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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
  • Jonathan said:

    @MarqueeMark im curious, do you have a favourite in the upcoming leadership election and will you be there in person to witness the pageant?

    Won't be voting.

    There's nobody there who I see leading the Conservatives into the next election. I would go for Cleverly, IF he said he was a temporary leader there for three years to oversee an extended beauty parade of the best of the rest. I'd hope some of the lost talent from 2024 might get back in through a few by-elections. Maybe, for example, Simon Fell would get the nod when Rishi walks away.
    If I had a vote I would also give it a miss just as I did with Boris/Hunt vote, though I was a member then
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    JD Vance will do a townhall event this weekend with a christian supremacist who thinks Harris is possessed by demons.


    Just another normal day in 2024.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Brilliant, perfect Daily Mail headline

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13896467/slow-processing-disorder-Essential-checklist-child-affected.html


    "Do YOU have slow processing disorder? You've heard of dyslexia and ADHD, but increasing numbers are being diagnosed with a condition that makes life difficult for both children and adults. Here are the symptoms to look for..."

    I have this weird hunch this is not a newly-discovered disorder, but is, in fact, the condition that boffins used to know as "being stupid"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    It was only due to my tragic affliction, of Slow Processing Disorder, that I was unable to get a double first at Trinity and then win the Nobel
  • Leon said:

    Brilliant, perfect Daily Mail headline

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13896467/slow-processing-disorder-Essential-checklist-child-affected.html


    "Do YOU have slow processing disorder? You've heard of dyslexia and ADHD, but increasing numbers are being diagnosed with a condition that makes life difficult for both children and adults. Here are the symptoms to look for..."

    I have this weird hunch this is not a newly-discovered disorder, but is, in fact, the condition that boffins used to know as "being stupid"

    The only surprise is that the Mail didn't seek out SPD victims (or more likely, their parents) whose lives will be ruined by VAT on private school fees.

    Maybe the editors and hacks have got SPD.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
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    Leon said:

    It was only due to my tragic affliction, of Slow Processing Disorder, that I was unable to get a double first at Trinity and then win the Nobel

    Are you saying you are… stupid?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,648

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    I am not ready for 5 years of the Conservatives calling everything they don't like "two-tier". This is the new woke, isn't it?

    I might see a wedding cake and have a minor panic attack.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

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    Leon said:

    It was only due to my tragic affliction, of Slow Processing Disorder, that I was unable to get a double first at Trinity and then win the Nobel

    Are you saying you are… stupid?
    lol, very funny, but seriously. I am worried about @Roger

    This is him, to a tee. Now I feel guilty. I always thought he was just dumb as a squashed daffodil, but actually he has Slow Processing Disorder

    "What are the symptoms of SLOW PROCESSING DISORDER?"

    "The signs, according to Lynn Lovell, head of professional ­standards at the British Dyslexia Association (bda.uk.com), can include: ‘Being slow to respond to verbal instructions or questions; taking longer than others to read or write; feeling overwhelmed by too much information; difficulty following conversations and picking up on social cues; poor time management; finding it hard to find the right word; and anxiety when required to work at speed.’"

    Sorry, Rog
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Elite universities might have to take this into account, as they do with other disabilities

    "Candidate X has an IQ of 67 because he is fucking dumb, however this is only because he has Slow Processing Disorder, and in reality he is extremely bright, despite being fucking stupid"
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Eabhal said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    I am not ready for 5 years of the Conservatives calling everything they don't like "two-tier". This is the new woke, isn't it?

    I might see a wedding cake and have a minor panic attack.
    I baked three* tiers for my wedding cake. I'm sure two would have led to divorce.

    * Sort of four, because there was a duplicate of the middle tier, but it wasn't part of the tiered whole when on display.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    One for @Richard_Tyndall
    That the existence of "fossil fuels" is a conspiracy theory, appears to be a genuine belief for not a few people.

    Today I learned that there are people who think that the planet just spontaneously generated oil, it will never run out, and there is a giant conspiracy to keep people from realizing this.
    https://x.com/ASFleischman/status/1839648958441832531

    This has been floating round for decades. It was started in its modern form in the 1950s by a Russian called Kudryavtsev. And since then it has mostly been a Russian theory with a few rather strange US adherents.

    The trouble with it is that, if the theiories were right then all the prinsciples we have been using to find oil and gas over the last 70 years would have been completely useless. It is only because we know how the oil and gas is formed and collected in reservoirs that we are so successful in finding it. If it were formed abiotically then we would never have bene able to find the stuff in the way we do.

    I have actually co-written papers that rely on hydrocarbons having a biogenic origin to understand how reservoirs develop with time. This is one example.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016236116311814
    Thanks for this, Richard: I had never thought about the variability in oil within reservoirs as a clear indicator of its biogenic origins, and it's an astute observation.

    The obvious kicker for me is that the older and hotter and deeper the surrounding rocks are, the more likely the oil will have been cooked and broken down. If the abiogenic theory of oil was correct, and oil was seeping from the core of the earth, then surely the deeper the oil, the "newer" it would be.

    (Of course, the recent exploitation of shales - i.e. the source of hydrocarbons - also rather undoes the abiogenic theory.)
    You're just another of those radical enviromental terrorists!
  • rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Leon said:

    a

    Leon said:

    It was only due to my tragic affliction, of Slow Processing Disorder, that I was unable to get a double first at Trinity and then win the Nobel

    Are you saying you are… stupid?
    lol, very funny, but seriously. I am worried about @Roger

    This is him, to a tee. Now I feel guilty. I always thought he was just dumb as a squashed daffodil, but actually he has Slow Processing Disorder

    "What are the symptoms of SLOW PROCESSING DISORDER?"

    "The signs, according to Lynn Lovell, head of professional ­standards at the British Dyslexia Association (bda.uk.com), can include: ‘Being slow to respond to verbal instructions or questions; taking longer than others to read or write; feeling overwhelmed by too much information; difficulty following conversations and picking up on social cues; poor time management; finding it hard to find the right word; and anxiety when required to work at speed.’"

    Sorry, Rog
    Nonsense.

    Within seconds, @Woger identified the real victims of the Ukraine War. Oligarchs who’d lost their yachts. Apparently he was expecting the mood at his favourite hotel to be very down.

    Acute, rapid perception like that isn’t compatible with your diagnosis
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    edited September 27

    rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
    Why would I want to go to South London?

    Edit to add: in the real world, I use public transport. When I was in London, I got the Elizabeth line to Whitechapel, then the Overground to New Cross.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited September 27
    They should have Slow Processing Disorder at the Paralympics. Perhaps the Slow Processing Disorder Sprint where the gun goes off and one runner topples gently to the ground, another looks up at a cloud and points saying "look like doggy", and another walks directly left and falls over a stray javelin, and the winner takes ten minutes to realise the sprint has started and first runs the wrong way
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
    Why would I want to go to South London?
    According to the recent series, The Gangs Of London, to machine gun Albanians.

    Doesn’t everyone?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,414
    Leon said:

    They should have Slow Processing Disorder at the Paralympics. Perhaps the Slow Processing Disorder Sprint where the gun goes off and one runner topples gently to the ground, another looks up at a cloud and points saying "look like doggy", and another walks directly left and falls over a stray javelin, and the winner takes ten minutes to realise the sprint has started and first runs the wrong way

    The Labour Party
  • Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    That is actually fairer than most were anticipating, especially the lower off peak (85% of the time) fares. The PCN at £180 is excessive though, when the vast majority will be poor admin rather than trying to avoid payment.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited September 27

    nico679 said:

    Two 12 year olds get a pathetic minimum sentence of 8 years for murdering a 19 year old . And apparently the judge and barristers didn’t wear wigs because the two murderers might not be able to cope and they had a lot of emotional support from specially trained officers ! They should be named and shamed .

    I did think it rather sad that they will be eligible for parole when they are only a couple of years older than the lad they murdered.

    Also the story about his parents is absolutely heartbreaking. He was over here from Anguilla and his family had to use their life savings to get his body repatriated. They then had to get a loan to come over to give evidence at the trial so were not here for the sentencing.

    I know there is a lot of nuance to all of this but it really doesn't give a good impression of the British justice system.
    Michael Howard as Home Secretary of course increased the sentence given to the Bulger killers, also young offenders, to 15 years from the 8 years the trial judge gave but was overruled by the Court of Appeal and Law Lords.

    Parliament could easily change the law to say 10-17 year olds convicted of murder are given a maximum 1/3 off their sentence relative to what an adult would have got as a life sentence (even if under 21s can't be given a whole life order)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Good god. There's ANOTHER one

    Exclusive from
    @rowenamason
    (with minor help from me): Keir Starmer received *£16,000 more* in clothes from Lord Alli - these were initially listed in the register of interests only as “for the private office of the leader of the opposition”.


    https://x.com/peterwalker99/status/1839713656973471872

    And it's the Guardian, again. They are trying to bring him down
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The IDF wipe out 6 buildings to get a Hezbollah leader .

    Having slaughtered tens of thousands in Gaza they’re moving onto to start slaughtering thousands in the Lebanon .

    Netanyahu should be rotting in a jail cell not swanning around without a care in the world .
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,297

    Simon French
    @Frencheconomics
    ·
    2h
    More than a trebling in the rate rate of Pension Credit claims in September compared to the pre-WFP gateway policy rate. Inadvertent but highly encouraging impact on means tested benefit claims amongst UK pensioners.

    https://x.com/Frencheconomics

    Not inadvertant i'd argue - Labour govt making a big effort to find those people.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Leon said:

    Good god. There's ANOTHER one

    Exclusive from
    @rowenamason
    (with minor help from me): Keir Starmer received *£16,000 more* in clothes from Lord Alli - these were initially listed in the register of interests only as “for the private office of the leader of the opposition”.


    https://x.com/peterwalker99/status/1839713656973471872

    And it's the Guardian, again. They are trying to bring him down

    We’ve already established that the Guardian is an extremist Alt-Right outfit.

    I mean, they are being promoted on Twatter. Elon Musk. Just sayin’
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left
  • Sorry if this has been discussed in earlier threads, but I wonder if anyone else has noticed a peculiar quirk with the CoPilot AI system provided free with Microsoft? I have asked it for the recent election results in Brandenburg, and it solemnly tells me that it is not allowed to discuss elections! I can find out MPs names, but not even the British election results. I seem to recall that Leon was on here a lot telling us that AI was going to conquer the world and everyone in it - so far, with my very limited involvement, I think it's a load of horse droppings.

    Sorry, I really don't want to prompt another tedious AI conversation, but it baffles me that this AI system can't even give me publicly available information. "I’m sorry, but I can’t assist with that. Thank you for understanding" and "I wish we could talk about elections, but it’s a complex topic that goes beyond my training. Sorry!" are just two of the responses generated.

    Essentially what we call AI at the moment is, while very clever and useful in some applications, pretty much completely useless for anything involving facts.

    This doesn't matter if you are creating low quality tourism copy and the AI invents non-existent attractions in places, but it is important when the AI is asked to report on election results.
    AI can NOT reliable add 2 + 2 let alone be relied upon for anything more challenging.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I must have Slow Processing Disorder because I am finding it hard to work out how Sir Sheer Wanker spent £32,000 on clothes
  • Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    You should see my wardrobe.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,793
    Leon said:

    Good god. There's ANOTHER one

    Exclusive from
    @rowenamason
    (with minor help from me): Keir Starmer received *£16,000 more* in clothes from Lord Alli - these were initially listed in the register of interests only as “for the private office of the leader of the opposition”.


    https://x.com/peterwalker99/status/1839713656973471872

    And it's the Guardian, again. They are trying to bring him down

    Newspapers are newspapers first and foremost. If it's a story, they'll release it. The Guardian would rather a LabourPM than a Tory, but would MUCH rather the Guardian got to the story than the Telegraph.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,297
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cy89n5k8j1no

    3 years in planning already.
    Turning a golf course into expanded Wimbledon tennis courts and a public park.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Leon said:

    I must have Slow Processing Disorder because I am finding it hard to work out how Sir Sheer Wanker spent £32,000 on clothes

    That will get you just a little less than half a Chanel couture jacket.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    You should see my wardrobe.
    I know you're a dapper man, but £32k dapper is more like Elton John buying mink coats dapper

    Seriously. This is getting surreal
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    I am sure if you are as vain as Sir Keir it is possible, even if you have the gall to do it while cutting winter fuel allowance for pensioners on a pension of just £13 k a year
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Secret Barrister is - of course - completely right:


    He's useful to read on twitter but my god he thinks the sun shines out of British laws arse
    He's almost as insufferable as Jolyon Maugham or Jonathan Portes
    Oh come on, Jolyolyon's on form today:

    https://x.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1839547615911850166
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    O/T

    Nick Wallis is the journalist who usually reports on the Post Office scandal.

    "Nick Wallis
    @nickwallis
    When law becomes detached from reality, bad actors gather, waiting for their chance to slip through the confusion.
    Quote
    REDUXX
    @ReduxxMag
    ·
    Sep 25
    Germany's parliament is set to review a proposed amendment that would make "pedosexuality" a protected characteristic.

    The amendment was submitted by a pro-pedophile lobbyist with a history of child pornography convictions.

    https://reduxx.info/exclusive-german-parliament-to-review-petition-to-make-pedosexuality-a-legally-protected-identity/"

    https://x.com/nickwallis/status/1839357588749836339
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited September 27
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    You should see my wardrobe.
    I know you're a dapper man, but £32k dapper is more like Elton John buying mink coats dapper

    Seriously. This is getting surreal
    Once you go bespoke tailoring then you can never go back.

    It's what I imagine being addicted to cocaine feels like.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    You should see my wardrobe.
    I know you're a dapper man, but £32k dapper is more like Elton John buying mink coats dapper

    Seriously. This is getting surreal
    £32K ?

    That’s less than the price of @TheScreamingEagles’s casual, third best pair of loafers.

    One of the junior footman spent that little on his jacket, once. The butler had a word. He’ll be properly dressed in future.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited September 27
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I must have Slow Processing Disorder because I am finding it hard to work out how Sir Sheer Wanker spent £32,000 on clothes

    That will get you just a little less than half a Chanel couture jacket.
    Maybe he has bought 70 pairs of Brunello Cucinelli cashmere socks at £600 a pair

    https://www.harrods.com/en-gb/shopping/cashmere-blend-ribbed-calf-socks-23689887?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwr9m3BhDHARIsANut04aIWjNhQGy2KZLthYTwJgiSjyVbR-Y10ZouideXYhnuaEljEIcvZC4aAn-nEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    If it is that, then that makes sense. Everyone needs socks, and if you get some you like, you buy a load so they are all interchangeable if you lose one in the wash, down at the laundrette

    So SkyrToolmakersson just bought 70 pairs of those, which is actually quite sensible. In fact maybe he got a discount and got 100 pairs at only £450 a pair, thus saving the country money, and fair dos
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Secret Barrister is - of course - completely right:


    He's useful to read on twitter but my god he thinks the sun shines out of British laws arse
    He's almost as insufferable as Jolyon Maugham or Jonathan Portes
    Oh come on, Jolyolyon's on form today:

    https://x.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1839547615911850166
    Actually: I don't disagree with him there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928
    edited September 27
    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    Live from Starmer's chambers:

    https://youtu.be/01R_lP51Pw0?si=JaCAHiG6aiTQ7YeO&t=93
  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    Yes. Fair dos
  • Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. There's ANOTHER one

    Exclusive from
    @rowenamason
    (with minor help from me): Keir Starmer received *£16,000 more* in clothes from Lord Alli - these were initially listed in the register of interests only as “for the private office of the leader of the opposition”.


    https://x.com/peterwalker99/status/1839713656973471872

    And it's the Guardian, again. They are trying to bring him down

    Newspapers are newspapers first and foremost. If it's a story, they'll release it. The Guardian would rather a LabourPM than a Tory, but would MUCH rather the Guardian got to the story than the Telegraph.
    As a lefty if I had a story I'd approach the Guardian with it first. They're my paper of record and the paper most of my friends would be most likely to read.

    So the significance of this story coming from the Guardian is not that the Guardian is after Starmer, but that their source is a lefty, and they're after Starmer.
    And lefties, proper lefties, have been after Starmer since 2020. Even more so since he disgracefully won a General Election.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Trump keen on peace in Ukraine: https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1839685807717703889

    Apparently, Putin would like the war to stop too.

    Also, Trump looks *very* old for the first time.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    You should see my wardrobe.
    I know you're a dapper man, but £32k dapper is more like Elton John buying mink coats dapper

    Seriously. This is getting surreal
    That wouldn't touch the sides for Elton John, even now. Don't ask me how I know.

    Back in 2000 he was spending half of that per month on flowers:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/elton-john-spent-pound-40m-in-20-months-622287.html
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Essentially we have an Israeli leader who has decided that the only way to stay in power is to cause mass death and destruction.

    Netanyahu wants Hezbollah to respond and so he can order troops into Lebanon and try and get the Israeli public onside. I’m sure he couldn’t care if hundreds of Israelis get wiped out as long as he can act as the “ war leader “.

  • Hurricane Helene's impact in Asheville
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIZsxA01Ds4
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited September 27
    rkrkrk said:

    Simon French
    @Frencheconomics
    ·
    2h
    More than a trebling in the rate rate of Pension Credit claims in September compared to the pre-WFP gateway policy rate. Inadvertent but highly encouraging impact on means tested benefit claims amongst UK pensioners.

    https://x.com/Frencheconomics

    Not inadvertant i'd argue - Labour govt making a big effort to find those people.
    That's only a fraction of the non-claimers (I make it 40,000 claims this quarter up from 12,000 last, out of 800,000 non-claimers), but is a start.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The Secret Barrister is - of course - completely right:


    He's useful to read on twitter but my god he thinks the sun shines out of British laws arse
    He's almost as insufferable as Jolyon Maugham or Jonathan Portes
    Oh come on, Jolyolyon's on form today:

    https://x.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1839547615911850166
    Actually: I don't disagree with him there.
    But, and this is important, Rachel Reeves does. She’s a technocrat: if it doesn’t raise money she won’t do it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,414
    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    Honestly, you'd think someone was buying them in bulk and then selling them off!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,414

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    *His own money*
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,414
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    I am sure if you are as vain as Sir Keir it is possible, even if you have the gall to do it while cutting winter fuel allowance for pensioners on a pension of just £13 k a year
    Sir Sheer Wanker
  • rcs1000 said:

    Trump keen on peace in Ukraine: https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1839685807717703889

    Apparently, Putin would like the war to stop too.

    Also, Trump looks *very* old for the first time.

    Poor Zelenskyy's face. Thinking last time I came over the President called me Putin, and now this one is making even less sense.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    I am sure if you are as vain as Sir Keir it is possible, even if you have the gall to do it while cutting winter fuel allowance for pensioners on a pension of just £13 k a year
    Sir Sheer Wanker
    I think you have to go back to Eden to find a PM as vain as Starmer is
  • rcs1000 said:

    Trump keen on peace in Ukraine: https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1839685807717703889

    Apparently, Putin would like the war to stop too.

    Also, Trump looks *very* old for the first time.

    Trump's hair looks (especially) weird these days.

    For example, did his "hair"dresser run out of DJT's favorite toxic-orange dye?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited September 27

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. There's ANOTHER one

    Exclusive from
    @rowenamason
    (with minor help from me): Keir Starmer received *£16,000 more* in clothes from Lord Alli - these were initially listed in the register of interests only as “for the private office of the leader of the opposition”.


    https://x.com/peterwalker99/status/1839713656973471872

    And it's the Guardian, again. They are trying to bring him down

    Newspapers are newspapers first and foremost. If it's a story, they'll release it. The Guardian would rather a LabourPM than a Tory, but would MUCH rather the Guardian got to the story than the Telegraph.
    As a lefty if I had a story I'd approach the Guardian with it first. They're my paper of record and the paper most of my friends would be most likely to read.

    So the significance of this story coming from the Guardian is not that the Guardian is after Starmer, but that their source is a lefty, and they're after Starmer.
    The disinformation kill chain, acronymised as MAGIC - make acquire generate initiate cascade.
    • Make the goal - identify disinformation that services your cause
    • Acquire the target - find somebody(s) with little knowledge of subject matter who will believe/not interrogate the data
    • Generate the disinformation - find/make the disinformation
    • Infiltrate the target/initiate the attack - introduce the disinformation to the somebody(s)
    • Cascade the amplification - repeat/retweet their discussion of it.
    We are particularly vulnerable to it, given our propensity to quote twitter. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXsfNdJQAbw
  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    *His own money*
    Look, we saw with Boris Johnson what happens when the PM dresses like a gypo attending court, I want the UK Prime Minister to look the best.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
    Why would I want to go to South London?

    Edit to add: in the real world, I use public transport. When I was in London, I got the Elizabeth line to Whitechapel, then the Overground to New Cross.
    In East London you won't be using a cycle; the easternmost viable crossing is Tower Bridge.

    Which is why the next step is to make the Rotherhithe Tunnel non-motorised traffic only.

    Capacity for motors won't be a problem - Silvertown adds a huge amount.
  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited September 27
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump keen on peace in Ukraine: https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1839685807717703889

    Apparently, Putin would like the war to stop too.

    Also, Trump looks *very* old for the first time.

    By the look on his face I think Zelensky realises if Trump wins so does Putin, Crimea certainly and much of the Eastern border regions of Ukraine will be handed over to Moscow in a Trump imposed 'peace deal'. I don't think any European nation and leader has any desire to fund and supply Zelensky to take the fight to Putin themselves without US support, certainly now Boris and Truss have gone. Even the Poles
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited September 27
    SKS.

    Sir Keir Royale.

    Gordon Brittas.

    Sir Sheer Wanker.

    CURRYGATE.

    DONKEYGATE.

    FROCKGATE.








    TRUSS.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Israel didn’t give any warning and civilians in the area bombed wouldn’t necessarily know who was staying in the area . The IDF went ahead and blew up 6 buildings .

    The Israeli government is fast becoming one of the most loathed on the planet . The USA will do bugger all especially with an election coming.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited September 27

    SKS.

    Sir Keir Royale.

    Gordon Brittas.

    Sir Sheer Wanker.

    CURRYGATE.

    DONKEYGATE.

    FROCKGATE.








    TRUSS.

    Sorry. Are you upset again that by slightly criticising Sir Kir Royale for spending eleventy five trillion pounds of someone else’s money on golden y-fronts made of angel hair we are “destabilising the realm”?
  • REALLY dumb Trump dumbassery -

    Idaho Statesman (via Seattle Times) - Does Trump want to turn ‘giant faucet’ to send Columbia River water to CA? What he said

    The Columbia River could be the answer to California’s water problems, former President Donald Trump seemed to say at a news conference near Los Angeles.

    “I’m going to give you more water than almost anyone has,” he said. There would be plenty of water for lawns at big houses in Los Angeles and Beverly Hills, for farmers and to dampen the hills where forest fires burn, he said.

    He started talking about water when he was asked a question about California wildfires raging nearby, an hour into a press conference at one of his golf courses earlier this month.

    “You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the Northwest, the snow caps and Canada,” he said.

    All it would take is turning “essentially a very large faucet,” he said.

    “It takes one day to turn it, it’s massive,” he said. “It’s as big as a wall, as that building right there behind you.” . . . .

    . . . Canadian news media were not impressed.

    The Columbia River flows from Canada south into Washington, where it is joined by water from the Snake River in Eastern Washington near the Tri-Cities to flow into the Pacific Ocean.

    The Toronto Star said Trump’s promise “touches on deep-seated anxieties about our southern neighbors muscling their way into our water supply.”

    Canada and the United States currently are finalizing a proposal to modernize the 1964 Columbia River Treaty, which has governed hydropower operations and management of flood risks on both sides of the international border. . . .

    SSI - The notion of diverting water from the Columbia River to feed the thirst of California agriculture and development is an old one. AND a surefire way to piss off folks across the Pacific Northwest on both sides of the international border.

    Am hoping that Trump's latest BS is broadcast freely among MAGA-minded farmers & others in eastern Washington, whose indivual livelihoods and regional economy are based on irrigation by water from the . . . wait for it . . . Columbia River.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    edited September 27
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
    Why would I want to go to South London?

    Edit to add: in the real world, I use public transport. When I was in London, I got the Elizabeth line to Whitechapel, then the Overground to New Cross.
    Fair dos.

    In other news, Paddington station has gained a brand new entrance on its eastern side, mostly intended to serve the Bakerloo line, but with access to the narrow subway linking to the Circle and District lines.


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Nick Wallis is the journalist who usually reports on the Post Office scandal.

    "Nick Wallis
    @nickwallis
    When law becomes detached from reality, bad actors gather, waiting for their chance to slip through the confusion.
    Quote
    REDUXX
    @ReduxxMag
    ·
    Sep 25
    Germany's parliament is set to review a proposed amendment that would make "pedosexuality" a protected characteristic.

    The amendment was submitted by a pro-pedophile lobbyist with a history of child pornography convictions.

    https://reduxx.info/exclusive-german-parliament-to-review-petition-to-make-pedosexuality-a-legally-protected-identity/"

    https://x.com/nickwallis/status/1839357588749836339

    Noting the MAGIC kill chain above, what evidence do you have that this thing exists? Is there an announcement/scheduled debate on the German parliament website? Has anybody, other than the pedo, announced that this thing is a thing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited September 27
    nico679 said:

    Israel didn’t give any warning and civilians in the area bombed wouldn’t necessarily know who was staying in the area . The IDF went ahead and blew up 6 buildings .

    The Israeli government is fast becoming one of the most loathed on the planet . The USA will do bugger all especially with an election coming.

    Trump would dump Zelensky and push for a peace deal in Ukraine but shift arms to Netanyahu, Harris would push for a peace deal in Gaza and Lebanon but shift more arms to Zelensky. The election outcome matters globally
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited September 27

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    Indeed.It’s refreshing that we have a PM and First Lady that look smart on the world stage.

    Labour donor gives a clothing allowance to Labour politicians. So what?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Why bother with 3rd Umpires when they can be so wrong?
  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    *His own money*
    Look, we saw with Boris Johnson what happens when the PM dresses like a gypo attending court, I want the UK Prime Minister to look the best.
    Ludicrously expensive doesn't necessarily mean "the best".
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    CatMan said:

    Why bother with 3rd Umpires when they can be so wrong?

    Just put it on. Utterly ridiculous decision.
  • SKS.

    Sir Keir Royale.

    Gordon Brittas.

    Sir Sheer Wanker.

    CURRYGATE.

    DONKEYGATE.

    FROCKGATE.








    TRUSS.

    CASH
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000670796803

    Great podcast on the bizarre hypocrisy around FROCKGATE.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    In quite possibly the most envy I have ever had of a politician, Sunak's home office has shelves that line up and all his books (folders?) are the same colour and height.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Leon said:

    SKS.

    Sir Keir Royale.

    Gordon Brittas.

    Sir Sheer Wanker.

    CURRYGATE.

    DONKEYGATE.

    FROCKGATE.








    TRUSS.

    Sorry. Are you upset again that by slightly criticising Sir Kir Royale for spending eleventy five trillion pounds of someone else’s money on golden y-fronts made of angel hair we are “destabilising the realm”?
    Sir Keir can seek solace only in his parliamentary majority of 174. Our thoughts and prayers are with him, and his incredibly well-dressed wife, Lady Vic.
  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    Indeed.It’s refreshing that we have a PM and First Lady that look smart on the world stage.

    Labour donor gives a clothing allowance to Labour politicians. So what?
    I thought "there is no money left"...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    REALLY dumb Trump dumbassery -

    Idaho Statesman (via Seattle Times) - Does Trump want to turn ‘giant faucet’ to send Columbia River water to CA? What he said

    The Columbia River could be the answer to California’s water problems, former President Donald Trump seemed to say at a news conference near Los Angeles.

    “I’m going to give you more water than almost anyone has,” he said. There would be plenty of water for lawns at big houses in Los Angeles and Beverly Hills, for farmers and to dampen the hills where forest fires burn, he said.

    He started talking about water when he was asked a question about California wildfires raging nearby, an hour into a press conference at one of his golf courses earlier this month.

    “You have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the Northwest, the snow caps and Canada,” he said.

    All it would take is turning “essentially a very large faucet,” he said.

    “It takes one day to turn it, it’s massive,” he said. “It’s as big as a wall, as that building right there behind you.” . . . .

    . . . Canadian news media were not impressed.

    The Columbia River flows from Canada south into Washington, where it is joined by water from the Snake River in Eastern Washington near the Tri-Cities to flow into the Pacific Ocean.

    The Toronto Star said Trump’s promise “touches on deep-seated anxieties about our southern neighbors muscling their way into our water supply.”

    Canada and the United States currently are finalizing a proposal to modernize the 1964 Columbia River Treaty, which has governed hydropower operations and management of flood risks on both sides of the international border. . . .

    SSI - The notion of diverting water from the Columbia River to feed the thirst of California agriculture and development is an old one. AND a surefire way to piss off folks across the Pacific Northwest on both sides of the international border.

    Am hoping that Trump's latest BS is broadcast freely among MAGA-minded farmers & others in eastern Washington, whose indivual livelihoods and regional economy are based on irrigation by water from the . . . wait for it . . . Columbia River.

    Trump is tapped.
  • £32,000 quid - enough to fund WFA for 107 pensioners.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited September 27
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    In quite possibly the most envy I have ever had of a politician, Sunak's home office has shelves that line up and all his books (folders?) are the same colour and height.
    From memory, the shelves are white, the books are a deep red. :'(
  • https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000670796803

    Great podcast on the bizarre hypocrisy around FROCKGATE.

    Meet The Frockers.
  • SteveSSteveS Posts: 182

    rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
    Rotherhithe tunnel. A miracle of engineering.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874

    Simon French
    @Frencheconomics
    ·
    2h
    More than a trebling in the rate rate of Pension Credit claims in September compared to the pre-WFP gateway policy rate. Inadvertent but highly encouraging impact on means tested benefit claims amongst UK pensioners.

    https://x.com/Frencheconomics

    This is actually very good. 880,000 people who were eligible for pension credit but who didn't for whatever reason claim something for which they were entitled.

    Getting a good number of these the benefits to which they were entitled would be a positive for the withdrawal of winter fuel allowance.

    It doesn't alter the fact however the announcement was poor politics and the cliff edge nature of the benefit also needs to be addressed.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    Indeed.It’s refreshing that we have a PM and First Lady that look smart on the world stage.

    Labour donor gives a clothing allowance to Labour politicians. So what?
    I thought "there is no money left"...
    You do realise that Labour’s donations aren’t taxpayers’ money? I mean if you don’t realise that then you are no different to most PBers and 70% of Joe Public TBF.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited September 27
    Leon said:

    SKS.

    Sir Keir Royale.

    Gordon Brittas.

    Sir Sheer Wanker.

    CURRYGATE.

    DONKEYGATE.

    FROCKGATE.








    TRUSS.

    Sorry. Are you upset again that by slightly criticising Sir Kir Royale for spending eleventy five trillion pounds of someone else’s money on golden y-fronts made of angel hair we are “destabilising the realm”?
    Thinks

    You have a pair of those pants, don't you?

    :):)

  • Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    Indeed.It’s refreshing that we have a PM and First Lady that look smart on the world stage.

    Labour donor gives a clothing allowance to Labour politicians. So what?
    I thought "there is no money left"...
    You do realise that Labour’s donations aren’t taxpayers’ money? I mean if you don’t realise that then you are no different to most PBers and 70% of Joe Public TBF.
    So the money is in the hands of the Fat-Cat donors?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578

    Leon said:

    Starmer has been given THIRTY TWO THOUSAND POUNDS to spend on... clothes

    Is that even possible? Once you've got two Savile Row suits and two pairs of Lobbs, you've still got about £20k left

    You should see my wardrobe.
    Which, along with your new-iPhone-a-year addiction, makes me think that you have far, far more money than sense. ;)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Eabhal said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    I am not ready for 5 years of the Conservatives calling everything they don't like "two-tier". This is the new woke, isn't it?

    I might see a wedding cake and have a minor panic attack.
    Does that mean they’ve gone off the grammar school system ?
  • Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    I am not ready for 5 years of the Conservatives calling everything they don't like "two-tier". This is the new woke, isn't it?

    I might see a wedding cake and have a minor panic attack.
    Does that mean they’ve gone off the grammar school system ?
    Two-tiers are State v. Private.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    Indeed.It’s refreshing that we have a PM and First Lady that look smart on the world stage.

    Labour donor gives a clothing allowance to Labour politicians. So what?
    I thought "there is no money left"...
    You do realise that Labour’s donations aren’t taxpayers’ money? I mean if you don’t realise that then you are no different to most PBers and 70% of Joe Public TBF.
    So the money is in the hands of the Fat-Cat donors?
    Well yes, but that’s the system we have. If you want to ban donations and have state-funding for political parties I’m all for it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump keen on peace in Ukraine: https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1839685807717703889

    Apparently, Putin would like the war to stop too.

    Also, Trump looks *very* old for the first time.

    By the look on his face I think Zelensky realises if Trump wins so does Putin, Crimea certainly and much of the Eastern border regions of Ukraine will be handed over to Moscow in a Trump imposed 'peace deal'. I don't think any European nation and leader has any desire to fund and supply Zelensky to take the fight to Putin themselves without US support, certainly now Boris and Truss have gone. Even the Poles
    Don't be so sure. I think much of Europe is very determined and there would be a push to use seized Russian funds to increase European funding for the war. Trump might not object to Europe using such money to buy American manufactured weaponry, particularly if he thought he would get a cut.

    The Ukrainians themselves might decide that a pause in the war would be to their advantage. This is one reason why they are pushing for the maximum support now in the few months before the inauguration.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cdje9nz7ll1o

    Watch: Can BBC reporter's AI clone fool his colleagues?

    01:30
    Watch: Can BBC reporter's AI clone fool his colleagues?

    Companies are being warned about the increasing use of AI to carry out so-called CEO Fraud.

    More victims are coming forward with their stories of being targeted using generative AI techniques, and one case in Hong Kong reportedly saw an AI clone used during a video meeting to trick staff into losing $25m.
  • Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    I am not ready for 5 years of the Conservatives calling everything they don't like "two-tier". This is the new woke, isn't it?

    I might see a wedding cake and have a minor panic attack.
    Does that mean they’ve gone off the grammar school system ?
    Two-tiers are State v. Private.
    The two-tier system the blue party really don't like is the one called government vs. opposition.

    (Yes, shouting without responsibility is fun, but it's a hollow kind of fun, isn't it?)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Leon said:

    SKS.

    Sir Keir Royale.

    Gordon Brittas.

    Sir Sheer Wanker.

    CURRYGATE.

    DONKEYGATE.

    FROCKGATE.








    TRUSS.

    Sorry. Are you upset again that by slightly criticising Sir Kir Royale for spending eleventy five trillion pounds of someone else’s money on golden y-fronts made of angel hair we are “destabilising the realm”?
    What’s this destabilising the realm shit? Nothing to do with me.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Who, here, would begrudge the First Lord of the Treasury 100 pairs of silk-cashmere socks at £450 a pair? Fair dos, he has a hard job, this is just petty quibbling now. Fair dos

    It's the politics of envy.

    We saw it when Sunak used his own money to buy expensive fashion choices.
    You mean he has more money than sense?
    More politics of envy.
    Indeed.It’s refreshing that we have a PM and First Lady that look smart on the world stage.

    Labour donor gives a clothing allowance to Labour politicians. So what?
    I thought "there is no money left"...
    You do realise that Labour’s donations aren’t taxpayers’ money? I mean if you don’t realise that then you are no different to most PBers and 70% of Joe Public TBF.
    So the money is in the hands of the Fat-Cat donors?
    Well yes, but that’s the system we have. If you want to ban donations and have state-funding for political parties I’m all for it.
    WANKER
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,578
    SteveS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tolls on the new Silvertown Tunnel are due come into force next year, alongside new tolls on the existing nearby Blackwall Tunnel.

    It could cost cars and small vans £4 per trip in peak hours or £1.50 off peak. There would be a reduction for some drivers, for example those on low incomes.

    Bexley councillor Richard Diment says the tolls will create a "two-tier London", adding: "In central and western London, where there are far more crossings, no tolls are charged. It will make south-east London even more isolated than it is already."

    He is particularly against the decision to toll Blackwall tunnel, "which has had no toll on it since it opened in the 1890s".

    "Over here in the east, where we have relatively few river crossings, people are going to have to pay.

    "It creates a two-tier London."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j0m7gkvdo

    It's a two tier London already, because the queues for the Blackwall tunnel make it almost unusable today already.

    If the tolls reduce the wait time, it makes South East London more attractive, not less.
    But how do you get across the river?
    Rotherhithe tunnel. A miracle of engineering.
    Which, apparently, you can walk through. I never tried that.
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