Okay, I've just listened, carefully, to Sunak in full. It was utterly banal and inappropriate to what's going on. He speaks as if the streets are full of corpses murdered by extremist protesters. Yes, it's a bit tense out there, but actually most stuff is still going off pretty peacefully. Normally it's the job of government to defuse such tensions. I reckon Sunak's speech will not do so.
I expect him to announce that the measures he is introducing will start in 2025.
Much of the speech was generic platitude, but there was a section where he started talking about people's views of history etc. that got very anti-woke. Is there a possibility that his new framework will get overly censorious?
Talking about our country being defined by sacrifice was certainly playing on authoritarian right tropes, as was "when they say that Britain has been on the wrong side of history, we should reject it and reject it again", and that it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
Much of the speech was generic platitude, but there was a section where he started talking about people's views of history etc. that got very anti-woke. Is there a possibility that his new framework will get overly censorious?
Talking about our country being defined by sacrifice was certainly playing on authoritarian right tropes, as was "when they say that Britain has been on the wrong side of history, we should reject it and reject it again", and that it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
Don't we only have to reject it again if they say it again?
Much of the speech was generic platitude, but there was a section where he started talking about people's views of history etc. that got very anti-woke. Is there a possibility that his new framework will get overly censorious?
Talking about our country being defined by sacrifice was certainly playing on authoritarian right tropes, as was "when they say that Britain has been on the wrong side of history, we should reject it and reject it again", and that it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
He's trying to integrate the two and promote the idea that we fought WW2 in order to bring about a multicultural society.
Okay, I've just listened, carefully, to Sunak in full. It was utterly banal and inappropriate to what's going on. He speaks as if the streets are full of corpses murdered by extremist protesters. Yes, it's a bit tense out there, but actually most stuff is still going off pretty peacefully. Normally it's the job of government to defuse such tensions. I reckon Sunak's speech will not do so.
I expect him to announce that the measures he is introducing will start in 2025.
The costs of them will by necessity be zero because Hunt won't want those in the Treasury forecasts spoiling his tax cutting budget.
Okay, I've just listened, carefully, to Sunak in full. It was utterly banal and inappropriate to what's going on. He speaks as if the streets are full of corpses murdered by extremist protesters. Yes, it's a bit tense out there, but actually most stuff is still going off pretty peacefully. Normally it's the job of government to defuse such tensions. I reckon Sunak's speech will not do so.
I expect him to announce that the measures he is introducing will start in 2025.
That's exactly the problem - so much of the speech felt as if it was building up to the declaration of martial law, the imposition of a curfew, or the introduction of internment.
Perhaps his robust framework is going to be very robust...
Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 13m Absolute professionalism from @SamCoatesSky on Sky just now in very challenging circumstances - with Galloway angrily berating for having the temerity of asking questions and a growing crowd trying to shout him down.
Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 13m Absolute professionalism from @SamCoatesSky on Sky just now in very challenging circumstances - with Galloway angrily berating for having the temerity of asking questions and a growing crowd trying to shout him down.
... it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
That's entirely true. The Conservative Party has changed into one where whatever one's colour or creed one can succeed merely by working for an investment bank and then marrying the daughter of a billionaire.
Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 22m That could have been worse, I guess. About halfway through I was expecting some really quite draconian anti-protest laws. Instead, it was simply... nothing. A nothing speech by a nothing man, who lacks the vision or conviction to make a meaningful intervention.
lucy siegle @lucysiegle · 24m And also delayed Pointless, ironically.
"There is an actual Palestinian MP in Parliament, who has been very public and vocal about her family members trapped in Gaza, but because she's a Liberal and not an atrocity-denying Assad-worshipper, the Far-Left's Lawrence of Arabia can simply write her out of history."
One further thought. Who, above everybody else, will have gained the most pleasure from seeing Sunak give a 'special' speech to the nation about the threat of extremism? Answer: George Galloway, of course. Sunak's a muppet.
He does know that he has just lit the fire under the protests? "THEY WANT TO BAN US". With Tossface Galloway as the face of the protestors. And Nigel Farage the face of the "WHY WON'T THIS GOVERNMENT STOP THEM" rants.
Tories will be passed by RefUK pretty quickly now.
Have the Tories wargamed this and concluded it shafts Labour?
If this is the case, it might be genius, but it has potentially dangerous ramifications.
Re the discussion earlier about high streets. According to the Estates Gazette, British Land have sold the Royal Victoria Place Shopping Centre in Tunbridge Wells to the local council for £8.1 million. It was supposedly valued at around £4 million. It has apparently lost a total of £100 million having acquired it for around £90 million in 2018.
I know Rochdale reasonably well. Strapline: at least we're not Oldham.
The Northwest is full of struggling post-industrial towns, but there are a handful which are doing ok-ish. Stockport. Bury. Warrington. Preston, at a push. I'd struggle to think of any more.
Doesn't it depress you, all the rubbish towns?
The country is broken. I keep pointing this out. Massive structural issues in the economy which go back decades and transcend the Lab/Con duopoly. The towns are rubbish because we had this stupid idea of bulldozing so much of what made them unique to build ugly anonymous concrete things. With the old jobs gone and no investment in anything.
Rochdale should be one of the places that wins. Beautiful Pennines setting combined with proximity to Manchester and good transport links. Industrial heritage, a proud local (Lancastrian) culture. But instead its got a gutted town centre and congested roads that make it hard to get anywhere, with crumbling relics of factories and victorian warehouses.
The Rochdale Canal is gorgeous.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
On topic - I'm very far from being a supporter of Galloway but it strikes me that targeting different leaflets at different audiences in a seat may not be as novel as some like to pretend. Indeed it might just be good campaigning. Muslim voters were motivated by Gaza and non-Muslims by the A&E (with some cross-over of course). In that way he built a coalition of support strong enough to win. What is new about this? Galloway just did it better in this seat at this time than his opponents. The lesson to the rest has to be that they should up their game. Offer something to the electorate and get your campaign organisation up to speed. Otherwise populists of left and right will thrive. Galloway and Farage are twin cheeks of the same Putin-worshiping arse its just that George is much better at winning Westminster elections.
... it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
That's entirely true. The Conservative Party has changed into one where whatever one's colour or creed one can succeed merely by working for an investment bank and then marrying the daughter of a billionaire.
On topic - I'm very far from being a supporter of Galloway but it strikes me that targeting different leaflets at different audiences in a seat may not be as novel as some like to pretend. Indeed it might just be good campaigning. Muslim voters were motivated by Gaza and non-Muslims by the A&E (with some cross-over of course). In that way he built a coalition of support strong enough to win. What is new about this? Galloway just did it better in this seat at this time than his opponents. The lesson to the rest has to be that they should up their game. Offer something to the electorate and get your campaign organisation up to speed. Otherwise populists of left and right will thrive. Galloway and Farage are twin cheeks of the same Putin-worshiping arse its just that George is much better at winning Westminster elections.
He has more than one string to his bow, unlike Farage. He can do the rabble rouser thing and the Gaza stuff, Farage basically just has 'Don't like the current Tory leadership?'. It's worked well for his causes but makes it hard to win in a seat.
He does know that he has just lit the fire under the protests? "THEY WANT TO BAN US". With Tossface Galloway as the face of the protestors. And Nigel Farage the face of the "WHY WON'T THIS GOVERNMENT STOP THEM" rants.
Tories will be passed by RefUK pretty quickly now.
Have the Tories wargamed this and concluded it shafts Labour?
If this is the case, it might be genius, but it has potentially dangerous ramifications.
This will be the 31st policy in a row from your hero Sunak that you have told us will shaft Labour. Genius is not the word.
The trouble Sunak has, and it's entirely his fault, is that everything he says or does just smacks of tactical political opportunism. It's almost impossible to listen to a speech like this, on a Friday evening, without imagining the CCHQ PR team brainstorming session on how best to milk the Galloway victory for electoral gain.
And he's not very good at it. The SNP managed to act much more earnest and heartfelt as they attempted then failed to skewer Labour on the Gaza vote, enough to convince some people. Whereas Rishi just can't pull it off.
This is the latest in a string of underwhelming PM podium speeches. They've rather devalued the whole thing.
Question is whether it's CCHQ or just No 10 which brainstormed it.
I suppose the point is deeds not words - you get much more credit when doing something that is a political risk and inconvenient to your own side as well as others.
To be fair to Sunak, he was critical of the far right as well as the moronic Hamas fans, but it will be worse than meaningless if we're back to normal service next week and the MPs who sympathise (or pretend to sympathise) with those views, are back to running wild.
While the PSC mob get, in a way, what they want, which is a superficial and useless crack down without challenging their attitudes and why they are so wrong. One that then allows them to play the victim of the evil Tories.
He has his faults, but by doing something that was a risk at the time by booting and then shunning Corbyn and the horrors around him, Starmer gets a lot more credit than he would if he'd simply talked a good game on antisemitism then waffled on about unity (as, to be fair, he tried to do in his early days before realising it was a terrible idea).
He does know that he has just lit the fire under the protests? "THEY WANT TO BAN US". With Tossface Galloway as the face of the protestors. And Nigel Farage the face of the "WHY WON'T THIS GOVERNMENT STOP THEM" rants.
Tories will be passed by RefUK pretty quickly now.
Have the Tories wargamed this and concluded it shafts Labour?
If this is the case, it might be genius, but it has potentially dangerous ramifications.
This will be the 31st policy in a row from your hero Sunak that you have told us will shaft Labour. Genius is not the word.
In commemoration of today’s momentous events I’m having Lancashire hotpot for dinner.
I'm in pub in an armchair in front of a log fire and don't give a hoot about anything.
I have a common Friday night dilemma. My teenage son’s at a friend’s house, so do I remain sober and below the limit so I can pick him up later? Or book him an Uber.
Oh FFS. A "Free Free Palestine" chant at the Galloway HQ in Rochdale.
Watching the way Galloway supporters tried to shout down Sam Coates of Sky demonstrated Sunak's point
Opportunity for the Lib Dems to look like the adults in the room now. If they/we have a soupcon of tactical nous.
Spoiler alert: they don’t.
OTH this from the Graun feed:
'“The British people will take no lessons from a prime minister and Conservative party who have sowed the seeds of division for years,” said Sir Ed Davey. “This is the same prime minister who made Suella Braverman his home secretary and Lee Anderson his party’s deputy chairman.
“If the prime minister is serious about bringing people together, he would call a general election now so that the British public can decide the future of our country.”'
Oh FFS. A "Free Free Palestine" chant at the Galloway HQ in Rochdale.
Watching the way Galloway supporters tried to shout down Sam Coates of Sky demonstrated Sunak's point
Opportunity for the Lib Dems to look like the adults in the room now. If they/we have a soupcon of tactical nous.
Spoiler alert: they don’t.
OTH this from the Graun feed:
'“The British people will take no lessons from a prime minister and Conservative party who have sowed the seeds of division for years,” said Sir Ed Davey. “This is the same prime minister who made Suella Braverman his home secretary and Lee Anderson his party’s deputy chairman.
“If the prime minister is serious about bringing people together, he would call a general election now so that the British public can decide the future of our country.”'
Sure. But nobody is really listening.
Not even obvious the Lib Dems tried in this electorate, which they were never likely to win but could have been used to push a broader message nationally.
"Her passion is Classics. Totally pointless, totally non vocational, but she REALLY likes it. I've told her to go for that. Better to spend three years having intellectual fun, and let the future go hang, there's a 40% chance the computers will turn us all into pets by 2033, anyway"
I have seen enough people who became lawyers or accountants or whatever because they felt they ought to / family pressure / a good career etc but who had no real passion for it and then became burnt out. I did not study law. I have always felt - both about education and work - that you must try and do something that at some level you really love and enjoy. All work can be a pain in the arse at times but so long as you have that spark to keep you going then it's worth it.
My daughter had a passion for classics and loved her degree in it. She is now working in something completely unrelated but her ability to think and critique intelligently is what she learnt and is using and she still enjoys the subject. Our holiday together a few years back as she took me round Pompeii and other classical sites and REALLY told me what you don't get in guidebooks will remain one of my most treasured memories. And hers, I hope.
When the financial crisis was at its height I remember my US boss - a typical hard-nosed lawyer - asking me with incredulity why my daughter was studying the classics. I looked at him and said: "You don't think the study of hubris has anything to teach us, then?" He laughed and didn't reply.
I don't know much - well nothing - about AI. But jobs involving human contact and empathy - precisely what is not valued now and what cannot be replaced by machines - is what, if I had to guess, will still be needed and will be all the more valuable in a world of chatbots / robots and algos.
Days without laughter or passion, preferably both, are days wasted.
In commemoration of today’s momentous events I’m having Lancashire hotpot for dinner.
I'm in pub in an armchair in front of a log fire and don't give a hoot about anything.
I have a common Friday night dilemma. My teenage son’s at a friend’s house, so do I remain sober and below the limit so I can pick him up later? Or book him an Uber.
Been there, done that. They have both left home now so I don't care anymore. Sadly then getting a dog brings commitments but seeing as my wife and dog have gone to our holiday home and I haven't I am in the don't care mode once more.
Anyway, wearing my Legal Feminist hat, I wrote this piece - and yes it is deliberately provocative, as well as accurate. (It is an updated version with additional examples of a Twitter thread and post here yesterday.)
On topic - I'm very far from being a supporter of Galloway but it strikes me that targeting different leaflets at different audiences in a seat may not be as novel as some like to pretend. Indeed it might just be good campaigning. Muslim voters were motivated by Gaza and non-Muslims by the A&E (with some cross-over of course). In that way he built a coalition of support strong enough to win. What is new about this? Galloway just did it better in this seat at this time than his opponents. The lesson to the rest has to be that they should up their game. Offer something to the electorate and get your campaign organisation up to speed. Otherwise populists of left and right will thrive. Galloway and Farage are twin cheeks of the same Putin-worshiping arse its just that George is much better at winning Westminster elections.
I think the point is with Galloway is that he does so in ways that are deliberately dishonest, divisive, and in some cases borderline inciting hatred. Back in 2005 Oona King spoke of how after Galloway ran against her she suddenly found people on doorsteps repeating odd rumours based on the Jewish part of her background that obviously weren't appearing more widely and in English language conversations or materials.
Emphasising different parts of your platform - fine. Running an entirely different campaign in different parts of a constituency designed to incite people against each other, not so much.
It's also worth noting that Galloway is good at it as he's shameless and doesn't have to deal with wider fallout - if Labour or the Tories ran a Gallowayesque campaign these days, they'd rightly be castigated and the reputational damage huge. Phil Woolas did in 2010 and was rightly admonished and booted out of parliament.
However, if all you care about is being a parasite that invades the host constituency for long enough to get you back to prominence, then you can use whatever nastiness you want, safe in the knowledge that any consequences will be too late to stop you getting what you wanted.
I am finding this big kerfuffle over Galloway and Palestine and Rishi dusting down his big podium a bit tedious really. If it's so bad, shut up about it and stop giving Galloway free publicity you little twerp.
Much of the speech was generic platitude, but there was a section where he started talking about people's views of history etc. that got very anti-woke. Is there a possibility that his new framework will get overly censorious?
Talking about our country being defined by sacrifice was certainly playing on authoritarian right tropes, as was "when they say that Britain has been on the wrong side of history, we should reject it and reject it again", and that it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
Is it surprising that someone who went to Winchester thinks the system isn't rigged against them? What a load of shite. The system is rigged against many children.
I know Rochdale reasonably well. Strapline: at least we're not Oldham.
The Northwest is full of struggling post-industrial towns, but there are a handful which are doing ok-ish. Stockport. Bury. Warrington. Preston, at a push. I'd struggle to think of any more.
Doesn't it depress you, all the rubbish towns?
The country is broken. I keep pointing this out. Massive structural issues in the economy which go back decades and transcend the Lab/Con duopoly. The towns are rubbish because we had this stupid idea of bulldozing so much of what made them unique to build ugly anonymous concrete things. With the old jobs gone and no investment in anything.
Rochdale should be one of the places that wins. Beautiful Pennines setting combined with proximity to Manchester and good transport links. Industrial heritage, a proud local (Lancastrian) culture. But instead its got a gutted town centre and congested roads that make it hard to get anywhere, with crumbling relics of factories and victorian warehouses.
The Rochdale Canal is gorgeous.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
It may not be for long.
Canals are now having their public funding salami sliced year by year by Short-Term Rishi.
I was amazed when I found out that the Canal and River Trust gets £200m a year or so, and views its main stakeholders/beneficiaries as 30,000 boaters not the larger public or towpath users.
And they are barriered off to mobility aids ... everywhere. And often kept to "one fat labrador" width for the sake of a weltanschauung that came off a 1970s chocolate box. In 1910 two fat boat-horses could pass each other on most of these.
I know Rochdale reasonably well. Strapline: at least we're not Oldham.
The Northwest is full of struggling post-industrial towns, but there are a handful which are doing ok-ish. Stockport. Bury. Warrington. Preston, at a push. I'd struggle to think of any more.
Doesn't it depress you, all the rubbish towns?
The country is broken. I keep pointing this out. Massive structural issues in the economy which go back decades and transcend the Lab/Con duopoly. The towns are rubbish because we had this stupid idea of bulldozing so much of what made them unique to build ugly anonymous concrete things. With the old jobs gone and no investment in anything.
Rochdale should be one of the places that wins. Beautiful Pennines setting combined with proximity to Manchester and good transport links. Industrial heritage, a proud local (Lancastrian) culture. But instead its got a gutted town centre and congested roads that make it hard to get anywhere, with crumbling relics of factories and victorian warehouses.
The Rochdale Canal is gorgeous.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
It may not be for long.
Canals are now having their public funding salami sliced year by year by Short-Term Rishi.
I was amazed when I found out that the Canal and River Trust gets £200m a year or so, and views its main stakeholders/beneficiaries as 30,000 boaters not the larger public or towpath users.
And they are barriered off to mobility aids ... everywhere. And often kept to "one fat labrador" width for the sake of a weltanschauung that came off a 1970s chocolate box. In 1910 two fat boat-horses could pass each other on most of these.
>As I understand it, most of their funding used to come from selling off land. Perhaps they’ve finally run out.
Well done Rochdale. You paint a dismal picture but I'm sure it's deserved. My only brush with the town was when I was asked to do an LP sleeve for a long forgotten band called MUD.
Their record company had the bright idea of photographing them in front of a satanic mill as the workers came pouring out in flat caps gesticulating and shouting abuse. Sort of Lowryesque with a vintage Rolls in the foreground.....unfortunately the workers didn't come out on bicycles or on foot and they weren't angry so it was back to London empty handed
I know Rochdale reasonably well. Strapline: at least we're not Oldham.
The Northwest is full of struggling post-industrial towns, but there are a handful which are doing ok-ish. Stockport. Bury. Warrington. Preston, at a push. I'd struggle to think of any more.
Doesn't it depress you, all the rubbish towns?
The country is broken. I keep pointing this out. Massive structural issues in the economy which go back decades and transcend the Lab/Con duopoly. The towns are rubbish because we had this stupid idea of bulldozing so much of what made them unique to build ugly anonymous concrete things. With the old jobs gone and no investment in anything.
Rochdale should be one of the places that wins. Beautiful Pennines setting combined with proximity to Manchester and good transport links. Industrial heritage, a proud local (Lancastrian) culture. But instead its got a gutted town centre and congested roads that make it hard to get anywhere, with crumbling relics of factories and victorian warehouses.
The Rochdale Canal is gorgeous.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
It may not be for long.
Canals are now having their public funding salami sliced year by year by Short-Term Rishi.
I was amazed when I found out that the Canal and River Trust gets £200m a year or so, and views its main stakeholders/beneficiaries as 30,000 boaters not the larger public or towpath users.
And they are barriered off to mobility aids ... everywhere. And often kept to "one fat labrador" width for the sake of a weltanschauung that came off a 1970s chocolate box. In 1910 two fat boat-horses could pass each other on most of these.
>As I understand it, most of their funding used to come from selling off land. Perhaps they’ve finally run out.
Same old tories, cutting everything except boomer pensions
I am finding this big kerfuffle over Galloway and Palestine and Rishi dusting down his big podium a bit tedious really. If it's so bad, shut up about it and stop giving Galloway free publicity you little twerp.
I agree, best ignoref. But it's in Sunak's interest to promote Galloway - and hope it costs Labour some support.
I know Rochdale reasonably well. Strapline: at least we're not Oldham.
The Northwest is full of struggling post-industrial towns, but there are a handful which are doing ok-ish. Stockport. Bury. Warrington. Preston, at a push. I'd struggle to think of any more.
Doesn't it depress you, all the rubbish towns?
The country is broken. I keep pointing this out. Massive structural issues in the economy which go back decades and transcend the Lab/Con duopoly. The towns are rubbish because we had this stupid idea of bulldozing so much of what made them unique to build ugly anonymous concrete things. With the old jobs gone and no investment in anything.
Rochdale should be one of the places that wins. Beautiful Pennines setting combined with proximity to Manchester and good transport links. Industrial heritage, a proud local (Lancastrian) culture. But instead its got a gutted town centre and congested roads that make it hard to get anywhere, with crumbling relics of factories and victorian warehouses.
The Rochdale Canal is gorgeous.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
Used to live beside Hollingworth Lake, just outside Rochdale in Littleborough. Really nice place to live, with lovely walks.
I know Rochdale reasonably well. Strapline: at least we're not Oldham.
The Northwest is full of struggling post-industrial towns, but there are a handful which are doing ok-ish. Stockport. Bury. Warrington. Preston, at a push. I'd struggle to think of any more.
Doesn't it depress you, all the rubbish towns?
The country is broken. I keep pointing this out. Massive structural issues in the economy which go back decades and transcend the Lab/Con duopoly. The towns are rubbish because we had this stupid idea of bulldozing so much of what made them unique to build ugly anonymous concrete things. With the old jobs gone and no investment in anything.
Rochdale should be one of the places that wins. Beautiful Pennines setting combined with proximity to Manchester and good transport links. Industrial heritage, a proud local (Lancastrian) culture. But instead its got a gutted town centre and congested roads that make it hard to get anywhere, with crumbling relics of factories and victorian warehouses.
The Rochdale Canal is gorgeous.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
It may not be for long.
Canals are now having their public funding salami sliced year by year by Short-Term Rishi.
I was amazed when I found out that the Canal and River Trust gets £200m a year or so, and views its main stakeholders/beneficiaries as 30,000 boaters not the larger public or towpath users.
And they are barriered off to mobility aids ... everywhere. And often kept to "one fat labrador" width for the sake of a weltanschauung that came off a 1970s chocolate box. In 1910 two fat boat-horses could pass each other on most of these.
>As I understand it, most of their funding used to come from selling off land. Perhaps they’ve finally run out.
>Same old tories, cutting everything except boomer pensions
Nah. Selling off unneeded land next to canals to build flats improves the area, and builds homes.
The more I’ve thought about it, I think Rishi’s apparently trivial “I will save us all from all this nasty division” Sermonette to us could become quite important to the history’s written of this election year.
Much the same way as infamy of John Major’s Back to Basic’s reference in political history, Sunak might just have unleashed a rod of thorns for his and the Conservative Party’s own back.
From now, anything from him or his party, that stokes or exploits division, is going to be mercilessly leapt on as disgusting hypocrisy.
That’s 100% of the counter attack on woke - references to Starmer not knowing what is a woman, the language used about boat crossings and immigration in every single Conservative election leaflet, every article Braverman or any Tory writes for a newspaper and every interview any of them give, cannot now contain anything that allows opponents and media to yell “Go and then Sunak, put action where your mouth is - act!”
Before you dismiss this as nothing this evening, Sunak may just have made one very serious political blunder.
I am finding this big kerfuffle over Galloway and Palestine and Rishi dusting down his big podium a bit tedious really. If it's so bad, shut up about it and stop giving Galloway free publicity you little twerp.
I agree, best ignoref. But it's in Sunak's interest to promote Galloway - and hope it costs Labour some support.
Has that worked, though?
We started the day talking about Starmer's problems, and now Rishi's Strange Speech has superimposed itself on the news agenda.
Has he heard of never interrupting your opponent when things are going badly for them?
In commemoration of today’s momentous events I’m having Lancashire hotpot for dinner.
I'm in pub in an armchair in front of a log fire and don't give a hoot about anything.
I have a common Friday night dilemma. My teenage son’s at a friend’s house, so do I remain sober and below the limit so I can pick him up later? Or book him an Uber.
Been there, done that. They have both left home now so I don't care anymore. Sadly then getting a dog brings commitments but seeing as my wife and dog have gone to our holiday home and I haven't I am in the don't care mode once more.
I'm also Home Alone (wife in Malaysia). Sitting here in the front room having a vape and a bowl of midget gems. It's not a bad life.
In commemoration of today’s momentous events I’m having Lancashire hotpot for dinner.
I'm in pub in an armchair in front of a log fire and don't give a hoot about anything.
I have a common Friday night dilemma. My teenage son’s at a friend’s house, so do I remain sober and below the limit so I can pick him up later? Or book him an Uber.
Been there, done that. They have both left home now so I don't care anymore. Sadly then getting a dog brings commitments but seeing as my wife and dog have gone to our holiday home and I haven't I am in the don't care mode once more.
I'm also Home Alone (wife in Malaysia). Sitting here in the front room having a vape and a bowl of midget gems. It's not a bad life.
Girls night out tonight. Me and the pup on the sofa watching Blazing Saddles. All's right with the world.
The more I’ve thought about it, I think Rishi’s apparently trivial “I will save us all from all this nasty division” Sermonette to us could become quite important to the history’s written of this election year.
Much the same way as infamy of John Major’s Back to Basic’s reference in political history, Sunak might just have unleashed a rod of thorns for his and the Conservative Party’s own back.
From now, anything from him or his party, that stokes or exploits division, is going to be mercilessly leapt on as disgusting hypocrisy.
That’s 100% of the counter attack on woke - references to Starmer not knowing what is a woman, the language used about boat crossings and immigration in every single Conservative election leaflet, every article Braverman or any Tory writes for a newspaper and every interview any of them give, cannot now contain anything that allows opponents and media to yell “Go and then Sunak, put action where your mouth is - act!”
Before you dismiss this as nothing this evening, Sunak may just have made one very serious political blunder.
Rishi is just as much an Islamophobe as his mentor, one Narendra Modi.
I am finding this big kerfuffle over Galloway and Palestine and Rishi dusting down his big podium a bit tedious really. If it's so bad, shut up about it and stop giving Galloway free publicity you little twerp.
I agree, best ignoref. But it's in Sunak's interest to promote Galloway - and hope it costs Labour some support.
Has that worked, though?
We started the day talking about Starmer's problems, and now Rishi's Strange Speech has superimposed itself on the news agenda.
Has he heard of never interrupting your opponent when things are going badly for them?
Exactly right. The best thing for the conservatives over the next few months is to be as invisible as possible. Every time they insert themselves into the story they just remind everyone they exist, and that can only be harmful to them.
Excellent and thoughtful article @RochdalePioneers about a rather bleak subject matter
Sadly for places like Rochdale I cannot see any future apart from more of the same
Nowadays in large urban conurbations the main focus seems to be the nearest big city to the detriment of the towns surrounding it.
The sad reality of places like Rochdale is the likes of labour did nothing for them and neither did the Tories and local politicians just play the blame game. To which we get a vacuum which gets filled.
The more I’ve thought about it, I think Rishi’s apparently trivial “I will save us all from all this nasty division” Sermonette to us could become quite important to the history’s written of this election year.
Much the same way as infamy of John Major’s Back to Basic’s reference in political history, Sunak might just have unleashed a rod of thorns for his and the Conservative Party’s own back.
From now, anything from him or his party, that stokes or exploits division, is going to be mercilessly leapt on as disgusting hypocrisy.
That’s 100% of the counter attack on woke - references to Starmer not knowing what is a woman, the language used about boat crossings and immigration in every single Conservative election leaflet, every article Braverman or any Tory writes for a newspaper and every interview any of them give, cannot now contain anything that allows opponents and media to yell “Go and then Sunak, put action where your mouth is - act!”
Before you dismiss this as nothing this evening, Sunak may just have made one very serious political blunder.
Rishi is just as much an Islamophobe as his mentor, one Narendra Modi.
Not sure if it’s the new YouGov poll giving Labour a 26-point lead, but there’s growing chat at Westminster that next week’s Budget could herald a May election. Crazy? “Beyond May I see only risks,” says one Tory insider. No10 sources insist they are still working to autumn.
Well done Rochdale. You paint a dismal picture but I'm sure it's deserved. My only brush with the town was when I was asked to do an LP sleeve for a long forgotten band called MUD.
Their record company had the bright idea of photographing them in front of a satanic mill as the workers came pouring out in flat caps gesticulating and shouting abuse. Sort of Lowryesque with a vintage Rolls in the foreground.....unfortunately the workers didn't come out on bicycles or on foot and they weren't angry so it was back to London empty handed
Mud - as in Tiger Feet?
The very same. You've got a good memory
Long forgotten. Nope. Still very fondly remembered and Les Gray toured really until he died. Ray Stiles has been Hollies bassist since the eighties. The camp drummer one Co wrote that Kylie Minogue hit from the nineties can’t get you out of my head with, IIRC, Debbie Gibson.
Les Gray and Mud also appeared in a green cross code ad.
Much of the speech was generic platitude, but there was a section where he started talking about people's views of history etc. that got very anti-woke. Is there a possibility that his new framework will get overly censorious?
Talking about our country being defined by sacrifice was certainly playing on authoritarian right tropes, as was "when they say that Britain has been on the wrong side of history, we should reject it and reject it again", and that it's a racist lie to "tell children that the system is rigged against them", etc., etc.
Is it surprising that someone who went to Winchester thinks the system isn't rigged against them? What a load of shite. The system is rigged against many children.
Of course it was rigged against him , he didn't go to Eton.
Sure! Even the suggestion of lots of postals is legal. And with the further inference that certain groups did block postal votes - that is something the Tories left open with their idiotic voter ID only for in-person voting law.
Even if there was a block vote, hoovering up Pakistani and Kashmiri heritage votes, it’s hardly unique to this by-election.
In commemoration of today’s momentous events I’m having Lancashire hotpot for dinner.
I'm in pub in an armchair in front of a log fire and don't give a hoot about anything.
I have a common Friday night dilemma. My teenage son’s at a friend’s house, so do I remain sober and below the limit so I can pick him up later? Or book him an Uber.
Been there, done that. They have both left home now so I don't care anymore. Sadly then getting a dog brings commitments but seeing as my wife and dog have gone to our holiday home and I haven't I am in the don't care mode once more.
I'm also Home Alone (wife in Malaysia). Sitting here in the front room having a vape and a bowl of midget gems. It's not a bad life.
Girls night out tonight. Me and the pup on the sofa watching Blazing Saddles. All's right with the world.
I’m home alone but with daughter. Wife is driving down to our French house with furniture, paint (much cheaper in Britain), light fittings (also much cheaper here), and the actual kitchen sink. Son at friend’s. Daughter on the iPad talking to her cousin.
Not sure if it’s the new YouGov poll giving Labour a 26-point lead, but there’s growing chat at Westminster that next week’s Budget could herald a May election. Crazy? “Beyond May I see only risks,” says one Tory insider. No10 sources insist they are still working to autumn.
I think it’s quite likely. Do it while Gaza is still a big issue and Galloway is spouting off, and there’s the maximum opportunity to stoke division. The very last thing the Tories want the election to be about is bread and butter issues like the economy or public services.
Not sure if it’s the new YouGov poll giving Labour a 26-point lead, but there’s growing chat at Westminster that next week’s Budget could herald a May election. Crazy? “Beyond May I see only risks,” says one Tory insider. No10 sources insist they are still working to autumn.
Not sure if it’s the new YouGov poll giving Labour a 26-point lead, but there’s growing chat at Westminster that next week’s Budget could herald a May election. Crazy? “Beyond May I see only risks,” says one Tory insider. No10 sources insist they are still working to autumn.
I think it’s quite likely. Do it while Gaza is still a big issue and Galloway is spouting off, and there’s the maximum opportunity to stoke division. The very last thing the Tories want the election to be about is bread and butter issues like the economy or public services.
Not sure if it’s the new YouGov poll giving Labour a 26-point lead, but there’s growing chat at Westminster that next week’s Budget could herald a May election. Crazy? “Beyond May I see only risks,” says one Tory insider. No10 sources insist they are still working to autumn.
"Her passion is Classics. Totally pointless, totally non vocational, but she REALLY likes it. I've told her to go for that. Better to spend three years having intellectual fun, and let the future go hang, there's a 40% chance the computers will turn us all into pets by 2033, anyway"
I have seen enough people who became lawyers or accountants or whatever because they felt they ought to / family pressure / a good career etc but who had no real passion for it and then became burnt out. I did not study law. I have always felt - both about education and work - that you must try and do something that at some level you really love and enjoy. All work can be a pain in the arse at times but so long as you have that spark to keep you going then it's worth it.
My daughter had a passion for classics and loved her degree in it. She is now working in something completely unrelated but her ability to think and critique intelligently is what she learnt and is using and she still enjoys the subject. Our holiday together a few years back as she took me round Pompeii and other classical sites and REALLY told me what you don't get in guidebooks will remain one of my most treasured memories. And hers, I hope.
When the financial crisis was at its height I remember my US boss - a typical hard-nosed lawyer - asking me with incredulity why my daughter was studying the classics. I looked at him and said: "You don't think the study of hubris has anything to teach us, then?" He laughed and didn't reply.
I don't know much - well nothing - about AI. But jobs involving human contact and empathy - precisely what is not valued now and what cannot be replaced by machines - is what, if I had to guess, will still be needed and will be all the more valuable in a world of chatbots / robots and algos.
Days without laughter or passion, preferably both, are days wasted.
Very true.
And Pompeii has Low Traffic Neighbourhoods and Modal Filters !
Stone bollards to keep horse drawn carts out of the forum.
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I expect him to announce that the measures he is introducing will start in 2025.
Budget next week
GE called the following week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7kaAimNFzY
Perhaps his robust framework is going to be very robust...
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Absolute professionalism from @SamCoatesSky
on Sky just now in very challenging circumstances - with Galloway angrily berating for having the temerity of asking questions and a growing crowd trying to shout him down.
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That could have been worse, I guess. About halfway through I was expecting some really quite draconian anti-protest laws. Instead, it was simply... nothing. A nothing speech by a nothing man, who lacks the vision or conviction to make a meaningful intervention.
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And also delayed Pointless, ironically.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1763627187461046766
https://x.com/OzKaterji/status/1763630159133863971?s=20
Was he talking about the GOP party then?
Answer: George Galloway, of course.
Sunak's a muppet.
Thank-you, @RochdalePioneers .
If this is the case, it might be genius, but it has potentially dangerous ramifications.
According to the Estates Gazette, British Land have sold the Royal Victoria Place Shopping Centre in Tunbridge Wells to the local council for £8.1 million. It was supposedly valued at around £4 million.
It has apparently lost a total of £100 million having acquired it for around £90 million in 2018.
Apart from the bit through Rochdale. (And Newton Heath, but that goes without saying.)
To be fair to Sunak, he was critical of the far right as well as the moronic Hamas fans, but it will be worse than meaningless if we're back to normal service next week and the MPs who sympathise (or pretend to sympathise) with those views, are back to running wild.
While the PSC mob get, in a way, what they want, which is a superficial and useless crack down without challenging their attitudes and why they are so wrong. One that then allows them to play the victim of the evil Tories.
He has his faults, but by doing something that was a risk at the time by booting and then shunning Corbyn and the horrors around him, Starmer gets a lot more credit than he would if he'd simply talked a good game on antisemitism then waffled on about unity (as, to be fair, he tried to do in his early days before realising it was a terrible idea).
If I understand correctly Sunak warned and condemned extremists like Suella Braverman, George Galloway, and Lee Anderson.
Am I right?
Also Dune Part II, fucking awesome.
'“The British people will take no lessons from a prime minister and Conservative party who have sowed the seeds of division for years,” said Sir Ed Davey. “This is the same prime minister who made Suella Braverman his home secretary and Lee Anderson his party’s deputy chairman.
“If the prime minister is serious about bringing people together, he would call a general election now so that the British public can decide the future of our country.”'
Not even obvious the Lib Dems tried in this electorate, which they were never likely to win but could have been used to push a broader message nationally.
"Her passion is Classics. Totally pointless, totally non vocational, but she REALLY likes it. I've told her to go for that. Better to spend three years having intellectual fun, and let the future go hang, there's a 40% chance the computers will turn us all into pets by 2033, anyway"
I have seen enough people who became lawyers or accountants or whatever because they felt they ought to / family pressure / a good career etc but who had no real passion for it and then became burnt out. I did not study law. I have always felt - both about education and work - that you must try and do something that at some level you really love and enjoy. All work can be a pain in the arse at times but so long as you have that spark to keep you going then it's worth it.
My daughter had a passion for classics and loved her degree in it. She is now working in something completely unrelated but her ability to think and critique intelligently is what she learnt and is using and she still enjoys the subject. Our holiday together a few years back as she took me round Pompeii and other classical sites and REALLY told me what you don't get in guidebooks will remain one of my most treasured memories. And hers, I hope.
When the financial crisis was at its height I remember my US boss - a typical hard-nosed lawyer - asking me with incredulity why my daughter was studying the classics. I looked at him and said: "You don't think the study of hubris has anything to teach us, then?" He laughed and didn't reply.
I don't know much - well nothing - about AI. But jobs involving human contact and empathy - precisely what is not valued now and what cannot be replaced by machines - is what, if I had to guess, will still be needed and will be all the more valuable in a world of chatbots / robots and algos.
Days without laughter or passion, preferably both, are days wasted.
Stay Starmer and Keep on Time Trialling.
Yes, it's him.
Dig the Volvo 240 Estate (I think). Very 1970s Surrey.
https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2024/03/01/what-do-the-following-tell-us/
Emphasising different parts of your platform - fine. Running an entirely different campaign in different parts of a constituency designed to incite people against each other, not so much.
It's also worth noting that Galloway is good at it as he's shameless and doesn't have to deal with wider fallout - if Labour or the Tories ran a Gallowayesque campaign these days, they'd rightly be castigated and the reputational damage huge. Phil Woolas did in 2010 and was rightly admonished and booted out of parliament.
However, if all you care about is being a parasite that invades the host constituency for long enough to get you back to prominence, then you can use whatever nastiness you want, safe in the knowledge that any consequences will be too late to stop you getting what you wanted.
Canals are now having their public funding salami sliced year by year by Short-Term Rishi.
I was amazed when I found out that the Canal and River Trust gets £200m a year or so, and views its main stakeholders/beneficiaries as 30,000 boaters not the larger public or towpath users.
And they are barriered off to mobility aids ... everywhere. And often kept to "one fat labrador" width for the sake of a weltanschauung that came off a 1970s chocolate box. In 1910 two fat boat-horses could pass each other on most of these.
Canals are now having their public funding salami sliced year by year by Short-Term Rishi.
I was amazed when I found out that the Canal and River Trust gets £200m a year or so, and views its main stakeholders/beneficiaries as 30,000 boaters not the larger public or towpath users.
And they are barriered off to mobility aids ... everywhere. And often kept to "one fat labrador" width for the sake of a weltanschauung that came off a 1970s chocolate box. In 1910 two fat boat-horses could pass each other on most of these.
>As I understand it, most of their funding used to come from selling off land. Perhaps they’ve finally run out.
Same old tories, cutting everything except boomer pensions
Nah. Selling off unneeded land next to canals to build flats improves the area, and builds homes.
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Much the same way as infamy of John Major’s Back to Basic’s reference in political history, Sunak might just have unleashed a rod of thorns for his and the Conservative Party’s own back.
From now, anything from him or his party, that stokes or exploits division, is going to be mercilessly leapt on as disgusting hypocrisy.
That’s 100% of the counter attack on woke - references to Starmer not knowing what is a woman, the language used about boat crossings and immigration in every single Conservative election leaflet, every article Braverman or any Tory writes for a newspaper and every interview any of them give, cannot now contain anything that allows opponents and media to yell “Go and then Sunak, put action where your mouth is - act!”
Before you dismiss this as nothing this evening, Sunak may just have made one very serious political blunder.
We started the day talking about Starmer's problems, and now Rishi's Strange Speech has superimposed itself on the news agenda.
Has he heard of never interrupting your opponent when things are going badly for them?
George won fair and square, did he not?
Worked out so well for Ted didn't it?
Sadly for places like Rochdale I cannot see any future apart from more of the same
Nowadays in large urban conurbations the main focus seems to be the nearest big city to the detriment of the towns surrounding it.
The sad reality of places like Rochdale is the likes of labour did nothing for them and neither did the Tories and local politicians just play the blame game. To which we get a vacuum which gets filled.
It’s all very sad.
We should think on why the voters of Rochdale went for him.
Perhaps they have a point worth listening to.
George Parker
@GeorgeWParker
Not sure if it’s the new YouGov poll giving Labour a 26-point lead, but there’s growing chat at Westminster that next week’s Budget could herald a May election. Crazy? “Beyond May I see only risks,” says one Tory insider. No10 sources insist they are still working to autumn.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1763637594976305422
Les Gray and Mud also appeared in a green cross code ad.
Even if there was a block vote, hoovering up Pakistani and Kashmiri heritage votes, it’s hardly unique to this by-election.
And… Sunny wants to spend the summer in Cali.
And Pompeii has Low Traffic Neighbourhoods and Modal Filters !
Stone bollards to keep horse drawn carts out of the forum.