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SystemSystem Posts: 12,050
edited August 26 in General
Something weird may be happening – politicalbetting.com

If North Carolina is tied, Trump is in serious trouble. https://t.co/VE59m3KTBA

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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,223
    edited August 12
    First, like Harris/Walz (hopefully).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,893
    edited August 12
    Secundo, like Mark Antony - Cleopatra's Second Column from Rome.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    Ohio might be worth a long odds punt.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    FPT
    DavidL said:

    Interesting spin on why Trump is holding so few rallies: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/11/2262167/-Deadbeat-Don-Why-He-s-Not-Holding-Rallies?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

    Basically, he left a strew of unpaid bills across the country in 2016 and 2020 and very few towns will allow him to hold one without paying all the clean up costs up front because he doesn't pay his bills.

    Of course he was also famous for not paying his lawyers bills (a truly shocking flaw) but he now needs them much more than they need him so they are getting the priority on available cash.

    It's also why he's held rallies not in stadiums - so he doesn't have to pay the fees.
    It also makes ensuring security for the events a lot more problematic.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    Is there any polling on other states previously considered long shot? Especially Florida, but I'm also starting to wonder if I was a bit glib in saying a flip in Missouri would presage a Harris landslide.

    If, of course, he's able to hold these states by thin margins it does bring voter efficiency into the equation.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,367
    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    Tbf, not paying the fees is considerably less stupid than playing 'My Heart Will Go On' at a political rally given the subtext.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,567
    ydoethur said:

    Is there any polling on other states previously considered long shot? Especially Florida, but I'm also starting to wonder if I was a bit glib in saying a flip in Missouri would presage a Harris landslide.

    If, of course, he's able to hold these states by thin margins it does bring voter efficiency into the equation.

    Yeah, that's why I think the 3s is value on the popular vote winner losing the election.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    A defiant Lara Trump: “We don’t give a damn about a letter from Non-American Celine Dion. I’ll sing the song myself. No one can stop this Titanic.”
    https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1822365962303340774
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    ‘Maybe I’ve gotten worse’: Trump’s attempt at discipline unravels
    The Trump campaign has been praised as tighter – but when Harris became the opponent, it lost control of its candidate
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/11/trump-campaign-discipline-struggles-harris-biden

    By whom ?
    And they can't mean pissed, given he doesn't drink alcohol.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    A defiant Lara Trump: “We don’t give a damn about a letter from Non-American Celine Dion. I’ll sing the song myself. No one can stop this Titanic.”
    https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1822365962303340774
    Fortunately, a parody.

    Worrying that these people are so far gone I felt the need to check though.
    Yes, but I couldn't resist.
    Given her previous comments, it's a pretty credible effort. Bonus points for the background pic.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    Meanwhile, this is not parody, it's just truly epochally unselfaware, ironic and silly.

    "And so they’re name-calling instead of actually telling the American people how they’re going to make their lives better. I think that’s weird, Dana, but look, they can call me whatever they want to.”

    This wit and insight was brought to you by Senator JD Vance, who also gave you this:

    "We are effectively run in this country…by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made. And they want to make the rest of the country miserable too.”

    In a career full of stupid decisions, Trump's tapping of Vance as running mate must be up there with the stupidest.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/11/vance-targets-harris-walz
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,067
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,170
    I think some people may be getting high on their own supply.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,762
    ydoethur said:

    Is there any polling on other states previously considered long shot? Especially Florida, but I'm also starting to wonder if I was a bit glib in saying a flip in Missouri would presage a Harris landslide.

    If, of course, he's able to hold these states by thin margins it does bring voter efficiency into the equation.

    I wonder about other states that we might consider lean red. I suspect that Walz goes down very well in Iowa for example.

    And if we are looking at states that flip blue with a significant lead maybe South Carolina too, which has been drifting away from the Republicans for years and has a significant African-American vote.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,747
    It's probably as well Trump isn't holding rallies. Every time he opens his mouth at the moment, he produces a torrent of fact-checkable lies.

    "Nobody has crowds like I do, you know that...I don't know who's ever had bigger crowds. Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me."

    He gets so triggered by crowd sizes that has also bought in to some dude on the internet claiming Harris's rally was AI'd. (It wasn't...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegb6scbbj4
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649

    I think some people may be getting high on their own supply.

    Probably, but he seems to have gone to sleep after burbling about how much he hates pets, so we're safe for now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    edited August 12

    It's probably as well Trump isn't holding rallies. Every time he opens his mouth at the moment, he produces a torrent of fact-checkable lies.

    "Nobody has crowds like I do, you know that...I don't know who's ever had bigger crowds. Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me."

    He gets so triggered by crowd sizes that has also bought in to some dude on the internet claiming Harris's rally was AI'd. (It wasn't...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegb6scbbj4

    He's often had trouble overestimating the real size of important things.

    For example, button mushrooms.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,435

    I think some people may be getting high on their own supply.

    Trump/Vance definitely. And it’s not a good supply.

    The state polling is always worth following in such tight races.

    The problem is that the number of decent polls even in the swing states is low. The number outside that….
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,435
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    A defiant Lara Trump: “We don’t give a damn about a letter from Non-American Celine Dion. I’ll sing the song myself. No one can stop this Titanic.”
    https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1822365962303340774
    Fortunately, a parody.

    Worrying that these people are so far gone I felt the need to check though.
    It was on Twatter. That gives it the reliability of someone who was fired from the DfE for being a lying incompetent.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,567
    ydoethur said:

    I think some people may be getting high on their own supply.

    Probably, but he seems to have gone to sleep after burbling about how much he hates pets, so we're safe for now.
    He hates cat owners, so like J.D. Vance has Leon ever fucked a sofa?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    edited August 12
    Also, it is worth pointing out that even if Trump was right about the March on Washington (he wasn't) many people have addressed bigger crowds than he'll ever get.

    Don't like the man and annoy his supporters by comparing him to Trump, but Corbyn addressed a crowd estimated at over a million on 15th Feb 2003 as part of a Stop the War protest.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    A defiant Lara Trump: “We don’t give a damn about a letter from Non-American Celine Dion. I’ll sing the song myself. No one can stop this Titanic.”
    https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1822365962303340774
    Fortunately, a parody.

    Worrying that these people are so far gone I felt the need to check though.
    It was on Twatter. That gives it the reliability of someone who was fired from the DfE for being a lying incompetent.
    Has anyone ever been fired for those reasons by the DfE?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    .
    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262
    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,972
    ydoethur said:

    Meanwhile, this is not parody, it's just truly epochally unselfaware, ironic and silly.

    "And so they’re name-calling instead of actually telling the American people how they’re going to make their lives better. I think that’s weird, Dana, but look, they can call me whatever they want to.”

    This wit and insight was brought to you by Senator JD Vance, who also gave you this:

    "We are effectively run in this country…by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made. And they want to make the rest of the country miserable too.”

    In a career full of stupid decisions, Trump's tapping of Vance as running mate must be up there with the stupidest.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/11/vance-targets-harris-walz

    Interesting article. Luntz is right that Harris has the weakest record of any recent Democrat candidate. (Not that Hilary Clinton's pretty good record worked for her. Trumps record is hardly stellar either,)
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,520
    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262
    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,572
    One of Trump's main assets was jos apparent inevitability. MAGA,A would get him the nomination, the economy/Biden's visible decrepitude would get him the White House. So "get with the program people" would reinforce that.

    Nothing personal. Biden was inevitable (until he wasn't) as the best man to stop Trump. See also Johnson in 2019.

    But take the inevitability away, and the fundamental merits of the situation matter again. And while the fundamentals don't all go one way, there's no escaping the observation that this version of Trump is a pretty terrible candidate.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Is there any polling on other states previously considered long shot? Especially Florida, but I'm also starting to wonder if I was a bit glib in saying a flip in Missouri would presage a Harris landslide.

    If, of course, he's able to hold these states by thin margins it does bring voter efficiency into the equation.

    I wonder about other states that we might consider lean red. I suspect that Walz goes down very well in Iowa for example.

    And if we are looking at states that flip blue with a significant lead maybe South Carolina too, which has been drifting away from the Republicans for years and has a significant African-American vote.
    In the other direction we need some Virginia polling. Latest polling seems to be from a month ago, some of which has Trump ahead of Harris.

    Biden won Virginia 2020 by 9.4% so shouldn't really be in play.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,493
    So it's 2 years later and we still have issues with driving tests. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkypgwnkg4o

    Now the fix here is simple, once booked don't allow the licence number to be changed - that would make booking them in advance and changing the number pointless.

    And if an appointment is cancelled it can just go back into the pot, if rebooked the originally booker is refunded, if not tough luck
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    edited August 12
    .
    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Of course.
    But the bet is being suggested mainly on the basis of his losing the popular vote, but scraping an EC win. As a hedge for a pro Harris book, it's not terrible.

    Thought at 3, I'm not tempted..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262

    One of Trump's main assets was jos apparent inevitability. MAGA,A would get him the nomination, the economy/Biden's visible decrepitude would get him the White House. So "get with the program people" would reinforce that.

    Nothing personal. Biden was inevitable (until he wasn't) as the best man to stop Trump. See also Johnson in 2019.

    But take the inevitability away, and the fundamental merits of the situation matter again. And while the fundamentals don't all go one way, there's no escaping the observation that this version of Trump is a pretty terrible candidate.

    Yep. For Trump the road to the WH ran through a unelectable opponent.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,493
    edited August 12

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    A defiant Lara Trump: “We don’t give a damn about a letter from Non-American Celine Dion. I’ll sing the song myself. No one can stop this Titanic.”
    https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1822365962303340774
    Fortunately, a parody.

    Worrying that these people are so far gone I felt the need to check though.
    It was on Twatter. That gives it the reliability of someone who was fired from the DfE for being a lying incompetent.
    That last bit is implausible - the only reasons you would end up fired from the DfE is for being competent, so showing everyone else up...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262
    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Yes that's where the market is. He's 5 to win the PV. But I'm not with the market on this. It's more like a 10% for me.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    kinabalu said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Yes that's where the market is. He's 5 to win the PV. But I'm not with the market on this. It's more like a 10% for me.
    OK, I don't have access to BF political markets here, but sounds like you see some value there. What's your reasoning?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,441
    eek said:

    So it's 2 years later and we still have issues with driving tests. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkypgwnkg4o

    Now the fix here is simple, once booked don't allow the licence number to be changed - that would make booking them in advance and changing the number pointless.

    And if an appointment is cancelled it can just go back into the pot, if rebooked the originally booker is refunded, if not tough luck

    Re-selling a test isn't illegal ...
    ... The companies use ‘bots’, external which input data more quickly than a human can, so they’re able to secure test dates before those without the software.

    I'd favour summary execution for the block bookers as these are the fiends that make those god awful captcha tests a potential get out against the bots.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262

    It's probably as well Trump isn't holding rallies. Every time he opens his mouth at the moment, he produces a torrent of fact-checkable lies.

    "Nobody has crowds like I do, you know that...I don't know who's ever had bigger crowds. Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me."

    He gets so triggered by crowd sizes that has also bought in to some dude on the internet claiming Harris's rally was AI'd. (It wasn't...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegb6scbbj4

    His crowds are bigger even than MLK's "Dream" speech and nobody admits that. But that's ok because he "likes Martin Luther King".
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,140
    eek said:

    So it's 2 years later and we still have issues with driving tests. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkypgwnkg4o

    Now the fix here is simple, once booked don't allow the licence number to be changed - that would make booking them in advance and changing the number pointless.

    And if an appointment is cancelled it can just go back into the pot, if rebooked the originally booker is refunded, if not tough luck

    This is the boring minor kind of stuff I hope Labour can get right and in aggregate it will make a difference. Less expectations on the bigger stuff but there is really no excuse for a lot of small quick fixes having been ignored whilst the Tories ranted about the modern world.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,796
    edited August 12
    OT. An object lesson in how to conduct an interview with a less than forthcoming spokesman.......The BBC really are the best

    (approx 8.12am)


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,893
    FPT:
    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,489
    kinabalu said:

    It's probably as well Trump isn't holding rallies. Every time he opens his mouth at the moment, he produces a torrent of fact-checkable lies.

    "Nobody has crowds like I do, you know that...I don't know who's ever had bigger crowds. Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me."

    He gets so triggered by crowd sizes that has also bought in to some dude on the internet claiming Harris's rally was AI'd. (It wasn't...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gegb6scbbj4

    His crowds are bigger even than MLK's "Dream" speech and nobody admits that. But that's ok because he "likes Martin Luther King".
    Did he take a helicopter flight with him?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,117

    eek said:

    So it's 2 years later and we still have issues with driving tests. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clkypgwnkg4o

    Now the fix here is simple, once booked don't allow the licence number to be changed - that would make booking them in advance and changing the number pointless.

    And if an appointment is cancelled it can just go back into the pot, if rebooked the originally booker is refunded, if not tough luck

    This is the boring minor kind of stuff I hope Labour can get right and in aggregate it will make a difference. Less expectations on the bigger stuff but there is really no excuse for a lot of small quick fixes having been ignored whilst the Tories ranted about the modern world.
    Labour can fix this but surely the fundamental capacity issue remains. There are not enough tests available, and this is what creates opportunities for the bots. It also means candidates attempt the test before they are ready, since they might not get another test slot for six months. Of course, this exacerbates the shortage.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    Somewhat depressing news from Iran.
    The whole article is worth a read.

    https://amwaj.media/article/inside-story-zarif-leaves-iran-s-new-government
    In a shock move, former Iranian chief diplomat Mohammad Javad Zarif has resigned from the Masoud Pezeshkian administration. The move comes less than two weeks after the recently-elected Reformist president named Zarif as his deputy for strategic affairs.

    Speaking on condition of anonymity, senior informed sources in Tehran told Amwaj.media that the resignation is driven by deep disappointment with Pezeshkian’s decision to largely ignore the recommendations of the transition team. Additionally, behind the scenes, there has been disarray over an apparent hardliner attempt to push Zarif out of office through a law barring officials with ties to the west.

    The senior sources said Zarif tendered his resignation as early as Aug. 3, informing the president on Aug. 11—in connection with the publicization of ministerial nominees—that he would return to teaching at Tehran University.

    The departure of the political heavyweight comes amid widespread disappointment with Pezeshkian’s cabinet picks. Supporters of the administration say the president has failed to keep his promise of forming a younger and more inclusive government. In this context, the loss of Zarif—the president’s effective running mate during campaigning—could be catastrophic for Pezeshkian’s popular mandate.

    Loath to enter domestic politics and reviled by conservatives, Zarif—still among few political figures able to electrify a sizable segment of Iran’s electorate—declined to enter the 2021 presidential race. After conservative President Ebrahim Raisi died in a sudden helicopter crash in May this year, the former top diplomat again did not register to contest snap polls.

    However, things changed when Pezeshkian, a prominent MP backed by the Reformist camp, was unexpectedly cleared to run by the Guardian Council. Facing four conservatives, the Pezeshkian campaign sputtered at first. But the situation shifted rapidly when Zarif joined the race, and with fervor. Touring the country and appearing on televised presidential debates to attack conservatives and defend his own record, the former chief diplomat in many ways became the person that Pezeshkian’s supporters really voted for...
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    Nigelb said:

    .

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Of course.
    But the bet is being suggested mainly on the basis of his losing the popular vote, but scraping an EC win. As a hedge for a pro Harris book, it's not terrible.

    Thought at 3, I'm not tempted..
    Right so if he wins the popular vote you lose the original bet and the "hedge" too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    edited August 12
    Interestingly, command of the campaign against the Ukraine incursion has reportedly been taken from Gerasimov and handed to the FSB.

    https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1822905091881341393
    Everyone who, extremely foolishly and with significant damage to their long term reputation, stated that Ukraine had stopped advancing because the **FSB PROPAGANDA** said so can rest assured that, no, Ukraine is continuing to advance in Kursk.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    kamski said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Of course.
    But the bet is being suggested mainly on the basis of his losing the popular vote, but scraping an EC win. As a hedge for a pro Harris book, it's not terrible.

    Thought at 3, I'm not tempted..
    Right so if he wins the popular vote you lose the original bet and the "hedge" too.
    It is very, very difficult for Trump to win the popular vote. His base is too small and he's too divisive to appeal to large numbers of swing voters.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 983
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
    Some pubs have a "Dog Friendly" notice, which is useful because I can avoid them!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,117
    Doctor warned Nottingham attacker could kill
    ...
    Calocane was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in 2020 and was sectioned four times in less than two years.

    In June 2023, he went on a rampage through the streets of Nottingham, killing students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar, both aged 19, with a knife as they returned from a night out, before stabbing to death Ian Coates, 65, near the school where he worked as a caretaker.

    Calocane then stole his van and crashed into three other people, inflicting serious injuries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c990rmvy4ero

    Panorama, 8pm BBC1 tonight.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,763
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently he also diverted his plane to a different airport as he hasn't paid the fees at the first one...

    Also apparently being sued for playing unlicensed music at the rallies

    A defiant Lara Trump: “We don’t give a damn about a letter from Non-American Celine Dion. I’ll sing the song myself. No one can stop this Titanic.”
    https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1822365962303340774
    Fortunately, a parody.

    Worrying that these people are so far gone I felt the need to check though.
    It was on Twatter. That gives it the reliability of someone who was fired from the DfE for being a lying incompetent.
    Has anyone ever been fired for those reasons by the DfE?
    I thought those came under the essential skills section on the job adverts
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    kamski said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Of course.
    But the bet is being suggested mainly on the basis of his losing the popular vote, but scraping an EC win. As a hedge for a pro Harris book, it's not terrible.

    Thought at 3, I'm not tempted..
    Right so if he wins the popular vote you lose the original bet and the "hedge" too.
    Sure.
    But in circumstances where Harris was trading at 1.5 rather than around evens, it might be worth considering.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,747
    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262
    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Yes that's where the market is. He's 5 to win the PV. But I'm not with the market on this. It's more like a 10% for me.
    OK, I don't have access to BF political markets here, but sounds like you see some value there. What's your reasoning?
    Stripped of an unelectable opponent the ceiling on Trump's support is IMO too low to win the PV. He didn't in 16 or 20 and I can't see why he would this time given he's an older weaker candidate now. But I give it a 10'% chance to allow for campaign changes and 'events' etc.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,912
    kjh said:

    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.

    On the sociable side I can definitely concur. We have a rather unusual Spanish podenco (a lot hairier than most and white) and she is always attracting attention, to the point that we have now put her breed on her harness (doesn't help much as most don't read it). I'd say we get stopped 5 times on every trip into town, and she is well known in Warminster. Its worse on our travels. But if you wanted to meet people, it would be brilliant.


  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Of course.
    But the bet is being suggested mainly on the basis of his losing the popular vote, but scraping an EC win. As a hedge for a pro Harris book, it's not terrible.

    Thought at 3, I'm not tempted..
    Right so if he wins the popular vote you lose the original bet and the "hedge" too.
    It is very, very difficult for Trump to win the popular vote. His base is too small and he's too divisive to appeal to large numbers of swing voters.
    Yes - that is what I was disagreeing with in the first place! But I'm open to persuasion, current polling has him within a normal error of winning popular vote, so I need a little bit more
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,912
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
    Not doubting your figure for sheep kills, but a little surprised. Do you have a link to data?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,572

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,372
    Nigelb said:

    Interestingly, command of the campaign against the Ukraine incursion has reportedly been taken from Gerasimov and handed to the FSB.

    https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1822905091881341393
    Everyone who, extremely foolishly and with significant damage to their long term reputation, stated that Ukraine had stopped advancing because the **FSB PROPAGANDA** said so can rest assured that, no, Ukraine is continuing to advance in Kursk.

    Ah, the FSB now in charge. That’ll explain why there’s another region of Kursk under evaculation order, and the Ukranians are very much continuing their advance.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1822415809911599431 /

    This is the funniest war story since the Wagner idiots tried to run to Moscow to stage a coup last year.

    The FSB will be way more concerned by the need to keep a lid on the story, than in either retaking any land nor caring for the evacuees, although they will be a little confused as to why the Ukranians aren’t deliberately targeting civilians.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,915
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
    That's an extraordinary statistic. Wow.

    The RSPCA/SSPCA should be shouting from the rooftops about that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,912

    Doctor warned Nottingham attacker could kill
    ...
    Calocane was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in 2020 and was sectioned four times in less than two years.

    In June 2023, he went on a rampage through the streets of Nottingham, killing students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar, both aged 19, with a knife as they returned from a night out, before stabbing to death Ian Coates, 65, near the school where he worked as a caretaker.

    Calocane then stole his van and crashed into three other people, inflicting serious injuries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c990rmvy4ero

    Panorama, 8pm BBC1 tonight.

    BBC splashing this story, but as ever, 'could' is currently doing the heavy lifting. In any risk assessment there is a chance that it goes wrong. What was the alternative? Look him up for life because he might be a risk?

    No easy ways to handle this kind of thing.

    Close relatives have been through the mill with childrens services because one doctor was convinced my nephew had harmed his child and was a danger. Utter bollocks. However my nephew has a record (accepted a caution for smoking weed while in possession of a knife - he's a tree surgeon and it was in his car for work). But he is immediately tarred by the system, to the extent that the judge in the case openly said he thought my nephew was a liar and lying about things. I think its all ben rubbish, but I can see how the case presents. None of this is easy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    Who was the last losing candidate from a major party to run again? Nixon in 1968 would be one, but I think the first to run again straight away was Adlai Stevenson in 1956.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,441
    Sharp east-west split on the heat today - Lincoln 31, Sheffield 25, Manchester 21; London 31, Bristol 20.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262
    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    Exactly. And that's the betting consensus. A close one. So callout to betfair shrewdies - let's have my mug money taken @ 7 please!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,915
    On dogs, the Australia/New Zealand have this right. Specific parks or areas for off-lead, and a blanket ban in National Parks.

    Our NPs aren't specifically for wildlife, but areas with vulnerable animals (Capercaillie etc) should be protected imo. I would extend that to fields with livestock - no dogs, no exceptions.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 2,981
    I note that The Times has a story on the front page suggesting "Tommy Robinson" may be under investigation for financial and other links to Russia, and that the investigation may also extend to Farage.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mi5-scrutinise-tommy-robinson-funding-nigel-farage-hffj9drjl

    If true, then it marks a new determination to fight back against Russian subversion of our democracy.

    If the allegations are true, then some prominent figures could well be going to face very long jail sentences.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,067
    edited August 12
    I doubt Harris will win either North Carolina or Ohio, though the black vote likely boosts Harris in NC.

    Trump currently leads North Carolina by 3.2% in the RCP average, although it would be tighter after the newer poll and Trump leads his VP Nominee JD Vance's Ohio by 11.5%.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/north-carolina/trump-vs-harris
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/ohio/trump-vs-harris


    It may be that Harris' vote with Walz is more efficient than Hillary's was with Kaine in 2016 though, even if she is still behind the 306 EC votes Biden won in 2020 to beat Trump. For instance Trump leads the EC overall by only 287 to 251 for Harris compared to the 307 to 227 margin he beat Hillary Clinton by in 2016. Yet in the national popular vote Harris leads Trump by only 0.8% on average compared to the 2.1% lead Hillary had over Trump in the popular vote in 2016


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,762

    kjh said:

    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.

    On the sociable side I can definitely concur. We have a rather unusual Spanish podenco (a lot hairier than most and white) and she is always attracting attention, to the point that we have now put her breed on her harness (doesn't help much as most don't read it). I'd say we get stopped 5 times on every trip into town, and she is well known in Warminster. Its worse on our travels. But if you wanted to meet people, it would be brilliant.


    Mine is a Portuguese Podengo Pequeno, and also get lots of questions about breed. Being a dog owner is a very sociable thing. In both Leics and IoW I chat with a lot of fellow dog owners when out and about. It amuses me that I know their dogs names but not the owners.

    I am fully in favour of dog owners being responsible, and get nervous myself of bigger dogs not under proper control. I keep my dog on a lead if there are other people about, particularly children. Dogs should be chipped and licensed and owners legally liable for their dogs actions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,067
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    Who was the last losing candidate from a major party to run again? Nixon in 1968 would be one, but I think the first to run again straight away was Adlai Stevenson in 1956.
    And President Eisenhower comfortably beat Stevenson again in 1956
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
    That's an extraordinary statistic. Wow.

    The RSPCA/SSPCA should be shouting from the rooftops about that.
    I don't think there are firm figures for that - it's more likely some sort of extrapolation from surveys like this one.
    https://nationalsheep.org.uk/for-the-public/culture/sheep-worrying/survey-results/

    Seems somewhat on the high side to me, FWIW.
    But given there are over 30m sheep in the UK, it's not impossible.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,762
    Eabhal said:

    On dogs, the Australia/New Zealand have this right. Specific parks or areas for off-lead, and a blanket ban in National Parks.

    Our NPs aren't specifically for wildlife, but areas with vulnerable animals (Capercaillie etc) should be protected imo. I would extend that to fields with livestock - no dogs, no exceptions.

    Many footpaths are rights of way, and farmers can legally keep livestock there, but dogs on such paths should be on leads with no exceptions.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,520

    kjh said:

    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.

    On the sociable side I can definitely concur. We have a rather unusual Spanish podenco (a lot hairier than most and white) and she is always attracting attention, to the point that we have now put her breed on her harness (doesn't help much as most don't read it). I'd say we get stopped 5 times on every trip into town, and she is well known in Warminster. Its worse on our travels. But if you wanted to meet people, it would be brilliant.


    Yep every trip we meet several new people and have made lots of friends. Complete strangers ask to take his picture. He often does very funny things, particularly when stealing stuff for attention. He is an accomplished thief which is annoying, often expensive, but often fun. He is trained to sit before being given a treat and won't take it unless given permission so on one walk two ladies with multiple dogs were getting treats out for their dogs. He was first there being more obedient than the other dogs, only problem - wrong owners. They were in hysterics.

    I was very shy when young re talking to girls. I was scared and got tongue tied. A dog would have been a godsend. I met so many young ladies now it is far too late.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    Who was the last losing candidate from a major party to run again? Nixon in 1968 would be one, but I think the first to run again straight away was Adlai Stevenson in 1956.
    And President Eisenhower comfortably beat Stevenson again in 1956
    I'm glad to see you're becoming more positive on Harris' prospects!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045
    kinabalu said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    If you have a very pro Harris book and want to de-risk a little bit that 3 on the election winner losing the PV is not a bad one to pop on because that is Trump's best realistic outcome.

    Is it? Harris currently about 2% ahead in average national polling. Plenty of time for that to change (in either direction), and also within normal polling average error (in either direction). I'd put Trump's chances of winning popular vote at maybe 25%.
    Yes that's where the market is. He's 5 to win the PV. But I'm not with the market on this. It's more like a 10% for me.
    OK, I don't have access to BF political markets here, but sounds like you see some value there. What's your reasoning?
    Stripped of an unelectable opponent the ceiling on Trump's support is IMO too low to win the PV. He didn't in 16 or 20 and I can't see why he would this time given he's an older weaker candidate now. But I give it a 10'% chance to allow for campaign changes and 'events' etc.
    His current net favorability is -8.2 (538 average).

    His net favorability at this point in 2016 was nearer -30 in the 538 average.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,489
    Cicero said:

    I note that The Times has a story on the front page suggesting "Tommy Robinson" may be under investigation for financial and other links to Russia, and that the investigation may also extend to Farage.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mi5-scrutinise-tommy-robinson-funding-nigel-farage-hffj9drjl

    If true, then it marks a new determination to fight back against Russian subversion of our democracy.

    If the allegations are true, then some prominent figures could well be going to face very long jail sentences.

    It's the hope etc etc...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,067
    Cicero said:

    I note that The Times has a story on the front page suggesting "Tommy Robinson" may be under investigation for financial and other links to Russia, and that the investigation may also extend to Farage.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mi5-scrutinise-tommy-robinson-funding-nigel-farage-hffj9drjl

    If true, then it marks a new determination to fight back against Russian subversion of our democracy.

    If the allegations are true, then some prominent figures could well be going to face very long jail sentences.

    No proof of anything there yet though, just MI5 will be looking to see if any Russian funding was behind those who organised the riots (and that wouldn't include Farage anyway and even Robinson was abroad at the time albeit using social media)
  • kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    It'd be very risky for Harris to try to win by exactly replicating Biden's map. She has quite a lot of cash in the campaign kitty, and does need to bring other states into play to provide a bit of redundancy - a wider number of paths to 270.

    One reason both North Carolina and Ohio are pretty good options are that they have major state-wide races that look competitive in 2024 so Democrats will be campaigning hard anyway. Sherrod Brown is seeking re-election as Senator in Ohio, and Josh Stein to succeed his colleague Roy Cooper as Governor - both are narrow favourites, so Trump will be asking their voters to split the ballot. They both also have serious numbers of electoral votes.

    Ignoring Maine's second district (just one electoral college vote) the top five most marginal states carried by Trump are those two plus Texas, Florida and Iowa. Iowa is small, trending against the Democrats, and has no Senate/Governor election in 2024. Texas doesn't look massively competitive for the Senate election, and although it's closer in Florida, Rick Scott has to be a pretty clear favourite.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    On checking, I have Florida at 5.5, and Ohio at 6.
    Small punts.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,262
    kjh said:

    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.

    Same but for a cat. We've adopted one and I've quickly grown very fond of it despite not being a pet person, or any sort of animal person. It's the first time in my life that I've felt affection for an animal and I feel a little bit changed by it and for the better.

    'Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened'

    That's a quote from somewhere that I'd have scoffed at. But no longer.

    I'll post a photo of him at some point if I can figure how to do it - then whenever I talk about 'my cat' people will be able to picture him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,747

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    But if that inevitability field should collapse...

    Here's a very long podcast with US pollster Tom Bonier. Gets into detail of current polls at around 45 minutes in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZDSGytRWw
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,067
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    Who was the last losing candidate from a major party to run again? Nixon in 1968 would be one, but I think the first to run again straight away was Adlai Stevenson in 1956.
    And President Eisenhower comfortably beat Stevenson again in 1956
    Truman had beaten Dewey 8 years earlier though as Trump had a win 8 years earlier
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,893
    edited August 12

    kjh said:

    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.

    On the sociable side I can definitely concur. We have a rather unusual Spanish podenco (a lot hairier than most and white) and she is always attracting attention, to the point that we have now put her breed on her harness (doesn't help much as most don't read it). I'd say we get stopped 5 times on every trip into town, and she is well known in Warminster. Its worse on our travels. But if you wanted to meet people, it would be brilliant.


    Combined names are hazardous.

    My cousin has a cross between a Shitzu and a Poodle, and I am threatened with expulsion from the premises should I use the correct, tautological, name (cousin is very polite).

    Yes - dogs are good for starting up conversations.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    Who was the last losing candidate from a major party to run again? Nixon in 1968 would be one, but I think the first to run again straight away was Adlai Stevenson in 1956.
    And President Eisenhower comfortably beat Stevenson again in 1956
    Truman had beaten Dewey 8 years earlier though as Trump had a win 8 years earlier
    Truman was also the incumbent President, as was Eisenhower.

    (Nixon of course lost in 1960 to a challenger, narrowly. But Kennedy wasn't a retread.)
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    two cycles in a row pols have badly underestimated Trump in Ohio. It looks close then on the day it isn't. And two cycles in a row it's PVI has swung bigly to Trump (even if the margin was the same). It has a lot of wwc small towns that no longer vote dems. That won't change this election. In fact Dems still have room to fall in the small towns. ANd whilst GOP have room to fall in the suburbs they matter less in Ohio then e.g in WI where the WOW counties make up a huge chunk of the GOP vote.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,067
    edited August 12

    Doctor warned Nottingham attacker could kill
    ...
    Calocane was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia in 2020 and was sectioned four times in less than two years.

    In June 2023, he went on a rampage through the streets of Nottingham, killing students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar, both aged 19, with a knife as they returned from a night out, before stabbing to death Ian Coates, 65, near the school where he worked as a caretaker.

    Calocane then stole his van and crashed into three other people, inflicting serious injuries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c990rmvy4ero

    Panorama, 8pm BBC1 tonight.

    Another failure of care in the community. As even Calocane's family said he should have been sectioned permanently with paranoid schizophrenia as he will now be effectively anyway with an indefinite hospital order after the sad killings he caused
  • I have been trying to find an impartial US site for polling etc.

    www.270towin.com looks reasonable, with a running list of the most recent polls https://www.270towin.com/polls/latest-2024-presidential-election-polls/

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,708
    HYUFD said:

    Cicero said:

    I note that The Times has a story on the front page suggesting "Tommy Robinson" may be under investigation for financial and other links to Russia, and that the investigation may also extend to Farage.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mi5-scrutinise-tommy-robinson-funding-nigel-farage-hffj9drjl

    If true, then it marks a new determination to fight back against Russian subversion of our democracy.

    If the allegations are true, then some prominent figures could well be going to face very long jail sentences.

    No proof of anything there yet though, just MI5 will be looking to see if any Russian funding was behind those who organised the riots (and that wouldn't include Farage anyway and even Robinson was abroad at the time albeit using social media)
    Reads like maybe private polling is showing Reform ahead of Labour in VI to me...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,797
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    But (apparently) his people are worried about Ohio on the basis of their private polling. A sub-50% finding (aparently) brings it into toss-up territory.

    I will not be surprised to see Ohio tied or better for Harris after the Convention.

    Why his advisors are so worried is because there is no positive narrative coming out of the Trump campaign. No policies are being brought forward. Just Trump's paranoia that his showman schtick is failing. He is now reduced to being the centre of attention only because he is coming out with frankly risible nonsense about how many people want to turn up to see him versus Harris-Walz or even MLK Jnr. Whilst we can see the level of enthusiasm for Harris and Walz's "tour of joy" around the swing states, we just have to take Trump's word for the continuing love for him because there are no empirical ways of measuring it.
    Thing is, Trump the politician has always been like that. It's just that the inevitability field around him has stopped the relevant people noticing.

    And you have to hand it to him, he kept it going after... you know... losing in
    2020. It's a definite political superpower. So whilst I would like to think that Hans Christian Andersen finally applies to Trump, I'll only believe it when I see it.
    Who was the last losing candidate from a major party to run again? Nixon in 1968 would be one, but I think the first to run again straight away was Adlai Stevenson in 1956.
    Stevenson is a terrible comparison, for all manner of reasons.
    Here's one of the less known ones.
    ..Many years later, it was revealed that during the campaign Stevenson was approached by Soviet Ambassador Menshikov who offered Soviet financial and public relations help to assist him in getting elected if he decided to run. Stevenson flatly rejected the Soviet offer, telling Menshikov that he "considered the offer of such assistance highly improper, indiscreet and dangerous to all concerned". Stevenson then reported the incident directly to President Eisenhower...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,170
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
    Exactly. Dog attacks and bites are not rare.

    Just because he's "friendly" to the owner doesn't mean that he's not a threat to anyone else.

    Dogs are animals and should be on leads by default.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,170
    MattW said:

    kjh said:

    On the previous discussion on dogs I thought it worth posting from a conversion point of view. I have never owned a dog and had no desire to do so. My wife was keen and I relented. We bought a Sproodle puppy 3.5 years ago. It has brought huge joy. It is the most bonkers dog anyone we have met has come across. It got expelled from puppy training for being belligerent. By the nature of the breed it is very bright and trainable, but wilful so chooses when to obey if something else is more interesting. It is huge fun and is incredibly affectionate. It costs a fortune to keep, particularly vet bills and destroyed belongings. It is hugely sociable owning a dog (particularly a cute, bonkers one) as everyone comes up to talk to you from young to old.

    On the sociable side I can definitely concur. We have a rather unusual Spanish podenco (a lot hairier than most and white) and she is always attracting attention, to the point that we have now put her breed on her harness (doesn't help much as most don't read it). I'd say we get stopped 5 times on every trip into town, and she is well known in Warminster. Its worse on our travels. But if you wanted to meet people, it would be brilliant.


    Combined names are hazardous.

    My cousin has a cross between a Shitzu and a Poodle, and I am threatened with expulsion from the premises should I use the correct, tautological, name (cousin is very polite).

    Yes - dogs are good for starting up conversations.
    You should combine a Bulldog with a Shitzu.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,170
    Don't blame the dog, blame the owner is the dog owner's version of guns don't kill people, people kill people.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045



    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    It'd be very risky for Harris to try to win by exactly replicating Biden's map. She has quite a lot of cash in the campaign kitty, and does need to bring other states into play to provide a bit of redundancy - a wider number of paths to 270.

    One reason both North Carolina and Ohio are pretty good options are that they have major state-wide races that look competitive in 2024 so Democrats will be campaigning hard anyway. Sherrod Brown is seeking re-election as Senator in Ohio, and Josh Stein to succeed his colleague Roy Cooper as Governor - both are narrow favourites, so Trump will be asking their voters to split the ballot. They both also have serious numbers of electoral votes.

    Ignoring Maine's second district (just one electoral college vote) the top five most marginal states carried by Trump are those two plus Texas, Florida and Iowa. Iowa is small, trending against the Democrats, and has no Senate/Governor election in 2024. Texas doesn't look massively competitive for the Senate election, and although it's closer in Florida, Rick Scott has to be a pretty clear favourite.
    But it's hard to imagine an election where Harris wins Ohio where she hasn't already won (until some actual polling says different, which would be surprising). North Carolina is different as the polling has it close, and it was much closer last time. Biden 2024 was just as far behind in Ohio as in Texas before he dropped out. But yes a good idea to campaign in Ohio.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,067

    HYUFD said:

    Cicero said:

    I note that The Times has a story on the front page suggesting "Tommy Robinson" may be under investigation for financial and other links to Russia, and that the investigation may also extend to Farage.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mi5-scrutinise-tommy-robinson-funding-nigel-farage-hffj9drjl

    If true, then it marks a new determination to fight back against Russian subversion of our democracy.

    If the allegations are true, then some prominent figures could well be going to face very long jail sentences.

    No proof of anything there yet though, just MI5 will be looking to see if any Russian funding was behind those who organised the riots (and that wouldn't include Farage anyway and even Robinson was abroad at the time albeit using social media)
    Reads like maybe private polling is showing Reform ahead of Labour in VI to me...
    I doubt it, though they may have taken a few white working class voters who voted Labour in redwall seats on 4th July but for Boris in 2019
  • On topic - North Carolina is certainly the most likely to flip to the Dems. Any others would be real outsiders - Indiana, Texas, Ohio, Iowa - if you bet on them make sure the odds are very good.

    On the other side Georgia should go back to the Reps - they really were taken by surprise last time.

    On vote efficiency. Polls suggest the Dems are leading on that one too. If they win all the swing states bar Georgia and are in a recount for North Carolina then that might be the poster child for vote efficiency.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,045

    I have been trying to find an impartial US site for polling etc.

    www.270towin.com looks reasonable, with a running list of the most recent polls https://www.270towin.com/polls/latest-2024-presidential-election-polls/

    Plus they have a very handy electoral college map
  • eekeek Posts: 27,493
    kamski said:



    kamski said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    viewcode said:
    That's what I mean.
    I'm on at 5.5, but there's no volume.
    I got a bit higher than that but only for a tiny amount. Where are all those punters who think the election is a toss up? C'mon, take my money!
    Ohio is firmly in the Trump column in a toss up election. Won by Trump by 8% in 2020.
    It'd be very risky for Harris to try to win by exactly replicating Biden's map. She has quite a lot of cash in the campaign kitty, and does need to bring other states into play to provide a bit of redundancy - a wider number of paths to 270.

    One reason both North Carolina and Ohio are pretty good options are that they have major state-wide races that look competitive in 2024 so Democrats will be campaigning hard anyway. Sherrod Brown is seeking re-election as Senator in Ohio, and Josh Stein to succeed his colleague Roy Cooper as Governor - both are narrow favourites, so Trump will be asking their voters to split the ballot. They both also have serious numbers of electoral votes.

    Ignoring Maine's second district (just one electoral college vote) the top five most marginal states carried by Trump are those two plus Texas, Florida and Iowa. Iowa is small, trending against the Democrats, and has no Senate/Governor election in 2024. Texas doesn't look massively competitive for the Senate election, and although it's closer in Florida, Rick Scott has to be a pretty clear favourite.
    But it's hard to imagine an election where Harris wins Ohio where she hasn't already won (until some actual polling says different, which would be surprising). North Carolina is different as the polling has it close, and it was much closer last time. Biden 2024 was just as far behind in Ohio as in Texas before he dropped out. But yes a good idea to campaign in Ohio.
    The question is where can you campaign efficiently so piggybacking on a Senate / Governor campaign is going to be cheaper than in a state were the only reason to come out is to vote for Harris.

    Hence why abortion and similar referendums are vote winners, they get the people most likely to vote for you into the voting booth.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,893
    edited August 12
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Genuinely think there is a potential anti pet movement out there waiting to coalesce. Particularly since the pandemic, pets have encroached on what were human only spaces.

    We have dog friendly cafes and restaurants. Near me there is a normal swimming pool with a dog friendly day.

    But the English love their pets. Perhaps more than they love their children.

    I'm not a dog person, and I see nothing wrong with those. It becomes a problem when the thing is enforced universally - like the movement to vegetarian options in work restaurants, which is fine until suddenly a day is implemented which BANS non-vegetarian options.

    That's where Brighton Greens got it wrong a decade ago, when the Councillors tried to ban bacon butties for bin men.

    I think one area we need to look at is dogs off leads in public environments, which is one of those things that causes real problems despite "close control" being a legal requirement. "He's only being friendly" is what some dog owners always reliably say immediately before their hound bites you.

    I think one trigger will be in the needed debate about countryside access, and within that the many thousands of livestock killed by "pet" dogs every year. 15,000 or so sheep a year, for example, are killed by dog owners with their dogs (I use that form as the agency and responsibility is with the owner).
    That's an extraordinary statistic. Wow.

    The RSPCA/SSPCA should be shouting from the rooftops about that.
    I don't think there are firm figures for that - it's more likely some sort of extrapolation from surveys like this one.
    https://nationalsheep.org.uk/for-the-public/culture/sheep-worrying/survey-results/

    Seems somewhat on the high side to me, FWIW.
    But given there are over 30m sheep in the UK, it's not impossible.
    Here's my source.
    https://www.battens.co.uk/insights/sheep-worrying-and-the-law#:~:text=It is claimed that approximately,Injury need not be visible.

    I'll give you "up to" on that estimate, but it's not the highest one.

    Here's a number from the National Animal Welfare Trust, which quotes ~2500 in specific reports, which will be a fraction.
    https://www.nawt.org.uk/news/keeping-your-dog-and-livestock-safe/

    Here's a Scottish Govt doc quoting an estimate of 18,500 in 2015 (which includes other livestock) from the National Farmers Union insurance company, who should know:

    On the basis of insurance claims in 2015, NFU mutual estimated that 18,500 livestock (in the UK) had been killed by dogs, costing £1.1m (up 35% on the previous year).[6] This had risen further to £1.6m by 2017.

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/sheep-attacks-harassment-research/pages/2/

    !5,000 is in the ballpark, but data is not *that* extensive; I've occasionally gone looking for it over the last few years.

    We now have many more (maybe a quarter to a third more) dogs in the national pack than before COVID, so it is likely to be increasing.

    One problem is ignorance. "He ran them around a bit" is thought of as innocent, but can cause many deaths through stress etc.
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