I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
It's not meant to be a business. It's meant to sow Fox News style propaganda into boomers houses.
Even if that is true, it does a very poor job of it by the absolute whacko they have on. If they had kept Neil, got Ferrari, Freddie Sayers, those kind of people who have some credibility, i can see some logic. But the crazy coast guy, Darren Grimes, Fox before he got banned, can't be convincing anybody.
The weirdest thing is how they have hired proper presenters / journalists from likes of Sky, then binned them after 6-12 months.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
On the other hand, Paul Marshall is not short of a bob or two. And GBNews needs its audience.
I honestly don't get the game plan, I never have.
Unherd another outlet that Marshall funds, I get that. Its a small operation, positioning itself in a gap where they talk to people who won't be getting a call from BBC / Sky, but without the batshit crazy GB News stuff. There is a market for the talking to "interesting" people in which the host is a smart well read guy who will push back and ask awkward probing questions. I can see how that can be a profitable venture.
GB News is this very expensive operation, paying big bucks, with a very capped viewership. Nobody in the UK has ever got massive audience numbers for 24hr new channels.
Unherd and GB News are supported in the same way that one makes a donation to an art gallery; they provide cultural enrichment.
I think it's pronounced "propaganda". It's not intended to make your life better, it's intended to make you believe what the owner wants
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
On the other hand, Paul Marshall is not short of a bob or two. And GBNews needs its audience.
I honestly don't get the game plan, I never have.
Unherd another outlet that Marshall funds, I get that. Its a small operation, positioning itself in a gap where they talk to people who won't be getting a call from BBC / Sky, but without the batshit crazy GB News stuff. There is a market for the talking to "interesting" people in which the host is a smart well read guy who will push back and ask awkward probing questions. I can see how that can be a profitable venture.
GB News is this very expensive operation, paying big bucks, with a very capped viewership. Nobody in the UK has ever got massive audience numbers for 24hr new channels.
Unherd and GB News are supported in the same way that one makes a donation to an art gallery; they provide cultural enrichment.
That perhaps explains how Unherd has become more congenial for more .. er .. GB News types. *
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
It's not meant to be a business. It's meant to sow Fox News style propaganda into boomers houses.
Even if that is true, it does a very poor job of it by the absolute whacko they have on. If they had kept Neil, got Ferrari, Freddie Sayers, those kind of people who have some credibility, i can see some logic. But the crazy coast guy, Darren Grimes, Fox before he got banned, can't be convincing anybody.
The weirdest thing is how they have hired proper presenters / journalists from likes of Sky, then binned them after 6-12 months.
I think you are vastly underestimating the gullibility of the great british public.
Michael Daly @MichaelDaly64 1984 Berni Inn menu. Founded in Bristol in 1955 by Frank & Aldo Berni, Berni Inns were a first experience of 'dining out' for millions of Britons
Speaking of pronunciation, I've read that New York City's most interesting mayor, Fiorello La Guardia, not only got the pronuciations right in the languages that he spoke, but got the gestures right, too, So, one familiar with Yiddish could tell when he was speaking Yiddish just by by watching him, even with the sound off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorello_La_Guardia
An adept UK politician might well be able to pronounce "scone" to suit his audience -- and a great one would get the gestures right, too.
(La Guardia was a Republican, but rather an unusual one. To say the least.)
For cricket fans, highlights of the 1st day of the 2nd test match between West Indies and South Africa in Guyana. (Funny to think I saw these West Indies players at Trent Bridge only a few weeks ago. Didn't expect them to be playing at home so soon).
What the hell. Could be a massive miscarriage of justice?
I saw the concerns from an Australian statistician soon after the verdict that using duty roster charts as done by the prosecution was not statistically correct. Then there is this door access log data error. I'm still not sure how that mitigates the writings found in her house.
In WA's "Top Two" primary, where the two leading candidates in each race advance to general election ballot regardless of party, here are current unofficial, still partial results for state Commissioner of Public Lands:
Thus Upthegrove is leading Pederson by margin of +951 votes out of 1.9m cast for CPL statewide, meaning the race is now within HAND recount range.
Note number of ballots estimated yet to be counted = 3,545 statewide; also that next Tuesday is certification day for 2024 primary.
This weekend expect that both Upthegrove and Pederson campaigns will be "signature chasing" that is contacting voters who they THINK voted for their candidate AND whose ballots are currently rejected due to lack of valid voter signature; these ballots can be cured PROVIDED the voter provides good signature by Monday deadline.
Appears inevitable that there will be statewide hand recount to decide who made it to 2nd place and thus onto the November ballot; only question is, which one will prevail?
Based on numbers, reckon it's most likely that Pederson will join fellow GOPer Herrara Beutler on general election ballot . . . freezing out the Democrats from this enviromentally important state executive office, which is charged with managing state public lands AND running state Department of Natural Resources.
Of course, given how the letters o-n-e may be pronounced, scohn (sounds-like-bone) and sconn (sounds-like-gone) aren’t the only choices. Just the two that we use.
If you want to be individual, there is always scun (sounds-like-none).
Except none and gone rhyme. In any sensible accent.
The mechanics of a statewide hand recount, like the one for state Lands Commissioner now impending in the great Evergreen State of Washington, are a BIG deal.
Last one in WA was 2024 general election race for Governor, which yours truly had a small hand (ahem) in, as observer for eventual winner, Democrat Christine Gregoire. Who won (after two recounts AND state court contest) by margin of +133 votes.
In this state, each county is responsible for it's own elections, from federal to local. So each counts AND if necessary recounts its own votes. Size of the challenged depends on size of the county and number of ballots cast, which in WA for 2024 primary currently ranges from King Co = 558,370 to Garfield Co = 738.
Hand counting is done by teams of two worker, with ballots that are sorted either by voting precinct or tabaulation batch. Ballots are divided into piles for each candidate, also for writeins, overvotes (voted for more than one candidate) and undervotes; questionable ballots under official "What is a Vote?" rules are referred to county canvassing board for review & adjudication. Subtotals from hand-counting teams (who must agree) are then compared with the orginal results; if there's any differnce, ballots are sent to another team of counters. If they agree with the first count, then that's the new results for that precinct or batch.
When all counties have completed this process, WA Secretary of States adds 'em up and certifies the results - read 'em and weep . . . or not!
Richard Hanania @RichardHanania Kamala asks Tim what kind of music he likes. Walz starts talking about Bruce Springsteen, Bob Seger, and old cars. Then Kamala names some black musicians and says that her husband is into Depeche Mode, which she assumes Tim likes too because he’s old and white. It’s so perfect.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
GB News is not a business, it's a way for right wing millionaires to buy an audience.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
It should just drop the religious stuff and stick to its community offering to the local old folks.
From the article that seems to be what it is accused of.
"Church" is the word used for an organised group of worshippers as well as the physical buildings, and it seems what the CoE is being accused of is using alternative words for organised worship that is aimed at particular groups, often in alternative settings.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
Hardly controversial.
Saying congregation instead is also a good idea but not as good as just dropping the word Church and leaving a void, an empty space in the sentence into which one may gaze, and while bathing ones soul in its nothingness, discover God.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
The Ukrainians appear to have taken prisoner 2,500 of the 10,000 Kursk border troops. Mostly conscripts, who haven't yet been taught they are expected to die for Mother Russia.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
GB News is not a business, it's a way for right wing millionaires to buy an audience.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
GB News is not a business, it's a way for right wing millionaires to buy an audience.
Sort of like the guardian then?
Yes, or The Times, The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, and of course the business formerly known as Twitter.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
GB News is not a business, it's a way for right wing millionaires to buy an audience.
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
Hardly controversial.
A salutary lesson into the accuracy of Telegraph journalism.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
GB News is not a business, it's a way for right wing millionaires to buy an audience.
Sort of like the guardian then?
The Guardian is not owned by a millionaire, or indeed by an individual.
What the hell. Could be a massive miscarriage of justice?
I saw the concerns from an Australian statistician soon after the verdict that using duty roster charts as done by the prosecution was not statistically correct. Then there is this door access log data error. I'm still not sure how that mitigates the writings found in her house.
What is interesting about this case is the absolute certainty so many people have that 'Letby did it'. However it has always been clear in my mind that there is a possibility that she didn't. This is the reality of any criminal conviction.
The CPS have a social media strategy that continuously boasts of its successes in prosecuting rogues, I think it is the wrong strategy, because people will then hound them for their failings in the same space. Can you imagine the problems they will be facing if there are found to be serious failings in the Letby case such that she walks free, the lives of the people involved will be a nightmare.
I know Farage had the top rated show across all the news channels in that time slot, but it still tiny audience. Its not Ant and Dec numbers. GB News business model doesn't make any sense. They are paying like they are Fox News when they have audience and advertising of a US local news station.
GB News is not a business, it's a way for right wing millionaires to buy an audience.
Sort of like the guardian then?
The Guardian is not owned by a millionaire, or indeed by an individual.
A now dead millionaire left a hefty endowment in a tax shielded trust, and today’s lefties use it to buy an audience for an otherwise loss making business. As I said, “sort of” the same thing isn’t it, but people get their nipples in a twist when you criticise their side for doing the same thing.
What the hell. Could be a massive miscarriage of justice?
I saw the concerns from an Australian statistician soon after the verdict that using duty roster charts as done by the prosecution was not statistically correct. Then there is this door access log data error. I'm still not sure how that mitigates the writings found in her house.
What is interesting about this case is the absolute certainty so many people have that 'Letby did it'. However it has always been clear in my mind that there is a possibility that she didn't. This is the reality of any criminal conviction.
The CPS have a social media strategy that continuously boasts of its successes in prosecuting rogues, I think it is the wrong strategy, because people will then hound them for their failings in the same space. Can you imagine the problems they will be facing if there are found to be serious failings in the Letby case such that she walks free, the lives of the people involved will be a nightmare.
if it wasn't her why did the deaths suddenly stop after she was taken off the ward
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
Hardly controversial.
A salutary lesson into the accuracy of Telegraph journalism.
There may be a limited audience for this on PB the next day , however ...
I don't understand why the Telegraph are trying to stir the pot in August with a tiny irrelevant facet of a report that came out in April. They can't even get that right - the complaint is that "church" or "congregation" is being replaced with "worshipping community".
I met the term "worshipping community" in conversation with both RC and Anglican University Chaplains in 1985-6, and it has been in normal use since before then, as a way of describing the 'church community' in the CofE that does not have a strong "gathered membership" understanding (unlike RC and Evangelical, for example), and thinks of the whole geographical as in some sense "us".
The report itself is linked below, and it is really interesting ... if you are interested in how ecclesiology / missiology is developing in 2022-2024 in the UK. They have feedback from 11 Dioceses (from 42) who have supported 900 projects between them over the last decade. The salient takeaway for me is that engagement needs to be more even outside the evangelical wing of the CofE.
To understand the Telegraph, it's notable of the last 31 articles tagged "Church of England" by the Telegraph, only ONE has been written by their Religious Affairs (OK - Social and Religions Affairs) correspondent, who would hopefully know something about the subject addressed. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/church-of-england/
If the journalist had actually read the report it would have found that some churches are referring to themselves as ‘congregations’ rather than churches to emphasise the difference between the people and the building, the former being more important to them.
Hardly controversial.
A salutary lesson into the accuracy of Telegraph journalism.
There may be a limited audience for this on PB the next day , however ...
I don't understand why the Telegraph are trying to stir the pot in August with a tiny irrelevant facet of a report that came out in April. They can't even get that right - the complaint is that "church" or "congregation" is being replaced with "worshipping community".
I met the term "worshipping community" in conversation with both RC and Anglican University Chaplains in 1985-6, and it has been in normal use since before then, as a way of describing the 'church community' in the CofE that does not have a strong "gathered membership" understanding (unlike RC and Evangelical, for example), and thinks of the whole geographical as in some sense "us".
The report itself is linked below, and it is really interesting ... if you are interested in how ecclesiology / missiology is developing in 2022-2024 in the UK. They have feedback from 11 Dioceses (from 42) who have supported 900 projects between them over the last decade. The salient takeaway for me is that engagement needs to be more even outside the evangelical wing of the CofE.
To understand the Telegraph, it's notable of the last 31 articles tagged "Church of England" by the Telegraph, only ONE has been written by their Religious Affairs (OK - Social and Religions Affairs) correspondent, who would hopefully know something about the subject addressed. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/church-of-england/
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The weirdest thing is how they have hired proper presenters / journalists from likes of Sky, then binned them after 6-12 months.
Has anyone pointed out the commonality of scone pronunciation with the Heptarchy borders?
Alfred said ?
Donald Trump made $300,000 from selling autographed copies of the Bible."
https://x.com/FrankLuntz/status/1824462956706328967
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@MichaelDaly64
1984 Berni Inn menu. Founded in Bristol in 1955 by Frank & Aldo Berni, Berni Inns were a first experience of 'dining out' for millions of Britons
https://x.com/MichaelDaly64/status/1824227030067712416
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorello_La_Guardia
An adept UK politician might well be able to pronounce "scone" to suit his audience -- and a great one would get the gestures right, too.
(La Guardia was a Republican, but rather an unusual one. To say the least.)
For cricket fans, highlights of the 1st day of the 2nd test match between West Indies and South Africa in Guyana. (Funny to think I saw these West Indies players at Trent Bridge only a few weeks ago. Didn't expect them to be playing at home so soon).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhz9umwyYY
In WA's "Top Two" primary, where the two leading candidates in each race advance to general election ballot regardless of party, here are current unofficial, still partial results for state Commissioner of Public Lands:
JJaime Herrera Beutler - Republican
416,999 22.01%
Dave Upthegrove - Democratic
395,087 20.85%
Sue Kuehl Pederson - Republican
394,136 20.80%
Thus Upthegrove is leading Pederson by margin of +951 votes out of 1.9m cast for CPL statewide, meaning the race is now within HAND recount range.
Note number of ballots estimated yet to be counted = 3,545 statewide; also that next Tuesday is certification day for 2024 primary.
This weekend expect that both Upthegrove and Pederson campaigns will be "signature chasing" that is contacting voters who they THINK voted for their candidate AND whose ballots are currently rejected due to lack of valid voter signature; these ballots can be cured PROVIDED the voter provides good signature by Monday deadline.
Appears inevitable that there will be statewide hand recount to decide who made it to 2nd place and thus onto the November ballot; only question is, which one will prevail?
Based on numbers, reckon it's most likely that Pederson will join fellow GOPer Herrara Beutler on general election ballot . . . freezing out the Democrats from this enviromentally important state executive office, which is charged with managing state public lands AND running state Department of Natural Resources.
https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/post-office-paula-in-pant-topper-showstopper/
Last one in WA was 2024 general election race for Governor, which yours truly had a small hand (ahem) in, as observer for eventual winner, Democrat Christine Gregoire. Who won (after two recounts AND state court contest) by margin of +133 votes.
In this state, each county is responsible for it's own elections, from federal to local. So each counts AND if necessary recounts its own votes. Size of the challenged depends on size of the county and number of ballots cast, which in WA for 2024 primary currently ranges from King Co = 558,370 to Garfield Co = 738.
Hand counting is done by teams of two worker, with ballots that are sorted either by voting precinct or tabaulation batch. Ballots are divided into piles for each candidate, also for writeins, overvotes (voted for more than one candidate) and undervotes; questionable ballots under official "What is a Vote?" rules are referred to county canvassing board for review & adjudication. Subtotals from hand-counting teams (who must agree) are then compared with the orginal results; if there's any differnce, ballots are sent to another team of counters. If they agree with the first count, then that's the new results for that precinct or batch.
When all counties have completed this process, WA Secretary of States adds 'em up and certifies the results - read 'em and weep . . . or not!
You've been pointing out relevant hearing testimony & etc. Including commemorative post-box cozy!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/16/church-england-dropping-word-church-more-modern/
Some good music taste though.
My parents each pronounce 'scone' differently. A rare division within Yorkshire in the correct way of saying something.
Hardly controversial.
"Church" is the word used for an organised group of worshippers as well as the physical buildings, and it seems what the CoE is being accused of is using alternative words for organised worship that is aimed at particular groups, often in alternative settings.
This seems to be quite an economic pointer, a bit like the Yuppie boom of the Eighties. After some grim years people want to party and dress up.
Fortunately, indeed.
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The CPS have a social media strategy that continuously boasts of its successes in prosecuting rogues, I think it is the wrong strategy, because people will then hound them for their failings in the same space. Can you imagine the problems they will be facing if there are found to be serious failings in the Letby case such that she walks free, the lives of the people involved will be a nightmare.
I don't understand why the Telegraph are trying to stir the pot in August with a tiny irrelevant facet of a report that came out in April. They can't even get that right - the complaint is that "church" or "congregation" is being replaced with "worshipping community".
I met the term "worshipping community" in conversation with both RC and Anglican University Chaplains in 1985-6, and it has been in normal use since before then, as a way of describing the 'church community' in the CofE that does not have a strong "gathered membership" understanding (unlike RC and Evangelical, for example), and thinks of the whole geographical as in some sense "us".
The report itself is linked below, and it is really interesting ... if you are interested in how ecclesiology / missiology is developing in 2022-2024 in the UK. They have feedback from 11 Dioceses (from 42) who have supported 900 projects between them over the last decade. The salient takeaway for me is that engagement needs to be more even outside the evangelical wing of the CofE.
To understand the Telegraph, it's notable of the last 31 articles tagged "Church of England" by the Telegraph, only ONE has been written by their Religious Affairs (OK - Social and Religions Affairs) correspondent, who would hopefully know something about the subject addressed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/church-of-england/
Report: https://ccx.org.uk/content/impact-of-new-things/
Increasingly, it's what they always do.