The accusations in that dog attack link are quite something.
One thin that intrigues me about the BBC is statements and the like. Sometimes they link to the whole thing, sometime they do not, and only partially quote. If it is a statement to a news organisation, I would think the person giving the statement has given permission for the whole thing to be broadcast.
But it does sound as if the BBC are being utterly played by terrorists.
The guy making the claims is not impartial as he clearly has a thing about BBC bias against Israel, but he has fairly good evidence that the whole thing stinks.
It isn't the only time they done this. The broken hand guy, was dodgy as hell, filmed happily using his hands getting on a bus without any issue and the x-ray they produced name didn't match up.
There was another odd one the other day, which claimed a unnamed source said the IDF hit a school multiple times just to kill one Hamas terrorist. The rest of the article was all quotes from Hamas officials.
The accusations in that dog attack link are quite something.
One thin that intrigues me about the BBC is statements and the like. Sometimes they link to the whole thing, sometime they do not, and only partially quote. If it is a statement to a news organisation, I would think the person giving the statement has given permission for the whole thing to be broadcast.
But it does sound as if the BBC are being utterly played by terrorists.
The thing is if they were played / didn't do due diligence, ok, mistakes happen. But they are now repeating this as a feature story again several months later in a new article. What's their excuse for that?
The accusations in that dog attack link are quite something.
One thin that intrigues me about the BBC is statements and the like. Sometimes they link to the whole thing, sometime they do not, and only partially quote. If it is a statement to a news organisation, I would think the person giving the statement has given permission for the whole thing to be broadcast.
But it does sound as if the BBC are being utterly played by terrorists.
The guy making the claims is not impartial as he clearly has a thing about BBC bias against Israel, but he has fairly good evidence that the whole thing stinks.
It isn't the only time they done this. The broken hand guy, was dodgy as hell, filmed happily using his hands getting on a bus without any issue and the x-ray they produced name didn't match up.
There was another odd one the other day, which claimed a unnamed source said the IDF hit a school multiple times just to kill one Hamas terrorist. The rest of the article was all quotes from Hamas officials.
The larger problem is that Israel doesn't allow foreign journalists into Gaza. So everything reported from there is heresay at best.
And stories from either Palestinians or Israelis are massively slanted.
The accusations in that dog attack link are quite something.
One thin that intrigues me about the BBC is statements and the like. Sometimes they link to the whole thing, sometime they do not, and only partially quote. If it is a statement to a news organisation, I would think the person giving the statement has given permission for the whole thing to be broadcast.
But it does sound as if the BBC are being utterly played by terrorists.
The guy making the claims is not impartial as he clearly has a thing about BBC bias against Israel, but he has fairly good evidence that the whole thing stinks.
It isn't the only time they done this. The broken hand guy, was dodgy as hell, filmed happily using his hands getting on a bus without any issue and the x-ray they produced name didn't match up.
There was another odd one the other day, which claimed a unnamed source said the IDF hit a school multiple times just to kill one Hamas terrorist. The rest of the article was all quotes from Hamas officials.
The larger problem is that Israel doesn't allow foreign journalists into Gaza. So everything reported from there is heresay at best.
And stories from either Palestinians or Israelis are massively slanted.
This is true and difficult to always establish facts in war. However.....
Broken hand guy, British BBC journalists interviewed him as it was in the West Bank. Didn't do proper checks.
The learning difficulty guy, didn't do proper checks would reveal this story is massively unreliable. And even after they ran it, it was highlighted all the issues and they have chosen to use it again several months later as one of the most prominent case studies.
Not only does Twix now spam me with every one of Musky Baby's thoughts on the 'for You' tab, but they're now putting Russell Brand's hinty pro-Republican 'questions' on as well.
Musky Baby believes in free speech - but he ensures the loudest voices are his own, and people who agree with him...
Not only does Twix now spam me with every one of Musky Baby's thoughts on the 'for You' tab, but they're now putting Russell Brand's hinty pro-Republican 'questions' on as well.
Musky Baby believes in free speech - but he ensures the loudest voices are his own, and people who agree with him...
In the end I just blocked Musk. It's a shame, as he sometimes has interesting stuff to say, but the amount of crap that comes along with it is just too much hassle..
Does not sound good. Even if the hurricane moderates.
The experts are blaming climate change so people who know that's a hoax should be safe from the floods and 150mph winds.
Problem is they spent decades chiding sceptics for confusing weather and climate, so who among them is going to listen now? Climate change makes these events more likely, but it's hard to get that message across if you look like you're doing the same.
Does not sound good. Even if the hurricane moderates.
The experts are blaming climate change so people who know that's a hoax should be safe from the floods and 150mph winds.
Problem is they spent decades chiding sceptics for confusing weather and climate, so who among them is going to listen now? Climate change makes these events more likely, but it's hard to get that message across if you look like you're doing the same.
England haven't even got the night watchman out in the first hour. This is going to be an incredible test of their fitness, trying to bat much later today after nearly 2 days of fielding and bowling in that heat. I am not sure I fancy their chances.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Yes, I know that about propaganda - films like Jud Suss (sp?) were made very entertaining for that reason. I didn't know comedy was a subset of it. Since even non-Nazi Germany isn't renowned for its banter, I will probably not indulge.
England haven't even got the night watchman out in the first hour. This is going to be an incredible test of their fitness, trying to bat much later today after nearly 2 days of fielding and bowling in that heat. I am not sure I fancy their chances.
These are the sorts of matches where when England do bat they make the pitch look like is a death trap and are out for 200 in both innings, with the top scorer being #8 or #9.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Yes, I know that about propaganda - films like Jud Suss (sp?) were made very entertaining for that reason. I didn't know comedy was a subset of it. Since even non-Nazi Germany isn't renowned for its banter, I will probably not indulge.
Have you not seen the Germany comedy ambassador, Henning Wehn.....
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Yes, I know that about propaganda - films like Jud Suss (sp?) were made very entertaining for that reason. I didn't know comedy was a subset of it. Since even non-Nazi Germany isn't renowned for its banter, I will probably not indulge.
Probably a good thing. But this isn't German stuff (at least the stuff I've seen); it's English-language, often from the good old US of A. And some, weirdly enough, from Oz.
Fortunately much of it gets rapidly taken down by the major sites.
Interestingly, tanks and armour are another way they try to do it. The promotion of German superweapons - which people are weirdly intrigued by so much that the Tank Museum has a 'Tiger Day' - leads to a question: if German weapons were so good, why did they lose? And instead of going into the facts that a) German weapons were not really that good; b) German tactics and strategy could be rubbish, and c) they could not make enough of them; they hint "it was betrayal!"
Yet again, an incorrect simple answer that deserves a complex answer.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
I would say in the UK that the industry, the venues, the booking agents are extremely unwilling to book anybody doing racist, sexist, homophobic turns these days, I mean Jerry Sadowitz got shit canned a couple of years ago and the whole point of his act is he mocking those people. The only people who can do proper offensive stuff is Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais as they are so massive, somebody without their fame or following will find it very difficult.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Yes, I know that about propaganda - films like Jud Suss (sp?) were made very entertaining for that reason. I didn't know comedy was a subset of it. Since even non-Nazi Germany isn't renowned for its banter, I will probably not indulge.
Probably a good thing. But this isn't German stuff (at least the stuff I've seen); it's English-language, often from the good old US of A. And some, weirdly enough, from Oz.
Fortunately much of it gets rapidly taken down by the major sites.
Interestingly, tanks and armour are another way they try to do it. The promotion of German superweapons - which people are weirdly intrigued by so much that the Tank Museum has a 'Tiger Day' - leads to a question: if German weapons were so good, why did they lose? And instead of going into the facts that a) German weapons were not really that good; b) German tactics and strategy could be rubbish, and c) they could not make enough of them; they hint "it was betrayal!"
Yet again, an incorrect simple answer that deserves a complex answer.
If you are not fascinated by the rise of the nazis and their rapid occupation of Europe, and the closeness they came to overrunning Britain, can you claim to be interested in history at all? It was the strategic decisions of the man who got them there that was also their undoing. Wars are not always won by the biggest and best equipped armies but also by the Generals and those who direct them (or ignore their advice).
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
I would say in the UK that the industry, the venues, the booking agents are extremely unwilling to book anybody doing racist, sexist, homophobic turns these days, I mean Jerry Sadowitz got shit canned a couple of years ago and the whole point of his act is he mocking those people. The only people who can do proper offensive stuff is Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais as they are so massive, somebody without their fame or following will find it very difficult.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
GBNews is claiming that 1% of the British population is now asylum seekers
I find that hard to believe but a recent and reliable stat from 2022 says 0.6%.... so maybe it is true now - or true enough
Really astonishing data
In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 25 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. Asylum statistics - House of Commons Library
Not even close. And note this is applications, some will have submitted more than 1.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
Firstly, as I say in my reply to LG, they get taken down by the major sites.
Secondly, I'm unsure the site owners would want me spreading this stuff. I also don't want to spread it.
Thirdly, a lot of it is hint-hint-hint. You may have some fairly inoffensive 'jokes' that set a direction, followed by one punchline that is *very* on the nose, say Holocaust denial. So like much good comedy, but with evil intent. People remember the punchline.
And you won't see much of it in 'mainstream comedy', because we're not talking about mainstream comedy. We're talking about 'comedy' (in the loosest terms) designed to appeal to teenagers and the disenfranchised, on TikTok and the like. YouTube are apparently actually quite good at taking it down, perhaps because there are more people reporting it.
It’s not a new or novel position, but I believe Boris’ ultimate demise began when he fired Cummings, and then tried to blame him for Covid parties/policies. From that point on he made an enemy of him. Much of what followed I sense had his paws on it. Is Sue going quietly ?
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
I would say in the UK that the industry, the venues, the booking agents are extremely unwilling to book anybody doing racist, sexist, homophobic turns these days, I mean Jerry Sadowitz got shit canned a couple of years ago and the whole point of his act is he mocking those people. The only people who can do proper offensive stuff is Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais as they are so massive, somebody without their fame or following will find it very difficult.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
Yes, but less so than they did.
In general comedy a lot of comedy seems very samey these days. Its all a bit too nicely nicely, let me tell a heart warming story in an amusing way from centrist dad perspective or if it is politics its very predictable and you can guess their opinion on everything, Brexit boo, Tories boo, and not exactly challenging anybodies beliefs.
I saw Mark Watson before COVID and he actually made a point of saying not doing Brexit or bash the government, you came for a laugh...but then he spent 2hrs talking about his divorce. It felt a bit like I had paid to watch somebody so a therapy session.
Some encouragement for Harris supporters in terms of voter demographics and whose more likely to vote .
Latest polling shows her 18 points ahead in white with a college degree or higher . That puts her 3 points ahead of Biden in 2020 at this stage .
That demographic is likely to be around 41% of the vote, the highest on record . That group also votes at a higher rate .
In total Harris is ahead 21 points in all those with a college degree or higher .
The underlying data and anecdata consistently points to a very convincing Harris win. The polls point to the horse race that suits the American media and both campaigns who fund most of them.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Yes, I know that about propaganda - films like Jud Suss (sp?) were made very entertaining for that reason. I didn't know comedy was a subset of it. Since even non-Nazi Germany isn't renowned for its banter, I will probably not indulge.
Probably a good thing. But this isn't German stuff (at least the stuff I've seen); it's English-language, often from the good old US of A. And some, weirdly enough, from Oz.
Fortunately much of it gets rapidly taken down by the major sites.
Interestingly, tanks and armour are another way they try to do it. The promotion of German superweapons - which people are weirdly intrigued by so much that the Tank Museum has a 'Tiger Day' - leads to a question: if German weapons were so good, why did they lose? And instead of going into the facts that a) German weapons were not really that good; b) German tactics and strategy could be rubbish, and c) they could not make enough of them; they hint "it was betrayal!"
Yet again, an incorrect simple answer that deserves a complex answer.
If you are not fascinated by the rise of the nazis and their rapid occupation of Europe, and the closeness they came to overrunning Britain, can you claim to be interested in history at all? It was the strategic decisions of the man who got them there that was also their undoing. Wars are not always won by the biggest and best equipped armies but also by the Generals and those who direct them (or ignore their advice).
I'm unsure of the point you're making. You can be fascinated by that, or by the rise of communism in Russia, whilst also believing the evils that those regimes perpetrated. In fact, you can also study by the way those evils helped the regimes, and in the case of Nazism, helped bring it down. Whilst still acknowledging they were evils.
England haven't even got the night watchman out in the first hour. This is going to be an incredible test of their fitness, trying to bat much later today after nearly 2 days of fielding and bowling in that heat. I am not sure I fancy their chances.
These are the sorts of matches where when England do bat they make the pitch look like is a death trap and are out for 200 in both innings, with the top scorer being #8 or #9.
This match is either going to be a five-day draw, or an innings defeat for England. I expect Pakistan to try and get a quick 550-600 and declare 20 minutes before tea. It’s going to be a long evening session for the English batsmen, knowing they need to get 350-400 to avoid following-on.
🆕In today’s Playbook our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention has Labour’s lead at 1 point
🌹Lab 29% (-1) 🌳Con 28% (+2) ➡️ Ref 19% (+1) 🔶Lib Dem 11% (-2) 🌎 Green 7% (-1) 🟡 SNP 2% (-1)
It is vital for the conservatives that they position themselves as the main opposition to the Labour Party. A cross over if it happens is going to be a substantial psychological boost.
🆕In today’s Playbook our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention has Labour’s lead at 1 point
🌹Lab 29% (-1) 🌳Con 28% (+2) ➡️ Ref 19% (+1) 🔶Lib Dem 11% (-2) 🌎 Green 7% (-1) 🟡 SNP 2% (-1)
It is vital for the conservatives that they position themselves as the main opposition to the Labour Party. A cross over if it happens is going to be a substantial psychological boost.
They're back in office in 4 years if they can stop the Reform cockblock and garner even half their votes.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
I would say in the UK that the industry, the venues, the booking agents are extremely unwilling to book anybody doing racist, sexist, homophobic turns these days, I mean Jerry Sadowitz got shit canned a couple of years ago and the whole point of his act is he mocking those people. The only people who can do proper offensive stuff is Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais as they are so massive, somebody without their fame or following will find it very difficult.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
Yes, but less so than they did.
In general comedy a lot of comedy seems very samey these days. Its all a bit too nicely nicely, let me tell a heart warming story in an amusing way from centrist dad perspective or if it is politics its very predictable and you can guess their opinion on everything, Brexit boo, Tories boo, and not exactly challenging anybodies beliefs.
I saw Mark Watson before COVID and he actually made a point of saying not doing Brexit or bash the government, you came for a laugh...but then he spent 2hrs talking about his divorce. It felt a bit like I had paid to watch somebody so a therapy session.
When I was a kid, the old "An Englishman, and Irishman, and a Scotsman..." style of joke was common (add welsh, French, etc). Now, they seem very rare. Are they offensive and spread negative stereotypes, or are they just a way of joking amongst and about friendly groups? And does it make it acceptable when the person saying the joke is a member of the group being targeted?
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Yes, I know that about propaganda - films like Jud Suss (sp?) were made very entertaining for that reason. I didn't know comedy was a subset of it. Since even non-Nazi Germany isn't renowned for its banter, I will probably not indulge.
Probably a good thing. But this isn't German stuff (at least the stuff I've seen); it's English-language, often from the good old US of A. And some, weirdly enough, from Oz.
Fortunately much of it gets rapidly taken down by the major sites.
Interestingly, tanks and armour are another way they try to do it. The promotion of German superweapons - which people are weirdly intrigued by so much that the Tank Museum has a 'Tiger Day' - leads to a question: if German weapons were so good, why did they lose? And instead of going into the facts that a) German weapons were not really that good; b) German tactics and strategy could be rubbish, and c) they could not make enough of them; they hint "it was betrayal!"
Yet again, an incorrect simple answer that deserves a complex answer.
If you are not fascinated by the rise of the nazis and their rapid occupation of Europe, and the closeness they came to overrunning Britain, can you claim to be interested in history at all? It was the strategic decisions of the man who got them there that was also their undoing. Wars are not always won by the biggest and best equipped armies but also by the Generals and those who direct them (or ignore their advice).
I'm unsure of the point you're making. You can be fascinated by that, or by the rise of communism in Russia, whilst also believing the evils that those regimes perpetrated. In fact, you can also study by the way those evils helped the regimes, and in the case of Nazism, helped bring it down. Whilst still acknowledging they were evils.
The point is that to be fascinated by this period, and even admire the way the technology is it not to admire or approve of the regime or its behaviour. You can be fascinated by the period of history and it doesn’t make you fash-adjacent.
England haven't even got the night watchman out in the first hour. This is going to be an incredible test of their fitness, trying to bat much later today after nearly 2 days of fielding and bowling in that heat. I am not sure I fancy their chances.
These are the sorts of matches where when England do bat they make the pitch look like is a death trap and are out for 200 in both innings, with the top scorer being #8 or #9.
This match is either going to be a five-day draw, or an innings defeat for England. I expect Pakistan to try and get a quick 550-600 and declare 20 minutes before tea. It’s going to be a long evening session for the English batsmen, knowing they need to get 350-400 to avoid following-on.
We've got a night watchman, with an average score of 8 before this, hitting 6s for fun at the moment. The pitch has absolutely nothing in it for bowlers. The question is whether our batsman will be suffering heat stroke by the time they get to bat. Other than Root, who is going to have the patience and stamina to bat long?
And he goes, for a commendable 33, clearly trying to push the scoring rate.
🆕In today’s Playbook our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention has Labour’s lead at 1 point
🌹Lab 29% (-1) 🌳Con 28% (+2) ➡️ Ref 19% (+1) 🔶Lib Dem 11% (-2) 🌎 Green 7% (-1) 🟡 SNP 2% (-1)
It is vital for the conservatives that they position themselves as the main opposition to the Labour Party. A cross over if it happens is going to be a substantial psychological boost.
A cross over WILL happen. This government is catastrophically clueless and Britain is heading into a fiscal hurricane Milton
The interesting question is whether they also fall behind Reform, into third
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
I would say in the UK that the industry, the venues, the booking agents are extremely unwilling to book anybody doing racist, sexist, homophobic turns these days, I mean Jerry Sadowitz got shit canned a couple of years ago and the whole point of his act is he mocking those people. The only people who can do proper offensive stuff is Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais as they are so massive, somebody without their fame or following will find it very difficult.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
Yes, but less so than they did.
In general comedy a lot of comedy seems very samey these days. Its all a bit too nicely nicely, let me tell a heart warming story in an amusing way from centrist dad perspective or if it is politics its very predictable and you can guess their opinion on everything, Brexit boo, Tories boo, and not exactly challenging anybodies beliefs.
I saw Mark Watson before COVID and he actually made a point of saying not doing Brexit or bash the government, you came for a laugh...but then he spent 2hrs talking about his divorce. It felt a bit like I had paid to watch somebody so a therapy session.
When I was a kid, the old "An Englishman, and Irishman, and a Scotsman..." style of joke was common (add welsh, French, etc). Now, they seem very rare. Are they offensive and spread negative stereotypes, or are they just a way of joking amongst and about friendly groups? And does it make it acceptable when the person saying the joke is a member of the group being targeted?
It seems now that in general those playing on stereotypes are from a particular group e.g. Paul Chowdry absolute rips the piss out of Indian stereotypes and also plays on the perceptions among South Asians in terms of where their family originally come from.
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
You do realise Nazis could be quite funny? Or Communists?
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
I don’t think the Nazis were particularly funny. Laughing at jews' big noses isn't exactly comedic gold.
There's a whole subset of Nazi and neo-Nazi 'humour' and comedians out there, and it is much more sophisticated than you'd think.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
Is this some weird niche comedy circuit in Berlin thing? I’ve never seen anything even remotely right wing in mainstream comedy for about twenty five years. Centrist dad/right of centre people like Geoff Norcott are the nearest. You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
I would say in the UK that the industry, the venues, the booking agents are extremely unwilling to book anybody doing racist, sexist, homophobic turns these days, I mean Jerry Sadowitz got shit canned a couple of years ago and the whole point of his act is he mocking those people. The only people who can do proper offensive stuff is Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais as they are so massive, somebody without their fame or following will find it very difficult.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
Yes, but less so than they did.
In general comedy a lot of comedy seems very samey these days. Its all a bit too nicely nicely, let me tell a heart warming story in an amusing way from centrist dad perspective or if it is politics its very predictable and you can guess their opinion on everything, Brexit boo, Tories boo, and not exactly challenging anybodies beliefs.
I saw Mark Watson before COVID and he actually made a point of saying not doing Brexit or bash the government, you came for a laugh...but then he spent 2hrs talking about his divorce. It felt a bit like I had paid to watch somebody so a therapy session.
And that’s because jokes about people’s identities, countries they come from, their sexuality, their beliefs can be really really funny. For instance a close relative of mine went to a comedy club in India, and they obviously have a routine where they shuffle the white Brits to the front of the audience, and at the beginning of the routine they ask where everyone is from, get to the British, and the response “nice to see you back”. And of course the audience erupts, but so do those having fun poked at them.
Good comedy is not about not doing these things, but doing it in a way that is funny that those getting poked can also laugh at it.
England haven't even got the night watchman out in the first hour. This is going to be an incredible test of their fitness, trying to bat much later today after nearly 2 days of fielding and bowling in that heat. I am not sure I fancy their chances.
These are the sorts of matches where when England do bat they make the pitch look like is a death trap and are out for 200 in both innings, with the top scorer being #8 or #9.
This match is either going to be a five-day draw, or an innings defeat for England. I expect Pakistan to try and get a quick 550-600 and declare 20 minutes before tea. It’s going to be a long evening session for the English batsmen, knowing they need to get 350-400 to avoid following-on.
We've got a night watchman, with an average score of 8 before this, hitting 6s for fun at the moment. The pitch has absolutely nothing in it for bowlers. The question is whether our batsman will be suffering heat stroke by the time they get to bat. Other than Root, who is going to have the patience and stamina to bat long?
And he goes, for a commendable 33, clearly trying to push the scoring rate.
Finally got him, he was only 20 minutes away from making it to lunch!
🆕In today’s Playbook our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention has Labour’s lead at 1 point
🌹Lab 29% (-1) 🌳Con 28% (+2) ➡️ Ref 19% (+1) 🔶Lib Dem 11% (-2) 🌎 Green 7% (-1) 🟡 SNP 2% (-1)
It is vital for the conservatives that they position themselves as the main opposition to the Labour Party. A cross over if it happens is going to be a substantial psychological boost.
A cross over WILL happen. This government is catastrophically clueless and Britain is heading into a fiscal hurricane Milton
The interesting question is whether they also fall behind Reform, into third
If the new Tory leader doesn’t get a huge polling bounce after the Budget, then they’re doing it wrong.
The government infighting doesn’t seem to have stopped much, despite the shuffling out of Mrs Gray.
I suppose the funniest stand up these days that I know are American. Kevin Hart and Dave Chapelle. Ricky Gervais is super funny over here and Jimmy Carr is sharp and easily able to make comedy out of pissed up hecklers shouting when does the comedy begin.
I don't really go to or see much comedy otherwise these days. I used to go to see Malcolm Hardee et al at the Tunnel Club which was certainly "raw", we have many times on here discussed how Eddie Izzard was so funny it was actively painful but I haven't seen him do comedy recently, and I would run a million miles from R4's Weds 6.30 "comedy" slot.
It is of course on all those comedy-ish game shows that Trump, Farage, etc are without question the bad guys. The actor who plays Trump in The Apprentice" was positively conscience stricken at his role and there was no question of any redeeming element to him (Trump) in those years. It was assumed (by him and the Graham Norton audience) that he was an ogre.
As for the Cons it is tempting to say it doesn't matter who wins because they have an impossible task of appealing both to the Reformites and the disaffected Cameroon remainers. I don't think there's a party that can appeal to both groups and that's what is needed to overturn Lab.
Some encouragement for Harris supporters in terms of voter demographics and whose more likely to vote .
Latest polling shows her 18 points ahead in white with a college degree or higher . That puts her 3 points ahead of Biden in 2020 at this stage .
That demographic is likely to be around 41% of the vote, the highest on record . That group also votes at a higher rate .
In total Harris is ahead 21 points in all those with a college degree or higher .
The underlying data and anecdata consistently points to a very convincing Harris win. The polls point to the horse race that suits the American media and both campaigns who fund most of them.
I don’t believe the polls.
It's the treatment of likelihood to vote that is unclear in the polls. We know Kamala has a big advantage with graduates. How is that reflected in the reported vote share?
Ipsos detailed data shows 63% absolutely certain to vote and 11% probably will vote. NB The actual turnout last time was 66%.
There is no breakdown of intention to vote by party, nor any explanation of how this data is used to adjust raw voting intention.
So I agree with you. I have consistently forecast a Kamala landslide and still do. It is in the interests of both parties and the media to promote a close result. I don't think it will be.
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It isn't the only time they done this. The broken hand guy, was dodgy as hell, filmed happily using his hands getting on a bus without any issue and the x-ray they produced name didn't match up.
There was another odd one the other day, which claimed a unnamed source said the IDF hit a school multiple times just to kill one Hamas terrorist. The rest of the article was all quotes from Hamas officials.
And stories from either Palestinians or Israelis are massively slanted.
Broken hand guy, British BBC journalists interviewed him as it was in the West Bank. Didn't do proper checks.
The learning difficulty guy, didn't do proper checks would reveal this story is massively unreliable. And even after they ran it, it was highlighted all the issues and they have chosen to use it again several months later as one of the most prominent case studies.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4920887-why-experts-scared-hurricane-milton/
Does not sound good. Even if the hurricane moderates.
Musky Baby believes in free speech - but he ensures the loudest voices are his own, and people who agree with him...
It's a shame, as he sometimes has interesting stuff to say, but the amount of crap that comes along with it is just too much hassle..
https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1843187009558564919
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TJys7OVH24E
It’s actually only 20 minutes to watch, despite the programme’s title. First serious interview she’s done I believe.
https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1843375397024485778
Two of the three most hated Americans for many on here, but the clips I’ve seen are actually quite funny.
Humour is a good way of selling messages: even if the messages are not good ones.
And I see you're ramping Carlson, who wants Russia to win in Ukraine.
Please stop trying to make things so personal, it’s something I go out of my way to avoid doing here.
They use it as a gateway to get people into Nazism and fascism, so much of it is fairly tolerable if you ignore some obvious subtexts. And no, I won't give examples.
It's also easier to 'hide' the messages if they play it in such a way that they can say they were 'joking', or it was a 'joke'.
You make the statement and know people are going to want some kind of examples for this, so refuse to.
Fortunately much of it gets rapidly taken down by the major sites.
Interestingly, tanks and armour are another way they try to do it. The promotion of German superweapons - which people are weirdly intrigued by so much that the Tank Museum has a 'Tiger Day' - leads to a question: if German weapons were so good, why did they lose? And instead of going into the facts that a) German weapons were not really that good; b) German tactics and strategy could be rubbish, and c) they could not make enough of them; they hint "it was betrayal!"
Yet again, an incorrect simple answer that deserves a complex answer.
The blind spot being the left wing antisemitism stuff, that seems to get a pass.
It was the strategic decisions of the man who got them there that was also their undoing. Wars are not always won by the biggest and best equipped armies but also by the Generals and those who direct them (or ignore their advice).
🆕In today’s Playbook our latest @Moreincommon_ voting intention has Labour’s lead at 1 point
🌹Lab 29% (-1)
🌳Con 28% (+2)
➡️ Ref 19% (+1)
🔶Lib Dem 11% (-2)
🌎 Green 7% (-1)
🟡 SNP 2% (-1)
Asylum statistics - House of Commons Library
Not even close. And note this is applications, some will have submitted more than 1.
Interesting to see Germany is nearly as positive despite all the hype from the fash-friendly.
Secondly, I'm unsure the site owners would want me spreading this stuff. I also don't want to spread it.
Thirdly, a lot of it is hint-hint-hint. You may have some fairly inoffensive 'jokes' that set a direction, followed by one punchline that is *very* on the nose, say Holocaust denial. So like much good comedy, but with evil intent. People remember the punchline.
And you won't see much of it in 'mainstream comedy', because we're not talking about mainstream comedy. We're talking about 'comedy' (in the loosest terms) designed to appeal to teenagers and the disenfranchised, on TikTok and the like. YouTube are apparently actually quite good at taking it down, perhaps because there are more people reporting it.
So believe me, or don't believe me.
It’s not a new or novel position, but I believe Boris’ ultimate demise began when he fired Cummings, and then tried to blame him for Covid parties/policies. From that point on he made an enemy of him. Much of what followed I sense had his paws on it.
Is Sue going quietly ?
I saw Mark Watson before COVID and he actually made a point of saying not doing Brexit or bash the government, you came for a laugh...but then he spent 2hrs talking about his divorce. It felt a bit like I had paid to watch somebody so a therapy session.
I don’t believe the polls.
Also interesting that the LDs aren’t benefiting, nor the Greens. Entire nation moving Right
And he goes, for a commendable 33, clearly trying to push the scoring rate.
The interesting question is whether they also fall behind Reform, into third
For instance a close relative of mine went to a comedy club in India, and they obviously have a routine where they shuffle the white Brits to the front of the audience, and at the beginning of the routine they ask where everyone is from, get to the British, and the response “nice to see you back”. And of course the audience erupts, but so do those having fun poked at them.
Good comedy is not about not doing these things, but doing it in a way that is funny that those getting poked can also laugh at it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/07/joe-biden-pushed-uk-to-surrender-chagos-islands/
I don’t buy it, I reckon this is face-saving spin with a deeper story. But if it is true, fuck Joe Biden
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The government infighting doesn’t seem to have stopped much, despite the shuffling out of Mrs Gray.
I don't really go to or see much comedy otherwise these days. I used to go to see Malcolm Hardee et al at the Tunnel Club which was certainly "raw", we have many times on here discussed how Eddie Izzard was so funny it was actively painful but I haven't seen him do comedy recently, and I would run a million miles from R4's Weds 6.30 "comedy" slot.
It is of course on all those comedy-ish game shows that Trump, Farage, etc are without question the bad guys. The actor who plays Trump in The Apprentice" was positively conscience stricken at his role and there was no question of any redeeming element to him (Trump) in those years. It was assumed (by him and the Graham Norton audience) that he was an ogre.
Ipsos detailed data shows 63% absolutely certain to vote and 11% probably will vote.
NB The actual turnout last time was 66%.
There is no breakdown of intention to vote by party, nor any explanation of how this data is used to adjust raw voting intention.
So I agree with you. I have consistently forecast a Kamala landslide and still do.
It is in the interests of both parties and the media to promote a close result.
I don't think it will be.