Completely insane even by the standards of the 'new' Telegraph! Reds under the beds.....let's all check
Why is it 'insane'?
Russia - and to a lesser extent China - want to destabilise the west. And such protests are an ideal way of doing it (as were the never-ending Brexit arguments...).
Earlier this week, I posted a link showing that in the 70s and 80s, Russia spread anti-western and anti-Semitic content - including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - throughout the Middle East. Mow, Russia are flying in immigrants and taking them to the border with Poland and other states, in order to provide pressure on those countries. I would not be surprised if they were behind much of the cross-Channel shenanigans as well.
Russia and China may not be involving themselves with these protests; but it's hardly 'insane' to think that they might be.
Even if you were prepared to give that nonsense house room wouldn't you question the fact it was written by an Israeli based in Tel Aviv with access to the innermost thoughts of British intelligence?
It's not that we cannot survive outside the EU. We obviously can, it's just an unnecessary handicap, like dragging a ball and chain everywhere.
We gain a lot of freedoms back by Rejoining.
We can probably survive outside.
We can thrive (again) as members.
Hmm. I'm not sure people realise the subtle changes in the EU since we left. The German economy is having issues with increased oil and gas prices impacting their chemical and manufacturing industry, and reduced sales of equipment to China. France is becoming more powerful, but so are the eastern European nations. I'm not sure they would want us back or it would be at a price worth paying. We really might have to address our problems at home first - low growth and productivity, lack of food and energy security, high taxation that isn't giving us the social benefits that it should, and an NHS that really is not delivering the health outcomes it should for the money spent.
I'm starting to think that (shudder) Liz Truss was right in the sense that a stopped clock is sometimes right. We need growth. Badly. How do we get it?
Join the single market.
Membership of the single market delivered a record trade deficit.
That might have more to do with UK industrial policy over the last 45 years. Have single market members West Germany and latterly the unified Germany been running trade deficits over the last 30 or 40 years?
I do love your proclamations, and you've made several this evening. You remind me of Eric Cantona. “When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea ".
It *is* more to do with British economic policy over the last 45 years, but that just demonstrates that if you want to improve the British economy you have to sort out British economic policy. Rejoining the EU is not the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
Rejoining the EU is not the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
Brexit was a bet against Geography. Geography won.
Having millions of customers (and suppliers) on our doorstep is in fact the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
It's not that we cannot survive outside the EU. We obviously can, it's just an unnecessary handicap, like dragging a ball and chain everywhere.
We gain a lot of freedoms back by Rejoining.
We can probably survive outside.
We can thrive (again) as members.
Hmm. I'm not sure people realise the subtle changes in the EU since we left. The German economy is having issues with increased oil and gas prices impacting their chemical and manufacturing industry, and reduced sales of equipment to China. France is becoming more powerful, but so are the eastern European nations. I'm not sure they would want us back or it would be at a price worth paying. We really might have to address our problems at home first - low growth and productivity, lack of food and energy security, high taxation that isn't giving us the social benefits that it should, and an NHS that really is not delivering the health outcomes it should for the money spent.
I'm starting to think that (shudder) Liz Truss was right in the sense that a stopped clock is sometimes right. We need growth. Badly. How do we get it?
Join the single market.
Membership of the single market delivered a record trade deficit.
That might have more to do with UK industrial policy over the last 45 years. Have single market members West Germany and latterly the unified Germany been running trade deficits over the last 30 or 40 years?
I do love your proclamations, and you've made several this evening. You remind me of Eric Cantona. “When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea ".
It *is* more to do with British economic policy over the last 45 years, but that just demonstrates that if you want to improve the British economy you have to sort out British economic policy. Rejoining the EU is not the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
I never said it was, but frictionless trade with our largest and closest trading partners would certainly help. As that is no longer available the nation will have to be more imaginative as to how it conducts export policy.
Completely insane even by the standards of the 'new' Telegraph! Reds under the beds.....let's all check
Why is it 'insane'?
Russia - and to a lesser extent China - want to destabilise the west. And such protests are an ideal way of doing it (as were the never-ending Brexit arguments...).
Earlier this week, I posted a link showing that in the 70s and 80s, Russia spread anti-western and anti-Semitic content - including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - throughout the Middle East. Mow, Russia are flying in immigrants and taking them to the border with Poland and other states, in order to provide pressure on those countries. I would not be surprised if they were behind much of the cross-Channel shenanigans as well.
Russia and China may not be involving themselves with these protests; but it's hardly 'insane' to think that they might be.
Even if you were prepared to give that nonsense house room wouldn't you question the fact it was written by an Israeli based in Tel Aviv with access to the innermost thoughts of British intelligence?
Even liars can occasionally tell the truth, especially when it suits them. The claim is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
"Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sets out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip. ... "If you put the national over personal, you will find in us partners in the struggle," he said. "But if you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss, we will be forced to quit the government.""
Rejoining the EU is not the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
Brexit was a bet against Geography. Geography won.
Having millions of customers (and suppliers) on our doorstep is in fact the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
My argument isn't that EU membership has no economic benefit.
My argument is only that the benefit of EU membership is smaller than the benefit that would accrue if government policy succeeded in: increasing business investment, increasing investment in public infrastructure, reduced living expenses (and more generally reduced the cost base of doing business in Britain), improved the skills of British workers, etc.
These seem to have been problems before Britain was an EEC/EU member, during our membership, and now after our membership.
"Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sets out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip. ... "If you put the national over personal, you will find in us partners in the struggle," he said. "But if you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss, we will be forced to quit the government.""
Completely insane even by the standards of the 'new' Telegraph! Reds under the beds.....let's all check
Why is it 'insane'?
Russia - and to a lesser extent China - want to destabilise the west. And such protests are an ideal way of doing it (as were the never-ending Brexit arguments...).
Earlier this week, I posted a link showing that in the 70s and 80s, Russia spread anti-western and anti-Semitic content - including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - throughout the Middle East. Mow, Russia are flying in immigrants and taking them to the border with Poland and other states, in order to provide pressure on those countries. I would not be surprised if they were behind much of the cross-Channel shenanigans as well.
Russia and China may not be involving themselves with these protests; but it's hardly 'insane' to think that they might be.
Even if you were prepared to give that nonsense house room wouldn't you question the fact it was written by an Israeli based in Tel Aviv with access to the innermost thoughts of British intelligence?
Even liars can occasionally tell the truth, especially when it suits them. The claim is certainly within the bounds of possibility.
Having EU border guards apply their controls to British citizens and access to a British territory through a RAF airbase is unacceptable.
RAF Gibraltar (such as it is) is a hangar with somewhere to plug a kettle in on the north side of the aerodrome. Frontex will be at the civilian airport on the south side. It's nothing to do with the RAF.
No, RAF Gibraltar is a joint civil-military base. The civilian air terminal is on the north side adjacent to the air traffic control tower, which is labelled RAF Gibraltar; it's owned by the Ministry of Defence (MoD), and the aerodrome is operated by the RAF. The hangar is actually on the south side. And it's perfectly large enough to accommodate aircraft.
When did you last go to Gibraltar, or have you never gone?
The point is that most (almost all) passengers currently transiting through RAF Gibraltar are Britons visiting fellow Britons (I include Gibraltarians in that) and vice-versa. It's the lifeline. The link. It'd be an outrage for their free movement through our territory to be subject to humourless proto-Junckers, Schinas's and Selmayrs in Frontex, covered in their crap blue outfits and carrying a service weapon, whilst shaking our people down for ETIAs, fingerprints, and visas - and deciding who comes in and who doesn't.
The Spanish can keep coming through the main frontier border, just as they do today, maybe with a "Gibraltar access pass/visa" that makes it easier if they work there routinely. The same can operate in reverse.
Rejoining the EU is not the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
Brexit was a bet against Geography. Geography won.
Having millions of customers (and suppliers) on our doorstep is in fact the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
My argument isn't that EU membership has no economic benefit.
My argument is only that the benefit of EU membership is smaller than the benefit that would accrue if government policy succeeded in: increasing business investment, increasing investment in public infrastructure, reduced living expenses (and more generally reduced the cost base of doing business in Britain), improved the skills of British workers, etc.
These seem to have been problems before Britain was an EEC/EU member, during our membership, and now after our membership.
Back in the early days of our membership you may recall we were the sick man of Europe and as such we had European Social Fund investment to attract new tertiary manufacturing to replace primary industries that were dying on their arse. That has now all but gone, but it kept the wolf from the door for a while longer than it otherwise might.
If I could turn back time I would try to persuade Thatcher that allowing and encouraging foreign ownership of UK companies was a bad idea. It didn't bring the investment anticipated, quite the reverse. Our assets were stripped and the best bits taken home by the foreign owners.
Rejoining the EU is not the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
Brexit was a bet against Geography. Geography won.
Having millions of customers (and suppliers) on our doorstep is in fact the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
My argument isn't that EU membership has no economic benefit.
My argument is only that the benefit of EU membership is smaller than the benefit that would accrue if government policy succeeded in: increasing business investment, increasing investment in public infrastructure, reduced living expenses (and more generally reduced the cost base of doing business in Britain), improved the skills of British workers, etc.
These seem to have been problems before Britain was an EEC/EU member, during our membership, and now after our membership.
"Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sets out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip. ... "If you put the national over personal, you will find in us partners in the struggle," he said. "But if you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss, we will be forced to quit the government.""
"Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sets out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip. ... "If you put the national over personal, you will find in us partners in the struggle," he said. "But if you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss, we will be forced to quit the government.""
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Having millions of customers (and suppliers) on our doorstep is in fact the most important determinant of whether the UK succeeds as an economy over the next few decades.
My wider point remains: this is exactly the sort of sh*t that the Russians in particular do. e.g.:
https://ecre.org/eu-eastern-borders-migrants-along-belarus-polish-border-suffer-as-winter-sets-in-amid-extension-of-internal-border-checks-along-poland-slovakia-border-hungary-launches-another-anti-eu-national-consu/
"Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sets out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip.
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"If you put the national over personal, you will find in us partners in the struggle," he said. "But if you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss, we will be forced to quit the government.""
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cekkz82gnzgo
My argument is only that the benefit of EU membership is smaller than the benefit that would accrue if government policy succeeded in: increasing business investment, increasing investment in public infrastructure, reduced living expenses (and more generally reduced the cost base of doing business in Britain), improved the skills of British workers, etc.
These seem to have been problems before Britain was an EEC/EU member, during our membership, and now after our membership.
The World would be a safer place with Benny Gantz out of power.
NEW THREAD
When did you last go to Gibraltar, or have you never gone?
The point is that most (almost all) passengers currently transiting through RAF Gibraltar are Britons visiting fellow Britons (I include Gibraltarians in that) and vice-versa. It's the lifeline. The link. It'd be an outrage for their free movement through our territory to be subject to humourless proto-Junckers, Schinas's and Selmayrs in Frontex, covered in their crap blue outfits and carrying a service weapon, whilst shaking our people down for ETIAs, fingerprints, and visas - and deciding who comes in and who doesn't.
The Spanish can keep coming through the main frontier border, just as they do today, maybe with a "Gibraltar access pass/visa" that makes it easier if they work there routinely. The same can operate in reverse.
No smudging of the airport. No Schengen. No deal.
If I could turn back time I would try to persuade Thatcher that allowing and encouraging foreign ownership of UK companies was a bad idea. It didn't bring the investment anticipated, quite the reverse. Our assets were stripped and the best bits taken home by the foreign owners.
That's what this is about.