in which I can see a benefit in having a state church is that without it I have no obvious answer to 'who crowns the monarch'? But making not havinv to make small change to a once-a-generation ceremony seems a marginal benefit for the cost of having that bunch of utter bellends in parliament.
Musk may be a bastard, but he's a smart bastard. This gamble to go all in on Trump will turn out to be one of the most inspires of punts.
I get that some might argue he could have used the occasion to abuse the Act and effectively impose martial law on areas which resisted a corrupt Electoral Vote count that resulted in him winning but that would depend on the military being willing to go along with a clearly unlawful order, which is an unknown. It would have been a lot easier for generals to refuse to deploy on behalf of Trump staging a coup than to instigate action on their own initiative.
Thick as a plank.
Mark Francois has been in the shadow cabinet for about five minutes but is already enjoying the high life. He hasn’t quite got the hang of it just yet though.
Last week he was at an IEA event where canapés were being served to guests off wooden spoons.
Mark bit straight into the spoon, ate the top of it, and then turned to his companions to remark that "It's a bit dry".
What genuinely entertains me about the American electorate is that they seemingly do not care either way. Trump tried to overturn the election and railroad victory from defeat? So what - LOOK AT THE LIBTARDS. etc
And why you think "bunch of utter bellends" is an accurate description of the Bench of Bishops, and what is your basis for that description.
Without going down any rabbit holes, as one example the Bishop of London's former career involved being Chief Nursing Officer for England.
I won't defend arrangements exactly as they are, but I will also not accept a casual floccinaucinihilipilification of the bench of bishops. For a dismissal like that you need a substantive argument.
If he does then he is not smart frankly.
Everyone falls out with Trump and someone this far up his arse more than most.
We actually agree. What I was speculating on was this: suppose Trump had been successful in his coup attempt, using his mob in DC to overturn the Electoral College vote in Congress. The details of how are important but not critical; what is critical is the outcome of a subverted process to deny an accurate count and hand him the election.
But what next? There would no doubt have been riots in many locations at such a seizure of power, which Trump could have used as pretext to invoke the Insurrection Act. But would the generals have gone along with it? To have done so would have effectively been to accept the subverted process (as it would be to accept that the riots aim was to overthrow the lawful government - i.e. Trump's *second*, 2021-25, term, not the fag-end of his first). But that's an unknowable as it's possible to make a case for Trump having the authority to give the orders on the basis of an attempt to overthrow the pre-Jan 20 govt. But what wouldn't have happened (and where we agree) is for the military to actively step in on one side or the other without lawful orders.
a) A big chunk of it comes from Trump 1.0
b) Trump wants to spend, spend, spend.
But I don't know why I bother - logic and rational debate have long left the building. We are in alice in wonderland loons ville.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/elon-musk-misconduct-allegations.html
secondly the last loaf of bread I bought cost £4. Milk we use rarely and the last beer I bought was £7.40. I can't see anything really impacting my purchases....
You may have notice I don't exactly buy the 32p loaf from Aldi...
Fresh veg is another issue
That said, Trump may well become ill (or die) during his term. Further assassination attempts aside, he's 78, tiring, obese, has a bad diet and is taking on a time-consuming and stressful job.
Not sure I would pay £4 for a loaf
NEW THREAD
(I tend to make mine in the machine.)
The real point is they are farmers - they aren't going to strike....
I'm sure your £4 bread is made from ingredients as is that beer. I doubt you live off £4 bread and£7,40 beer alone (as nice as that sounds). It really doesn't matter on the price, no matter how superior and above this you may believe you are.
Personally, I'd target it to those companies that have supported Labour and government areas. But that is up to them.
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Also, those outfits they wear. Dicks.
(Not accepting sewage from water companies is not illegal and will be the first thing. See how the government and water companies get on not being able to shift on their s**t.)
This has the look of an eventual u-turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKBJoj4XyFc
How else would I get to work !!