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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    It’s been such a long time since Rishi was PM. What a different world we lived in!
    Yes, bit his looks like a hospitality seat too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,569
    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    Twickenham hospitality once as well, awesome day out.

    Two memories of that day, the first was that England beat Australia, and we scored a try from their 22 right at the end. The other was that it was around Remembrance Day, and before the match 80,000 people stood for two minutes’ silence so impeccably observed that you could have heard the proverbial pin drop in the stadium.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,948
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    I once saw Tony Blair in the Surfside Bar in Holetown watching the Arsenal v Chelsea game and he didn't have any protection. Not quite the same, I appreciate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    It's part of the curse of fame not being able to live a normal life again.

    The days of Baldwins famous train anecdote are long gone.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,794
    Big move in 538 probabilities this morning with their simulations now favouring Harris 61:39
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

    This is the result of a series of high quality national polls showing Harris's margin increasing to 4%+ and some good polls in some of the states too. It appears that the debate has shifted perceptions somewhat. Although the move is modest, when it is added to Harris's previous advantage it is becoming significant.

    Trump needs to find a way to change perceptions. With no new debates its not immediately obvious how he is going to do that.

    Oh, and isn't it great having our posts back the right way up. Well done Robert!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,569

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Sir Sleazy and Lady Muck.

    A less entertaining version of Boris and Carrie.
    Sir Keir Sponger - will he gain two awful nicknames before he's completed a year in office?

    I'll freely admit it's giving me warm feelings for Rishi Sunak. At least he did sit in the stands, even if one suspected it was a sort of pose, like when he filled up his nanny's Dacia Duster.
    I’ll eat one of my hats if there’s a better double entendre today.
    That’s nothing, Kamala Harris’s husband once filled up his nanny.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,361
    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    I did at Twickenham many moons ago. Thanks to a toolmaker I dealt with. It was ace.

    Nowadays I cannot accept anything more than a desk diary from any company I deal with.
  • The death of shame in politics and related commentary is under examined I think.

    https://x.com/flying_rodent/status/1835901830091436389?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    For an unscheduled attendance at a sporting event, a couple of policemen could I’m sure be accomodated by the ground.

    He doesn’t need to be given several hundred quid’s worth of hospitality sitting with the prawn sandwich and champagne brigade.

    He could even buy his own hospitality ticket if he wants, he gets paid net £10k a month.
    Freebies are one of the perks of being a front bencher, and a long tradition.

    It's buying influence and access of course, just like those party fundraising dinners, or prizes of playing tennis with David Cameron etc.

    Few seem able to resist.
    Starmer's problem is he claimed he would drain the swamp of low level corruption like PPE contracts and overruling planning objections to Richard Desmond's property empire ambitions, and here he is doing things that are far, far worse

    Thanks to @williamglenn for keeping the light shining on this corruption.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,794
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    I did at Twickenham many moons ago. Thanks to a toolmaker I dealt with. It was ace.

    Nowadays I cannot accept anything more than a desk diary from any company I deal with.
    You knew Sir Keir's dad??
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    I did at Twickenham many moons ago. Thanks to a toolmaker I dealt with. It was ace.

    Nowadays I cannot accept anything more than a desk diary from any company I deal with.
    I think this touches on a point why it has become more toxic. Lots of jobs you can't accept any gifts personally these days, where as 30-40 years ago it was quite normal part of doing business (and the soft and hard corruption that can come along with it).

    There was the story about a lowly street cleaner not even been able to accept a holiday that residents fund raised for.

    Waste firm Veolia has refused to let a beloved street cleaner accept nearly £3,000 raised by his neighbours
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13735507/Veolia-street-cleaner-raised-money-holiday-Portugal-offer-cash-charity.html

    Where as PM's are having the very fancy wallpaper and suits paid for when they are millionaires and can make multiples of that as soon as they leave office.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited September 17
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    I did at Twickenham many moons ago. Thanks to a toolmaker I dealt with. It was ace.

    Nowadays I cannot accept anything more than a desk diary from any company I deal with.
    You knew Sir Keir's dad??
    I never knew he was a toolmarker. Always wondered what he did for a living.
  • NEW THREAD

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    I did at Twickenham many moons ago. Thanks to a toolmaker I dealt with. It was ace.

    Nowadays I cannot accept anything more than a desk diary from any company I deal with.
    I think this touches on a point why it has become more toxic. Lots of jobs you can't accept any gifts personally these days, where as 30-40 years ago it was quite normal part of doing business (and the soft and hard corruption that can come along with it).

    There was the story about a lowly street cleaner not even been able to accept a holiday that residents fund raised for.

    Waste firm Veolia has refused to let a beloved street cleaner accept nearly £3,000 raised by his neighbours
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13735507/Veolia-street-cleaner-raised-money-holiday-Portugal-offer-cash-charity.html

    Where as PM's are having the very fancy wallpaper and suits paid for when they are millionaires and can make multiples of that as soon as they leave office.
    Excuse me, after months of graft Boris Johnson may now be a multi millionaire, but he was as poor as a church mouse when he was slumming it in that public sector flat in Downing Street.

    I hope Starmer's wallpaper freebie is less ostentatious than the Lulu Lytle monstrosity that currently tanks the value of the No 11 apartment.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,189
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump: Democrats said please don’t call immigrants animals. I said, no, they’re not humans, they’re animals
    https://x.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1835788796773986651

    This is dangerous stuff.

    all of his wives were immigrants IIRC
    the actual quote (from April):

    "The 22-year-old nursing student in Georgia who was barbarically murdered by an illegal alien animal. The Democrats say please don’t call them animals. I said, no, they’re not humans, they’re animals"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jyDbqa-nHc

    I don't think any of Trump's wives were illegal aliens when he married them, though didn't Melania work illegally in the US before they were married? So does that count?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."

    Well the vast majority of the other 60,000 people at each match manage to buy their own tickets just fine, and I’ll take a random guess that most of them get paid considerably less than the Prime Minister.

    £10 says he gets to watch Oasis as a guest of the FA at Wembley too.
    Sadly the days when a PM could go to a match with no security detail are gone. Though have any ever tried?

    Those look awfully like the hospitality seats at the Dell:

    https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24329091.rishi-sunak-spotted-southampton-game-west-brom/

    I had hospitality seats once at The Walkers Stadium, given by one of the directors as a thank you for treating them. Nice bloke, but the only time I have had to wear collar and tie to a match. Sandwiches and drinks at half time, and no queue for the bogs were nice, but a bit soulless compare to my usual seat.
    I got the full hospitality experience at the Rugby once. That was fun
    I did at Twickenham many moons ago. Thanks to a toolmaker I dealt with. It was ace.

    Nowadays I cannot accept anything more than a desk diary from any company I deal
    with.
    Did you meet the toolmaker’s son?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,211
    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1835787536599539878

    Tonight, I set a new national ambition. For the first time, studying the Holocaust will become a critical part of every student’s identity.

    Since the Holocaust is the only thing every school is legally required to teach in KS3 History I've no idea what his point is.
    Odd use of the word “identity” too. Just say what you mean you moron.
    It's worse than that it's sinister.
  • Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Meanwhile, in "that's a relief" news,

    Junior doctors in England have accepted the government’s offer of a 22% pay rise over two years, ending their long-running dispute.

    Members of the British Medical Association backed the deal with 66% voting in favour. Nearly 46,000 took part in the online ballot.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5yy13ng33o

    This is, twitter informs me, only 4% more than they would have got by accepting the pay rises over the last couple of years as they came in. No idea of the veracity.
    Four percent more for last year, plus this year's pay review recommendation in full.

    The second bit shouldn't be controversial, but it possibly is.
    It shows that all the "35% is needed as a minimum" was a load of crap.

    This could have been sorted out last year if the BMA had wanted to.

    The other health unions did so, why not the doctors.
    The 35% is a longer term ambition.

    It wasn't the BMA that kept the strikes going, it was the members voting massively in favour of striking.

    And make your mind up, is 22% over 2 years massively inflationary? Or trivally more than the Tories were offering?

    Doctors lied, people died.

    They could have had 22% a year ago if they'd been prepared to negotiate honestly.

    This certainly shows that the Conservative government was correct in opposing the doctors dishonest pay claims.
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