Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Well this puts you in the posh camp if I'm assessing things correctly. I don't know how you feel about that.
No it doesn't your claim was anyone pronouncing it to rhyme with bone is slightly posher "There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher"
but then lefties like you have always been slight posho's mistaking education for intelligence
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Not really. This is like serviette: people who are non-U desperately wanting to look like they are U.
Most places are entirely agnostic about it, and places like Hampshire where I am (which is relatively posh) tend to prefer "gone" because they don't have the class insecurities that Derbyshire and Essex have.
I don't think there's a class element to it - or if there is, it's complex and nuanced. As is the geographical element.
All gone-rhymers in my family, whether from Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh or London, and regardless of which layer of the middle-middle to upper-middle classes we come frpm.
Touch of groupthink there in the Cookie clan then. Are we sure there aren't family members who'd like to say "scown" but are too scared of the consequences?
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Well this puts you in the posh camp if I'm assessing things correctly. I don't know how you feel about that.
No it doesn't your claim was anyone pronouncing it to rhyme with bone is slightly posher "There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher"
but then lefties like you have always been slight posho's mistaking education for intelligence
No that was HYUFD who said that. I'm saying the opposite. But perhaps I'm wrong and he's right. That's unusual but it has happened once or twice.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Well this puts you in the posh camp if I'm assessing things correctly. I don't know how you feel about that.
No it doesn't your claim was anyone pronouncing it to rhyme with bone is slightly posher "There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher"
but then lefties like you have always been slight posho's mistaking education for intelligence
No that was HYUFD who said that. I'm saying the opposite. But perhaps I'm wrong.
Well hyufd is pretty much as also wrong as you how to choose?
On the topic of tea-time treats, my plum crop this year is very disappointingly light, though the few plums are quite tasty. Black and redcurrants also very poor crop with barely any. Poor spring weather or too few insects or both?
Apples and pears look to have had a good season, but need a couple more weeks.
The wasps have attacked my apple in the last two days so they are ready. The plums are already jammed in jars.
On the topic of tea-time treats, my plum crop this year is very disappointingly light, though the few plums are quite tasty. Black and redcurrants also very poor crop with barely any. Poor spring weather or too few insects or both?
Apples and pears look to have had a good season, but need a couple more weeks.
The wasps have attacked my apple in the last two days so they are ready. The plums are already jammed in jars.
What do we need with eggs and ham When we've got plum and apple jam?
German military analyst Richter on the situation in the Kursk region:
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
Not fit for purpose....basically if you are a foreign student who can get a loan and returns home or a UK student who emigrates, the taxpayer is never getting any money back. They aren't even trying to get it.
German military analyst Richter on the situation in the Kursk region:
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
You need to be careful with military 'analysts'; there are many on both sides whose rhetoric goes far beyond their knowledge.
Is what he says possible? Yes. So is the contrary: that this attack will force Russia to further over-extend itself. It could be a disastrous move by the Ukrainians, or a masterstroke. But so far, after over a week, it seems disastrous for Russia and very good for Ukraine.
It simply becomes a case of pick-your-favourite-analyst. I've a cage of them round the back, if you'd like one.
But here's a piece of advice: this war has been going on long enough now, that it's possible to check their track record. There are some 'analysts' who have been proven wrong in their every utterance about this war, yet still get TV appearances with channels that favour one side or the other.
I don't know this Richter guy to say whether he's been in any way accurate in the past or not.
Isn't it amazing a leftie like kinablu argues about multiculturalism, the cornish and devonians do occasionaly have a war of words about the ordering of the condiments but we both agree its scone to rhyme with gone....respect our culture kinablu
With the topic being rather light (“scones”) I feel ok to mention something else that’s interesting but not of earth-shattering importance. The Lady In Red by Chris De Burgh. I hadn’t heard it in decades but that changed this afternoon when I was checking out the new M&S food hall in Friern Barnet. They were playing loud music in there, unusual for an M&S and imo not smart business since it was hard to screen it out and concentrate on my shopping, esp when The Lady In Red started booming out. For better or worse (I’d strongly argue the latter) it’s just not a song you can ignore.
German military analyst Richter on the situation in the Kursk region:
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
You need to be careful with military 'analysts'; there are many on both sides whose rhetoric goes far beyond their knowledge.
Is what he says possible? Yes. So is the contrary: that this attack will force Russia to further over-extend itself. It could be a disastrous move by the Ukrainians, or a masterstroke. But so far, after over a week, it seems disastrous for Russia and very good for Ukraine.
It simply becomes a case of pick-your-favourite-analyst. I've a cage of them round the back, if you'd like one.
But here's a piece of advice: this war has been going on long enough now, that it's possible to check their track record. There are some 'analysts' who have been proven wrong in their every utterance about this war, yet still get TV appearances with channels that favour one side or the other.
I don't know this Richter guy to say whether he's been in any way accurate in the past or not.
He wrote this shortly after the invasion which is pretty balanced:
However, the Russian president has obviously underestimated the Ukrainian determination to resist and the resolve of the West. He will now achieve what he wanted to avoid, namely a more united Ukrainian nation, a more united and stronger NATO and EU, and an unprecedented military strengthening of NATO’s eastern flank. In addition, he will have to face significant economic, financial, and political isolation with serious long-term effects. If Russian forces get bogged down in nasty and time-consuming street fighting in Ukraine’s cities while their losses mount, Putin will also face a dramatic loss of reputation internally, with unpredictable consequences.
With the topic being rather light (“scones”) I feel ok to mention something else that’s interesting but not of earth-shattering importance. The Lady In Red by Chris De Burgh. I hadn’t heard it in decades but that changed this afternoon when I was checking out the new M&S food hall in Friern Barnet. They were playing loud music in there, unusual for an M&S and imo not smart business since it was hard to screen it out and concentrate on my shopping, esp when The Lady In Red started booming out. For better or worse (I’d strongly argue the latter) it’s just not a song you can ignore.
German military analyst Richter on the situation in the Kursk region:
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
You need to be careful with military 'analysts'; there are many on both sides whose rhetoric goes far beyond their knowledge.
Is what he says possible? Yes. So is the contrary: that this attack will force Russia to further over-extend itself. It could be a disastrous move by the Ukrainians, or a masterstroke. But so far, after over a week, it seems disastrous for Russia and very good for Ukraine.
It simply becomes a case of pick-your-favourite-analyst. I've a cage of them round the back, if you'd like one.
But here's a piece of advice: this war has been going on long enough now, that it's possible to check their track record. There are some 'analysts' who have been proven wrong in their every utterance about this war, yet still get TV appearances with channels that favour one side or the other.
I don't know this Richter guy to say whether he's been in any way accurate in the past or not.
Me neither.
Some experts on here had the Russian Economy collapsing within days of Western Sanctions which as far as i can see appears not to have happened
They now seem to be on the side of masterstroke so I think they should probably be given a wide birth
Time will tell. It all ends in 4 months if Trump wins although Zelensky should be breathing easier about that now Biden is no longer Candidate
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
6,000 sheep will soon be grazing on 10,000 acres of Texas solar fields
https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/6-000-sheep-will-soon-be-grazing-on-10-00-acres-of-texas-solar-fields JR Howard of Texas Solar Sheep can’t buy sheep fast enough. He supplies them to solar farms, where their grazing keeps grass short for less than the cost of mowing it. Demand for his animals has skyrocketed over the past few years as more and more large solar installations are being built. Now Howard is scrambling to fulfill his biggest order yet: for 6,000 sheep, which will be put to work grazing eight Texas solar fields run by Enel North America.
Howard’s booming business is a form of agrivoltaics, which combines solar panels with agriculture or other land uses that benefit farmers and ecosystems.
Along with renting sheep out to solar fields, Howard raises them to sell for meat — but only the males. He needs as many females as he can get to shore up his herds. When he first started his business three years ago, he had just 400 sheep on one solar site. Since then, he’s deployed over 10,000. The increasing demand for sheep grazing on solar farms is “the greatest opportunity for the sheep industry in my lifetime,” Howard told Canary Media...
Ukraine’s top military commander Oleksandr Syrskii said its forces had moved forward by 1.5km (0.93 miles) over the previous 24 hours, advancing some 35km into Russia’s Kursk region since the start of the incursion. Its forces were now in control of 1,150 square kilometres (444 square miles) of Russian territory and 82 settlements, he added.
Isn't it amazing a leftie like kinablu argues about multiculturalism, the cornish and devonians do occasionaly have a war of words about the ordering of the condiments but we both agree its scone to rhyme with gone....respect our culture kinablu
Ok well when I visit down there I'll say it your way. I'm not one to disrespect local traditions. Eg I had haggis once in Scotland.
Slightly on topic. Each to their own with the order of jam and cream but I get very annoyed if I'm served a fruit scone as part of a cream tea. Fruit scones should be reserved for butter otherwise the whole thing is too flavourful and a bit unenglish
With the topic being rather light (“scones”) I feel ok to mention something else that’s interesting but not of earth-shattering importance. The Lady In Red by Chris De Burgh. I hadn’t heard it in decades but that changed this afternoon when I was checking out the new M&S food hall in Friern Barnet. They were playing loud music in there, unusual for an M&S and imo not smart business since it was hard to screen it out and concentrate on my shopping, esp when The Lady In Red started booming out. For better or worse (I’d strongly argue the latter) it’s just not a song you can ignore.
Slightly on topic. Each to their own with the order of jam and cream but I get very annoyed if I'm served a fruit scone as part of a cream tea. Fruit scones should be reserved for butter otherwise the whole thing is too flavourful and a bit unenglish
Fruit scones are the road to perdition, the devils dumplings
German military analyst Richter on the situation in the Kursk region:
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
You need to be careful with military 'analysts'; there are many on both sides whose rhetoric goes far beyond their knowledge.
Is what he says possible? Yes. So is the contrary: that this attack will force Russia to further over-extend itself. It could be a disastrous move by the Ukrainians, or a masterstroke. But so far, after over a week, it seems disastrous for Russia and very good for Ukraine.
It simply becomes a case of pick-your-favourite-analyst. I've a cage of them round the back, if you'd like one.
But here's a piece of advice: this war has been going on long enough now, that it's possible to check their track record. There are some 'analysts' who have been proven wrong in their every utterance about this war, yet still get TV appearances with channels that favour one side or the other.
I don't know this Richter guy to say whether he's been in any way accurate in the past or not.
Me neither.
Some experts on here had the Russian Economy collapsing within days of Western Sanctions which as far as i can see appears not to have happened
They now seem to be on the side of masterstroke so I think they should probably be given a wide birth
Time will tell. It all ends in 4 months if Trump wins although Zelensky should be breathing easier about that now Biden is no longer Candidate
Time will indeed tell. The thing none of us are mentally able to compute is that the future isn’t written. It hasn’t happened yet.
I sometimes remind myself of this when I start getting too into the mindset of there being some sort of grand plan out there.
Slightly on topic. Each to their own with the order of jam and cream but I get very annoyed if I'm served a fruit scone as part of a cream tea. Fruit scones should be reserved for butter otherwise the whole thing is too flavourful and a bit unenglish
Fruit scones are the road to perdition, the devils dumplings
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
St George Cross yobbo got 56 months and all he got to show for it was a vegan sausage, a couple of bath bombs and a pair of crocs and 5 minutes of internet fame.
I imagine going to be tricky in jail as everybody will know why you are there and not sure the non-white prison population is going to treat bloke done for racist rioting as a hero.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
Link or it is just your imagination
You link to her pronouncing it "scown".
I was not the one suggesting she would called a scone to rhyme with gone so the onus of proof is on the people who think she would have got it right
With the topic being rather light (“scones”) I feel ok to mention something else that’s interesting but not of earth-shattering importance. The Lady In Red by Chris De Burgh. I hadn’t heard it in decades but that changed this afternoon when I was checking out the new M&S food hall in Friern Barnet. They were playing loud music in there, unusual for an M&S and imo not smart business since it was hard to screen it out and concentrate on my shopping, esp when The Lady In Red started booming out. For better or worse (I’d strongly argue the latter) it’s just not a song you can ignore.
One of the more bizarre nights of my life involved Chris de Burgh. And the Hoff. And Jimmy Ruffin.
And the ghost of Lady Diana. At Althorp House.
You know eating moths can make you hallucinate?
Wish I had that excuse....
The big warm blooded version of moths visited us last night. It was strangely frightening at the time, in a doomy gothic sort of way, and amusing now.
I woke at around 5am (still dark here in France) needing a wee, and hearing a regular fluttering. Came back from the loo and wife said “we have a bat”.
After switching on the light we realised we did indeed have a bat flying around our bedroom. Then we noticed a second one. Then a third, out in the landing.
Half an hour of mad flapping ensued, both by us and the bats. Finally got them by swiping them out of the air with large cushions, trapping and putting them outside.
Will they be back tonight? One thing’s for sure: we’ll not be leaving windows open tonight despite the temperature.
German military analyst Richter on the situation in the Kursk region:
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
You need to be careful with military 'analysts'; there are many on both sides whose rhetoric goes far beyond their knowledge.
Is what he says possible? Yes. So is the contrary: that this attack will force Russia to further over-extend itself. It could be a disastrous move by the Ukrainians, or a masterstroke. But so far, after over a week, it seems disastrous for Russia and very good for Ukraine.
It simply becomes a case of pick-your-favourite-analyst. I've a cage of them round the back, if you'd like one.
But here's a piece of advice: this war has been going on long enough now, that it's possible to check their track record. There are some 'analysts' who have been proven wrong in their every utterance about this war, yet still get TV appearances with channels that favour one side or the other.
I don't know this Richter guy to say whether he's been in any way accurate in the past or not.
Me neither.
Some experts on here had the Russian Economy collapsing within days of Western Sanctions which as far as i can see appears not to have happened
They now seem to be on the side of masterstroke so I think they should probably be given a wide birth
Time will tell. It all ends in 4 months if Trump wins although Zelensky should be breathing easier about that now Biden is no longer Candidate
The Russian economy is in a shit state; sanctions *are* working. Russia are spending a vast amount of their own treasure on building for their military, building their own economy, but directing resources that could be better used on other purposes. Spending a few million rubles upgrading a tank that immediately enters the turret-tossing competition in Ukraine boosts the economy by a few million rubles, but achieves f-all.
When this war ends, the pain for Russia's economy will really hit home.
There are plenty of other 'experts' who have continually predicted Ukraine's failure, only to be proven wrong time and time again. Colonel Macgregor, as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor
Scone - ideally home made, certainly warm. I'm happy with a plain scone, others prefer raisins.
Clotted Cream - usually Rodda's if you don't make your own but I'm sure there are some fantastic ones elsewhere in Cornwall.
Jam - again, if you make your own, go for it. My mother made her own quince jam and it was a delight on scones. If you aren't in the jam making business, it has to be Tiptree "Little Scarlet" for strawberry jam.
Nah. The king of jams is indeed Tiptree - but their loganberry.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
Link or it is just your imagination
You link to her pronouncing it "scown".
I was not the one suggesting she would called a scone to rhyme with gone so the onus of proof is on the people who think she would have got it right
No, you claimed she pronounced it "scown" first, so the onus is on you to prove that!
"No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong" - Pagan2, 7:28pm
Scone (pronounced "scoon") is where the stone (rhymes with bone in English) comes from. The Stone of Scone is installed in the new museum in Perth. After your visit you can go to the cafe and have some scones (rhymes with gone. And highly recommended. They are excellent)
Why did the Scots choose a name for their national headquarters (or whatever it was) that rhymes with goon, hoon and loon?
Just asking ...
Goon and hoon are twentieth century by the looks of it, and loon means something different from what you think it means in Scotland.
Scone - ideally home made, certainly warm. I'm happy with a plain scone, others prefer raisins.
Clotted Cream - usually Rodda's if you don't make your own but I'm sure there are some fantastic ones elsewhere in Cornwall.
Jam - again, if you make your own, go for it. My mother made her own quince jam and it was a delight on scones. If you aren't in the jam making business, it has to be Tiptree "Little Scarlet" for strawberry jam.
Nah. The king of jams is indeed Tiptree - but their loganberry.
Bon Maman Fraises. Painful to admit the French make better jam but hard facts need to be faced.
With the topic being rather light (“scones”) I feel ok to mention something else that’s interesting but not of earth-shattering importance. The Lady In Red by Chris De Burgh. I hadn’t heard it in decades but that changed this afternoon when I was checking out the new M&S food hall in Friern Barnet. They were playing loud music in there, unusual for an M&S and imo not smart business since it was hard to screen it out and concentrate on my shopping, esp when The Lady In Red started booming out. For better or worse (I’d strongly argue the latter) it’s just not a song you can ignore.
One of the more bizarre nights of my life involved Chris de Burgh. And the Hoff. And Jimmy Ruffin.
And the ghost of Lady Diana. At Althorp House.
You know eating moths can make you hallucinate?
Wish I had that excuse....
The big warm blooded version of moths visited us last night. It was strangely frightening at the time, in a doomy gothic sort of way, and amusing now.
I woke at around 5am (still dark here in France) needing a wee, and hearing a regular fluttering. Came back from the loo and wife said “we have a bat”.
After switching on the light we realised we did indeed have a bat flying around our bedroom. Then we noticed a second one. Then a third, out in the landing.
Half an hour of mad flapping ensued, both by us and the bats. Finally got them by swiping them out of the air with large cushions, trapping and putting them outside.
Will they be back tonight? One thing’s for sure: we’ll not be leaving windows open tonight despite the temperature.
Unless you are sure they aren't Daubenton's Bats, don't pick them up. Daubenton's carry a form of rabies that is fatal to humans.
(This is a UK-centric post but as I don't know if any Frrench species also have rabies, best not to take the risk....)
Scone - ideally home made, certainly warm. I'm happy with a plain scone, others prefer raisins.
Clotted Cream - usually Rodda's if you don't make your own but I'm sure there are some fantastic ones elsewhere in Cornwall.
Jam - again, if you make your own, go for it. My mother made her own quince jam and it was a delight on scones. If you aren't in the jam making business, it has to be Tiptree "Little Scarlet" for strawberry jam.
Nah. The king of jams is indeed Tiptree - but their loganberry.
Bon Maman Fraises. Painful to admit the French make better jam but hard facts need to be faced.
Scone (pronounced "scoon") is where the stone (rhymes with bone in English) comes from. The Stone of Scone is installed in the new museum in Perth. After your visit you can go to the cafe and have some scones (rhymes with gone. And highly recommended. They are excellent)
Why did the Scots choose a name for their national headquarters (or whatever it was) that rhymes with goon, hoon and loon?
Just asking ...
Goon and hoon are twentieth century by the looks of it, and loon means something different from what you think it means in Scotland.
I haven't told you what I think it means .
No, but your question is a bit short of point and pith unless you think it is derogatory.
Scone - ideally home made, certainly warm. I'm happy with a plain scone, others prefer raisins.
Clotted Cream - usually Rodda's if you don't make your own but I'm sure there are some fantastic ones elsewhere in Cornwall.
Jam - again, if you make your own, go for it. My mother made her own quince jam and it was a delight on scones. If you aren't in the jam making business, it has to be Tiptree "Little Scarlet" for strawberry jam.
Nah. The king of jams is indeed Tiptree - but their loganberry.
Bon Maman Fraises. Painful to admit the French make better jam but hard facts need to be faced.
Heresy, you cheese-eating surrender monkey!
Tiptree "Little Scarlett", if you can stand the price and the sweetness.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
Link or it is just your imagination
You link to her pronouncing it "scown".
I was not the one suggesting she would called a scone to rhyme with gone so the onus of proof is on the people who think she would have got it right
No, you claimed she pronounced it "scown" first, so the onus is on you to prove that!
"No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong" - Pagan2, 7:28pm
I love that this inconsequential, yet bitter debate has descended into an argument over how it's pronounced by a fictional character.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Gone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East (outside of Norfolk).
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
Well thats because you are all philistines who would fail making a bacon butty
I thought you were Cornish?
Cornish is jam first then cream devonians disagree
Yes but the point above suggests most everyone agrees with this?
The article doesn't say that. It just has a Think Tank opining that New Towns aren't a Silver Bullet.
Alan is desperate to declare failure, almost before they've started. I remain cautiously optimistic - not least as the policy I predicted pre-election, and which he said wouldn't happen, seems to be happening.
3% of available time gone and not a brick laid. Indeed not even a plan.
They are not hitting the ground running so the whole thing is back loaded., which sort of suggests theyll need to be building 400k houses a year, in the kast 3 years something this country hasnt done for half a century.
You let your polemic blind you to what you would reject in your own workplace.
I suspect that, like most of us, Starmer didn't expect Sunak to call the election when he did. Hitting the ground running is therefore more difficult, since plans hadn't been completed. Close to completion, maybe, but. And it wasn't the best idea to have to start off with a recess.
The idea that new towns won't take years of planning - nothing of that scale has taken less than years of planning, in my lifetime....
Harlow was designated in 1947 and by the mid fifties was up and running.
I ain't that old.
It would take 2-3 years to write the important docs, now
Ah well, take it from one who was beginning to get 'aware' then. The 1945 Labour Government got on with things.
It was simply a function of how things were, back then.
The idea of spending 1/4 Billion on plans for the Dartford Crossing would have been seen as insane, back then.
Yes, Starmer could bring forward primary legislation overriding the whole system. Then the Greens and the Lib Dems will go full NIMBY, ready for the local elections. And the entire Enquiry Industrial Complex would fire up *all* the legal challenges, to the concept of doing away with spending billions on report on planning things.
The government could get on and do it - wipe out the report writing/consultant/public Inquiry industry. It can just be done in one swoop, pass an act of parliament that grants itself the power to grant planning permission for whatever it wants to do, delegating matters accordingly. Thus reinventing what it did in 1948, and which led to where we are now, 75 years later.
Oh indeed he could.
Then, as I said, the NIMBYs plus the Enquiry Industrial Complex would raise a political and legal storm.
On the legal front, it would go to the Supreme Court. Probably multiple times.
On the political front, the local elections would become a referendum on this. The Greens would love more councillors. As would the Lib Dems. I would be the Conservatives would get in on the act.
Is Starmer the man to scrap a vast pile of *law*?
I do wonder what they are thinking though, and where they get their ideas from. One plan, which is only slated for the green belt at the moment, is that the landowner doesn't get to benefit/profit from the increase in land values arising from obtaining planning permission. They would be forced to sell for existing use value (ie peanuts) and possibly a 20% increase. The only question this raises, is who would go through the decade long, multi million pound cost of getting planning permission, and the associated likelihood/risk of failure, for a 20% profit over the existing use value - ie probably tens of thousands of pounds in most cases. It would no longer be a commercially viable proposition. The state would have to requisition the land and get planning permission itself, taking on all the risk.
I think that is the plan - the state purchase the land cheap.
They can then employee contractors to build the houses. Then flog them for a profit.
They hope.
Edit: or just sell the land with planning permission, divided into plots..
It is certainly going to mean a lot compulsory purchase (the new growth area for the inquiry industrial complex, I can imagine the business plans being drafted now).
The other issue, is that councils are going to struggle to grant planning permission to themselves, because politics always rapidly comes in to play. Most of the land that has been developed over the last 20 years has been the result of an agressive strategic land promotion industry finding ways around local politics, if it is all left to the Council or even an arms length government agency, that dynamic no longer exists.
If the government get sucked in to the civil service project of 'reforms to local plans, simplifying and streamlining decision making', then the whole project is over before it starts, they are just adding a load more gunge in to the existing quagmire. They would need to do something like what I suggested upthread, direct the process of housebuilding like it is a national emergency, using primary legislation to essentially circumvent the existing planning system in some cases.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
Link or it is just your imagination
You link to her pronouncing it "scown".
I was not the one suggesting she would called a scone to rhyme with gone so the onus of proof is on the people who think she would have got it right
No, you claimed she pronounced it "scown" first, so the onus is on you to prove that!
"No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong" - Pagan2, 7:28pm
Actually someone before me claimed she would have pronounced it scone to rhyme with gone.....she always fucked up so the implication was she got it wrong....evidence please she ever rhymed with gone. Mine was merely a response to that
The wonder of t'Internet. Here is Ms. Bucket's recipe for scones. A lot of scrolling down later. Exceptionally disappointingly it doesn't say how to pronounce them.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Those pronouncing it slightly posher are likely to be arseholes and far less intelligent
How do you say it?
It rhymes with gone, and anyone that says it doesnt is a plebeian thats barely literate
Agree. 'Sc-own' always sounds like a very gauche person's idea of sounding posh - like drinking one's tea with pinky held aloft.
That's amazing because I feel exactly that about "gone". Like, I imagine Hyacinth Bouquet would say it that way.
Funny one, this.
No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong
No, she pronounces it to rhyme with "gone". She also says "brosh-ures" instead of bro-chures.
Link or it is just your imagination
You link to her pronouncing it "scown".
I was not the one suggesting she would called a scone to rhyme with gone so the onus of proof is on the people who think she would have got it right
No, you claimed she pronounced it "scown" first, so the onus is on you to prove that!
"No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong" - Pagan2, 7:28pm
I love that this inconsequential, yet bitter debate has descended into an argument over how it's pronounced by a fictional character.
sometimes people are so wrong they have to be beaten into submission
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Other way round, I thought? Posher is "gone".
If not my whole theory on why sconners are more vehement about it than scowners is complete tripe.
To further complicate things, the town of Scone in Perthshire is pronounced "scoon".
Their averages are getting ever more ridiculous and Pennsylvania is perhaps the silliest. The number of polls that are simply ignored if they show a Harris lead is just daft, especially when the likes of Trafalgar and Rasmussen are given such weight.
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Not really. This is like serviette: people who are non-U desperately wanting to look like they are U.
Most places are entirely agnostic about it, and places like Hampshire where I am (which is relatively posh) tend to prefer "gone" because they don't have the class insecurities that Derbyshire and Essex have.
I don't think there's a class element to it - or if there is, it's complex and nuanced. As is the geographical element.
All gone-rhymers in my family, whether from Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh or London, and regardless of which layer of the middle-middle to upper-middle classes we come frpm.
Touch of groupthink there in the Cookie clan then. Are we sure there aren't family members who'd like to say "scown" but are too scared of the consequences?
Well we inherit the pronunciation of confectionary items from our parents, so no surprise that we have it in common. But I've always found it moderately surprising that all four of my grandparents were sconners. I wish I'd asked them when they were alive whether it was true of their parents too. Going further back than my grandparents (Edinburgh/Manchester/Birmingham/London) generation I have antecedents in Sheffield and the Staffordshire Moorlands, so possibly there have been scowners at some point in the past. I've always beem curious when this got absorbed into the sconn mainstream of the family
Nice to see YouGov concentrating on the important things...
Personally I pronounce it as rhyming with "Gone"
Classic mid August post general election poll.
There is a slight class element to pronounciation of Scone, as the map shows those saying Scone like 'Gone' are highest in the North, Scotland and Wales while those pronouncing it like 'Bone' are more likely to live in London, the South and East.
Virtually everybody outside Devon and Somerset agrees that jam goes on Scones first then cream however
There's no class element. Just a right and wrong element.
(And a weird one for the 'scown' minority.)
There is an element of class, those pronouncing it like 'Bone' rather than 'Gone' are likely on average to be slightly posher
Not really. This is like serviette: people who are non-U desperately wanting to look like they are U.
Most places are entirely agnostic about it, and places like Hampshire where I am (which is relatively posh) tend to prefer "gone" because they don't have the class insecurities that Derbyshire and Essex have.
I don't think there's a class element to it - or if there is, it's complex and nuanced. As is the geographical element.
All gone-rhymers in my family, whether from Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh or London, and regardless of which layer of the middle-middle to upper-middle classes we come frpm.
Touch of groupthink there in the Cookie clan then. Are we sure there aren't family members who'd like to say "scown" but are too scared of the consequences?
Well we inherit the pronunciation of confectionary items from our parents, so no surprise that we have it in common. But I've always found it moderately surprising that all four of my grandparents were sconners. I wish I'd asked them when they were alive whether it was true of their parents too. Going further back than my grandparents (Edinburgh/Manchester/Birmingham/London) generation I have antecedents in Sheffield and the Staffordshire Moorlands, so possibly there have been scowners at some point in the past. I've always beem curious when this got absorbed into the sconn mainstream of the family
That will be the black sheep of your family nods, you should feel yourself lucky to have such interesting criminals in your family tree I merely have pirates , wreckers and sheep rustlers,
The wonder of t'Internet. Here is Ms. Bucket's recipe for scones. A lot of scrolling down later. Exceptionally disappointingly it doesn't say how to pronounce them.
Of course, given how the letters o-n-e may be pronounced, scohn (sounds-like-bone) and sconn (sounds-like-gone) aren’t the only choices. Just the two that we use.
If you want to be individual, there is always scun (sounds-like-none).
On topic: I'm on the side of County Durham in the pronunciation battle. Scone rhymes with gone. The alternative is poncey and weird.
Elsewhere, the new Home Secretary has been heard to sympathise with the struggles of contemporary teenagers. Whatever else we think of the change of Government we may, perhaps, reflect on the blessing of having people in charge who don't have an absolute, visceral hatred of the young.
The wonder of t'Internet. Here is Ms. Bucket's recipe for scones. A lot of scrolling down later. Exceptionally disappointingly it doesn't say how to pronounce them.
Of course, given how the letters o-n-e may be pronounced, scohn (sounds-like-bone) and sconn (sounds-like-gone) aren’t the only choices. Just the two that we use.
If you want to be individual, there is always scun (sounds-like-none).
Except none and gone rhyme. In any sensible accent.
The wonder of t'Internet. Here is Ms. Bucket's recipe for scones. A lot of scrolling down later. Exceptionally disappointingly it doesn't say how to pronounce them.
Of course, given how the letters o-n-e may be pronounced, scohn (sounds-like-bone) and sconn (sounds-like-gone) aren’t the only choices. Just the two that we use.
If you want to be individual, there is always scun (sounds-like-none).
On topic: I'm on the side of County Durham in the pronunciation battle. Scone rhymes with gone. The alternative is poncey and weird.
Elsewhere, the new Home Secretary has been heard to sympathise with the struggles of contemporary teenagers. Whatever else we think of the change of Government we may, perhaps, reflect on the blessing of having people in charge who don't have an absolute, visceral hatred of the young.
Hm. Let's see what they do with education then. Fine words butter no parsnips. Early signs aren't good.
Scone (pronounced "scoon") is where the stone (rhymes with bone in English) comes from. The Stone of Scone is installed in the new museum in Perth. After your visit you can go to the cafe and have some scones (rhymes with gone. And highly recommended. They are excellent)
Why did the Scots choose a name for their national headquarters (or whatever it was) that rhymes with goon, hoon and loon?
Just asking ...
Goon and hoon are twentieth century by the looks of it, and loon means something different from what you think it means in Scotland.
Not sure about the whole of Scotland but certainly in the north east. I miss our contributions from @fitalass and @fitaloon. It simply means a man.
Possibly on the younger side. Auld loon might tend towards the disrespectful.
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but then lefties like you have always been slight posho's mistaking education for intelligence
The plums are already jammed in jars.
When we've got plum and apple jam?
"I think that in the next 2-3 weeks it will become clear that this is a miscalculation by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the question will have to be asked: was it worth it? In the meantime, the Russians are advancing far ahead in Donbass. Everything will be very bad, and this will be visible in 2-3 weeks. Ukraine will ultimately be pushed back."
Funny one, this.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/jobs/schools-universities/not-coming-back-britain-70000-expat-dodge-student-loans/
Is what he says possible? Yes. So is the contrary: that this attack will force Russia to further over-extend itself. It could be a disastrous move by the Ukrainians, or a masterstroke. But so far, after over a week, it seems disastrous for Russia and very good for Ukraine.
It simply becomes a case of pick-your-favourite-analyst. I've a cage of them round the back, if you'd like one.
But here's a piece of advice: this war has been going on long enough now, that it's possible to check their track record. There are some 'analysts' who have been proven wrong in their every utterance about this war, yet still get TV appearances with channels that favour one side or the other.
I don't know this Richter guy to say whether he's been in any way accurate in the past or not.
And the ghost of Lady Diana. At Althorp House.
https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2022C16/
However, the Russian president has obviously underestimated the Ukrainian determination to resist and the resolve of the West. He will now achieve what he wanted to avoid, namely a more united Ukrainian nation, a more united and stronger NATO and EU, and an unprecedented military strengthening of NATO’s eastern flank. In addition, he will have to face significant economic, financial, and political isolation with serious long-term effects. If Russian forces get bogged down in nasty and time-consuming street fighting in Ukraine’s cities while their losses mount, Putin will also face a dramatic loss of reputation internally, with unpredictable consequences.
Most convenient for a poet.
Some experts on here had the Russian Economy collapsing within days of Western Sanctions which as far as i can see appears not to have happened
They now seem to be on the side of masterstroke so I think they should probably be given a wide birth
Time will tell. It all ends in 4 months if Trump wins although Zelensky should be breathing easier about that now Biden is no longer Candidate
This is what happens when we have no opinion polls.
https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/6-000-sheep-will-soon-be-grazing-on-10-00-acres-of-texas-solar-fields
JR Howard of Texas Solar Sheep can’t buy sheep fast enough. He supplies them to solar farms, where their grazing keeps grass short for less than the cost of mowing it. Demand for his animals has skyrocketed over the past few years as more and more large solar installations are being built. Now Howard is scrambling to fulfill his biggest order yet: for 6,000 sheep, which will be put to work grazing eight Texas solar fields run by Enel North America.
Howard’s booming business is a form of agrivoltaics, which combines solar panels with agriculture or other land uses that benefit farmers and ecosystems.
Along with renting sheep out to solar fields, Howard raises them to sell for meat — but only the males. He needs as many females as he can get to shore up his herds. When he first started his business three years ago, he had just 400 sheep on one solar site. Since then, he’s deployed over 10,000. The increasing demand for sheep grazing on solar farms is “the greatest opportunity for the sheep industry in my lifetime,” Howard told Canary Media...
Ukraine’s top military commander Oleksandr Syrskii said its forces had moved forward by 1.5km (0.93 miles) over the previous 24 hours, advancing some 35km into Russia’s Kursk region since the start of the incursion. Its forces were now in control of 1,150 square kilometres (444 square miles) of Russian territory and 82 settlements, he added.
I sometimes remind myself of this when I start getting too into the mindset of there being some sort of grand plan out there.
https://x.com/officejjsmart/status/1824474289770271066
I imagine going to be tricky in jail as everybody will know why you are there and not sure the non-white prison population is going to treat bloke done for racist rioting as a hero.
I woke at around 5am (still dark here in France) needing a wee, and hearing a regular fluttering. Came back from the loo and wife said “we have a bat”.
After switching on the light we realised we did indeed have a bat flying around our bedroom. Then we noticed a second one. Then a third, out in the landing.
Half an hour of mad flapping ensued, both by us and the bats. Finally got them by swiping them out of the air with large cushions, trapping and putting them outside.
Will they be back tonight? One thing’s for sure: we’ll not be leaving windows open tonight despite the temperature.
When this war ends, the pain for Russia's economy will really hit home.
There are plenty of other 'experts' who have continually predicted Ukraine's failure, only to be proven wrong time and time again. Colonel Macgregor, as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor
Labour Party 27%
Liberal Democrats 9%
Conservative 16%
Scottish National Party (SNP) 2%
Plaid Cymru 1%
Reform UK 17%
Green Party 7%
A different party 1%
An independent 3%
Don't know 7%
Would choose not to vote 10%
Scone 52%
Scone 44%
Creamy Thing 1%
Other 3%
"No she would have pronounced it scown because she always got it wrong" - Pagan2, 7:28pm
Lab 30
Con 18
Ref 19
LD 10
Grn 8
(This is a UK-centric post but as I don't know if any Frrench species also have rabies, best not to take the risk....)
Sultana scones with butter.
But I couldn’t buy them. They were just two deer.
Metro Bank One Day Cup
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Innings of the tournament. Case closed.
Kai Smith, 19, came in at 77-5, needing another 210 for victory.
His previous high-score in 21 matches was 44, but he blasted 130* off 104 to carry his team to the semi-finals of the Metro Bank One Day Cup.
Fairy-tale stuff.
🟥 SKS 26% (-4)
🟪 Nigel Farage 20% (+6)
🟦 Rishi Sunak 10% (-1)
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@WeThink
Con 20
Ref 21
LD 11
Grn 8
without the DKs.
We Think 7-8 August.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#Election_polling
To those PBers who predicted a Labour meltdown after the riots: Feeling a bit silly now?
Because in Lenin’s time Russia was only ankle deep in shit.
The other issue, is that councils are going to struggle to grant planning permission to themselves, because politics always rapidly comes in to play. Most of the land that has been developed over the last 20 years has been the result of an agressive strategic land promotion industry finding ways around local politics, if it is all left to the Council or even an arms length government agency, that dynamic no longer exists.
If the government get sucked in to the civil service project of 'reforms to local plans, simplifying and streamlining decision making', then the whole project is over before it starts, they are just adding a load more gunge in to the existing quagmire. They would need to do something like what I suggested upthread, direct the process of housebuilding like it is a national emergency, using primary legislation to essentially circumvent the existing planning
system in some cases.
Maybe TSE is trying to give us an insight into the current teenage angst with question setting.
Here is Ms. Bucket's recipe for scones. A lot of scrolling down later.
Exceptionally disappointingly it doesn't say how to pronounce them.
http://hyacinthbucketscookbook.weebly.com/ch-5.html
https://www.greatbritishfoodawards.com/recipes/venison-cobbler-with-cheddar-rosemary-scones
Going further back than my grandparents (Edinburgh/Manchester/Birmingham/London) generation I have antecedents in Sheffield and the Staffordshire Moorlands, so possibly there have been scowners at some point in the past. I've always beem curious when this got absorbed into the sconn mainstream of the family
They are not what you want on a hot train. 😃
If you want to be individual, there is always scun (sounds-like-none).
Elsewhere, the new Home Secretary has been heard to sympathise with the struggles of contemporary teenagers. Whatever else we think of the change of Government we may, perhaps, reflect on the blessing of having people in charge who don't have an absolute, visceral hatred of the young.
In any sensible accent.
https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/scone
We gave “thoughts and prayers.”
Did you want something more??
https://x.com/kevinmyoung/status/1824087355407446378