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  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Omnium said:

    Quite odd that nobody has stated the obvious conclusion that 'Hallett' has been completely pointless. You can see how all the commentators fancy a bit of the future long-running committee action.

    We weren’t prepared for a once in a lifetime event that none of us saw coming seems to have been the conclusion. That most of us could have drawn 4 years ago.

    The question about how well governments can prepare for events that no-one saw coming is a pertinent one to ask, and there are probable learnings that can be drawn from it. But of course this will all get drowned out by the chorus of how awful our awful government was by the media, who loved playing that game all the way through the pandemic. I do not give the government much credit as things go, and I am absolutely convinced they could have done better, but i see things as much more nuanced.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited July 18
    AnthonyT said:

    Fishing said:

    FPT

    Roger said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c903d09jwk7o



    Glorious Image.

    A lot of work went into making that happen.

    .....Much of it done by Johnson and Truss. Interestingly I count 25 women in the shot and 18 men. That rebalance is one of the great advances of this parliament and something that hints the country might be moving forward on several fronts
    Why are people with different genitals a "great advance"? It is neither an advance nor a retreat in itself. What we need are the best people, regardless of their gender.
    One of the positive things about May (perhaps unfairly) and especially Truss, is that they prove that women can be just as much a failure, or as incompetent, as men. The idea that putting a woman in charge is a magic solution to an organisation's woes is, I fear, a false one.
    Nicola Sturgeon
    Cressida Dick
    Dido Harding
    Helen Pitcher
    Paula Vennells
    Alice Perkins
    Amanda Spielman
    Hillary Clinton
    Lol I see the "what about white middle aged men?" brigade are out in force this afternoon.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 795

    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    Oh dear, the republican virus infects the debate again.
    It’s a debate about democracy.

    The King is stopping a manifesto commitment of his elected government.
    Nope, thats just you warped view of it. Thankfully it is not a view shared by anyone sane.
    House of Lords = House of Unelected Has-Beens!
    I am not arguing against the removal of the hereditaries, just TSE's fanatical and ill informed republicanism.
    I'm probably even more of a republican than TSE! :lol:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250

    AnthonyT said:

    Fishing said:

    FPT

    Roger said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c903d09jwk7o



    Glorious Image.

    A lot of work went into making that happen.

    .....Much of it done by Johnson and Truss. Interestingly I count 25 women in the shot and 18 men. That rebalance is one of the great advances of this parliament and something that hints the country might be moving forward on several fronts
    Why are people with different genitals a "great advance"? It is neither an advance nor a retreat in itself. What we need are the best people, regardless of their gender.
    One of the positive things about May (perhaps unfairly) and especially Truss, is that they prove that women can be just as much a failure, or as incompetent, as men. The idea that putting a woman in charge is a magic solution to an organisation's woes is, I fear, a false one.
    Nicola Sturgeon
    Cressida Dick
    Dido Harding
    Helen Pitcher
    Paula Vennells
    Alice Perkins
    Amanda Spielman
    Hillary Clinton
    Lol I see the "what about white middle aged me?" brigade are out in force this afternoon.
    No, the "what about competent people" brigade. Competent people seem to be viciously discriminated against.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    Oh dear, the republican virus infects the debate again.
    It’s a debate about democracy.

    The King is stopping a manifesto commitment of his elected government.
    Nope, thats just you warped view of it. Thankfully it is not a view shared by anyone sane.
    House of Lords = House of Unelected Has-Beens!
    I am not arguing against the removal of the hereditaries, just TSE's fanatical and ill informed republicanism.
    And HYUFD's mirror image pro-flummery fanaticism.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This election was a low point for parties to the right-of-centre and they got 39.2% between them in GB.

    Which was higher than the right of centre parties got from 1997-2005
    Right of centre parties have commanded a majority in every post-war election except... oh, except in all of them.
  • TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Realistically, there probably isn't a lot the police could do in our case. It's just frustrating that I didn't even get to speak to human being. I just got the automated email response with a link to "victim support". All done and dusted in under 6 hours with no real work involved. I never heard from Dorset police again.
  • TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
    Only if there's a spare place in the nick for them!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Nigelb said:

    For those (like me) who think if Biden goes, then Harris is a shoe in, this is interesting polling.
    (15k voters across battleground states.)

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-be78-dd41-afb9-fefc35f00000
    ..BY A NEARLY 2:1 MARGIN, DEMOCRATIC VOTERS SAY THE PARTY SHOULD
    CHOOSE ‘THE BEST NOMINEE NO MATTER WHO’ IF BIDEN DOESN'T RUN..


    In the light of this, you might consider the odd hedge bet sensible.

    Shapiro in particular (and also in the light of his pitch perfect response to the Trump shooting) looks pretty good value at (what were when I hedged) his very long odds for the Presidency.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    You must be bald as a coot with all that forelock tugging.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    AnthonyT said:

    Fishing said:

    FPT

    Roger said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c903d09jwk7o



    Glorious Image.

    A lot of work went into making that happen.

    .....Much of it done by Johnson and Truss. Interestingly I count 25 women in the shot and 18 men. That rebalance is one of the great advances of this parliament and something that hints the country might be moving forward on several fronts
    Why are people with different genitals a "great advance"? It is neither an advance nor a retreat in itself. What we need are the best people, regardless of their gender.
    One of the positive things about May (perhaps unfairly) and especially Truss, is that they prove that women can be just as much a failure, or as incompetent, as men. The idea that putting a woman in charge is a magic solution to an organisation's woes is, I fear, a false one.
    Nicola Sturgeon
    Cressida Dick
    Dido Harding
    Helen Pitcher
    Paula Vennells
    Alice Perkins
    Amanda Spielman
    Hillary Clinton
    Lol I see the "what about white middle aged me?" brigade are out in force this afternoon.
    No, the "what about competent people" brigade. Competent people seem to be viciously discriminated against.
    And what might be the mechanism for that discrimination?

    I agree that mediocrity and ineptitude goes unchallenged because of the 'someone like us' syndrome but that's not the same as actively discriminating against competent people.

    What happens is posts are filled by 'someone we know', 'someone like us', 'someone who will fit in' rather than through proper selection.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    AnthonyT said:

    Fishing said:

    FPT

    Roger said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c903d09jwk7o



    Glorious Image.

    A lot of work went into making that happen.

    .....Much of it done by Johnson and Truss. Interestingly I count 25 women in the shot and 18 men. That rebalance is one of the great advances of this parliament and something that hints the country might be moving forward on several fronts
    Why are people with different genitals a "great advance"? It is neither an advance nor a retreat in itself. What we need are the best people, regardless of their gender.
    One of the positive things about May (perhaps unfairly) and especially Truss, is that they prove that women can be just as much a failure, or as incompetent, as men. The idea that putting a woman in charge is a magic solution to an organisation's woes is, I fear, a false one.
    Nicola Sturgeon
    Cressida Dick
    Dido Harding
    Helen Pitcher
    Paula Vennells
    Alice Perkins
    Amanda Spielman
    Hillary Clinton
    Lol I see the "what about white middle aged me?" brigade are out in force this afternoon.
    No, the "what about competent people" brigade. Competent people seem to be viciously discriminated against.
    I think life is mainly around the incompetent. You spend half your time trying to be nice to all the people that are incompetent, and helping them to improve. Then the other half of your time is dealing with the crap that the incompetent people in power spin your way. You finish up with no time at all left to demonstrate your personal competence in actually doing anything.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html

    Pelosi privately told Biden polls show he cannot win and will take down the House; Biden responded with defensiveness
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    For those (like me) who think if Biden goes, then Harris is a shoe in, this is interesting polling.
    (15k voters across battleground states.)

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-be78-dd41-afb9-fefc35f00000
    ..BY A NEARLY 2:1 MARGIN, DEMOCRATIC VOTERS SAY THE PARTY SHOULD
    CHOOSE ‘THE BEST NOMINEE NO MATTER WHO’ IF BIDEN DOESN'T RUN..


    In the light of this, you might consider the odd hedge bet sensible.

    Shapiro in particular (and also in the light of his pitch perfect response to the Trump shooting) looks pretty good value at (what were when I hedged) his very long odds for the Presidency.
    Only Shapiro or Whitmer and Mark Kelly do clearly better than Biden on that polling in some key battleground states, unsurprisingly as they are all Governors or Senators from key battleground states. Harris or Newsom don't.

    Wes Moore, Governor of MD also does OK
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Nigelb said:

    'Interesting' weather in Hungary ahead of the GP.
    https://x.com/RBR_Daily/status/1813607042688643383

    Those on site reckon that the storm has now passed, and the weekend is looking sunny.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    I'm confused. How does 'removing the right of hereditary peers to sit and vote in the House of Lords' equate to stopping the Earl Marshal and LGC performing their ceremonial duties? Why can't they just perform those duties but not speak or vote in the HoL?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,378
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    For those (like me) who think if Biden goes, then Harris is a shoe in, this is interesting polling.
    (15k voters across battleground states.)

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-be78-dd41-afb9-fefc35f00000
    ..BY A NEARLY 2:1 MARGIN, DEMOCRATIC VOTERS SAY THE PARTY SHOULD
    CHOOSE ‘THE BEST NOMINEE NO MATTER WHO’ IF BIDEN DOESN'T RUN..


    In the light of this, you might consider the odd hedge bet sensible.

    Shapiro in particular (and also in the light of his pitch perfect response to the Trump shooting) looks pretty good value at (what were when I hedged) his very long odds for the Presidency.
    Only Shapiro or Whitmer and Mark Kelly do clearly better than Biden on that polling in some key battleground states, unsurprisingly as they are all Governors or Senators from key battleground states. Harris or Newsom don't.

    Wes Moore, Governor of MD also does OK
    I was surprised for a moment that you thought Ben Shapiro might be an alternative.

    Then I realised you meant Josh Shapiro.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I’m sitting outside Van Gogh’s “night cafe” which, kind of fittingly, is closed coz it went bankrupt

    How would you fuck up a guaranteed business like that?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    That’s absolutely terrible from the Met.

    Don’t they think that whoever stole your car might be stealing others, and that they almost certainly have done something before to bring themselves to a police station? So take prints, identify the scrote, pick him up, and see the car thefts in that area drop to nothing overnight. Win-win-win.

    But London decided to re-elect the man in charge, who thinks the pride parades are more important than the crime rate.
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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    I voted Tory in 2024, that's what being a proper Tory does.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    I'm confused. How does 'removing the right of hereditary peers to sit and vote in the House of Lords' equate to stopping the Earl Marshal and LGC performing their ceremonial duties? Why can't they just perform those duties but not speak or vote in the HoL?
    Often our constitution seems to have this weird insurmountable barrier (in people’s heads) where everyone gets very worked up about the fact that various officers of state etc absolutely must be members of parliament or that to set foot in a particular house of parliament one absolutely must be a member of it. Despite there being loads of exceptions to this general rule.

    It comes from a bit of institutional inertia (this is how it has always been done since Richard I you know….) and perhaps a little bit of the fact the government is drawn from Parliament and quite enjoys the fact it’s a select club.

    You’re absolutely right, therefore, that there is precisely zero reason why these officers need to be members of the HOL but here we are having this odd debate again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    'Interesting' weather in Hungary ahead of the GP.
    https://x.com/RBR_Daily/status/1813607042688643383

    Those on site reckon that the storm has now passed, and the weekend is looking sunny.
    Probably - but Hungaroring weather is weird.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 18

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    I voted Tory in 2024, that's what being a proper Tory does.
    You voted Liberal Democrat in 2017 and 2019, at most you are a Whig who votes Conservative to keep out Labour. If this was PB 18th century or early 19th century and we were both in the Commons you would have been on the Whig benches and I would have been on the Tory benches
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Now that is how you celebrate taking a wicket.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    For those (like me) who think if Biden goes, then Harris is a shoe in, this is interesting polling.
    (15k voters across battleground states.)

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-be78-dd41-afb9-fefc35f00000
    ..BY A NEARLY 2:1 MARGIN, DEMOCRATIC VOTERS SAY THE PARTY SHOULD
    CHOOSE ‘THE BEST NOMINEE NO MATTER WHO’ IF BIDEN DOESN'T RUN..


    In the light of this, you might consider the odd hedge bet sensible.

    Shapiro in particular (and also in the light of his pitch perfect response to the Trump shooting) looks pretty good value at (what were when I hedged) his very long odds for the Presidency.
    Only Shapiro or Whitmer and Mark Kelly do clearly better than Biden on that polling in some key battleground states, unsurprisingly as they are all Governors or Senators from key battleground states. Harris or Newsom don't.

    Wes Moore, Governor of MD also does OK
    I was surprised for a moment that you thought Ben Shapiro might be an alternative.

    Then I realised you meant Josh Shapiro.
    **Hurriedly checks Betfair slip**
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited July 18
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    I voted Tory in 2024, that's what being a proper Tory does.
    You voted Liberal Democrat in 2017 and 2019, at most you are a Whig you votes Conservative to keep out Labour. If this was PB 18th century or early 19th century and we were both in the Commons you would have been on the Whig benches and I would have been on the Tory benches
    If this was the 18th or 19th century I would have been even more oppressed than I am today.

    At least I've never voted for Nationalists who want to break up the UK.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I’ve been away so I can understand why the site is a bit grumpy and bored, so I apologise. I’m on hols with ma fille

    But this might cheer you all up. The gazette have just told me this afternoon that it is sending me to Japan’s Yaeyama archipelago, one of the most exotic and fabulous destinations on the planet

    Isn’t that good news? Surely everyone just feels little bit happier now, knowing that at least one PBer is going to this amazing place?


    https://visitokinawajapan.com/destinations/yaeyama-islands/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Omnium said:

    AnthonyT said:

    Fishing said:

    FPT

    Roger said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c903d09jwk7o



    Glorious Image.

    A lot of work went into making that happen.

    .....Much of it done by Johnson and Truss. Interestingly I count 25 women in the shot and 18 men. That rebalance is one of the great advances of this parliament and something that hints the country might be moving forward on several fronts
    Why are people with different genitals a "great advance"? It is neither an advance nor a retreat in itself. What we need are the best people, regardless of their gender.
    One of the positive things about May (perhaps unfairly) and especially Truss, is that they prove that women can be just as much a failure, or as incompetent, as men. The idea that putting a woman in charge is a magic solution to an organisation's woes is, I fear, a false one.
    Nicola Sturgeon
    Cressida Dick
    Dido Harding
    Helen Pitcher
    Paula Vennells
    Alice Perkins
    Amanda Spielman
    Hillary Clinton
    Lol I see the "what about white middle aged me?" brigade are out in force this afternoon.
    No, the "what about competent people" brigade. Competent people seem to be viciously discriminated against.
    I think life is mainly around the incompetent. You spend half your time trying to be nice to all the people that are incompetent, and helping them to improve. Then the other half of your time is dealing with the crap that the incompetent people in power spin your way. You finish up with no time at all left to demonstrate your personal competence in actually doing anything.
    I suggest you look at the theory and practise of anti-discrimination.

    Filling posts with your chums is discriminatory. Because it leaves no space for your non-chums.

    So, the Fuckwits In Charge diversified their searches for Fuckwits.

    I am arguing the same methodology and process should be applied, again, to reach outside The Magic Circle.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited July 18
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    My Carluccio's habit is something something something and a Bloody Mary. Especially in the morning.

    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971

    Omnium said:

    Quite odd that nobody has stated the obvious conclusion that 'Hallett' has been completely pointless. You can see how all the commentators fancy a bit of the future long-running committee action.

    We weren’t prepared for a once in a lifetime event that none of us saw coming seems to have been the conclusion. That most of us could have drawn 4 years ago.

    The question about how well governments can prepare for events that no-one saw coming is a pertinent one to ask, and there are probable learnings that can be drawn from it. But of course this will all get drowned out by the chorus of how awful our awful government was by the media, who loved playing that game all the way through the pandemic. I do not give the government much credit as things go, and I am absolutely convinced they could have done better, but i see things as much more nuanced.
    I have more time for the last government during the pandemic than after it.

    Making mistakes during a once in a lifetime pandemic is entirely understandable.

    But afterwards? Triple lock plus? National service? Dropping housing targets during a housing crisis?

    No once in a lifetime excuse for any of that bullshit. Rishi repeatedly was cold, considered, planned, then did the wrong thing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html

    Pelosi privately told Biden polls show he cannot win and will take down the House; Biden responded with defensiveness

    https://x.com/natesilver538/status/1813778269977583930

    “So they basically held an intervention with Biden, and it didn't work, so now they're leaking the details publicly.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Omnium said:

    AnthonyT said:

    Fishing said:

    FPT

    Roger said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c903d09jwk7o



    Glorious Image.

    A lot of work went into making that happen.

    .....Much of it done by Johnson and Truss. Interestingly I count 25 women in the shot and 18 men. That rebalance is one of the great advances of this parliament and something that hints the country might be moving forward on several fronts
    Why are people with different genitals a "great advance"? It is neither an advance nor a retreat in itself. What we need are the best people, regardless of their gender.
    One of the positive things about May (perhaps unfairly) and especially Truss, is that they prove that women can be just as much a failure, or as incompetent, as men. The idea that putting a woman in charge is a magic solution to an organisation's woes is, I fear, a false one.
    Nicola Sturgeon
    Cressida Dick
    Dido Harding
    Helen Pitcher
    Paula Vennells
    Alice Perkins
    Amanda Spielman
    Hillary Clinton
    Lol I see the "what about white middle aged me?" brigade are out in force this afternoon.
    No, the "what about competent people" brigade. Competent people seem to be viciously discriminated against.
    I think life is mainly around the incompetent. You spend half your time trying to be nice to all the people that are incompetent, and helping them to improve. Then the other half of your time is dealing with the crap that the incompetent people in power spin your way. You finish up with no time at all left to demonstrate your personal competence in actually doing anything.
    I suggest you look at the theory and practise of anti-discrimination.

    Filling posts with your chums is discriminatory. Because it leaves no space for your non-chums.

    So, the Fuckwits In Charge diversified their searches for Fuckwits.

    I am arguing the same methodology and process should be applied, again, to reach outside The Magic Circle.
    You are Baroness Hallett, and I claim my 5 pounds!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited July 18
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
    Can I take a cycle in? :smile:

    (The last time I did Carluccio's was on the way to a cycling holiday on the IOW. My not cool thing was forgetting to unclip in Trafalgar Square, and doing a great-collapsing-sideways disaster.)

    Or must I bring the E-Brompton?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting outside Van Gogh’s “night cafe” which, kind of fittingly, is closed coz it went bankrupt

    How would you fuck up a guaranteed business like that?

    As I mentioned yesterday they ruined it by having really aggressive staff outside almost literally dragging in passing tourists. I saw their menu when passing early one morning and it was bonkers expensive and all revues of their food were dreadful. That’s how you fuck up an amazing opportunity and site like that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting outside Van Gogh’s “night cafe” which, kind of fittingly, is closed coz it went bankrupt

    How would you fuck up a guaranteed business like that?

    As I mentioned yesterday they ruined it by having really aggressive staff outside almost literally dragging in passing tourists. I saw their menu when passing early one morning and it was bonkers expensive and all revues of their food were dreadful. That’s how you fuck up an amazing opportunity and site like that.
    That’s properly interesting. How mad!

    Just make it a normal cafe and add a euro or two to the prices - as it is THE cafe - and it will be rammed 24/7 all year. So you will still make a lovely profit

    There should be a long FT essay using it as an example of this phenomenon
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited July 18
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    I had lunch at a Michelin starred restaurant for £30, about 6 or 7 years ago. Useless fact.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting outside Van Gogh’s “night cafe” which, kind of fittingly, is closed coz it went bankrupt

    How would you fuck up a guaranteed business like that?

    As I mentioned yesterday they ruined it by having really aggressive staff outside almost literally dragging in passing tourists. I saw their menu when passing early one morning and it was bonkers expensive and all revues of their food were dreadful. That’s how you fuck up an amazing opportunity and site like that.
    That’s properly interesting. How mad!

    Just make it a normal cafe and add a euro or two to the prices - as it is THE cafe - and it will be rammed 24/7 all year. So you will still make a lovely profit

    There should be a long FT essay using it as an example of this phenomenon
    I could understand the extra cost and/or bad food in an iconic site but it was the four or five scary staff grabbing your arm as you past and pulling you towards the entrance. Nuts.

    Did you take a walk along the Alyscamps?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Another reason to ditch the monarchy, it subverts democracy/the will of the people.

    Sir Keir Starmer might be forced to keep two hereditary peers because of their links to the King.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords by making all those aged 80 and above step down.

    The House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill will remove their right to sit and vote in Parliament’s upper chamber after officials criticised the “outdated and indefensible” presence of those who were there solely by right of birth.

    It is considered the first step in Sir Keir’s efforts to modernise the Lords and make it “fit for the 21st century”.

    However, of the 92 remaining hereditary peers, the roles of the Earl Marshal and the Lord Great Chamberlain are likely to be exempt because of the constitutional role they play on state occasions, sources admitted.

    The Earl Marshal is a hereditary office that requires him to organise major ceremonial occasions.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/17/two-hereditary-peers-king-survive-starmer-lords-cull/

    No it doesn't, he had no manifesto commitment to remove the monarchy or the Earl Marshal and Lord Great Chamberlain.

    Indeed Tories should oppose all this act of constitutional vandalism, Labour may have had a manifesto commitment to remove the remaining hereditary peers, the Tories didn't
    The Salisbury-Addison convention applies, the King should shut the eff up or run for election.

    He’s worse than that Nazi lover Edward VIII who actually listened to his government.
    No he shouldn't, the King has said nothing, the Telegraph has and is absolutely right that Labour has no mandate to remove the Earl Marshal and LGC.

    I would expect a non Tory Liberal like you however not to stand up for our hereditary peers but Tory MPs certainly should do, they should oppose this Bill and Tory peers try and delay it as long as possible
    I voted Tory in 2024, that's what being a proper Tory does.
    You voted Liberal Democrat in 2017 and 2019, at most you are a Whig who votes Conservative to keep out Labour. If this was PB 18th century or early 19th century and we were both in the Commons you would have been on the Whig benches and I would have been on the Tory benches
    You voted REMAIN in 2016, making you a Socialist!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
    As I mentioned before, the answer is modernised corporal punishment. Pepper spray them in the eyes every day for a week. They won’t do it again

    No long term damage but a real deterrent
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    I had lunch at a Michelin starred restaurant for £30, about 6 or 7 years ago. Useless fact.
    Was it any good?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Up the Pope!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
    As I mentioned before, the answer is modernised corporal punishment. Pepper spray them in the eyes every day for a week. They won’t do it again

    No long term damage but a real deterrent
    "I woke up. The pain and sickness all over me like an animal. Then I realized what it was. The music coming up from the floor was our old friend, Ludwig Van, and the dreaded Ninth Symphony."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting outside Van Gogh’s “night cafe” which, kind of fittingly, is closed coz it went bankrupt

    How would you fuck up a guaranteed business like that?

    As I mentioned yesterday they ruined it by having really aggressive staff outside almost literally dragging in passing tourists. I saw their menu when passing early one morning and it was bonkers expensive and all revues of their food were dreadful. That’s how you fuck up an amazing opportunity and site like that.
    That’s properly interesting. How mad!

    Just make it a normal cafe and add a euro or two to the prices - as it is THE cafe - and it will be rammed 24/7 all year. So you will still make a lovely profit

    There should be a long FT essay using it as an example of this phenomenon
    I could understand the extra cost and/or bad food in an iconic site but it was the four or five scary staff grabbing your arm as you past and pulling you towards the entrance. Nuts.

    Did you take a walk along the Alyscamps?

    Yes, very poetic. Not a lot of noom - perhaps a hint in the mighty chapel in the end, but charming and lyrical

    Arles, as you told me, is indeed delightful

    One of my new favourite small cities - in the world
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    I had lunch at a Michelin starred restaurant for £30, about 6 or 7 years ago. Useless fact.
    Still doable, but you would be mainly on set menus.
    https://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/best-for/cheap-michelin-set-menus-london-uk_10601
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
    Can I take a cycle in? :smile:

    (The last time I did Carluccio's was on the way to a cycling holiday on the IOW. My not cool thing was forgetting to unclip in Trafalgar Square, and doing a great-collapsing-sideways disaster.)

    Or must I bring the E-Brompton?
    Vinoteca probably wouldn’t mind. A friend of mine is one of the owners. It’s a chain of restaurants but they are properly good. Not too expensive, and the wine is ace and the bavette is brilliant
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
    As I mentioned before, the answer is modernised corporal punishment. Pepper spray them in the eyes every day for a week. They won’t do it again

    No long term damage but a real deterrent
    Slacker.

    Instead of retrieving the car, do some mods.

    So when they climb in and try and start it, the doors lock. Then triggers the valve of your valuable cylinder of chlorine you left in the boot.

    They won’t do it again
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting outside Van Gogh’s “night cafe” which, kind of fittingly, is closed coz it went bankrupt

    How would you fuck up a guaranteed business like that?

    As I mentioned yesterday they ruined it by having really aggressive staff outside almost literally dragging in passing tourists. I saw their menu when passing early one morning and it was bonkers expensive and all revues of their food were dreadful. That’s how you fuck up an amazing opportunity and site like that.
    That’s properly interesting. How mad!

    Just make it a normal cafe and add a euro or two to the prices - as it is THE cafe - and it will be rammed 24/7 all year. So you will still make a lovely profit

    There should be a long FT essay using it as an example of this phenomenon
    I could understand the extra cost and/or bad food in an iconic site but it was the four or five scary staff grabbing your arm as you past and pulling you towards the entrance. Nuts.

    Did you take a walk along the Alyscamps?

    Yes, very poetic. Not a lot of noom - perhaps a hint in the mighty chapel in the end, but charming and lyrical

    Arles, as you told me, is indeed delightful

    One of my new favourite small cities - in the world
    I think I was lucky with the Alyscamps, it was a warm September Friday morning so good light but quiet as after most tourists gone and the leaves gave a great dappling effect everywhere - under those conditions it was one of the noomiest places I’ve experienced in France.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    I had lunch at a Michelin starred restaurant for £30, about 6 or 7 years ago. Useless fact.
    Still doable, but you would be mainly on set menus.
    https://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/best-for/cheap-michelin-set-menus-london-uk_10601
    It was Adam's in B'ham. They now charge £60 for lunch, which shows you what's happened with food/restaurant inflation over the last few years.

    https://www.adamsrestaurant.co.uk/food-menu-british-contemporary-fine-dining-adams/
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    . . . from the In Case You Didn't Notice department . . .

    > Last Vice President of the United States who sported facial hair (a mustache) was Hoobert Heever's VP Charles Curtis (1929-33).

    > Last VP with a beard was Theodore Roosevelt's 2nd-term side-kick (sorta) was Charles Fairbanks (1905-09).

    > Teddy was also last President of the US with a mustache (1901-09); Benjamin Harrison was last POTUS with a beard (2nd term 1889-93).

    > Last major-party POTUS nominee with a mustache was Tom Dewey (1948); Charles Evans Hughes was last with a beard (1916).

    > All of the above were Republicans.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
    Can I take a cycle in? :smile:

    (The last time I did Carluccio's was on the way to a cycling holiday on the IOW. My not cool thing was forgetting to unclip in Trafalgar Square, and doing a great-collapsing-sideways disaster.)

    Or must I bring the E-Brompton?
    Vinoteca probably wouldn’t mind. A friend of mine is one of the owners. It’s a chain of restaurants but they are properly good. Not too expensive, and the wine is ace and the bavette is brilliant
    Nonsense - expensive and no better than adequate. It was once far better.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Leon said:

    I’ve been away so I can understand why the site is a bit grumpy and bored, so I apologise. I’m on hols with ma fille

    But this might cheer you all up. The gazette have just told me this afternoon that it is sending me to Japan’s Yaeyama archipelago, one of the most exotic and fabulous destinations on the planet

    Isn’t that good news? Surely everyone just feels little bit happier now, knowing that at least one PBer is going to this amazing place?

    https://visitokinawajapan.com/destinations/yaeyama-islands/

    You just missed the harvest festival and parade of the local fertility god.
    Which seems sub-optimal for the gazette.

    I'll be interested to hear if they're worth the bother, though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
    As I mentioned before, the answer is modernised corporal punishment. Pepper spray them in the eyes every day for a week. They won’t do it again

    No long term damage but a real deterrent
    Slacker.

    Instead of retrieving the car, do some mods.

    So when they climb in and try and start it, the doors lock. Then triggers the valve of your valuable cylinder of chlorine you left in the boot.

    They won’t do it again
    You definitely don’t understand modern ‘policing’. They’d send the whole armed SWAT team to your house to arrest you for assault.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,815
    Sandpit said:
    God, I feel so sorry for those parents. If the police had acted efficiently or competently their son would still be alive. That's awful.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Sandpit said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html

    Pelosi privately told Biden polls show he cannot win and will take down the House; Biden responded with defensiveness

    https://x.com/natesilver538/status/1813778269977583930

    “So they basically held an intervention with Biden, and it didn't work, so now they're leaking the details publicly.”
    Now Democratic leaders seeking alternative to Biden have succeeded in delaying the rush to judgement re: the Democratic nomination until August, against wishes of JB & his team who wanted a virtual vote sooner rather than any later.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    HYUFD said:

    Trumpers not happy with a Sikh prayer at the GOP convention, 'one saying Jesus Christ needs to be front and center,” and said: “Jesus saved Trump’s life on Saturday and no one wants to give him credit at this convention.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/18/republican-national-convention-prayer-harmeet-dhillon

    That firefighter who was killed didn't get much help from Jesus.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    If Starmer has a profound interest in winning the next election he'll do something about this sort of thing, because the Tories certainly didn't over 14 years.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
    Can I take a cycle in? :smile:

    (The last time I did Carluccio's was on the way to a cycling holiday on the IOW. My not cool thing was forgetting to unclip in Trafalgar Square, and doing a great-collapsing-sideways disaster.)

    Or must I bring the E-Brompton?
    Vinoteca probably wouldn’t mind. A friend of mine is one of the owners. It’s a chain of restaurants but they are properly good. Not too expensive, and the wine is ace and the bavette is brilliant
    Nonsense - expensive and no better than adequate. It was once far better.
    To be fair that could be true. I haven’t been in half a decade. It used to be great - sad if it’s declined
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    glw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trumpers not happy with a Sikh prayer at the GOP convention, 'one saying Jesus Christ needs to be front and center,” and said: “Jesus saved Trump’s life on Saturday and no one wants to give him credit at this convention.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/18/republican-national-convention-prayer-harmeet-dhillon

    That firefighter who was killed didn't get much help from Jesus.
    That's odd. I'd have imagined a bloke from two thousand years ago who's in fact dead might have paid more attention.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited July 18
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:
    God, I feel so sorry for those parents. If the police had acted efficiently or competently their son would still be alive. That's awful.
    As would Corey Comperatore.

    What a total policing fcukup from start to finish. Everyone should have been looking for this kid, with a photo, and when they found him should have taken him in straight away. Once he’d been sighted close by, including people shouting his name, the event should have been held, and the ‘Principal’ kept in his armoured police car, until the suspect was apprehended. The various local, State, and Federal law enforcement agencies appear to have been incapable of passing messages between themselves, in anything approaching a timely manner.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @michaelkeohan

    NEW: The Home Office have confirmed to me that last night the Border Force vessel Ranger, returned migrants back to France, after rescuing them in French waters. The FIRST TIME this has EVER happened.

    It's not yet clear if this is a direct change of policy from the Home Office.

    https://x.com/michaelkeohan/status/1813934284337791195
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Thoughts and prayers for me.

    I picked the wrong week to go back to work.

    House purchases are being delayed by a glitch with a global payment system, the Bank of England has said.

    Officials said the outage with its CHAPS service, a real time system used for sterling transactions, was affecting “some high value and time-sensitive payments, including some house purchases”.

    The Clearing House Automated Payment System - known as CHAPS - is used for processing large payments used for football player purchases, art deals and home completions.

    This is the third time since 2014 that the Bank of England has reported an issue with the service. It last went down in August last year.

    Sources at the Bank of England have said the “global issue” with the payments is as a result of an issue with Swift technology, a global payments technology company.

    A source close to Swift said the payments outage which is holding up house purchases across Britain is not the result of a cyber attack.

    The Bank of England said: “A global payments issue is affecting the Bank’s CHAPS service and delaying some high value and time-sensitive payments, including some house purchases.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/18/ftse-100-latest-news-employment-interest-rates-ons-starmer/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    Put her on a plane to Paris.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Omnium said:

    glw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trumpers not happy with a Sikh prayer at the GOP convention, 'one saying Jesus Christ needs to be front and center,” and said: “Jesus saved Trump’s life on Saturday and no one wants to give him credit at this convention.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/18/republican-national-convention-prayer-harmeet-dhillon

    That firefighter who was killed didn't get much help from Jesus.
    That's odd. I'd have imagined a bloke from two thousand years ago who's in fact dead might have paid more attention.
    Reach out and touch faith!
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:
    God, I feel so sorry for those parents. If the police had acted efficiently or competently their son would still be alive. That's awful.
    As gigantic a cock up as it is, just imagine how much worse it would be if Trump had been killed. You could have major unrest and an even more fraught election all because some police and the secret service have been asleep at the wheel.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
    Can I take a cycle in? :smile:

    (The last time I did Carluccio's was on the way to a cycling holiday on the IOW. My not cool thing was forgetting to unclip in Trafalgar Square, and doing a great-collapsing-sideways disaster.)

    Or must I bring the E-Brompton?
    Vinoteca probably wouldn’t mind. A friend of mine is one of the owners. It’s a chain of restaurants but they are properly good. Not too expensive, and the wine is ace and the bavette is brilliant
    Nonsense - expensive and no better than adequate. It was once far better.
    To be fair that could be true. I haven’t been in half a decade. It used to be great - sad if it’s declined
    But you wort of know this anyway. Your mate Sean has a really odd job in that he ruins the best places by his attention.

    I don't regret the decline of Vinoteca, but it was once good. I do regret the decline of a small number of places though - look at the Gaucho - simply wondeful when it was a tiny underground and undiscovered place. The best steak I've ever had and fantastic Malbecs. Now - rather awful.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Scott_xP said:

    @michaelkeohan

    NEW: The Home Office have confirmed to me that last night the Border Force vessel Ranger, returned migrants back to France, after rescuing them in French waters. The FIRST TIME this has EVER happened.

    It's not yet clear if this is a direct change of policy from the Home Office.

    https://x.com/michaelkeohan/status/1813934284337791195

    The Tories must have been really rubbish not to have been able to organise this when they were in charge.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    Just tell her to google “ungrateful” and the first thousand entries and images are of the arrogant big nosed fuck.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Scott_xP said:

    @michaelkeohan

    NEW: The Home Office have confirmed to me that last night the Border Force vessel Ranger, returned migrants back to France, after rescuing them in French waters. The FIRST TIME this has EVER happened.

    It's not yet clear if this is a direct change of policy from the Home Office.

    https://x.com/michaelkeohan/status/1813934284337791195

    Lol I presumed we weren't "allowed" to pick up migrants in French waters. Assumed we had to wait till they hit ours. I presume Sunak did too !
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Doubt the Tories will ever get in again if Labour manages to stop the boats :D
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    Just tell her to google “ungrateful” and the first thousand entries and images are of the arrogant big nosed fuck.
    It's not his fault the Brits ran away (swam away?) at Dunkerque.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @michaelkeohan

    NEW: The Home Office have confirmed to me that last night the Border Force vessel Ranger, returned migrants back to France, after rescuing them in French waters. The FIRST TIME this has EVER happened.

    It's not yet clear if this is a direct change of policy from the Home Office.

    https://x.com/michaelkeohan/status/1813934284337791195

    The Tories must have been really rubbish not to have been able to organise this when they were in charge.
    Smacks of the French being French, and doing it deliberately. New British government, new approach.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,815
    glw said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:
    God, I feel so sorry for those parents. If the police had acted efficiently or competently their son would still be alive. That's awful.
    As gigantic a cock up as it is, just imagine how much worse it would be if Trump had been killed. You could have major unrest and an even more fraught election all because some police and the secret service have been asleep at the wheel.
    Indeed, the conspiracy theorists would have had a field day and scornfully asked are you really pretending that so many professional organisations could possibly have screwed up without being in cahoots with the murder? It would have made 22.11.63 look straightforward. And there would have been a lot more deaths to follow.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    The Standard Hotel just outside is the truly cool place to eat and drink

    Or Barrafina in Coal Drops Yard. Or have the famous steak bavette at Vinoteca
    Can I take a cycle in? :smile:

    (The last time I did Carluccio's was on the way to a cycling holiday on the IOW. My not cool thing was forgetting to unclip in Trafalgar Square, and doing a great-collapsing-sideways disaster.)

    Or must I bring the E-Brompton?
    Vinoteca probably wouldn’t mind. A friend of mine is one of the owners. It’s a chain of restaurants but they are properly good. Not too expensive, and the wine is ace and the bavette is brilliant
    Nonsense - expensive and no better than adequate. It was once far better.
    To be fair that could be true. I haven’t been in half a decade. It used to be great - sad if it’s declined
    But you wort of know this anyway. Your mate Sean has a really odd job in that he ruins the best places by his attention.

    I don't regret the decline of Vinoteca, but it was once good. I do regret the decline of a small number of places though - look at the Gaucho - simply wondeful when it was a tiny underground and undiscovered place. The best steak I've ever had and fantastic Malbecs. Now - rather awful.
    Actually no I don’t know. My travel writing for the gazette never takes me to places in london. Just everywhere else! So london is the one place I don’t professionally assess

    Real shame about Vinoteca if true. But it is a known phenomenon. I’m old enough to remember when chez Gerard was the place for great steaks. Then it chained out and became crap. Does it even exist?

    The ivy has so far escaped this but then it was never great in the first place. Just agreeable
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631

    NEW THREAD

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    glw said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:
    God, I feel so sorry for those parents. If the police had acted efficiently or competently their son would still be alive. That's awful.
    As gigantic a cock up as it is, just imagine how much worse it would be if Trump had been killed. You could have major unrest and an even more fraught election all because some police and the secret service have been asleep at the wheel.
    America was literally millimeters from disaster as a country. The civil unrest would have been off the scale if that bullet had taken out Trump.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    You're showing your age.
    What did you know of Poincaré or Clemenceau when you were her age ?

    "Every child" - bonkers.
    Any kid interested in history, sure.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Scott_xP said:

    @michaelkeohan

    NEW: The Home Office have confirmed to me that last night the Border Force vessel Ranger, returned migrants back to France, after rescuing them in French waters. The FIRST TIME this has EVER happened.

    It's not yet clear if this is a direct change of policy from the Home Office.

    https://x.com/michaelkeohan/status/1813934284337791195

    It will be interesting to see the reaction of PB Tories.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    You know, I'm not certain I knew of de Gaulle before I went to uni. There wasn't much on WW2 in secondary school really (loads on WW1) and pretty much nothing post WW2. Obviously we should all know about him anyway, but I'm not as shocked as maybe I should be.

    I think I first became aware of him in the post-war context, probably when reading up on the formation of the EU.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    One of my grandsons has just finished a History at Manchester (2:1, if you’re interested). During his time he had to do an essay on significant changes to young people’s lives in the 1960’s, and I asked him if he’d included the ending of National Service. He said he didn’t.
    If we’d had National Service through the 60’s we wouldn’t have had the bands!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892

    Sandpit said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html

    Pelosi privately told Biden polls show he cannot win and will take down the House; Biden responded with defensiveness

    https://x.com/natesilver538/status/1813778269977583930

    “So they basically held an intervention with Biden, and it didn't work, so now they're leaking the details publicly.”
    Now Democratic leaders seeking alternative to Biden have succeeded in delaying the rush to judgement re: the Democratic nomination until August, against wishes of JB & his team who wanted a virtual vote sooner rather than any later.
    Kamala now a shade of odds-on for the nomination. Biden 2/1 against.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.178163685
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    You know, I'm not certain I knew of de Gaulle before I went to uni. There wasn't much on WW2 in secondary school really (loads on WW1) and pretty much nothing post WW2. Obviously we should all know about him anyway, but I'm not as shocked as maybe I should be.

    I think I first became aware of him in the post-war context, probably when reading up on the formation of the EU.
    I remember where I was when I heard he had died; and I had a French lesson in school where the matter got aired that very afternoon nearly 54 years ago.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    One of my grandsons has just finished a History at Manchester (2:1, if you’re interested). During his time he had to do an essay on significant changes to young people’s lives in the 1960’s, and I asked him if he’d included the ending of National Service. He said he didn’t.
    If we’d had National Service through the 60’s we wouldn’t have had the bands!
    According to Larkin the really big thing in the 1960s was the invention of sexual intercourse, which of course began in 1963.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Law and order policy update.

    I mentioned my car was stolen last week and that the police didn’t bother going to check the last tracked location until the next morning by which time it had gone.

    Well, after processing the insurance claim, ordering a replacement car, sending the keys back and starting to move on I get a call from the Met police today saying they’ve found it. Parked a few hundred metres from where we live, but with the plates changed and the inside damaged and tracker removed.

    Mixed news, and more faff. But at least now they have a good chance of catching the crooks. Right?

    Because the theft was not aggravated (there was no violence or RTA involved) they are “not doing any forensics on it”.

    That’s right, car theft remains a legal activity so long as you drive carefully and don’t punch anybody.

    Our van was broken into electronically in Dorset and if we hadn't had an old school Stoplock fitted to it, I think it would have been nicked. The thieves had pulled all the right fuses and messed with the OBD port, probably to to bypass the immobiliser, but had clearly been spooked or forgotten their battery angle grinder. They were caught on a neighbouring Airbnb apartment cctv, and had successfully nicked another Transporter just down the road. I couldn't speak to the rozzers to report it as they don't have staff to record crimes and it had to be done online. Literally 6 hours later, I get an automated email telling me the crime will be filed as "Undetected".
    I doubt any human spent more than a couple of minutes looking into it.
    Interesting but somewhat different case recently here.

    About 3 weeks ago, 3 or 4 scrotes went through the village one night breaking into cars, sheds and garages and nicking anything they could get their hands on> they were caught on various CCTVs which weer then given to the police.

    Within about 24 hours the police had identifed them, arrested them and got a significant portion of the stolen goods back. They were well known to the local cops so it was a fairly straightforward arrest for them.

    The problem being of course that it is extremely unlikely they youths will get any sort of sentence that actually serves as a deterent. So of course they will be back at it again soon.

    But the police actually did their job and caught them which is all you can ask of them.
    Do domestic burglary 3 times and it's a minimum sentence of 3 years (unless very exceptional circumstances apply). So even if they get a slap on the wrists this time, they're setting themselves up for something "proper".
    As I mentioned before, the answer is modernised corporal punishment. Pepper spray them in the eyes every day for a week. They won’t do it again

    No long term damage but a real deterrent
    Slacker.

    Instead of retrieving the car, do some mods.

    So when they climb in and try and start it, the doors lock. Then triggers the valve of your valuable cylinder of chlorine you left in the boot.

    They won’t do it again
    You definitely don’t understand modern ‘policing’. They’d send the whole armed SWAT team to your house to arrest you for assault.
    Slacker. Just chuck a copy of The Turner Diaries in the boot as well. Then an anonymous tip about racist terrorists.

    Plod will be high fiving each other for weeks…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,250
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    You know, I'm not certain I knew of de Gaulle before I went to uni. There wasn't much on WW2 in secondary school really (loads on WW1) and pretty much nothing post WW2. Obviously we should all know about him anyway, but I'm not as shocked as maybe I should be.

    I think I first became aware of him in the post-war context, probably when reading up on the formation of the EU.
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    You know, I'm not certain I knew of de Gaulle before I went to uni. There wasn't much on WW2 in secondary school really (loads on WW1) and pretty much nothing post WW2. Obviously we should all know about him anyway, but I'm not as shocked as maybe I should be.

    I think I first became aware of him in the post-war context, probably when reading up on the formation of the EU.
    Every child should rote learn the names of 246 French cheeses as well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,378

    . . . from the In Case You Didn't Notice department . . .

    > Last Vice President of the United States who sported facial hair (a mustache) was Hoobert Heever's VP Charles Curtis (1929-33).

    > Last VP with a beard was Theodore Roosevelt's 2nd-term side-kick (sorta) was Charles Fairbanks (1905-09).

    > Teddy was also last President of the US with a mustache (1901-09); Benjamin Harrison was last POTUS with a beard (2nd term 1889-93).

    > Last major-party POTUS nominee with a mustache was Tom Dewey (1948); Charles Evans Hughes was last with a beard (1916).

    > All of the above were Republicans.

    Harrison only served one term.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    edited July 18
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  • ajbajb Posts: 147
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    dixiedean said:

    On a bus in front of a person who literally hasn't stopped talking for 45 minutes. It's a stream of consciousness of every single thought that enters her head.
    How does she think?
    What does she do when alone?

    Writes shit articles for the Spectator.
    Indeed. My stalker has stolen yet another of my favourite rants - against Michelin food

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/keep-michelin-men-out-of-our-hotels/
    Hint: if you want to keep up the pretence that you are not SeanT, stop promoting your Spectator articles.
    Oh do cheer up

    Here’s a photo of “the world’s most beautiful Romanesque cloisters”. In Arles cathedral



    They also have the skull and leg bone of St Anthony of the desert. One of the first ever saints, famous for his “temptations” in Egypt. Who managed to survive being “beaten to death” by cave-demons

    Brilliantly, the bones of the saint made it to Arles via some fabulously arcane route, including a gift by “Emperor Basil the Bulgar Slayer”

    Arles est fantastique
    British bishops attended the Council of Arles in 314. During Anthony's lifetime. One of many things schoolchildren don't learn just in case it fires their imagination.
    If you want to be depressed - get this

    My older daughter is very smart and reads a lot (she just devoured Brave New World in the 2 hour flight from Gatwick to Marseilles)

    I mentioned that I’m reading a biography of Charles de Gaulle. Her answer:

    “Who?”

    She’s never heard of CHARLES DE GAULLE

    And she’s clever and highly literate. She went to a supposedly “outstanding” north london comp then another “outstanding” sixth form and she’s in line for a top of the range uni

    What the fuck are we teaching our kids? Every child should know by the age of 18 who Charles de Gaulle was. Its bonkers and stupid
    I mean, we all know why this is daft, right?

    There's no reasonable way to teach every major figure in 2000 years of history (and some countries have an even bigger problem). If you want to teach history you have to cover some areas in depth, and that means selecting a few. I went to school before the national curriculum came in, so I suspect that the teachers each just picked their favourite - which at least mans they were interested in it. The areas I remember are:

    - The Tudors (which was in infant school and involved making Tudor houses out of cardboard)
    - The 1960s
    - That village that heroically quarantined itself during the plague
    - Richard III
    - World war I
    - The USA, from discovery to the revolutionary war

    There must have been others, but I don't remember being taught them. (Surely we must have covered world war II!)

    Anyway, play her Flander's and Swann's All Gall then she'll have to look up what it means :smiley:
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    edited July 18
    Leon said:

    I’ve been away so I can understand why the site is a bit grumpy and bored, so I apologise. I’m on hols with ma fille

    But this might cheer you all up. The gazette have just told me this afternoon that it is sending me to Japan’s Yaeyama archipelago, one of the most exotic and fabulous destinations on the planet

    Isn’t that good news? Surely everyone just feels little bit happier now, knowing that at least one PBer is going to this amazing place?


    https://visitokinawajapan.com/destinations/yaeyama-islands/

    Jealous. Since you're there, no excuse not to nip over to Taiwan and bash out a quick geopolitics article.

    Relatedly, my photo for today:


  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    sarissa said:

    Carnyx said:

    Amused to see Starmer is meeting European leaders at Blenheim Palace. The War of the Spanish Succession was of course a great example of European cooperation... but I am not sure what Macron will make of it

    One of Dave's best acts as Foreign Secretary was to choose Blenheim Palace as the location.

    Any party that decides to change the Eurostar terminus from St. Pancras back to Waterloo station will win my vote for life.
    Bugger that last for a game of commuters on the Tube. It's bad enough not having direct connections with Eurostar from the north *in the same station* without having that added as well.
    I say that as somebody who is from Sheffield and uses St Pancras a lot.

    Plus, hang on, you use the Tube? You utter peasant, use Uber Luxury, that's the way to travel in London.
    in a related matter, I will probably be using Eurostar a couple of times coming from Edinburgh soon. Is 50 mins to transfer and check in enough?
    No.

    It can be hit and miss.

    Most times the queues are quite short, but occasionally the queues resemble the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan.

    If you’re coming down to King’s X then I’d advise getting to King’s X about two hours before your schedule departure.

    Eurostar advise arriving 90 mins before check-in.
    There are quite pleasant restaurants around that you could plan to visit.

    I used to go to a Carluccio's in St Pancras.

    Obvs too downmarket for TSE.
    Carluccios’s is great for breakfast, Searcy’s for afternoons.
    My Carluccio's habit is something something something and a Bloody Mary. Especially in the morning.

    Isn't Searcy's the one stuck out on the platform with the howling gale and the city boys?

    Tried it ... once.
    No. That’s the Searcy’s Champagne Bar. The Brasserie is indoors along the platform and is superb. One of the best breakfast spots in London and certainly the best at any London railway station.
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