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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,867
    US Air Force says AI-controlled F-16 fighter jet has been dogfighting with humans
    https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/18/darpa_f16_flight/

    In case you thought pb needed more AI news.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    edited April 20
    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,867
    'Evasive' Boris Johnson broke strict rules again by 'refusing to be open' about links to firm
    Tory peer Lord Pickles said Boris Johnson has 'refused to be open' about his relationship with Merlyn Advisors after meeting Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro with its boss

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/evasive-boris-johnson-broke-strict-32623736

    It's not Jeremy Corbyn with shady links to Venezuela.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355

    US Air Force says AI-controlled F-16 fighter jet has been dogfighting with humans
    https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/18/darpa_f16_flight/

    In case you thought pb needed more AI news.

    I didn't.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Figures not out yet but Observers Opinium remains a 16 point lead this week according to their 'Labour target the over 65s' report
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    Bad boy; good, I think great poet.

    I love this.

    Well — well, the world must turn upon its axis,
    And all mankind turn with it, heads or tails,
    And live and die, make love and pay our taxes,
    And as the veering wind shifts, shift our sails;
    The king commands us, and the doctor quacks us,
    The priest instructs, and so our life exhales,
    A little breath, love, wine, ambition, fame,
    Fighting, devotion, dust,— perhaps a name.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    ydoethur said:

    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'

    Her district is full of in bred trailer trash so they’ll still vote for the Putin arse licker .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    Nigelb said:

    Bad boy; good, I think great poet.

    I love this.

    Well — well, the world must turn upon its axis,
    And all mankind turn with it, heads or tails,
    And live and die, make love and pay our taxes,
    And as the veering wind shifts, shift our sails;
    The king commands us, and the doctor quacks us,
    The priest instructs, and so our life exhales,
    A little breath, love, wine, ambition, fame,
    Fighting, devotion, dust,— perhaps a name.
    I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
    The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars
    Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
    Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
    Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;
    Morn came and went—and came, and brought no day,
    And men forgot their passions in the dread
    Of this their desolation; and all hearts
    Were chill'd into a selfish prayer for light:
    And they did live by watchfires—and the thrones,
    The palaces of crowned kings—the huts,
    The habitations of all things which dwell,
    Were burnt for beacons; cities were consum'd,
    And men were gather'd round their blazing homes
    To look once more into each other's face;
    Happy were those who dwelt within the eye
    Of the volcanos, and their mountain-torch:
    A fearful hope was all the world contain'd;

    And then they elected Trump...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    nico679 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'

    Her district is full of in bred trailer trash so they’ll still vote for the Putin arse licker .
    But it will really, *really* piss her off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Even in the historical Centre around Chatelet & Les Halles - after 8pm it takes on a very threatening feel compared to the day..

    I’m trying to remember if I found anywhere within zone 2 of London (just a random way of thinking about the larger centre of London) remotely threatening at night and it wasn’t as far as I remember. I found central Geneva at night much more dangerous and dodgy with lots of mates being mugged a lot, girls threatened by big gangs of guys.

    Maybe because our drinking culture you are more likely to get into a scrap in a bar than when everyone is wandering around pissed on the streets en masse.
    I’m in Les Halles now. My god. Horribly menacing

    Groups of men all drinking. Hundreds. Like a convention or aggressive young hobos. Very few women. This is meant to be the Parisian Covent Garden



    I mean, they look friendly don’t they. Charming French characters. Might go over for a chat about patisserie
    Why are your photos blurred? Are you taking pictures of Bigfoot?
    Shaking with fear ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    I received a postal vote two days ago.

    Shame it was for the person who lives in the same house number in the next street, but you can't win them all.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Imagine watching 3 seasons of Emily in Paris then actually coming here. Lol

    Isn’t there the “Paris syndrome” thingy where Japanese tourists (and others) were so discombobulated by the disconnect between their preconceptions of Paris v the reality?
    Talking of France’s dark side, has anyone seen Roger on here recently?
    Shamefully I hadn't noticed his absence. Is he OK?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    VALUE
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    During the 2016 presidential election, I mused over this question: Did the fairly open Russian support for Trump hurt him, or help him? (Putin and company aren't all that popular, here.)

    I never came to a conclusion on the question, because the data wasn't available and, as far as I know, still isn't.

    (For the record: I advised friends and family to vote for Trump if social sissues were most important to them, for Clinton if foreign policy was, and for the Libertarian, if economic issues were. I cast a write-in vote for Mitt Romney, secure in the knowledge that, in this Democratic state, the chance that my vote would make a difference was close to zero.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    edited April 20

    US Air Force says AI-controlled F-16 fighter jet has been dogfighting with humans
    https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/18/darpa_f16_flight/

    In case you thought pb needed more AI news.

    Shouldn't that be dogfighting with planes?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Aaaaaand relax




    I feel like I’ve just done some hardcore war journalism. All I did was walk around Paris
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    Any polling for May 2nd now has a sexy 'exit' aspect to it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    nico679 said:

    112 GOP votes to side with Putin .

    Utter scum , rot in hell .

    Overall however the House voted by a comfortable 311 to 112 margin for more aid for Ukraine.

    Well done Speaker Johnson for getting it through despite the rebels from his own party
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    During the 2016 presidential election, I mused over this question: Did the fairly open Russian support for Trump hurt him, or help him? (Putin and company aren't all that popular, here.)

    I never came to a conclusion on the question, because the data wasn't available and, as far as I know, still isn't.

    (For the record: I advised friends and family to vote for Trump if social sissues were most important to them, for Clinton if foreign policy was, and for the Libertarian, if economic issues were. I cast a write-in vote for Mitt Romney, secure in the knowledge that, in this Democratic state, the chance that my vote would make a difference was close to zero.)

    Do you regret your advice re Trump?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    112 GOP votes to side with Putin .

    Utter scum , rot in hell .

    Overall however the House voted by a comfortable 311 to 112 margin for more aid for Ukraine.

    Well done Speaker Johnson for getting it through despite the rebels from his own party
    I suspect by tomorrow it will be ex-Speaker Johnson. Even if the Democrats support him half his caucus rebelling suggest he's goosed.

    Would be hilarious if the seat is force vacated again and the Republican caucus with its tiny majority and massive splits saw Hakeem Jeffries elected instead.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    VALUE

    Care to add details? I assume you're referring to the header, yes?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    Did she?

    She turned up to Trump's inauguration. She phoned to congratulate him as the winner. She wrote a book about her loss.

    So, I'm just wondering about the evidence for the statement "Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too."

    Could you perhaps enlighten me?
    Certainly.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

    Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday.
    That in no way backs up your claims that "Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too."

    I have searched the internet, and while there are plenty of polls that show that people believe that Russia interfered in the election*, I was only able to find one - a September 2017 poll from The Washington Post-University of Maryland - that showed that 1 in 10 Americans believed that Clinton actually won the 2016 election.

    * In that they sowed discord via social media, which is true.
    Not even Clinton believes that she won the election.

    She thinks it was stolen from her (not entirely without evidence… but there again she set herself up), but that’s not the same thing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    edited April 20

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    I don't even know whether there are any elections in this area. Shows how my interest in them has dropped recently.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    Yes, me too albeit just a rather pointless PCC election.

    I do think that the feeling against Tories at Local level isn't as venomous as it is for Parliament, so won't be too severe losses, saving Sunaks paneer for a bit longer.
  • lintolinto Posts: 38
    ydoethur said:

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    I received a postal vote two days ago.

    Shame it was for the person who lives in the same house number in the next street, but you can't win them all.
    Who did they vote for?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    I’ve got a massive gin and tonic and a classic hot French onion soup with emmental croutons in a classically bourgeois old brasserie near the Avenue George V. God I love Paris




  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    2 different reactions to the House vote

    @ZelenskyyUa
    I am grateful to the United States House of Representatives, both parties, and personally Speaker Mike Johnson for the decision that keeps history on the right track.

    Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it. The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.

    Just peace and security can only be attained through strength.

    We hope that bills will be supported in the Senate and sent to President Biden’s desk. Thank you, America!
    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1781742984423215262


    @RepMTG
    Zelensky thanks Speaker Mike Johnson (D-Ukraine) for sending $61 BILLION of your hard-earned tax dollars to fuel a foreign war.

    Johnson once again passed a bill with the help of Democrats while the majority of the Republican majority voted against it.

    Not only is Mike Johnson a traitor to our conference, he’s a traitor to our country.
    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1781752811585188230
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    HYUFD said:

    2 different reactions to the House vote

    @ZelenskyyUa
    I am grateful to the United States House of Representatives, both parties, and personally Speaker Mike Johnson for the decision that keeps history on the right track.

    Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it. The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.

    Just peace and security can only be attained through strength.

    We hope that bills will be supported in the Senate and sent to President Biden’s desk. Thank you, America!
    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1781742984423215262


    @RepMTG
    Zelensky thanks Speaker Mike Johnson (D-Ukraine) for sending $61 BILLION of your hard-earned tax dollars to fuel a foreign war.

    Johnson once again passed a bill with the help of Democrats while the majority of the Republican majority voted against it.

    Not only is Mike Johnson a traitor to our conference, he’s a traitor to our country.
    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1781752811585188230

    @TheScreamingEagles @rcs1000

    Can we have a 24 hour relaxation on the banning of a certain word so we can call this woman what she is?

    Or would that be unfair to c....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    Andy_JS said:

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    I don't even know whether there are any elections in this area. Shows how my interest in them has dropped recently.
    Locally we’ve a P&FC election. No postal ballot papers yet. Think they went out on Friday, so expect them Tuesday or Wednesday.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    During the 2016 presidential election, I mused over this question: Did the fairly open Russian support for Trump hurt him, or help him? (Putin and company aren't all that popular, here.)

    I never came to a conclusion on the question, because the data wasn't available and, as far as I know, still isn't.

    (For the record: I advised friends and family to vote for Trump if social sissues were most important to them, for Clinton if foreign policy was, and for the Libertarian, if economic issues were. I cast a write-in vote for Mitt Romney, secure in the knowledge that, in this Democratic state, the chance that my vote would make a difference was close to zero.)

    I don't know if it was a big thing then. From memory, the issues were Clinton's emails, Trump's grabbing of p***y, and various ad-hominems. Happy to be contradicted.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    viewcode said:

    VALUE

    Care to add details? I assume you're referring to the header, yes?
    ***BETTING POST***

    Nope, different Mayor, but I have found Ladbrokes offering Sadiq at 20/1 for a 35-40% voteshare, and 33/1 beneath 35%, but only 10/11 for the 40-45% band.

    He's got 43% and 46% in recent opinion polls, but you can see how it wouldn't take much of an enthusiasm/turnout dip for him to poll 38% or 39% under FPTP, and then that bet comes in. 20/1 (22/1 boosted) is good value. I've taken a bite.

    Basically, they've priced the 40-50% band too tightly off the back of the polls, IMHO.

    DYOR.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    112 GOP votes to side with Putin .

    Utter scum , rot in hell .

    Overall however the House voted by a comfortable 311 to 112 margin for more aid for Ukraine.

    Well done Speaker Johnson for getting it through despite the rebels from his own party
    I suspect by tomorrow it will be ex-Speaker Johnson. Even if the Democrats support him half his caucus rebelling suggest he's goosed.

    Would be hilarious if the seat is force vacated again and the Republican caucus with its tiny majority and massive splits saw Hakeem Jeffries elected instead.
    I wouldn’t be astonished were he to remain in post until November.
    Could tip either way.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    *I should add it's still more likely Sadiq polls 47% or 48% as part of a kick-the-Tories out vibe with these massive Labour leads. However, he is the incumbent, not massively popular, London has some interesting hot spots for the Tories, and Shaun Bailey overperformed last time.

    So while sub-40% in voteshare isn't particularly likely, it's nowhere near 20/1 unlikely. I'd say it's a 1/4 shot not a 1/20.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    OldKingCole: Fair question. My friends and family are almost all in states that weren't going to be close. I think at the time I said I wasn't sure what I would do, were I voting in a state that was close. The Loser was signficantly worse as president, than I was expecting at the time.

    Perhaps I should add that I very much wanted to see the Supreme Court show some respect for our Civil Rights laws, so we can judge people as individuals, not as members of groups.

    And -- this may surprise some -- arguments by pro-abortion people, notably Playboy's Hugh Hefner, had persuaded me that we should discourage abortion, and that we should decide how to do so, democratically.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Why the fuck should you call for her to back down when you don't call for the looney wing of the trans ideoligists to stand down? Now if you had called for both then fair enough but you didn't
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,239

    Omnium said:

    Middlesex are exploring the possibility of leaving Lord’s and making their main home at a newly developed ground in northwest London. The club have played at and operated out of the world’s most famous cricket ground since their foundation in 1864 but have only ever been tenants as the site is owned by MCC.

    The Middlesex chief executive Andrew Cornish told The Sunday Times that a lot of people were interested in investing in cricket and “the Middlesex brand internationally is very strong”, indicating the likely involvement of overseas backers.

    One option would be for the club to be based at another ground with some big games still played at Lord’s.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/cricket/article/middlesex-considering-leaving-lords-cricket-county-championship-zn876m06m

    I can't make head or tail of the reasoning. Perhaps no revenue from mcc members that they might get otherwise?
    Middlesex executives insist there are no feelings of bitterness when they look across the Thames at the financial powerhouse that their London neighbours Surrey have become, but they could be forgiven for being a little jealous.

    Surrey recently announced a profit of £8 million on a turnover of £65 million, of which around half came from the kind of conferencing and hospitality events that Middlesex struggle to put on because they do not own their own ground. Lord’s, where they play most of their home games, is a cash-cow on a par with the Oval — but for MCC, the owners, not their tenants. Middlesex were this year pleased simply to announce a surplus of £131,000, their first profit since 2016.

    Who hasn't looked across the Thames to South London and felt a pang of jealousy?
    A pang of something anyway…

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    It’s the old fashioned brasseries that save Paris. That and the architecture. No matter how shit the human condition you can sink into a red velvet banquette on the corner of a Haussmann boulevard and have foie gras and gingerbread, or andouilettes and chips

    The same goes for London and pubs and culture. No matter how depressing the conditions there is a welcoming pub with a roaring clientele and everyone is jolly and you’re in the city of Shakespeare and Churchill and Dickens and William the Bastard. You will endure
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    viewcode said:

    VALUE

    Care to add details? I assume you're referring to the header, yes?
    ***BETTING POST***

    Nope, different Mayor, but I have found Ladbrokes offering Sadiq at 20/1 for a 35-40% voteshare, and 33/1 beneath 35%, but only 10/11 for the 40-45% band.

    He's got 43% and 46% in recent opinion polls, but you can see how it wouldn't take much of an enthusiasm/turnout dip for him to poll 38% or 39% under FPTP, and then that bet comes in. 20/1 (22/1 boosted) is good value. I've taken a bite.

    Basically, they've priced the 40-50% band too tightly off the back of the polls, IMHO.

    DYOR.
    Worth a try. Good luck.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    During the 2016 presidential election, I mused over this question: Did the fairly open Russian support for Trump hurt him, or help him? (Putin and company aren't all that popular, here.)

    I never came to a conclusion on the question, because the data wasn't available and, as far as I know, still isn't.

    (For the record: I advised friends and family to vote for Trump if social sissues were most important to them, for Clinton if foreign policy was, and for the Libertarian, if economic issues were. I cast a write-in vote for Mitt Romney, secure in the knowledge that, in this Democratic state, the chance that my vote would make a difference was close to zero.)

    What really tipped the election was Comey’s last minute intervention.

    Trump almost certainly benefitted from illegal Russian help, but I don’t think he’d have won without the FBI director’s blunder - which came too late to be successfully rebutted.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    I’ve got a massive gin and tonic and a classic hot French onion soup with emmental croutons in a classically bourgeois old brasserie near the Avenue George V. God I love Paris




    Are you sure someone hasn't had a pank in your soup ?
    It does look like a filled chamber pot doesn’t it?

    However it is fucking delicious. Possibly cause I walked 8 miles in wintry cold (it’s freezing here) staring at the existential decline of the city of light. So the soup was enormously bienvenue
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    edited April 20

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    OK, here's a question. Pure fantasy, because it will never happen, but if it did:

    Trump is the Rep nominee, but has been convicted of his many frauds and is serving 11 years in New York. So Biden wins 70/30. His win has coattails so Dems control 2/3 of each house of Congress plus 75% of the States.

    What constitutional reforms would they enact?

    (Now let's remember, first up, that they will be changes to benefit the Dems, not representing America as a whole. So we can forget repealing the Second Amendment.)

    I would guess:

    Abolish the EC. President elected by nationwide popular vote.
    Abolish the special status of DC.
    Age limits for Supreme Court Justices.

    What else?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    nico679 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'

    Her district is full of in bred trailer trash so they’ll still vote for the Putin arse licker .
    Not wanting to defend Moscow Marjorie but those are the type of comments which make people vote for her (and Trump).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    Nigelb said:

    During the 2016 presidential election, I mused over this question: Did the fairly open Russian support for Trump hurt him, or help him? (Putin and company aren't all that popular, here.)

    I never came to a conclusion on the question, because the data wasn't available and, as far as I know, still isn't.

    (For the record: I advised friends and family to vote for Trump if social sissues were most important to them, for Clinton if foreign policy was, and for the Libertarian, if economic issues were. I cast a write-in vote for Mitt Romney, secure in the knowledge that, in this Democratic state, the chance that my vote would make a difference was close to zero.)

    What really tipped the election was Comey’s last minute intervention.

    Trump almost certainly benefitted from illegal Russian help, but I don’t think he’d have won without the FBI director’s blunder - which came too late to be successfully rebutted.
    Although it should be remembered - speaking as somebody who is no fan of Trump - that wouldn't have been nearly such an issue if Clinton hadn't flouted every law going on the subject and repeatedly tried to impede the inquiry leading up to it.

    Trump proved worse, of course, including in that way, but she still bears a huge chunk of blame.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Interesting that we've got this diverting (in WAY more ways than one) "discussion" about the sins of Hillary Clinton , , , just as the pro-Trump Pimps-for-Putin wing of the Republican Party votes AGAINST funding for Ukraine.

    Interesting, yes. Surprising? Hell NO!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,239
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    2 different reactions to the House vote

    @ZelenskyyUa
    I am grateful to the United States House of Representatives, both parties, and personally Speaker Mike Johnson for the decision that keeps history on the right track.

    Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it. The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.

    Just peace and security can only be attained through strength.

    We hope that bills will be supported in the Senate and sent to President Biden’s desk. Thank you, America!
    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1781742984423215262


    @RepMTG
    Zelensky thanks Speaker Mike Johnson (D-Ukraine) for sending $61 BILLION of your hard-earned tax dollars to fuel a foreign war.

    Johnson once again passed a bill with the help of Democrats while the majority of the Republican majority voted against it.

    Not only is Mike Johnson a traitor to our conference, he’s a traitor to our country.
    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1781752811585188230

    @TheScreamingEagles @rcs1000

    Can we have a 24 hour relaxation on the banning of a certain word so we can call this woman what she is?


    Or would that be unfair to c....
    Warm and inviting are not the first terms that spring to mind when thinking about MTG!


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603

    Interesting that we've got this diverting (in WAY more ways than one) "discussion" about the sins of Hillary Clinton , , , just as the pro-Trump Pimps-for-Putin wing of the Republican Party votes AGAINST funding for Ukraine.

    Interesting, yes. Surprising? Hell NO!

    Do you believe Trump was the legitimate winner in 2016?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    On a lighter note: "Some House members jogged out of the chamber, hooting and hollering in support of the Ukraine bill.

    Democats left yelling ‘yay,’ after the Ukraine package passed, prompting staffers to run after them to bring them back into the chamber to notify them that there were more votes, including on the Israel bill. House Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-Mass.) came out to personally grab a member who was trying to leave."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/20/house-vote-ukraine-israel-aid-johnson/

    (In my opinion, House Democrats are less capable, on the average, than they were before Nancy Pelosi became their leader. For example, they lost Jane Harman, thanks to Pelosi.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Harman )
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    2 different reactions to the House vote

    @ZelenskyyUa
    I am grateful to the United States House of Representatives, both parties, and personally Speaker Mike Johnson for the decision that keeps history on the right track.

    Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it. The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.

    Just peace and security can only be attained through strength.

    We hope that bills will be supported in the Senate and sent to President Biden’s desk. Thank you, America!
    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1781742984423215262


    @RepMTG
    Zelensky thanks Speaker Mike Johnson (D-Ukraine) for sending $61 BILLION of your hard-earned tax dollars to fuel a foreign war.

    Johnson once again passed a bill with the help of Democrats while the majority of the Republican majority voted against it.

    Not only is Mike Johnson a traitor to our conference, he’s a traitor to our country.
    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1781752811585188230

    @TheScreamingEagles @rcs1000

    Can we have a 24 hour relaxation on the banning of a certain word so we can call this woman what she is?

    Or would that be unfair to c....
    I would have made a relaxation but since you insulted Lord Cameron earlier I will not.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Foxy said:

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    Yes, me too albeit just a rather pointless PCC election.

    I do think that the feeling against Tories at Local level isn't as venomous as it is for Parliament, so won't be too severe losses, saving Sunaks paneer for a bit longer.
    Thankfully we no longer have a PCC. But it does mean that I don't get to deface a ballot paper.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    Pagan2 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Why the fuck should you call for her to back down when you don't call for the looney wing of the trans ideoligists to stand down? Now if you had called for both then fair enough but you didn't
    Touchy little fucker aint you.
    Insofar as it would make the slightest difference I'm not asking the ridiculous narcissist to do anything, though I daresay she'd enjoy some of the simping on here.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    If you asked AI to write a song in the style of 1980s American grunge influencers, it would probably sound something like this from Chris Morris - different class

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTZ0hYlto7Q
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Pagan2 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Why the fuck should you call for her to back down when you don't call for the looney wing of the trans ideoligists to stand down? Now if you had called for both then fair enough but you didn't
    Touchy little fucker aint you.
    Insofar as it would make the slightest difference I'm not asking the ridiculous narcissist to do anything, though I daresay she'd enjoy some of the simping on here.
    It must be a relief to < checks notes > literary billlionaire and globally adored icon J K Rowling that she is not getting demands from < checks notes again > @Theuniondivvie off of that there PB
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 20
    ydoethur said:

    Donkeys said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    The old supplementary vote system would have made it much harder for the Tories to hang onto their mayoral seats .

    Regardless of Reform standing Labour would have a larger pool of voters to draw from .

    You are surely not suggesting the voting system was changed to benefit the party, with it not being (despite their claims) a manifesto commitment? For shame.
    It is quite striking to reflect that with the possible exception of the 1928 Equal Franchise Act, every single change in the voting system was to benefit the party in power.

    1832 - to try and create a Whig dominance by enfranchising new boroughs and disenfranchisement of Tory-controlled rotten boroughs;

    1867 - to give more seats to the counties which voted Conservative;

    1884/85 - a wider franchise proposed to benefit the Liberals, passed on a deal that handed redistricting to the Conservatives;

    1918 - votes given to those most supportive of the war effort and therefore sympathetic to Lloyd George (and indeed, votes stripped from conscientious objectors).

    It's utterly cynical.

    Why should this be any different?
    Interesting post. But the suffragettes hated the Liberals and in 1913 even bombed Lloyd George's house.
    You do know Lloyd George was suspended from the Liberal Party in 1918?
    I didn't. But given the experiences of the suffragettes I doubt his suspension caused them to forgive him for all the jailings, beatings, and torture. (And I know which party Emmeline Pankhurst became a prospective candidate for a few years later.) To clarify, which party are you saying gave votes to the majority of women in 1918 (presumably in absolute terms the largest extension of the franchise ever) because they thought it would benefit them in the polls?

    Overall, I like your thesis. I just don't think it applies to giving votes to women in 1918.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve got a massive gin and tonic and a classic hot French onion soup with emmental croutons in a classically bourgeois old brasserie near the Avenue George V. God I love Paris




    Are you sure someone hasn't had a pank in your soup ?
    It does look like a filled chamber pot doesn’t it?

    However it is fucking delicious. Possibly cause I walked 8 miles in wintry cold (it’s freezing here) staring at the existential decline of the city of light. So the soup was enormously bienvenue
    Well it got quite nice this afternoon in Yorkshire and I had a walk around Wath upon Dearne, which unlike Paris is much improved on what it was.

    So what's gone wrong with Paris and how does it compare with London ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    edited April 20
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Why the fuck should you call for her to back down when you don't call for the looney wing of the trans ideoligists to stand down? Now if you had called for both then fair enough but you didn't
    Touchy little fucker aint you.
    Insofar as it would make the slightest difference I'm not asking the ridiculous narcissist to do anything, though I daresay she'd enjoy some of the simping on here.
    It must be a relief to < checks notes > literary billlionaire and globally adored icon J K Rowling that she is not getting demands from < checks notes again > @Theuniondivvie off of that there PB
    Yeah, if your reading skills hadn't been traumatised by the third world hellhole of Paris you'd have seen that was my point.
    Just like the eminently ignorable rest of PB.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    One more from the Post: "Moments after the House approved a long-stalled foreign aid package, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she’d make no formal move Saturday to oust House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.)."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/20/house-vote-ukraine-israel-aid-johnson/
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870

    Pagan2 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Why the fuck should you call for her to back down when you don't call for the looney wing of the trans ideoligists to stand down? Now if you had called for both then fair enough but you didn't
    Touchy little fucker aint you.
    Insofar as it would make the slightest difference I'm not asking the ridiculous narcissist to do anything, though I daresay she'd enjoy some of the simping on here.
    Touchy little fucker because I pointed out the truth here, I didn't support rowling I just said you never criticise the extremists on the other side....go vote for independence most of us south of the border dont want you anymore....oh right you cant because even the scottish hate you
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    ydoethur said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    OK, here's a question. Pure fantasy, because it will never happen, but if it did:

    Trump is the Rep nominee, but has been convicted of his many frauds and is serving 11 years in New York. So Biden wins 70/30. His win has coattails so Dems control 2/3 of each house of Congress plus 75% of the States.

    What constitutional reforms would they enact?

    (Now let's remember, first up, that they will be changes to benefit the Dems, not representing America as a whole. So we can forget repealing the Second Amendment.)

    I would guess:

    Abolish the EC. President elected by nationwide popular vote.
    Abolish the special status of DC.
    Age limits for Supreme Court Justices.

    What else?
    Biden doesn’t have those coattails in Congress, let alone the states. I don’t think anyone ever has.

    And in any event, there are only twelve Republican Senate seats being contested.

    Term limits for the SC, though, would be my pick.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pleased to report, that ALL ten members of WA State US House delegation, 8 Democrats + 2 Republicans, voted FOR the URK package.

    With respect to the two GOPers
    > Cathy McMorris Rogers (CD05, Spokane & easternmost WA) is NOT running for re-election
    > Dan Newhouse (CD04, Yakima & Columbia Basin of eastern WA) is running this year, and has just been the official endorsement of state GOP (which really doesn't mean that much) in favor of Trump-endorsed MAGA-maniac.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    Middlesex are exploring the possibility of leaving Lord’s and making their main home at a newly developed ground in northwest London. The club have played at and operated out of the world’s most famous cricket ground since their foundation in 1864 but have only ever been tenants as the site is owned by MCC.

    The Middlesex chief executive Andrew Cornish told The Sunday Times that a lot of people were interested in investing in cricket and “the Middlesex brand internationally is very strong”, indicating the likely involvement of overseas backers.

    One option would be for the club to be based at another ground with some big games still played at Lord’s.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/cricket/article/middlesex-considering-leaving-lords-cricket-county-championship-zn876m06m

    I can't make head or tail of the reasoning. Perhaps no revenue from mcc members that they might get otherwise?
    Middlesex executives insist there are no feelings of bitterness when they look across the Thames at the financial powerhouse that their London neighbours Surrey have become, but they could be forgiven for being a little jealous.

    Surrey recently announced a profit of £8 million on a turnover of £65 million, of which around half came from the kind of conferencing and hospitality events that Middlesex struggle to put on because they do not own their own ground. Lord’s, where they play most of their home games, is a cash-cow on a par with the Oval — but for MCC, the owners, not their tenants. Middlesex were this year pleased simply to announce a surplus of £131,000, their first profit since 2016.
    Who hasn't looked across the Thames to South London and felt a pang of jealousy?
    Those of us who have the good fortune to live on Cannock Chase?

    (This isn't going to degenerate into another thread about London, is it?)
    London and Paris... It was the best of threads, it was the worst of threads...
    Down (the pub) and Out (on expenses) in Paris and London.
    Well, at least we had Paris.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited April 20
    Sleazy broken SNP on the slide.

    Labour lead remains at 16 while Reform climb to 13%
    • Labour 41% (n/c)
    • Conservatives 25% (n/c)
    • Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
    • SNP 2% (-1)
    • Greens 7% (-1)
    • Reform 13% (+2)


    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1781759744329265559
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    2 different reactions to the House vote

    @ZelenskyyUa
    I am grateful to the United States House of Representatives, both parties, and personally Speaker Mike Johnson for the decision that keeps history on the right track.

    Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it. The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.

    Just peace and security can only be attained through strength.

    We hope that bills will be supported in the Senate and sent to President Biden’s desk. Thank you, America!
    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1781742984423215262


    @RepMTG
    Zelensky thanks Speaker Mike Johnson (D-Ukraine) for sending $61 BILLION of your hard-earned tax dollars to fuel a foreign war.

    Johnson once again passed a bill with the help of Democrats while the majority of the Republican majority voted against it.

    Not only is Mike Johnson a traitor to our conference, he’s a traitor to our country.
    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1781752811585188230

    @TheScreamingEagles @rcs1000

    Can we have a 24 hour relaxation on the banning of a certain word so we can call this woman what she is?

    Or would that be unfair to c....
    I would have made a relaxation but since you insulted Lord Cameron earlier I will not.
    Did he call him an Unelected Has-Been?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    kle4 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    Not to the point of a mob storming the capitol to deliver on that belief, and still believe it 4 years later, so it's not exactly the same level.

    The 'what about Hilary?' people really need to work harder.
    There was significant Anti-Trump political violence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr0i6piW_ak
    Harder than this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    112 GOP votes to side with Putin .

    Utter scum , rot in hell .

    Overall however the House voted by a comfortable 311 to 112 margin for more aid for Ukraine.

    Well done Speaker Johnson for getting it through despite the rebels from his own party
    Saw one Democrat comparison with him and McCarthy as the latter being dishonest and incompetent, whilst Johnson is merely incompetent.

    That's still someone they can deal with.
  • Hope everyone's having a good weekend.

    Weird weather here today. There's no rain falling and instead we have this bright, yellow thing in the sky instead.

    Don't trust it. So decided to make a sacrifice by burning charcoal in the garden and putting meat above the charcoal as a sacrifice to the strange bright yellow thing in the sky. Washing down the sacrifice with a glass of red fermented grapes from a bottle.

    Best to be safe.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    Sleazy broken SNP on the slide.

    Labour lead remains at 16 while Reform climb to 13%
    • Labour 41% (n/c)
    • Conservatives 25% (n/c)
    • Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
    • SNP 2% (-1)
    • Greens 7% (-1)
    • Reform 13% (+2)


    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1781759744329265559

    That is the lowest I can recall seeing for quite some time. Scotland at Westminster has been a very changeable place in the last decade and that may continue, though I'm still more bullish on SNP seats than most.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,867
    IanB2 said:

    Not all Tories are completely pessimistic, however. One influential figure, who self-identifies as an “incurable optimist”, said a solid performance in some key contests could steady the ship. “Almost everybody seems to be going about assuming they’re going to be really bad and I’m not at all sure that they are. There’s a very good chance that we hold the Teesside and West Midlands mayoralties.

    “I think there is a very good chance that Susan Hall performs better than anybody expects in London against Sadiq Khan. That’s actually a story that doesn’t align with a Labour lead of 20 points in the polls.”

    Having said that, they added: “You can’t rule out a complete panicked meltdown.”

    Susan Hall and the Conservatives' strategy for the Mayoral election is based on having won Uxbridge over Ulez. Their new claim is that Sadiq Khan will introduce pay per mile charges. Sadiq denies this. Tories say Khan must be planning ppm to make the Net Zero sums add up.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    nico679 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'

    Her district is full of in bred trailer trash so they’ll still vote for the Putin arse licker .
    Not wanting to defend Moscow Marjorie but those are the type of comments which make people vote for her (and Trump).
    Oh the poor things being called what they are , thick bigoted trash .
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    HYUFD said:

    2 different reactions to the House vote

    @ZelenskyyUa
    I am grateful to the United States House of Representatives, both parties, and personally Speaker Mike Johnson for the decision that keeps history on the right track.

    Democracy and freedom will always have global significance and will never fail as long as America helps to protect it. The vital U.S. aid bill passed today by the House will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.

    Just peace and security can only be attained through strength.

    We hope that bills will be supported in the Senate and sent to President Biden’s desk. Thank you, America!
    https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1781742984423215262


    @RepMTG
    Zelensky thanks Speaker Mike Johnson (D-Ukraine) for sending $61 BILLION of your hard-earned tax dollars to fuel a foreign war.

    Johnson once again passed a bill with the help of Democrats while the majority of the Republican majority voted against it.

    Not only is Mike Johnson a traitor to our conference, he’s a traitor to our country.
    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1781752811585188230

    A majority of the majority? That means a minority, I suppose.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 20

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Anyone moaning about Brexit Britain needs to come to Paris

    Will be there in June, but have been several times since Brexit. Will be staying in the Latin QTR.
    Was in Paris last year. It was absolutely delightful. Lovely people, lovely food, lovely atmosphere.
    Yes of course



    You've been visiting a famous death site, I see.

    Well OK, she was pronounced dead in the hospital after all that time in the stationary and then slow-moving ambulance, but I mean the site of crash bang, the hard bit's done, it's all over for you now, girl, that's what you get for betraying the Family.
    I dread to think what you would get banged up for if you were promoting wild conspiracy theories against the head of state in Russia, although Russia is no doubt paying you handsomely to promote wild conspiracy theories against the head of state here.
    What a silly comment. I deserved about 10 likes for identifying the signifiance of the spot where @Leon took that photo. *pouts*

    Are you jealous or something?

    Anyway how do you know I'm not his SAS friend he had lunch with?

    Unfortunately I couldn't find the death-related significance of the Champs Elysées pic. As a wild guess (after all, wildness is what I'm paid for), I'd say the assassination attempt on Jacques Chirac by neo-Nazi Maxime Brunerie in 2002? Am I right?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    She was not a good candidate as it turns out and I don't think she has much to offer on matters today, it's time to move on to a new generation (after Biden is re-elected anyway).
  • That R&W poll is about what I suspected was the case. Houchen is the equivalent of a US political 'boss'. Lots of folk think he is a crook but a portion of his endeavours is perceived to feed back into his area. Local Elections have shown the Con vote holding up around there better than almost anywhere else (save perhaps Scotland).

    It is yet more proof that the key national Con problem is incompetence. Corruption and sleaze can be survived but only if you are perceived to 'get things done'. The national Con stress on electioneering over good government has done them no good at all
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Have to say TUD , she is in the right on this against those Fcukwits in the SNP/Green weirdo bunch. How much longer do we need to suffer these cretins, they make the Tories look like Angels.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Imagine watching 3 seasons of Emily in Paris then actually coming here. Lol

    Isn’t there the “Paris syndrome” thingy where Japanese tourists (and others) were so discombobulated by the disconnect between their preconceptions of Paris v the reality?
    Yes exactly. I just never expected to experience it myself
    You are making me feel really great , I am off to paris next week
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Foxy said:

    Worth noting that some people will have already voted. We received our postal vote packs yesterday.

    Yes, me too albeit just a rather pointless PCC election.

    I do think that the feeling against Tories at Local level isn't as venomous as it is for Parliament, so won't be too severe losses, saving Sunaks paneer for a bit longer.
    I think it'll be pretty horrendous for them, even though you are likely right local feelign won't be as vicious as national.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    edited April 20
    Donkeys said:

    ydoethur said:

    Donkeys said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    The old supplementary vote system would have made it much harder for the Tories to hang onto their mayoral seats .

    Regardless of Reform standing Labour would have a larger pool of voters to draw from .

    You are surely not suggesting the voting system was changed to benefit the party, with it not being (despite their claims) a manifesto commitment? For shame.
    It is quite striking to reflect that with the possible exception of the 1928 Equal Franchise Act, every single change in the voting system was to benefit the party in power.

    1832 - to try and create a Whig dominance by enfranchising new boroughs and disenfranchisement of Tory-controlled rotten boroughs;

    1867 - to give more seats to the counties which voted Conservative;

    1884/85 - a wider franchise proposed to benefit the Liberals, passed on a deal that handed redistricting to the Conservatives;

    1918 - votes given to those most supportive of the war effort and therefore sympathetic to Lloyd George (and indeed, votes stripped from conscientious objectors).

    It's utterly cynical.

    Why should this be any different?
    Interesting post. But the suffragettes hated the Liberals and in 1913 even bombed Lloyd George's house.
    You do know Lloyd George was suspended from the Liberal Party in 1918?
    I didn't. But given the experiences of the suffragettes I doubt his suspension caused them to forgive him for all the jailings, beatings, and torture. (And I know which party Emmeline Pankhurst became a prospective candidate for a few years later.) To clarify, which party are you saying gave votes to the majority of women in 1918 (presumably in absolute terms the largest extension of the franchise ever) because they thought it would benefit them in the polls?

    Overall, I like your thesis. I just don't think it applies to giving votes to women in 1918.
    The main party in the Lloyd George coalition were the Unionists. They believed

    1) That women did not blame them for not having the vote before 1914;

    2) That the women chosen to be enfranchised would mostly vote for them because the overwhelming evidence was they were quite conservative on most issues;

    3) That the women who were enfranchised had played a part in winning the war and would vote for the man who was credited with leading them to victory.

    In these calculations they were correct.

    It is also worth remembering that by the same logic around 40% of new voters in 1918 were men, particularly young men. All veterans and current servicemen of any age were enfranchised, marking the only time anyone under 18* voted legally in a UK general election.

    *Yes, I know 18 was the legal minimum age of service. Even after conscription began in 1916 it was not rigorously enforced.

    Edit - and a reminder that while a prominent figure in Liberal politics before 1914 (to put it mildly) Lloyd George was none of leader, PM or an especially notable opponent of female suffrage.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    kle4 said:

    Sleazy broken SNP on the slide.

    Labour lead remains at 16 while Reform climb to 13%
    • Labour 41% (n/c)
    • Conservatives 25% (n/c)
    • Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
    • SNP 2% (-1)
    • Greens 7% (-1)
    • Reform 13% (+2)


    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1781759744329265559

    That is the lowest I can recall seeing for quite some time. Scotland at Westminster has been a very changeable place in the last decade and that may continue, though I'm still more bullish on SNP seats than most.
    Scottish sub-sample klaxon.

    There's only 6% covering the SNP in first place (28%) and the Tories in third place (22%) with Labour on 24%.

    There's more chance of me saying nice things about Max Verstappen than that happening at the next GE.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321

    nico679 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'

    Her district is full of in bred trailer trash so they’ll still vote for the Putin arse licker .
    Not wanting to defend Moscow Marjorie but those are the type of comments which make people vote for her (and Trump).
    I think this is true.

    You can only begin to understand the vitriolic hostiity of Trump supporters towards the Libtards when you learn to appreciate their resentment at that kind of sneering.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Pleased to report, that ALL ten members of WA State US House delegation, 8 Democrats + 2 Republicans, voted FOR the URK package.

    With respect to the two GOPers
    > Cathy McMorris Rogers (CD05, Spokane & easternmost WA) is NOT running for re-election
    > Dan Newhouse (CD04, Yakima & Columbia Basin of eastern WA) is running this year, and has just been the official endorsement of state GOP (which really doesn't mean that much) in favor of Trump-endorsed MAGA-maniac.

    Addendum - meant to say that Newhouse has been DENIED the GOP endorsement. He will still be on the August ballot, will still make the Top Two for the general election, which he will still win.

    Not-so-fearless prediction.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044

    OldKingCole: Fair question. My friends and family are almost all in states that weren't going to be close. I think at the time I said I wasn't sure what I would do, were I voting in a state that was close. The Loser was signficantly worse as president, than I was expecting at the time.

    Perhaps I should add that I very much wanted to see the Supreme Court show some respect for our Civil Rights laws, so we can judge people as individuals, not as members of groups.

    And -- this may surprise some -- arguments by pro-abortion people, notably Playboy's Hugh Hefner, had persuaded me that we should discourage abortion, and that we should decide how to do so, democratically.

    I’m not certain Hefner is generally considered to be one of the great thinkers of the pro-abortion movement.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    She lost because of the system. As Attlee did in 1951. And as he did, accepted it.
    Doesn’t mean it’s a fair system, or a good one.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814

    Sleazy broken SNP on the slide.

    Labour lead remains at 16 while Reform climb to 13%
    • Labour 41% (n/c)
    • Conservatives 25% (n/c)
    • Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
    • SNP 2% (-1)
    • Greens 7% (-1)
    • Reform 13% (+2)


    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1781759744329265559

    Sleazy, broken SNP and the Greens on the slide!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited April 20
    Glad I don't live next door to Angela Rayner or her neighbours.

    Angela Rayner confronted her neighbours demanding £240 and calling herself “the landlady” after a window was smashed at the property she claims had been her principal house, police were told yesterday.

    The Times has learnt that Greater Manchester police began interviewing neighbours at the deputy Labour leader’s former home in Stockport on Friday as part of their investigation into multiple allegations relating to where she lived in the 2010s.

    Residents of Vicarage Road are understood to have told the force that Rayner was involved in a row with the family of a boy who kicked a football through her front window in 2015.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/landlady-angela-rayner-lost-it-over-smashed-window-says-neighbour-f5z7dd5rt
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    nico679 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder if Majorie Taylor Greene's opponent has the ads all ready to go calling her a 'Commie stooge?'

    Her district is full of in bred trailer trash so they’ll still vote for the Putin arse licker .
    Not wanting to defend Moscow Marjorie but those are the type of comments which make people vote for her (and Trump).
    I think this is true.

    You can only begin to understand the vitriolic hostiity of Trump supporters towards the Libtards when you learn to appreciate their resentment at that kind of sneering.
    I’m not sneering . Have you seen his supporters interviewed. I’m just calling a spade a spade .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    Rep. Victoria Spartz, originally from Chernihiv region of Ukraine, voted against the US aid package for her home country…
    https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1781763746689409055

    Full list of shame at the link.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    ydoethur said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    OK, here's a question. Pure fantasy, because it will never happen, but if it did:

    Trump is the Rep nominee, but has been convicted of his many frauds and is serving 11 years in New York. So Biden wins 70/30. His win has coattails so Dems control 2/3 of each house of Congress plus 75% of the States.

    What constitutional reforms would they enact?

    (Now let's remember, first up, that they will be changes to benefit the Dems, not representing America as a whole. So we can forget repealing the Second Amendment.)

    I would guess:

    Abolish the EC. President elected by nationwide popular vote.
    Abolish the special status of DC.
    Age limits for Supreme Court Justices.

    What else?
    I think more plausible is statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, and then maybe expanding the Supreme Court.

    I think they should impeach Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,355
    edited April 20

    ydoethur said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    OK, here's a question. Pure fantasy, because it will never happen, but if it did:

    Trump is the Rep nominee, but has been convicted of his many frauds and is serving 11 years in New York. So Biden wins 70/30. His win has coattails so Dems control 2/3 of each house of Congress plus 75% of the States.

    What constitutional reforms would they enact?

    (Now let's remember, first up, that they will be changes to benefit the Dems, not representing America as a whole. So we can forget repealing the Second Amendment.)

    I would guess:

    Abolish the EC. President elected by nationwide popular vote.
    Abolish the special status of DC.
    Age limits for Supreme Court Justices.

    What else?
    I think more plausible is statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, and then maybe expanding the Supreme Court.

    I think they should impeach Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh.
    Exapnding the Supreme Court would not require a constitutional amendment, nor would statehood for DC or PR.

    I agree on your second paragraph, mind, but I suspect both would resign first.

    Edit - actually, on thinking about it I’m possibly wrong about DC although it could probably be fudged.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    edited April 20

    Glad I don't live next door to Angela Rayner or her neighbours.

    Angela Rayner confronted her neighbours demanding £240 and calling herself “the landlady” after a window was smashed at the property she claims had been her principal house, police were told yesterday.

    The Times has learnt that Greater Manchester police began interviewing neighbours at the deputy Labour leader’s former home in Stockport on Friday as part of their investigation into multiple allegations relating to where she lived in the 2010s.

    Residents of Vicarage Road are understood to have told the force that Rayner was involved in a row with the family of a boy who kicked a football through her front window in 2015.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/landlady-angela-rayner-lost-it-over-smashed-window-says-neighbour-f5z7dd5rt

    So they didn’t like her and so one could argue they weren’t exactly impartial.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 723
    edited April 20
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Even in the historical Centre around Chatelet & Les Halles - after 8pm it takes on a very threatening feel compared to the day..

    I’m trying to remember if I found anywhere within zone 2 of London (just a random way of thinking about the larger centre of London) remotely threatening at night and it wasn’t as far as I remember. I found central Geneva at night much more dangerous and dodgy with lots of mates being mugged a lot, girls threatened by big gangs of guys.

    Maybe because our drinking culture you are more likely to get into a scrap in a bar than when everyone is wandering around pissed on the streets en masse.
    I’m in Les Halles now. My god. Horribly menacing

    Groups of men all drinking. Hundreds. Like a convention or aggressive young hobos. Very few women. This is meant to be the Parisian Covent Garden



    I mean, they look friendly don’t they. Charming French characters. Might go over for a chat about patisserie
    Is this how Marine Le Pen wins Paris? She and her father have been the 5th Republic's most un-Parisy final-round candidates. Neither of them attended either the ENA or Sciences Po. Do they take Paris by promising to cleanse it of all the pègre?


  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    Donkeys said:

    ydoethur said:

    Donkeys said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    The old supplementary vote system would have made it much harder for the Tories to hang onto their mayoral seats .

    Regardless of Reform standing Labour would have a larger pool of voters to draw from .

    You are surely not suggesting the voting system was changed to benefit the party, with it not being (despite their claims) a manifesto commitment? For shame.
    It is quite striking to reflect that with the possible exception of the 1928 Equal Franchise Act, every single change in the voting system was to benefit the party in power.

    1832 - to try and create a Whig dominance by enfranchising new boroughs and disenfranchisement of Tory-controlled rotten boroughs;

    1867 - to give more seats to the counties which voted Conservative;

    1884/85 - a wider franchise proposed to benefit the Liberals, passed on a deal that handed redistricting to the Conservatives;

    1918 - votes given to those most supportive of the war effort and therefore sympathetic to Lloyd George (and indeed, votes stripped from conscientious objectors).

    It's utterly cynical.

    Why should this be any different?
    Interesting post. But the suffragettes hated the Liberals and in 1913 even bombed Lloyd George's house.
    You do know Lloyd George was suspended from the Liberal Party in 1918?
    I didn't. But given the experiences of the suffragettes I doubt his suspension caused them to forgive him for all the jailings, beatings, and torture. (And I know which party Emmeline Pankhurst became a prospective candidate for a few years later.) To clarify, which party are you saying gave votes to the majority of women in 1918 (presumably in absolute terms the largest extension of the franchise ever) because they thought it would benefit them in the polls?

    Overall, I like your thesis. I just don't think it applies to giving votes to women in 1918.
    The Suffragettes weren’t that popular among or representative of women in 1918.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    edited April 20

    Sleazy broken SNP on the slide.

    Labour lead remains at 16 while Reform climb to 13%
    • Labour 41% (n/c)
    • Conservatives 25% (n/c)
    • Lib Dems 10% (n/c)
    • SNP 2% (-1)
    • Greens 7% (-1)
    • Reform 13% (+2)


    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1781759744329265559

    Here's a question: what jumps out here?
    • Labour are in the 40's and aren't going anywhere from that quickly
    • Conservatives are in the 20s and aren't going anywhere from that quickly
    • LD's are stuck around 10%.
    • Greens are doing well but not as well as you'd expect in the circs
    • Reform are doing well and far better than you'd expect in the circs
    I assume this will remain until the election is called, then everybody will switch to "make an actual choice" mode instead of "slagging off the Government" mode they are currently in.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767

    Glad I don't live next door to Angela Rayner or her neighbours.

    Angela Rayner confronted her neighbours demanding £240 and calling herself “the landlady” after a window was smashed at the property she claims had been her principal house, police were told yesterday.

    The Times has learnt that Greater Manchester police began interviewing neighbours at the deputy Labour leader’s former home in Stockport on Friday as part of their investigation into multiple allegations relating to where she lived in the 2010s.

    Residents of Vicarage Road are understood to have told the force that Rayner was involved in a row with the family of a boy who kicked a football through her front window in 2015.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/landlady-angela-rayner-lost-it-over-smashed-window-says-neighbour-f5z7dd5rt

    Oh how awful, someone smashed her window and she asked them to pay to get it fixed. What a monster.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    Glad I don't live next door to Angela Rayner or her neighbours.

    Angela Rayner confronted her neighbours demanding £240 and calling herself “the landlady” after a window was smashed at the property she claims had been her principal house, police were told yesterday.

    The Times has learnt that Greater Manchester police began interviewing neighbours at the deputy Labour leader’s former home in Stockport on Friday as part of their investigation into multiple allegations relating to where she lived in the 2010s.

    Residents of Vicarage Road are understood to have told the force that Rayner was involved in a row with the family of a boy who kicked a football through her front window in 2015.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/landlady-angela-rayner-lost-it-over-smashed-window-says-neighbour-f5z7dd5rt

    I recall pooling pocket money to buy glass and putty after a group of us did something similar. That was in the late 40’s.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    The new CEO of NPR in the US has explicitly said that seeking the truth is a problem:

    https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1780492395790086460

    “Our reverence for the truth might be a distraction getting in the way of finding common ground & getting things done.”
    I can top that. The then US President got much of the country to believe he hadn’t lost an election that, in truth, he had lost.
    Hillary Clinton got much of the country to believe that she was legitimate winner in 2016 too.
    She and Liz Truss would get on.
    To be fair she got almost 3m more votes than the Orange One. She just didn’t win enough States.
    Shoulda woulda coulda.

    She lost. And she's learnt nothing from it, even today.
    She lost because of the system. As Attlee did in 1951. And as he did, accepted it.
    Doesn’t mean it’s a fair system, or a good one.
    She lost because she was a shit candidate.

    There's no dressing that up.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    One more from the Post: "Moments after the House approved a long-stalled foreign aid package, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said she’d make no formal move Saturday to oust House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.)."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/20/house-vote-ukraine-israel-aid-johnson/

    Sooner or later I expect MTG will be exposed as a Russian asset.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    ..
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    J K Rowling tweeting that Dr Hilary Cass feels she can no longer safely travel on public transport. Jeez.

    Just incredible how this irrational trans ideology has taken hold. A deadly mixture of woke and identity politics.

    Had a long discussion last night with my 21yo youngest daughter. She is at Edinburgh Uni and told me that a lot of her friends think emotions and feelings are more important than facts when making decisions - lived experience is more valid than measurable outcomes or the law. What on earth have we done in educating that generation? Social media has done so much damage.
    It’s great though that Rowling and her pals are really dialling down the emotions and feelz in this debate.
    Why the fuck should you call for her to back down when you don't call for the looney wing of the trans ideoligists to stand down? Now if you had called for both then fair enough but you didn't
    Touchy little fucker aint you.
    Insofar as it would make the slightest difference I'm not asking the ridiculous narcissist to do anything, though I daresay she'd enjoy some of the simping on here.
    Touchy little fucker because I pointed out the truth here, I didn't support rowling I just said you never criticise the extremists on the other side....go vote for independence most of us south of the border dont want you anymore....oh right you cant because even the scottish hate you
    You'll be turning your little weenie anger on the posters highlighting 'a deadly mixture of woke and identity politics' of a damaged generation on the other side shortly I suppose?
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