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  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,588
    rcs1000 said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne share most of the blame for deliberately inflating demand (both physical and financial) for housing assets with loose monetary policy and mass immigration.

    They are partly to blame, but it is the Tories under Boris, Truss and Sunak who have let immigration explode to even greater and more absurd levels: 1.4m in two years. Blair could only dream of that (and probably did)
    I am perplexed by stats again.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/net-migration

    It looks an awful lot like net migration grew dramatically during the last Labour administration and has been falling since.
    Sites like Macrotrends are often filled with garbage data, and you should be wary of them.
    Ah - thanks for the warning. Internet search really has become worthless.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    DavidL said:

    One substantive point in Reeves speech last night was a promise to change the planning system and remove barriers to construction and development. Its been promised before but it would be a great thing for the new government to achieve because it could make a material difference to growth.

    David,

  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    So is this YouTube vid legit? IF so, sounds like truly crap transportation engineering.

    M25 Motorway Closed For The First Time And Not The Last - What's The Point?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqmz4TFks8A
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    One substantive point in Reeves speech last night was a promise to change the planning system and remove barriers to construction and development. Its been promised before but it would be a great thing for the new government to achieve because it could make a material difference to growth.

    David,

    Bojo was going to do the same until the Tories lost the Chesham by election.

    Soon backtracked. Same will happen to Labour.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Did they survive Sunil visiting ?j. 🤔
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    mwadams said:

    rcs1000 said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne share most of the blame for deliberately inflating demand (both physical and financial) for housing assets with loose monetary policy and mass immigration.

    They are partly to blame, but it is the Tories under Boris, Truss and Sunak who have let immigration explode to even greater and more absurd levels: 1.4m in two years. Blair could only dream of that (and probably did)
    I am perplexed by stats again.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/net-migration

    It looks an awful lot like net migration grew dramatically during the last Labour administration and has been falling since.
    Sites like Macrotrends are often filled with garbage data, and you should be wary of them.
    Ah - thanks for the warning. Internet search really has become worthless.
    Not really. Just need to be somewhat selective re: sources, and sources of sources, and . . .
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    There have always been estates shoddily constructed by speculative housebuilders. I live in one of them - constructed in a hurry in the 1860s for the new money up the hill from Deptford docks, the suburban executive homes of their day. they didn't even pin the walls and floors together, just put up 4 walls and hung the floors inside them. As a result lots of the houses on our street have toppling front or back walls that can lean a foot or two out at the top. They also had pretty basic foundations and tend to heave and subside on the London clay.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    Somewhat false equivalence between the odious Crosby and @iSam and @MrEd.

    Rod Crosby was a virulent antisemite and Holocaust-denier. "Provocative opinions" underplays it somewhat.
    My guess having read the final few posts of Truman was that he was becoming so obviously artificial as well as spammy that the mods decided enough was enough. The concern-trolling was ramping up, it was mainly just pasted material from other websites, and it was starting to look very bot-like (real bot - there were certainly stylistic hints this might be the case - or paid human bot).

    That's what distinguished DJ41 from the others. Yes some fruity views on a range of things and very clearly Russia-aligned, but an actual human who applied his brain to posts and wrote eloquently.
    You genuinely think he was AI?

    Surely not. His long ten paragraph description of life and poverty in provincial Russia sounded like a real human to me, 100%, and also like someone with genuine and deep experience of Russia, The way he joked about Kalmykia Oblast… that was not AI. If it was AI then it has got staggeringly good and we might as well all give up

    In truth, he came across as more real and with more interesting and varied views than some of our regular, long-standing commenters…
    Such Remarkable gullibility
    You are one of the commenters i am referring to. He - a bot - was wittier and more interesting than you. Admittedly not hard, but it shows how much AI is improving
    The remarkable thing remains how you seem to expect us all to marvel at your foresight whilst we can all see that you’re so fixated on the detail that you have such little ability to pan out to take any sort of wider view.
    QED. Another one of your endless boring yet slightly embittered remarks, devoid of humour and purpose, and clumsily written to boot; this stuff could easily be generated by GPT3 let alone GPT5; I am beginning to have suspicions that you are an early AI model
    One of those fun little mutual running beefs that PB enjoys. Nigel and Malcolm being another.
    We probably all have someone on here who is a natural nemesis. Either because what they write or how they write it irritates us irrationally, or because they have the most opposite views to us on various topics (or both).
    Thankfully the bellend has disappeared, his rock probably fell on him.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Used to go out with a girl from Hartlepool when I was at college. Went wrong, but very nearly went right!.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Labour leads by 24% in the Red Wall.

    Lowest Conservative vote % since Sunak became PM.

    Highest ever Reform %.

    Red Wall VI (16 March):

    Labour 48% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Reform UK 16% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 5% (-1)
    Other 6% (-1)

    Changes +/- 25 Feb


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1770495525084631118

    Broken, sleazy Labour, Libdems AND Tories on the slide!
    Ditto "Other"!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    Somewhat false equivalence between the odious Crosby and @iSam and @MrEd.

    Rod Crosby was a virulent antisemite and Holocaust-denier. "Provocative opinions" underplays it somewhat.
    My guess having read the final few posts of Truman was that he was becoming so obviously artificial as well as spammy that the mods decided enough was enough. The concern-trolling was ramping up, it was mainly just pasted material from other websites, and it was starting to look very bot-like (real bot - there were certainly stylistic hints this might be the case - or paid human bot).

    That's what distinguished DJ41 from the others. Yes some fruity views on a range of things and very clearly Russia-aligned, but an actual human who applied his brain to posts and wrote eloquently.
    You genuinely think he was AI?

    Surely not. His long ten paragraph description of life and poverty in provincial Russia sounded like a real human to me, 100%, and also like someone with genuine and deep experience of Russia, The way he joked about Kalmykia Oblast… that was not AI. If it was AI then it has got staggeringly good and we might as well all give up

    In truth, he came across as more real and with more interesting and varied views than some of our regular, long-standing commenters…
    Such Remarkable gullibility
    You are one of the commenters i am referring to. He - a bot - was wittier and more interesting than you. Admittedly not hard, but it shows how much AI is improving
    The remarkable thing remains how you seem to expect us all to marvel at your foresight whilst we can all see that you’re so fixated on the detail that you have such little ability to pan out to take any sort of wider view.
    QED. Another one of your endless boring yet slightly embittered remarks, devoid of humour and purpose, and clumsily written to boot; this stuff could easily be generated by GPT3 let alone GPT5; I am beginning to have suspicions that you are an early AI model
    One of those fun little mutual running beefs that PB enjoys. Nigel and Malcolm being another.
    We probably all have someone on here who is a natural nemesis. Either because what they write or how they write it irritates us irrationally, or because they have the most opposite views to us on various topics (or both).
    Malc and I long ago reached a position of mutual respect.
    Won't hear a word against him.

    Oh, you mean the other one.
    Same feeling I get when people remember with warmth the spiky contributions of "Tim"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    ChatGPT insists my plant is a royal palm. When I question it and point out the massive anomalies, it insists that’s just cause I’ve got a “juvenile” example

    Interestingly crap

    Meanwhile Google lens silently nails it. This is surely an example of the Traveller’s Palm, from Madagascar

    https://www.junglemusic.net/Ravenala/The_Traveler_Palm.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Well.

    Chihuahua killed and woman injured in attack by two XL bully-type dogs in Glasgow

    Police Scotland said it received a report of the dogs attacking a 25-year-old woman and her pet chihuahua in Finnart Street on Monday afternoon. Officers are now trying to trace the owner of the two canines.


    https://news.sky.com/story/chihuahua-killed-and-woman-injured-in-attack-by-two-xl-bully-type-dogs-in-glasgow-13098708?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    Somewhat false equivalence between the odious Crosby and @iSam and @MrEd.

    Rod Crosby was a virulent antisemite and Holocaust-denier. "Provocative opinions" underplays it somewhat.
    My guess having read the final few posts of Truman was that he was becoming so obviously artificial as well as spammy that the mods decided enough was enough. The concern-trolling was ramping up, it was mainly just pasted material from other websites, and it was starting to look very bot-like (real bot - there were certainly stylistic hints this might be the case - or paid human bot).

    That's what distinguished DJ41 from the others. Yes some fruity views on a range of things and very clearly Russia-aligned, but an actual human who applied his brain to posts and wrote eloquently.
    You genuinely think he was AI?

    Surely not. His long ten paragraph description of life and poverty in provincial Russia sounded like a real human to me, 100%, and also like someone with genuine and deep experience of Russia, The way he joked about Kalmykia Oblast… that was not AI. If it was AI then it has got staggeringly good and we might as well all give up

    In truth, he came across as more real and with more interesting and varied views than some of our regular, long-standing commenters…
    I missed the one about poverty in rural Russia, which is annoying because I assume it was in response to my comment!
    Made you want to emigrate to Russia, a real land of milk and honey
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Planning is way down the list of reasons to blame.

    Taxes on property ownership are way too low, if you care to look around the rest of the world. With years of low interest rates, the return on other investments has been so low that UK property has turned into an investment rather than simply a place to live, such that the older age group now owns a significant slice of the property being occupied by younger age groups. The UK is wide open to foreign criminalsinvestors buying up prime property, often then left empty, in a way that almost all other countries simply aren’t. And property developers land bank permissions and deliberately develop at a slow rate lower than demand, to maximise their profits on new build developments. Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of unfulfilled planning permissions for new housing.

    Sort out the anomalous financial climate around housing, and 75% of the problem would be solved. But our inadequate politicians would rather pretend that removing planning controls will somehow magic away all the other problems that they themselves have created.

    Planning is top of the list.

    Supply and demand determines prices. Planning restrictions cut supply.

    Investors only make money due to our planning system. Abolish that, construction would boom (from small scale developers who don't currently get permission) and investors would lose money.

    Anyone who loses money from a bad investment deserves as much sympathy as investors in Blockbuster, Woolworths, Wilkinsons and C&A.
    Building regulations also have the same effect. It's no use relaxing planning if people can't build cheaply enough. Abolish building controls and let a thousand shanty towns bloom.
    @BartholomewRoberts idea on this is the best. Set out the codes and let developers develop.
    I think there does need to be some relaxation of building codes.

    For example, do we really need sprinkler systems in small apartment complexes?
    I'm going to have to say something I should do more often: I don't have enough knowledge to answer that question.

    I feel slightly grimy. I have not fulfilled my function and am now questioning my existence. :(
    Knock yourself out.
    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/approved-document-b-fire-safety-frequently-asked-questions

    Basically, no you don't - unless they are above a certain height, or have inadequate fire separation.

    Buildings insurance can be a great deal more expensive in the absence of sprinkler systems, though.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Well.

    Chihuahua killed and woman injured in attack by two XL bully-type dogs in Glasgow

    Police Scotland said it received a report of the dogs attacking a 25-year-old woman and her pet chihuahua in Finnart Street on Monday afternoon. Officers are now trying to trace the owner of the two canines.


    https://news.sky.com/story/chihuahua-killed-and-woman-injured-in-attack-by-two-xl-bully-type-dogs-in-glasgow-13098708?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    The SNP govt there must be so proud by taking their stance on these dangerous dogs just to own the Brits.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 480
    It seems like there is a lull in both polling and politics at the moment.

    I enjoyed Reeves' Mais Lecture by the way (I am a researcher at Bayes btw, so it is a must to watch). I thought her overall strategy towards the economy was compelling. I sorely hope Labour get a shot.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    DavidL said:

    first time buyer

    Sadly this is a country of vested interests and the largest of these is property ownership. The haves are simply not interested in helping the have nots if the cost is the scarcity premium attached to their own assets. This is not a party political failure, it is a societal one.

    The dominant ideology of our times is that greed is good and to beggar thy neighbour.

    If the present situation was not the intended result, then those pushing that ideology for many decades might perhaps think about pushing a less anti-social set of values.
    I am a 52 yr old local government employee of 27 years standing on just above current average UK income. Realistically I cannot afford a mortgage as with current rates and day to day living costs factored in it is untenable if I want to have a semblance of a decent life; IE the ability to afford to eat decent, healthy food, socialise once weekly and have one (UK) week long holiday annually. I do not have family to sub me the savings I don't have to start off on the road to home ownership and won't be leaving a property to anyone once I kick the bucket. I therefore on balance, rent instead. Monthly rent £1180 + bills. Not cheap.
    I prefer also to have a (bit) better quality of life than I would slogging my guts out trying to afford home ownership, of what are, in general terms of modern UK new builds, small and poor quality homes
    Serious rent there, be tough paying that when you are on the pension, you should move to God's country and you could afford a cracking property on that amount.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Used to go out with a girl from Hartlepool when I was at college. Went wrong, but very nearly went right!.
    Ah one of those Roads Not Travelled. They are infinite. But if the Multiverse Theory is right they ARE travelled. You married that girl.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,897
    TimS said:

    Labour leads by 24% in the Red Wall.

    Lowest Conservative vote % since Sunak became PM.

    Highest ever Reform %.

    Red Wall VI (16 March):

    Labour 48% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Reform UK 16% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 5% (-1)
    Other 6% (-1)

    Changes +/- 25 Feb


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1770495525084631118

    Notably Con + Reform is 8 points below Labour, even if their combined position vs LLG has improved by a couple of points.

    This does rather put paid to the stereotype of the Red Wall as full of Alf Garnets though. 40% inclined to right wing parties, and only 16% (higher than nationally but not much) actually buying any of the Reform party schtick.
    I can think of several reasons why the Alf Garnets are no more likely to go Tory than Labour. If we're assuming they are ex Tory voters logic would tell you that abstaining is at least as likely as another vote for the Tories
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    Somewhat false equivalence between the odious Crosby and @iSam and @MrEd.

    Rod Crosby was a virulent antisemite and Holocaust-denier. "Provocative opinions" underplays it somewhat.
    My guess having read the final few posts of Truman was that he was becoming so obviously artificial as well as spammy that the mods decided enough was enough. The concern-trolling was ramping up, it was mainly just pasted material from other websites, and it was starting to look very bot-like (real bot - there were certainly stylistic hints this might be the case - or paid human bot).

    That's what distinguished DJ41 from the others. Yes some fruity views on a range of things and very clearly Russia-aligned, but an actual human who applied his brain to posts and wrote eloquently.
    You genuinely think he was AI?

    Surely not. His long ten paragraph description of life and poverty in provincial Russia sounded like a real human to me, 100%, and also like someone with genuine and deep experience of Russia, The way he joked about Kalmykia Oblast… that was not AI. If it was AI then it has got staggeringly good and we might as well all give up

    In truth, he came across as more real and with more interesting and varied views than some of our regular, long-standing commenters…
    Such Remarkable gullibility
    You are one of the commenters i am referring to. He - a bot - was wittier and more interesting than you. Admittedly not hard, but it shows how much AI is improving
    The remarkable thing remains how you seem to expect us all to marvel at your foresight whilst we can all see that you’re so fixated on the detail that you have such little ability to pan out to take any sort of wider view.
    QED. Another one of your endless boring yet slightly embittered remarks, devoid of humour and purpose, and clumsily written to boot; this stuff could easily be generated by GPT3 let alone GPT5; I am beginning to have suspicions that you are an early AI model
    One of those fun little mutual running beefs that PB enjoys. Nigel and Malcolm being another.
    We probably all have someone on here who is a natural nemesis. Either because what they write or how they write it irritates us irrationally, or because they have the most opposite views to us on various topics (or both).
    Malc and I long ago reached a position of mutual respect.
    Won't hear a word against him.

    Oh, you mean the other one.
    Same feeling I get when people remember with warmth the spiky contributions of "Tim"
    We think quite fondly of you, too.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Used to go out with a girl from Hartlepool when I was at college. Went wrong, but very nearly went right!.
    Ah one of those Roads Not Travelled. They are infinite. But if the Multiverse Theory is right they ARE travelled. You married that girl.
    Marriage wasn’t the immediate objective!
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    I’m looking at a 2009 house to move to which was built by a top two builder in the area (according to my surveyor). It’s real last gasp of the pre-crash bubble stuff. Siemens appliances, German fixings, huge rooms and an integrated garage. Most importantly a completely clean home report. It’s a townhouse so apparently no one wants it? If I can figure out what the bloody hell the roof is made of we’ll offer on it and it looks like a very solid deal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,897
    edited March 20

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Used to go out with a girl from Hartlepool when I was at college. Went wrong, but very nearly went right!.
    You certainly dodged a bullet there!
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,513
    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    More than one reason why so.
    Housebuilders are not charities. market price matters.
    Like all other firms they plan to maximise the bottom line.
    The housing/land market is tightly and non-rationally regulated.
    The best approach is to ensure a consistent reasonably predictable flow of work. Landbanks are used to plan ahead as well as regulate price.
    You don't want to have to find X thousand brickies that don't exist from thin air next week, and then lay them off the following month.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Barnesian said:

    O/T A new poll (Economist) has just come out showing Biden ahead of Trump (44/43).

    That is the fifth poll in a row where Biden is in the lead (or a tie in one case). The moving average is now tied 45/45.

    There seems to be a clear movement to Biden.

    Drip drip drip as Trump's unelectability dawns on the critical mass of non-partisan voters who will decide the election. That's my confident prediction. It's just a matter of whether to have him with jam or marmalade.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,129

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    The housebuilders are acting like OPEC, and restrict supply to support prices. There are two alternative approaches for dealing with this.

    1. Bart's approach of abolishing all planning restrictions so that there's no shortage of land to be built on, and any builder who sits on undeveloped land will face another builder taking the sale by building first.

    Negative consequences/criticisms - unplanned building will make it harder to provide services to new housing. Urban sprawl will become a blight on the countryside. It might not even work, as the demand for housing is concentrated in particular hotspots, developers might still be able to control the market in particular areas.

    2. Allow local councils to build houses again, so that a steady supply of council housing stops developers from distorting the market, and also acts as a quality standard for private housing to compete against.

    Negative consequences/criticisms - wherever would cash-starved councils find the money to become housebuilders? They might be rubbish at it.
    I favour option 2 and would fund it from central government (luckily I don't need to get elected, eh?). But I think the housing problem is big and bad enough that we should probably do multiple things to try to attack it rather than just one.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    pm215 said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    The housebuilders are acting like OPEC, and restrict supply to support prices. There are two alternative approaches for dealing with this.

    1. Bart's approach of abolishing all planning restrictions so that there's no shortage of land to be built on, and any builder who sits on undeveloped land will face another builder taking the sale by building first.

    Negative consequences/criticisms - unplanned building will make it harder to provide services to new housing. Urban sprawl will become a blight on the countryside. It might not even work, as the demand for housing is concentrated in particular hotspots, developers might still be able to control the market in particular areas.

    2. Allow local councils to build houses again, so that a steady supply of council housing stops developers from distorting the market, and also acts as a quality standard for private housing to compete against.

    Negative consequences/criticisms - wherever would cash-starved councils find the money to become housebuilders? They might be rubbish at it.
    I favour option 2 and would fund it from central government (luckily I don't need to get elected, eh?). But I think the housing problem is big and bad enough that we should probably do multiple things to try to attack it rather than just one.
    Anyone who has ever used “local character” as a reason to object to a planning application should be barred from objecting ever again. That would crimp a good 70% of bad faith NIMBYism.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Used to go out with a girl from Hartlepool when I was at college. Went wrong, but very nearly went right!.
    You certainly dodged a bullet there!
    I sometimes wonder about that, but I’m very happy with Mrs C, who comes from another town sometimes criticised on here.
    Who knows!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    I feel personally attacked by this.

    How to drive a Mercedes.




  • Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 127
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    first time buyer

    Sadly this is a country of vested interests and the largest of these is property ownership. The haves are simply not interested in helping the have nots if the cost is the scarcity premium attached to their own assets. This is not a party political failure, it is a societal one.

    The dominant ideology of our times is that greed is good and to beggar thy neighbour.

    If the present situation was not the intended result, then those pushing that ideology for many decades might perhaps think about pushing a less anti-social set of values.
    I am a 52 yr old local government employee of 27 years standing on just above current average UK income. Realistically I cannot afford a mortgage as with current rates and day to day living costs factored in it is untenable if I want to have a semblance of a decent life; IE the ability to afford to eat decent, healthy food, socialise once weekly and have one (UK) week long holiday annually. I do not have family to sub me the savings I don't have to start off on the road to home ownership and won't be leaving a property to anyone once I kick the bucket. I therefore on balance, rent instead. Monthly rent £1180 + bills. Not cheap.
    I prefer also to have a (bit) better quality of life than I would slogging my guts out trying to afford home ownership, of what are, in general terms of modern UK new builds, small and poor quality homes
    Serious rent there, be tough paying that when you are on the pension, you should move to God's country and you could afford a cracking property on that amount.
    That is cheap for London, and I'm on the south west outskirts and am fortunate to have a kindly landlord who knows it's difficult and genuinely tries to keep it down. Average 1 bedroom flat rent is £1500 per month these days.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    Certainly the failure to build enough new homes has cost the Tories the support of younger voters, even Cameron pre Brexit in 2015 lost most under 35s to Ed Miliband's Labour as most of them rent. One of the reasons Poilievre is likely to lead the Canadian Conservatives from opposition back to power next year is his push for more new homes, especially to be built near stations. As a result the Canadian Conservatives are now doing relatively much better with younger voters and almost as well as they do with pensioners.

    Blair's failure to impose transition controls on migrants from the new accession nations in 2004 and massively increased immigration overall since 1997 has also increased demand for housing, further adding to price rises combined with lack of supply. The biggest Nimbys of course are often the LDs, certainly at local level in alliance with Greens and Independents. If Starmer is to see more new homes as he wants he will have to defy Nimbyism, especially in the South outside London and London suburbs, even more so if he tries to expand building on the greenbelt
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Barnesian said:

    O/T A new poll (Economist) has just come out showing Biden ahead of Trump (44/43).

    That is the fifth poll in a row where Biden is in the lead (or a tie in one case). The moving average is now tied 45/45.

    There seems to be a clear movement to Biden.

    Yes, we flagged this yesterday, but that’s further evidence of the trend.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Do they... understand how grenades work?



    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1770505398325313824
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    I didn't know he was known for anything much.

    British deputy PM visits SM Entertainment
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=371061
    British Deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden, who is visiting Seoul for the Summit for Democracy, paid a surprise visit to the office of K-pop powerhouse SM Entertainment, Tuesday.
    Dowden, accompanied by a delegation of British officials including British Ambassador to Korea Colin Crooks, British Council in Korea Director Paul Clementson and special adviser Edward de Minckwitz, visited the headquarters of SM Entertainment in eastern Seoul's Seongdong District, and met with SM's CEO Jang Cheol-hyuk and Chief Global Officer Choi Jung-min.

    Known for his longstanding passion for culture and entertainment and his children's avid love of K-pop, the deputy prime minister requested a visit to the leading K-pop company through the British Council in Korea, according to a statement released by SM Entertainment, Wednesday.

    SM, a titan in the K-pop industry with chart-topping acts including Super Junior, EXO, Red Velvet, NCT, aespa and most recently RIIZE, welcomed the British delegation, showcasing the breadth of its global influence...

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    Do they... understand how grenades work?



    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1770505398325313824

    Suicide bomber. Sounds about right for Tory MPs.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    I found that Guardian article a bit sus. I suspect there was some very selective use of statistics in there. I struggle to see how a larger share of landlords vs owner occupiers has a material effect on house prices in the long run, unless landlords are keeping the properties empty (but why would they do that?). House prices reflect three factors predominantly: supply vs demand, interest rates, and inflation (since the first two are real factors determining real house prices). Not many people seem to be aware that in real terms house prices are at the same level they were 20 years ago. Over that period, owner occupancy has fallen by about 6pp but house prices have moved sideways. Landlords may be bastards and owner occupancy may be a good thing, but it's a separate discussion to the one about the level of house prices IMHO.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    Do they... understand how grenades work?



    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1770505398325313824

    Scarily, the answer might be yes.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Do they... understand how grenades work?



    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1770505398325313824

    Accurate for once (modern grenades have a dead man’s handle that only starts the fuse when released), although that MP better keep it held or things might get messy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
  • Twickbait_55Twickbait_55 Posts: 127

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    first time buyer

    Sadly this is a country of vested interests and the largest of these is property ownership. The haves are simply not interested in helping the have nots if the cost is the scarcity premium attached to their own assets. This is not a party political failure, it is a societal one.

    The dominant ideology of our times is that greed is good and to beggar thy neighbour.

    If the present situation was not the intended result, then those pushing that ideology for many decades might perhaps think about pushing a less anti-social set of values.
    I am a 52 yr old local government employee of 27 years standing on just above current average UK income. Realistically I cannot afford a mortgage as with current rates and day to day living costs factored in it is untenable if I want to have a semblance of a decent life; IE the ability to afford to eat decent, healthy food, socialise once weekly and have one (UK) week long holiday annually. I do not have family to sub me the savings I don't have to start off on the road to home ownership and won't be leaving a property to anyone once I kick the bucket. I therefore on balance, rent instead. Monthly rent £1180 + bills. Not cheap.
    I prefer also to have a (bit) better quality of life than I would slogging my guts out trying to afford home ownership, of what are, in general terms of modern UK new builds, small and poor quality homes
    Serious rent there, be tough paying that when you are on the pension, you should move to God's country and you could afford a cracking property on that amount.
    That is cheap for London, and I'm on the south west outskirts and am fortunate to have a kindly landlord who knows it's difficult and genuinely tries to keep it down. Average 1 bedroom flat rent is £1500 per month these days.
    There needs to be a drive to build large amounts of genuinely affordable housing and more social housing. Some would scoff at the idea of building social housing. I work with social housing and know 1st hand the genuine problems those poor and on low incomes have trying to find a roof to go over their heads.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,865

    Well.

    Chihuahua killed and woman injured in attack by two XL bully-type dogs in Glasgow

    Police Scotland said it received a report of the dogs attacking a 25-year-old woman and her pet chihuahua in Finnart Street on Monday afternoon. Officers are now trying to trace the owner of the two canines.


    https://news.sky.com/story/chihuahua-killed-and-woman-injured-in-attack-by-two-xl-bully-type-dogs-in-glasgow-13098708?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    They're not canines, they're dogs, even if the reporter has already used the word dogs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    edited March 20
    Barnesian said:

    O/T A new poll (Economist) has just come out showing Biden ahead of Trump (44/43).

    That is the fifth poll in a row where Biden is in the lead (or a tie in one case). The moving average is now tied 45/45.

    There seems to be a clear movement to Biden.

    Not a great deal for Biden to crow about though, 44% or 45% would be the lowest voteshare for a re elected President in US history. It would also be the lowest voteshare for a Democratic nominee for President since the 43% Clinton got in 1992 (when Perot got 19% in a 3 way race) and match the 45% Dukakis got in 1988 when Bush 41 beat him by a landslide.

    If Haley had been GOP nominee rather than Trump she would surely now be polling over 50% and heading for the White House?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    DavidL said:

    first time buyer

    Sadly this is a country of vested interests and the largest of these is property ownership. The haves are simply not interested in helping the have nots if the cost is the scarcity premium attached to their own assets. This is not a party political failure, it is a societal one.

    Damn, I hate it when we are the ones to blame, I'd much prefer to blame a politician.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Well.

    Chihuahua killed and woman injured in attack by two XL bully-type dogs in Glasgow

    Police Scotland said it received a report of the dogs attacking a 25-year-old woman and her pet chihuahua in Finnart Street on Monday afternoon. Officers are now trying to trace the owner of the two canines.


    https://news.sky.com/story/chihuahua-killed-and-woman-injured-in-attack-by-two-xl-bully-type-dogs-in-glasgow-13098708?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    They're not canines, they're dogs, even if the reporter has already used the word dogs.
    Canines are teeth. Canids are dogs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    edited March 20

    Well.

    Chihuahua killed and woman injured in attack by two XL bully-type dogs in Glasgow

    Police Scotland said it received a report of the dogs attacking a 25-year-old woman and her pet chihuahua in Finnart Street on Monday afternoon. Officers are now trying to trace the owner of the two canines.


    https://news.sky.com/story/chihuahua-killed-and-woman-injured-in-attack-by-two-xl-bully-type-dogs-in-glasgow-13098708?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

    Sad but not a problem in England of course now Rishi's government has banned XL Bullys
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    Somewhat false equivalence between the odious Crosby and @iSam and @MrEd.

    Rod Crosby was a virulent antisemite and Holocaust-denier. "Provocative opinions" underplays it somewhat.
    My guess having read the final few posts of Truman was that he was becoming so obviously artificial as well as spammy that the mods decided enough was enough. The concern-trolling was ramping up, it was mainly just pasted material from other websites, and it was starting to look very bot-like (real bot - there were certainly stylistic hints this might be the case - or paid human bot).

    That's what distinguished DJ41 from the others. Yes some fruity views on a range of things and very clearly Russia-aligned, but an actual human who applied his brain to posts and wrote eloquently.
    You genuinely think he was AI?

    Surely not. His long ten paragraph description of life and poverty in provincial Russia sounded like a real human to me, 100%, and also like someone with genuine and deep experience of Russia, The way he joked about Kalmykia Oblast… that was not AI. If it was AI then it has got staggeringly good and we might as well all give up

    In truth, he came across as more real and with more interesting and varied views than some of our regular, long-standing commenters…
    Such Remarkable gullibility
    You are one of the commenters i am referring to. He - a bot - was wittier and more interesting than you. Admittedly not hard, but it shows how much AI is improving
    The remarkable thing remains how you seem to expect us all to marvel at your foresight whilst we can all see that you’re so fixated on the detail that you have such little ability to pan out to take any sort of wider view.
    QED. Another one of your endless boring yet slightly embittered remarks, devoid of humour and purpose, and clumsily written to boot; this stuff could easily be generated by GPT3 let alone GPT5; I am beginning to have suspicions that you are an early AI model
    One of those fun little mutual running beefs that PB enjoys. Nigel and Malcolm being another.
    We probably all have someone on here who is a natural nemesis. Either because what they write or how they write it irritates us irrationally, or because they have the most opposite views to us on various topics (or both).
    Nigel(F) loves a feud. He's had dozens. I recall a frenzied spat between him and (RIP) Ishmael, who also liked a feud, whereby over a period of days the pair of them strained for ever more outlandish ways to denigrate the size of the other's penis. All civility was dropped as these two men reverted to their raw essence. It was pure lord of the (open) flies.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    If polling day were to be May 2, with dissolution on March 26, the general election would have to be announced 21 or 22. Under electoral law, Parliament has to be dissolved – in other words, come to an end – 25 working days before a general election is held. In practice, Parliament would need a few days’ notice of dissolution to allow MPs and peers to decide which – if any – remaining pieces of non-controversial legislation should be approved. It has also become a tradition for the House of Commons to hold a “valedictory debate” just before a dissolution, during which MPs who are standing down from Parliament are given time to make a farewell speech. This means that if the election were to be on May 2, dissolution must take place no later than March 26, Sunak would need to call the election several days before dissolution took place.

    What an optimistic economic backdrop to fight an April general election campaign. Looking at how much better todays PMQs was for Rishi, armed with good news of inflation and interest rate falls to come, and still dining out on boat crossings down by a third - all those arguments will be removed from him in an Autumn campaign, where high mortgages high interests rates, rising inflation and energy costs and the record boat crossings are going to be used to flatten him.

    If you are not choosing a date based on forecasts for mood music of your campaign, what are you choosing it on 🤷‍♀️
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


    That Advocaat extinguisher looks nasty.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    Somewhat false equivalence between the odious Crosby and @iSam and @MrEd.

    Rod Crosby was a virulent antisemite and Holocaust-denier. "Provocative opinions" underplays it somewhat.
    My guess having read the final few posts of Truman was that he was becoming so obviously artificial as well as spammy that the mods decided enough was enough. The concern-trolling was ramping up, it was mainly just pasted material from other websites, and it was starting to look very bot-like (real bot - there were certainly stylistic hints this might be the case - or paid human bot).

    That's what distinguished DJ41 from the others. Yes some fruity views on a range of things and very clearly Russia-aligned, but an actual human who applied his brain to posts and wrote eloquently.
    You genuinely think he was AI?

    Surely not. His long ten paragraph description of life and poverty in provincial Russia sounded like a real human to me, 100%, and also like someone with genuine and deep experience of Russia, The way he joked about Kalmykia Oblast… that was not AI. If it was AI then it has got staggeringly good and we might as well all give up

    In truth, he came across as more real and with more interesting and varied views than some of our regular, long-standing commenters…
    Such Remarkable gullibility
    You are one of the commenters i am referring to. He - a bot - was wittier and more interesting than you. Admittedly not hard, but it shows how much AI is improving
    The remarkable thing remains how you seem to expect us all to marvel at your foresight whilst we can all see that you’re so fixated on the detail that you have such little ability to pan out to take any sort of wider view.
    QED. Another one of your endless boring yet slightly embittered remarks, devoid of humour and purpose, and clumsily written to boot; this stuff could easily be generated by GPT3 let alone GPT5; I am beginning to have suspicions that you are an early AI model
    One of those fun little mutual running beefs that PB enjoys. Nigel and Malcolm being another.
    We probably all have someone on here who is a natural nemesis. Either because what they write or how they write it irritates us irrationally, or because they have the most opposite views to us on various topics (or both).
    Malc and I long ago reached a position of mutual respect.
    Won't hear a word against him.

    Oh, you mean the other one.
    Same feeling I get when people remember with warmth the spiky contributions of "Tim"
    There have been other "Tims" also remembered with warmth - e.g. the Americans, @MTimT and @Tim_B
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Nigelb said:

    I didn't know he was known for anything much.

    British deputy PM visits SM Entertainment

    You're one up on most people though who wouldn't know he was Deputy PM at all.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne share most of the blame for deliberately inflating demand (both physical and financial) for housing assets with loose monetary policy and mass immigration.

    Should have voted for Ed Milliband in 2015, who worked out ever rising property values is counter aspirational, and was widely derided for it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    FF43 said:

    Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne share most of the blame for deliberately inflating demand (both physical and financial) for housing assets with loose monetary policy and mass immigration.

    Should have voted for Ed Milliband in 2015, who worked out ever rising property values is counter aspirational, and was widely derided for it.
    Who knows, maybe Starmer and Rayner will somehow contrive to lose their seats despite winning a landslide - attacks from aggrieved Corbynites no doubt - and Labour will need to turn to Ed M to be PM, as the most experienced figure on the front bench.
  • Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    No but according to the Census it's population has grown, just like practically every other town or city in the country.

    So more houses are needed. It's not been undergoing population decline.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    I've been to 'Boro and Hartlepool, and survived :lol:
    Used to go out with a girl from Hartlepool when I was at college. Went wrong, but very nearly went right!.
    Ah one of those Roads Not Travelled. They are infinite. But if the Multiverse Theory is right they ARE travelled. You married that girl.
    Marriage wasn’t the immediate objective!
    🙂 Well I wanted to keep it clean.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814

    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    No shit :lol:
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,517
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    If polling day were to be May 2, with dissolution on March 26, the general election would have to be announced 21 or 22. Under electoral law, Parliament has to be dissolved – in other words, come to an end – 25 working days before a general election is held. In practice, Parliament would need a few days’ notice of dissolution to allow MPs and peers to decide which – if any – remaining pieces of non-controversial legislation should be approved. It has also become a tradition for the House of Commons to hold a “valedictory debate” just before a dissolution, during which MPs who are standing down from Parliament are given time to make a farewell speech. This means that if the election were to be on May 2, dissolution must take place no later than March 26, Sunak would need to call the election several days before dissolution took place.

    What an optimistic economic backdrop to fight an April general election campaign. Looking at how much better todays PMQs was for Rishi, armed with good news of inflation and interest rate falls to come, and still dining out on boat crossings down by a third - all those arguments will be removed from him in an Autumn campaign, where high mortgages high interests rates, rising inflation and energy costs and the record boat crossings are going to be used to flatten him.

    If you are not choosing a date based on forecasts for mood music of your campaign, what are you choosing it on 🤷‍♀️

    You are right. A more precise figure is, and always has been, approximately Zero%.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    Labour should institute the 'Ministry of public works'. Get a little competition back in the market.
    It’s perfectly simple. Don’t grant local monopolies. If one or two of the giants are doing all the developments in a district, then they can play games like this.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


    That Advocaat extinguisher looks nasty.
    I’m staying at entirely the wrong hotel. It has no pool and no aircon, and it is “feels like” 44C here in Palomino. Excruciatingly hot (hence the chilled white wine as coolant and anaesthetic)

    I got carried away by the 9.3 rating on booking.com next to a reasonable price - usually a great sign. However I now realise that rating is given by all the eager young people who come here to do Buddhist chanting and endless daily yoga sessions. I’m in a kind of Woke Colombian Ashram

    The girls are pretty, tanned and lithe, but oddly unsexy. All that Woke yoga. The men are hermaphrodites with good teeth

    They speak Globish, fractured basic English “ok guys now breakfast”

    I like the squirrels and the iguanas. I shall move on tomorrow
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    algarkirk said:

    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    If polling day were to be May 2, with dissolution on March 26, the general election would have to be announced 21 or 22. Under electoral law, Parliament has to be dissolved – in other words, come to an end – 25 working days before a general election is held. In practice, Parliament would need a few days’ notice of dissolution to allow MPs and peers to decide which – if any – remaining pieces of non-controversial legislation should be approved. It has also become a tradition for the House of Commons to hold a “valedictory debate” just before a dissolution, during which MPs who are standing down from Parliament are given time to make a farewell speech. This means that if the election were to be on May 2, dissolution must take place no later than March 26, Sunak would need to call the election several days before dissolution took place.

    What an optimistic economic backdrop to fight an April general election campaign. Looking at how much better todays PMQs was for Rishi, armed with good news of inflation and interest rate falls to come, and still dining out on boat crossings down by a third - all those arguments will be removed from him in an Autumn campaign, where high mortgages high interests rates, rising inflation and energy costs and the record boat crossings are going to be used to flatten him.

    If you are not choosing a date based on forecasts for mood music of your campaign, what are you choosing it on 🤷‍♀️

    You are right. A more precise figure is, and always has been, approximately Zero%.
    What makes you sure it’s always been approximately zero? Where’s your evidence?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    Each and every one of those houses was built to a telephone directory sized paper pile. Which was all signed off.

    Since the paperwork is fine, it’s reality that’s wrong.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    Why should housebuilders, any more than candlestick makers, be required to fund schools and bits of the NHS? This is a tax payer liability; housebuilders provide a service, the growing population they serve is a direct result of government migration policy, and the consequences are a state liability.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Good. Fucking disgraceful

    If you want to live in an Islamic theocracy go live in Iran or Saudi
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,517
    algarkirk said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    More than one reason why so.
    Housebuilders are not charities. market price matters.
    Like all other firms they plan to maximise the bottom line.
    The housing/land market is tightly and non-rationally regulated.
    The best approach is to ensure a consistent reasonably predictable flow of work. Landbanks are used to plan ahead as well as regulate price.
    You don't want to have to find X thousand brickies that don't exist from thin air next week, and then lay them off the following month.
    Landbanks have been increasing every year for more than a decade. Their main use is to force local gvernment to release more land by ensuring they don't meet their housing targets.

    And yes, finding brickies (and carpenters and plasterers and plumbers and roofers) and then laying them off the next week is EXACTLY what builders do.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620

    algarkirk said:

    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    If polling day were to be May 2, with dissolution on March 26, the general election would have to be announced 21 or 22. Under electoral law, Parliament has to be dissolved – in other words, come to an end – 25 working days before a general election is held. In practice, Parliament would need a few days’ notice of dissolution to allow MPs and peers to decide which – if any – remaining pieces of non-controversial legislation should be approved. It has also become a tradition for the House of Commons to hold a “valedictory debate” just before a dissolution, during which MPs who are standing down from Parliament are given time to make a farewell speech. This means that if the election were to be on May 2, dissolution must take place no later than March 26, Sunak would need to call the election several days before dissolution took place.

    What an optimistic economic backdrop to fight an April general election campaign. Looking at how much better todays PMQs was for Rishi, armed with good news of inflation and interest rate falls to come, and still dining out on boat crossings down by a third - all those arguments will be removed from him in an Autumn campaign, where high mortgages high interests rates, rising inflation and energy costs and the record boat crossings are going to be used to flatten him.

    If you are not choosing a date based on forecasts for mood music of your campaign, what are you choosing it on 🤷‍♀️

    You are right. A more precise figure is, and always has been, approximately Zero%.
    What makes you sure it’s always been approximately zero? Where’s your evidence?
    The polls and past experience.

    No PM will call an election when they are 20% behind the polls unless they run out of time.

    All the other signs have made it clear May was a non starter as the Tories weren't buying billboard spaces and ads commensurate with a May general election.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    edited March 20

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    Why should new houses pay for services? That should be abolished!

    Everyone should pay for services, young and old, not just young people that need a home while others sit back and contribute diddly squat.

    Available land with planning permission is irrelevant when other land doesn't have planning permission and can't compete.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    I've always assumed developers are too smart to flood the market with new-builds and drive the price below the cost of construction.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    Taz said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    It has been like that for years. Using Stockton-on-Tees as an example, the borough has both seen tens of thousands of new homes built over 10 years AND been told by the government that not enough homes are being built.

    If the council isn't building enough then the law allows developers to override everyone and build what they want where they want. So get permission, don't build the council-imposed mix of affordable housing, then get permission to build what you want for big profits!
    Because tens of thousands is farcically nowhere near enough.

    We need millions.

    In Stockton On Tees. You ever been there 😂😂
    No but according to the Census it's population has grown, just like practically every other town or city in the country.

    So more houses are needed. It's not been undergoing population decline.
    Which is why they built tens of thousands there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Deltapoll

    Fieldwork: 15th to 18th March 2024 · Sample: 2,072 adults in Great Britain

    If there were a second referendum on British membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

    Re-join: 54% (+3)
    Stay out: 39% (-4)

    (Changes from 8th to 11th March 2024)
  • algarkirk said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    Why should housebuilders, any more than candlestick makers, be required to fund schools and bits of the NHS? This is a tax payer liability; housebuilders provide a service, the growing population they serve is a direct result of government migration policy, and the consequences are a state liability.
    This.

    100% this.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    algarkirk said:

    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    If polling day were to be May 2, with dissolution on March 26, the general election would have to be announced 21 or 22. Under electoral law, Parliament has to be dissolved – in other words, come to an end – 25 working days before a general election is held. In practice, Parliament would need a few days’ notice of dissolution to allow MPs and peers to decide which – if any – remaining pieces of non-controversial legislation should be approved. It has also become a tradition for the House of Commons to hold a “valedictory debate” just before a dissolution, during which MPs who are standing down from Parliament are given time to make a farewell speech. This means that if the election were to be on May 2, dissolution must take place no later than March 26, Sunak would need to call the election several days before dissolution took place.

    What an optimistic economic backdrop to fight an April general election campaign. Looking at how much better todays PMQs was for Rishi, armed with good news of inflation and interest rate falls to come, and still dining out on boat crossings down by a third - all those arguments will be removed from him in an Autumn campaign, where high mortgages high interests rates, rising inflation and energy costs and the record boat crossings are going to be used to flatten him.

    If you are not choosing a date based on forecasts for mood music of your campaign, what are you choosing it on 🤷‍♀️

    You are right. A more precise figure is, and always has been, approximately Zero%.
    What makes you sure it’s always been approximately zero? Where’s your evidence?
    Asquith's evidence: Wait and see. Apart from that my evidence base is non-existent. The same can be said, with truth, about my equally wild, evidence free and baseless prediction of late September.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 480

    Deltapoll

    Fieldwork: 15th to 18th March 2024 · Sample: 2,072 adults in Great Britain

    If there were a second referendum on British membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

    Re-join: 54% (+3)
    Stay out: 39% (-4)

    (Changes from 8th to 11th March 2024)

    Nice
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited March 20

    Deltapoll

    Fieldwork: 15th to 18th March 2024 · Sample: 2,072 adults in Great Britain

    If there were a second referendum on British membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

    Re-join: 54% (+3)
    Stay out: 39% (-4)

    (Changes from 8th to 11th March 2024)

    That’s a striking shift

    I don’t like it but I won’t deny it. I wonder if Starmer will be tempted. Let’s say he gets a 150 seat majority and the polls are showing 65/35 Rejoin - a sure fire win

    He’s an ardent Remoaner. He will have Remoaner friends saying “We will never get this chance again, a massive majority and the polls totally in favour. Do it NOW”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


    That Advocaat extinguisher looks nasty.
    I’m staying at entirely the wrong hotel. It has no pool and no aircon, and it is “feels like” 44C here in Palomino. Excruciatingly hot (hence the chilled white wine as coolant and anaesthetic)

    I got carried away by the 9.3 rating on booking.com next to a reasonable price - usually a great sign. However I now realise that rating is given by all the eager young people who come here to do Buddhist chanting and endless daily yoga sessions. I’m in a kind of Woke Colombian Ashram

    The girls are pretty, tanned and lithe, but oddly unsexy. All that Woke yoga. The men are hermaphrodites with good teeth

    They speak Globish, fractured basic English “ok guys now breakfast”

    I like the squirrels and the iguanas. I shall move on tomorrow
    “Woke yoga”

    This suggests the existence of unWoke Yoga.

    Hmmm

    Viking Yoga perhaps - “there is no fucking about when we say Corpse Pose”

    Russian Window Yoga….
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,517
    algarkirk said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    Why should housebuilders, any more than candlestick makers, be required to fund schools and bits of the NHS? This is a tax payer liability; housebuilders provide a service, the growing population they serve is a direct result of government migration policy, and the consequences are a state liability.
    Because ever since Thatcher we have worked on the principle of 'polluter pays'. Local councils cannot control how many houses are built in their area - this is assigned from central government. But central Government is not willing to pay for all the costs of the services associated with all the new building. So if they will not pay and the local councils cannot pay then it is down to the company actually making the profit to pay.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    edited March 20
    Leon said:

    Good. Fucking disgraceful

    If you want to live in an Islamic theocracy go live in Iran or Saudi
    Yep. If we'd have let that go it would have been sharia law at the Old Bailey by Christmas. Except there wouldn't be a Christmas.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214

    Deltapoll

    Fieldwork: 15th to 18th March 2024 · Sample: 2,072 adults in Great Britain

    If there were a second referendum on British membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

    Re-join: 54% (+3)
    Stay out: 39% (-4)

    (Changes from 8th to 11th March 2024)

    But how would the polls look if a condition of rejoining was that every British firstborn was exiled to Brussels to work day and night in their mayonnaise mines?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,517
    Leon said:

    Deltapoll

    Fieldwork: 15th to 18th March 2024 · Sample: 2,072 adults in Great Britain

    If there were a second referendum on British membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

    Re-join: 54% (+3)
    Stay out: 39% (-4)

    (Changes from 8th to 11th March 2024)

    That’s a striking shift

    I don’t like it but I won’t deny it. I wonder if Starmer will be tempted. Let’s say he gets a 150 seat majority and the polls are showing 65/35 Rejoin - a sure fire win

    He’s an ardent Remoaner. He will have Remoaner friends saying “We will never get this chance again, a massive majority and the polls totally in favour. Do it NOW”
    It would destroy his Premiership in one go. He has far more importnat things to worry about than reopening that can of worms.

    If he has any sense then he will move towards EFTA membership or some equivalent which is where we should have ended up in the first place.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


    That Advocaat extinguisher looks nasty.
    I’m staying at entirely the wrong hotel. It has no pool and no aircon, and it is “feels like” 44C here in Palomino. Excruciatingly hot (hence the chilled white wine as coolant and anaesthetic)

    I got carried away by the 9.3 rating on booking.com next to a reasonable price - usually a great sign. However I now realise that rating is given by all the eager young people who come here to do Buddhist chanting and endless daily yoga sessions. I’m in a kind of Woke Colombian Ashram

    The girls are pretty, tanned and lithe, but oddly unsexy. All that Woke yoga. The men are hermaphrodites with good teeth

    They speak Globish, fractured basic English “ok guys now breakfast”

    I like the squirrels and the iguanas. I shall move on tomorrow
    “Woke yoga”

    This suggests the existence of unWoke Yoga.

    Hmmm

    Viking Yoga perhaps - “there is no fucking about when we say Corpse Pose”

    Russian Window Yoga….
    No, there really is unwoke yoga

    My young and lovely ex wife, with her weird mix of UKIP-Buddhist TERFy anti-communism, kept trying to sell it to me, as she hates The Wokeness
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,517

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    I've always assumed developers are too smart to flood the market with new-builds and drive the price below the cost of construction.
    Do you know how little it costs to build a house?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


    That Advocaat extinguisher looks nasty.
    I’m staying at entirely the wrong hotel. It has no pool and no aircon, and it is “feels like” 44C here in Palomino. Excruciatingly hot (hence the chilled white wine as coolant and anaesthetic)

    I got carried away by the 9.3 rating on booking.com next to a reasonable price - usually a great sign. However I now realise that rating is given by all the eager young people who come here to do Buddhist chanting and endless daily yoga sessions. I’m in a kind of Woke Colombian Ashram

    The girls are pretty, tanned and lithe, but oddly unsexy. All that Woke yoga. The men are hermaphrodites with good teeth

    They speak Globish, fractured basic English “ok guys now breakfast”

    I like the squirrels and the iguanas. I shall move on tomorrow
    “Woke yoga”

    This suggests the existence of unWoke Yoga.

    Hmmm

    Viking Yoga perhaps - “there is no fucking about when we say Corpse Pose”

    Russian Window Yoga….
    There is of course Fight Club Yoga it’s just that nobody really knows about it because you do not talk about Fight Club Yoga.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Speaking of photos here’s one. Do we have any horticulturalists on the site? Or er palm/cactusologists?

    THIS is just growing, fervently, in my hotel garden, amongst the green iguanas and the Andean squirrels

    What is it? All I know is that it is quite magnificent




    I’m gonna see if an AI app can identify it. An interesting use-case

    A yucca?
    A Traveller’s Palm it seems. Not a true palm tree but very distinctive. It grows in one plane making it kind of 2D

    There are 2 examples here in my hotel garden


    That Advocaat extinguisher looks nasty.
    I’m staying at entirely the wrong hotel. It has no pool and no aircon, and it is “feels like” 44C here in Palomino. Excruciatingly hot (hence the chilled white wine as coolant and anaesthetic)

    I got carried away by the 9.3 rating on booking.com next to a reasonable price - usually a great sign. However I now realise that rating is given by all the eager young people who come here to do Buddhist chanting and endless daily yoga sessions. I’m in a kind of Woke Colombian Ashram

    The girls are pretty, tanned and lithe, but oddly unsexy. All that Woke yoga. The men are hermaphrodites with good teeth

    They speak Globish, fractured basic English “ok guys now breakfast”

    I like the squirrels and the iguanas. I shall move on tomorrow
    I quite like the voyage of discovery that is involved in nearly very nice hotels. Generally its no problem, but it can be odd. Monkeys ransacking the room in Zimbabwe, lots of small lizards lurking everywhere in Laos, a room in Naples that hadn't bothered to be rain proof, and a place in Vietnam where the rattle of cockroaches was quite bad (that one I really objected to, the rest were fine-ish)

    I've not been to Colombia other than Bogata airport for a brief stop. I genuinely think that the most beautiful girl ever to exist was a stewardess on that flight though. More amazing even than Salma Hayek. I was struck dumb, obviously. (I can deal with 'quite stunning', but the categories beyond that cause me to trip over my tongue)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    edited March 20
    And let's not forget our housing crisis isn't just about high prices and declining home ownership. Another big problem is our neglect of the public rental sector. Thatcher.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,513

    algarkirk said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Agree about the NIMBYS but we also need to deal with one of the biggest obstacles to housebuilding - the building firms.

    How can it be acceptable that last year, when prices stopped rising as sharply as they had been, the big developers cut back on their building programmes specificaly citing the platauing of house prices?

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-13052563/Housebuilders-cut-Number-new-homes-planned-fell-44-year.html

    Housebuilders are sitting on hundredas of thousands of plots with planning permission and are refusing to build on them.

    That, and the regulation of new builds is almost non-existent. If you're lucky you get a structurally sound ludicrously expensive rabbit hutch out of your typical volume housebuilder. If you're unlucky the thing is full of serious faults that they don't want to spend money putting right and, as many horrified buyers have quickly discovered, they don't want to do the work and you can do nothing more than beg to get them to do it. The NHBC certificate is worthless.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy a new build under any circumstances. Not good value, not worth the risk.
    We bought new build Barrett in 2005 and we got a good one. Garden full of rubble with major drainage issues. Wall cavities not full of insulation as supposed to be. Cracks in wall and ceiling plaster as the building settled.

    Then we had a hole open up in the downstairs ceiling right above the front door. Just as it was on sale with people coming for viewings. And - having had conversations with various neighbours - we appear to have got a good one!

    Never again.
    Standards have clearly deteriorated over time. My flat was built about 20 years ago and, apart from a little bit of plaster cracking and the windows being a little on the cheap side, it's fine.

    Nowadays you can barely move for tales of wonky walls and collapsed ceilings. There was even a case in Cambridge recently where the shysters built houses that started falling down before they'd finished building them. Those got torn down, but you bet if they could've disguised the problems with plaster and paint they would've flogged them off.
    What's insane is that standards have gotten worse, as costs and regulation have risen.
    Many objections to new housing would disappear is they weren’t so horrendously ugly. Vile redbrick warts all over our fair land

    Build nice Georgian terraces or Victorian semis with proper windows and build them with gentle density - four or five storeys

    Make them handsome and make sure there is infrastructure and community - pubs and shops that are walkable - not soulless Barratt bart-burbs based on the car
    It would help, but given the types of objection many raise which have nothing to do with appearance and character, and more to do with principle or separate material matters, it wouldn't make that much difference.

    The infrastructure point would remove many more - some objections are because people genuinely don't know that contributions from the development may well address those concerns - but given that people also object to infrastructure and amenity changes, I wouldn't bet a non-existent house on it.
    Except contributions from development notoriously don't address those concerns. One of the big problems with Barts loony plans for getting rid of planning is that part of that planning is making developers make contibutions towards servcies. It is a failing system which needs reform but not abolition. Indeed we need more power to force developers to properly fund services - particularly GPs and schools.

    Bart's issue with planning is he fundementally misunderstands what it is and what it does. He wrongly sees it as the main impediment to building (it isn't) and thinks that by sweeping it away things will magically get better and we will get more houses built (we won't).

    The idea that freeing up more land for building will get more houses built is a fallacy. As I have pointed out before available land with planning permission far outstrips the number of houses being built and the gap has widened every year for the last decade or more.
    Why should housebuilders, any more than candlestick makers, be required to fund schools and bits of the NHS? This is a tax payer liability; housebuilders provide a service, the growing population they serve is a direct result of government migration policy, and the consequences are a state liability.
    Because ever since Thatcher we have worked on the principle of 'polluter pays'. Local councils cannot control how many houses are built in their area - this is assigned from central government. But central Government is not willing to pay for all the costs of the services associated with all the new building. So if they will not pay and the local councils cannot pay then it is down to the company actually making the profit to pay.
    If local taxes on property/land were higher, high enough so councils could "profit" from empty land becoming built-on land, then councils would encourage house-building and have the resources for more local services.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214
    Leon said:

    Deltapoll

    Fieldwork: 15th to 18th March 2024 · Sample: 2,072 adults in Great Britain

    If there were a second referendum on British membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

    Re-join: 54% (+3)
    Stay out: 39% (-4)

    (Changes from 8th to 11th March 2024)

    That’s a striking shift

    I don’t like it but I won’t deny it. I wonder if Starmer will be tempted. Let’s say he gets a 150 seat majority and the polls are showing 65/35 Rejoin - a sure fire win

    He’s an ardent Remoaner. He will have Remoaner friends saying “We will never get this chance again, a massive majority and the polls totally in favour. Do it NOW”
    He's also a lawyer. So he won't ask the question (out loud, anyway) unless/until he is certain what the answer is going to be.

    If nothing else, he saw what happened to Dave.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    mwadams said:

    rcs1000 said:

    mwadams said:

    Leon said:

    Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne share most of the blame for deliberately inflating demand (both physical and financial) for housing assets with loose monetary policy and mass immigration.

    They are partly to blame, but it is the Tories under Boris, Truss and Sunak who have let immigration explode to even greater and more absurd levels: 1.4m in two years. Blair could only dream of that (and probably did)
    I am perplexed by stats again.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/net-migration

    It looks an awful lot like net migration grew dramatically during the last Labour administration and has been falling since.
    Sites like Macrotrends are often filled with garbage data, and you should be wary of them.
    Ah - thanks for the warning. Internet search really has become worthless.
    You're not wrong, as I said in previous posts. I have spent long hours this week trying to find a physical shop that sells sliding wardrobe doors, and similarly for adhesive card holders for phones. Google is becoming useless.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    algarkirk said:

    The chances of a General Election on May 2nd are below 50% now, in my opinion. 🫠

    If polling day were to be May 2, with dissolution on March 26, the general election would have to be announced 21 or 22. Under electoral law, Parliament has to be dissolved – in other words, come to an end – 25 working days before a general election is held. In practice, Parliament would need a few days’ notice of dissolution to allow MPs and peers to decide which – if any – remaining pieces of non-controversial legislation should be approved. It has also become a tradition for the House of Commons to hold a “valedictory debate” just before a dissolution, during which MPs who are standing down from Parliament are given time to make a farewell speech. This means that if the election were to be on May 2, dissolution must take place no later than March 26, Sunak would need to call the election several days before dissolution took place.

    What an optimistic economic backdrop to fight an April general election campaign. Looking at how much better todays PMQs was for Rishi, armed with good news of inflation and interest rate falls to come, and still dining out on boat crossings down by a third - all those arguments will be removed from him in an Autumn campaign, where high mortgages high interests rates, rising inflation and energy costs and the record boat crossings are going to be used to flatten him.

    If you are not choosing a date based on forecasts for mood music of your campaign, what are you choosing it on 🤷‍♀️

    You are right. A more precise figure is, and always has been, approximately Zero%.
    What makes you sure it’s always been approximately zero? Where’s your evidence?
    The polls and past experience.

    No PM will call an election when they are 20% behind the polls unless they run out of time.

    All the other signs have made it clear May was a non starter as the Tories weren't buying billboard spaces and ads commensurate with a May general election.
    no PM will call election when 20% behind? They won’t let it time out on December 17th, hold campaign over holidays, it will give them even worse result than they deserve - so they will call and hold an election before Dec 17th, even if 20% behind.

    Billboards are so last century - check out how much Conservative Party has spent on social media advertising since December. 😦

    They are not 20 points behind anyway, they are only 7 away. It’s only 8% they need to claw back, and that certainly feels very doable in April to me, as I explained just now.

    It’s like you are living in the past, giving this bespoke 21st century situation no thought or analysis 🫣
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    From the FT. It is not just we are not building enough homes. We are not building enough where they are needed. Some places, as Rochdale mentioned with Stockton, are building a fair quantity.

    https://x.com/sam_dumitriu/status/1746830581428564014?s=61
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    I could point out many seem to feel my opinions are provocative yet I am still here
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Heathener said:

    @MarqueeMark it wouldn't surprise me if Totnes became a three-way marginal

    Strictly speaking there isn’t going to be a Totnes constituency any more. It is being subsumed by South Devon. But Electoral Calculus agrees with you: 37% Cons, 32% Lab, 31% LibDem.

    I’m in the neighbouring Newton Abbot constituency and under the boundary changes it is a lot more marginal. A quite plausible Lab GAIN. I’d be delighted to see Anne Morris get the boot.
    Clearly a seat that needs a steer on tactical voting.
    I don’t think the outcome of the general election is going to be determined by tactical voting. Tories lose, Labour win. More or less tactical voting may effect the majority, but polling doesn’t suggest that tactics voting is critical.
    The extent of tactical voting is important only for those of us betting on LibDem seat numbers.
    May I inquire why @Truman was banned?

    Asking for a friend

    He was fun and interesting. Sure he was provocative and right wing and possibly pro-Putin (tho quite subtle about it) - I can see why his views might have outraged people, but then @148grss views are outrageous to me, but I don’t want him cancelled, quite the opposite

    However I expect you have a solid moderators’ reason for cancelling him, and if so fair enuff
    I didn't ban him, so I don't know.
    I just want reassurance people aren’t being banned for provocative opinions.
    You must be new here.

    That reassurance doesn't exist. As @RodCrosby , @isam and @MrEd can testify, having provocative opinions is pretty much the only thing that gets you reliably banned. PB operates on pub rules: if it pisses @OGH or his helpers off you get thrown out. If you want to complain that you are being cancelled I understand that the Spectator pays complainants to complain about viscious[1] things on Twitter.

    [1] Yes I know it's "vicious". But Rob Liddle is really oily and oozes dribble, so, y'know...
    I could point out many seem to feel my opinions are provocative yet I am still here
    Provocative but always interesting and that is coming from a LD whom I know you hate.
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