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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,738

    You've glossed over the improbability of stage one: the election of a Lib Dem government.
    A LD majority government is unlikely in 2029, but holding the balance of power in a hung parliament and therefore being in a position to influence European policy of the government much more likely. Particularly as we would be pushing at an open door with much of the Labour party (Starmer would be out if he loses his majority) and in agreement with Greens, PC, and SNP.

    It's a long game, but with the continuing decline in the polling for Brexit, and a net million of Leavers departing via the Grim Reaper by 2029, we are only going in one direction.
  • Links?
    https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2024/04/08/only-one-in-four-british-muslims-believe-hamas-committed-murder-and-rape-in-israel-on-october-7th/
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756
    Test
  • boulay said:

    It’s just tragic wankery. Grown adults thinking they are edgy by dressing badly. You have people praising Angela Rayner for dressing like a student - she’s a sodding cabinet member, Deputy PM of the UK. Scruffy politicians for a scruffy country.
    Boris!!


  • Indeed
    Morning suits are rubbish. Morning coat and spongebag trousers, like the guy on the right.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    Nunu5 said:

    That will make houses cheaper to buy.
    Don’t worry. They will probably be bought by a large commercial landlord, who will put the rental prices up, and reduce the service levels.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,391
    edited September 2024

    https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2024/04/08/only-one-in-four-british-muslims-believe-hamas-committed-murder-and-rape-in-israel-on-october-7th/
    Some of these questions 👀👀👀

    Which of the following statements comes closest to your view in explaining why Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th?

    Because Hamas wanted to kill Jews and is set on the destruction of Israel

    Because Hamas wanted to forward the Palestinian cause
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,943

    Don’t worry. They will probably be bought by a large commercial landlord, who will put the rental prices up, and reduce the service levels.
    And hopefully Labour will screw them over too. This violin emoji is going to seriously abused over the next 6 months.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,153
    edited September 2024

    ‘I’m selling 35 of my 65 rental homes – this is only the beginning under Labour’

    For many fed-up landlords, the Renters’ Rights Bill is the final straw


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buy-to-let/selling-35-rental-homes-labour-not-only-one/

    The main problem he has is Osborne's decision essentially to treat business expenses such as mortgage interest as income, rather than being a business expense, in the tax system.

    He's selling half to reduce leverage to manage his tax expenses imposed inconsistently by Osborne.

    That abuse needs reform.

    With a portfolio that size his solution would have been to set up a property company for any acquired post-Osborne, and deleverage the personally owned ones.

    His "this is only the beginning" strikes me as a little hysterical. The Renters' Rights Bill does not show too many problems so far.

    eg What is the problem with investigating hazards within a fortnight?

    Full text of article:
    https://archive.ph/0ASZu
  • Surely it's "boss's"?

    @davidlammy

    The boss' team won this time against the run of play, but it's still early in the season. #northlondonderby

    https://x.com/DavidLammy/status/1835338330998726989
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,153
    edited September 2024
    Nunu5 said:

    That will make houses cheaper to buy.
    I don't see it. The % of the market is tiny, and since occupation will be less dense there is no indication that the demand-supply balance will actually change.

    There will be a comparatively far greater adjustment in the PRS, because it is a far smaller segment of the market.

    When rentals in Scotland were reformed in 2015 (?) (which was a good thing in certain respects) it was notable how comparatively quickly rents increased over the following years.

    "We hate landlords" politics are *never* in the interest of tenants.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,923
    Roger said:

    What's the new campaigning technique?
    Avoiding policy questions and positions as much as possible and concentrate on eyecatching cheerful locations/activities to give off a cheerful aspect without all that messy political stuff. I'd call it the Davey technique but I don't know what others do

    Here's three examples from Walz
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5DnJVpM9bdk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llvsjx5ubUI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S233kqP0ak8
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,943
    Uh ho, another assassination attempt on Trump?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    Foxy said:

    A LD majority government is unlikely in 2029, but holding the balance of power in a hung parliament and therefore being in a position to influence European policy of the government much more likely. Particularly as we would be pushing at an open door with much of the Labour party (Starmer would be out if he loses his majority) and in agreement with Greens, PC, and SNP.

    It's a long game, but with the continuing decline in the polling for Brexit, and a net million of Leavers departing via the Grim Reaper by 2029, we are only going in one direction.
    Delusional

    No government would ever take the risk of an EU referendum unless it was sure it would win: and we would vote to Rejoin

    But the only time we might vote for all the hassles of Rejoin - the years of negotiation and uncertainty, the strong possibility of another EU state vetoing - is if Britain is an economic basket case and we are desperate

    But in that situation the government will be deeply unpopular and will never call a referendum in case it loses as the people vent their anger

    There is no way around this paradox. We are never going back in

    Also, as time goes by the advantages of being outside will accrue and the pains of separation will recede into memory. See the recent Apple announcements for evidence of the first
  • Foxy said:

    Sounds like a nice CGT windfall for Reeves. Winners all round!
    Nah, he will buy the First Lady some fancy knickers and an exemption applying to his case will coincidentally crop up in the budget. You have a lot to learn about life in a banana republic.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,041

    Surely it's "boss's"?

    @davidlammy

    The boss' team won this time against the run of play, but it's still early in the season. #northlondonderby

    https://x.com/DavidLammy/status/1835338330998726989

    It’s the same apostrophe situation as “useless thicko sucks up to boss’s football team”.
  • The country's gone to the dogs ever since PMs stopped wearing morning suits as standard.

    If I ever became PM I would insist on morning suits to be worn during all official events/meetings.
    Even if these events occurred in the evening??
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838
    Leon said:

    In the Peaks? I love the Peak District. It’s so peculiar - that wildness tucked away amidst urban/industrial Britain

    I’ve now decided this is actually the SECOND best cycle path in the world. There is an even more stimulating one - also completely flat - in the Everglades National Park, where you are expected to calmly cycle around all the wild alligators (that like to bask on the tarmac)

    It was terrifying but the rangers at the gates assured me it was safe. I still wonder if they were hoping I would get eaten
    How well were they acquainted with you ?
  • Leon said:

    Also, as time goes by the advantages of being outside will accrue and the pains of separation will recede into memory. See the recent Apple announcements for evidence of the first

    Even Nick Clegg says that the EU is "incoherent" and falling behind in tech. The world is moving on while for some people it's forever 2016.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    edited September 2024
    Cookie said:

    Yes - ISTR the Monsal Trail is actually in the top two of Peak District visitor attractions (vying with Chatsworth). It's well worth a visit - with an early start you can do there-and-back in a morning before a late lunch at the Blind Bull in Great Hucklow. Or else stop in Bakewell for a Bakewell-pudding-based elevenses.

    I'm pleased you like the Peaks. For me, it's one of those situations where we don't value highly enough what's right on our doorstep; I enjoy the Peaks, but I can see them from the motorway bridge at the end of the road, so are a bit unexotic - I get much more excited about the Lakes and the Yorkshire Dales.

    But I remember a night away at a hotel in the Peaks a couple of years back, at which there was a wedding the next day, and lots of 20 somethings from London were turning up - I very much enjoyed the genuine awe they were expressing at the scenery in what I kind of consider my back yard.

    That's been added to my list.

    But surely the greatest cycle trail in Europe is the Mawddach Trail at Dolgellau. Scenery of the Alps with the gradients of Holland - plus a pub en route in an old station building.
  • boulay said:

    It’s the same apostrophe situation as “useless thicko sucks up to boss’s football team”.
    This is a mildly interesting topic, but hardly on a par with Marie Antoinette' discovery of radium.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,153
    edited September 2024
    ydoethur said:

    That's been added to my list.

    But surely the greatest cycle trail in Europe is the Mawddach Trail at Dolgellau. Scenery of the Alps with the gradients of Holland - plus a pub en route in an old station building.
    I'd suggest the greatest cycle trail in Europe is to do the length of the Rhine. Cycling Mikey did that I think last year, and did various videoblogs.

    On the Monsal Trail walking / cycling path, we've only just seen off an attempt to turn it back into a railway.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,041
    mercator said:

    This is a mildly interesting topic, but hardly on a par with Marie Antoinette' discovery of radium.
    Let them eat yellowcake.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    Eabhal said:

    Uh ho, another assassination attempt on Trump?

    It took place on a golf course.

    Do we know that @Dura_Ace is safe and at liberty?

    (It may have been a mistake of course. Trump may have been trying to shoot below 200 for once and got frustrated.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,153
    edited September 2024
    viewcode said:

    Avoiding policy questions and positions as much as possible and concentrate on eyecatching cheerful locations/activities to give off a cheerful aspect without all that messy political stuff. I'd call it the Davey technique but I don't know what others do

    Here's three examples from Walz
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5DnJVpM9bdk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llvsjx5ubUI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S233kqP0ak8
    A take on that I heard was that having established their brand, identity, and policies compared to Chump, they are now moving into doing a personal visit in as many localities as possible in what might be called a process of "Defeat Donald in Detail".
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,041
    ydoethur said:

    It took place on a golf course.

    Do we know that @Dura_Ace is safe and at liberty?

    (It may have been a mistake of course. Trump may have been trying to shoot below 200 for once and got frustrated.)
    Must have been an assassination attempt because there is no way there would be gunfire in the US yet alone Florida. Unheard of.
  • https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1835396176344182896

    Breaking from @KristenhCNN and @JohnMillerCNN: "Officials believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for former President Donald Trump, according to sources familiar on the matter."
  • Even if these events occurred in the evening??
    Yes, but white tie is ideal for evening events.

    I am attending an event soon, and this is the dress code.

    Mansion House Banquets — "White Tie (black tie optional)" or "White Tie Preferred"

    The preferred dress code at most Mansion House banquets is white tie, national dress or uniform for gentlemen and a long dress or skirt and evening top for ladies. Cocktail dress length does not normally accompany white tie and many ladies enjoy the opportunity to dress to the highest fashion at these special events. Decorations should be worn, usually miniatures; this will usually be specified in the invitation.

    White tie means a plain white tie, dress shirt with a collar that does not turn down except for two small wings, a white waistcoat, a tailcoat and dress trousers. It is perfectly acceptable for liverymen and guests without white tie to attend in black tie with a white dress shirt and black dinner jacket plus sober waistcoat or cummerbund, and they will not feel out of place in doing so. Liverymen and guests on top table are expected to wear white tie. If you are a host, it is wise to check with your guests (and vice versa) to avoid any sartorial embarrassment.

    Mansion House staff reserve the right to refuse admission to anyone wearing a coloured shirt or coloured bow tie.


  • Foxy said:

    A LD majority government is unlikely in 2029, but holding the balance of power in a hung parliament and therefore being in a position to influence European policy of the government much more likely. Particularly as we would be pushing at an open door with much of the Labour party (Starmer would be out if he loses his majority) and in agreement with Greens, PC, and SNP.

    It's a long game, but with the continuing decline in the polling for Brexit, and a net million of Leavers departing via the Grim Reaper by 2029, we are only going in one direction.
    More likely, Starmer retires in 2030ish to tepid gratitude for a job adequately done.

    In the same way that the next Conservative leader is having to show quite a lot of anti-immigration ankle to get the gig, the next Labour leader will need to provide some Europhile beef to win the internal election.
  • Where's @williamglenn when balance is required? Surely there's a Rasmussen or Trafalgar poll available with Trump ten points ahead.

    FPT.

    FWIW I believe the WFA issue is a massive misstep, and one Starmer and Reeves appear to be disinclined to walk back from, which is bizarre.

    Most of the other criticisms on here and in the Tory client media, that the haven't stopped the boats because they jettisoned the "fantastic" Rwanda plan, although flights of failed asylum seekers have left the country to no fanfare. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpe388jy2n3o.amp The accusation that Reeves has squandered the "golden legacy" and they have lost control over the NHS and prison management which was in Trumpian terms "great" under the Tories is all nonsense. The remaining Jenrick-smoothing Tories on here seem to believe if they can talk up a Starmer failure their boy is a shoo in in 2029. Of course Labour probably will be useless, and after ten weeks we have little evidence bto suggest otherwise, but will the Conservatives romp home unopposed in five years time? Our faithful friends on here, on the BBC and in the Telegraph don't seem to have twigged just how despised the Johnson and post- Johnson Tories are.

    As to Mrs Starmer's clothing gift, whilst unwise, it's not (yet) on the scale of Lulu Lytle's wallpaper, the PPE fast lane scandal and of course Robert Jenrick's outrageous planning intervention on behalf of the pornographer and Tory donor Richard Desmond.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/robert-jenrick-richard-desmond-housing-tory-donor-westferry-a9631876.html
    Or the £800k line of credit, it is more on a par with the Bamford's supply of Daylesford hampers to the backdoor of No. 10. Jenrick just showed himself up as not only corrupt, but incredibly cheap to corrupt.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,041

    Yes, but white tie is ideal for evening events.

    I am attending an event soon, and this is the dress code.

    Mansion House Banquets — "White Tie (black tie optional)" or "White Tie Preferred"

    The preferred dress code at most Mansion House banquets is white tie, national dress or uniform for gentlemen and a long dress or skirt and evening top for ladies. Cocktail dress length does not normally accompany white tie and many ladies enjoy the opportunity to dress to the highest fashion at these special events. Decorations should be worn, usually miniatures; this will usually be specified in the invitation.

    White tie means a plain white tie, dress shirt with a collar that does not turn down except for two small wings, a white waistcoat, a tailcoat and dress trousers. It is perfectly acceptable for liverymen and guests without white tie to attend in black tie with a white dress shirt and black dinner jacket plus sober waistcoat or cummerbund, and they will not feel out of place in doing so. Liverymen and guests on top table are expected to wear white tie. If you are a host, it is wise to check with your guests (and vice versa) to avoid any sartorial embarrassment.

    Mansion House staff reserve the right to refuse admission to anyone wearing a coloured shirt or coloured bow tie.


    Bit worrying that the guest list needs to be told what constitutes “white tie”. Society’s gone.
  • Eabhal said:

    Here's 35 tiny violins:

    🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻 🎻 🎻🎻🎻 🎻
    Fine but expect rents to rise

  • Yes, but white tie is ideal for evening events.

    I am attending an event soon, and this is the dress code.

    Mansion House Banquets — "White Tie (black tie optional)" or "White Tie Preferred"

    The preferred dress code at most Mansion House banquets is white tie, national dress or uniform for gentlemen and a long dress or skirt and evening top for ladies. Cocktail dress length does not normally accompany white tie and many ladies enjoy the opportunity to dress to the highest fashion at these special events. Decorations should be worn, usually miniatures; this will usually be specified in the invitation.

    White tie means a plain white tie, dress shirt with a collar that does not turn down except for two small wings, a white waistcoat, a tailcoat and dress trousers. It is perfectly acceptable for liverymen and guests without white tie to attend in black tie with a white dress shirt and black dinner jacket plus sober waistcoat or cummerbund, and they will not feel out of place in doing so. Liverymen and guests on top table are expected to wear white tie. If you are a host, it is wise to check with your guests (and vice versa) to avoid any sartorial embarrassment.

    Mansion House staff reserve the right to refuse admission to anyone wearing a coloured shirt or coloured bow tie.


    As a proper conservative I would wear a morning coat and explain when challenged that I was in permanent morning for Lady Thatcher.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838
    mercator said:

    Morning suits are rubbish. Morning coat and spongebag trousers, like the guy on the right.
    A couple of threads about the bollocks talked about threads.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1835286707169873957

    A Brief History of Nobody Dresses Well Anymore
    https://x.com/paulisci/status/1821308647760409086

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,738

    More likely, Starmer retires in 2030ish to tepid gratitude for a job adequately done.

    In the same way that the next Conservative leader is having to show quite a lot of anti-immigration ankle to get the gig, the next Labour leader will need to provide some Europhile beef to win the internal election.
    Yes, I think so too. The Ming vase strategy became obsolete on July 5th. Next GE will be different, and I agree that a switch in Labour leader is likely.
  • boulay said:

    Bit worrying that the guest list needs to be told what constitutes “white tie”. Society’s gone.
    As a working class lad I find these instructions useful so I don't make any faux pas at these events.
  • To those interested in railways

    North Wales has some of Europe's most 'beautiful' train journeys, survey finds

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-europes-most-beautiful-29927706#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,153
    edited September 2024
    mercator said:

    Nah, he will buy the First Lady some fancy knickers and an exemption applying to his case will coincidentally crop up in the budget. You have a lot to learn about life in a banana republic.
    Appearance of corruption was Robert Jenrick I think.

    In personal communication with Richard Desmond re: a planning decision, then used his Housing Minister position to approve the Planning Permission on Westferry, which would have helped Desmond avoid £45m in tax - payable to Tower Hamlets if it had been approved one day later.

    Then 2 weeks later accepted a donation from Desmond of £12k.

    I'd be interested to know the outcome re whether the action was lawful given the communication.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/24/robert-jenrick-planning-row-the-key-questions-answered

    It was unlawful. Essentially Jenrick abused his authority and displayed "apparent bias".

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/18/westferry-property-scheme-ditched-after-minister-rejects-appeal-robert-jenrick-richard-desmond

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/25/tory-donor-richard-desmond-revives-controversial-east-london-housing-development

    If they elect him, they deserve everything they get.
  • As a working class lad I find these instructions useful so I don't make any faux pas at these events.
    Just stay in and wash your hair vs attending events with "guests without white tie", there's no knowing what you might catch from them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    edited September 2024

    To those interested in railways

    North Wales has some of Europe's most 'beautiful' train journeys, survey finds

    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-europes-most-beautiful-29927706#ICID=Android_DailyPostNewsApp_AppShare

    I'm genuinely startled by that second one.

    I lived in Aber for 7 years and have travelled the Vale of Rheidol many times, but fond though I am of it it's not *that* scenic.

    I'd put it behind the Talyllyn, the Cambrian Coastline, the Conwy Valley, the Central Wales and the Welsh Highland.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,050
    MattW said:

    Appearance of corruption was Robert Jenrick I think.

    In personal communication with Richard Desmond re: a planning decision, then used his Housing Minister position to approve the Planning Permission on Westferry, which would have helped Desmond avoid £45m in tax - payable to Tower Hamlets if it had been approved one day later.

    Then 2 weeks later accepted a donation from Desmond of £12k.

    I'd be interested to know the outcome re whether the action was lawful given the communication.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/24/robert-jenrick-planning-row-the-key-questions-answered

    It was unlawful. Essentially Jenrick abused his authority and displayed "apparent bias".

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/18/westferry-property-scheme-ditched-after-minister-rejects-appeal-robert-jenrick-richard-desmond

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/25/tory-donor-richard-desmond-revives-controversial-east-london-housing-development

    If they elect him, they deserve everything they get.
    They will get nothing.

    Which, if 'nothing=oblivion' will definitely be what they deserve.
  • Blenheim Palace is a magnificent testimony to some of the most egotistical people to have ever lived.

    Imagine building a place where you have a state room with a tapestry covering a vast wall - showing yourself winning battle. You move to the next state room with a giant tapestry showing you winning another battle…. You proceed thus to the front of your house to look up a driveway to a triumphal column dedicated to yourself…

    It makes the Kardassians appear entirely uninterested in themselves….
    And it's eye wateringly expensive!
  • MattW said:

    Appearance of corruption was Robert Jenrick I think.

    In personal communication with Richard Desmond re: a planning decision, then used his Housing Minister position to approve the Planning Permission on Westferry, which would have helped Desmond avoid £45m in tax - payable to Tower Hamlets if it had been approved one day later.

    Then 2 weeks later accepted a donation from Desmond of £12k.

    I'd be interested to know the outcome re whether the action was lawful given the communication.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/24/robert-jenrick-planning-row-the-key-questions-answered

    It was unlawful. Essentially Jenrick abused his authority and displayed "apparent bias".

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/18/westferry-property-scheme-ditched-after-minister-rejects-appeal-robert-jenrick-richard-desmond

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/nov/25/tory-donor-richard-desmond-revives-controversial-east-london-housing-development

    If they elect him, they deserve everything they get.
    For sure Jenrick is horrific. But "less corrupt than Robert Jenrick" doesn't sell a PM to me any more than "less paedophilic than Jimmy Savile" sells a babysitter.
  • Dopermean said:

    And it's eye wateringly expensive!
    The current Duke is a worthy successor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Spencer-Churchill,_12th_Duke_of_Marlborough
  • mercator said:

    For sure Jenrick is horrific. But "less corrupt than Robert Jenrick" doesn't sell a PM to me any more than "less paedophilic than Jimmy Savile" sells a babysitter.
    Though if the choice is either/or (and it probably will be), it really should do.
  • ydoethur said:

    I'm genuinely startled by that second one.

    I lived in Aber for 7 years and have travelled the Vale of Rheidol many times, but fond though I am of it it's not *that* scenic.

    I'd put it behind the Talyllyn, the Cambrian Coastline, the Conwy Valley, the Central Wales and the Welsh Highland.
    We intend doing it next year, but we did do the Welsh Highland from Caernarfon to Porthmadog and it is a wonderful day out with stunnung scenery and narrow gauge steam trains
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838
    Season 2 of Pachinko is good.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,041

    As a working class lad I find these instructions useful so I don't make any faux pas at these events.
    It’s the sad reality for northerners from random private schools! Turn up in a safari suit - it will show you are so important you can ignore the rules.
  • https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1835396176344182896

    Breaking from @KristenhCNN and @JohnMillerCNN: "Officials believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for former President Donald Trump, according to sources familiar on the matter."

    Harris's response is LOL: "Violence has no place in America," she wrote.

    It's like one of those questions from the King William's Xmas Quiz: "Name ten violent incidents in the history of America".
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,959

    Keir is like three Prime Ministers rolled into one!

    The personality of May, the integrity of Johnson and the empathy of Truss.

    What a time to be alive!

    https://x.com/MightyMightyO1/status/1835256707636715948

    No wonder people call him a Conservative!
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,165

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1835396176344182896

    Breaking from @KristenhCNN and @JohnMillerCNN: "Officials believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for former President Donald Trump, according to sources familiar on the matter."

    They're going to fire another head of the Secret Service? Talk about a poisoned chalice.
  • Arrogant pro-Trumper on SKY news just now!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,254
    David Baddiel joins the exodus (TSE would be jealous of that one!).

    Who owns the JC? Some shady right wing character in the US apparently.

    I suspect this one is going to run.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/sep/15/columnists-quit-jewish-chronicle-gaza-conflict-stories
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860
    edited September 2024
    ...

    Fine but expect rents to rise

    It's a shame that all that good quality post war council house stock was sold for a song under "the right to buy" scheme, some of which was returned to private rental sector Rachmanesque landlords. Oh well!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860

    https://x.com/brianstelter/status/1835396176344182896

    Breaking from @KristenhCNN and @JohnMillerCNN: "Officials believe the shots fired at Trump International Golf Club were intended for former President Donald Trump, according to sources familiar on the matter."

    Ooh, another ten point polling boost on its way. Huzzah!

    Donald Trump should be nowhere near gunfire, what with his heel spurs.
  • ...

    It's a shame that all that good quality post war council house stock was sold for a song under "the right to buy" scheme, some of which was returned to private rental sector Rachmanesque landlords. Oh well!
    Didn't Angela Rayner profit under this scheme
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    I’m now on a school bus with loads of whooping and happy Canucks heading to the 14th annual Okanagan “Feast of Fields” food, beer and wine festival

    I have the strangest job
  • Arrogant pro-Trumper on SKY news just now!

    Terrible and rude individual
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860
    edited September 2024

    Arrogant pro-Trumper on SKY news just now!

    Are there any modest Trumpers?

    Didn't Angela Rayner profit under this scheme
    And she quite rightly took the flak from the left (and the Conservatives for her hypocrisy) that she richly deserved.

  • Allie Hodgkins-Brown
    @AllieHBNews
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    Monday’s FINANCIAL Times: “Harris maintains post-debate lead over Trump on economy, says poll” #TomorrowsPapersToday
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860

    Terrible and rude individual
    I find Sunil rather amiable.
  • Ooh, another ten point polling boost on its way. Huzzah!

    Donald Trump should be nowhere near gunfire, what with his heel spurs.
    My Vance next potus bet would be 4 figures up if this had turned out different. Learn to shoot straight, peeps.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860
    Leon said:

    I’m now on a school bus with loads of whooping and happy Canucks

    I'm strangely reminded of the original Dirty Harry film
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    edited September 2024
    Nigelb said:

    A couple of threads about the bollocks talked about threads.

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1835286707169873957

    A Brief History of Nobody Dresses Well Anymore
    https://x.com/paulisci/status/1821308647760409086

    I agree. It’s been downhill since appearing in the Forum with a gang of bullies to massacre the plebs *without a proper toga* became acceptable.

    I mean, any Greek freedman could massacre plebs in a tunic. Takes a Roman of nobility to slaughter in a Proper Toga.
  • I find Sunil rather amiable.
    If you had heard the obnoxious Pro Trump individual you would not joke about it
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Can people stop shooting at Trump . We’re now going to get a week of the orange psycho channeling his no surrender routine .
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    "Boris Johnson destroyed the Conservative party - and the Tory leadership election proves it
    The Strange Death of Tory England (cont)
    NICK COHEN

    Boris Johnson wrote a novel in 2004 called Seventy-Two Virgins – I swear I am not making this up. It was awful. The skills you need to knock out a 1000-word column for a right-wing paper are entirely different from the discipline required to pull off an entire book or, indeed, govern an entire country. Johnson was only ever good for the one liner and the easy laugh. He entertained Conservative readers by deploying a basic literary skill and by playing to their prejudices."

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/boris-johnson-destroyed-the-conservative
  • Leon said:

    I’m now on a school bus with loads of whooping and happy Canucks heading to the 14th annual Okanagan “Feast of Fields” food, beer and wine festival

    I have the strangest job

    Sounds dangerously woke to me looking at their website.

    Are you deep in enemy territory for this assignment?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860
    edited September 2024

    Terrible and rude individual
    Is that the blond lady who is blaming Harris?

    Sky are making it sound like it was a successful attempt.

    It's America, when I was staying in Hell's Kitchen there were gunshots in the vicinity every night
  • Is that the blond lady who is blaming Harris?
    No - it was a male republican who, frankly, was disgracefully rude to Gillian Joseph of Sky
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,811

    Yes, but white tie is ideal for evening events.

    I am attending an event soon, and this is the dress code.

    Mansion House Banquets — "White Tie (black tie optional)" or "White Tie Preferred"

    The preferred dress code at most Mansion House banquets is white tie, national dress or uniform for gentlemen and a long dress or skirt and evening top for ladies. Cocktail dress length does not normally accompany white tie and many ladies enjoy the opportunity to dress to the highest fashion at these special events. Decorations should be worn, usually miniatures; this will usually be specified in the invitation.

    White tie means a plain white tie, dress shirt with a collar that does not turn down except for two small wings, a white waistcoat, a tailcoat and dress trousers. It is perfectly acceptable for liverymen and guests without white tie to attend in black tie with a white dress shirt and black dinner jacket plus sober waistcoat or cummerbund, and they will not feel out of place in doing so. Liverymen and guests on top table are expected to wear white tie. If you are a host, it is wise to check with your guests (and vice versa) to avoid any sartorial embarrassment.

    Mansion House staff reserve the right to refuse admission to anyone wearing a coloured shirt or coloured bow tie.


    Perhaps the world divides very precisely into two at the thought of this. Pride and Delight v Horrendous Nightmare.

  • Allie Hodgkins-Brown
    @AllieHBNews
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    Monday’s FINANCIAL Times: “Harris maintains post-debate lead over Trump on economy, says poll” #TomorrowsPapersToday

    But WSJ yesterday says "Makes good decisions about economic policy - Trump 55 Harris 45"

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/harris-is-still-struggling-to-blunt-trumps-edge-on-the-economy-ddc71a36

    US polling is a mystery to me.
  • nico679 said:

    Can people stop shooting at Trump . We’re now going to get a week of the orange psycho channeling his no surrender routine .

    He is going to use this, even though it looks unconnected, but the election is only just over 8 weeks away so not much longer to wait for Harris to win POTUS
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860
    nico679 said:

    Can people stop shooting at Trump . We’re now going to get a week of the orange psycho channeling his no surrender routine .

    Yes, the Harris debate polling bounce will be stopped in its tracks. Handy that!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838

    No - it was a male republican who, frankly, was disgracefully rude to Gillian Joseph of Sky
    Not JD Vance ?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,876
    edited September 2024
    FBI quoted just now that Trump was subject to an apparent assassination attempt

    This is not good news if true
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860

    He is going to use this, even though it looks unconnected, but the election is only just over 8 weeks away so not much longer to wait for Harris to win POTUS
    She's not going to win. Trump wins the College.
  • Nigelb said:

    Not JD Vance ?
    No
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838
    edited September 2024
    The story Vance doesn't want you to hear about towns like Springfield, Ohio
    https://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2024/09/the-story-vance-doesnt-want-you-hear.html?spref=tw
    … Almost all of these accounts describe the challenges these communities faced in light of the demographic changes they were experiencing. But what is true in every single case is that, prior to the influx of immigrants, these towns were dying. Now, if they can rise above the racism, they have a chance to flourish.

    That is the story David DeWitt tells about Springfield, Ohio.

    The Times details how, after decades of shrinking and uncertainty, Springfield was able to attract new manufacturing and business with a strategic plan, and by 2020 had drawn in food-service firms, logistics companies, and a microchip maker, among others...

    So what, in fact, do we have going on here?

    We have a large population increase over a short period of time; we have a language barrier that can cause various strains; we have housing, schooling, and health services that need adequate resources to deal with a massive and rapid adjustment.

    We also have an eager, dutiful, law-abiding, and peaceful workforce helping revitalize a city and helping local businesses thrive; we have a city’s population swelling instead of declining; we have an influx of new taxpayers and consumers filling blue-collar jobs, paying property taxes, shopping at local stores, and contributing to their community.

    Are there struggles? Absolutely.

    Is it chaos and terror? Absolutely not.
    Let's first of all note that what is happening in all of these small towns started long before the Biden/Harris administration. There is a long history to these dynamics that Trump/Vance want to ignore. That's because they are more interested in fanning the flames of racism and inciting terror in towns like Springfield than they are in finding solutions to help them flourish.

    The truth is that small town America needs immigrants.

    Now run and tell that.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,943
    edited September 2024

    Fine but expect rents to rise

    Much of the demand for rental properties comes from young people with tens of thousands of savings but who are out-competed by BTL landlords and cash buyers when attempting to buy their own home.

    I was one of them. It took an enormous bung from my parents to get on the ladder - for the years I was renting, a very large chunk of my salary went on paying off someone else's mortgage. Now I have my own.

    If landlords flee the market and leave housing available for first time buyers, demand for rental properties will fall as much as supply.
  • Suspect arrested
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited September 2024
    We're now getting reports that the suspect was in the tree line, armed with an AK-47 rifle, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News.

    Multiple law enforcement officials have told the broadcaster that the armed suspect was spotted on the edge of the golf course by a member of Donald Trump's US Secret Service's advance team, two holes ahead from where the president was golfing.

    The suspect reportedly fled the scene after he was engaged by Secret Service agent with multiple gunshots, and the suspect jumped into a car.

    ---

    Sounds like the Secret Service missed.....not exactly enhancing their reputation.
  • Eabhal said:

    Much of the demand for rental properties comes from young people with tens of thousands of savings but who are out-competed by BTL landlords and cash buyers when attempting to buy their own home.

    I was one of them. It took an enormous bung from my parents to get on the ladder - for the years I was renting, a very large chunk of my salary went on paying off someone else's mortgage. Now I have my own.

    If landlords flee the market and leave housing available for first time buyers, demand for rental properties will fall as much as supply.
    I think your last sentence is naive
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860

    FBI quoted just now that Trump was subject to an apparent assination attempt

    This is not good news if true

    From what I can see from Sky it's like shooting through the gates of Downing Street and suggesting it was an assassination attempt on Starmer whilst Starmer is partying in the Rose Garden.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109

    Arrogant pro-Trumper on SKY news just now!

    Name of?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274

    Sounds dangerously woke to me looking at their website.

    Are you deep in enemy territory for this assignment?
    It’s superb

    It’s on a sun-drenched vine-green hillside overlooking the lake - like Norway meets Provence with a dash of Switzerland - and I’m being paid to eat and drink superb tucker and ace wine after having just done the world’s second greatest cycle trail

    Sometimes I wonder why I bother doing this job. Getting paid to travel the world in enormous luxury. Who would willingly do that? But perfect days like this remind me why
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838
    Dayton went from 250,000 people in 1960 to 135,000 people today. In 2011 they became the first certified "Welcoming City" in the country, inviting immigrants to settle there, in hopes of reversing the decline. And by all accounts it's working.
    https://x.com/TVHilton/status/1835402361050943626
  • From what I can see from Sky it's like shooting through the gates of Downing Street and suggesting it was an assassination attempt on Starmer whilst Starmer is partying in the Rose Garden.
    You can be flippant as you like but maybe listen to the news conferences live on Sky now
  • Leon said:

    It’s superb

    It’s on a sun-drenched vine-green hillside overlooking the lake - like Norway meets Provence with a dash of Switzerland - and I’m being paid to eat and drink superb tucker and ace wine after having just done the world’s second greatest cycle trail

    Sometimes I wonder why I bother doing this job. Getting paid to travel the world in enormous luxury. Who would willingly do that? But perfect days like this remind me why
    I did say the Okanagan Valley was worth a visit :-)
  • I did say the Okanagan Valley was worth a visit :-)
    It is
  • Yes, the Harris debate polling bounce will be stopped in its tracks. Handy that!
    Is it weird to be highly suspicious of this "incident"?

    Given he is desperate for a poll boost.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,943

    I think your last sentence is naive
    Why?

    The Conservatives oversaw a form of neo-feudalism, with a significant rise in people who own their homes outright (including 70% of pensioners), landlords, and people who live in private rentals.

    A massive transfer or wealth to the wealthy. Do you really think all of the 37% of households who rent actually want to? The Conservatives used to be the party of homeownership.
  • Eabhal said:

    Why?

    The Conservatives oversaw a form of neo-feudalism, with a significant rise in people who own their homes outright (including 70% of pensioners), landlords, and people who live in private rentals.

    A massive transfer or wealth to the wealthy. Do you really think all of the 37% of households who rent actually want to? The Conservatives used to be the party of homeownership.
    Of course they do but that can only happen with a huge increase in supply
  • Leon said:

    It’s superb

    It’s on a sun-drenched vine-green hillside overlooking the lake - like Norway meets Provence with a dash of Switzerland - and I’m being paid to eat and drink superb tucker and ace wine after having just done the world’s second greatest cycle trail

    Sometimes I wonder why I bother doing this job. Getting paid to travel the world in enormous luxury. Who would willingly do that? But perfect days like this remind me why
    I don't know why you bother doing it either.

    You could be back in London staring at slate grey skies.
  • Apparently the suspect was one or two holes behind Trump at approx 300 to 500 yards
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,838
    .

    We're now getting reports that the suspect was in the tree line, armed with an AK-47 rifle, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News.

    Multiple law enforcement officials have told the broadcaster that the armed suspect was spotted on the edge of the golf course by a member of Donald Trump's US Secret Service's advance team, two holes ahead from where the president was golfing.

    The suspect reportedly fled the scene after he was engaged by Secret Service agent with multiple gunshots, and the suspect jumped into a car.

    ---

    Sounds like the Secret Service missed.....not exactly enhancing their reputation.

    Sounds like they did their job.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,860
    ...

    You can be flippant as you like but maybe listen to the news conferences live on Sky now
    Colour me sceptical. This is Trump theatre. He "will never surrender".
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