Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
I do find it astonishing that in a week that the Tories could have said nothing and let Labour's racism scandal speak for itself, they've decided to drown it out with their own actions.
Very odd.
It’s obvious what’s going on. Nadine Dorries has explained now “the movement” are controlling the Conservative Party and they want Kemi Badenoch to be next leader. However, when Badenoch was caught possibly lying to Parliament, twice, they swung into action to distract us all. They made Lee Anderson say these things. /s
Still Anderson's own fault though, he shouldn't have fallen for taking those vaccines that allow the blob to control our speech.
The owner of a burger joint in Bradford was left needing stitches after Palestinian supporters attacked him outside his takeaway, FtLion has learned.
Owner of the popular Salah’s on Leeds Road, Salahudin Yusuf, was assaulted by members of a group comprising of 40-50 people, a close friend of the owner has said.
Mirban, who has known Salahudin since he arrived to the UK from abroad, told FtLion how a group of angry protestors gathered outside the shop to demand he boycott Coca-Cola.
Draped in Palestinian flags, Mirban revealed how the mob “were saying on loud speaker last night [that] ‘they sell coke from underneath the counter and we’ve warned them multiple times'”.
Mirban added how members from the rowdy crowd were “threatening them to stop selling certain products, example coke” despite Salah’s having “removed [the product] two months ago”.
Believing them to be “predominantly a Muslim crowd” whom employees at Salah’s did not recognise, he described how these “cowards… sent some women [from the group] forward [and] who started shouting abuse”.
It was at this point that the “men came forward and carried out an attack” like “the cowards that they were”.
He said: “He was defending his business. They’ve approached on to his business and carried out the assault outside the shop,” during which the “owner was hurt and suffered stitches to his lip”.
I do find it astonishing that in a week that the Tories could have said nothing and let Labour's racism scandal speak for itself, they've decided to drown it out with their own actions.
Very odd.
It’s obvious what’s going on. Nadine Dorries has explained now “the movement” are controlling the Conservative Party and they want Kemi Badenoch to be next leader. However, when Badenoch was caught possibly lying to Parliament, twice, they swung into action to distract us all. They made Lee Anderson say these things. /s
Still Anderson's own fault though, he shouldn't have fallen for taking those vaccines that allow the blob to control our speech.
Fortunately Reform UK are promising a review of “vaccine injuries”. Take that, Bill Gates!
"And I have worked in the cabinet under both the Trump presidency as Trade Secretary, and the Biden secretary as for... Bride as for when I was foreign secretary"
Isn't that exactly the sort of word-mangling and weird cadence that causes people to jump up and down about Biden being cognitively impaired?
Why aren't they saying the same thing about Truss?
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
What about Southampton? The town seems to be slowly closing due, while the university was growing rapidly.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
I suspect VCs have known for a good while, they just kept quiet about it except in private conversations.
People might start asking about their pay levels if they knew there was trouble.
"And I have worked in the cabinet under both the Trump presidency as Trade Secretary, and the Biden secretary as for... Bride as for when I was foreign secretary"
Isn't that exactly the sort of word-mangling and weird cadence that causes people to jump up and down about Biden being cognitively impaired?
Why aren't they saying the same thing about Truss?
I have long been of the opinion that Trump is a carrier of a virus that reduces brains to mush.
The list of people who were apparently normal, then met him, then are reduced to gibbering parodies keeps growing.
I mean, look at the Scottish politicians named after fish? Top of the game, the world was theirs. One is now less popular than Boris Johnson and the other is hoping to avoid unfashionable bracelets.
Oliver Dowden clarifies the situation: Lee Anderson is not racist, but the words he spoke were, although similar words are not racist when Suella Braverman uses them. #TrevorPhillips #BBCLauraK
The same defence labour used for Azhar Ali
It’s rotten. Both parties position on this is vile.
It’s time for this crap,to be called out for what it is and neither party excuse their bigots and, quite frankly if neither of them are bigots (and it is perfectly plausible) the weaponising it for electoral advantage is little short of disgusting.
It is a battle as when an MP like Robert Buckland rightly calls it out he’s subjected to all,sorts of vile twitter slurs.
Yep. Meanwhile where we have found ourselves is having to question the boundaries between the right to protest and harassment. I watched the Twix clip of the Labour fundraiser beseiged by pro-Hamas protestors, unwilling to let anyone exist unless they agree with them.
On Wednesday it is reported that the mob outside Westminster demanded the right to lobby their MPs - and think it anti-democratic not to be allowed into the central lobby as a mob.
Parliament passed a motion calling fort an immediate end to the fighting. Which it would seem isn't good enough for the mob. Perhaps its time we start arresting the more in your face ones - those screaming hate at people inside a Costa in Woking as an example for "funding literal genocide"
Time to get the riot act out and if they don't disperse beat the crap out of them. Anyone obstructing the public going about their lawful way should get a good thrashing and jailed. Time we got some real police in this country instead of woke rainbow fan dancers.
The police have all the powers they need. But the Tories have axed the police budgets so hard that there aren't enough cops, or police stations, or capacity through the courts to do anything. They can't confess to gutting law and order so instead we get virtue signalling and new laws they can't enforce to replace the old laws they can't enforce.
The reason why Dodds et al cower from the protestors is that they fear social media. Every Single One of these hate mobs has someone videoing it. Shouting their stupid slogans. If they catch a politician walking they ask utterly stupid questions.
Rayner et al do not respond because they know that if they engage with said hate mobber and respond in kind ("you know that's fucking mental, right?") it will be clipped out of all context.
The solution? Have a staffer also videoing everything they do. Tony Benn infamously recorded every interview he ever gave so that he had evidence if he was quoted out of context. Politicians need to do the same because we know how clickbait scum people like the person running the official Conservative Party TwiX feed can make mischief.
More likely, like so many in authority, the police want a quiet life. All big scandals involve people looking on as the law is broken, looking the other way, or preferring not to make enquiries about things they ought to be enquiring into - whilst drawing their salaries.
Oliver Dowden clarifies the situation: Lee Anderson is not racist, but the words he spoke were, although similar words are not racist when Suella Braverman uses them. #TrevorPhillips #BBCLauraK
The same defence labour used for Azhar Ali
It’s rotten. Both parties position on this is vile.
It’s time for this crap,to be called out for what it is and neither party excuse their bigots and, quite frankly if neither of them are bigots (and it is perfectly plausible) the weaponising it for electoral advantage is little short of disgusting.
It is a battle as when an MP like Robert Buckland rightly calls it out he’s subjected to all,sorts of vile twitter slurs.
Yep. Meanwhile where we have found ourselves is having to question the boundaries between the right to protest and harassment. I watched the Twix clip of the Labour fundraiser beseiged by pro-Hamas protestors, unwilling to let anyone exist unless they agree with them.
On Wednesday it is reported that the mob outside Westminster demanded the right to lobby their MPs - and think it anti-democratic not to be allowed into the central lobby as a mob.
Parliament passed a motion calling fort an immediate end to the fighting. Which it would seem isn't good enough for the mob. Perhaps its time we start arresting the more in your face ones - those screaming hate at people inside a Costa in Woking as an example for "funding literal genocide"
Time to get the riot act out and if they don't disperse beat the crap out of them. Anyone obstructing the public going about their lawful way should get a good thrashing and jailed. Time we got some real police in this country instead of woke rainbow fan dancers.
The police have all the powers they need. But the Tories have axed the police budgets so hard that there aren't enough cops, or police stations, or capacity through the courts to do anything. They can't confess to gutting law and order so instead we get virtue signalling and new laws they can't enforce to replace the old laws they can't enforce.
The reason why Dodds et al cower from the protestors is that they fear social media. Every Single One of these hate mobs has someone videoing it. Shouting their stupid slogans. If they catch a politician walking they ask utterly stupid questions.
Rayner et al do not respond because they know that if they engage with said hate mobber and respond in kind ("you know that's fucking mental, right?") it will be clipped out of all context.
The solution? Have a staffer also videoing everything they do. Tony Benn infamously recorded every interview he ever gave so that he had evidence if he was quoted out of context. Politicians need to do the same because we know how clickbait scum people like the person running the official Conservative Party TwiX feed can make mischief.
More likely, like so many in authority, the police want a quiet life. All big scandals involve people looking on as the law is broken, looking the other way, or preferring not to make enquiries about things they ought to be enquiring into - whilst drawing their salaries.
I have liked, but also need to comment because I so agree with that. If only people put half the work into doing stuff rather than the time they spend finding reasons not to do stuff the world would be a better place and there would be a lot less scandals and injustices.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
I suspect VCs have known for a good while, they just kept quiet about it except in private conversations.
People might start asking about their pay levels if they knew there was trouble.
But for all that VC salaries are stupid and toxic for collegiality, they're not especially relevant to the total costs of a university.
There's also a confidence thing, like the bank run scene in It's A Wonderful Life. If you admit that your institution is in deep financial trouble, savvy students will apply elsewhere and then you really are in trouble.
Interesting question as to why the polls consistently underestimate the Dems and overestimate the Republicans, because it certainly seems that they do. Is there a bias in the sample or in the polling companies themselves, in other words is the polling taken to fit a pre-existing bias from those who commission the work?
In any event it really seems that there is some anecdotal evidence that the Republicans are heading for a thrashing in the Congress even though the polls don´t seem to show this (yet?).
Of course if the House swings so strongly away from the GOP, then that could be very good news for the Democrats down and up the ticket.
There's a couple of theories.
1) There's a bit of an enthusiasm gap for the Dems/Bidens from pure lefties who want a more radical agenda which shows up in the polls but these voters when it comes to voting day will take a flawed Dem candidate over the GOP.
2) Abortion, there's a piece out there when abortion is on the ballot paper it boosts turnout which is bad for the GOP.
2) But we’ve seen the Dems do better than their polling in elections where abortion hasn’t been on the ballot.
I assume it's 1) and 2) not 1) or 2).
Yah.
But Dems aren't consistently outperforming polls. I don't know why people on a betting site would repeat this myth.
In the last presidential cycle 2019-20 Dems underperformed polls by 4.7% overall, and in the previous presidential cycle by 3.0%.
Only in the 2017-18 midterm cycle did Dems outperform polls by 0.5%.
It's true that in recent special elections Dems have often outperformed what you would expect from the polls - for sure a positive sign for the Dems - but it's not enough evidence to say that Dems are likely to outperform polls in November. It seems that in special elections Dems now have a turnout advantage, that might not tell us much about what will happen in November.
Trump is polling better than any Republican presidential candidate since 2004. He leads, strongly, in the five swing States I mentioned earlier, and if he carries those, he carries the Electoral College.
The fact that I think he is a malevolent clown, and most of his party a threat to Western security interests, does not alter the fact that he has a 50/50 chance of winning.
Oliver Dowden clarifies the situation: Lee Anderson is not racist, but the words he spoke were, although similar words are not racist when Suella Braverman uses them. #TrevorPhillips #BBCLauraK
The same defence labour used for Azhar Ali
It’s rotten. Both parties position on this is vile.
It’s time for this crap,to be called out for what it is and neither party excuse their bigots and, quite frankly if neither of them are bigots (and it is perfectly plausible) the weaponising it for electoral advantage is little short of disgusting.
It is a battle as when an MP like Robert Buckland rightly calls it out he’s subjected to all,sorts of vile twitter slurs.
Yep. Meanwhile where we have found ourselves is having to question the boundaries between the right to protest and harassment. I watched the Twix clip of the Labour fundraiser beseiged by pro-Hamas protestors, unwilling to let anyone exist unless they agree with them.
On Wednesday it is reported that the mob outside Westminster demanded the right to lobby their MPs - and think it anti-democratic not to be allowed into the central lobby as a mob.
Parliament passed a motion calling fort an immediate end to the fighting. Which it would seem isn't good enough for the mob. Perhaps its time we start arresting the more in your face ones - those screaming hate at people inside a Costa in Woking as an example for "funding literal genocide"
Time to get the riot act out and if they don't disperse beat the crap out of them. Anyone obstructing the public going about their lawful way should get a good thrashing and jailed. Time we got some real police in this country instead of woke rainbow fan dancers.
The police have all the powers they need. But the Tories have axed the police budgets so hard that there aren't enough cops, or police stations, or capacity through the courts to do anything. They can't confess to gutting law and order so instead we get virtue signalling and new laws they can't enforce to replace the old laws they can't enforce.
The reason why Dodds et al cower from the protestors is that they fear social media. Every Single One of these hate mobs has someone videoing it. Shouting their stupid slogans. If they catch a politician walking they ask utterly stupid questions.
Rayner et al do not respond because they know that if they engage with said hate mobber and respond in kind ("you know that's fucking mental, right?") it will be clipped out of all context.
The solution? Have a staffer also videoing everything they do. Tony Benn infamously recorded every interview he ever gave so that he had evidence if he was quoted out of context. Politicians need to do the same because we know how clickbait scum people like the person running the official Conservative Party TwiX feed can make mischief.
More likely, like so many in authority, the police want a quiet life. All big scandals involve people looking on as the law is broken, looking the other way, or preferring not to make enquiries about things they ought to be enquiring into - whilst drawing their salaries.
I have liked, but also need to comment because I so agree with that. If only people put half the work into doing stuff rather than the time they spend finding reasons not to do stuff the world would be a better place and there would be a lot less scandals and injustices.
Oliver Dowden clarifies the situation: Lee Anderson is not racist, but the words he spoke were, although similar words are not racist when Suella Braverman uses them. #TrevorPhillips #BBCLauraK
The same defence labour used for Azhar Ali
It’s rotten. Both parties position on this is vile.
It’s time for this crap,to be called out for what it is and neither party excuse their bigots and, quite frankly if neither of them are bigots (and it is perfectly plausible) the weaponising it for electoral advantage is little short of disgusting.
It is a battle as when an MP like Robert Buckland rightly calls it out he’s subjected to all,sorts of vile twitter slurs.
Yep. Meanwhile where we have found ourselves is having to question the boundaries between the right to protest and harassment. I watched the Twix clip of the Labour fundraiser beseiged by pro-Hamas protestors, unwilling to let anyone exist unless they agree with them.
On Wednesday it is reported that the mob outside Westminster demanded the right to lobby their MPs - and think it anti-democratic not to be allowed into the central lobby as a mob.
Parliament passed a motion calling fort an immediate end to the fighting. Which it would seem isn't good enough for the mob. Perhaps its time we start arresting the more in your face ones - those screaming hate at people inside a Costa in Woking as an example for "funding literal genocide"
Time to get the riot act out and if they don't disperse beat the crap out of them. Anyone obstructing the public going about their lawful way should get a good thrashing and jailed. Time we got some real police in this country instead of woke rainbow fan dancers.
The police have all the powers they need. But the Tories have axed the police budgets so hard that there aren't enough cops, or police stations, or capacity through the courts to do anything. They can't confess to gutting law and order so instead we get virtue signalling and new laws they can't enforce to replace the old laws they can't enforce.
The reason why Dodds et al cower from the protestors is that they fear social media. Every Single One of these hate mobs has someone videoing it. Shouting their stupid slogans. If they catch a politician walking they ask utterly stupid questions.
Rayner et al do not respond because they know that if they engage with said hate mobber and respond in kind ("you know that's fucking mental, right?") it will be clipped out of all context.
The solution? Have a staffer also videoing everything they do. Tony Benn infamously recorded every interview he ever gave so that he had evidence if he was quoted out of context. Politicians need to do the same because we know how clickbait scum people like the person running the official Conservative Party TwiX feed can make mischief.
More likely, like so many in authority, the police want a quiet life. All big scandals involve people looking on as the law is broken, looking the other way, or preferring not to make enquiries about things they ought to be enquiring into - whilst drawing their salaries.
Rotherham comes to mind. On more than one occasion the police caught people in the act. Literally. But let them go.
I do find it astonishing that in a week that the Tories could have said nothing and let Labour's racism scandal speak for itself, they've decided to drown it out with their own actions.
Very odd.
It’s obvious what’s going on. Nadine Dorries has explained now “the movement” are controlling the Conservative Party and they want Kemi Badenoch to be next leader. However, when Badenoch was caught possibly lying to Parliament, twice, they swung into action to distract us all. They made Lee Anderson say these things. /s
Still Anderson's own fault though, he shouldn't have fallen for taking those vaccines that allow the blob to control our speech.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
Oliver Dowden clarifies the situation: Lee Anderson is not racist, but the words he spoke were, although similar words are not racist when Suella Braverman uses them. #TrevorPhillips #BBCLauraK
The same defence labour used for Azhar Ali
It’s rotten. Both parties position on this is vile.
It’s time for this crap,to be called out for what it is and neither party excuse their bigots and, quite frankly if neither of them are bigots (and it is perfectly plausible) the weaponising it for electoral advantage is little short of disgusting.
It is a battle as when an MP like Robert Buckland rightly calls it out he’s subjected to all,sorts of vile twitter slurs.
Yep. Meanwhile where we have found ourselves is having to question the boundaries between the right to protest and harassment. I watched the Twix clip of the Labour fundraiser beseiged by pro-Hamas protestors, unwilling to let anyone exist unless they agree with them.
On Wednesday it is reported that the mob outside Westminster demanded the right to lobby their MPs - and think it anti-democratic not to be allowed into the central lobby as a mob.
Parliament passed a motion calling fort an immediate end to the fighting. Which it would seem isn't good enough for the mob. Perhaps its time we start arresting the more in your face ones - those screaming hate at people inside a Costa in Woking as an example for "funding literal genocide"
Time to get the riot act out and if they don't disperse beat the crap out of them. Anyone obstructing the public going about their lawful way should get a good thrashing and jailed. Time we got some real police in this country instead of woke rainbow fan dancers.
The police have all the powers they need. But the Tories have axed the police budgets so hard that there aren't enough cops, or police stations, or capacity through the courts to do anything. They can't confess to gutting law and order so instead we get virtue signalling and new laws they can't enforce to replace the old laws they can't enforce.
The reason why Dodds et al cower from the protestors is that they fear social media. Every Single One of these hate mobs has someone videoing it. Shouting their stupid slogans. If they catch a politician walking they ask utterly stupid questions.
Rayner et al do not respond because they know that if they engage with said hate mobber and respond in kind ("you know that's fucking mental, right?") it will be clipped out of all context.
The solution? Have a staffer also videoing everything they do. Tony Benn infamously recorded every interview he ever gave so that he had evidence if he was quoted out of context. Politicians need to do the same because we know how clickbait scum people like the person running the official Conservative Party TwiX feed can make mischief.
More likely, like so many in authority, the police want a quiet life. All big scandals involve people looking on as the law is broken, looking the other way, or preferring not to make enquiries about things they ought to be enquiring into - whilst drawing their salaries.
I have liked, but also need to comment because I so agree with that. If only people put half the work into doing stuff rather than the time they spend finding reasons not to do stuff the world would be a better place and there would be a lot less scandals and injustices.
Local government is, as we know, strapped for cash. It didn't stop my wife, as a professional, standing up to senior managers who just wanted to fire or discipline people, without following proper (or any ) process. And, there are plenty of people like that, in authority, who do actually ensure that law and procedure are followed.
But there are others who don't. It's not about resources, it's about possessing moral courage.
Oliver Dowden clarifies the situation: Lee Anderson is not racist, but the words he spoke were, although similar words are not racist when Suella Braverman uses them. #TrevorPhillips #BBCLauraK
The same defence labour used for Azhar Ali
It’s rotten. Both parties position on this is vile.
It’s time for this crap,to be called out for what it is and neither party excuse their bigots and, quite frankly if neither of them are bigots (and it is perfectly plausible) the weaponising it for electoral advantage is little short of disgusting.
It is a battle as when an MP like Robert Buckland rightly calls it out he’s subjected to all,sorts of vile twitter slurs.
Yep. Meanwhile where we have found ourselves is having to question the boundaries between the right to protest and harassment. I watched the Twix clip of the Labour fundraiser beseiged by pro-Hamas protestors, unwilling to let anyone exist unless they agree with them.
On Wednesday it is reported that the mob outside Westminster demanded the right to lobby their MPs - and think it anti-democratic not to be allowed into the central lobby as a mob.
Parliament passed a motion calling fort an immediate end to the fighting. Which it would seem isn't good enough for the mob. Perhaps its time we start arresting the more in your face ones - those screaming hate at people inside a Costa in Woking as an example for "funding literal genocide"
Time to get the riot act out and if they don't disperse beat the crap out of them. Anyone obstructing the public going about their lawful way should get a good thrashing and jailed. Time we got some real police in this country instead of woke rainbow fan dancers.
The police have all the powers they need. But the Tories have axed the police budgets so hard that there aren't enough cops, or police stations, or capacity through the courts to do anything. They can't confess to gutting law and order so instead we get virtue signalling and new laws they can't enforce to replace the old laws they can't enforce.
The reason why Dodds et al cower from the protestors is that they fear social media. Every Single One of these hate mobs has someone videoing it. Shouting their stupid slogans. If they catch a politician walking they ask utterly stupid questions.
Rayner et al do not respond because they know that if they engage with said hate mobber and respond in kind ("you know that's fucking mental, right?") it will be clipped out of all context.
The solution? Have a staffer also videoing everything they do. Tony Benn infamously recorded every interview he ever gave so that he had evidence if he was quoted out of context. Politicians need to do the same because we know how clickbait scum people like the person running the official Conservative Party TwiX feed can make mischief.
More likely, like so many in authority, the police want a quiet life. All big scandals involve people looking on as the law is broken, looking the other way, or preferring not to make enquiries about things they ought to be enquiring into - whilst drawing their salaries.
I have liked, but also need to comment because I so agree with that. If only people put half the work into doing stuff rather than the time they spend finding reasons not to do stuff the world would be a better place and there would be a lot less scandals and injustices.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
The idea Lee Anderson has been "cancelled" is for the birds. This is where dishonest actors like to use this phrase as today's "political correctness gone mad".
Lee Anderson broadcasted his opinions.
Lee Anderson was held accountable for broadcasting his opinions.
He is free to this day to re-state them, he just isn't employed by the Tory Party anymore to represent them.
It is not about freedom of speech, it is that certain people - mostly right wing people - want freedom from consequences.
It is interesting to see the same people that said Labour was allowing anti-Semitism to fester, no room for interoperation etc saying that Lee had a point. He didn't, he not only said something completely untrue, he has directly put Sadiq Khan's life in danger from nutjobs who would quite happily see him killed. Just look at the Tweets under any of his posts for a starter. Despite all that he's still allowed to speak, I just don't have to listen and neither does anyone else.
Racism, Islamophobia is appalling. Doesn't matter where it comes from.
Unless it’s from labour.
Ironic given the same people who said the Azhar Ali racist outburst was merely confected outrage are, like you, up in arms about Anderson and Braverman.
Which people.
We need a name for posters like you who wibble on darkly about the confected outrage of unnamed others.
The owner of a burger joint in Bradford was left needing stitches after Palestinian supporters attacked him outside his takeaway, FtLion has learned.
Owner of the popular Salah’s on Leeds Road, Salahudin Yusuf, was assaulted by members of a group comprising of 40-50 people, a close friend of the owner has said.
Mirban, who has known Salahudin since he arrived to the UK from abroad, told FtLion how a group of angry protestors gathered outside the shop to demand he boycott Coca-Cola.
Draped in Palestinian flags, Mirban revealed how the mob “were saying on loud speaker last night [that] ‘they sell coke from underneath the counter and we’ve warned them multiple times'”.
Mirban added how members from the rowdy crowd were “threatening them to stop selling certain products, example coke” despite Salah’s having “removed [the product] two months ago”.
Believing them to be “predominantly a Muslim crowd” whom employees at Salah’s did not recognise, he described how these “cowards… sent some women [from the group] forward [and] who started shouting abuse”.
It was at this point that the “men came forward and carried out an attack” like “the cowards that they were”.
He said: “He was defending his business. They’ve approached on to his business and carried out the assault outside the shop,” during which the “owner was hurt and suffered stitches to his lip”.
We need to crack down on the Unitarian Fundementalists, right away.
I do think the best comparison is QAnon. For all those who are legitimately troubled by events in Gaza and wanting to express that, the most visible and active on these protests are now those who want to cause wanton destruction based on conspiracy theories and absurd worldviews that put Gaza at the heart of antisemitic conspiracy theories about 'Zionist control' of a 'genocide' that somehow involves Coca-Cola and Costa Coffee.
It's not normal or acceptable to be abusing people in kebab or coffee shops. It's completely unhinged and should be viewed in the same way the far right's lunatic conspiracism is when they go after people thanks to their twisted beliefs.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
The owner of a burger joint in Bradford was left needing stitches after Palestinian supporters attacked him outside his takeaway, FtLion has learned.
Owner of the popular Salah’s on Leeds Road, Salahudin Yusuf, was assaulted by members of a group comprising of 40-50 people, a close friend of the owner has said.
Mirban, who has known Salahudin since he arrived to the UK from abroad, told FtLion how a group of angry protestors gathered outside the shop to demand he boycott Coca-Cola.
Draped in Palestinian flags, Mirban revealed how the mob “were saying on loud speaker last night [that] ‘they sell coke from underneath the counter and we’ve warned them multiple times'”.
Mirban added how members from the rowdy crowd were “threatening them to stop selling certain products, example coke” despite Salah’s having “removed [the product] two months ago”.
Believing them to be “predominantly a Muslim crowd” whom employees at Salah’s did not recognise, he described how these “cowards… sent some women [from the group] forward [and] who started shouting abuse”.
It was at this point that the “men came forward and carried out an attack” like “the cowards that they were”.
He said: “He was defending his business. They’ve approached on to his business and carried out the assault outside the shop,” during which the “owner was hurt and suffered stitches to his lip”.
We need to crack down on the Unitarian Fundementalists, right away.
I do think the best comparison is QAnon. For all those who are legitimately troubled by events in Gaza and wanting to express that, the most visible and active on these protests are now those who want to cause wanton destruction based on conspiracy theories and absurd worldviews that put Gaza at the heart of antisemitic conspiracy theories about 'Zionist control' of a 'genocide' that somehow involves Coca-Cola and Costa Coffee.
It's not normal or acceptable to be abusing people in kebab or coffee shops. It's completely unhinged and should be viewed in the same way the far right's lunatic conspiracism is when they go after people thanks to their twisted beliefs.
Global conspiracies always come down to fast food outlets in the end, whether its pizzerias or kebab shops. We need more slow food restaurants to restore balance to the force.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
Some? A lot are because jobs that you could previously do straight after A levels now insist on a degree because hey they can.
I will emphasis the same thing I’ve said here for years to anyone with teenagers.
Degree apprenticeships (especially civil service ones) trump going to uni. And depending on your interests and where you live may allow you to see a lot of the university experience without the cost.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
If you look at the Lee Anderson case, no one has asked him to elaborate on his remarks or provide evidence for them. Instead there is outrage and the insistence that he must be cancelled immediately and any delay or hesitation in doing so implicates and condemns those doing the delaying.
It is quite a good example of why the 'far right' are getting more and more popular - the left don't like to engage with their opponents, they try instead to get them and their ideas removed them from the discourse - so then over time this enormous monster starts building up.
This can be observed even when the remarks themselves are incredibly stupid and can be easily rebuked. To people who believe this stuff, the reaction from the left just affirms their worldview.
Who is cancelling him? He has a show on GBeebies. The Tories have said that he can't remain a Tory MP as he said awful things with the crime of not being Braverman, that isn't the same as him being cancelled.
An absurd argument to make. I remember some moron on the anti-Iraq war march back in the day shouting "this is a fascist police state" - yeah mate, they let people protest march all the time in fascist police states. Same moronic argument here. "I have been cancelled, I can't say what I and millions of people think" says the presenter of "Lee Anderson's Real World" live every Friday from 7pm.
I think you are missing my point. The 'reaction' is the insistence that Anderson must be cancelled. But actually, the fact that the cancellation is unsuccessful is evidence that the left are losing their grip on politics and culture, and are at odds with popular opinion. The most interesting thing about all of this is that Farage saw it all coming. 8 years ago he was saying that you either work with me or you get something far worse next time around. Now you get politicians coming on to the scene, who lack the intelligence and sophistication of Farage, making evidence free, from the gut appeals which appeal to an aggrieved politicised minority.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Lets change it all up.
Lifelong continuous very part time education for all rather than concentrated so intensely at full time 18 to early twenties for half the population.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
Back in my day a state higher education was funded by central government through local authorities.
It seems remarkable that those suggesting higher education is unaffordable, is available to too many and should be rationed make damn sure their children go to a Russell Group establishment.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
For most people, their position on Maslov's hierarchy means that their best move is to get a job that pays lots. If the degree doesn't lead to such a job, they are f***ed. I do take your point (genuinely) but it does come down to that. ☹️
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
I hate to bang on (no I don’t) but this is even more true in the light of AI
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
Some? A lot are because jobs that you could previously do straight after A levels now insist on a degree because hey they can.
I will emphasis the same thing I’ve said here for years to anyone with teenagers.
Degree apprenticeships (especially civil service ones) trump going to uni. And depending on your interests and where you live may allow you to see a lot of the university experience without the cost.
Yes - do the apprenticeship and save £90k, and avoid the lifetime loan shark interest rates which effectively create a 9% lifetime additional tax rate.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them. Dults As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
I hate to bang on (no I don’t) but this is even more true in the light of AI
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
We have between ten and fifteen million old people who will die over the next fifteen years and we don't know how to take care of them. We have about 8 million young adults 15-24 and we don't know how to educate them. The former Prime Minister,who wears a BDSM token around her neck is convinced that President Trump, the man who formalised the retreat from US hegemony and repositioning to the Pacific, will save the West. We are led by literal idiots who do not know how to run a country.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
It depends what you mean by elite and from your 2nd para you mean the wealthy and if that is the case, as it was in the past, I will agree with you 100% that is very undesirable. However if the elite means those best able to benefit from any specific education then that is desirable. Education should be tailored to the needs and abilities of those using it. Currently it appears we are trying to give a Russell group education to everyone. I think one of the reasons for this is we devalue other types of education which is just if not more valuable. I am a klutz at any practical and really wish I weren't.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Like my Politics degree?
There, you've demonstrated my "bring back elitism argument" for me. If Johnny Peasant is cool with a 9% surcharge on his salary, cool!
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
The notion of mickey mouse degrees is entirely correct, but should also include classics and English literature.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
Oxbridge has great research, but it is a money making machine. I am in a leading London business school have been to several conferences there. Always more expensive and less well executed than elsewhere in my mind. It feels like brand equity. And the reason people like bj go there to study classics is: network. You will be hooked into a community of financial clout. It isn't just about models, theories and case studies alas.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
The notion of mickey mouse degrees is entirely correct, but should also include classics and English literature.
PPE seems like a Micky Mouse Degree. The entire government is full of them.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
The notion of mickey mouse degrees is entirely correct, but should also include classics and English literature.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
The thing is that most of the really brilliant people I know are interested to some extent in the classics. Can you be a fully rounded thinking person without considering the basis of human civilisations?
Of course there are those who abuse this, er Boris, who want to read the bluffers guide to being an intellectual.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
At my Grammar School we had an "A" stream for the high flyers and a "B" stream for the "less able students". So everyone at Secondary Modern and half of the Grammar School were tossed asunder.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
Back in my day a state higher education was funded by central government through local authorities.
It seems remarkable that those suggesting higher education is unaffordable, is available to too many and should be rationed make damn sure their children go to a Russell Group establishment.
It was, but that was affordable only because so few went on to higher education. Even Attlee’s government would have baulked at paying for 40% to to university.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
And that is being done to young people who often know very little about the world or what they could achieve in it.
Its certainly possible that the money spent on education in the 18-21 years could be better spent at a later time in their lives.
The new Starmer biography looks fascinating. I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
Back in my day a state higher education was funded by central government through local authorities.
It seems remarkable that those suggesting higher education is unaffordable, is available to too many and should be rationed make damn sure their children go to a Russell Group establishment.
It was, but that was affordable only because so few went on to higher education. Even Attlee’s government would have baulked at paying for 40% to to university.
The new Starmer biography looks fascinating. I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
Some? A lot are because jobs that you could previously do straight after A levels now insist on a degree because hey they can.
I will emphasis the same thing I’ve said here for years to anyone with teenagers.
Degree apprenticeships (especially civil service ones) trump going to uni. And depending on your interests and where you live may allow you to see a lot of the university experience without the cost.
Yes - do the apprenticeship and save £90k, and avoid the lifetime loan shark interest rates which effectively create a 9% lifetime additional tax rate.
The interest rates inherited, but increased and maintained, by a Conservative government, though.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
Or the relentless waves of humourless lefty droids on modern PB, the midwit lawyers and accountants and retired IT twats, have driven him away
The new Starmer biography looks fascinating. I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
“The new Starmer biography looks fascinating.”
lol
Obviously it pales against your own oeuvre, but one can’t subsist only on a diet of foie gras.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
At my Grammar School we had an "A" stream for the high flyers and a "B" stream for the "less able students". So everyone at Secondary Modern and half of the Grammar School were tossed asunder.
My last word on Grammar Schools today.
So you're against streaming too? That's how modern comprehensives work.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
I lied, not my last word.
Everyone knows that in a Grammar School Systems the Comprehensives are a new name for Secondary Moderns.
How about all Comps are funded to be as well resourced as Grammar Schools?
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
The notion of mickey mouse degrees is entirely correct, but should also include classics and English literature.
In the future, all degrees with be Mickey Mouse degrees. Doing a degree will be “learning to add up sums faster than a calculator”
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
HYUFD is one of the finest posters here. Hear hear
The new Starmer biography looks fascinating. I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
He used to get the school bus with Andrew Sullivan. They argued about the merits of Thatcherism versus Eurocommunism*. Being S's they were sat next to each in their grammar school.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
At my Grammar School we had an "A" stream for the high flyers and a "B" stream for the "less able students". So everyone at Secondary Modern and half of the Grammar School were tossed asunder.
My last word on Grammar Schools today.
So you're against streaming too? That's how modern comprehensives work.
No, I am very much in favour of subject streaming.
The A and B stream I noted were across subjects, You could be Albert Einstein in Physics and Maths, but if English, Geography and History brought your average down you were in the CSE group for Maths and discouraged from doing Physics.
Being appointed to the vital role of chief referee is supposed to be the greatest honour and heaviest responsibility that MPs can confer on one of their colleagues. Yet the last person to leave in good standing was Betty Boothroyd…
If you tuned into the Commons…you will have seen speaker Hoyle making a highly contentious ruling that helped Labour out of a jam, but at the high cost to the chair of igniting howling fury from SNP MPs, their anger not entirely synthetic. Conservative MPs, in an opportunistic alliance of convenience with the nationalists, joined the uproar, with the main aim of making Labour look bad.
To compound the nauseating phoniness of this affair, there is actually a good deal of cross-party consensus about Gaza. The Conservatives, Labour and the SNP…agree that the conflict needs to be brought to an end. All want the hostages released. All believe that an Israeli ground assault on Rafah will be horrific. All support the negotiation of a two-state solution as the long-term route to peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians. A grownup Commons could coalesce around a unified position that may have a sliver of impact on events - if the parties were motivated by wanting to make a contribution to resolving this conflict rather than engaging in grubby gamesmanship in the pursuit of electoral advantage.
The speaker’s chances of survival may also be improved by the calculation of ministers that the best way for them to exploit this affair is to depict Sir Lindsay not as the villain, but as the victim of Labour machinations that put him in an impossible position. The worry for him is that his apologies have not appeased those who are out to get him.
If he is forced out, that will be the third speakership in a row that has ended badly. MPs would then have to ask what that says about themselves and the way they do their business. Which was squalidly over Gaza.
The new Starmer biography looks fascinating. I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
“The new Starmer biography looks fascinating.”
lol
Have you read it? I always took you for someone who tries things before they express an opinion on it
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
Or the relentless waves of humourless lefty droids on modern PB, the midwit lawyers and accountants and retired IT twats, have driven him away
Maybe he can’t be arsed engaging with literally thousands of AI posts.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
It doesn't sound like you are talking about Grammar schools then. But why split people apart at 11. What is wrong with setting and streaming? By the nature of splitting you restrict the curriculum to what each group excels at and kids form friendship groups etc that you then split if you move them. Moving schools is a big thing for a child. My experiences were from the dark ages and I know this wouldn't exist now but I didn't have the opportunity to do languages or English literature, but I had to do woodwork, metalwork, gardening etc which I was useless at. Give all kids the chance to do everything. Find out what they are good at and let them excel in that.
What is the point of splitting them apart? Set and stream.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
I lied, not my last word.
Everyone knows that in a Grammar School Systems the Comprehensives are a new name for Secondary Moderns.
How about all Comps are funded to be as well resourced as Grammar Schools?
I'd be happy to give the comps better funding than the grammar schools.
Being appointed to the vital role of chief referee is supposed to be the greatest honour and heaviest responsibility that MPs can confer on one of their colleagues. Yet the last person to leave in good standing was Betty Boothroyd…
If you tuned into the Commons…you will have seen speaker Hoyle making a highly contentious ruling that helped Labour out of a jam, but at the high cost to the chair of igniting howling fury from SNP MPs, their anger not entirely synthetic. Conservative MPs, in an opportunistic alliance of convenience with the nationalists, joined the uproar, with the main aim of making Labour look bad.
To compound the nauseating phoniness of this affair, there is actually a good deal of cross-party consensus about Gaza. The Conservatives, Labour and the SNP…agree that the conflict needs to be brought to an end. All want the hostages released. All believe that an Israeli ground assault on Rafah will be horrific. All support the negotiation of a two-state solution as the long-term route to peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians. A grownup Commons could coalesce around a unified position that may have a sliver of impact on events - if the parties were motivated by wanting to make a contribution to resolving this conflict rather than engaging in grubby gamesmanship in the pursuit of electoral advantage.
The speaker’s chances of survival may also be improved by the calculation of ministers that the best way for them to exploit this affair is to depict Sir Lindsay not as the villain, but as the victim of Labour machinations that put him in an impossible position. The worry for him is that his apologies have not appeased those who are out to get him.
If he is forced out, that will be the third speakership in a row that has ended badly. MPs would then have to ask what that says about themselves and the way they do their business. Which was squalidly over Gaza.
Lost in the entire thing is that the entire political system in the UK essentially backed a ceasefire. There is rarely so much unity on these issues. Such is the amount the Israelis have cocked up.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
He’s a perfectly polite and valuable poster. I have no idea why he receives the opprobrium he does on here. Also, he is realistic about his party’s prospects. He’s not a ramper by any means.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
Or the relentless waves of humourless lefty droids on modern PB, the midwit lawyers and accountants and retired IT twats, have driven him away
Maybe he can’t be arsed engaging with literally thousands of AI posts.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
I lied, not my last word.
Everyone knows that in a Grammar School Systems the Comprehensives are a new name for Secondary Moderns.
How about all Comps are funded to be as well resourced as Grammar Schools?
I'd be happy to give the comps better funding than the grammar schools.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
Or the relentless waves of humourless lefty droids on modern PB, the midwit lawyers and accountants and retired IT twats, have driven him away
Maybe he can’t be arsed engaging with literally thousands of AI posts.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
The sane approach, if you want “Grammar Schools”, is streaming by subject in all schools. With which stream you are in on a term by term basis.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
The thing is that most of the really brilliant people I know are interested to some extent in the classics. Can you be a fully rounded thinking person without considering the basis of human civilisations
I am a fully rounded thinking person. I also have a mouthful of ruined teeth. Knowing the origin of "they made a desert and called it peace" or a knowledge of the local politics in Western Canada during the 80/90s is great for my lifetime game of Obscure References, but does not pay the dentist bills. Rich, thin and good looking is much underrated, an omission I will cheerfully correct should I achieve any of them. ☹️
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
It doesn't sound like you are talking about Grammar schools then. But why split people apart at 11. What is wrong with setting and streaming? By the nature of splitting you restrict the curriculum to what each group excels at and kids form friendship groups etc that you then split if you move them. Moving schools is a big thing for a child. My experiences were from the dark ages and I know this wouldn't exist now but I didn't have the opportunity to do languages or English literature, but I had to do woodwork, metalwork, gardening etc which I was useless at. Give all kids the chance to do everything. Find out what they are good at and let them excel in that.
What is the point of splitting them apart? Set and stream.
I should have been more precise about 'sitting the same exams'. I meant in the core subjects of Maths, English, etc, so it wouldn't be like in the secondary modern days when people were denied the chance to sit O Levels at all, but you could still have different curriculums and different expectations depending on the type of school.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
I hate to bang on (no I don’t) but this is even more true in the light of AI
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
If and when AI stop hallucinating I will believe you. Until that day all I see is well written bullshit...
The new Starmer biography looks fascinating. I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
“The new Starmer biography looks fascinating.”
lol
If we tell you it was written by ChatGPT, would you take a look then?
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
Before retiring Mrs S was Professor of Goofy Studies at Mickey Mouse University and her generous final salary pension is a significant part of our household income. It would be rather inconvenient if young people were to stop borrowing cash at 8% in order to top up the Universities Superannuation Scheme. Have they no sense of social responsibility?
This notion of Mickey Mouse degrees really pisses me off. I read Politics at Cardiff in the 1980s, it is neither use nor f*****' ornament, but I wouldn't change those three years for all the tea in China. Scrawny Peasant isn't allowed to read Football Studies at Worcester, but Boris Johnson would still be able to read Classics at Oxford. Football Studies probably generates a more appropriate skill set for the real world than does Classics. The cost issue is a compelling, but bollocks argument.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
Arguably Britain has a shortage of practical engineering types, and not bookish nerds. So perhaps the first step would be to establish some prestigious technical colleges, and then run some exacting aptitude tests for entry into the technical colleges, with the clumsy sods who fail those tests left to the scrapheap of academic learning leading to A-levels, etc.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
He’s a perfectly polite and valuable poster. I have no idea why he receives the opprobrium he does on here. Also, he is realistic about his party’s prospects. He’s not a ramper by any means.
He used to be, and his regular posts used to exhibit an inability (or obstinate refusal) to engage with rational argument that was up there with Leon’s. But you’re right that the increasingly desperate plight of his party does seem to have led him toward some sort of reality checkpoint of late. Perhaps he is chastened by the prospect of two or three terms of fruitless opposition, by which time he’ll be too old to run credibly for anything (other than US president).
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
Bollocks. I am one of them, dumped in the Secondary school system. I was lucky to escape and get to the grammar school to do my A levels and then a maths degree in early 70s at one of the best Unis, but I saw so many thrown on the scrap heap who by the time they were 15 were more academic than the grammar school kids. I was fast streamed in the grammar school when I got there in the 6th form (Taking A levels after 1 year) but was in a stream expected to leave with no qualifications when I took my 11 plus.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
Because you don't have to bring back secondary moderns in order to have grammar schools and you don't need a rigid 11-plus system. Grammar schools could exist alongside comprehenisves with everyone having the opportunity to sit the same exams.
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
I lied, not my last word.
Everyone knows that in a Grammar School Systems the Comprehensives are a new name for Secondary Moderns.
How about all Comps are funded to be as well resourced as Grammar Schools?
Funding is less of an issue than it was, though there's a decent case to be made that academically able pupils need less funding to achieve.
The trouble with the "Grammar plus Comprehensive" theory is that, once you have a meaningful number of grammar schools, the remaining schools stop being comprehensive by definition.
The non-grammar schools in Kent aren't very good, because it's hard to make such schools function well.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
I hate to bang on (no I don’t) but this is even more true in the light of AI
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
If and when AI stop hallucinating I will believe you. Until that day all I see is well written bullshit...
I can’t understand the interest/fear in “AIs” that generates bullshit with semi-random racism outbursts, for flint knappers.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
Thank you for your and others comments, only comment I would make on grammars is parents should be at least allowed to petition to ballot to open new ones as well as close existing ones as now. Let parents decide what schools they want in their area
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
I hate to bang on (no I don’t) but this is even more true in the light of AI
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
If and when AI stop hallucinating I will believe you. Until that day all I see is well written bullshit...
It is odd in and of itself that they are called hallucinations rather than what they actually are: errors.
Being appointed to the vital role of chief referee is supposed to be the greatest honour and heaviest responsibility that MPs can confer on one of their colleagues. Yet the last person to leave in good standing was Betty Boothroyd…
If you tuned into the Commons…you will have seen speaker Hoyle making a highly contentious ruling that helped Labour out of a jam, but at the high cost to the chair of igniting howling fury from SNP MPs, their anger not entirely synthetic. Conservative MPs, in an opportunistic alliance of convenience with the nationalists, joined the uproar, with the main aim of making Labour look bad.
To compound the nauseating phoniness of this affair, there is actually a good deal of cross-party consensus about Gaza. The Conservatives, Labour and the SNP…agree that the conflict needs to be brought to an end. All want the hostages released. All believe that an Israeli ground assault on Rafah will be horrific. All support the negotiation of a two-state solution as the long-term route to peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians. A grownup Commons could coalesce around a unified position that may have a sliver of impact on events - if the parties were motivated by wanting to make a contribution to resolving this conflict rather than engaging in grubby gamesmanship in the pursuit of electoral advantage.
The speaker’s chances of survival may also be improved by the calculation of ministers that the best way for them to exploit this affair is to depict Sir Lindsay not as the villain, but as the victim of Labour machinations that put him in an impossible position. The worry for him is that his apologies have not appeased those who are out to get him.
If he is forced out, that will be the third speakership in a row that has ended badly. MPs would then have to ask what that says about themselves and the way they do their business. Which was squalidly over Gaza.
Lost in the entire thing is that the entire political system in the UK essentially backed a ceasefire. There is rarely so much unity on these issues. Such is the amount the Israelis have cocked up.
But if you are the SNP, or a disciple of Galloway or an opportunist right winger, where's the fun in that?
In any sensible discussion forum, getting consensus out of people who started out not agreeing would be a thing to celebrate.
The owner of a burger joint in Bradford was left needing stitches after Palestinian supporters attacked him outside his takeaway, FtLion has learned.
Owner of the popular Salah’s on Leeds Road, Salahudin Yusuf, was assaulted by members of a group comprising of 40-50 people, a close friend of the owner has said.
Mirban, who has known Salahudin since he arrived to the UK from abroad, told FtLion how a group of angry protestors gathered outside the shop to demand he boycott Coca-Cola.
Draped in Palestinian flags, Mirban revealed how the mob “were saying on loud speaker last night [that] ‘they sell coke from underneath the counter and we’ve warned them multiple times'”.
Mirban added how members from the rowdy crowd were “threatening them to stop selling certain products, example coke” despite Salah’s having “removed [the product] two months ago”.
Believing them to be “predominantly a Muslim crowd” whom employees at Salah’s did not recognise, he described how these “cowards… sent some women [from the group] forward [and] who started shouting abuse”.
It was at this point that the “men came forward and carried out an attack” like “the cowards that they were”.
He said: “He was defending his business. They’ve approached on to his business and carried out the assault outside the shop,” during which the “owner was hurt and suffered stitches to his lip”.
We need to crack down on the Unitarian Fundementalists, right away.
I do think the best comparison is QAnon. For all those who are legitimately troubled by events in Gaza and wanting to express that, the most visible and active on these protests are now those who want to cause wanton destruction based on conspiracy theories and absurd worldviews that put Gaza at the heart of antisemitic conspiracy theories about 'Zionist control' of a 'genocide' that somehow involves Coca-Cola and Costa Coffee.
It's not normal or acceptable to be abusing people in kebab or coffee shops. It's completely unhinged and should be viewed in the same way the far right's lunatic conspiracism is when they go after people thanks to their twisted beliefs.
There may be another factor, which is extremists establishing control of "their" community. It is Muslims and not Jews who have most to fear from Islamists Against Coca-Cola.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
A big problem is that some young people are being sold snake oil. They get into debt, in order to get a degree, that leads to some ill-paid, dead-end job.
I hate to bang on (no I don’t) but this is even more true in the light of AI
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
If and when AI stop hallucinating I will believe you. Until that day all I see is well written bullshit...
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
HYUFD is one of the finest posters here. Hear hear
I note that HYUFD has 'liked' this post. I'm not sure that's good form.
Another mess Starmer and co will have to clear up: higher education.
David Maguire is vice-chancellor at the University of East Anglia:
"All the vice-chancellors I talk to (and it is quite a few) are nervous and some are forecasting real challenges in avoiding breaches of banking covenants and making payroll."
"In England, fees for domestic students have been capped at £9,250 since 2017 and are now worth only around £6,000 in 2012-13 prices. This means that funding per student is at its lowest level in more than 25 years."
That’s been obvious for the last 2/3 years and I’ve been talking about it on here for most of that time. The fact the vice- chancellors are only screaming now is because it’s only now finally started to dawn on them.
As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
And it has a knock-on effect through the economy as the proportion of 18-21yos who moved to "education and training" from "unemployment" (in the 1990s) go back to "unemployment" (in the 2030s) if the university places aren't there any more.
True but at least they won’t have been sold a dream / pack of lies and won’t be £50,000+ in debt losing 9% of their income every month
Surely returning Higher Education to the elite 5% again suits the elite 5% running the current Government.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
What’s your definition of a top education - the education (available at low cost online from a lot of places nowadays) or the certificate at the end of it.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
I believe the experience, the networking opportunities as well as the certificate are worth considering. I like the idea of degree apprenticeships, what I don't like are the tick box trade NVQs that those on the right want to foist on the hoi-poloi instead of a university experience.
Bring back grammar schools, restrict university degress to genuine academic subjects, and let the state fully fund it for domestic students.
Bring back grammar schools and bugger any late developer or someone who excels in some subjects and sucks in others.
People like that often benefit from the motivation of having a point to prove.
We have turned down the cul-de-sac of Grammar Schools and HYUFD is nowhere to be seen. How come?
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
HYUFD posts a lot less than he used to. The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
He does. @HYUFD has also changed his style considerably in my view. I used to get into big rows with him. That hasn't happened now for many, many years now and we have very pleasant debates and I like a lot of his posts. I decided to deliberately avoid getting into confrontations with him, but actually I think the greater reason it doesn't happen now is down to him. His style has mellowed considerably and consequently he is not baited into making more extreme posts by other PB members any more. He is a pleasure to debate with. I might avoid discussing grammar schools with him though just in case.
Thank you for your and others comments, only comment I would make on grammars is parents should be at least allowed to petition to ballot to open new ones as well as close existing ones as now. Let parents decide what schools they want in their area
What the entire education system could do with is less talk of parental rights and more of children's rights. From my experience, most parents are entirely ignorant of how education works.
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As for whether a single failure will trigger a domino effect - I expect that will be the case. No one wants to be first but after the first university goes and it becomes obvious what to look for a lot will follow very, very quickly
How a town like Lancaster picks up the pieces will be interesting to watch.
#RooftopKoreans
Isn't that exactly the sort of word-mangling and weird cadence that causes people to jump up and down about Biden being cognitively impaired?
Why aren't they saying the same thing about Truss?
People might start asking about their pay levels if they knew there was trouble.
The list of people who were apparently normal, then met him, then are reduced to gibbering parodies keeps growing.
I mean, look at the Scottish politicians named after fish? Top of the game, the world was theirs. One is now less popular than Boris Johnson and the other is hoping to avoid unfashionable bracelets.
There's also a confidence thing, like the bank run scene in It's A Wonderful Life. If you admit that your institution is in deep financial trouble, savvy students will apply elsewhere and then you really are in trouble.
Trump is polling better than any Republican presidential candidate since 2004. He leads, strongly, in the five swing States I mentioned earlier, and if he carries those, he carries the Electoral College.
The fact that I think he is a malevolent clown, and most of his party a threat to Western security interests, does not alter the fact that he has a 50/50 chance of winning.
But there are others who don't. It's not about resources, it's about possessing moral courage.
We need a name for posters like you who wibble on darkly about the confected outrage of unnamed others.
It's not normal or acceptable to be abusing people in kebab or coffee shops. It's completely unhinged and should be viewed in the same way the far right's lunatic conspiracism is when they go after people thanks to their twisted beliefs.
I will emphasis the same thing I’ve said here for years to anyone with teenagers.
Degree apprenticeships (especially civil service ones) trump going to uni. And depending on your interests and where you live may allow you to see a lot of the university experience without the cost.
Of all the disappointing themes we have seen over the last 15 years the notion that only the wealthy are entitled to a top education is profoundly depressing, and it seems about to come in through the back door.
The 'reaction' is the insistence that Anderson must be cancelled. But actually, the fact that the cancellation is unsuccessful is evidence that the left are losing their grip on politics and culture, and are at odds with popular opinion.
The most interesting thing about all of this is that Farage saw it all coming. 8 years ago he was saying that you either work with me or you get something far worse next time around.
Now you get politicians coming on to the scene, who lack the intelligence and sophistication of Farage, making evidence free, from the gut appeals which appeal to an aggrieved politicised minority.
It’s that certificate that is expensive
Lifelong continuous very part time education for all rather than concentrated so intensely at full time 18 to early twenties for half the population.
It seems remarkable that those suggesting higher education is unaffordable, is available to too many and should be rationed make damn sure their children go to a Russell Group establishment.
Millions of young people are doing degrees - and paying big money for the privilege. And these degrees will soon be perfectly useless, the jobs will be done better by a machine charging pennies
There, you've demonstrated my "bring back elitism argument" for me. If Johnny Peasant is cool with a 9% surcharge on his salary, cool!
I've got the bins to do for tomorrow's collection.
Nobody who wants the grammar schools back ever says 'Bring back the secondary moderns' do they?
The juice is not worth the squeeze for even the most partisan of Tories.
Of course there are those who abuse this, er Boris, who want to read the bluffers guide to being an intellectual.
My last word on Grammar Schools today.
Its certainly possible that the money spent on education in the 18-21 years could be better spent at a later time in their lives.
I was struck by this paragraph in the Rawnsley review:
The household bills were not always paid, the telephone was cut off and the family home became increasingly shabby. Katy remembers her brother kicking a football through the back window. “We never fixed the glass because that cost money. Dad just boarded it up.”
lol
Germany manages to have separation between different types of schools without people being 'thrown on the scrap heap'.
Everyone knows that in a Grammar School Systems the Comprehensives are a new name for Secondary Moderns.
How about all Comps are funded to be as well resourced as Grammar Schools?
It is surely an example of the insanely partisan media in the US that this self evident truth is not more widely recognised.
*According to Sullivan.
The A and B stream I noted were across subjects, You could be Albert Einstein in Physics and Maths, but if English, Geography and History brought your average down you were in the CSE group for Maths and discouraged from doing Physics.
Being appointed to the vital role of chief referee is supposed to be the greatest honour and heaviest responsibility that MPs can confer on one of their colleagues. Yet the last person to leave in good standing was Betty Boothroyd…
If you tuned into the Commons…you will have seen speaker Hoyle making a highly contentious ruling that helped Labour out of a jam, but at the high cost to the chair of igniting howling fury from SNP MPs, their anger not entirely synthetic. Conservative MPs, in an opportunistic alliance of convenience with the nationalists, joined the uproar, with the main aim of making Labour look bad.
To compound the nauseating phoniness of this affair, there is actually a good deal of cross-party consensus about Gaza. The Conservatives, Labour and the SNP…agree that the conflict needs to be brought to an end. All want the hostages released. All believe that an Israeli ground assault on Rafah will be horrific. All support the negotiation of a two-state solution as the long-term route to peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians. A grownup Commons could coalesce around a unified position that may have a sliver of impact on events - if the parties were motivated by wanting to make a contribution to resolving this conflict rather than engaging in grubby gamesmanship in the pursuit of electoral advantage.
The speaker’s chances of survival may also be improved by the calculation of ministers that the best way for them to exploit this affair is to depict Sir Lindsay not as the villain, but as the victim of Labour machinations that put him in an impossible position. The worry for him is that his apologies have not appeased those who are out to get him.
If he is forced out, that will be the third speakership in a row that has ended badly. MPs would then have to ask what that says about themselves and the way they do their business. Which was squalidly over Gaza.
What is the point of splitting them apart? Set and stream.
Like Britain itself, this board feels enervated and exhausted.
Its done well on a number of things - job creation especially - and Biden has been right to place more emphasis on wealth creation.
But it still has other problems - debt, inequality, housing unaffordability in many areas.
As for the media, this is from CNBC only three weeks ago:
Why getting a job feels impossible right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHaDrM8EgYg
I'm doubtful as to its premise but I suspect there's a lot of people who think they are underachieving and being economically 'oppressed'.
The trouble with the "Grammar plus Comprehensive" theory is that, once you have a meaningful number of grammar schools, the remaining schools stop being comprehensive by definition.
The non-grammar schools in Kent aren't very good, because it's hard to make such schools function well.
No, wait….
In any sensible discussion forum, getting consensus out of people who started out not agreeing would be a thing to celebrate.
From my experience, most parents are entirely ignorant of how education works.