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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,696

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283
    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 18
    FPT
    kinabalu said:



    Interesting piece in the NYT on how Trump has sidelined social conservatives in the Republican party:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/18/us/politics/trump-gop-platform-convention.html

    JD Vance though.
    He is a traditionalist "Latin Mass" Catholic. More Jacob Rees Mogg than evangelical hardliner. A very big difference
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,284

    .

    What's the betting that over the weekend Biden gets better and on Monday tells all the "establishment" Dems to fuck off?

    Zero. He is deteriorating, not slowly.
    Well, it isn't zero, is it?

    Monday is less than 76 hours away. And he essentially did it less than 2 weeks ago when Clooney et al tried it.
    You saw that as a superhuman bounce back?

    Different perspectives innit
    Wouldn't say that, but he did tell them to f off.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
  • FPT
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Driver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Washington Post reporting Obama has said Biden should stand aside. Other reports say Biden may announce he is doing so at the weekend.

    Strangely enough it might be the assassination attempt on Trump that has been the final straw that means Biden has to go.

    Biden and Trump are roughly the same age, and Trump is madder than Biden, but as despicable as he is the imagery of him with blood on his face fist raised contrasted with doddery, frail Biden . . . its not a good look for Biden.

    Totally agree.

    The current US media narrative is all about what a second Trump presidency will bring not whether he will win the election. That is now a given. The only way to change the narrative is to change the facts on the ground - and that means a new Democratic candidate. I also think that the triumphalism at the GOP Convention, the cultism and the unequivocal embrace of MAGA will worry a lot of Independents, women especially. There are things to exploit for a Trump opponent who is not Biden.

    If the Democrats replace Biden with Harris that is it, Trump will win comfortably and the GOP will win Congress too. There might be a case to replace Biden with a rust belt governor like Shapiro but Harris would be political suicide.

    She is an elitist coastal liberal who combines the ideology of Dukakis and Kerry with the common touch of Hillary Clinton and entitlement of Al Gore. She encapsulates all the losers who were Democratic presidential candidates in the last few decades in one
    Even if that's true, replacing Biden with anyone else than Harris will surely infuriate the identity-obsessed Democrat base. Unless they have another black woman handy?
    Far from being an elitist with the ideology of Dukakis, she lost in the nomination race last week by being too pro-Police and anti-crime at a time when the Democrats were concerned about Police brutality and on the side of Black Lives Matter etc

    HYUFD totally gets Harris wrong.
    Kerry was a prosecutor too, fat lot of good it did him. Harris has also been firmly woke as VP in her agenda. She would be the worst Democrat nominee since Kerry, maybe even Dukakis. Trump would easily beat her in the rustbelt
    Kerry was a decent candidate who ran Bush very close, despite Bush having had record popularity in recent times post-9/11.

    Name anything "woke" or "Dukakis" like about Harris. You're just spewing your own bile.
    Harris has backed reparations for slavery, transgender bathrooms, you name it
    And most importantly, abortion.

    If she can get women voting by that she will win.
    That's my hope. Women stop him winning. A suitable fate for a misogynist.
    This was the presumption prior to his dementia. The revocation of Roe vs Wade led to a lot of pro-choice people voting against Trump and that and his crimes led to a lot of independents voting against Trump. Those factors were big and would have made Biden a shoo-in in 2024. But his dementia has broken all that and if he remains in place Biden will lose. I think that even given Harris's known deficiencies she would reattract the prochoice and independents and bring herself back into play.
    Such a terrible thing to allow elected legislatures to decide the matter rather than unelected judges creatively interpreting a clause in a 200 year old constitution written by puritans with religious views much like the DUP who intended the clause in the constitution to offer no such right and would have been outraged to the level of apoplexy at the mere suggestion of it.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 18
    FPT @RochdalePioneers said:
    What is it about big corporate purchasing departments? Kit is specced by people who will never use them. Or meet the people who do use them!

    Big client requires that I use one of their machines to access SAP which the current phase of the project I’m working on requires. So they ship me a laptop. From Spain. With a Spanish language keyboard.

    Had to present a slide deck to corporate team so will use the thing (diplomacy - otherwise it’s purely for SAP and my company’s MacBook does the heavy lifting).

    We’ll say nothing about the crippled Windows build they have installed on it. And poke a finger at a matte screen with about 5 nits of brightness. Which doesn’t matter if it’s docked. As they are in Madrid or Lyon. But less useful in the field. Which anywhere not in an office is…


    I was once informed by a supply chain bod that they wouldn't order the cable I had requested because they were now going to order a cheaper, supposedly identical cable from an alternative supplier.

    I said that this was fine, but they should realise that by changing the design they were now under the construction, design and management regulations deemed the designer, and should, for example this alternative cable not meet the clients bespoke and onerous fire (combustability) requirements, their life would get very interesting in the Chinese Proverb sense.

    The U turn came within the hour.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,526

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    Nah, she's lined up for Mastermind. "No, the answer is two!", "I know!!!"
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,547

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,650

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    That's going to create a massive whole in the schedule...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I confess this scandal bemuses me. I thought it was intended as BBC weekend light entertainment fluff. What's at stake that's so important in it? It's like finding out Countdown is so serious all the contestants are doping.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,284
    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,676

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    But politicians on Strictly are washed-up has-beens in need of a redemption arc as a national treasure.

    Why on earth would our former PM want one of those?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,061
    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    Fuck em and the horse they rode in on.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
  • SteveSSteveS Posts: 156

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I confess this scandal bemuses me. I thought it was intended as BBC weekend light entertainment fluff. What's at stake that's so important in it? It's like finding out Countdown is so serious all the contestants are doping.
    Or indeed that Countdown is French…
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?

    While I was never a big fan, the early Michael Jackson of the Jackson 5 was incredible; he took America by storm.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    But politicians on Strictly are washed-up has-beens in need of a redemption arc as a national treasure.

    Why on earth would our former PM want one of those?
    Bragging rights versus Fucker Carlson, who tanked early as a contestant on the US version "Dancing With the Stars".
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,789

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    Strictly Cum Dancing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,061
    The Czechs buy Korean.

    Czech order opens gates for more Korean nuclear plant exports to Europe
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=378911
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,039

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,547

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,696
    edited July 18
    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,197

    Off topic: What is it about big corporate purchasing departments? Kit is specced by people who will never use them. Or meet the people who do use them!

    Big client requires that I use one of their machines to access SAP which the current phase of the project I’m working on requires. So they ship me a laptop. From Spain. With a Spanish language keyboard.

    Had to present a slide deck to corporate team so will use the thing (diplomacy - otherwise it’s purely for SAP and my company’s MacBook does the heavy lifting).

    We’ll say nothing about the crippled Windows build they have installed on it. And poke a finger at a matte screen with about 5 nits of brightness. Which doesn’t matter if it’s docked. As they are in Madrid or Lyon. But less useful in the field. Which anywhere not in an office is…

    I've been a Mac user for 35 years. Windows has, indirectly, made me a small fortune. I recall the agony of a fellow commuter when he opened his PC to add the finishing touches to an important presentation, only for Bill Gates to brick his laptop for the entire journey by installing an obligatory upgrade.
    Yes, corporate Windows is very good at booting me out of sessions with no option to delay.

    I genuinely don’t get Windows. Then again I’ve been increasingly of that mindset for years
    You might have the ability to restrict patching times; otherwise it is down to your corporate IT department.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,547

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    That would be ideal to be honest. Because I don’t think Harris can beat Trump, they have to take a risk and cast the net wider
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?

    What first repelled you from the creepy paedophile?
  • tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Pro celebrity dancing involved some very competent and driven dancers paired with celebrities with egos so big their heads won't fit through the door, and some of them fell out. Who'd have thought it!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,197
    Whitehall appointments vetting system ‘bust and needs fixing’ – watchdog
    Acoba chairman Lord Pickles said there could be ‘no credibility’ in a process that has ‘no demonstrable consequences’ for rule-breaking.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-government-boris-johnson-whitehall-conservative-b1171589.html
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    That would be ideal to be honest. Because I don’t think Harris can beat Trump, they have to take a risk and cast the net wider
    That is NOT what I said or meant. Seeing as how the sole realistic Democratic alternative to Biden as POTUS is Harris.

    Ain't gonna any kind of last-minute multi-candidate contest for the nomination.

    It's Joe OR Kamala. As for VP if KH is nominated for POTUS, that's an open question.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    Whitehall appointments vetting system ‘bust and needs fixing’ – watchdog
    Acoba chairman Lord Pickles said there could be ‘no credibility’ in a process that has ‘no demonstrable consequences’ for rule-breaking.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-government-boris-johnson-whitehall-conservative-b1171589.html

    Eric Pickles is one example why politicos should NOT count on fellow party stalwarts who take on new roles, being/remaining party shills.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,039

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    His corpse needs propped up till Nov 5, because the fiction has to be he was absolutely fine till he came over all queer and decided not to stand.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,789

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Sounds typically Beeb. See also, Savile, DLT, Rolf Harris. Remind me again why I have to pay a license fee?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,697
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    Fuck em and the horse they rode in on.

    It should tell people something that Trump is so desperate to avoid a contest against Harris that he is doing everything he can to shore up the position of the man who is supposedly his chief opponent.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,197

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    The Rest is Entertainment (a podcast) looked at politicians and reality shows lately, and reckoned Gove did not want to do Strictly, and they'd not be interested in most of the others.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg already has a fly on the wall series for Discovery Plus, as well as his GBNews show. He is also very rich so does not need to do anything for the money.
    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/i-think-i-need-a-lie-down-meet-the-moggs-reality-series-to-show-family-life-of-jacob-rees-mogg-3773754
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,789
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Stuart Campbell on Wings has a really fine turn of phrase. This is his commentary on the latest Civic Charter idea for independence:

    "We could spend several thousand words pulling apart all the other absurd nonsense in the document, pointing out staggeringly obvious flaws like pinning the whole plan on support for the SNP, which is currently electoral toxic waste leaking out of the sewers of a burning nuclear power station. But why bother when even the most basic building blocks are made out of poorly-set jelly?

    Wings is, and all Yes supporters should be, absolutely grossly insulted by this mind-bogglingly cretinous idea. It isn’t just stupid, it’s offensively, galactically stupid.

    It’s laughing openly in your face. It’s pissing in your pocket and telling you it’s raining. It’s the dust from the dregs of the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, a hopefully-last desperate attempt at grifting from a “grassroots” organisation that struggled to put 1500 people on the streets on a nice sunny day this April even when led by the First Minister and with the full backing of the Scottish Government. "

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/daydream-nation/#more-145934

    I think I have him down as an undecided.

    Unlike the PB Yoons I’ve not been keeping up with Wings’ ‘journey’, but he’s a supporter of Alba and Salmond in’t he? Where does he think they are on the electoral toxic waste leaking out of the sewers of a burning nuclear power station scale?
    Not sure grifting should be in his invective armoury either.
    In test match parlance Alba have indeed barely troubled the scorers to date. Not sure what you mean about the grifting though.
    There seem to be enough folk on the Wings..er..wing to make substantial donations to his regular ‘crowdfunders’, just not enough to get any politicians on that wing elected.

    I get that Wings’ schtick always involved a deal of howling into the void but that seems to be all there is now. Even his much desired aim of the downfall of Sturgeon was initiated by the Zelig of Scotpol Sean Clerkin, so he can’t even claim that.
    I don't really get where the BTLs on Wings are coming from although they can provide a great deal of unintentional amusement as well as the odd piece of wit. The current thinking seems to be that the SNP are simply not serious about independence being far more interested in their sinecures, salaries and positions and that it is necessary to destroy the SNP in the hope that something better arises from the ashes.

    This seems to me to be somewhat optimistic on a whole series of levels and not entirely connected with the world we live in. But hey, they are better at attacking the SNP than anyone else.
    I hear that David Davis has again used parliamentary privilege in favour of Alex Salmond. This time he has named Liz Lloyd as the person who leaked the Salmond allegations to the Daily Record.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,197
    edited July 18

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,609
    a
    Nigelb said:

    The Czechs buy Korean.

    Czech order opens gates for more Korean nuclear plant exports to Europe
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=378911

    It’s an interesting design. One little feature - due to the layout, you can pull fuel rods while in full operation add new ones.

    So you could run 95% of the reactor for efficiency and power, and in the other 5% swap the fuel rods out frequently…..
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
    Yeah, what the heck DOES "Strictly Come Dancing" mean anyway?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,497
    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,557
    edited July 18

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    That would be ideal to be honest. Because I don’t think Harris can beat Trump, they have to take a risk and cast the net wider
    That is NOT what I said or meant. Seeing as how the sole realistic Democratic alternative to Biden as POTUS is Harris.

    Ain't gonna any kind of last-minute multi-candidate contest for the nomination.

    It's Joe OR Kamala. As for VP if KH is nominated for POTUS, that's an open question.
    I think this is probably true, but also it doesn't need to be true. The wall is in people's heads and it would evaporate as soon as Joe Biden walked through it.

    If he just made an announcement like "I am standing down and to give us the best chance against Trump I will ask my delegates to nominate $POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR" that would be that and $POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR would be the nominee.

    Maybe 3 or 4 pro-Kamala accounts on blue sky would be mad but Kamala herself would have to fall in line to avoid being blamed if $POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR lost. The GOP would say shit about taking Black people for granted (if the replacement wasn't Black) but it's not at all obvious that the broader electorate of Black voters are that bothered about wanting the president to be Black. Generally Black Dem primary voters seem to vote for presidential candidates they think will win.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,132

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
    Yeah, what the heck DOES "Strictly Come Dancing" mean anyway?
    Refers to the old non-celebrity show "Come Dancing"* and the ballroom dancing film "Strictly Ballroom". Mashed together in a way that sounds like it might be a play on words, but isn't.

    *Punchline to the schoolboy joke "what's white and wiggles across the floor?"
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
    Yeah, what the heck DOES "Strictly Come Dancing" mean anyway?
    It's a mashup of strictly ballroom and come dancing I think. The British are at their most twatty when congratulating themselves on the eccentricity of arseholish telly programs about fuckiing baking and waltzing and stuff
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,376

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
    Yeah, what the heck DOES "Strictly Come Dancing" mean anyway?
    I don’t watch but I know this. It’s a mash up of the ancient tv programme “Come Dancing” which was some ballroom dancing competition on a Saturday night on tv and a great Australian film called “Strictly Ballroom” about very competitive ballroom dancing.

    Ultimately it’s still a childhood joke

    “What’s white, sticky and wriggles across the floor?

    Cum Dancing”

  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,132

    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?

    This Indie/Metal elitist doesn't consider the view that famous-pop-entertainer-was-largely-insubstantial to be THAT controversial.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,676

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    That would be ideal to be honest. Because I don’t think Harris can beat Trump, they have to take a risk and cast the net wider
    That is NOT what I said or meant. Seeing as how the sole realistic Democratic alternative to Biden as POTUS is Harris.

    Ain't gonna any kind of last-minute multi-candidate contest for the nomination.

    It's Joe OR Kamala. As for VP if KH is nominated for POTUS, that's an open question.
    Presumably the smart thing would be to go for a Rust Belt Governor. However, whatever happens, the smarter thing to do will be to wait until Trump has unloaded his latest round of bile without him knowing who he has to insult.

    Even if a decision has been taken, I wouldn't be making it public just yet. What's to be gained by doing so?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,307

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    The Rest is Entertainment (a podcast) looked at politicians and reality shows lately, and reckoned Gove did not want to do Strictly, and they'd not be interested in most of the others.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg already has a fly on the wall series for Discovery Plus, as well as his GBNews show. He is also very rich so does not need to do anything for the money.
    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/i-think-i-need-a-lie-down-meet-the-moggs-reality-series-to-show-family-life-of-jacob-rees-mogg-3773754
    In other news, Richi Sunak will not be starring in Great Railway Journeys.
    Instead, RS will host an exciting new series - "Great Helicopter Journeys".
    I think @Richard_Tyndall has probably taken more helicopter journeys than the rest of PB put together.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,132
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,376
    I like to think that somewhere in Seattle a man is sitting there complete in life having his lifelong query about why there is a tv show called “Strictly come dancing” answered in triplicate.

    Go well now SSI in the knowledge you were seeking. There is nothing else you need from us.

  • boulay said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
    Yeah, what the heck DOES "Strictly Come Dancing" mean anyway?
    I don’t watch but I know this. It’s a mash up of the ancient tv programme “Come Dancing” which was some ballroom dancing competition on a Saturday night on tv and a great Australian film called “Strictly Ballroom” about very competitive ballroom dancing.

    Ultimately it’s still a childhood joke

    “What’s white, sticky and wriggles across the floor?

    Cum Dancing”

    I thought the answer to that question was "one of our esteemed contributors socks"
  • rcs1000 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    The Rest is Entertainment (a podcast) looked at politicians and reality shows lately, and reckoned Gove did not want to do Strictly, and they'd not be interested in most of the others.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg already has a fly on the wall series for Discovery Plus, as well as his GBNews show. He is also very rich so does not need to do anything for the money.
    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/i-think-i-need-a-lie-down-meet-the-moggs-reality-series-to-show-family-life-of-jacob-rees-mogg-3773754
    In other news, Richi Sunak will not be starring in Great Railway Journeys.
    Instead, RS will host an exciting new series - "Great Helicopter Journeys".
    I think @Richard_Tyndall has probably taken more helicopter journeys than the rest of PB put together.
    To be fair, his are virtually unavoidable, short of going there on a boat then being winched off it to a great height.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,696
    edited July 18
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

    He wasn't that safe. From 2009

    Strictly Come Dancing was at the centre of a race row after it emerged that Anton Du Beke called his dancing partner a "Paki".

    The dancer issued an apology after the News of the World revealed he had used the offensive term to describe the actor Laila Rouass, his partner on the BBC show.

    Du Beke reportedly said Rouass, who is mixed race, "looked like a Paki" after she turned up to a rehearsal with a spray tan. Rouass is said to have stormed out of the rehearsal two weeks ago.

    Du Beke said: "I must say immediately and categorically that I am not a racist and that I do not use racist language. "During the course of rehearsals Laila and I have exchanged a great deal of banter entirely in jest, and two weeks ago there was an occasion when this term was used between the two of us.

    "There was no racist intent whatsoever but I accept that it is a term which causes offence and I regret my use of it, which was done without thought or consideration of how others would react.

    "I apologise unreservedly for any offence my actions might have caused."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/oct/05/strictly-come-dancing-race

    I also forgave Anton because he gave us the most memorable dance in the history of Strictly and I've seen Ed Balls teabagging Katya Jones on this show.

    14 years on and I remember the pasodoble he did with Ann Widdecombe.

    (2 mins in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 18
    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Mainly peaceful demonstrations. Allegedly involving a councillor.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,452

    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?

    OK, he's dead, and his reputation is no longer pristine, so you can probably get away with that.

    Try saying that about **y*o* *w**t and see what happens...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,197
    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Social workers went to remove children from a Romanian (probably) family and it escalated from there.
    https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/statement-large-police-presence-harehills-leeds
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 18
    Scott_xP said:

    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?

    OK, he's dead, and his reputation is no longer pristine, so you can probably get away with that.

    Michael Jacksons reputation no longer pristine? Its about as pristine as Jimmy Savilles.

    Both are dead, and remain dead.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

    He wasn't that safe. From 2009

    Strictly Come Dancing was at the centre of a race row after it emerged that Anton Du Beke called his dancing partner a "Paki".

    The dancer issued an apology after the News of the World revealed he had used the offensive term to describe the actor Laila Rouass, his partner on the BBC show.

    Du Beke reportedly said Rouass, who is mixed race, "looked like a Paki" after she turned up to a rehearsal with a spray tan. Rouass is said to have stormed out of the rehearsal two weeks ago.

    Du Beke said: "I must say immediately and categorically that I am not a racist and that I do not use racist language. "During the course of rehearsals Laila and I have exchanged a great deal of banter entirely in jest, and two weeks ago there was an occasion when this term was used between the two of us.

    "There was no racist intent whatsoever but I accept that it is a term which causes offence and I regret my use of it, which was done without thought or consideration of how others would react.

    "I apologise unreservedly for any offence my actions might have caused."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/oct/05/strictly-come-dancing-race

    I also forgave Anton because he gave us the most memorable dance in the history of Strictly and I've seen Ed Balls teabagging Katya Jones on this show.

    14 years on and I remember the pasodoble he did with Ann Widdecombe.

    (2 mins in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
    You tolerate that level of creepy bullshit but have reservations about Good King Charles? Would you revise your republican stance if Camilla went on I'm A Celebrity?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,649

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    If he pulls out, he’s neither nominee nor next president, so all my lays on that side of the contest pay out. Plus the lays that Harris won’t be the VP nominee are likely to pay out too. The lays on Trump not being the nominee at now lost, but there’s still a decent chance he won’t be next president. So far, so good.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    That would be ideal to be honest. Because I don’t think Harris can beat Trump, they have to take a risk and cast the net wider
    That is NOT what I said or meant. Seeing as how the sole realistic Democratic alternative to Biden as POTUS is Harris.

    Ain't gonna any kind of last-minute multi-candidate contest for the nomination.

    It's Joe OR Kamala. As for VP if KH is nominated for POTUS, that's an open question.
    I think this is probably true, but also it doesn't need to be true. The wall is in people's heads and it would evaporate as soon as Joe Biden walked through it.

    If he just made an announcement like "I am standing down and to give us the best chance against Trump I will ask my delegates to nominate $POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR" that would be that and $POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR would be the nominee.

    Maybe 3 or 4 pro-Kamala accounts on blue sky would be mad but Kamala herself would have to fall in line to avoid being blamed if $POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR lost. The GOP would say shit about taking Black people for granted (if the replacement wasn't Black) but it's not at all obvious that the broader electorate of Black voters are that bothered about wanting the president to be Black. Generally Black Dem primary voters seem to vote for presidential candidates they think will win.
    With due respect, think your surmise that Black voter would NOT be bothered IF Kamala Harris was passed over; methinks that's a damn-sight riskier than keeping OR ditching Joe Biden.

    There's a reason beyond just making history, behind JB's original pledge to pick an African American woman. The "woman" part appealed to a sizable share of women voters, especially Democrats (plus WAS historic); the "Black" part appealed to an even larger share of African American women AND men.

    Further note that it was the BLACK voters of South Carolina who saved Biden in early 2020 with Democratic voters in subsequent primaries (including myself) essentially ratifying their decision.

    Also note that elected & pledged Joe Biden delegates & alternates, are effectively Biden-Harris delegates, seeing as how his entire campaign, including massive advertising on plethora of media, has been predicated on re-electing Biden AND Harris as a team.

    Personally think that EITHER Biden OR Harris can beat Trump this November; they could also both lose. But what I think is incontrovertible, is that Democrats can NOT win IF Black turnout falls from (even) 2020 levels. NOT the White House, nor Congress, or some key state races for Governor, legislature and other offices.

    BTW, is "$POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR" an actual person?
  • Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Social workers went to remove children from a Romanian (probably) family and it escalated from there.
    https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/statement-large-police-presence-harehills-leeds
    Romanian or Roma Romanian?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,696

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

    He wasn't that safe. From 2009

    Strictly Come Dancing was at the centre of a race row after it emerged that Anton Du Beke called his dancing partner a "Paki".

    The dancer issued an apology after the News of the World revealed he had used the offensive term to describe the actor Laila Rouass, his partner on the BBC show.

    Du Beke reportedly said Rouass, who is mixed race, "looked like a Paki" after she turned up to a rehearsal with a spray tan. Rouass is said to have stormed out of the rehearsal two weeks ago.

    Du Beke said: "I must say immediately and categorically that I am not a racist and that I do not use racist language. "During the course of rehearsals Laila and I have exchanged a great deal of banter entirely in jest, and two weeks ago there was an occasion when this term was used between the two of us.

    "There was no racist intent whatsoever but I accept that it is a term which causes offence and I regret my use of it, which was done without thought or consideration of how others would react.

    "I apologise unreservedly for any offence my actions might have caused."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/oct/05/strictly-come-dancing-race

    I also forgave Anton because he gave us the most memorable dance in the history of Strictly and I've seen Ed Balls teabagging Katya Jones on this show.

    14 years on and I remember the pasodoble he did with Ann Widdecombe.

    (2 mins in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
    You tolerate that level of creepy bullshit but have reservations about Good King Charles? Would you revise your republican stance if Camilla went on I'm A Celebrity?
    I detest shows like I'm A Celebrity, I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    IanB2 said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico679 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump campaign chief accuses Democrats of ‘attempted coup’ against Biden"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-rnc-day-four-jd-vance-republicans-us-politics

    They want to face Biden so are starting this hysterical talk about a coup.
    Part of the problem for Democrats who want to have someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket, is that he won a SUPER-majority of pledged delegates to Democratic National Convention.

    Now the convention is functionally unbound by such pledges, it has collective power to nominate someone else even if Biden objects.

    HOWEVER, unless he steps down as nominee of his own volition (sorta) THEN the resemblance to a political coup becomes VERY strong, certainly for many voters, and NOT all of them on the Trump GOP payroll.
    Seems to me that Biden only goes if he goes voluntarily. The Democrats know that anything else would be catastrophic.
    That’s bollocks I’m afraid unless you have a very rigid interpretation of the world “voluntarily”. His superpac cashflow is soon going to be as dry [insert TSE rude joke]. The game is done. He still has power in that he can decide if it’s Harris or AN Other that replaces him, by deciding whether to stand down immediately (ergo Harris) or Jan (open convention).

    Surely no one is falling for “Isolating with covid” at this point.
    IF Biden survives as nominee, his super-PAC cashflow will NOT dry up. Some donors might take a walk, but likely replaced by others who will reckon that beating Trump is a greater goal than beating up on Biden.
    There’s a lot of time left before he’s confirmed at the convention. I just can’t see how it’s feasible. At least I hope and pray so. Let’s at least have a race in Nov rather than a coronation.
    I said "IF" Biden is re-nominated. But who(m)ever is the Democratic nominee, they will be well-funded.
    Quite a game of bluff.

    “We’re freezing these donations until you step down”.

    “I’m not stepping down”.

    “What?”

    “Say what one more time, I dare you, I double dare you mother fucker”.

    No, the old man is done. Presumably it’s Harris with the presidential seal behind her for a few months. Let’s wait and see!
    Whether or not Biden steps down as nominee, do NOT bet the farm that he'll resign as POTUS.
    If he pulls out, he’s neither nominee nor next president, so all my lays on that side of the contest pay out. Plus the lays that Harris won’t be the VP nominee are likely to pay out too. The lays on Trump not being the nominee at now lost, but there’s still a decent chance he won’t be next president. So far, so good.
    Some double negatives in there
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    The Rest is Entertainment (a podcast) looked at politicians and reality shows lately, and reckoned Gove did not want to do Strictly, and they'd not be interested in most of the others.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg already has a fly on the wall series for Discovery Plus, as well as his GBNews show. He is also very rich so does not need to do anything for the money.
    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/i-think-i-need-a-lie-down-meet-the-moggs-reality-series-to-show-family-life-of-jacob-rees-mogg-3773754
    In other news, Richi Sunak will not be starring in Great Railway Journeys.
    Instead, RS will host an exciting new series - "Great Helicopter Journeys".
    Am semi-serious. Just imagine Rishi swooping down (with or without whirly-bird) over exotic destinations from the Grand Canyon and Victoria Falls to the Wookey Hole!
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

    He wasn't that safe. From 2009

    Strictly Come Dancing was at the centre of a race row after it emerged that Anton Du Beke called his dancing partner a "Paki".

    The dancer issued an apology after the News of the World revealed he had used the offensive term to describe the actor Laila Rouass, his partner on the BBC show.

    Du Beke reportedly said Rouass, who is mixed race, "looked like a Paki" after she turned up to a rehearsal with a spray tan. Rouass is said to have stormed out of the rehearsal two weeks ago.

    Du Beke said: "I must say immediately and categorically that I am not a racist and that I do not use racist language. "During the course of rehearsals Laila and I have exchanged a great deal of banter entirely in jest, and two weeks ago there was an occasion when this term was used between the two of us.

    "There was no racist intent whatsoever but I accept that it is a term which causes offence and I regret my use of it, which was done without thought or consideration of how others would react.

    "I apologise unreservedly for any offence my actions might have caused."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/oct/05/strictly-come-dancing-race

    I also forgave Anton because he gave us the most memorable dance in the history of Strictly and I've seen Ed Balls teabagging Katya Jones on this show.

    14 years on and I remember the pasodoble he did with Ann Widdecombe.

    (2 mins in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
    You tolerate that level of creepy bullshit but have reservations about Good King Charles? Would you revise your republican stance if Camilla went on I'm A Celebrity?
    I detest shows like I'm A Celebrity, I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.
    I have never watched a microsecond of it, nor of strictly, but I am confident they are level pegging as grockle shite.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    Scott_xP said:

    OK, controversial view: Michael Jackson was an amazing dancer, and real showman, but he didn't actually write than many songs and outside a few, they weren't actually that good?

    Style over substance? King of Pop just wasn't that good?

    OK, he's dead, and his reputation is no longer pristine, so you can probably get away with that.

    Try saying that about **y*o* *w**t and see what happens...
    Olyvor Twist?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,514
    edited July 18
    Newsnight leading on Biden, unsurprisingly.

    Nick Bryant: effectively saying that Biden will stand down from race.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

    He wasn't that safe. From 2009

    Strictly Come Dancing was at the centre of a race row after it emerged that Anton Du Beke called his dancing partner a "Paki".

    The dancer issued an apology after the News of the World revealed he had used the offensive term to describe the actor Laila Rouass, his partner on the BBC show.

    Du Beke reportedly said Rouass, who is mixed race, "looked like a Paki" after she turned up to a rehearsal with a spray tan. Rouass is said to have stormed out of the rehearsal two weeks ago.

    Du Beke said: "I must say immediately and categorically that I am not a racist and that I do not use racist language. "During the course of rehearsals Laila and I have exchanged a great deal of banter entirely in jest, and two weeks ago there was an occasion when this term was used between the two of us.

    "There was no racist intent whatsoever but I accept that it is a term which causes offence and I regret my use of it, which was done without thought or consideration of how others would react.

    "I apologise unreservedly for any offence my actions might have caused."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/oct/05/strictly-come-dancing-race

    I also forgave Anton because he gave us the most memorable dance in the history of Strictly and I've seen Ed Balls teabagging Katya Jones on this show.

    14 years on and I remember the pasodoble he did with Ann Widdecombe.

    (2 mins in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
    You tolerate that level of creepy bullshit but have reservations about Good King Charles? Would you revise your republican stance if Camilla went on I'm A Celebrity?
    I detest shows like I'm A Celebrity, I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.
    PBers and others (but especially PBers) would have been well-advised to watch the first seasons of "The Apprentice" American-style staring Donald Trump.

    Because it gave plethora of insightful insights into DJT's future political appeal AND success.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Mainly peaceful demonstrations. Allegedly involving a councillor.
    I must have imagined the burning bus and police car then

    Oh and the police having to beat a retreat
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,251
    I detest shows like Strictly. I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,654
    Wow. Just wow. Back from an evening at the local pub and it all seems to have come to a head on Biden.

    Fingers crossed the Dems now push this and finish the job.

    Biden is too old and that is the end of it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    Unfortunate because the format has been exported around the world under the name Dancing with the Stars (since Strictly Come Dancing combines two references that would mean nothing to overseas viewers).
    Yeah, what the heck DOES "Strictly Come Dancing" mean anyway?
    Truss ought to a shoo-in for anything with Strictly in the title.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    rcs1000 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    The Rest is Entertainment (a podcast) looked at politicians and reality shows lately, and reckoned Gove did not want to do Strictly, and they'd not be interested in most of the others.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg already has a fly on the wall series for Discovery Plus, as well as his GBNews show. He is also very rich so does not need to do anything for the money.
    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/i-think-i-need-a-lie-down-meet-the-moggs-reality-series-to-show-family-life-of-jacob-rees-mogg-3773754
    In other news, Richi Sunak will not be starring in Great Railway Journeys.
    Instead, RS will host an exciting new series - "Great Helicopter Journeys".
    I think @Richard_Tyndall has probably taken more helicopter journeys than the rest of PB put together.
    I've made two.

    Two too many.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Floater said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Mainly peaceful demonstrations. Allegedly involving a councillor.
    I must have imagined the burning bus and police car then

    Oh and the police having to beat a retreat
    I think there's a irony fail here
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,654
    Biden now 20. Yes 20. To be in WH next February.

    Incredible.
  • Harehill, Leeds

    Apparently a bus on fire and now houses on fire, police seem to have withdrawn.

    This is starting to look Brixton 1981esque

    https://x.com/chesterkopagain/status/1814049446461575547?t=h8tUfp-ulaJ2ABvPy06Y6g&s=19
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283
    boulay said:

    I like to think that somewhere in Seattle a man is sitting there complete in life having his lifelong query about why there is a tv show called “Strictly come dancing” answered in triplicate.

    Go well now SSI in the knowledge you were seeking. There is nothing else you need from us.

    While I pride myself of reasonable perception, do NOT claim to have queried the mystic meaning of SCD decades before the show aired on UKer TV.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    I detest shows like Strictly. I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.

    I detest posts like this. I am proud to say I haven't read a single word of it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,900

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    I’ve not followed this story - is it that bad? No strictly could lead to a lot of anger from the tax payers.

    Very bad.

    Started off with a few people criticising one dancer's methods as intense/stressful/bullying who was dropped from the show.

    Then over the weekend another dancer was sacked for kicking his celebrity partner.

    Now there's a third dancer under investigation.

    People like Richard Coles are talking about the dark heart of Strictly, there's a belief this is the tip of the iceberg as the Beeb knew about the second dancer last year and let it blow over and kept him on for this year's show.
    I wonder if this explains why Anton Du Beke always seemed to get duff partners. A safe pair of hands who wouldn’t kick off.

    He wasn't that safe. From 2009

    Strictly Come Dancing was at the centre of a race row after it emerged that Anton Du Beke called his dancing partner a "Paki".

    The dancer issued an apology after the News of the World revealed he had used the offensive term to describe the actor Laila Rouass, his partner on the BBC show.

    Du Beke reportedly said Rouass, who is mixed race, "looked like a Paki" after she turned up to a rehearsal with a spray tan. Rouass is said to have stormed out of the rehearsal two weeks ago.

    Du Beke said: "I must say immediately and categorically that I am not a racist and that I do not use racist language. "During the course of rehearsals Laila and I have exchanged a great deal of banter entirely in jest, and two weeks ago there was an occasion when this term was used between the two of us.

    "There was no racist intent whatsoever but I accept that it is a term which causes offence and I regret my use of it, which was done without thought or consideration of how others would react.

    "I apologise unreservedly for any offence my actions might have caused."


    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/oct/05/strictly-come-dancing-race

    I also forgave Anton because he gave us the most memorable dance in the history of Strictly and I've seen Ed Balls teabagging Katya Jones on this show.

    14 years on and I remember the pasodoble he did with Ann Widdecombe.

    (2 mins in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
    You tolerate that level of creepy bullshit but have reservations about Good King Charles? Would you revise your republican stance if Camilla went on I'm A Celebrity?
    I detest shows like I'm A Celebrity, I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.
    I have never watched a microsecond of it, nor of strictly, but I am confident they are level pegging as grockle shite.
    I can't stand I'm a Celebrity because of its cruelty to animals and people, but Mrs Foxy is a Strictly fan, so I have gradually been tucked in over the years. It's camp fun, but perhaps reaching its sell by date.

    Anyone who has had contact with dance theatre knows that far from being luvvies it is brutal and cut-throat behind the scenes, full of body shaming, bullying and patronage. I think probably Strictly is no worse than other entertainment shows.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,514

    I detest shows like Strictly. I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.

    I detest posts like this. I am proud to say I haven't read a single word of it.
    Except you have in order to reply to it.
  • Floater said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Mainly peaceful demonstrations. Allegedly involving a councillor.
    I must have imagined the burning bus and police car then

    Oh and the police having to beat a retreat
    Oh dear, I think you missed the ironic significance of that phrase.


    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-panned-for-on-air-graphic-reading-fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-protest-in-front-of-kenosha-fire
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,654
    People Close to Biden Say He Appears to Accept He May Have to Leave the Race

    NY Times breaking
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,514

    People Close to Biden Say He Appears to Accept He May Have to Leave the Race

    NY Times breaking

    You read it here first on PB a few hours ago.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    People Close to Biden Say He Appears to Accept He May Have to Leave the Race

    NY Times breaking

    Tolled ewe sew
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,279

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Reckon that Liz Truss would be the show's preferred recruit. Or maybe SRJ-M?
    The Rest is Entertainment (a podcast) looked at politicians and reality shows lately, and reckoned Gove did not want to do Strictly, and they'd not be interested in most of the others.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg already has a fly on the wall series for Discovery Plus, as well as his GBNews show. He is also very rich so does not need to do anything for the money.
    https://www.nme.com/news/tv/i-think-i-need-a-lie-down-meet-the-moggs-reality-series-to-show-family-life-of-jacob-rees-mogg-3773754
    In other news, Richi Sunak will not be starring in Great Railway Journeys.
    Instead, RS will host an exciting new series - "Great Helicopter Journeys".
    Am semi-serious. Just imagine Rishi swooping down (with or without whirly-bird) over exotic destinations from the Grand Canyon and Victoria Falls to the Wookey Hole!
    Just get him some tighty whitey chinos and he's the next Anneka Rice.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Andy_JS said:

    I detest shows like Strictly. I am proud to say I have never watched a full episode.

    I detest posts like this. I am proud to say I haven't read a single word of it.
    Except you have in order to reply to it.
    You don't do jokes, do you?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,577

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like it's kicking off in Harehill, Leeds.

    Any insight why?
    Social workers went to remove children from a Romanian (probably) family and it escalated from there.
    https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/statement-large-police-presence-harehills-leeds
    Any reason why you think it's probably a Romanian family?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,514
    edited July 18
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,452
    @MarkHalperin
    BREAKING NEWS: Multiples sources outline the apparent state of play on Biden at this time:

    * plans to announce withdrawal from nomination as early as this weekend, with Sunday most likely

    * Jon Meacham polishing up remarks

    * Biden with NOT resign the presidency

    * Biden will NOT endorse Harris

    * open convention with Harris and about 3 others

    * super delegates will not be allowed to vote on 1st ballot

    * Harris is vetting at least four possible running mates, including Andy Beshear and possibly Shapiro

    https://x.com/MarkHalperin/status/1814049842790006837
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,577
    So do we get a competitive convention and has Whitmer definitely ruled herself out?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,003
    edited July 18

    So, when is Govey going on Strictly then?

    Strictly is likely to get paused or cancelled due to the bullying/abuse scandal.
    To think BBC executives were once worried about the dancers and celebs having affairs... Now they're worried the dancers are beating up the celebs.

    How times change. Unbelievable, lol...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,654
    The clips newsnight are showing of Biden are dire for him.

    He can barely raise his arm.

    FFS - end this.

    Trump wants Biden.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,003
    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkHalperin
    BREAKING NEWS: Multiples sources outline the apparent state of play on Biden at this time:

    * plans to announce withdrawal from nomination as early as this weekend, with Sunday most likely

    * Jon Meacham polishing up remarks

    * Biden with NOT resign the presidency

    * Biden will NOT endorse Harris

    * open convention with Harris and about 3 others

    * super delegates will not be allowed to vote on 1st ballot

    * Harris is vetting at least four possible running mates, including Andy Beshear and possibly Shapiro

    https://x.com/MarkHalperin/status/1814049842790006837


    Joe carries on as POTUS until January 2025 then?

    They're not as ruthless dispatching their Presidents as we are our Prime Ministers are they 😂
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,283

    So do we get a competitive convention and has Whitmer definitely ruled herself out?

    No and No.

    Personally think that Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (re-elected in 2022) would be best choice for Kamala Harris's running mate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,654

    So do we get a competitive convention and has Whitmer definitely ruled herself out?

    No and No.

    Personally think that Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (re-elected in 2022) would be best choice for Kamala Harris's running mate.
    Vice versa??
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,452
    Not entirely their fault, but also not entirely wrong...

    @stuartpstevens

    If reports prove accurate, Republicans will have made history by spending an entire convention attacking a candidate not in the race.

    Genius, guys. Just genius.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,557
    edited July 18


    With due respect, think your surmise that Black voter would NOT be bothered IF Kamala Harris was passed over; methinks that's a damn-sight riskier than keeping OR ditching Joe Biden.

    There's a reason beyond just making history, behind JB's original pledge to pick an African American woman. The "woman" part appealed to a sizable share of women voters, especially Democrats (plus WAS historic); the "Black" part appealed to an even larger share of African American women AND men.

    Further note that it was the BLACK voters of South Carolina who saved Biden in early 2020 with Democratic voters in subsequent primaries (including myself) essentially ratifying their decision.

    This is true, but I think that it's interesting that Jim Clyburn, who seems to be the person who requested that Joe pick a Black woman in the first place, seems to have endorsed a mini-primary rather than a Kamala coronation.


    Also note that elected & pledged Joe Biden delegates & alternates, are effectively Biden-Harris delegates, seeing as how his entire campaign, including massive advertising on plethora of media, has been predicated on re-electing Biden AND Harris as a team.

    The delegates are effectively Biden-Harris delegates until Biden tells them to be Somebody-Else delegates. At that point if it's not bonkers they'll go along with it.

    His media spending has been premised on reelecting Biden, unfortunately whatever message they've been spending money on doesn't seem to be winning and in any case you'd want a different message for Kamala.


    Personally think that EITHER Biden OR Harris can beat Trump this November; they could also both lose. But what I think is incontrovertible, is that Democrats can NOT win IF Black turnout falls from (even) 2020 levels. NOT the White House, nor Congress, or some key state races for Governor, legislature and other offices.

    This comes back to: What is the actual evidence that post-Obama Black voters are mainly motivated by wanting a Black president. It's not in their primary voting record, they went for Biden. We never got to see how Cory Booker would have done if he'd carried on until South Carolina because he dropped out before he got that far but he and his donors how to read polls, if there had been a decent amount of Black support there he'd have stayed in the race. And like I say, Jim Clyburn seems to be mini-primary-curious.


    BTW, is "$POPULAR_FORMER_GOVERNOR" an actual person?

    Come to think of it no, I should have said $POPULAR_CURRENTLY_SERVING_GOVERNOR. Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear, Jared Polis, Josh Shapiro...
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