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edited March 21 in General
I think the Telegraph are reading too much into this however… – politicalbetting.com

? Penny Mordaunt failed to praise Rishi Sunak when challenged to confirm her support for the Prime Minister today amid speculation about a plot to oust himRead more?https://t.co/o5JcrK4R2c pic.twitter.com/pWOsgXh40a

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    edited March 21
    First like Arsenal.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,870
    A Penny for her thoughts
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,827
    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090
    edited March 21
    New trick for the Tories:

    Ask if their voters are sword swallowers
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,978
    Damning with ain't praise.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
  • TazTaz Posts: 11,017

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Do they not work when they are in their constituencies as well ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Do they not work when they are in their constituencies as well ?
    Nah, it's easier for people just to assume they don't.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,565
    @Leon said on the last thread:

    When I became a parent I realised that when parents say “I would die to save my kids” they really mean it. But maybe not quite in the noble altruistic way it comes across

    What they are saying is: I would rather be dead myself than deal with the grief from a dead child

    I replied on the last thread, but the last thread ended and I was touched by Leon's comment so replied as follows and wanted to be sure he saw it so am repeating here:

    Yep. I'm no softy when it comes to people dying. I don't cry at funerals. But yes I would do anything to save my children, particularly when they were toddlers and I was looking after them and it would not have been noble or altruistic, it would have just been instinct, so I can't even say it would be because I couldn't cope with the grief. Although I know I wouldn't have been able to. My wife really had to talk me into having children. It was definitely worth it even though they can be annoying sometimes.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 2,194

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Most MPs are at work in their constituencies too. It's an impossible job, and all the reward a back bencher gets is sneering from the ignorant.
    It is also an increasingly dangerous job, because the psychotic take their cue from bullshit comments like this.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,406
    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,019
    UKIP never led the Tories in an opinion poll, though they did get to within one point once.

    The Brexit Party was nine points ahead of the Tories (26-17) in two opinion polls in the dying days of Theresa May's leadership.

    One other interesting aspect is that the aggregate score for the two parties seems much lower now. 43% then, to 34% now.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    I don't think there was ever any MPs called 'bust', 'bankrupt' or 'debt'...
  • eekeek Posts: 24,924
    https://twitter.com/levelsio/status/1770837156094693482

    So
    @Uber
    is completely useless in Argentina

    Because someone hardcoded

    if(price>1000) {
    dontAcceptDebitCard();
    }

    Not realizing 1000 ARS is $1
  • Maybe Penny is still sore about being knocked out of not one but two Conservative leadership contests by the political titan that is Rishi Sunak.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,352
    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    Penny wise, Pound foolish?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,184
    eek said:

    https://twitter.com/levelsio/status/1770837156094693482

    So
    @Uber
    is completely useless in Argentina

    Because someone hardcoded

    if(price>1000) {
    dontAcceptDebitCard();
    }

    Not realizing 1000 ARS is $1

    ARSE!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    That last chat was a bit depressing so here is something genuinely and wonderfully uplifting

    Elon Musk’s Neuralink gives a quadriplegic guy the chance to interact with a computer, and thus the world: a form of telekinesis. The joy on the guy’s face is 🥂👍🍷👏👏👏👏👏

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1770565942168420750?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Who knows. Maybe the future will be wondrous
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 635
    kjh said:

    @Leon said on the last thread:

    When I became a parent I realised that when parents say “I would die to save my kids” they really mean it. But maybe not quite in the noble altruistic way it comes across

    What they are saying is: I would rather be dead myself than deal with the grief from a dead child

    I replied on the last thread, but the last thread ended and I was touched by Leon's comment so replied as follows and wanted to be sure he saw it so am repeating here:

    Yep. I'm no softy when it comes to people dying. I don't cry at funerals. But yes I would do anything to save my children, particularly when they were toddlers and I was looking after them and it would not have been noble or altruistic, it would have just been instinct, so I can't even say it would be because I couldn't cope with the grief. Although I know I wouldn't have been able to. My wife really had to talk me into having children. It was definitely worth it even though they can be annoying sometimes.

    I can vividly remember watching my daughter fall asleep aged 3, maybe 4, and realising with a start that if something dreadful like a house fire happened, I would save her, over my wife, over myself, over everything. If I had to run into a burning house and die in the process of saving her, I would. And with all that lies between then and now, I would still do the same. Nothing to do with not dealing with the rgief otherwise, but because she gave meaning to everything.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,810
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Do they not work when they are in their constituencies as well ?
    You are kidding Taz, our MSP's work when they are on holiday in Morocco, only £11K phone bill to watch theold firm on laptop whilst answering mail
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,167
    Vernor Vinge has died.

    {all the post singularity intelligences in the Transcend mourn. Apart from The Blight}
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    Imagine being told at 21 you will never move your arms or legs again, you are permanently quadriplegic

    Unthinkable. But now here’s a technology which says: maybe not. Maybe it’s not permanent

    Magical
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,810
    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Most MPs are at work in their constituencies too. It's an impossible job, and all the reward a back bencher gets is sneering from the ignorant.
    It is also an increasingly dangerous job, because the psychotic take their cue from bullshit comments like this.
    The jokes are getting better
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,914
    Selebian said:

    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    Penny wise, Pound foolish?
    Ah, now I realize why @Anabobazina isn't a Conservative voter
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,978
    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Most MPs are at work in their constituencies too. It's an impossible job, and all the reward a back bencher gets is sneering from the ignorant.
    It is also an increasingly dangerous job, because the psychotic take their cue from bullshit comments like this.
    The danger seems to come more from people who overestimate the power of MPs rather than people who resent their lifestyle.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662

    kjh said:

    @Leon said on the last thread:

    When I became a parent I realised that when parents say “I would die to save my kids” they really mean it. But maybe not quite in the noble altruistic way it comes across

    What they are saying is: I would rather be dead myself than deal with the grief from a dead child

    I replied on the last thread, but the last thread ended and I was touched by Leon's comment so replied as follows and wanted to be sure he saw it so am repeating here:

    Yep. I'm no softy when it comes to people dying. I don't cry at funerals. But yes I would do anything to save my children, particularly when they were toddlers and I was looking after them and it would not have been noble or altruistic, it would have just been instinct, so I can't even say it would be because I couldn't cope with the grief. Although I know I wouldn't have been able to. My wife really had to talk me into having children. It was definitely worth it even though they can be annoying sometimes.

    I can vividly remember watching my daughter fall asleep aged 3, maybe 4, and realising with a start that if something dreadful like a house fire happened, I would save her, over my wife, over myself, over everything. If I had to run into a burning house and die in the process of saving her, I would. And with all that lies between then and now, I would still do the same. Nothing to do with not dealing with the rgief otherwise, but because she gave meaning to everything.
    I had that epiphany too. Hence my remarks

    It’s probably worth having kids JUST to experience that overwhelming emotion. Nothing else like it in the human world

    It is evolutionary of course. Its intensity matches their vulnerability, as they become independent you relax. A little
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,215
    Hmmm


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    "Failed to praise" ...

    What is this, North Korea ?

    Stupid piece of nonsense from the Telegraph.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,150
    The Prime Minister is the right man for the moment

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQ3Q4tQAhM
  • Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Most MPs are at work in their constituencies too. It's an impossible job, and all the reward a back bencher gets is sneering from the ignorant.
    It is also an increasingly dangerous job, because the psychotic take their cue from bullshit comments like this.
    They're forever whining about how shit it is to be a politician in this country. How skint they are, how dangerous it is, how hard the hours are. How they don't get the respect that being an MP should get. I get that, but fuck me, the last few governments have bought it on themselves. My local MP, a sainted backbencher, is an absolutely lazy, out of touch shitshow. Luckily, she'll be out at the next election.
  • TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    I don't think there was ever any MPs called 'bust', 'bankrupt' or 'debt'...
    Both Andrew Rosindell and Roy Hattersley had dogs called Buster, if that helps.*

    * spoiler alert - it doesn't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234

    Hmmm


    I doubt the ingredient list includes anything that's come within sniffing distance of a pig.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090
    Nigelb said:

    Hmmm


    I doubt the ingredient list includes anything that's come within sniffing distance of a pig.
    Unless George Galloway was within five miles.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,406
    Nigelb said:

    "Failed to praise" ...

    What is this, North Korea ?

    Stupid piece of nonsense from the Telegraph.

    They’re desperate for some more blue-on-blue. It’s more exciting in Telegraph world than general elections with the boring Labour politicians whom they don’t have in their WhatsApp groups.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Most MPs are at work in their constituencies too. It's an impossible job, and all the reward a back bencher gets is sneering from the ignorant.
    It is also an increasingly dangerous job, because the psychotic take their cue from bullshit comments like this.
    They're forever whining about how shit it is to be a politician in this country. How skint they are, how dangerous it is, how hard the hours are. How they don't get the respect that being an MP should get. I get that, but fuck me, the last few governments have bought it on themselves. My local MP, a sainted backbencher, is an absolutely lazy, out of touch shitshow. Luckily, she'll be out at the next election.
    I take it she's from a party you don't support? ;)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090
    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    That doesn't apply to @Sunil_Prasannan or me...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,870
    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    Sounds like my idea of Hell!!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090

    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    Sounds like my idea of Hell!!
    You'd rather have no contact than contact less in this case...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,870
    ….
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,727
    edited March 21
    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    Stephen Pound has always paid tribute to William Hague for fighting the 2001 election on the slogan 'Save the Pound'.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,074
    edited March 21

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Yeah, Richi is safe from rebellious Tory MPs for now...

    Oh...

    @SamCoatesSky
    Last night Tory MPs were told that the whip next week was likely to be reduced so they wouldn’t have to return to the Commons pre Easter

    But it seems that a deal between Tory and Labour whips to avoid votes on Monday’s Investigatory Powers Bill have collapsed

    So Tory MPs being told three line whip stands on Monday

    Poor little mites, actually having to turn up for work.
    Most MPs are at work in their constituencies too. It's an impossible job, and all the reward a back bencher gets is sneering from the ignorant.
    It is also an increasingly dangerous job, because the psychotic take their cue from bullshit comments like this.
    They're forever whining about how shit it is to be a politician in this country. How skint they are, how dangerous it is, how hard the hours are. How they don't get the respect that being an MP should get. I get that, but fuck me, the last few governments have bought it on themselves. My local MP, a sainted backbencher, is an absolutely lazy, out of touch shitshow. Luckily, she'll be out at the next election.
    I take it she's from a party you don't support? ;)
    I've voted for her predecessor from the same party in the past. She's just useless at politics. Genuinely done nothing for the constituency. She was invisible during the town's flooding crisis this year. She ceded the ground totally to the local Labour councillor when she could have had an easy win, but as usual, just couldn't be bothered. She doesn't deserve respect or compassion for how "difficult and challenging being a British MP" is.
    She just deserves the sack, as many, many politicians do from this current crop. That they are mostly Tories is indicative of how badly they have failed the country.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    Maybe Penny is still sore about being knocked out of not one but two Conservative leadership contests by the political titan that is Rishi Sunak.

    Didn’t Sunak “lend” Truss MPs to knock Penny out? If you felt someone done that to you, you wouldn’t still bear a grudge after all this time?

    If you felt you’ve been shunted away to LOTH, when likes of Braverman got Home Office despite sacked as a security risk? That wouldn’t be part of feeling hard done by would it?

    All those Sunak has put in proper SoS portfolios ahead of Penny, is surely in merit, isn’t it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,914
    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    I mean, they're ok and all. I wouldn't return them if I'd got them on Amazon (so long as I hadn't paid much for them). Mostly, though, they seem to regard me as Uber driver they don't need to tip. Or even, come to mention it, thank.

    They never do their chores without being reminded about 20 times. They were responsible for all of our animals, which they totally fail to look after. They drag me along to Taylor Swift concerts.

    I mean, I get the whole "continuation of the DNA line" and all. And they can be moderately enjoyable company if they come off their phones for five minutes.

    But all in all: M'eh.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    .
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    That doesn't apply to @Sunil_Prasannan or me...
    Of course not.
    We're very fond of both of you.

    Did anyone tell Sunil about the lunar railway yet ?
  • eekeek Posts: 24,924
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    I mean, they're ok and all. I wouldn't return them if I'd got them on Amazon (so long as I hadn't paid much for them). Mostly, though, they seem to regard me as Uber driver they don't need to tip. Or even, come to mention it, thank.

    They never do their chores without being reminded about 20 times. They were responsible for all of our animals, which they totally fail to look after. They drag me along to Taylor Swift concerts.

    I mean, I get the whole "continuation of the DNA line" and all. And they can be moderately enjoyable company if they come off their phones for five minutes.

    But all in all: M'eh.
    They get better as they get older (you can use them for a lift home from the pub).

    However they then want you to do things like help decorate their new home (and gift them a large part of the deposit).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    GONAD - government of nationally approved denominations.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 413
    Leon said:

    That last chat was a bit depressing so here is something genuinely and wonderfully uplifting

    Elon Musk’s Neuralink gives a quadriplegic guy the chance to interact with a computer, and thus the world: a form of telekinesis. The joy on the guy’s face is 🥂👍🍷👏👏👏👏👏

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1770565942168420750?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Who knows. Maybe the future will be wondrous

    He's not developing this technology to help people. That's PR.

    Also some heavy-duty game is being played with the use of the name "Telepathy".

    Musk sees it as a step onwards from this preliminary stage we're in now in which most people's almost-permanent interface between their fleshspace self and planet digital is their smartphone. He has said as much.

    Personally I think Muskologists pay too little attention to Paypal.

    I imagine he is dashing to keep up with China, with "X" as the "superapp" hanger on to the tail of WeChat. Chinese people in China are only allowed WeChat accounts if they link them to their bank accounts. Most people in China haven't bought anything either with cash or a bank card for years.

    It's good to see you looking at implant tech. This is far more important than AI.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    tlg86 said:

    First like Arsenal.

    Post it while you can. Another 11 days, and who knows when you can post that again.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,352
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Penny could lead a dream ticket along with political veterans Bill Cash, Stephen Pound and Gordon Banks.

    GONAD - government of nationally approved denominations.
    There's a danger Nadine Dorries would misinterpret that as an invitation to high office :open_mouth:
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    "Apple 'locks competitors out' of market, says US attorney general"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68629402
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 413
    I have been passed a copy of the Telegraph from next week. Apparently two well-known columnists may endorse Reform in the locals. There's already been some terrible shitfighting at both the Carlton and the Garrick. One is given to understand that it's no longer only at Pratt's that Mr Sunak is known as "George". Sources close to other sources say that Penny is being blackmailed into making a challenge for the leadership rather as Jim Hackett once was.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,019
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    I mean, they're ok and all. I wouldn't return them if I'd got them on Amazon (so long as I hadn't paid much for them). Mostly, though, they seem to regard me as Uber driver they don't need to tip. Or even, come to mention it, thank.

    They never do their chores without being reminded about 20 times. They were responsible for all of our animals, which they totally fail to look after. They drag me along to Taylor Swift concerts.

    I mean, I get the whole "continuation of the DNA line" and all. And they can be moderately enjoyable company if they come off their phones for five minutes.

    But all in all: M'eh.
    When my daughter was oh, about eight or nine, she cooked us a pizza for dinner, from scratch. I think it took her about three or four hours. She spent about half an hour finely chopping an onion, etc. And it was absolutely delicious.

    I think it's time your kids had a performance review.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,914
    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    That last chat was a bit depressing so here is something genuinely and wonderfully uplifting

    Elon Musk’s Neuralink gives a quadriplegic guy the chance to interact with a computer, and thus the world: a form of telekinesis. The joy on the guy’s face is 🥂👍🍷👏👏👏👏👏

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1770565942168420750?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Who knows. Maybe the future will be wondrous

    He's not developing this technology to help people. That's PR.

    Also some heavy-duty game is being played with the use of the name "Telepathy".

    Musk sees it as a step onwards from this preliminary stage we're in now in which most people's almost-permanent interface between their fleshspace self and planet digital is their smartphone. He has said as much.

    Personally I think Muskologists pay too little attention to Paypal.

    I imagine he is dashing to keep up with China, with "X" as the "superapp" hanger on to the tail of WeChat. Chinese people in China are only allowed WeChat accounts if they link them to their bank accounts. Most people in China haven't bought anything either with cash or a bank card for years.

    It's good to see you looking at implant tech. This is far more important than AI.
    Yep: China is genuinely cashless. The only people that ever use ATMs are tourists.

    But on the other hand, no, implant technology is not more important than AI.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    This impeachment is less lively than a Norwegian Blue.

    Swalwell lists the top 10 reasons why it’s over for impeachment

    Reason 1: Fox News isn’t even carrying this today..

    https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1770563934396813576
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    We all watched Field of Dreams.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 413
    rcs1000 said:

    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    That last chat was a bit depressing so here is something genuinely and wonderfully uplifting

    Elon Musk’s Neuralink gives a quadriplegic guy the chance to interact with a computer, and thus the world: a form of telekinesis. The joy on the guy’s face is 🥂👍🍷👏👏👏👏👏

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1770565942168420750?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Who knows. Maybe the future will be wondrous

    He's not developing this technology to help people. That's PR.

    Also some heavy-duty game is being played with the use of the name "Telepathy".

    Musk sees it as a step onwards from this preliminary stage we're in now in which most people's almost-permanent interface between their fleshspace self and planet digital is their smartphone. He has said as much.

    Personally I think Muskologists pay too little attention to Paypal.

    I imagine he is dashing to keep up with China, with "X" as the "superapp" hanger on to the tail of WeChat. Chinese people in China are only allowed WeChat accounts if they link them to their bank accounts. Most people in China haven't bought anything either with cash or a bank card for years.

    It's good to see you looking at implant tech. This is far more important than AI.
    Yep: China is genuinely cashless. The only people that ever use ATMs are tourists.

    But on the other hand, no, implant technology is not more important than AI.
    But in China the burning of spirit money (joss paper), including "hell money" denominated in USD or yuan, continues - anthropologically highly significant IMO.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    I mean, they're ok and all. I wouldn't return them if I'd got them on Amazon (so long as I hadn't paid much for them). Mostly, though, they seem to regard me as Uber driver they don't need to tip. Or even, come to mention it, thank.

    They never do their chores without being reminded about 20 times. They were responsible for all of our animals, which they totally fail to look after. They drag me along to Taylor Swift concerts.

    I mean, I get the whole "continuation of the DNA line" and all. And they can be moderately enjoyable company if they come off their phones for five minutes.

    But all in all: M'eh.
    When my daughter was oh, about eight or nine, she cooked us a pizza for dinner, from scratch. I think it took her about three or four hours. She spent about half an hour finely chopping an onion, etc. And it was absolutely delicious.

    I think it's time your kids had a performance review.
    They probably say the same about dad...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    Nigelb said:

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    We all watched Field of Dreams.
    Much better flick IMHO, based on the "Black Sox" scandal of 1919 World Series

    Eight Men Out
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Men_Out
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,914
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    I mean, they're ok and all. I wouldn't return them if I'd got them on Amazon (so long as I hadn't paid much for them). Mostly, though, they seem to regard me as Uber driver they don't need to tip. Or even, come to mention it, thank.

    They never do their chores without being reminded about 20 times. They were responsible for all of our animals, which they totally fail to look after. They drag me along to Taylor Swift concerts.

    I mean, I get the whole "continuation of the DNA line" and all. And they can be moderately enjoyable company if they come off their phones for five minutes.

    But all in all: M'eh.
    When my daughter was oh, about eight or nine, she cooked us a pizza for dinner, from scratch. I think it took her about three or four hours. She spent about half an hour finely chopping an onion, etc. And it was absolutely delicious.

    I think it's time your kids had a performance review.
    They probably say the same about dad...
    Oh, I did. This is what my daughter wrote:

    "Strengths: moderately reliable Uber service. Weaknesses: seems to regard homework as important, refuses to lie to get me out of PE, keeps asking me about my day when I'm obviously busy on my phone."
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,241
    I’ve just caught up with this poll.

    The thing is, under Sunak the Conservatives are heading for a crushing defeat which may well be unlike anything seen in our lifetimes. It may not be Canadageddon but it looks like being an absolute shellacking.

    So, will the Party accept their death like a weary bison eventually worn down by the wolf pack? Are they going to keel over and accept the inevitable?

    Or will they decide that with a new leader they could save 50, maybe 100, MPs and so have a better platform in Parliament and the country for the future?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,914

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    I'm sorry, but this is a story I know nothing about.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,877
    edited March 21

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MJW said:

    kinabalu said:

    MJW said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Oh No, bad news for SKS. Owen Jones has quit Labour after 24 years.

    expect a polling slump.

    I like and rate OJ and I'm sorry to hear this. IMO he should have waited to see what Labour do in government. If he's right that in office they end up changing nothing of substance in favour of working people, and worse not even trying, I'll be quitting the party too (far more serious for SKS than Owen leaving) but there's no way I'm going to pretend there's enough evidence to conclude that now. I'll leave this spooky 'crystal balling' to his sour grapes critics of left and right - most of whom are pissed off purely because he's winning.
    Surely no one can rate Jones these days? He's really gone off the end of the pier. Last seen questioning if Hamas were rapists as he didn't actually get to see the gory act. He revealed who he was back in 2018 when his defence of laying a wreath for brutal terrorists was that 'no one was killed' by it. That's not to mention his attitude towards women who disagree with him. A textbook misogynist. Labour is so much better off without someone whose morals long ago went into the toilet due to twisted ideological obsessions.

    If Owen's leaving, it's a sign Labour is doing something right and isn't as tolerant of the despicable, genuinely troubling side of the far left that Jones has long been a cheerleader for.
    I've followed his output for a long time (books, press, internet, tv) and found it (still do) principled, intelligent and well-expressed. Not all of it but mostly. I think it's mainly his effectiveness as a polemicist, and his uppity urban way of speaking, that irritates people who don't share his (admittedly quite hard left) politics.

    I also find that lots of those who hate Jones go by things that others who hate him say about him rather than by the source material of what he's actually said and written. The risible misogyny charge is a prime example.
    What really changed my view of Jones from someone who at one time admired him, and thought his heart was in the right place even when I disagreed, was his behaviour on antisemitism. Obviously there were and are disagreements on the left about the issue, but I found Jones' behaviour dishonest to the point it was no accident or a good faith disagreement. You simply could not defend the things he defended and pose as someone interested in "fighting antisemitism" - especially when he'd go out of his way to shout down those who were making objections as not doing so in good faith.

    He's also earned a well-founded reputation as an online bully who'll find accounts who say things that are less than complimentary about him or the left, and flag them up to followers to abuse. He knows this happened and people pointed out to him and carries on doing it. Most recently doing so with someone who has a relative being held hostage by Hamas. Numerous women have complained about his behaviour too. If he had decency he'd have long ago realised the unpleasant impacts of his actions and apologised for and changed that, even while defending his underlying views.

    There's a parallel perhaps with the Tory right - in that he got everything that in theory he wanted (the left in charge of Labour in his case), and it's driven him a bit mad and into a toxic rabbit hole when the land of milk, honey and electoral success did not arrive and people pointed out their objections to the more sinister or destructive attitudes there.

    It's in some ways got a Greek tragedy about it. He's someone that could have been an interesting force for good - even if you disagree with him often. But his ego and self-righteousness are so huge that he's essentially destroyed the credibility he once had as a critical voice from the left. He is now just a bitter individual who can't handle his own spiral towards mainstream irrelevance, towards a GB News grifter type figure with a hyper-engaged online audience that gives a degree of power within a certain social media ecosystem, but is radioactive outside that and destructive to the causes it claims to want to champion. The sad thing is he'll likely get worse as that section of the left comes more to resemble a left-wing version of QAnon in its conspiracist beliefs rather than the old left of Labour.
    I simply do not recognize this from what I've seen of his output (which is quite a lot).

    Eg on antisemitism, to my eyes he's been one of the best as regards the people associated with Corbyn. There's a line to be walked, recognizing there is a real problem with it on parts of the left whilst at the same time combatting how it was exaggerated and weaponized by people with an agenda not of fighting anti-jewish prejudice but of promoting prejudice against the left, and he walked that line admirably. Many didn't but he did.

    Misogynist and a bully? I don't think so. His style is hard-hitting but he doesn't particularly target women or the vulnerable. Of course, social media being what it is, some of his 'followers' might sometimes do this. I don't know. I don't follow his followers.

    Bitter? Again, I don't see it. He's doing ok in his chosen field. Doesn't come over to me as massively angry or frustrated. His style hasn't changed that much. Motormouth, assertive, but not obnoxious. And an absolute angel and a gentleman and a scholar compared to many others on the hard left and to literally everyone on the hard right.
    My son is a huge fan of OJ. I will have to persuade him not to follow him and end up voting Green. Regardless of OJ's virtues (and I'm not against him, though not as pro as you), I reckon it's pretty shoddy of him at this stage to leave Labour so publicly rather than fight within the party for what he believes. It won't have much impact, but socialists should be entirely focused just on getting the Tories out this year. Anything that distracts from that is poor.

    Ideological battles within the left should be postponed until after the GE, I think. I'm disappointed with Owen.
    He’s also made a silly error - professionally

    Labour is about to take power with a big majority. He could and should have stayed in the party to be an influential voice from the Left, steering things somewhat, even if he didn’t get most of what he wanted

    Now he will be dismissed as some frivolous turncoat who ran off to another party at the crucial moment, and his views will be ignored. I imagine the Guardian is quite annoyed

    i am reminded of Matthew Parris, who was driven so insane by Brexit he quit the Tories and joined the Lib Dems, and lost any of the influence he had over Tory politics, when he was before a respected figure with a definite Tory following

    Owen Jones is not worthy to polish Parris's shoes. Parris stood for election, got elected, including becoming close to the PM. You can argue he's wrong on the EU, but he achieved.

    In comparison, OJ's just an eloquent loudmouth with zero substance. An empty vessel.
    Parris acted the twat on Brexit. A real spectacle of clownishness - accusing the British of being stupid and racist, and then campaigning to overturn their vote, or even just Revoke it. UGH. Fuck him

    I’ve never paid half as much attention to him, since. Everyone who campaigned for a second vote should be drummed out of public life
    I hate to break it to you, but we have elections here every four to five years. The electorate can, and often do, change their mind.

    It's called a democracy I know you have a fondness for third-world countries where democracy is frowned upon and the girls are cheap, but the idea a second vote is somehow wrong is the sign of an ultra-low IQ.

    As it happens, I'd argue that Brexit isn't a major factor facing the country at the moment, and a second vote would be a distraction from the more important issues facing the country. But given how Brexit has failed, perhaps those who called for the first vote should be drummed out of public life? ;)
    The difference between the normal democracy you describe as happening every four or five years via General Elections, and the demand for a second referendum aka ‘People’s Vote’, is the latter was campaigned for by the losing team before the winners were able to enact the result of the previous vote; worse in fact, the losers made sure the first vote was unable to be enacted, then used the stalemate they created as evidence that a second vote was necessary.

    Sir Keir himself was elected on a pledge to reflect the referendum result in 2017, then spent two years cockblocking and filibustering as hard as he could as Shadow Brexit Secretary to prevent the result being respected, before calling for a second go at it.

    The absurd thing about it all is that now, when it would be perfectly legitimate to hold a second referendum, or even have rejoining the EU in a manifesto, he is trumpeting the positives of leaving to Red Wallers
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,597
    Donkeys said:

    Leon said:

    That last chat was a bit depressing so here is something genuinely and wonderfully uplifting

    Elon Musk’s Neuralink gives a quadriplegic guy the chance to interact with a computer, and thus the world: a form of telekinesis. The joy on the guy’s face is 🥂👍🍷👏👏👏👏👏

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1770565942168420750?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Who knows. Maybe the future will be wondrous

    He's not developing this technology to help people. That's PR.

    Also some heavy-duty game is being played with the use of the name "Telepathy".

    Musk sees it as a step onwards from this preliminary stage we're in now in which most people's almost-permanent interface between their fleshspace self and planet digital is their smartphone. He has said as much.

    Personally I think Muskologists pay too little attention to Paypal.

    I imagine he is dashing to keep up with China, with "X" as the "superapp" hanger on to the tail of WeChat. Chinese people in China are only allowed WeChat accounts if they link them to their bank accounts. Most people in China haven't bought anything either with cash or a bank card for years.

    It's good to see you looking at implant tech. This is far more important than AI.
    • Cybertruck: Armoured Personnel Vehicle
    • Raptor-9: ICBM
    • Starship: Orbital Bombardment Vehicle (Earth)
    • Starship HLS: Troop transport and spaceborne assault vehicle
    • Boring flamethrowers: personal defence weapon
    • Starlink: information control satellites
    • Neuralink: enslavement and pacification device
    • Optimus: drone troops and terminators

    The guy is building Hydra in plain sight... :)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 18,344
    edited March 21

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    I mean, they're ok and all. I wouldn't return them if I'd got them on Amazon (so long as I hadn't paid much for them). Mostly, though, they seem to regard me as Uber driver they don't need to tip. Or even, come to mention it, thank.

    They never do their chores without being reminded about 20 times. They were responsible for all of our animals, which they totally fail to look after. They drag me along to Taylor Swift concerts.

    I mean, I get the whole "continuation of the DNA line" and all. And they can be moderately enjoyable company if they come off their phones for five minutes.

    But all in all: M'eh.
    When my daughter was oh, about eight or nine, she cooked us a pizza for dinner, from scratch. I think it took her about three or four hours. She spent about half an hour finely chopping an onion, etc. And it was absolutely delicious.

    I think it's time your kids had a performance review.
    1 - Does it run in the family? :smile:
    2 - Apply the "chop your own" technique to nutmeg.

    PS Having no sproglets, my position is entirely objective and should be trusted.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234

    Nigelb said:

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    We all watched Field of Dreams.
    Much better flick IMHO, based on the "Black Sox" scandal of 1919 World Series

    Eight Men Out
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Men_Out
    He's even popular in Korea.
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/03/113_370955.html
  • These really are lamentable polls, there can't be very many times the governing party has plumbed these sort of depths, and of course if there is Reform crossover then there's no doubt yet another shitstorm will break out. Although the Tories will recover somewhat as the election approaches (well that is what you'd expect anyway); I really see no routes for their recovery. They are done for.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,877

    These really are lamentable polls, there can't be very many times the governing party has plumbed these sort of depths, and of course if there is Reform crossover then there's no doubt yet another shitstorm will break out. Although the Tories will recover somewhat as the election approaches (well that is what you'd expect anyway); I really see no routes for their recovery. They are done for.

    They were polling around about this level five years ago as well. But I agree, it’s difficult to imagine they can recover again as they did before - there’s no totemic issue to coalesce around, no slightly risky opposition leader to demonise, and no charismatic leader to call upon
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    edited March 21
    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    rcs1000 said:

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    I'm sorry, but this is a story I know nothing about.
    Do you perhance know anything about the alleged bookie at the center of this story, Mathew Bowyer?

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/explaining-gambling-scandal-after-shohei-ohtanis-interpreter-accused-of-stealing-millions-from-dodgers-star/\

    Asking for a friend, due to your hereditary ties to the international bookmaking fraternity.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    We all watched Field of Dreams.
    Much better flick IMHO, based on the "Black Sox" scandal of 1919 World Series

    Eight Men Out
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Men_Out
    He's even popular in Korea.
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/03/113_370955.html
    Shoeless Joe?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    If there is one thing I’ve learned in this long and richly coloured life, it is, ultimately and quite profoundly, this: never get a haircut in Palomino, Colombia
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited March 21
    Heathener said:

    I’ve just caught up with this poll.

    The thing is, under Sunak the Conservatives are heading for a crushing defeat which may well be unlike anything seen in our lifetimes. It may not be Canadageddon but it looks like being an absolute shellacking.

    So, will the Party accept their death like a weary bison eventually worn down by the wolf pack? Are they going to keel over and accept the inevitable?

    Or will they decide that with a new leader they could save 50, maybe 100, MPs and so have a better platform in Parliament and the country for the future?

    Getting a bit ahead of yourself, arn’t you? If England win the Euro’s and GB has a great Olympic’s, this polling can stand on its head.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,693

    Hmmm


    Five whole tubes would be a lot to eat in one go, but I'm sure I'm up to the challenge.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    MJW said:

    kinabalu said:

    MJW said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Oh No, bad news for SKS. Owen Jones has quit Labour after 24 years.

    expect a polling slump.

    I like and rate OJ and I'm sorry to hear this. IMO he should have waited to see what Labour do in government. If he's right that in office they end up changing nothing of substance in favour of working people, and worse not even trying, I'll be quitting the party too (far more serious for SKS than Owen leaving) but there's no way I'm going to pretend there's enough evidence to conclude that now. I'll leave this spooky 'crystal balling' to his sour grapes critics of left and right - most of whom are pissed off purely because he's winning.
    Surely no one can rate Jones these days? He's really gone off the end of the pier. Last seen questioning if Hamas were rapists as he didn't actually get to see the gory act. He revealed who he was back in 2018 when his defence of laying a wreath for brutal terrorists was that 'no one was killed' by it. That's not to mention his attitude towards women who disagree with him. A textbook misogynist. Labour is so much better off without someone whose morals long ago went into the toilet due to twisted ideological obsessions.

    If Owen's leaving, it's a sign Labour is doing something right and isn't as tolerant of the despicable, genuinely troubling side of the far left that Jones has long been a cheerleader for.
    I've followed his output for a long time (books, press, internet, tv) and found it (still do) principled, intelligent and well-expressed. Not all of it but mostly. I think it's mainly his effectiveness as a polemicist, and his uppity urban way of speaking, that irritates people who don't share his (admittedly quite hard left) politics.

    I also find that lots of those who hate Jones go by things that others who hate him say about him rather than by the source material of what he's actually said and written. The risible misogyny charge is a prime example.
    What really changed my view of Jones from someone who at one time admired him, and thought his heart was in the right place even when I disagreed, was his behaviour on antisemitism. Obviously there were and are disagreements on the left about the issue, but I found Jones' behaviour dishonest to the point it was no accident or a good faith disagreement. You simply could not defend the things he defended and pose as someone interested in "fighting antisemitism" - especially when he'd go out of his way to shout down those who were making objections as not doing so in good faith.

    He's also earned a well-founded reputation as an online bully who'll find accounts who say things that are less than complimentary about him or the left, and flag them up to followers to abuse. He knows this happened and people pointed out to him and carries on doing it. Most recently doing so with someone who has a relative being held hostage by Hamas. Numerous women have complained about his behaviour too. If he had decency he'd have long ago realised the unpleasant impacts of his actions and apologised for and changed that, even while defending his underlying views.

    There's a parallel perhaps with the Tory right - in that he got everything that in theory he wanted (the left in charge of Labour in his case), and it's driven him a bit mad and into a toxic rabbit hole when the land of milk, honey and electoral success did not arrive and people pointed out their objections to the more sinister or destructive attitudes there.

    It's in some ways got a Greek tragedy about it. He's someone that could have been an interesting force for good - even if you disagree with him often. But his ego and self-righteousness are so huge that he's essentially destroyed the credibility he once had as a critical voice from the left. He is now just a bitter individual who can't handle his own spiral towards mainstream irrelevance, towards a GB News grifter type figure with a hyper-engaged online audience that gives a degree of power within a certain social media ecosystem, but is radioactive outside that and destructive to the causes it claims to want to champion. The sad thing is he'll likely get worse as that section of the left comes more to resemble a left-wing version of QAnon in its conspiracist beliefs rather than the old left of Labour.
    I simply do not recognize this from what I've seen of his output (which is quite a lot).

    Eg on antisemitism, to my eyes he's been one of the best as regards the people associated with Corbyn. There's a line to be walked, recognizing there is a real problem with it on parts of the left whilst at the same time combatting how it was exaggerated and weaponized by people with an agenda not of fighting anti-jewish prejudice but of promoting prejudice against the left, and he walked that line admirably. Many didn't but he did.

    Misogynist and a bully? I don't think so. His style is hard-hitting but he doesn't particularly target women or the vulnerable. Of course, social media being what it is, some of his 'followers' might sometimes do this. I don't know. I don't follow his followers.

    Bitter? Again, I don't see it. He's doing ok in his chosen field. Doesn't come over to me as massively angry or frustrated. His style hasn't changed that much. Motormouth, assertive, but not obnoxious. And an absolute angel and a gentleman and a scholar compared to many others on the hard left and to literally everyone on the hard right.
    My son is a huge fan of OJ. I will have to persuade him not to follow him and end up voting Green. Regardless of OJ's virtues (and I'm not against him, though not as pro as you), I reckon it's pretty shoddy of him at this stage to leave Labour so publicly rather than fight within the party for what he believes. It won't have much impact, but socialists should be entirely focused just on getting the Tories out this year. Anything that distracts from that is poor.

    Ideological battles within the left should be postponed until after the GE, I think. I'm disappointed with Owen.
    He’s also made a silly error - professionally

    Labour is about to take power with a big majority. He could and should have stayed in the party to be an influential voice from the Left, steering things somewhat, even if he didn’t get most of what he wanted

    Now he will be dismissed as some frivolous turncoat who ran off to another party at the crucial moment, and his views will be ignored. I imagine the Guardian is quite annoyed

    i am reminded of Matthew Parris, who was driven so insane by Brexit he quit the Tories and joined the Lib Dems, and lost any of the influence he had over Tory politics, when he was before a respected figure with a definite Tory following

    Owen Jones is not worthy to polish Parris's shoes. Parris stood for election, got elected, including becoming close to the PM. You can argue he's wrong on the EU, but he achieved.

    In comparison, OJ's just an eloquent loudmouth with zero substance. An empty vessel.
    Parris acted the twat on Brexit. A real spectacle of clownishness - accusing the British of being stupid and racist, and then campaigning to overturn their vote, or even just Revoke it. UGH. Fuck him

    I’ve never paid half as much attention to him, since. Everyone who campaigned for a second vote should be drummed out of public life
    I hate to break it to you, but we have elections here every four to five years. The electorate can, and often do, change their mind.

    It's called a democracy I know you have a fondness for third-world countries where democracy is frowned upon and the girls are cheap, but the idea a second vote is somehow wrong is the sign of an ultra-low IQ.

    As it happens, I'd argue that Brexit isn't a major factor facing the country at the moment, and a second vote would be a distraction from the more important issues facing the country. But given how Brexit has failed, perhaps those who called for the first vote should be drummed out of public life? ;)
    The difference between the normal democracy you describe as happening every four or five years via General Elections, and the demand for a second referendum aka ‘People’s Vote’, is the latter was campaigned for by the losing team before the winners were able to enact the result of the previous vote; worse in fact, the losers made sure the first vote was unable to be enacted, then used the stalemate they created as evidence that a second vote was necessary.

    Sir Keir himself was elected on a pledge to reflect the referendum result in 2017, then spent two years cockblocking and filibustering as hard as he could as Shadow Brexit Secretary to prevent the result being respected, before calling for a second go at it.

    The absurd thing about it all is that now, when it would be perfectly legitimate to hold a second referendum, or even have rejoining the EU in a manifesto, he is trumpeting the positives of leaving to Red Wallers
    I disagree. The point is that 'Brexit' was impossible to implement well, because the leave campaign promised everything to everyone - i..e lied. And trying to base anything on lies is really difficult.

    I see little reason why the fact it has not been enacted is not a reason to hold another vote on it, given what had been learnt *after* it had been enacted.

    Personally, I think a second vote is unnecessary and damaging - a decision was made, and we have to live with it. But I wouldn't say people who call for one are undemocratic.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,898
    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth I could speak Welsh, due to having had a Welsh-speaking nanny, who stayed with her into her teenage years.
    Don’t know how true it is, but I’m sure someone here will know.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,019
    Thought experiment.

    Had Tory MPs not deposed Johnson as PM, but instead had stood by him until the electorate had voted against him in a recall by-election, following his suspension from the Commons for lying about potatoes during Covid, would they be doing better or worse now?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662

    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth I could speak Welsh, due to having had a Welsh-speaking nanny, who stayed with her into her teenage years.
    Don’t know how true it is, but I’m sure someone here will know.
    She was a Tudor. She was Welsh. Certainly Henry VII spoke Welsh
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    We all watched Field of Dreams.
    Much better flick IMHO, based on the "Black Sox" scandal of 1919 World Series

    Eight Men Out
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Men_Out
    He's even popular in Korea.
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/03/113_370955.html
    Shoeless Joe?
    LOL.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090
    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    That doesn't apply to @Sunil_Prasannan or me...
    Of course not.
    We're very fond of both of you.

    Did anyone tell Sunil about the lunar railway yet ?
    He's not happy he can't travel on it. He's been mooning about it for weeks.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,877
    Heathener said:

    I’ve just caught up with this poll.

    The thing is, under Sunak the Conservatives are heading for a crushing defeat which may well be unlike anything seen in our lifetimes. It may not be Canadageddon but it looks like being an absolute shellacking.

    So, will the Party accept their death like a weary bison eventually worn down by the wolf pack? Are they going to keel over and accept the inevitable?

    Or will they decide that with a new leader they could save 50, maybe 100, MPs and so have a better platform in Parliament and the country for the future?

    It really is extraordinary what has happened in this parliament. The Tories, to use one of their slogans, are almost exactly ‘back to square one’. That they are really considering, and with some justification, choosing a fourth leader in less than two years is just completely mind blowing in the
    context of domestic politics
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234

    rcs1000 said:

    Question for Smithson the Younger -

    So what is your take, as denizen of El Lay, re: the bombshell story about MLB mega-star Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, and his long-time mini-me translator?

    The translator was just fired by the Dodgers, and Ohtani's lawyers are alleging that he (the translator) defrauded the ballplayer of "millions" via illegal sports betting.

    Certainly the team has many reasons to defend their star player. To be precise, 10 million over ten years.

    MY question is this - was the translator betting for himself? OR for someone else?

    As in, say it ain't so, Oh!

    For reference (for clueless Brits):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose

    I'm sorry, but this is a story I know nothing about.
    Do you perhance know anything about the alleged bookie at the center of this story, Mathew Bowyer?

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/explaining-gambling-scandal-after-shohei-ohtanis-interpreter-accused-of-stealing-millions-from-dodgers-star/\

    Asking for a friend, due to your hereditary ties to the international bookmaking fraternity.
    Seems unlikely Ohtani himself has anything to do with it - he's on about $70m a year for the next decade (and probably as much again in endorsements over time).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662

    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth I could speak Welsh, due to having had a Welsh-speaking nanny, who stayed with her into her teenage years.
    Don’t know how true it is, but I’m sure someone here will know.
    Wiki claims that not only could she speak Welsh, she could speak Cornish. Find that quite hard to believe. Why on earth would she learn Cornish? It was a tiny dying language even then
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    Looks like Susie Wolff is suing the FIA:

    https://twitter.com/Susie_Wolff/status/1770554247899226162

    (She is involved in the FIA, and is also the wife of Mercedes team manager Toto Wolff.

    Lewis Hamilton has come out and rather strongly backed her. The FIA will not like this...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,898
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth I could speak Welsh, due to having had a Welsh-speaking nanny, who stayed with her into her teenage years.
    Don’t know how true it is, but I’m sure someone here will know.
    She was a Tudor. She was Welsh. Certainly Henry VII spoke Welsh
    It is quite noteworthy how many monarchs seem to have spoken several languages.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,465
    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    By coincidence, last Friday US federal court issued ruling on WA State legislative redistricting case, to require new districts to redress mis-representative of Latino voters in the Yakima Valley, that also directly impacts the Yakama Nation. (Note difference in spelling; pronunciation is same: YAK-a-maw.)

    At request of Yakima judge ordered minor tweeks to proposed legislative district boundaries, to keep tribal lands, including their reservation AND also traditional hunting lands AND fishing sites, within the same leg district.

    Yours truly has been crunching new lines, and voter reg lists, and in the process encountered some interesting Native American surnames of voters in Yakima County.

    For example, Eagleheart, Lamebull, Blackwolf and (my personal favorite) Afraid of Bear.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,758
    The whole point of the Brexit referendum was to stop Reform like parties doing well in the polls.

    People say Truss is a sleeper Lib Dem agent. Maybe it's really Cameron.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,234
    edited March 21
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    That doesn't apply to @Sunil_Prasannan or me...
    Of course not.
    We're very fond of both of you.

    Did anyone tell Sunil about the lunar railway yet ?
    He's not happy he can't travel on it. He's been mooning about it for weeks.
    It would eclipse his current achievements, though.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,870

    Heathener said:

    I’ve just caught up with this poll.

    The thing is, under Sunak the Conservatives are heading for a crushing defeat which may well be unlike anything seen in our lifetimes. It may not be Canadageddon but it looks like being an absolute shellacking.

    So, will the Party accept their death like a weary bison eventually worn down by the wolf pack? Are they going to keel over and accept the inevitable?

    Or will they decide that with a new leader they could save 50, maybe 100, MPs and so have a better platform in Parliament and the country for the future?

    Getting a bit ahead of yourself, arn’t you? If England win the Euro’s and GB has a great Olympic’s, this polling can stand on its head.
    Euros might (might!) have an effect.

    Nobody really cares about the Olympics.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,090
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth I could speak Welsh, due to having had a Welsh-speaking nanny, who stayed with her into her teenage years.
    Don’t know how true it is, but I’m sure someone here will know.
    Wiki claims that not only could she speak Welsh, she could speak Cornish. Find that quite hard to believe. Why on earth would she learn Cornish? It was a tiny dying language even then
    Not sure about Welsh, but she could certainly speak Latin, Greek, French, Italian and possibly Hebrew and Spanish. So she was an able linguist.
  • DonkeysDonkeys Posts: 413
    edited March 21
    It sticks in the craw to type words that might possibly boost Tory morale, but why is there a general assumption that a polling crossover with Reform would be of such earth-shaking significance for a general election?

    Remember The Independent Group, renamed Change UK, with Chuka Umunna? They got 14% in one YouGov poll.

    The Tories finished FIFTH in the EU election in May 2019 - they even got beaten by eco nuts - and then they won the general election in December.

    The only real question is do I receive the payout on my bet on Penny as next PM before or after the locals. I bought at 27.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,841
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm.

    It appears that everyone else on PB is rather more fond of their kids than I am.

    That doesn't apply to @Sunil_Prasannan or me...
    Of course not.
    We're very fond of both of you.

    Did anyone tell Sunil about the lunar railway yet ?
    He's not happy he can't travel on it. He's been mooning about it for weeks.
    You're not treating this topic with enough gravity. You're sounding like a loon.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,870
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Virginia Beavert, Who Preserved a Language the U.S. Tried to Erase, Dies at 102
    A linguist from the Yakama Nation, she wrote dictionaries and helped build the infrastructure to teach a language that wasn’t traditionally written down
    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/virginia-beavert-who-preserved-a-language-the-u-s-tried-to-erase-dies-at-102-41b1464f?mod=books_news_article_pos2

    “The most important thing is speaking and singing a lullaby to children when they are young. In this way the language never leaves the child.”

    I read somewhere that Queen Elizabeth I could speak Welsh, due to having had a Welsh-speaking nanny, who stayed with her into her teenage years.
    Don’t know how true it is, but I’m sure someone here will know.
    She was a Tudor. She was Welsh. Certainly Henry VII spoke Welsh
    Do we have any intel on her command of Cornish?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,662
    Macron is quoted by politico as saying Ukraine is in trouble and “could fall quickly”

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1770843184068776324?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • isamisam Posts: 40,877
    edited March 21
    NEW from @IpsosUK: Worst favourable ratings for The Conservatives/Sunak since GE19.

    58% unfavourable towards Conservatives. 19% favourable. Net -39. Previous worst -36 in Oct '22.

    57% unfavourable towards Rishi Sunak. 19% favourable. Net -38. Previous worst -34 last month.



    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1770838451077710209?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
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