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  • TazTaz Posts: 14,418
    A woman took a dead man to a bank in Brazil to try to obtain a loan.

    https://x.com/morecrazyclips/status/1780573926998810686?s=61

    Features video of said corpse being entreated to sign the forms.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,854
    boulay said:


    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Switzerland was the richest country in the world per capita in 1990.

    Amazingly, it was one of the POOREST countries in Europe for centuries. Hence the Swiss Guards. Swiss people were so poor they became the great source of mercenaries

    Then they decided to have a hundred years of total peace, democracy, watchmaking and clever if selfish banking, even as every other nation around them tipped into mayhem. Et voila
    If you fancied a military career within Switzerland your options were rather limited.

    The Nazis stashed all their gold and other plundered wealth there, and it's not been seen since?
    There were loads of wars in Switzerland over the centuries with invasions from Austria, Savoie, France, Burgundians, and plenty of civil wars between cantons and cantonal groupings or religious wars.

    The Swiss became valued mercenaries because they had so much practice and developed the specialist pikemen. Plentiful military career options.
    A particularly fascinating campaign in the French wars with Suvurov leading a Russian-Austrian army up and down dale or rather alp all over Swtizerland.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Off topic, but possibly interesting: https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/rating-changes-arizona-senate-and-az-6/

    Larry Sabato's team has shifted the odds in Arizona -- toward the Democrats.

    (Disturbing, but not surprising: They see only two toss-up US Senate races, Montana and Ohio.)

    Can you define what you mean by "disturbing"? And who(m) is disturbed?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are you?

    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    Reunifying Germany *and* giving it a bit of territory stranded on the other side of Poland would have been a bridge too far for most.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,885
    Evening all :)

    Not much change with More In Common at 59-37 this evening. It's the only pollster now showing the Conservatives above 25%.

    The R&W Red Wall poll this evening has Labour on 44%, Conservatives on 24% and Reform on 18%. For both Labour and the Conservatives, those are low figures in this polling series while it's a new high for Reform.

    Among 2019 Conservative voters, only 46% are still loyal with 24% going for Reform (a post-Anderson lift?) and 17% Labour
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,857

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are you?

    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    Reunifying Germany *and* giving it a bit of territory stranded on the other side of Poland would have been a bridge too far for most.
    Except that Russia is the one with a bit of territory stranded on the other side of Poland!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,479
    edited April 17

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are you?

    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    Reunifying Germany *and* giving it a bit of territory stranded on the other side of Poland would have been a bridge too far for most.
    Doesn't mean the Russians had any right to depopulate it, wipe out (in some cases, blow up) its history and heritage and cling onto it as a permanent piece of annexed territory.

    Interesting, Helmet Kohl was asking for this originally as part of reunification. By then I couldn't see a problem and still don't. And it's far better than Putin having it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    Stocky said:

    Pavon and Tom Kim (aka Joohyung Kim) are massively priced on BF Exchange for the RBC Heritage golf IMO.

    Not a tip, as such. Golf is betting for masochists.

    I had a good Masters. Sometimes that short priced fav should be shorter.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are you?

    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    Reunifying Germany *and* giving it a bit of territory stranded on the other side of Poland would have been a bridge too far for most.
    Except that Russia is the one with a bit of territory stranded on the other side of Poland!
    No doubt Putin blames the independence of the Baltic states for that.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,479
    Something might be lost in translation here but it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron came across quite pompously to Bibi (without meaning to do so) and what he articulated back was straightly asserting Israel's freedom of action from a former colonial power (largely for a domestic audience, whilst acknowledging the point at the margins) but which very easily translates in British ears to "go fuck yourself".
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,910
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Pavon and Tom Kim (aka Joohyung Kim) are massively priced on BF Exchange for the RBC Heritage golf IMO.

    Not a tip, as such. Golf is betting for masochists.

    I had a good Masters. Sometimes that short priced fav should be shorter.
    Apparently the Racing Post's golf tipster had to be heavily edited after originally advocating your biggest ever bet on Scottie Scheffler. Incompatible with responsible gambling or some such!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I am a liberal. I think people should be free. Sunak's smoking proposals are a restriction on people's freedoms to buy cigarettes. So, why support them?

    Most people who smoke want to give up. That's because nicotine is astonishingly addictive. Most people smoking are doing something they would rather not be doing, because they are compelled by their addiction. That is a restriction on people's freedoms. We increase liberty by banning an addictive drug.

    Social media is also astonishingly addictive. Maybe it also needs to be banned.
    Why are ecstasy and mushrooms banned? There could be huge social and economic benefits to regulating them.
    People can die after taking ecstasy - https://statista.com/statistics/470824/drug-poisoning-deaths-mdma-ecstasy-in-england-and-wales/

    Less likely from mushrooms (as long as you pick the right ones)
    Drug testing in the Netherlands seems to have eliminated Ecstasy related deaths - which were associated with contaminants, wildly varying dosages and pills simply being other drugs.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1784

    Which strongly suggests that legalised and regulated sale would have a similar effect.
    I think you are probably right with this, however I think ecstasy is still a pretty dangerous drug to take.

    David Nutt's point about horse riding is germane. Plenty die or are paralysed riding horses each year but we don't ban it. Should people be allowed to take the chance on regulated, QC passed ecstasy? Probably. Mushrooms I'd argue definitely.
    A pretty dangerous drug on what basis? Toxicity, risk, harm to others? And compared to what, alcohol, caffeine, paracetamol?

    As @Malmsbury has shown, ecstasy deaths have been effectively eliminated where quasi-regulation and decriminalisation exists.

    “A pretty dangerous drug” is quite a claim.

    Show your working.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11419-018-0444-7

    No time to go into much depth but a cursory flick through web of science suggests enough to be concerned (even if only for safety doing other things after taking MDMA).
    Er, so like booze, mushrooms or, erm, most other drugs. True, one shouldn't drive or work on building site when loved up, but I guess most of us knew that.
    Its not just that. Hyperpyrexia seems to be a danger too. As I said, I don't think ecstasy is 'safe', and there would be risks associated with it.
    Nothing in life is safe. The question is about finding the appropriate balance of risks. Right now prohibition and placing the supply of a relatively harmless substance in the hands of criminals who cut it with far more dangerous substances is clearly creating more risk than is necessary. It is costing people their lives, mostly young people with much to live for. The stupidity and cowardice of our political caste on this issue is one of the few things in politics that makes me genuinely angry.
    I've posted studies that suggest MDMA is not completely safe. It is probably a lot safer than many things out there, and certainly its use is being looked into for psychotherapy. I'd be worried about legalisation because young people do stupid things.

    I don't think governments handle drug law at all well. The safety or not rarely matches the legal status.
    And horse riding.
    Legalisation would presumably come with a minimum age limit and prescribed maximum dosage, as with drugs like Codeine.
    Yep, and that would not stop a stupid 19 year old taking 5 at a time because he thought it would be cool.
    But in the same way it doesn't stop 19 year olds (or underaged children) drinking a whole bottle of vodka or dosing up on their gran's legal tranquilizers.
    True. I doubt its going to come about anyway - most politicians will not touch it with a barge-pole - double finger number of dead people each year from MDMA does not lend itself to a legalisation campaign.*

    *And yes, I know that almost all, if not all, will have been down to impure, illegal MDMA.
    AKA NOT-MDMA ?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    DavidL said:

    TimS said:

    MJW said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I am a liberal. I think people should be free. Sunak's smoking proposals are a restriction on people's freedoms to buy cigarettes. So, why support them?

    Most people who smoke want to give up. That's because nicotine is astonishingly addictive. Most people smoking are doing something they would rather not be doing, because they are compelled by their addiction. That is a restriction on people's freedoms. We increase liberty by banning an addictive drug.

    Social media is also astonishingly addictive. Maybe it also needs to be banned.
    Why are ecstasy and mushrooms banned? There could be huge social and economic benefits to regulating them.
    People can die after taking ecstasy - https://statista.com/statistics/470824/drug-poisoning-deaths-mdma-ecstasy-in-england-and-wales/

    Less likely from mushrooms (as long as you pick the right ones)
    Drug testing in the Netherlands seems to have eliminated Ecstasy related deaths - which were associated with contaminants, wildly varying dosages and pills simply being other drugs.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1784

    Which strongly suggests that legalised and regulated sale would have a similar effect.
    I think you are probably right with this, however I think ecstasy is still a pretty dangerous drug to take.

    David Nutt's point about horse riding is germane. Plenty die or are paralysed riding horses each year but we don't ban it. Should people be allowed to take the chance on regulated, QC passed ecstasy? Probably. Mushrooms I'd argue definitely.
    A pretty dangerous drug on what basis? Toxicity, risk, harm to others? And compared to what, alcohol, caffeine, paracetamol?

    As @Malmsbury has shown, ecstasy deaths have been effectively eliminated where quasi-regulation and decriminalisation exists.

    “A pretty dangerous drug” is quite a claim.

    Show your working.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11419-018-0444-7

    No time to go into much depth but a cursory flick through web of science suggests enough to be concerned (even if only for safety doing other things after taking MDMA).
    Er, so like booze, mushrooms or, erm, most other drugs. True, one shouldn't drive or work on building site when loved up, but I guess most of us knew that.
    Its not just that. Hyperpyrexia seems to be a danger too. As I said, I don't think ecstasy is 'safe', and there would be risks associated with it.
    Hyperpyrexia - https://liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ther.2018.0002
    That's the interesting thing, isn't it? Unless it's impurities or a dose issue, there is perhaps a risk of rare but extreme adverse outcomes with MDMA that are not present with alcohol at sane doses.

    One would need to establish whether such adverse reactions are due to taking the equivalent of a couple of bottles of whisky (or a methanol-based drink) of MDMA or whether it's possible from taking the equivalent of a clean pint of session IPA.
    The increased risks for those with CV disease are probably less of an issue for 18 year olds at Reading Festival, but maybe more so for the ageing rocker types (PB members) at Glastonbury.

    The problem with making it legal (or one of the problems) is the deaths from taking MDMA. It doesn't matter that they were almost certainly mostly due to contamenents, You can imagine the campaigns from mothers of deceased kids all over BBC breakfast...
    Yes, that's why it will never happen. There's little political upside and masses of potential downside - even if regulated, pure and 'safe' some kids will get off their tit and fall off something/crash a car or something.
    I can think of two upsides *if* you're brave enough. Tax revenue and pressure off policing/prisons. But you have to be brave enough. Possibly much more feasible in 20 or so years - the generations for whom drug use was a big taboo (rather than a choice they wouldn't make) are beginning to disappear. Plus there's odd allies on all parts of the political spectrum where it could end up party policy if the faction that buys into legalisation is in the ascendant.

    I wouldn't bet on it, but it's plausible that in 20-30 years a Tory leader who's emerged from what you might call the 'techbro' right, puts it in a manifesto in a bid to convince voters his or her party has changed and is modern.
    I'd love a think tank to do a proper line by line ranking of all narcotics, legal and illegal, based on 4 variables:

    1. Risk of harm to user
    2. Risk of harm to others
    3. Non-health costs of making / remaining illegal
    4. Non-health benefits of making / remaining legal

    Actually I probably wouldn't because it would have alcohol high up on 1 and extremely high up on 2.
    I think David Nutt did that for Blair. IIRC he got sacked for his troubles.
    Indeed so. He discovered that alcohol is the most dangerous drug out there and hippy shit like ecstasy and shrooms are pretty safe.

    The establishment didn't like it and said: "on your bike."

    Funny old world.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,996
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Not much change with More In Common at 59-37 this evening. It's the only pollster now showing the Conservatives above 25%.

    The R&W Red Wall poll this evening has Labour on 44%, Conservatives on 24% and Reform on 18%. For both Labour and the Conservatives, those are low figures in this polling series while it's a new high for Reform.

    Among 2019 Conservative voters, only 46% are still loyal with 24% going for Reform (a post-Anderson lift?) and 17% Labour

    Reform on 18%? Bloody hell. There was I thinking they had peaked and were on the way down.

    We now have Reform on between 9 and 18% across pollsters. That’s a big spread, worse than even the Greens.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,518

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are you?

    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    Mercifully the past cannot be taken away from that unfortunate place. Kant, the greatest philosopher since Aristotle and never surpassed lived the whole of his life in Konigsberg.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,735
    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    Something might be lost in translation here but it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron came across quite pompously to Bibi (without meaning to do so) and what he articulated back was straightly asserting Israel's freedom of action from a former colonial power (largely for a domestic audience, whilst acknowledging the point at the margins) but which very easily translates in British ears to "go fuck yourself".

    I’m sure Cameron was very diplomatic but his appeals have fallen on deaf ears .

    Netenyahu should remember the alliance that was there to help defend Israel. Next time “ let them eat knishes “ !
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668
    The numbers for Reform show that there's a big gap in the market for a 'proper' right-wing party with working class appeal, but it would take someone with remarkable political skills to translate that into a viable electoral vehicle. Farage is the closest thing they have at the moment to that person, but he's also yesterday's man and has too much baggage.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    The spelling police are assigning 12 officers to investigate your spelling of Rayner.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,996

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Pavon and Tom Kim (aka Joohyung Kim) are massively priced on BF Exchange for the RBC Heritage golf IMO.

    Not a tip, as such. Golf is betting for masochists.

    I had a good Masters. Sometimes that short priced fav should be shorter.
    I had many bets. Ended up about a fiver up. Best bet Aberg e/w. I would have been quids in if he had won.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,219

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Pavon and Tom Kim (aka Joohyung Kim) are massively priced on BF Exchange for the RBC Heritage golf IMO.

    Not a tip, as such. Golf is betting for masochists.

    I had a good Masters. Sometimes that short priced fav should be shorter.
    Apparently the Racing Post's golf tipster had to be heavily edited after originally advocating your biggest ever bet on Scottie Scheffler. Incompatible with responsible gambling or some such!
    That was Steve Palmer. A very good golf tipster.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,996

    The numbers for Reform show that there's a big gap in the market for a 'proper' right-wing party with working class appeal, but it would take someone with remarkable political skills to translate that into a viable electoral vehicle. Farage is the closest thing they have at the moment to that person, but he's also yesterday's man and has too much baggage.

    Though none of the Reform leadership are remotely working class. They feel more Howard’s way / golf club membership than working class. Lee Anderson is more of an exception.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,935

    Seems even Scotland is upsetting the EU

    Furious European Union officials have demanded talks with the British Government over a new fishing regulation, which has sparked anger among Eurocrats.

    The European Commission wants an explanation three months after leaders in London and devolved Scotland announced the end of industrial sand eel fishing.

    This announcement, dating back to the end of January, was made on environmental grounds and was welcomed by, among others, the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB).

    But the decision to ban the industrial fishing of sand eel in the English waters of the North Sea and all Scottish waters respectively has sparked anger in Denmark.

    This has led leaders in Brussels to trigger on April 16 the dispute settlement mechanism in the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA). When triggered, this mechanism asks the EU and Britain to try to reach an agreement on the matter within 30 days - or more, if they agree to extend talks.

    If the parties can't strike a deal, Brussels may request an arbitration tribunal adjudicate on the "compatibility of the UK's measures" with provisions in the agreement, which the EU executive said called for an "evidence-based, proportionate and non-discriminatory" approach to marine conservation.

    How are they going to wriggle out of that?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    All because of that arsehole Daly . Why do you need 12 police officers for this case . It all seems very strange given tax offenses would go to the HMRC , they then provide a dossier of info and the CPS then decide whether to prosecute .
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668
    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    They'll need to arrange some fact-finding trips to locations where Angela Rayner holidayed during the period in question.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668
    TimS said:

    The numbers for Reform show that there's a big gap in the market for a 'proper' right-wing party with working class appeal, but it would take someone with remarkable political skills to translate that into a viable electoral vehicle. Farage is the closest thing they have at the moment to that person, but he's also yesterday's man and has too much baggage.

    Though none of the Reform leadership are remotely working class. They feel more Howard’s way / golf club membership than working class. Lee Anderson is more of an exception.
    Exactly. That's why they struggle to be coherent beyond being a respectable option to the right of the Conservatives.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 17
    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,735

    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    They'll need to arrange some fact-finding trips to locations where Angela Rayner holidayed during the period in question.
    "The police are looking at electoral registry fraud."

    Why does it take 12 police officers to read the relevant Act and see that there is a time limit of 12 months?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,735
    nico679 said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    All because of that arsehole Daly . Why do you need 12 police officers for this case . It all seems very strange given tax offenses would go to the HMRC , they then provide a dossier of info and the CPS then decide whether to prosecute .
    Low productivity in the public services in a nutshell.

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,518
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    viewcode said:

    Nobody here has read "Life of Pi" then?

    "Richard Parker"?

    Am sad :(

    It was ok
    I thought it was massively overrated. The huge twist did not make up for a decidedly average novel
    What twist? The Tiger fucks off at the end?
    All I remember is a twist. It was so forgettable I have (honestly) forgotten what it was. I was bewildered by the praise

    I have felt same about several Booker Prize winners and I gave up reading acclaimed literary fiction as a result, it was all so shit

    The nadir was some massively hyped book by Richard Ford which consisted of no plot whatsoever. And, what's more, the writing wasn't even that good. Not beautiful, not funny, not clever, just mildly well shaped. The only thing I remember is a bit where the protagonist spilt a bit of rootbeer
    I'm a bit of a reverse snob when it comes to acclaimed things. Critics tend to get a bit abstract in their praise as they hype it, or talk about how 'important' a work is, rather than if it is a good story or has good characters, adn that makes me naturally suspicious. I've even seen reviews for things I like that make them sound crap by doing that. Then you get stuff which is just perfectly ordinary, but because of who wrote it it's presented like some masterpiece of originality.

    Of course, I don't mind many acclaimed things, some are indeed good, but if it is super insightful or culturally important or whatever, I prefer to figure that out for myself.
    It's an affliction particular to literary novels, for some reason

    What I mean is: if a movie is widely acclaimed and I go see it, generally I think: Yeah, wow, that's great, or I do at least see why people love it (even if I don't). Likewise good TV drama, or conceptual art

    However the criticism of literary fiction commonly seems weirdly divorced from real merit. What is loved by a coterie of critics is often not just overpraised but actively mediocre or awful. It is a SURPRISE when I read an acclaimed novel and it turns out to be worth the hype

    However this does NOT affect non fiction, history, biography. If a history book wins loads of awards, it's generally really good

    This tells me that literary fiction is doomed, probably. As happened to modernist classical music. Sir Harrison Birtwistle, FFS
    The ability to turn out a good sentence is overrated; and the ability to craft a good plot underrated. The latter is far harder and far more important to the enjoyment of a book. This is one of the reasons JK Rowling is a modern hero. Moderate writer, absolute genius storyteller.

    If you are a writer who can write entertainingly but can't plot, why bother with fiction at all? Find something you're interested in and write about that. Like Hugh McIlvanney or Bill Bryson.
    JK Rowling is extraordinary in one respect. She is a superb storyteller, and can do it at length; except when she doesn't.

    Huge chunks of vols 5-7 of H Potter are turgidly dull, while 1-4 are a very decent read. Her detective series is on the whole outstanding (and no bloke can fail to warm to Robin Ellacott, her young female tec), but get longer and longer, and she reaches one called The Ink Black Heart which is about a million pages long and completely unreadable.

    Dickens was the same. When he is bad he is both interminable and unreadable.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,378

    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    They'll need to arrange some fact-finding trips to locations where Angela Rayner holidayed during the period in question.
    "The police are looking at electoral registry fraud."

    Why does it take 12 police officers to read the relevant Act and see that there is a time limit of 12 months?
    I hope it's because they wish to give Mr Daly a very large bill after charging him with wasting police time...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668

    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    They'll need to arrange some fact-finding trips to locations where Angela Rayner holidayed during the period in question.
    "The police are looking at electoral registry fraud."

    Why does it take 12 police officers to read the relevant Act and see that there is a time limit of 12 months?
    It's a very complex business with a case like this. They need a media relations specialist, a political communications specialist, an event manager, a legal liaison officer and a PR agent for starters.

    image
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,518

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    They'll be looking for her earnings from Basic Instinct.
  • isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    That would be smart of them. Mr Sunak is regarded as out of touch, incompetent and very thin-skinned. You can argue that is wrong but most people still believe it. For Lab to play to those existing public opinions only makes sense. It also seems quite easy to get under his skin on this theme and in a debate the average Sunak tetchy response will come across very badly. I'm not sure that can be coached out of him.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078

    TimS said:

    The numbers for Reform show that there's a big gap in the market for a 'proper' right-wing party with working class appeal, but it would take someone with remarkable political skills to translate that into a viable electoral vehicle. Farage is the closest thing they have at the moment to that person, but he's also yesterday's man and has too much baggage.

    Though none of the Reform leadership are remotely working class. They feel more Howard’s way / golf club membership than working class. Lee Anderson is more of an exception.
    Exactly. That's why they struggle to be coherent beyond being a respectable option to the right of the Conservatives.
    Respectable is an interesting term, when you are THAT far right.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    It's Rayner.

    R-A-Y-N-E-R.

    One of the great mysteries of PB is why, for all their degrees and PhDs, PBers still cannot spell the names of leading politicians.

    On a site dedicated to... politics.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668
    Cicero said:

    TimS said:

    The numbers for Reform show that there's a big gap in the market for a 'proper' right-wing party with working class appeal, but it would take someone with remarkable political skills to translate that into a viable electoral vehicle. Farage is the closest thing they have at the moment to that person, but he's also yesterday's man and has too much baggage.

    Though none of the Reform leadership are remotely working class. They feel more Howard’s way / golf club membership than working class. Lee Anderson is more of an exception.
    Exactly. That's why they struggle to be coherent beyond being a respectable option to the right of the Conservatives.
    Respectable is an interesting term, when you are THAT far right.
    How far right are they really? The Danish Social Democratic Party has policies on culture and immigration that are more hard line.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,910
    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Backbenchers watch it. IDS was ousted because he lost PMQs every week. The party actually did quite well at the ballot box while he was in charge.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 17

    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    That would be smart of them. Mr Sunak is regarded as out of touch, incompetent and very thin-skinned. You can argue that is wrong but most people still believe it. For Lab to play to those existing public opinions only makes sense. It also seems quite easy to get under his skin on this theme and in a debate the average Sunak tetchy response will come across very badly. I'm not sure that can be coached out of him.
    You wait til you see Sir Keir in a non soft soap interview - pure Partridge
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,647
    edited April 17

    Something might be lost in translation here but it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron came across quite pompously to Bibi (without meaning to do so) and what he articulated back was straightly asserting Israel's freedom of action from a former colonial power (largely for a domestic audience, whilst acknowledging the point at the margins) but which very easily translates in British ears to "go fuck yourself".

    There's history between those two*.

    Bibi's mentality is that any Brit that criticises Israel is an antisemite and he's never forgiven Dave for calling The Gaza Strip as the world's largest open air prison.

    I mean Bibi thinks the continent that gave the world The Holocaust should never tell Israel what to do.

    *There's history between Bibi and a few past Foreign Secretaries from Douglas Hurd to Boris Johnson to Phil Hammond.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,910
    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    According to the Telegraph, police are also looking at whether Angela Raynor falsely claimed the single occupant council tax discount (or presumably whether she claimed it at all). It is all a bit GOP vs Hunter Biden. A lot of smears but no clear allegation, let alone evidence.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    According to the Telegraph, police are also looking at whether Angela Raynor falsely claimed the single occupant council tax discount (or presumably whether she claimed it at all). It is all a bit GOP vs Hunter Biden. A lot of smears but no clear allegation, let alone evidence.
    As above.

    Rayner.

    R-A-Y-N-E-R.

    F-F-S.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,647
    Christ on a bike.

    Government officials have been accused of using “threatening and cruel” tactics towards unpaid carers by saying they could face even greater financial penalties if they appeal against “vindictive” benefit fines.

    This month a Guardian investigation revealed that thousands of people who look after disabled, frail or ill relatives have been forced to pay back huge sums after being chased by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over “honest mistakes” that officials could have spotted years earlier.

    Dozens of unpaid carers have said they feel powerless to challenge the penalties, which often run into many thousands of pounds, even when the government is at fault.

    Now the Guardian has learned that the DWP is warning carers that their fine may increase if they appeal against a repayment order.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/17/dwp-accused-cruel-tactics-unpaid-carers-appealing-fines
  • On topic - I wouldn't want to be backing Lab in the WM on those odds. Street won by 10% in 2021 when the WM has swung hard away from the Cons since then so he is obviously in trouble. The fact the Con candidates in WM, Tees and the EM are all frantically trying to disassociate themselves from the Con brand tells you what is happening on the doorsteps and in their own surveys.

    If candidate quality in the mayoral elections helps at all then it should help Street. However, his bowing the knee to No10 on HS2 may have dented that. That R&W poll is very poor for him but turnout in these elections could be very mixed and patchy.

    It looks 50-50 to me so the value must be on backing Street. Had he gone Independent I think he might have been better off but who knows. Perhaps Reform's second preferences will save him. What's that? Oh...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,910

    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    According to the Telegraph, police are also looking at whether Angela Raynor falsely claimed the single occupant council tax discount (or presumably whether she claimed it at all). It is all a bit GOP vs Hunter Biden. A lot of smears but no clear allegation, let alone evidence.
    As above.

    Rayner.

    R-A-Y-N-E-R.

    F-F-S.
    You mean there's two of them? No wonder it needs 12 coppers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    Christ on a bike.

    Government officials have been accused of using “threatening and cruel” tactics towards unpaid carers by saying they could face even greater financial penalties if they appeal against “vindictive” benefit fines.

    This month a Guardian investigation revealed that thousands of people who look after disabled, frail or ill relatives have been forced to pay back huge sums after being chased by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over “honest mistakes” that officials could have spotted years earlier.

    Dozens of unpaid carers have said they feel powerless to challenge the penalties, which often run into many thousands of pounds, even when the government is at fault.

    Now the Guardian has learned that the DWP is warning carers that their fine may increase if they appeal against a repayment order.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/17/dwp-accused-cruel-tactics-unpaid-carers-appealing-fines

    Look, at least they're not being prosecuted because of a cover up of faulty IT software, what more do you want?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104

    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    That would be smart of them. Mr Sunak is regarded as out of touch, incompetent and very thin-skinned. You can argue that is wrong but most people still believe it. For Lab to play to those existing public opinions only makes sense. It also seems quite easy to get under his skin on this theme and in a debate the average Sunak tetchy response will come across very badly. I'm not sure that can be coached out of him.
    Without wishing to be cruel at least one of those attributes appears to be incontestable, one has a lot of evidence to support it, and the other is simple opinion.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    viewcode said:

    Nobody here has read "Life of Pi" then?

    "Richard Parker"?

    Am sad :(

    It was ok
    I thought it was massively overrated. The huge twist did not make up for a decidedly average novel
    What twist? The Tiger fucks off at the end?
    All I remember is a twist. It was so forgettable I have (honestly) forgotten what it was. I was bewildered by the praise

    I have felt same about several Booker Prize winners and I gave up reading acclaimed literary fiction as a result, it was all so shit

    The nadir was some massively hyped book by Richard Ford which consisted of no plot whatsoever. And, what's more, the writing wasn't even that good. Not beautiful, not funny, not clever, just mildly well shaped. The only thing I remember is a bit where the protagonist spilt a bit of rootbeer
    I'm a bit of a reverse snob when it comes to acclaimed things. Critics tend to get a bit abstract in their praise as they hype it, or talk about how 'important' a work is, rather than if it is a good story or has good characters, adn that makes me naturally suspicious. I've even seen reviews for things I like that make them sound crap by doing that. Then you get stuff which is just perfectly ordinary, but because of who wrote it it's presented like some masterpiece of originality.

    Of course, I don't mind many acclaimed things, some are indeed good, but if it is super insightful or culturally important or whatever, I prefer to figure that out for myself.
    It's an affliction particular to literary novels, for some reason

    What I mean is: if a movie is widely acclaimed and I go see it, generally I think: Yeah, wow, that's great, or I do at least see why people love it (even if I don't). Likewise good TV drama, or conceptual art

    However the criticism of literary fiction commonly seems weirdly divorced from real merit. What is loved by a coterie of critics is often not just overpraised but actively mediocre or awful. It is a SURPRISE when I read an acclaimed novel and it turns out to be worth the hype

    However this does NOT affect non fiction, history, biography. If a history book wins loads of awards, it's generally really good

    This tells me that literary fiction is doomed, probably. As happened to modernist classical music. Sir Harrison Birtwistle, FFS
    The ability to turn out a good sentence is overrated; and the ability to craft a good plot underrated. The latter is far harder and far more important to the enjoyment of a book. This is one of the reasons JK Rowling is a modern hero. Moderate writer, absolute genius storyteller.

    If you are a writer who can write entertainingly but can't plot, why bother with fiction at all? Find something you're interested in and write about that. Like Hugh McIlvanney or Bill Bryson.
    JK Rowling is extraordinary in one respect. She is a superb storyteller, and can do it at length; except when she doesn't.

    Huge chunks of vols 5-7 of H Potter are turgidly dull, while 1-4 are a very decent read. Her detective series is on the whole outstanding (and no bloke can fail to warm to Robin Ellacott, her young female tec), but get longer and longer, and she reaches one called The Ink Black Heart which is about a million pages long and completely unreadable.

    Dickens was the same. When he is bad he is both interminable and unreadable.
    Isn't that just standard mega successful author problems when editors can no longer get them to trim things down a bit?

    Many a great piece of work has been made better by someone else reining the creator in a little, they even acknowledge as much in countless acknowledgements, but once you are so big is it so easy to accept that same approach?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,418
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384
    TimS said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Not much change with More In Common at 59-37 this evening. It's the only pollster now showing the Conservatives above 25%.

    The R&W Red Wall poll this evening has Labour on 44%, Conservatives on 24% and Reform on 18%. For both Labour and the Conservatives, those are low figures in this polling series while it's a new high for Reform.

    Among 2019 Conservative voters, only 46% are still loyal with 24% going for Reform (a post-Anderson lift?) and 17% Labour

    Reform on 18%? Bloody hell. There was I thinking they had peaked and were on the way down.

    We now have Reform on between 9 and 18% across pollsters. That’s a big spread, worse than even the Greens.
    That's 18% for Reform in a poll of "Red Wall" seats - some of their stronger areas.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    Always set a target which is impressive but easily attainable. Ambition is all very well, but set too high and even if you pretty well it will look like failure.

    The Scottish government is to ditch its flagship target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 75% by 2030.

    The final goal of reaching "net-zero" by 2045 will remain, but BBC Scotland News understands the government's annual climate targets could also go.

    Ministers have missed eight of the last 12 annual targets and have been told that reaching the 75% milestone by the end of the decade is unachievable.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68841141
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,316

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are yo
    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    There were some vague muttering about it. Bit that died when the new government of United Germany pledge their adherence to the post 1945 borders. They very much saw (and see themselves) as the Post War Germany. Prussia is not what they want or want to be.

    There’s nothing to go back to. The ethnic cleansing in the area removed all the landmarks, cultural and otherwise, with the people. A few old people could have gone back to find the farm gone. Under an apartment building…

    Plus, the locals are now Russians. Germany had no interest in acquiring a piece of land occupied by people who don’t want to be German.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    SSI2 - Disturbing because it is more evidence that far too many voters are locked into their choices, months before election. We aren't listening to each other, as much as we should.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,104
    Motion to consider repealing Arizona's territorial era abortion law FAILS in a vote of 30-30.
    https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1780662412255072451
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,647
    The government has agreed to have an independent expert review of a Post Office IT system predating Horizon, amid claims dozens more sub-postmasters may have been wrongly convicted.

    The Capture software was rolled out across branches in the 1990s, years before the notorious Horizon system was introduced.

    Post Office minister Kevin Hollinrake has met with a former sub-postmaster and a lawyer representing 35 people who believe they were wrongly accused of stealing.

    Steve Marston, 68, believes he was wrongly convicted of theft and false accounting after errors caused by Capture accounting software.

    Auditors found shortfalls of £79,000 at his branch in Greater Manchester in 1998. He subsequently pleaded guilty to theft and false accounting.


    https://news.sky.com/story/review-ordered-into-another-post-office-it-system-amid-claims-of-more-wrongful-convictions-13117435
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,104
    edited April 17
    Nigelb said:

    Motion to consider repealing Arizona's territorial era abortion law FAILS in a vote of 30-30.
    https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1780662412255072451

    Wiki says the Arizona House of Representatives is split 31 Republican 29 Democrat (16-14 in the Senate). Truly is a knifeedge state.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,647
    Nigelb said:

    Motion to consider repealing Arizona's territorial era abortion law FAILS in a vote of 30-30.
    https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1780662412255072451

    Blue Wave coming to Arizona in November.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384
    I think part of the problem with "literary" fiction is the snooty attitude to "genre" fiction. There are a bunch of very good writers who are completely overlooked by the literary fiction world because they're writing genre fiction, and so it creates a much more restricted pool of ideas and people for literary fiction to operate in.

    It would be like the Oscars restricting itself only to "arthouse" style films and ignoring films like Avatar and Lord of the Rings.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,316
    eek said:

    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    They'll need to arrange some fact-finding trips to locations where Angela Rayner holidayed during the period in question.
    "The police are looking at electoral registry fraud."

    Why does it take 12 police officers to read the relevant Act and see that there is a time limit of 12 months?
    I hope it's because they wish to give Mr Daly a very large bill after charging him with wasting police time...
    Nope

    Have you heard why certain police officers are called Eternal Flame? Because they never go out on duty, just work from the office.

    Except when they are trying to find missing children in Portuguese holiday areas Then they are on the plane, every summer, like tramps on chips.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,935

    Christ on a bike.

    Government officials have been accused of using “threatening and cruel” tactics towards unpaid carers by saying they could face even greater financial penalties if they appeal against “vindictive” benefit fines.

    This month a Guardian investigation revealed that thousands of people who look after disabled, frail or ill relatives have been forced to pay back huge sums after being chased by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over “honest mistakes” that officials could have spotted years earlier.

    Dozens of unpaid carers have said they feel powerless to challenge the penalties, which often run into many thousands of pounds, even when the government is at fault.

    Now the Guardian has learned that the DWP is warning carers that their fine may increase if they appeal against a repayment order.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/17/dwp-accused-cruel-tactics-unpaid-carers-appealing-fines

    The DWP seem to have recruited their management from the Post Office.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,316
    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    viewcode said:

    Nobody here has read "Life of Pi" then?

    "Richard Parker"?

    Am sad :(

    It was ok
    I thought it was massively overrated. The huge twist did not make up for a decidedly average novel
    What twist? The Tiger fucks off at the end?
    All I remember is a twist. It was so forgettable I have (honestly) forgotten what it was. I was bewildered by the praise

    I have felt same about several Booker Prize winners and I gave up reading acclaimed literary fiction as a result, it was all so shit

    The nadir was some massively hyped book by Richard Ford which consisted of no plot whatsoever. And, what's more, the writing wasn't even that good. Not beautiful, not funny, not clever, just mildly well shaped. The only thing I remember is a bit where the protagonist spilt a bit of rootbeer
    I'm a bit of a reverse snob when it comes to acclaimed things. Critics tend to get a bit abstract in their praise as they hype it, or talk about how 'important' a work is, rather than if it is a good story or has good characters, adn that makes me naturally suspicious. I've even seen reviews for things I like that make them sound crap by doing that. Then you get stuff which is just perfectly ordinary, but because of who wrote it it's presented like some masterpiece of originality.

    Of course, I don't mind many acclaimed things, some are indeed good, but if it is super insightful or culturally important or whatever, I prefer to figure that out for myself.
    It's an affliction particular to literary novels, for some reason

    What I mean is: if a movie is widely acclaimed and I go see it, generally I think: Yeah, wow, that's great, or I do at least see why people love it (even if I don't). Likewise good TV drama, or conceptual art

    However the criticism of literary fiction commonly seems weirdly divorced from real merit. What is loved by a coterie of critics is often not just overpraised but actively mediocre or awful. It is a SURPRISE when I read an acclaimed novel and it turns out to be worth the hype

    However this does NOT affect non fiction, history, biography. If a history book wins loads of awards, it's generally really good

    This tells me that literary fiction is doomed, probably. As happened to modernist classical music. Sir Harrison Birtwistle, FFS
    The ability to turn out a good sentence is overrated; and the ability to craft a good plot underrated. The latter is far harder and far more important to the enjoyment of a book. This is one of the reasons JK Rowling is a modern hero. Moderate writer, absolute genius storyteller.

    If you are a writer who can write entertainingly but can't plot, why bother with fiction at all? Find something you're interested in and write about that. Like Hugh McIlvanney or Bill Bryson.
    JK Rowling is extraordinary in one respect. She is a superb storyteller, and can do it at length; except when she doesn't.

    Huge chunks of vols 5-7 of H Potter are turgidly dull, while 1-4 are a very decent read. Her detective series is on the whole outstanding (and no bloke can fail to warm to Robin Ellacott, her young female tec), but get longer and longer, and she reaches one called The Ink Black Heart which is about a million pages long and completely unreadable.

    Dickens was the same. When he is bad he is both interminable and unreadable.
    Isn't that just standard mega successful author problems when editors can no longer get them to trim things down a bit?

    Many a great piece of work has been made better by someone else reining the creator in a little, they even acknowledge as much in countless acknowledgements, but once you are so big is it so easy to accept that same approach?
    Yes.

    See Ann Rice’s rant when someone suggested that her work needed editing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,857

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Backbenchers watch it. IDS was ousted because he lost PMQs every week. The party actually did quite well at the ballot box while he was in charge.
    IDS never lost a General Election while he was Leader!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384
    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,919
    edited April 17
    Just had an email from the Jazz Café in Camden advertising, among many shows of their own, one at Koko (also in Camden) by a band I've mentioned a few times on here

    They're called Scary Pockets and are a funk band from LA. They do funk covers of well known songs really, really well

    The songs they cover are chosen by their Patreon followers, and the band leader (and keyboard player) is Patreon co-founder Jack Conte

    He's the only constant in the band; there are different singers and musicians for almost every video

    Their last two shows at Koko sold out and I expect that this one will too

    https://thejazzcafelondon.com/event/scary-pockets-at-koko/

    I love their version of Mmmbop

    https://youtu.be/fiShsfvbFUA?si=V4as8S3G6Sbzk0Cs

    Friday 12 July
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,316

    Christ on a bike.

    Government officials have been accused of using “threatening and cruel” tactics towards unpaid carers by saying they could face even greater financial penalties if they appeal against “vindictive” benefit fines.

    This month a Guardian investigation revealed that thousands of people who look after disabled, frail or ill relatives have been forced to pay back huge sums after being chased by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over “honest mistakes” that officials could have spotted years earlier.

    Dozens of unpaid carers have said they feel powerless to challenge the penalties, which often run into many thousands of pounds, even when the government is at fault.

    Now the Guardian has learned that the DWP is warning carers that their fine may increase if they appeal against a repayment order.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/17/dwp-accused-cruel-tactics-unpaid-carers-appealing-fines

    The DWP seem to have recruited their management from the Post Office.
    After the Second World War,

    1) The Russians got the engineers who built the V2
    2) The Americans got the engineers who designed the V2
    3) The French got quite a few aeronautical engineers from Germany.
    :
    :
    X) The UK seems to have got… parking wardens, policemen and border guards.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,796

    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    viewcode said:

    Nobody here has read "Life of Pi" then?

    "Richard Parker"?

    Am sad :(

    It was ok
    I thought it was massively overrated. The huge twist did not make up for a decidedly average novel
    What twist? The Tiger fucks off at the end?
    All I remember is a twist. It was so forgettable I have (honestly) forgotten what it was. I was bewildered by the praise

    I have felt same about several Booker Prize winners and I gave up reading acclaimed literary fiction as a result, it was all so shit

    The nadir was some massively hyped book by Richard Ford which consisted of no plot whatsoever. And, what's more, the writing wasn't even that good. Not beautiful, not funny, not clever, just mildly well shaped. The only thing I remember is a bit where the protagonist spilt a bit of rootbeer
    I'm a bit of a reverse snob when it comes to acclaimed things. Critics tend to get a bit abstract in their praise as they hype it, or talk about how 'important' a work is, rather than if it is a good story or has good characters, adn that makes me naturally suspicious. I've even seen reviews for things I like that make them sound crap by doing that. Then you get stuff which is just perfectly ordinary, but because of who wrote it it's presented like some masterpiece of originality.

    Of course, I don't mind many acclaimed things, some are indeed good, but if it is super insightful or culturally important or whatever, I prefer to figure that out for myself.
    It's an affliction particular to literary novels, for some reason

    What I mean is: if a movie is widely acclaimed and I go see it, generally I think: Yeah, wow, that's great, or I do at least see why people love it (even if I don't). Likewise good TV drama, or conceptual art

    However the criticism of literary fiction commonly seems weirdly divorced from real merit. What is loved by a coterie of critics is often not just overpraised but actively mediocre or awful. It is a SURPRISE when I read an acclaimed novel and it turns out to be worth the hype

    However this does NOT affect non fiction, history, biography. If a history book wins loads of awards, it's generally really good

    This tells me that literary fiction is doomed, probably. As happened to modernist classical music. Sir Harrison Birtwistle, FFS
    The ability to turn out a good sentence is overrated; and the ability to craft a good plot underrated. The latter is far harder and far more important to the enjoyment of a book. This is one of the reasons JK Rowling is a modern hero. Moderate writer, absolute genius storyteller.

    If you are a writer who can write entertainingly but can't plot, why bother with fiction at all? Find something you're interested in and write about that. Like Hugh McIlvanney or Bill Bryson.
    JK Rowling is extraordinary in one respect. She is a superb storyteller, and can do it at length; except when she doesn't.

    Huge chunks of vols 5-7 of H Potter are turgidly dull, while 1-4 are a very decent read. Her detective series is on the whole outstanding (and no bloke can fail to warm to Robin Ellacott, her young female tec), but get longer and longer, and she reaches one called The Ink Black Heart which is about a million pages long and completely unreadable.

    Dickens was the same. When he is bad he is both interminable and unreadable.
    Isn't that just standard mega successful author problems when editors can no longer get them to trim things down a bit?

    Many a great piece of work has been made better by someone else reining the creator in a little, they even acknowledge as much in countless acknowledgements, but once you are so big is it so easy to accept that same approach?
    Yes.

    See Ann Rice’s rant when someone suggested that her work needed editing.
    Looks at Bjork's recent albums.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    SSI2 - Disturbing because it is more evidence that far too many voters are locked into their choices, months before election. We aren't listening to each other, as much as we should.

    But isn't the change in AZ 2024 prognostication due to many voters UNLOCKING their previous choices, precisely because they ARE listening to what different sides are saying AND doing?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,796
    edited April 17

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    It’s COLD

    Well I never, Leon is at home and I am not...mind you, it's quite cold here as well, but less so than at home
    Nice!

    Cold and French but also slightly Flemish-looking buildings, so I'm guessing somewhere in Picardy?
    Or maybe the Jura?
    I think it's Alsace. Those buildings look germanic.
    Mulhouse
    Top of the class, assuming no image search

    My dinner is a hearty bowl of pasta, lightly smoked ham, fermented cabbage, all covered in melted cheese.
    No image search. Clearly not Strasbourg, and too urban looking to be Colmar.
    Nice part of world. Beautiful wines including the best cooperatives in France, and you get to hop across the border where the Germans make their cheapest but nice plonk.
    Bravo. I don't know Alsace that well, apart from Strasbourg

    I am actually off to France myself, at the weekend. The frigging forecast there looks little better. COLD for April
    Like many border zones that have swapped between very different cultures, Alsace is well worth a visit. Some charming towns and villages, mostly untouched by war, excellent wines often overlooked by the UK market, and its distinctive cuisine which is fine provided your heart holds out. Thoroughly Frenchified now, if with a lingering Germanic accent, yet most of the adults' grandparents would have been German speaking.
    I have been to Strsbourg etc. And driven though a few times. I don't like the food much, because I really dislike German food, and you can detect the Teutonic influence (as you say)

    The military history is fascinating. You can still tell it is THE border. France/Germany. Lots of barracks and forts and the like. Soldiers training. Cemeteries
    Königsbourg is an astonishing sight, seen from a distance
    You're not referring to the Russian's WWII booty in Kaliningrad, are yo
    They effectively annexed the top half of what was East Prussia, depopulated it and filled it with Russians. The southern half was given to Poland, but at least they and Germany have a border treaty now with agreement on treatment of ancestors and families.

    It should really have been given back to Germany after the Cold War or, at worst, Poland with some recognition that some of the German diaspora could return there.
    There were some vague muttering about it. Bit that died when the new government of United Germany pledge their adherence to the post 1945 borders. They very much saw (and see themselves) as the Post War Germany. Prussia is not what they want or want to be.

    There’s nothing to go back to. The ethnic cleansing in the area removed all the landmarks, cultural and otherwise, with the people. A few old people could have gone back to find the farm gone. Under an apartment building…

    Plus, the locals are now Russians. Germany had no interest in acquiring a piece of land occupied by people who don’t want to be German.
    That doesn't sound very German of the Germans.

    :: fetches "I love 'Allo 'Allo" coat ::
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    Man City 0
    Real Madrid 1

    29 mins
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,796

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    It's Rayner.

    R-A-Y-N-E-R.

    One of the great mysteries of PB is why, for all their degrees and PhDs, PBers still cannot spell the names of leading politicians.

    On a site dedicated to... politics.
    She works with Kier Starmer if I remember right?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,272
    nico679 said:

    The HOL should absolutely refuse to pass the Rwanda Bill unless the government accepts the amendment which gives an exemption to those who supported the British army in Afghanistan.

    Only one Tory MP supported that amendment today , the rest showed zero humanity . Absolute scum the lot of them .

    People who disagree with you on politics are not “scum”

    They just disagree with you.

    Your approach is part of what is wrong with modern politics and society as a whole: it is course and uncouth: aggressive and unpleasant.

    Your post would have been just as (if not more) powerful without the last sentence
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384
    edited April 17
    I'm surprised by the details coming out about the proposed Ukraine funding bill from Mike Johnson. It looks like if it does go to a vote on Saturday as he promised that it will (a) pass, (b) pass the Senate, (c) be signed by Biden, and, (d) include everything that would have been sent since November if he hadn't wasted time.

    So, what's the catch? Why did he delay so long and why has he apparently stopped delaying?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,919
    ohnotnow said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    It's Rayner.

    R-A-Y-N-E-R.

    One of the great mysteries of PB is why, for all their degrees and PhDs, PBers still cannot spell the names of leading politicians.

    On a site dedicated to... politics.
    She works with Kier Starmer if I remember right?
    She thinks that Biros Johnstone and Sushi Rinak are smuc
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,102
    ohnotnow said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    It's Rayner.

    R-A-Y-N-E-R.

    One of the great mysteries of PB is why, for all their degrees and PhDs, PBers still cannot spell the names of leading politicians.

    On a site dedicated to... politics.
    She works with Kier Starmer if I remember right?
    Alongside Teresa May
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,796
    TimS said:

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    That much can’t be true. Tax issues are a matter for HMRC. The police are looking at electoral registry fraud.
    I think the police are looking at how best they can have been seen to look at something.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728
    kle4 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    viewcode said:

    Nobody here has read "Life of Pi" then?

    "Richard Parker"?

    Am sad :(

    It was ok
    I thought it was massively overrated. The huge twist did not make up for a decidedly average novel
    What twist? The Tiger fucks off at the end?
    All I remember is a twist. It was so forgettable I have (honestly) forgotten what it was. I was bewildered by the praise

    I have felt same about several Booker Prize winners and I gave up reading acclaimed literary fiction as a result, it was all so shit

    The nadir was some massively hyped book by Richard Ford which consisted of no plot whatsoever. And, what's more, the writing wasn't even that good. Not beautiful, not funny, not clever, just mildly well shaped. The only thing I remember is a bit where the protagonist spilt a bit of rootbeer
    I'm a bit of a reverse snob when it comes to acclaimed things. Critics tend to get a bit abstract in their praise as they hype it, or talk about how 'important' a work is, rather than if it is a good story or has good characters, adn that makes me naturally suspicious. I've even seen reviews for things I like that make them sound crap by doing that. Then you get stuff which is just perfectly ordinary, but because of who wrote it it's presented like some masterpiece of originality.

    Of course, I don't mind many acclaimed things, some are indeed good, but if it is super insightful or culturally important or whatever, I prefer to figure that out for myself.
    It's an affliction particular to literary novels, for some reason

    What I mean is: if a movie is widely acclaimed and I go see it, generally I think: Yeah, wow, that's great, or I do at least see why people love it (even if I don't). Likewise good TV drama, or conceptual art

    However the criticism of literary fiction commonly seems weirdly divorced from real merit. What is loved by a coterie of critics is often not just overpraised but actively mediocre or awful. It is a SURPRISE when I read an acclaimed novel and it turns out to be worth the hype

    However this does NOT affect non fiction, history, biography. If a history book wins loads of awards, it's generally really good

    This tells me that literary fiction is doomed, probably. As happened to modernist classical music. Sir Harrison Birtwistle, FFS
    The ability to turn out a good sentence is overrated; and the ability to craft a good plot underrated. The latter is far harder and far more important to the enjoyment of a book. This is one of the reasons JK Rowling is a modern hero. Moderate writer, absolute genius storyteller.

    If you are a writer who can write entertainingly but can't plot, why bother with fiction at all? Find something you're interested in and write about that. Like Hugh McIlvanney or Bill Bryson.
    JK Rowling is extraordinary in one respect. She is a superb storyteller, and can do it at length; except when she doesn't.

    Huge chunks of vols 5-7 of H Potter are turgidly dull, while 1-4 are a very decent read. Her detective series is on the whole outstanding (and no bloke can fail to warm to Robin Ellacott, her young female tec), but get longer and longer, and she reaches one called The Ink Black Heart which is about a million pages long and completely unreadable.

    Dickens was the same. When he is bad he is both interminable and unreadable.
    Isn't that just standard mega successful author problems when editors can no longer get them to trim things down a bit?

    Many a great piece of work has been made better by someone else reining the creator in a little, they even acknowledge as much in countless acknowledgements, but once you are so big is it so easy to accept that same approach?
    The Ink Black Heart was a bit of a dud in the series because it bites off more than it can chew. There's a reason novels are yet to truly get to grips with the form of social media and online discourse, it's tedious to wade through (no offence to fellow PBers). Still quite compelling in its own way though and clearly there to make a point, which it makes fairly well.

    The newest one, The Running Grave, is also long but also may well be the best in the Strike series. It's like she needed to experiment a bit with the previous book then absolutely nails it in this one.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,796

    I'm surprised by the details coming out about the proposed Ukraine funding bill from Mike Johnson. It looks like if it does go to a vote on Saturday as he promised that it will (a) pass, (b) pass the Senate, (c) be signed by Biden, and, (d) include everything that would have been sent since November if he hadn't wasted time.

    So, what's the catch? Why did he delay so long and why has he apparently stopped delaying?

    Given a massive bribe before the elections?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,518

    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.

    If you look at the entire list of Booker winners (and shortlisted) from 1969 onwards it feels mostly like a retirement home for lost causes and forgotten dreams. There should be a competition for the most obscure, most forgotten, most unread etc.

    Having said that, over 40 years ago I developed a random liking for the now wholly forgotten and unread Stanley Middleton and I am still amazed that he won the Booker prize in 1974 for 'Holiday'. Which is OK, but Wuthering Heights it ain't.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.

    Rave reviews:

    "Definitely flawed!" - Guardian

    "Wasn't dreadful!" - London Review of Books

    "Not a complete waste of time!" - Bognor Bugle
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,567
    edited April 17
    algarkirk said:

    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.

    If you look at the entire list of Booker winners (and shortlisted) from 1969 onwards it feels mostly like a retirement home for lost causes and forgotten dreams. There should be a competition for the most obscure, most forgotten, most unread etc.

    Having said that, over 40 years ago I developed a random liking for the now wholly forgotten and unread Stanley Middleton and I am still amazed that he won the Booker prize in 1974 for 'Holiday'. Which is OK, but Wuthering Heights it ain't.
    Kazuo Ishiguro winning in 1989 was arguably the high point of the prize.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,104

    Christ on a bike.

    Government officials have been accused of using “threatening and cruel” tactics towards unpaid carers by saying they could face even greater financial penalties if they appeal against “vindictive” benefit fines.

    This month a Guardian investigation revealed that thousands of people who look after disabled, frail or ill relatives have been forced to pay back huge sums after being chased by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over “honest mistakes” that officials could have spotted years earlier.

    Dozens of unpaid carers have said they feel powerless to challenge the penalties, which often run into many thousands of pounds, even when the government is at fault.

    Now the Guardian has learned that the DWP is warning carers that their fine may increase if they appeal against a repayment order.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/17/dwp-accused-cruel-tactics-unpaid-carers-appealing-fines

    The DWP seem to have recruited their management from the Post Office.
    I guess Mel Stride might have a legacy after all.
    Not the way I'd want to be remembered.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226

    nico679 said:

    The HOL should absolutely refuse to pass the Rwanda Bill unless the government accepts the amendment which gives an exemption to those who supported the British army in Afghanistan.

    Only one Tory MP supported that amendment today , the rest showed zero humanity . Absolute scum the lot of them .

    People who disagree with you on politics are not “scum”

    They just disagree with you.

    Your approach is part of what is wrong with modern politics and society as a whole: it is course and uncouth: aggressive and unpleasant.

    Your post would have been just as (if not more) powerful without the last sentence
    Up to a point.

    Is Putin scum? Has Trump gone far enough beyond the norms of democracy to be scum? There's a line where "disagree with what you say but respect your right to say it" doesn't cut it any more.

    Now, there's no question that some on the left throw around abuse like that too casually. But some wrongness does go beyond disagreement. And Rwanda Max (which, remember, has zero democratic mandate from the public)... if it doesn't cross the line, it comes blooming close.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I'm surprised by the details coming out about the proposed Ukraine funding bill from Mike Johnson. It looks like if it does go to a vote on Saturday as he promised that it will (a) pass, (b) pass the Senate, (c) be signed by Biden, and, (d) include everything that would have been sent since November if he hadn't wasted time.

    So, what's the catch? Why did he delay so long and why has he apparently stopped delaying?

    If you think that legislative process in US is a straightforward matter of shortest line between points A and B, then I have a very nice bridge over the East River that you might be interested in purchasing?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,272

    Seems even Scotland is upsetting the EU

    Furious European Union officials have demanded talks with the British Government over a new fishing regulation, which has sparked anger among Eurocrats.

    The European Commission wants an explanation three months after leaders in London and devolved Scotland announced the end of industrial sand eel fishing.

    This announcement, dating back to the end of January, was made on environmental grounds and was welcomed by, among others, the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB).

    But the decision to ban the industrial fishing of sand eel in the English waters of the North Sea and all Scottish waters respectively has sparked anger in Denmark.

    This has led leaders in Brussels to trigger on April 16 the dispute settlement mechanism in the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA). When triggered, this mechanism asks the EU and Britain to try to reach an agreement on the matter within 30 days - or more, if they agree to extend talks.

    If the parties can't strike a deal, Brussels may request an arbitration tribunal adjudicate on the "compatibility of the UK's measures" with provisions in the agreement, which the EU executive said called for an "evidence-based, proportionate and non-discriminatory" approach to marine conservation.

    How are they going to wriggle out of that?
    Make them feel eel-at-ease about it?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,272

    Something might be lost in translation here but it wouldn't surprise me if Cameron came across quite pompously to Bibi (without meaning to do so) and what he articulated back was straightly asserting Israel's freedom of action from a former colonial power (largely for a domestic audience, whilst acknowledging the point at the margins) but which very easily translates in British ears to "go fuck yourself".

    There's history between those two*.

    Bibi's mentality is that any Brit that criticises Israel is an antisemite and he's never forgiven Dave for calling The Gaza Strip as the world's largest open air prison.

    I mean Bibi thinks the continent that gave the world The Holocaust should never tell Israel what to do.

    *There's history between Bibi and a few past Foreign Secretaries from Douglas Hurd to Boris Johnson to Phil Hammond.
    Reminds me of the old saying:

    If you meet one arsehole a day, you meet an arsehole.

    If you only meet arseholes then you’re the arsehole

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384

    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.

    Rave reviews:

    "Definitely flawed!" - Guardian

    "Wasn't dreadful!" - London Review of Books

    "Not a complete waste of time!" - Bognor Bugle
    Too many reviews are too positive.

    People have only been mean about the Truss book, probably fairly, because she's a politician.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728

    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    isam said:

    nico679 said:

    isam said:

    Several hours later, I've caught up with PMQs. Rishi was surprisingly good when answering questions rather than reciting his scripted attack lines. Has there been a change of personnel in his PMQs prep team?

    Yes, I watched it for the first time in a year or so. It was clever to contrast his attitude with Truss (telling her, correctly it seems, she was wrong on economics) with Sir Keir’s to Corbyn (make him
    PM)


    His first answer, (read Rayner’s tax advice rather than Truss’s book) was pretty good too. Times Radio (Matt Chorley & Tim Shipman) said it was his best PMQs
    Shame nobody watches it apart from political junkies like us in here.
    Yes, actually Times Radio said that people made that point, but countered that it does give you a taste of how the leaders will go in the debates/which policies they’ll be looking to attack

    Rishi the billionaire for instance seems to be where Labour are going
    That would be smart of them. Mr Sunak is regarded as out of touch, incompetent and very thin-skinned. You can argue that is wrong but most people still believe it. For Lab to play to those existing public opinions only makes sense. It also seems quite easy to get under his skin on this theme and in a debate the average Sunak tetchy response will come across very badly. I'm not sure that can be coached out of him.
    The difficulty for Sunak is that unlike Cameron, Osborne or Johnson, who in their own way played down their privileged backgrounds, Sunak is clearly very proud of his wealth, schooling and the trappings of getting to the top. Which is fine as a person. He's done well for himself and I'm sure many of us would be the same if we were so fortunate.

    But as a PM in a country that for 14 long years has been told we can't have nice things because the cupboard is bare or some other Tory tilt at windmills is needed, it's a very bad look.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,857
    Nigelb said:

    Christ on a bike.

    Government officials have been accused of using “threatening and cruel” tactics towards unpaid carers by saying they could face even greater financial penalties if they appeal against “vindictive” benefit fines.

    This month a Guardian investigation revealed that thousands of people who look after disabled, frail or ill relatives have been forced to pay back huge sums after being chased by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over “honest mistakes” that officials could have spotted years earlier.

    Dozens of unpaid carers have said they feel powerless to challenge the penalties, which often run into many thousands of pounds, even when the government is at fault.

    Now the Guardian has learned that the DWP is warning carers that their fine may increase if they appeal against a repayment order.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/17/dwp-accused-cruel-tactics-unpaid-carers-appealing-fines

    The DWP seem to have recruited their management from the Post Office.
    I guess Mel Stride might have a legacy after all.
    Not the way I'd want to be remembered.
    Ain't nothin' gonna break Mel Stride
    Nobody gonna slow me down, oh no
    I got to keep on movin'
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,272

    I'm surprised by the details coming out about the proposed Ukraine funding bill from Mike Johnson. It looks like if it does go to a vote on Saturday as he promised that it will (a) pass, (b) pass the Senate, (c) be signed by Biden, and, (d) include everything that would have been sent since November if he hadn't wasted time.

    So, what's the catch? Why did he delay so long and why has he apparently stopped delaying?

    A) party politics - he liked the job of speaker and didn’t want to upset the nut jobs

    B1) once they announced plans to sack him he didn’t have any reason to try and keep them sweet

    B2) he realised that if Ukraine lost on his watch history would not be favourable to him
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,919
    Does Slalom Sir Keir have a sewer solution?

    Has he worked out a way to separate our shit from our rainwater?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,668

    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.

    Rave reviews:

    "Definitely flawed!" - Guardian

    "Wasn't dreadful!" - London Review of Books

    "Not a complete waste of time!" - Bognor Bugle
    Too many reviews are too positive.

    People have only been mean about the Truss book, probably fairly, because she's a politician.
    She’s a leading Anglosphere philosopher.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,876

    Can it be true? There are now 12 police officers in manchester looking at the Raynor tax issue?

    Madness. Utter madness.

    Hey you can't expect them to go investigate burglary's they would have to leave the office
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,272

    nico679 said:

    The HOL should absolutely refuse to pass the Rwanda Bill unless the government accepts the amendment which gives an exemption to those who supported the British army in Afghanistan.

    Only one Tory MP supported that amendment today , the rest showed zero humanity . Absolute scum the lot of them .

    People who disagree with you on politics are not “scum”

    They just disagree with you.

    Your approach is part of what is wrong with modern politics and society as a whole: it is course and uncouth: aggressive and unpleasant.

    Your post would have been just as (if not more) powerful without the last sentence
    Up to a point.

    Is Putin scum? Has Trump gone far enough beyond the norms of democracy to be scum? There's a line where "disagree with what you say but respect your right to say it" doesn't cut it any more.

    Now, there's no question that some on the left throw around abuse like that too casually. But some wrongness does go beyond disagreement. And Rwanda Max (which, remember, has zero democratic mandate from the public)... if it doesn't cross
    the line, it comes blooming close.
    Nah - thug, crook, evil: all legitimate statements of opinion. “Scum” is just an ugly word about people who are some way off being as bad as Putin
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384

    Does Slalom Sir Keir have a sewer solution?

    Has he worked out a way to separate our shit from our rainwater?

    If you slow down rainwater runoff - as people have been advocating for ages as a flood avoidance measure - then you also reduce the peak flow in sewers, which should have the added benefit of reducing sewer overflow into rivers.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,384

    That said, I've read a few books from the Booker prize longlist from last year, and they were interesting enough. I don't remember whether any of the ones I read were shortlisted or not. I'd definitely say they were flawed books, but they weren't dreadful, and I didn't feel like I wasted my time reading them.

    Rave reviews:

    "Definitely flawed!" - Guardian

    "Wasn't dreadful!" - London Review of Books

    "Not a complete waste of time!" - Bognor Bugle
    Too many reviews are too positive.

    People have only been mean about the Truss book, probably fairly, because she's a politician.
    She’s a leading Anglosphere philosopher.
    "Crisis In Anglosphere Philosophy"
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    viewcode said:

    Nobody here has read "Life of Pi" then?

    "Richard Parker"?

    Am sad :(

    It was ok
    I thought it was massively overrated. The huge twist did not make up for a decidedly average novel
    What twist? The Tiger fucks off at the end?
    All I remember is a twist. It was so forgettable I have (honestly) forgotten what it was. I was bewildered by the praise

    I have felt same about several Booker Prize winners and I gave up reading acclaimed literary fiction as a result, it was all so shit

    The nadir was some massively hyped book by Richard Ford which consisted of no plot whatsoever. And, what's more, the writing wasn't even that good. Not beautiful, not funny, not clever, just mildly well shaped. The only thing I remember is a bit where the protagonist spilt a bit of rootbeer
    I'm a bit of a reverse snob when it comes to acclaimed things. Critics tend to get a bit abstract in their praise as they hype it, or talk about how 'important' a work is, rather than if it is a good story or has good characters, adn that makes me naturally suspicious. I've even seen reviews for things I like that make them sound crap by doing that. Then you get stuff which is just perfectly ordinary, but because of who wrote it it's presented like some masterpiece of originality.

    Of course, I don't mind many acclaimed things, some are indeed good, but if it is super insightful or culturally important or whatever, I prefer to figure that out for myself.
    It's an affliction particular to literary novels, for some reason

    What I mean is: if a movie is widely acclaimed and I go see it, generally I think: Yeah, wow, that's great, or I do at least see why people love it (even if I don't). Likewise good TV drama, or conceptual art

    However the criticism of literary fiction commonly seems weirdly divorced from real merit. What is loved by a coterie of critics is often not just overpraised but actively mediocre or awful. It is a SURPRISE when I read an acclaimed novel and it turns out to be worth the hype

    However this does NOT affect non fiction, history, biography. If a history book wins loads of awards, it's generally really good

    This tells me that literary fiction is doomed, probably. As happened to modernist classical music. Sir Harrison Birtwistle, FFS
    The ability to turn out a good sentence is overrated; and the ability to craft a good plot underrated. The latter is far harder and far more important to the enjoyment of a book. This is one of the reasons JK Rowling is a modern hero. Moderate writer, absolute genius storyteller.

    If you are a writer who can write entertainingly but can't plot, why bother with fiction at all? Find something you're interested in and write about that. Like Hugh McIlvanney or Bill Bryson.
    I agree with a lot of that except a good plot is not absolutely essential for a great novel. Austen's Emma for example doesn't really have much of a plot but is a masterpiece. Having said that, Austen could get away with it, most authors can't.
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