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OFSTED. At the moment, OFSTED is undergoing a review led by Christine Gilbert into its performance and practices. Why Gilbert, I have no idea. It seems unlikely that any changes will happen before the review concludes. Labour have pledged to bring in report cards instead of overall judgements, but how that works in practice, if it ever does, remains unclear. The unloved curriculum framework, which may be politely described as a fucking train crash, seems set to stay for now for the same reason.

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  • Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Divvie, wasn't he invited to the church by Robert to discuss matters peacefully, then straight up murdered?

    It was a "mainly peaceful" discussion.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,261
    Surprised to find Bridget Phillipson is on Y Doethur's To-Do list
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,763

    Surprised to find Bridget Phillipson is on Y Doethur's To-Do list

    Please, don't lower the tone.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    edited July 15
    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Eabhal said:



    Fair enough. And Oswald pulled off two much better shots with what I presume was an inferior weapon.

    LHO learned to shoot in the USMC not on Fortnite.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 15

    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.

    Not just teaching. De-financialisation is needed wholesale in many sectors.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,326
    Radio 4 really pissed me off this morning

    Biden stumbled over “ballot” and it’s came out as halfway between “ballot” and “battle”. It didn’t interrupt the flow of his speech and was understandable given context

    Radio 4 reported it as a “major gaffe” that will renew “doubt” about his candidacy

    The man has a stutter FFS. What other disability would it be ok to mock?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056
    The header forecasts no change to exams but an obvious place to start is abolishing GCSEs and SATs, or, since she won't be allowed to do either for fear of bad headlines, BP could at least set up (separate) inquiries into their future.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056

    Surprised to find Bridget Phillipson is on Y Doethur's To-Do list

    Please, don't lower the tone.
    Not before the sun is over Leon's yardarm.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,326
    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    There is perhaps a case for yet another inquiry, this time to establish which academy chains work and which do not, and why, and indeed whether any effects are real and not just random variation.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,931
    In Scotland teachers are promised a probationary year of employment. The problem is what happens next. Because places need to be found for the probationers, even those who have tried hard and made a favourable impression at their school, are not kept on.

    Funding issues then mean that they all too often spend several years on supply teaching with all the financial and social uncertainty that that brings. Try getting a mortgage on a supply contract. Many are lost to the profession in this period. The unhappy place we are at is that there is a shortage of teachers, a shortage of permanent posts, a casualisation of the profession and a much less desirable career causing a repeat of the cycle.

    Teaching doesn't pay that well but I have no doubt from both family members and the children of friends that it can be a seriously fulfilling and satisfying career. But it needs to be a career with more secure foundations, that is easier to get established in and which doesn't encourage people to find alternatives before they are even out of their twenties. Simply promising more teachers without giving consideration as to why there is a shortage right now is vacuous.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,326

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    There is perhaps a case for yet another inquiry, this time to establish which academy chains work and which do not, and why, and indeed whether any effects are real and not just random variation.
    Usually it’s those that focus on the basics of quality education in a constructive learning environment (by which I mean disciplined and respectful).

    And it helps to focus on primary - secondary is way harder
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481

    Radio 4 really pissed me off this morning

    Biden stumbled over “ballot” and it’s came out as halfway between “ballot” and “battle”. It didn’t interrupt the flow of his speech and was understandable given context

    Radio 4 reported it as a “major gaffe” that will renew “doubt” about his candidacy

    The man has a stutter FFS. What other disability would it be ok to mock?

    BBC US coverage has been poor for years.
    Justin Webb was once their N America editor, which illustrates the problem.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,293

    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.

    The difficulty is one m'learned friend alludes to- the government really doesn't have the capacity to take these things back in-house. And rebuilding that capacity will take time and money.

    I suspect it's a similar story across the board.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056
    Another change BP might consider is establishing a pathway to recruit more experienced teachers into the Department for Education. Even if pointless, it is probably harmless and certainly cheap, and will go down well with Keir's Blairite masters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481
    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,763
    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/

    He didn't want to upstage his son.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,763
    TOPPING said:

    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/

    He didn't want to upstage his son.
    His son is lazy as last year showed.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/20/wheres-willy/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,431
    edited July 15
    Good morning everyone.

    Quite a downbeat header !

    I think we need to recall that Phillipson's remit is England-only, not that makes too much difference in numbers etc as England is 80%+.

    My first question was what is "RAAC", apart from the thing said by the rooks in my nearest tree? But then I recalled Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete (RAAC).

    The latest numbers I can see for RAAC are quoted from Feb 2024, at ~0.5% of schools with "at least one building needs refurbishment / rebuild", at ~0.5% with less serious work required. TBH that's less than I was expecting. Are there later numbers?
    https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2024/02/08/new-guidance-on-raac-in-education-settings/

    I expect the standard Starmer approach to be 1) Some quick hits with results visible in 2-4 years and 2) Longer term planned things.

    How it will play out is like the rest - only time will tell.

    One more question - am I correct that the existing School Rebuilding Programme remains in place?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,293

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    There is perhaps a case for yet another inquiry, this time to establish which academy chains work and which do not, and why, and indeed whether any effects are real and not just random variation.
    Labour have got plans there:

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/leaders-divided-over-labour-plan-for-ofsted-trust-inspections/

    which is such an obviously sensible thing to do, given that we're probably stuck with the MAT model.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,434

    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.

    The difficulty is one m'learned friend alludes to- the government really doesn't have the capacity to take these things back in-house. And rebuilding that capacity will take time and money.

    I suspect it's a similar story across the board.
    Which sort of makes pushing private school pupils back in to the public sector a bit daft.

    If there's no capacity how are they planning to cope ?

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056
    Hold on. According to Wikipedia, Bridget Phillipson was an extra on Byker Grove, so she met PJ & Duncan, so she met Ant and Dec. That's Geordie royalty.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_Phillipson
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,264
    edited July 15

    Radio 4 really pissed me off this morning

    Biden stumbled over “ballot” and it’s came out as halfway between “ballot” and “battle”. It didn’t interrupt the flow of his speech and was understandable given context

    Radio 4 reported it as a “major gaffe” that will renew “doubt” about his candidacy

    The man has a stutter FFS. What other disability would it be ok to mock?

    Once the media get a narrative they are just constantly looking to reinforce...It is why every few hours a story gets updated with x said y about the story, then few hours later z condemns x for saying y.

    I am as critical as anybody that Biden isn't fit to stand, but the above incident isn't a good example of Biden declining mental state. That isn't in anyway the same as his debate performance.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 886
    DavidL said:

    In Scotland teachers are promised a probationary year of employment. The problem is what happens next. Because places need to be found for the probationers, even those who have tried hard and made a favourable impression at their school, are not kept on.

    Funding issues then mean that they all too often spend several years on supply teaching with all the financial and social uncertainty that that brings. Try getting a mortgage on a supply contract. Many are lost to the profession in this period. The unhappy place we are at is that there is a shortage of teachers, a shortage of permanent posts, a casualisation of the profession and a much less desirable career causing a repeat of the cycle.

    Teaching doesn't pay that well but I have no doubt from both family members and the children of friends that it can be a seriously fulfilling and satisfying career. But it needs to be a career with more secure foundations, that is easier to get established in and which doesn't encourage people to find alternatives before they are even out of their twenties. Simply promising more teachers without giving consideration as to why there is a shortage right now is vacuous.

    A couple of years ago Highland Council released their list of available teaching contracts (late) and there was not a single full time contract available. From what I heard they screwed the probationer allocation and then ended up having to fill a bunch of remaining positions with supply until they could sort it but, in the meantime, a bunch of teachers had already tried to cobble together full time employment from.the hodgepodge of .1 and .2 contracts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646

    Radio 4 really pissed me off this morning

    Biden stumbled over “ballot” and it’s came out as halfway between “ballot” and “battle”. It didn’t interrupt the flow of his speech and was understandable given context

    Radio 4 reported it as a “major gaffe” that will renew “doubt” about his candidacy

    The man has a stutter FFS. What other disability would it be ok to mock?

    Once the media get a narrative they are just constantly looking to reinforce...It is why every few hours a story gets updated with x said y about the story, then few hours later z condemns x for saying y.

    I am as critical as anybody that Biden isn't fit to stand, but the above incident isn't a good example of Biden declining mental state.
    It’s a little like every minor incident with a commercial plane having “Another Boeing Incident” as the headline, and a two-line story followed by 1,000 repeated words about a dozen more incidents, and why it’s the end of the company as we know it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,431

    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.

    The difficulty is one m'learned friend alludes to- the government really doesn't have the capacity to take these things back in-house. And rebuilding that capacity will take time and money.

    I suspect it's a similar story across the board.
    Which sort of makes pushing private school pupils back in to the public sector a bit daft.

    If there's no capacity how are they planning to cope ?

    The demographic profiles suggest that for a % of Independent School pupils there is space in terms of roll numbers compared to present. Resourcing may be a different matter if the VAT on independent school fees is bogged down in legal disputes.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 717
    Interesting thread thank you Y doethur. It does seem though that you think most of the issues on your list are unsolvable so it’s hard to see what you would like the new Education Secretary to do.

    I spent many a family party listening to my teacher Uncle complain vigorously about the Education Secretary of the day and eventually I asked him just what they could do to win his favour. He couldn’t think of anything beyond a wage increase.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    TOPPING said:

    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/

    He didn't want to upstage his son.
    His son is lazy as last year showed.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/20/wheres-willy/
    He is kept very busy in Norfolk.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    Doubt it. If you are switching targets as he was you have time to work the action of a single shot weapon as you are doing so. It costs no extra time.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,756
    edited July 15

    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.

    The difficulty is one m'learned friend alludes to- the government really doesn't have the capacity to take these things back in-house. And rebuilding that capacity will take time and money.

    I suspect it's a similar story across the board.
    Which sort of makes pushing private school pupils back in to the public sector a bit daft.

    If there's no capacity how are they planning to cope ?

    There may be a few public school sites going cheap, I guess?

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/w/former-st-marys-school-site-shaftesbury
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,431
    Hmmmm.

    Mr Thump will "bring the country together". Watch carefully.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cljy6yz1j6gt?post=asset:a4382c32-36ff-4433-89b5-4eee741d99ab#post
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    Doubt it. If you are switching targets as he was you have time to work the action of a single shot weapon as you are doing so. It costs no extra time.
    Have you listened to the audio of the event ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481
    Another item which might also have gone in the header - the next pay negotiation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/11/keir-starmer-on-collision-course-with-unions-over-public-sector-pay
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,756
    Thanks for the thread header @ydoethur.

    I hope you have misunderestimated the prospects for improvement. Despite everything, today's children seem to have a much better education and a much better time at school than either I or Mrs P. did in our respective state schools back in the 60s/70s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481
    I missed commenting on the greatest leader of the 21st C header.

    A possible candidate (who just makes it into the temporal cut), is the great Kim Dae-Jung of S Korea.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dae-jung

    A shame that all his successors have been useless or corrupt - or both.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,892

    My employer has recruited plenty since 2020. 40% increase in staff of which a not insignificant proportion are trained teachers. I agree education needs root and branch reform to allow teachers to focus on teaching. And to get the commercial sector out. This is not the place for them.

    The difficulty is one m'learned friend alludes to- the government really doesn't have the capacity to take these things back in-house. And rebuilding that capacity will take time and money.

    I suspect it's a similar story across the board.
    Which sort of makes pushing private school pupils back in to the public sector a bit daft.

    If there's no capacity how are they planning to cope ?

    There may be a few public school sites going cheap, I guess?

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/w/former-st-marys-school-site-shaftesbury
    I think there's a site in Alton as well. CR?
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    Doubt it. If you are switching targets as he was you have time to work the action of a single shot weapon as you are doing so. It costs no extra time.
    Have you listened to the audio of the event ?
    Yes. Your point would be a good one if there were one casualty per shot. There is not. He would get the same result shooting more economically with a single shot magazine rifle
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
    Probably as silly as discriminating against people based upon what type of driveshaft their car has.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,845
    Mr. B, also, if he lived into the 21st, Sultan Qaboos[sp] of Oman. A rare genuinely benevolent dictator, it seems, who ploughed wealth into transport and educational infrastructure.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    It's usually cockup.

    Which in this case was allowing the guy onto the roof. That is the crux of the failure, the rest is details.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,855
    A couple of days ago the LD office in Guildford had to be evacuated as workmen digging up the road found a suspected unexploded device. It was unkindly suggested that it might have been the departing Tory MP..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
    It's a pretty wide category as defined in their legislation.
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2023&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0200&pn=0723
  • eekeek Posts: 28,440
    Nigelb said:

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    Some LEAs were brilliant; some were awful.
    Point is that academisation hasn't really improved anything overall, and has in some cases made things worse.
    And has been a huge distraction from doing anything useful.
    Yep - round here every school escaped the local authority as soon as they could but all the original academies they created have gone over the years as the original leadership left and they started to falter.

    The biggest problems with academic chains is the travel distances required you want things locally because being a 30 minute drive away is a lot better than being 2 hours or more away.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,220
    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    “ Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X…” is as far as you need to read in that post.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,434
    Nigelb said:

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    Some LEAs were brilliant; some were awful.
    Point is that academisation hasn't really improved anything overall, and has in some cases made things worse.
    And has been a huge distraction from doing anything useful.
    I did some work not so long ago for an Academy, It's one of the few times I've come across plain bribery and corruption in the UK. The others were the Rail industry and Water,
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    TOPPING said:

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    It's usually cockup.

    Which in this case was allowing the guy onto the roof. That is the crux of the failure, the rest is details.
    That’s probably right. But there’s going to be an awful lot of Americans out there with a grievance who disagree.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    So Trump will bring the country together . It’s like the last 8 years never happened . He’s done more to polarize the USA than any other President.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646
    TOPPING said:

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    It's usually cockup.

    Which in this case was allowing the guy onto the roof. That is the crux of the failure, the rest is details.
    There’s plenty of conspiracies going around though, on both left and right sides of American politics, even if the cockup of various police agencies is the more likely scenario of what happened.

    This is the point at which Twitter moves from being the best way to understand a breaking news story, to generating way more heat than light as everyone weighs in with their own opinion.

    Meanwhile, attendees for the RNC are arriving in Milwaukee, and to say that security has been stepped up looks like a vast understatement. https://x.com/jackposobiec/status/1812707257617952902
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,431

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
    I'm disagreeing with that last para, because our perceptions *are* based on what they look like significantly.

    Which is why we have rules in the UK around imitation firearms.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 931
    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,855

    Nigelb said:

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    Some LEAs were brilliant; some were awful.
    Point is that academisation hasn't really improved anything overall, and has in some cases made things worse.
    And has been a huge distraction from doing anything useful.
    I did some work not so long ago for an Academy, It's one of the few times I've come across plain bribery and corruption in the UK. The others were the Rail industry and Water,
    Can you say what @Alanbrooke and what do you do?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,892
    edited July 15
    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 717
    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    I hate that kind of statement because it mixes up improbable with impossible. Just because something is improbable doesn’t mean it can’t happen. It’s like Michael Fagan getting into the Queen’s bedroom, sometimes the exact combination of security lapses combine with someone’s actions and something that shouldn’t happen happens.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,293
    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    Pupil numbers are currently falling by about 70000 a year due to declining birthrate, places in classrooms really won't be a problem in most of the country.

    And the economics of schools are curious- most of the costs are, if not fixed, very lumpy. (You don't pay a teacher more because they have 27 in the class, not 26.) But income is pretty much proportional to enrollment.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,434
    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    Some LEAs were brilliant; some were awful.
    Point is that academisation hasn't really improved anything overall, and has in some cases made things worse.
    And has been a huge distraction from doing anything useful.
    I did some work not so long ago for an Academy, It's one of the few times I've come across plain bribery and corruption in the UK. The others were the Rail industry and Water,
    Can you say what @Alanbrooke and what do you do?
    Usual issue of bribing the purchasing department. I came across it more In German car industry and anything to do with India. As for what you do it's proving it is the issue and due to the nature of the transactions you cant.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513

    Surprised to find Bridget Phillipson is on Y Doethur's To-Do list

    Please, don't lower the tone.
    Were you here last night? Can't get much lower. The night of the socks.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    Suggest you try and get a place in a state primary near me and see what you think. There are none. ZERO. The council instead advised me it would be disruptive to move a child’s school once they’ve already started.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513

    Radio 4 really pissed me off this morning

    Biden stumbled over “ballot” and it’s came out as halfway between “ballot” and “battle”. It didn’t interrupt the flow of his speech and was understandable given context

    Radio 4 reported it as a “major gaffe” that will renew “doubt” about his candidacy

    The man has a stutter FFS. What other disability would it be ok to mock?

    Its an odd stutter that names Putin as president of Ukraine, and Donald Trump as your own vice-President.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,434
    edited July 15

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    If numbers are falling shouldnt the Education Secretary be using this to improve teacher pupil ratios ?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,892
    moonshine said:

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    Suggest you try and get a place in a state primary near me and see what you think. There are none. ZERO. The council instead advised me it would be disruptive to move a child’s school once they’ve already started.
    Which county are you in?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,727

    Radio 4 really pissed me off this morning

    Biden stumbled over “ballot” and it’s came out as halfway between “ballot” and “battle”. It didn’t interrupt the flow of his speech and was understandable given context

    Radio 4 reported it as a “major gaffe” that will renew “doubt” about his candidacy

    The man has a stutter FFS. What other disability would it be ok to mock?

    It’s somehow pleasing to see “it’s just a stutter” still doing the rounds. Like seeing some genial old neighbour, long presumed dead, still shuffling to the corner shop
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513

    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/

    I'm amazed his insurance will cover it - a man in his late 70's with cancer?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,606
    edited July 15
    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    Funny when a post full of conspiracy theory rubbish gets the only verifiable fact in the whole thing wrong.

    The "guy with the world record longest sniper kill" is not American, red blooded or otherwise. In fact no US sniper is in the top 5 of the longest verified sniper kills. The first American comes in at number 8. The number 1 spot is held by a Ukrainian

    I assume the guy you are talking about is the one quoted in the Daily Mail (not exactly a recommendation in itself) .

    Except he is not American, he is Canadian and he does not hold the record for the longets sniper kill. He was simply part of the team that assisted the sniper who made the shot. Nor is that shot now the world record, having been superceded by the Ukrainian sniper last year.

    So as I say, the only 'verifiable' fact in your posting turns out to be wrong.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,727

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    “ Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X…” is as far as you need to read in that post.
    Until about a week ago you were still mewling that “it came from the wet market”. Which is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of all
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513

    TOPPING said:

    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/

    He didn't want to upstage his son.
    His son is lazy as last year showed.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/08/20/wheres-willy/
    Maybe, like me, he just doesn't care for women's football?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
    It's a pretty wide category as defined in their legislation.
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2023&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0200&pn=0723
    That legislation wouldn’t stop the sale of an AR-15 action, dressed up in some nice wood.

    Confronting the actual problem is politically too expensive in the US. Hence stuff like legislation against bayonet lugs…
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Quite a downbeat header !

    I think we need to recall that Phillipson's remit is England-only, not that makes too much difference in numbers etc as England is 80%+.

    My first question was what is "RAAC", apart from the thing said by the rooks in my nearest tree? But then I recalled Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete (RAAC).

    The latest numbers I can see for RAAC are quoted from Feb 2024, at ~0.5% of schools with "at least one building needs refurbishment / rebuild", at ~0.5% with less serious work required. TBH that's less than I was expecting. Are there later numbers?
    https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2024/02/08/new-guidance-on-raac-in-education-settings/

    I expect the standard Starmer approach to be 1) Some quick hits with results visible in 2-4 years and 2) Longer term planned things.

    How it will play out is like the rest - only time will tell.

    One more question - am I correct that the existing School Rebuilding Programme remains in place?

    On RAAC there was a lot of sound and fury, and a lot of place that might have had issues but don't.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,892

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    If numbers are falling shouldnt the Education Secretary be using this to improve teacher pupil ratios ?
    I agree, which is why I see this as an opportunity to change a few things.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    Funny when a post full of conspiracy theory rubbish gets the only verifiable fact in the whole thing wrong.

    The "guy with the world record longest sniper kill" is not American, red blooded or otherwise. In fact no US sniper is in the top 5 of the longest verified sniper kills. The first American comes in at number 8. The number 1 spot is held by a Ukrainian

    I assume the guy you are talking about is the one quoted in the Daily Mail (not exactly a recommendation in itself) .

    Except he is not American, he is Canadian and he does not hold the record for the longets sniper kill. He was simply part of the team that assisted the sniper who made the shot. Nor is that shot now the world record, having been superceded by the Ukrainian sniper last year.

    So as I say, the only 'verifiable' fact in your posting turns out to be wrong.
    What is bonkers is that this is outwith long shot sniping expertise anyway. The difficult bit is getting to the firing position not the actual shooting
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
    I'm disagreeing with that last para, because our perceptions *are* based on what they look like significantly.

    Which is why we have rules in the UK around imitation firearms.
    That legislation is to make it clear what is a toy and what is not.

    The basic point stands - gun control that is meaningful needs to restrict firearms by their capabilities, not pistol grips or rails or bayonets.

    Which is the kind of firearms control we have in the U.K.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    FPT

    Leon said:

    That song: point one the n+30 years of hurt sounds more precious and ridiculous as n increases, point 2 it suggests ingerland have home advantage so makes them look even more useless than they are.

    It's gonna be difficult when it inevitably goes into three figures and multiple syllables

    "Thirty years of hurt" etc etc. That's fine. "Eighty years of hurt" sounds a bit weird, needy and desperate, but at least it scans

    "Four hundred and sixty years of hurt, never stopped me dreaming" sounds completely insane, surreally comic, and simply doesn't scan
    Skinner and Baddiel were in their 30s when that song first came out, so "30 years" covered the period since their childhood. It doesn't really work once it starts spanning generations.
    Also, it claims that the four years when England were reigning world champions were years of hurt. Which is daft.
    Skinner and Baddiel were asked to write the lyrics to a song in 1996, not in 1998, and the managed to write the best ever football song.

    When they hit on that line, and one of them said, but hold on it's not 30 years but 28 years , what were they to do?

    "Twenty eight years of hurt"* lyrically messy.
    Should they wait another two years just to make the line accurate? - stupid idea.

    Or do they use a bit of songwriting license pen a great line in a song which is still being sung and discussed around the world 28 years later?



    *England played in Euro 1968 and didn't win so in 1996t it was 28 years not 26 as some here claim.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,434

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    If numbers are falling shouldnt the Education Secretary be using this to improve teacher pupil ratios ?
    I agree, which is why I see this as an opportunity to change a few things.
    You wont substantially change the ratios if youre taking in loads of extra pupils.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,293

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    If numbers are falling shouldnt the Education Secretary be using this to improve teacher pupil ratios ?
    Two reasons.

    One is that popular schools tend to have larger class sizes- they fill up to their published capacity, whereas less popular schools don't. So you could only reduce class sizes by letting fewer parents send their offspring to St Ofsted's... Good luck selling that.

    The other, more prosaic one, is buildings, number of classrooms in particular.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,727
    In about a week the deranged Democrats will go back to calling Trump “Hitler” - they can’t help themselves. A couple on TwiX are nearly there already

    There’s a reasonable chance, with this rhetoric, that someone will take ANOTHER pot shot at the Donald
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    I see the King is well enough to go to Australia but not Germany to support the football team.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/07/14/king-charles-australia-samoa-state-visit-camilla/

    I'm amazed his insurance will cover it - a man in his late 70's with cancer?
    I suspect his insurance is you and me, and nobody asked us. Alternatively perhaps he gets NHS type rights in Australia - does being king entail citizenship?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,874
    Morning all - Doug Burgum has slipped into fav position for veep on BF.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,434

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    If numbers are falling shouldnt the Education Secretary be using this to improve teacher pupil ratios ?
    Two reasons.

    One is that popular schools tend to have larger class sizes- they fill up to their published capacity, whereas less popular schools don't. So you could only reduce class sizes by letting fewer parents send their offspring to St Ofsted's... Good luck selling that.

    The other, more prosaic one, is buildings, number of classrooms in particular.
    Or reason three, Labour have an ideological play and havent thought this through. So there will be fk ups down the line.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,606
    eristdoof said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    That song: point one the n+30 years of hurt sounds more precious and ridiculous as n increases, point 2 it suggests ingerland have home advantage so makes them look even more useless than they are.

    It's gonna be difficult when it inevitably goes into three figures and multiple syllables

    "Thirty years of hurt" etc etc. That's fine. "Eighty years of hurt" sounds a bit weird, needy and desperate, but at least it scans

    "Four hundred and sixty years of hurt, never stopped me dreaming" sounds completely insane, surreally comic, and simply doesn't scan
    Skinner and Baddiel were in their 30s when that song first came out, so "30 years" covered the period since their childhood. It doesn't really work once it starts spanning generations.
    Also, it claims that the four years when England were reigning world champions were years of hurt. Which is daft.
    Skinner and Baddiel were asked to write the lyrics to a song in 1996, not in 1998, and the managed to write the best ever football song.

    When they hit on that line, and one of them said, but hold on it's not 30 years but 28 years , what were they to do?

    "Twenty eight years of hurt"* lyrically messy.
    Should they wait another two years just to make the line accurate? - stupid idea.

    Or do they use a bit of songwriting license pen a great line in a song which is still being sung and discussed around the world 28 years later?



    *England played in Euro 1968 and didn't win so in 1996t it was 28 years not 26 as some here claim.
    Though most people I know take the '30 years of hurt' to refer to the date since the 1966 world cup win. Not least because the line immediately preceding that one is 'Jules Rimet still gleaming', which of course is about the World Cup trophy.

    "Three lions on a shirt
    Jules Rimet still gleaming
    Thirty years of hurt
    never stopped me dreaming".

    It should work nicely for the 2026 World Cup when it will be 60 years fo hurt.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,874
    Leon said:

    In about a week the deranged Democrats will go back to calling Trump “Hitler” - they can’t help themselves. A couple on TwiX are nearly there already

    There’s a reasonable chance, with this rhetoric, that someone will take ANOTHER pot shot at the Donald

    How will a whacko get another chance? Security is going to be presumably off the scale now for both candidates until polling day.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,727

    Leon said:

    In about a week the deranged Democrats will go back to calling Trump “Hitler” - they can’t help themselves. A couple on TwiX are nearly there already

    There’s a reasonable chance, with this rhetoric, that someone will take ANOTHER pot shot at the Donald

    How will a whacko get another chance? Security is going to be presumably off the scale now for both candidates until polling day.
    Yes. It will be MUCH harder. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised if someone tries

    The way the Dems have gone from saying “Trump is worse than Hitler” to “everyone must dial down the rhetoric” is painfully comic. And transparently hypocritical

    Of course, it would have been better if they’d not gone hysterical a year ago. Then they wouldn’t be in this pickle. Likewise, it would have been better if they’d acknowledged Biden’s senility a year ago. But no
  • Simon_PeachSimon_Peach Posts: 424

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    And former independent school teachers with classes of 30 rather than 15 will be just the kind of increase in productivity that this country needs…
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,183
    This is damning...

    https://x.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1812592531772723482

    @xGPhilosophy
    England created less xG at Euro 2024 (6.43) than Croatia (7.10).

    Croatia went out at the Group Stage.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,513
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    “ Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X…” is as far as you need to read in that post.
    Until about a week ago you were still mewling that “it came from the wet market”. Which is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of all
    Its not. Previous pandemics have arisen in such circumstances.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646
    Leon said:

    In about a week the deranged Democrats will go back to calling Trump “Hitler” - they can’t help themselves. A couple on TwiX are nearly there already

    There’s a reasonable chance, with this rhetoric, that someone will take ANOTHER pot shot at the Donald

    One suspects that we’ve seen the last outdoor political rally for some time. The Secret Service are now going to want every event attended by the candidates totally locked down and entirely under their own control, which means hiring an arena or a theatre rather than using a local showground.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,458
    Stereodog said:

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    I hate that kind of statement because it mixes up improbable with impossible. Just because something is improbable doesn’t mean it can’t happen. It’s like Michael Fagan getting into the Queen’s bedroom, sometimes the exact combination of security lapses combine with someone’s actions and something that shouldn’t happen happens.
    It's like the Swiss cheese metaphor for the causes of aeroplane crashes. Every layer of safety has a few holes, like a slice of Swiss cheese. When you stack them up, the holes in each layer are normally blocked by another layer, but very occasionally all the holes happen to line up in one place and disaster happens.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,238
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    In about a week the deranged Democrats will go back to calling Trump “Hitler” - they can’t help themselves. A couple on TwiX are nearly there already

    There’s a reasonable chance, with this rhetoric, that someone will take ANOTHER pot shot at the Donald

    One suspects that we’ve seen the last outdoor political rally for some time. The Secret Service are now going to want every event attended by the candidates totally locked down and entirely under their own control, which means hiring an arena or a theatre rather than using a local showground.
    They could have tried sweeping nearby rooves prior to an event. To be perfectly frank it was an ideal point for one of their own counter-snipers. I can't fathom how on earth they missed that roof, it is such an unbelievably clear sniper point.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,209
    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Some Academy chains do work.

    Look at STAR, for example. It’s a fantastic organisation that is having a massive impact on the lives of hundreds on underprivileged children

    Some LEAs were brilliant; some were awful.
    Point is that academisation hasn't really improved anything overall, and has in some cases made things worse.
    And has been a huge distraction from doing anything useful.
    I did some work not so long ago for an Academy, It's one of the few times I've come across plain bribery and corruption in the UK. The others were the Rail industry and Water,
    Can you say what @Alanbrooke and what do you do?
    I did some work for a subcontractor to a major subcontractor to utilities in water industry. Virtually everyone was as bent as bent. Site lads stealing cables for copper scrap. Christmas bonuses supplied to the various managers (in the next level above) in brown envelopes. A huge custom made stainless steel BBQ made by the bottom tier contractor for a manager at the mid tier contractor and booked to a job being done "cost plus" for a utility. Portacabins delivered to suppliers and "lost".

    The only thing worse than the corruption was the general waste and incompetence. To give a typical example, we had facilities to make up custom pipe brackets. It wasn't unusual for site managers to forget to order them (bearing in mind that virtually all they had to on most sites was order in and install simple pipework to drawing), and we'd charge 5x the price to do them as a rush job (often it meant people driving round the country with one set of brackets in the boot of their car, paying a minimum order price for 250kg of galvanising for a 10kg item etc.). On several occasions I did all this, rocked up at site with the "urgent" brackets, to spot the original set they had lost lying in the grass at the site of the site managers office.

    I could go on and on - e.g. turning up on a site to find a manager instructing a lad to cut up a pallet of brand new harras fencing to go in a skip because it was easier than booking it back into stores, but you get - but you get the picture. The whole attitude was "It's all someone else's money, so who cares".

    I'm glad I'm well out of it (although I'm now involved in the railway industry, where we can easily make a £50 bracket cost £500, although that's more to do with "following the process" effects).
  • eekeek Posts: 28,440
    tlg86 said:

    This is damning...

    https://x.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1812592531772723482

    @xGPhilosophy
    England created less xG at Euro 2024 (6.43) than Croatia (7.10).

    Croatia went out at the Group Stage.

    We won't win anything with Harry Kane in the squad - he's a talisman for near but not quite...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    And former independent school teachers with classes of 30 rather than 15 will be just the kind of increase in productivity that this country needs…
    How many of the former private school teachers will have the correct qualifications for the state sector?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,892
    edited July 15

    theakes said:

    Then she has the Private Schools Vat fee mess to sort out with what 40,000 - 80,000 children suddenly transferring into the State system and requiring extra teachers and resources.
    What you say you will do when in Opposition is not the same as what you can do in Government.

    If 40000 to 80000 schoolchildren move into the state system I am sure they can be accommodated in this falling rolls environment. The teachers laid off by the independent sector will follow them.

    Not sure I would label it as a "mess", more an "opportunity"
    If numbers are falling shouldnt the Education Secretary be using this to improve teacher pupil ratios ?
    Two reasons.

    One is that popular schools tend to have larger class sizes- they fill up to their published capacity, whereas less popular schools don't. So you could only reduce class sizes by letting fewer parents send their offspring to St Ofsted's... Good luck selling that.

    The other, more prosaic one, is buildings, number of classrooms in particular.
    Schools can often be "flavour of the month", and bob up and down in popularity. Look at Caversham Primary. I used to live and work near there and it was always THE place to send your children. Long waiting lists etc. Then along comes OFSTED and it is unsatisfactory needing a new headteacher.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    DuraAce, FPT, misses a point.

    ...The character of the weapon isn't really germane because there are plenty of other less scary rifles that will kill somebody if you shoot them in the head at 120m...

    If, as Democrats have long campaigned for, automatic weapons like the AR15 were banned, the shooter would likely have gotten off maybe a couple of shots, rather than half a dozen.

    I don’t think that the Democrats, as a party, have argued for the banning on semi-automatic weapons as a class. Or even long barrelled semi-automatic weapons. Those are the things that might make a difference.

    Full auto weapons are regulated, already, to an almost sensible level.

    What they have argued for, is a ban on “assault weapons”. Which is a bit futile, since the same barrel and action can be packaged in a nice, safe looking wood.

    Regulating firearms by what they look like is silly. It’s what they do that is the issue.
    It's a pretty wide category as defined in their legislation.
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2023&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0200&pn=0723
    That legislation wouldn’t stop the sale of an AR-15 action, dressed up in some nice wood.

    Confronting the actual problem is politically too expensive in the US. Hence stuff like legislation against bayonet lugs…
    Had it been able to be passed, the weapon in question could nt have been sold, or would have been confiscated.
    As it stands, the SC will strike down any such legislation anyway.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481
    I see the Thomas Crooks who is said to have donated $15 to Act Blue is now claimed not to be the same guy. He's a 69 year old, apparently.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,481

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X from impressively credentialed snipers, special forces and vip protection types. Basic position is that it’s “inconceivable” that a “dungeons and dragons playing 20yr old” could have got to that roof and made the shot without assistance. Whether it’s local law enforcement or a mole in the secret service they cannot say.

    Now, cockup vs conspiracy and all that. But when you have heroes of red blooded Americans saying this to millions, such as the guy with the world record longest sniper kill, we might assume a societal reaction of some sort.

    “ Quite a few videos doing the rounds on TikTok/X…” is as far as you need to read in that post.
    Until about a week ago you were still mewling that “it came from the wet market”. Which is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of all
    Its not. Previous pandemics have arisen in such circumstances.
    More to the point, it's a hypothesis, not a conspiracy theory.
    Though I'm not entirely surprised Leon doesn't see the difference.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,727
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    In about a week the deranged Democrats will go back to calling Trump “Hitler” - they can’t help themselves. A couple on TwiX are nearly there already

    There’s a reasonable chance, with this rhetoric, that someone will take ANOTHER pot shot at the Donald

    One suspects that we’ve seen the last outdoor political rally for some time. The Secret Service are now going to want every event attended by the candidates totally locked down and entirely under their own control, which means hiring an arena or a theatre rather than using a local showground.
    They could have tried sweeping nearby rooves prior to an event. To be perfectly frank it was an ideal point for one of their own counter-snipers. I can't fathom how on earth they missed that roof, it is such an unbelievably clear sniper point.
    It is increasingly suspicious. The roof is so close and clearly the best place to shoot from. There are also photos of the ladder he calmly put in place to climb the roof. No one noticed ANY of this? Well yeah, the rally goers noticed and told the cops - who did nothing for several minutes

    The flag is also apparently a no-no. That indicates wind speed/direction to a sniper - they use them at firing ranges

    https://tecmagex.com/en/mtm-wind-reader-shooting-range-flag.html

    Could still easily be a cock-up, of course. But if so it is monumental

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