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A British Tradition – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,147
edited November 11 in General
imageA British Tradition – politicalbetting.com

Forget the naysayers. The Archbishop of Canterbury should not resign. He stands in the now well-worn – if not at all honourable (and who now cares anyway about quaint nonsense such as “honour“) – tradition of leaders of organisations in charge when something dreadful happens but Who Are Not To Blame. Why should he fall on his mitre when no-one else ever does. No. No. Clinging on like a limpet using a variety of grotesque shameless excuses is the British way – and provides much entertainment for the rest of us. Even better if he can be promoted and acquire some lucrative sinecures. That’s how things are done.

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  • *Just sits back and double checks the police force Howard Webb rose to the rank of sergeant in during the 90s.*

    https://x.com/Knox_Harrington/status/1855977195895713878
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,237
    Second like Kamala?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,898
    Thanks for the header, @Cyclefree.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,237
    edited November 11
    I think the last thread is the TRUSS of PB threads - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,898
    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    @TheScreamingEagles always posts too soon, or so I’ve heard.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,912
    edited November 11
    FPT

    Business travel is grim, unless it's a few weeks/months in a cool city doing a special project. The constant pissing about between Westminster, constituency, foreign trips does not appeal at all.

    No no no! I’m not having that.

    Business travel is great, and a real privilege. Before Covid I was a very regular business traveller, not right at the extreme end but alternating between BA gold and silver and enjoying every minute of it.

    You’re travelling the world and somebody else is paying. Every trip to some dull suburban business park outside Warsaw or Antwerp is also a free teleportation to a region you can explore over the weekend. And long haul trips even more so.

    Since the pandemic I’m travelling sadly much less but even last week’s trip to Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham had its compensations.
  • HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    I presume that viral Javier Milei video came up on his twitter feed this morning....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,237

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,237

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    I saw them in Sainburys earlier and couldn't resist 😂
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11
    Cressida Dick at the Met and Paula Vennells at the Post Office all had to resign and I suspect Welby will have to follow suit.

    Fred Goodwin had to leave RBS after the 2008 crash and ultimately give up his gong. Entwistle stepped down as BBC DG after the Newsnight investigation on child abuse wrongly led to innocent people being named. Boris ultimately carried the can for partygate too and went.

    I suspect if more Bishops follow the Bishop of Newcastle tomorrow, she will end up the Sajid Javid of the C of E, first Cabinet Minister/Diocesan Bishop to put their head above the parapet then led to the dominoes falling.

    Whether the DG of Harrods stays in place if found not to have acted on the Al Fayed allegations will also be an issue
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,244
    On topic, my ears always prick up when any organisation, or its leader, turns up its Wokecasting to eleven, as the CofE did.

    It's normally a sign.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,250
    edited November 11
    TimS said:

    FPT

    Business travel is grim, unless it's a few weeks/months in a cool city doing a special project. The constant pissing about between Westminster, constituency, foreign trips does not appeal at all.

    No no no! I’m not having that.

    Business travel is great, and a real privilege. Before Covid I was a very regular business traveller, not right at the extreme end but alternating between BA gold and silver and enjoying every minute of it.

    You’re travelling the world and somebody else is paying. Every trip to some dull suburban business park outside Warsaw or Antwerp is also a free teleportation to a region you can explore over the weekend. And long haul trips even more so.

    Since the pandemic I’m travelling sadly much less but even last week’s trip to Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham had its compensations.

    +1 - I had top level status with both KLM, IHG and Hilton - which meant travelling was relatively painless.

    the favourite bit was arriving in the Amsterdam office before most of the local staff arrived..

    To show you how many points I had it's only this year I've lost my status with KLM and Hilton..
  • First sunny day in London for a week!
  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    Could be worse. Could be made from minced pineapple...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,076
    Welby shouldn't worry he can probably become head of the BoE after Bailey becomes ambassador or something lol.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Welby shouldn't worry he can probably become head of the BoE after Bailey becomes ambassador or something lol.

    Envoy to the Prime Minister for the Nations and Regions seat is still unfilled...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,576
    Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner and adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump, is taking over policy planning for the transition and is expected to be named deputy chief of staff in the incoming administration, according to people briefed on the matter.

    NY Times
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,958

    HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    I presume that viral Javier Milei video came up on his twitter feed this morning....
    @ydoethur will explode....
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,800
    Welcome back cyclefree!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    '@YouGov
    Should climate change spending be prioritised?

    Should be prioritised, even if this means cuts are needed elsewhere: 34%
    There are more urgent priorities for spending right now than climate change: 39%'
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50913-cop29-britons-remain-pessimistic-of-what-climate-summits-can-achieve
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,244
    I really want to talk about bashing the Bishop again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,958
    edited November 11
    Welcome back @Cyclefree - brilliant as ever and to the point

    But why did you hold back on Lord Robens, Aberfan, the FCA, Ashley Alder, Cressida Dick, Sandy Brindley, Sir Alex Chisholm, the Post Office, Paula Vennells... ??

    Seriously - talk about a target rich environment.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,958

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the the TRUSS of PB thread - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    Yeah, I wanted to publish this before Welby resigned.

    Waiting until tomorrow morning wasn't an option.
    I'm going to read Miss Cycles header in a bit with a cup of Yorkshire and a mince pie :D
    Mince pie?

    In early November?

    The world's gone mad!
    Hmmmm......

    What about minced pie topping pizza?
  • There's a transcript of the feature on Radio 4's Sunday programme yesterday on the topic;

    https://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/10-Nov-2024-Radio-4-Sunday.pdf

    Yes, it's a mess, yes it goes back decades. The first report into Smyth's behaviour was in 1982, and the response of those who did that report was to sweep it under a carpet called Zimbabwe. There are people who were a lot more complicit than Welby.

    And it he were just the poor bugger holding the parcel when it exploded, he would deserve sympathy. Church safeguarding is less awful than it was a decade ago.

    But his fingerprints are on very specific bits of this disaster. Unfortunately, I don't see how his position is tenable.

    (As for what happens next, the CofE process for nominating bishops is currently a nest of vipers, with a couple of recent failures to appoint. For all Welby is from the evangelical end, he may not be evangelical (for which read 'sound on gays') enough for enough in the current climate.)
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,946
    HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    Ah, shades of Yes Prime Minister.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,958
    edited November 11

    There's a transcript of the feature on Radio 4's Sunday programme yesterday on the topic;

    https://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/10-Nov-2024-Radio-4-Sunday.pdf

    Yes, it's a mess, yes it goes back decades. The first report into Smyth's behaviour was in 1982, and the response of those who did that report was to sweep it under a carpet called Zimbabwe. There are people who were a lot more complicit than Welby.

    And it he were just the poor bugger holding the parcel when it exploded, he would deserve sympathy. Church safeguarding is less awful than it was a decade ago.

    But his fingerprints are on very specific bits of this disaster. Unfortunately, I don't see how his position is tenable.

    (As for what happens next, the CofE process for nominating bishops is currently a nest of vipers, with a couple of recent failures to appoint. For all Welby is from the evangelical end, he may not be evangelical (for which read 'sound on gays') enough for enough in the current climate.)

    There seems to be a strange belief, in some quarters, that if a scandal gets big enough, that it is unfair to blame anyone.

    I believe that there is no limit to the number of guilty people who can be punished.

    We just need a courtroom like this


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11

    There's a transcript of the feature on Radio 4's Sunday programme yesterday on the topic;

    https://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/10-Nov-2024-Radio-4-Sunday.pdf

    Yes, it's a mess, yes it goes back decades. The first report into Smyth's behaviour was in 1982, and the response of those who did that report was to sweep it under a carpet called Zimbabwe. There are people who were a lot more complicit than Welby.

    And it he were just the poor bugger holding the parcel when it exploded, he would deserve sympathy. Church safeguarding is less awful than it was a decade ago.

    But his fingerprints are on very specific bits of this disaster. Unfortunately, I don't see how his position is tenable.

    (As for what happens next, the CofE process for nominating bishops is currently a nest of vipers, with a couple of recent failures to appoint. For all Welby is from the evangelical end, he may not be evangelical (for which read 'sound on gays') enough for enough in the current climate.)

    The next Archbishop will almost certainly be a liberal Catholic, as Welby was an evangelical the Catholic wing of the C of E would veto another evangelical being appointed after him. Note Welby did get PLF through with a simple majority despite opposition from liberals wanting full same sex marriages in churches and conservatives wanting no church services for same sex couples at all
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11
    Pulpstar said:

    Welby shouldn't worry he can probably become head of the BoE after Bailey becomes ambassador or something lol.

    Welby was a former Oil exec so knows a little about economics and if he becomes Governor of the BoE could be worse picks. Perhaps Lord Cameron could become next AofC, he isn't doing much at the moment and is vaguely C of E and like Welby also Eton and Oxbridge?

    Bailey can then be next CEO of the Post Office. Mandelson likely to be our next man in Washington despite former resignations
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/24/newsid_4605000/4605234.stm
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    HYUFD said:
    “BBC execs, meanwhile, will be giving Match of the Day a reboot to keep it fresh in the wake of such a huge departure.”

    Oh gawwwddddd.......we know what happens to BBC shows when they this and based on recent experience they will try and capture da yufffff market. It will be bloody Paddy McGuinness....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252

    HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    I presume that viral Javier Milei video came up on his twitter feed this morning....
    @ydoethur will explode....
    Well, even Trump has to have some redeeming features.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,612
    HYUFD said:
    I know I shouldn't worry about such things but how does "gary-lineker-sign-huge-match-of-the-day-deal" work as the URL tag for "Gary Lineker to leave Match of the Day"?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,732
    Given what KC3 has experienced in his early time as monarch I expect that the CoE will be sold to a salvage yard, the BBC imprisoned wholesale, and Andrew put in a small warders keep somewhere to keep them all, and him quiet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    But, he can still give a fulsome apology for things that happened hundreds of years ago, while denying responsibility for things that he failed to do.
    It's easier to apologise for things that aren't your fault. You don't need to take responsibility for the consequences.
  • HYUFD said:
    But - as part of an 18-month contract extension - the 63-year-old will stay on to anchor the Corporation's 2025/26 FA Cup coverage and the next World Cup.

    Lineker, who will take a substantial pay cut, will have hosted MOTD for 25 years when he steps down from the show.

    Anchoring the World Cup, which is being held in Canada, Mexico and USA, will mean he bows out on the biggest stage in football.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/31632179/gary-lineker-sign-huge-match-of-the-day-deal/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,466
    GIN1138 said:

    I think the last thread is the TRUSS of PB threads - The shortest surviving in PB history? 😂

    The lettuce is on standby...
  • HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    A constitutional purist!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,563
    HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    Musk has been tweeting about the correlation between high education levels and voting for Harris.

    IT BEGINS
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,466
    HYUFD said:
    I reckon his replacement will be Jodie Whittaker.

    Has she done anything since Dr. Who?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,692
    Welcome back Cyclefree! I was wondering what had become of you. And another superb header btw
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump announces he will close the US Dept of Education and return all education admin work to the states

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1856021616503009296

    Musk has been tweeting about the correlation between high education levels and voting for Harris.

    IT BEGINS
    The likeliest voters for Trump were non graduates with low to middle income levels yes
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252
    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,250

    HYUFD said:
    “BBC execs, meanwhile, will be giving Match of the Day a reboot to keep it fresh in the wake of such a huge departure.”

    Oh gawwwddddd.......we know what happens to BBC shows when they this and based on recent experience they will try and capture da yufffff market. It will be bloody Paddy McGuinness....
    With Andrew Flintoff as the expert - after all Cricket is just Summer football..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
    You're not familiar with the Martin Sargeant case?

    This is about the fraud investigation:

    https://www.london.anglican.org/articles/update-on-martin-sergeant-fraud-case/

    But that is very much the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot worse going on behind the scenes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,799
    edited November 11
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:
    “BBC execs, meanwhile, will be giving Match of the Day a reboot to keep it fresh in the wake of such a huge departure.”

    Oh gawwwddddd.......we know what happens to BBC shows when they this and based on recent experience they will try and capture da yufffff market. It will be bloody Paddy McGuinness....
    With Andrew Flintoff as the expert - after all Cricket is just Summer football..
    And yet the scary thing is he still might be better than some of the current talking heads they use.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,692

    I really want to talk about bashing the Bishop again.

    jfdi and then stfu
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
    You're not familiar with the Martin Sargeant case?

    This is about the fraud investigation:

    https://www.london.anglican.org/articles/update-on-martin-sergeant-fraud-case/

    But that is very much the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot worse going on behind the scenes.
    Chartres was Bishop of London when that went on. Sargeant left the Diocese in 2019 after Mullally became Bishop in 2018
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,960
    We got past @TSE quarterly quota of AV posts with only 45 minutes at the top.

    Yay!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,732
    It'll be Claire Balding, or if not Fred Stupidbollocks. They're both at loose ends after casting a pall over the Olympic coverage.

    I presume Lineker is off to Canterbury?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11
    ydoethur said:

    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.

    Snow and Tanner are evangelicals so can't be them as you can't have an evangelical succeed an evangelical as Archbishop.

    The Bishop of Chelmsford would be an interesting choice as first female Archbishop
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,244
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.

    Snow is an evangelical so can't be him as you can't have an evangelical succeed an evangelical as Archbishop
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.

    Snow is an evangelical so can't be him as you can't have an evangelical succeed an evangelical as Archbishop
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
    It would also lead to Anglo Catholics and liberal Catholics in open revolt, both would veto another evangelical appointment
  • Just been catching up on the day's posts..

    I've never been on a diet. I eat whatever I want. I drink way more than recommended

    My waist is six inches less than half my height

    Walk, baby, walk
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,473
    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1855943054693204110

    Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," @kaitlancollins reports
  • eekeek Posts: 28,250
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.

    Snow is an evangelical so can't be him as you can't have an evangelical succeed an evangelical as Archbishop
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
    It would also lead to Anglo Catholics and liberal Catholics in open revolt, both would veto another evangelical appointment
    worth looking at that Tablet article - the church of England needs the money that comes from the Alliance - which as they pay the piper they will have a significant say in the decision.

    I would be betting on Graham Usher personally with Helen-Ann Hartley to follow (because I suspect the compromise to get the first female Archbishop will be that she isn't there for that long...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1855943054693204110

    Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," @kaitlancollins reports

    I don't like Musk, but there are undoubtedly worse people who could be weighing in on who would be a good staffing pick for Trump to make.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,800
    Is the US economy really doing that well? I say this because they are running a deficit of over 6% of GDP. And they were much less affected by the gas price hike than we were?
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 140
    Life was better when positions like the ABofC and Poet Laureate were held until death.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,473
    Trump’s pick for UN ambassador supports defunding UNRWA and other agencies.

    https://x.com/elisestefanik/status/1853489802265465331
  • eekeek Posts: 28,250

    Just been catching up on the day's posts..

    I've never been on a diet. I eat whatever I want. I drink way more than recommended

    My waist is six inches less than half my height

    Walk, baby, walk

    Some of us have jobs that don't allow us to spend all day walking....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    edited November 11
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.

    Snow is an evangelical so can't be him as you can't have an evangelical succeed an evangelical as Archbishop
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
    It would also lead to Anglo Catholics and liberal Catholics in open revolt, both would veto another evangelical appointment
    worth looking at that Tablet article - the church of England needs the money that comes from the Alliance - which as they pay the piper they will have a significant say in the decision.

    I would be betting on Graham Usher personally with Helen-Ann Hartley to follow (because I suspect the compromise to get the first female Archbishop will be that she isn't there for that long...
    The Church of England has £8 billion in assets and investments, it does not need to be blackmailed by the Evangelical Alliance.
    They get their say at Synod but they have to recognise they are only half the C of E, the Catholic wing is the other side and hasn't had the Archbishop from their wing since Rowan Williams.

    Usher might be possible as he is on the liberal Catholic wing but then that would also rule out Helen Ann to follow as she is also on the Catholic wing, though the more evangelical female Bishop of Gloucester might then be an option
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,918
    AOC asked her followers on Twitter who voted split ballot, her and Trump (or Trump and another Dem) why…

    https://x.com/aaronnarraph/status/1855962504712552829
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,379

    Just been catching up on the day's posts..

    I've never been on a diet. I eat whatever I want. I drink way more than recommended

    My waist is six inches less than half my height

    Walk, baby, walk

    Ten inches here. (No sniggering).
    PBers will love the fact that my strict diet has seen me gain 25 pounds in 2024.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,553
    edited November 11

    Is the US economy really doing that well? I say this because they are running a deficit of over 6% of GDP. And they were much less affected by the gas price hike than we were?

    The rich in the USA have been doing very well.
  • eek said:

    Just been catching up on the day's posts..

    I've never been on a diet. I eat whatever I want. I drink way more than recommended

    My waist is six inches less than half my height

    Walk, baby, walk

    Some of us have jobs that don't allow us to spend all day walking....
    True. But I've only lost two waist inches since I've been a postie (just over two years now)
  • kle4 said:

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1855943054693204110

    Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," @kaitlancollins reports

    I don't like Musk, but there are undoubtedly worse people who could be weighing in on who would be a good staffing pick for Trump to make.
    No mention of paper Vice President JD Vance in that report.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,759

    AOC asked her followers on Twitter who voted split ballot, her and Trump (or Trump and another Dem) why…

    https://x.com/aaronnarraph/status/1855962504712552829

    A small subsample of AOCs twitter followers. I mean sure its a tiny morsel of the picture but compared to "inflation was high" its simply irrelevant.

    Everyone is searching for more answers and meaning than there actually is.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,918
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1855943054693204110

    Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," @kaitlancollins reports

    I don't like Musk, but there are undoubtedly worse people who could be weighing in on who would be a good staffing pick for Trump to make.
    Worse than Musk who retweets antisemitic conspiracy theories? Well, I suppose, yes, Donald Jnr. would be even worse.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth noting Welby was going to retire next year anyway. I suspect all that will happen is the date will be brought forward from December to April.

    There is an article (in the Catholic journal The Tablet) here on the runners and riders -

    https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/canterbury-who-next/

    I would certainly agree that Usher (Norwich) Snow (Leicester) and Tanner (Chester) are the likely candidates. That said, anyone who thinks Rachel Treweek has been a success at Gloucester is an idiot.

    Snow is an evangelical so can't be him as you can't have an evangelical succeed an evangelical as Archbishop
    That would be an ecumenical matter.
    It would also lead to Anglo Catholics and liberal Catholics in open revolt, both would veto another evangelical appointment
    Ah, but would they? I suspect they are more like Thatcher's wets- huff and puff but eventually back down in the name of unity. Whereas conservative/sound-on-gays evangelicals not only have a blocking minority but aren't afraid to use it.

    If I had to guess... the structure will be like last time- possibly the last few times. The obvious big names will be tossed around to be tossed out. Then someone surprising will be suggested, and nobody will come up with objections quickly, so they will be nominated fairly rapidly before anyone does.

    That's certainly how we ended up with Welby, and (to a lesser extent) with Williams.

    But from a profile of the runners to succeed George Carey;
    ...it has been a safe general rule since the war that the prime minister always chooses the archbishop whom his predecessor would least have wanted.

    http://ship-of-fools.com/features/2000/NextABC/Wales.html

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1855943054693204110

    Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," @kaitlancollins reports

    I don't like Musk, but there are undoubtedly worse people who could be weighing in on who would be a good staffing pick for Trump to make.
    Worse than Musk who retweets antisemitic conspiracy theories? Well, I suppose, yes, Donald Jnr. would be even worse.
    My point proven. Musk at least occasionally has a point about something. There are plenty of people in Trump's orbit who have all Musk's faults and no positives.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,800
    Cyclefree said:

    I only came back on to annoy those who drove me off.

    And also because this picks up on some of the stuff I've been writing about in my book.

    Many years ago as a pupil barrister I sat in court between John Smyth and Mary Whitehouse. She was bringing a case about some pornographic programme or other. She was very polite and charming.

    Smyth, on the other hand, totally ignored me, not even deigning to say good morning or acknowledge my presence in any way. In those days, he was not the only senior male barrister to behave with such astounding rudeness. Fortunately for me, being a woman meant that I was spared his advances. It was only the women-loving perverts I had to fend off. The judge in the case was Mr Justice Taylor who wrote the first report on the Hillsborough tragedy.

    Mary Whitehouse lost the case. Christopher Hitchens' remark about the ostentatiously pious comes to mind when you meet people like Smyth. Also if you put any group on a pedestal you create the conditions for some in that group to abuse their position and for abusers to join that group. A lesson which ought to be - but is never ever - learned.

    Sad to hear about the behaviour of the great and the good back in the day. There needs to be a balance between calling out unacceptable conduct and avoiding witch hunts.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,958
    A question about Welby.

    Is the US economy really doing that well? I say this because they are running a deficit of over 6% of GDP. And they were much less affected by the gas price hike than we were?

    The rich in the USA have been doing very well.
    Something that has been missed/ misunderstood is the rise of hyper-employees.

    It’s a term I invented to cover employees who are paid big money, while still being quite ordinary wage slaves.

    So you have Joe, who works in software as a lead developer. He’s on $580,000 plus bonus plus share options. His wife, Mary, works at Blue Origin as a rocket plumber. She’s on $385,000.

    So joint income just shy of a million. But no big assets - there’s a mortgage on the house, both cars are on lease…

    Their neighbour, Bob and Carol have incomes in the $50,000 range….

    There is a big tranche of Joe & Mary’s in the US.
  • Musk's platform is hosting proportions of unfiltered racial hatred worldwide that are steadily increasing.

    Trump seems more impressionable this time around, so that is concerning.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,703
    I don't know if Cyclefree goes to church but looking at it from my regulator churgchgoer viewpoint, the Church has completely lost the plot. The congregation produces the money and that's it.
    The leadership seems to be less christian with every passing day. Welby should go and be quick about it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
    You're not familiar with the Martin Sargeant case?

    This is about the fraud investigation:

    https://www.london.anglican.org/articles/update-on-martin-sergeant-fraud-case/

    But that is very much the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot worse going on behind the scenes.
    Chartres was Bishop of London when that went on. Sargeant left the Diocese in 2019 after Mullally became Bishop in 2018
    Ok, so you don’t know what has been going on.

    I’m not going to repeat it here as Tse and RCS would get twitchy. Suffice to say his being caught committing fraud was just the start.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,918

    Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner and adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump, is taking over policy planning for the transition and is expected to be named deputy chief of staff in the incoming administration, according to people briefed on the matter.

    NY Times

    Fully paid up to Trump-won-in-2020 lies. Has promoted conspiracy theories from white nationalism and promoted a Great Replacement Theory novel beloved by neo-Nazis. Led on the policy of separating children from parents when they came over the border.
  • On the topic of those who manage to cling on to their job, despite being clearly inadequate for it, I wonder whether the Premier League referee Coote will finally get his comeuppance for his expletive filled rant against Liverpool, Scousers and Klopp?

    The fact he was the referee who didn't think taking out Virgil van Dijk was worth a booking and many other ridiculous decisions made in recent years rather making more sense in hindsight with this video.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,037
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1855943054693204110

    Elon Musk "has been seen at Mar-a-Lago nearly every single day since Donald Trump won, dining with him on the patio at times" and "weighing in on staffing decisions, making clear his preference for certain roles," @kaitlancollins reports

    I don't like Musk, but there are undoubtedly worse people who could be weighing in on who would be a good staffing pick for Trump to make.
    I agree. But that rather shows what a bad place we're in.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,473
    edited November 11

    Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner and adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump, is taking over policy planning for the transition and is expected to be named deputy chief of staff in the incoming administration, according to people briefed on the matter.

    NY Times

    Fully paid up to Trump-won-in-2020 lies. Has promoted conspiracy theories from white nationalism and promoted a Great Replacement Theory novel beloved by neo-Nazis. Led on the policy of separating children from parents when they came over the border.
    Trump's new border czar has a policy to prevent family separation: deport them all together.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FN0px3ex8
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,703
    I lost a stone in two months as a postman. Then I got fed up with the useless management. Last in, I got the shittiest bike that was barely rideable. Worst route awful area.. No thanks. In any event I needed to look after my late wife.
    I am sure things are much worse 19 yrs later.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,912
    eek said:

    Just been catching up on the day's posts..

    I've never been on a diet. I eat whatever I want. I drink way more than recommended

    My waist is six inches less than half my height

    Walk, baby, walk

    Some of us have jobs that don't allow us to spend all day walking....
    I have a very sedentary job and a BMI of 21.

    This inches less than half one’s height is a new one to me, but my waist is 4 inches less than half my height.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603
    Is Musk standing to be the new Archbishop of Canterbury?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    Jonathan said:

    Is Musk standing to be the new Archbishop of Canterbury?

    Unlikely given he is of Calvinist heritage
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,252
    Jonathan said:

    Is Musk standing to be the new Archbishop of Canterbury?

    Musk would not agree to join any organisation that worshipped a god other than himself.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    It is worth remembering Welby seriously canvassed Paula Vennells as Bishop of London at one point.

    Before appointing Sarah Mullally, who is also mired in scandal.

    He really does have shocking judgement.

    Brilliant targeting as ever Cyclefree.

    What scandal has Mullally been involved in?
    You're not familiar with the Martin Sargeant case?

    This is about the fraud investigation:

    https://www.london.anglican.org/articles/update-on-martin-sergeant-fraud-case/

    But that is very much the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot worse going on behind the scenes.
    Chartres was Bishop of London when that went on. Sargeant left the Diocese in 2019 after Mullally became Bishop in 2018
    Ok, so you don’t know what has been going on.

    I’m not going to repeat it here as Tse and RCS would get twitchy. Suffice to say his being caught committing fraud was just the start.
    Regardless of what he was doing it was almost all before she became Bishop
  • glwglw Posts: 9,899

    Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner and adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump, is taking over policy planning for the transition and is expected to be named deputy chief of staff in the incoming administration, according to people briefed on the matter.

    NY Times

    Fully paid up to Trump-won-in-2020 lies. Has promoted conspiracy theories from white nationalism and promoted a Great Replacement Theory novel beloved by neo-Nazis. Led on the policy of separating children from parents when they came over the border.
    Any fools who thought that once Trump was elected he'd tack back towards the centre ground are going to be disappointed. It looks like Trump is planning of going full MAGA/Project 2025.

    There are going to be a lot of leopards with full bellies.
  • ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is Musk standing to be the new Archbishop of Canterbury?

    Musk would not agree to join any organisation that worshipped a god other than himself.
    Since when was worshipping god a prerequisite for being Anglican?
  • Cyclefree said:

    I only came back on to annoy those who drove me off.

    And also because this picks up on some of the stuff I've been writing about in my book.

    Many years ago as a pupil barrister I sat in court between John Smyth and Mary Whitehouse. She was bringing a case about some pornographic programme or other. She was very polite and charming.

    Smyth, on the other hand, totally ignored me, not even deigning to say good morning or acknowledge my presence in any way. In those days, he was not the only senior male barrister to behave with such astounding rudeness. Fortunately for me, being a woman meant that I was spared his advances. It was only the women-loving perverts I had to fend off. The judge in the case was Mr Justice Taylor who wrote the first report on the Hillsborough tragedy.

    Mary Whitehouse lost the case. Christopher Hitchens' remark about the ostentatiously pious comes to mind when you meet people like Smyth. Also if you put any group on a pedestal you create the conditions for some in that group to abuse their position and for abusers to join that group. A lesson which ought to be - but is never ever - learned.

    Sad to hear about the behaviour of the great and the good back in the day. There needs to be a balance between calling out unacceptable conduct and avoiding witch hunts.
    "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." - V.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,633
    Cyclefree said:

    I only came back on to annoy those who drove me off.

    And also because this picks up on some of the stuff I've been writing about in my book.

    Many years ago as a pupil barrister I sat in court between John Smyth and Mary Whitehouse. She was bringing a case about some pornographic programme or other. She was very polite and charming.

    Smyth, on the other hand, totally ignored me, not even deigning to say good morning or acknowledge my presence in any way. In those days, he was not the only senior male barrister to behave with such astounding rudeness. Fortunately for me, being a woman meant that I was spared his advances. It was only the women-loving perverts I had to fend off. The judge in the case was Mr Justice Taylor who wrote the first report on the Hillsborough tragedy.

    Mary Whitehouse lost the case. Christopher Hitchens' remark about the ostentatiously pious comes to mind when you meet people like Smyth. Also if you put any group on a pedestal you create the conditions for some in that group to abuse their position and for abusers to join that group. A lesson which ought to be - but is never ever - learned.

    Did the Bar Standards Board do anything about Smyth? Surely they, the police and CPS also have questions to answer?
  • glw said:

    Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner and adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump, is taking over policy planning for the transition and is expected to be named deputy chief of staff in the incoming administration, according to people briefed on the matter.

    NY Times

    Fully paid up to Trump-won-in-2020 lies. Has promoted conspiracy theories from white nationalism and promoted a Great Replacement Theory novel beloved by neo-Nazis. Led on the policy of separating children from parents when they came over the border.
    Any fools who thought that once Trump was elected he'd tack back towards the centre ground are going to be disappointed. It looks like Trump is planning of going full MAGA/Project 2025.

    There are going to be a lot of leopards with full bellies.
    The only question is when one set of face-eating leopards start eating the faces of other face-eating leopards.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,473
    glw said:

    Stephen Miller, an immigration hard-liner and adviser to President-elect Donald J. Trump, is taking over policy planning for the transition and is expected to be named deputy chief of staff in the incoming administration, according to people briefed on the matter.

    NY Times

    Fully paid up to Trump-won-in-2020 lies. Has promoted conspiracy theories from white nationalism and promoted a Great Replacement Theory novel beloved by neo-Nazis. Led on the policy of separating children from parents when they came over the border.
    Any fools who thought that once Trump was elected he'd tack back towards the centre ground are going to be disappointed. It looks like Trump is planning of going full MAGA/Project 2025.

    There are going to be a lot of leopards with full bellies.
    The centre ground in Washington is not the same as the centre ground of the American people. You'll probably find that Trump moves the Washington consensus in his direction in a more significant way than 2016-2020.
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