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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    I may have to solace myself with gin in Brassac Lane

    Hard to say without knowing your friend or for that matter you, but initial analysis using Bayes' theorem isn't super promising.
    lol
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited February 17
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    That's not what I said; but it is interesting that you take it that way.

    So a question: how do you *know* he's telling the truth about his service, given so many people lie about such things?
    Oh yes, and also because he's modestly famous, his Territorial SAS career is a matter of record, he's written an entire book about it

    https://www.hurstpublishers.com/event/high-risk-a-true-story-of-the-sas-drugs-and-other-bad-behaviour-w-ben-timberlake/

    here he is being interviewed by the Times newspaper about the book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drugs-sex-sas-missions-the-extraordinary-life-of-ben-timberlake-5th789ll7

    And here he is on Times Radio recounting that exact Croat bar story. I actually spoke to him yesterday, he was best man at my wedding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FeVwPaE8A


    Apart from that, I have no reason to believe him
    Yes, but why should we believe you? ;)

    Was this the flint-knapper who got married, the writer, or some other mysterious entity?
    You are all such plonkers
    Statistically it is far more likely that you’re the plonker, misjudging every one of us, than the converse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    The civil case judgement will hurt Trump financially but whether he is convicted in his criminal charges will probably have the biggest impact on whether he is damaged politically, especially with independents
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    That's not what I said; but it is interesting that you take it that way.

    So a question: how do you *know* he's telling the truth about his service, given so many people lie about such things?
    Oh yes, and also because he's modestly famous, his Territorial SAS career is a matter of record, he's written an entire book about it

    https://www.hurstpublishers.com/event/high-risk-a-true-story-of-the-sas-drugs-and-other-bad-behaviour-w-ben-timberlake/

    here he is being interviewed by the Times newspaper about the book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drugs-sex-sas-missions-the-extraordinary-life-of-ben-timberlake-5th789ll7

    And here he is on Times Radio recounting that exact Croat bar story. I actually spoke to him yesterday, he was best man at my wedding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FeVwPaE8A


    Apart from that, I have no reason to believe him
    Yes, but why should we believe you? ;)

    Was this the flint-knapper who got married, the writer, or some other mysterious entity?
    You are all such plonkers
    Statistically it is fat more likely that you’re the plonker, misjudging every one of us, than the converse.
    There's probably enough plonk for us all to have a share.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone else ever been mugged?

    I was robbed but not mugged and it was in the mildest possible way - it was by a prostitute in Prague (no, I wasn't looking for her or inviting an encouter) who came over to me to 'ask me a question' and then shook me in a "do you want to jiggy jiggy?" manner by putting her leg between my legs.

    I was so pissed I did nothing except say, "no thanks", and gently disentangle myself, and I didn't even notice my wallet was gone until I got back to the hostel.
    You should have started talking about vegan restaurants, that would have sent her away instantly.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    That's not what I said; but it is interesting that you take it that way.

    So a question: how do you *know* he's telling the truth about his service, given so many people lie about such things?
    Oh yes, and also because he's modestly famous, his Territorial SAS career is a matter of record, he's written an entire book about it

    https://www.hurstpublishers.com/event/high-risk-a-true-story-of-the-sas-drugs-and-other-bad-behaviour-w-ben-timberlake/

    here he is being interviewed by the Times newspaper about the book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drugs-sex-sas-missions-the-extraordinary-life-of-ben-timberlake-5th789ll7

    And here he is on Times Radio recounting that exact Croat bar story. I actually spoke to him yesterday, he was best man at my wedding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FeVwPaE8A


    Apart from that, I have no reason to believe him
    Yes, but why should we believe you? ;)

    Was this the flint-knapper who got married, the writer, or some other mysterious entity?
    You are all such plonkers
    Statistically it is fat more likely that you’re the plonker, misjudging every one of us, than the converse.
    There's probably enough plonk for us all to have a share.
    It’s always 17:30 somewhere, and right now that’s my time zone. Cheers!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited February 17

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    That's not what I said; but it is interesting that you take it that way.

    So a question: how do you *know* he's telling the truth about his service, given so many people lie about such things?
    Oh yes, and also because he's modestly famous, his Territorial SAS career is a matter of record, he's written an entire book about it

    https://www.hurstpublishers.com/event/high-risk-a-true-story-of-the-sas-drugs-and-other-bad-behaviour-w-ben-timberlake/

    here he is being interviewed by the Times newspaper about the book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drugs-sex-sas-missions-the-extraordinary-life-of-ben-timberlake-5th789ll7

    And here he is on Times Radio recounting that exact Croat bar story. I actually spoke to him yesterday, he was best man at my wedding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FeVwPaE8A


    Apart from that, I have no reason to believe him
    Yes, but why should we believe you? ;)

    Was this the flint-knapper who got married, the writer, or some other mysterious entity?
    You are all such plonkers
    Statistically it is fat more likely that you’re the plonker, misjudging every one of us, than the converse.
    There's probably enough plonk for us all to have a share.
    No, I’m a periodic fuckwit

    Plonkeriness is a different thing entirely. A mix of gaucherie, naffness, geekosity and neurodivergent desire to never admit wrongness

    A lot of it on PB
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited February 17
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    This is actually something the UK can be proud of. We have some of the safest roads in the world. The chances of your British kid getting squashed by an idiot in a SUV tomorrow are lower than in almost any other nation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    But be bloody careful in Africa. And Thailand

    You're trying to use a general stat to justify a particular interpretation, which doesn't work in basic logic. Unless you have some data to support the particular interpretation,

    Specific data on SUVs in Europe is not that common yet; here is one example from a Belgian study showing the danger imposed on vulnerable road users by larger, heavier, more powerful vehicles - which is your "child-being-run-down-by-an-SUV" example. In the UK the crucible is the school run.

    https://etsc.eu/suvs-and-pickups-make-the-roads-less-safe-for-car-occupants-pedestrians-and-cyclists-belgian-study/

    Making a road safety comparison Europe vs USA is making a 1st world vs 3rd comparison.

    SUVs in the USA, in the Light Trucks category, have much poorer safety regulations than even cars there, and massively poorer than anything in Europe. Things like bumpers not being all at the same height to ensure that crumple zones become active in collisions. It lets the manufacturers pump out dangerous vehicles more cheaply for gullible Usonians to swallow; imo that's a problem of a Third World road culture in the USA.

    Consider that the Tesla Cybertruck is not coming to Europe since it can't meet even basic safety standards without a redesign from frame level.
    Who are you arguing with? Not me, I don’t think

    I’m saying UK roads are much safer than US roads - which they are. And one reason US roads are dangerous, especially for pedestrians, is the prevalence of SUVs. Which is also undisputed
    UK roads are not just safer than US roads.

    image
    That Malta stat must be due to the low speeds in play. The driving is atrocious.
    The Malta one is interesting.

    They have high car ownership, and a high density of vehicles per km of road network.

    They also drive on the left, and have high drink-drive limits like the UK that make drink-driving legal for many.

    I would say also due to low distances driven because the main island is only 17 miles long.

    A good example of context being needed for stats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    And it is going DOWN

    One of the lowest in the world. It cannot stand. Irish GDP is $500bn. Not trivial. Two percent of that - ten times what they spend now - would be $10bn. Quite useful for NATO right now. Britain spends $60bn

    Enough of their Celtic freeloading
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    And it is going DOWN

    One of the lowest in the world. It cannot stand. Irish GDP is $500bn. Not trivial. Two percent of that - ten times what they spend now - would be $10bn. Quite useful for NATO right now. Britain spends $60bn

    Enough of their Celtic freeloading
    Modern Ireland has become something of a parasite nation. They live off other peoples tax income and contribute little to the West's general well being. At one point I thought Trump might try to reclaim lost tax revenues from the big tech cos using Ireland as a tax dodge but he didnt. Biden wont because he's away with the Leprechauns. Oddly the best chance is Macron as the french detest what Ireland is doing.

    It would be amusing if it was Macron as Varadkar decided to join La Francophonie rather than the Commonwealth.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,694
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:


    The behaviour of his lawyers doesn’t help him though, with a bombastic and aloof attitude to the court that no judge likes.

    This is something I really don't understand. Trump isn't even paying his own legal bills but he still seems to employ the worst fucking lawyers in the US. Why doesn't he get somebody good?
    Because he is notorious for not paying his lawyers, or other contractors for that matter.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    "...X should provide a military shield for Y for the common good even though it's a financial loss..."

    Explain, using both sides of the paper, why this statement is different for [X=US/Y=Ukraine] and [X=UK/Y=Ireland], and justify your answer.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,189
    viewcode said:

    "...X should provide a military shield for Y for the common good even though it's a financial loss..."

    Explain, using both sides of the paper, why this statement is different for [X=US/Y=Ukraine] and [X=UK/Y=Ireland], and justify your answer.

    Because is Ukraine probably devoting more than 2% of GDP to defence spending?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    Because, you ignorant twat, they are completely dependent on the collective security of the EU and NATO - which, inter alia, guards the sea lanes via which apple (European hq: Ireland) ships its products. Ireland survives and thrives on corporate tax paid by massive companies which desperately need the USA and the UK and others to defend their safe trade routes

    Enough. Time for Ireland to cough up, if they want to continue benefiting so hugely from our communal defence
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,224
    edited February 17
    Dura_Ace said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone else ever been mugged?

    Gunpoint in Vladivostok. He was a big unit and probably bratva so I handed over the decoy wallet.

    Knifepoint in Vitebsk. Took the knife off the skinny junkie and punched him repeatedly in the face.

    When I was a teenager our car got stopped by machete wielding randoms in Nigeria who relieved my father of all his money and watch while my mother subjected them to a torrent of obscenities that I never heard surpassed in my 20 year naval career. My father gave them a shrug of apology for her outburst and the chief machete wielder gave my father a look that I think was a gesture of sympathy.
    Late to this convo but I’ve (well my friend) has a good one.

    We were cycling through Bolivia and having some R&R in La Paz.

    Off to the cinema to watch dubbed Davinci Code (yes I know, but there was nothing else on), he forgot his wallet. Hopped in a taxi back to the hostel to pick it up and the taxi driver mugged him.

    By the time the driver and his mates worked out my friend genuinely had no wallet on him, they were high up in the hills surrounding the city centre. Not really somewhere you want to find yourself.

    The amusing part of the story was that my friend was producing liquid from all orifices at the time so, whilst he didn’t have a wallet he did have a roll of toilet roll in his pocket. His description of the glee morphing into disappointment as the muggers found a suspiciously wallet-shaped bulge in his jacket, only to pull out a roll of toilet paper, still makes me laugh.

    Though it may have been the diarrhoea that saved him. By all accounts the stink in the taxi became intolerable and so they choked him until he passed out then dumped him out of the taxi. Luckily a more honest taxi driver saw this, picked him up and returned him to the hostel for a badly needed poo and some refreshments.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited February 17
    maxh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone else ever been mugged?

    Gunpoint in Vladivostok. He was a big unit and probably bratva so I handed over the decoy wallet.

    Knifepoint in Vitebsk. Took the knife off the skinny junkie and punched him repeatedly in the face.

    When I was a teenager our car got stopped by machete wielding randoms in Nigeria who relieved my father of all his money and watch while my mother subjected them to a torrent of obscenities that I never heard surpassed in my 20 year naval career. My father gave them a shrug of apology for her outburst and the chief machete wielder gave my father a look that I think was a gesture of sympathy.
    Late to this convo but I’ve (well my friend) has a good one.

    We were cycling through Bolivia and having some R&R in La Paz.

    Off to the cinema to watch dubbed Davinci Code (yes I know, but there was nothing else on), he forgot his wallet. Hopped in a taxi back to the hostel to pick it up and the taxi driver mugged him.

    By the time the driver and his mates worked out my friend genuinely had no wallet on him, they were high up in the hills surrounding the city centre. Not really somewhere you want to find yourself.

    The amusing part of the story was that my friend was producing liquid from all orifices at the time so, whilst he didn’t have a wallet he did have a roll of toilet roll in his pocket. His description of the glee morphing into disappointment as the muggers found a suspiciously wallet-shaped bulge in his jacket, only to pull out a roll of toilet paper, still makes me laugh.

    Though it may have been the diarrhoea that saved him. By all accounts the stink in the taxi became intolerable and so they choked him until he passed out then dumped him out of the taxi. Luckily a more honest taxi driver saw this, picked him up and returned him to the hostel for a badly needed poo and some refreshments.
    Good story

    The hills on the outskirts of La Paz are freaky. It’s where the drug gangsters live and they build insane houses. I took some photos of a few. Here’s one. It is genuinely a home. They are locally known as ‘chalets’


  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone else ever been mugged?

    I was robbed but not mugged and it was in the mildest possible way - it was by a prostitute in Prague (no, I wasn't looking for her or inviting an encouter) who came over to me to 'ask me a question' and then shook me in a "do you want to jiggy jiggy?" manner by putting her leg between my legs.

    I was so pissed I did nothing except say, "no thanks", and gently disentangle myself, and I didn't even notice my wallet was gone until I got back to the hostel.
    You should have accepted jiggy-jiggy

    It's a lesson in life. Always accept jiggy-jiggy. And boom-boom
    She was 3/10 and about 45 years old.

    As I young twenty-something at the time I was convinced I could do better- and for free.
    It is important for a sporting gentleman to be able to demonstrate 'cock range' in order to receive the salutations of his peers.

    As a pink cheeked Sub Lt I was peer pressured in to tackling a garlic reeking Sudanese midget with teeth like Shergar in Alexandria. I would have rather fucked the actual Shergar, even if dead, but I got the job done.

    When duty calls, you answer.
    This is why I never joined the Royal Navy.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,062
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    That's not what I said; but it is interesting that you take it that way.

    So a question: how do you *know* he's telling the truth about his service, given so many people lie about such things?
    Oh yes, and also because he's modestly famous, his Territorial SAS career is a matter of record, he's written an entire book about it

    https://www.hurstpublishers.com/event/high-risk-a-true-story-of-the-sas-drugs-and-other-bad-behaviour-w-ben-timberlake/

    here he is being interviewed by the Times newspaper about the book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drugs-sex-sas-missions-the-extraordinary-life-of-ben-timberlake-5th789ll7

    And here he is on Times Radio recounting that exact Croat bar story. I actually spoke to him yesterday, he was best man at my wedding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FeVwPaE8A


    Apart from that, I have no reason to believe him
    Yes, but why should we believe you? ;)

    Was this the flint-knapper who got married, the writer, or some other mysterious entity?
    You are all such plonkers
    It's a good story.
    And you're strangely easy to wind up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone else ever been mugged?

    I was robbed but not mugged and it was in the mildest possible way - it was by a prostitute in Prague (no, I wasn't looking for her or inviting an encouter) who came over to me to 'ask me a question' and then shook me in a "do you want to jiggy jiggy?" manner by putting her leg between my legs.

    I was so pissed I did nothing except say, "no thanks", and gently disentangle myself, and I didn't even notice my wallet was gone until I got back to the hostel.
    You should have started talking about vegan restaurants, that would have sent her away instantly.
    This was back in 2002, before anyone knew what that shit even was.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So you all think my friend is lying. Tsk

    That's not what I said; but it is interesting that you take it that way.

    So a question: how do you *know* he's telling the truth about his service, given so many people lie about such things?
    Oh yes, and also because he's modestly famous, his Territorial SAS career is a matter of record, he's written an entire book about it

    https://www.hurstpublishers.com/event/high-risk-a-true-story-of-the-sas-drugs-and-other-bad-behaviour-w-ben-timberlake/

    here he is being interviewed by the Times newspaper about the book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drugs-sex-sas-missions-the-extraordinary-life-of-ben-timberlake-5th789ll7

    And here he is on Times Radio recounting that exact Croat bar story. I actually spoke to him yesterday, he was best man at my wedding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70FeVwPaE8A


    Apart from that, I have no reason to believe him
    Yes, but why should we believe you? ;)

    Was this the flint-knapper who got married, the writer, or some other mysterious entity?
    You are all such plonkers
    It's a good story.
    And you're strangely easy to wind up.
    Or, I fake being wound up and pretend to get angry to generate stimulating debate because I HATE BEING BORED

    Few things genuinely wind me up, these days. International rugby is one

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,558
    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Didn't the Russians threaten the UK with a 'Tsunami bomb' that would explode in the Atlantic and send a massive tidal wave over Britain? Except it wiped out Ireland first...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,062
    Let me say very briefly about Avdiivka: no matter what kind of hero you are, it is impossible to fight against air bombs with machine guns.
    And I would like to wish a happy holiday to the House of Representatives

    https://twitter.com/AseyevStanislav/status/1758850008109953398
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited February 17
    ...
    maxh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone else ever been mugged?

    Gunpoint in Vladivostok. He was a big unit and probably bratva so I handed over the decoy wallet.

    Knifepoint in Vitebsk. Took the knife off the skinny junkie and punched him repeatedly in the face.

    When I was a teenager our car got stopped by machete wielding randoms in Nigeria who relieved my father of all his money and watch while my mother subjected them to a torrent of obscenities that I never heard surpassed in my 20 year naval career. My father gave them a shrug of apology for her outburst and the chief machete wielder gave my father a look that I think was a gesture of sympathy.
    Late to this convo but I’ve (well my friend) has a good one.

    We were cycling through Bolivia and having some R&R in La Paz.

    Off to the cinema to watch dubbed Davinci Code (yes I know, but there was nothing else on), he forgot his wallet. Hopped in a taxi back to the hostel to pick it up and the taxi driver mugged him.

    By the time the driver and his mates worked out my friend genuinely had no wallet on him, they were high up in the hills surrounding the city centre. Not really somewhere you want to find yourself.

    The amusing part of the story was that my friend was producing liquid from all orifices at the time so, whilst he didn’t have a wallet he did have a roll of toilet roll in his pocket. His description of the glee morphing into disappointment as the muggers found a suspiciously wallet-shaped bulge in his jacket, only to pull out a roll of toilet paper, still makes me laugh.

    Though it may have been the diarrhoea that saved him. By all accounts the stink in the taxi became intolerable and so they choked him until he passed out then dumped him out of the taxi. Luckily a more honest taxi driver saw this, picked him up and returned him to the hostel for a badly needed poo and some refreshments.
    Taxi drivers are b*******. Back in 1988 I took a pre ordered taxi, a black 1968 Toyota Corona, from the Nairobi Club to the Lilian Towers hotel in Central Nairobi. The driver midway through the journey decided he didn't know his way, despite the hotel being one of the most notable at the time. He said he was going to stop and ask a dodgy looking f***** for directions. As he slowed down I slid across the rear vinyl seat leaned forward and grabbed the b****** by the throat ( no head restraints back in a 1968 car) and told him to drive me to my hotel. I held him round the neck until we arrived at my hotel. I paid the correct fare in Naira and retired to my room.

    Touch wood, I have never been mugged to date.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    What are you complaining about? You mean, you've never heard of creative accounting?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,062
    The GB news take.
    Nobody knows what happened to #Navalny. He could have had a heart attack for all we know. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    So do you find it bizarre that every political leader came out immediately to accuse #Putin of murder? (those bloody conspiracy theorists...)

    https://twitter.com/beverleyturner/status/1758586644557336970
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    The creative types want their own space, and quite like the idea that you have to crawl around and shake the right hands to get in.

    But at the end of the day it’s a business, and they need people with money through the door.

    Is the Frontline Club still going?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Didn't the Russians threaten the UK with a 'Tsunami bomb' that would explode in the Atlantic and send a massive tidal wave over Britain? Except it wiped out Ireland first...
    Of course the UK could then send nuclear missiles from its submarines on Moscow and St Petersburg and other major Russian cities so still not a good idea
  • Nigelb said:

    The GB news take.
    Nobody knows what happened to #Navalny. He could have had a heart attack for all we know. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    So do you find it bizarre that every political leader came out immediately to accuse #Putin of murder? (those bloody conspiracy theorists...)

    https://twitter.com/beverleyturner/status/1758586644557336970

    Question - if Putin has nothing to hide why isn't Navalny's body being released to his family?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    Nigelb said:

    The GB news take.
    Nobody knows what happened to #Navalny. He could have had a heart attack for all we know. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    So do you find it bizarre that every political leader came out immediately to accuse #Putin of murder? (those bloody conspiracy theorists...)

    https://twitter.com/beverleyturner/status/1758586644557336970

    I am v. late to the Tucker Carlson interview debate, but I finally caught a few clips.

    He looks bloody terrified the whole way through. Utterly intimidated by Putin.

    I think Carlson's main concern was getting out alive in one piece.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    It was the way in which the MPs were shocked that the Irish might not do what the UK wanted automatically. And some expected, personally, to get Irish citizenship just like that when the Irish were told to provide it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    CNN claiming the NYC Trump case will play well for Trump, it is too obviously politicised
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    It was the way in which the MPs were shocked that the Irish might not do what the UK wanted automatically. And some expected, personally, to get Irish citizenship just like that when the Irish were told to provide it.
    Drivel. Whiny Tory MPs is a given. Varadkar had to set the tone for Ireland and has called it badly wrong imo. He;s a careerist who cares little for the country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    The creative types want their own space, and quite like the idea that you have to crawl around and shake the right hands to get in.

    But at the end of the day it’s a business, and they need people with money through the door.

    Is the Frontline Club still going?
    I believe so

    I am happy to say that the Groucho remains firm and will not allow in accountants, lawyers and business types, thank Fuck
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sure, they're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    edited February 17

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    It was the way in which the MPs were shocked that the Irish might not do what the UK wanted automatically. And some expected, personally, to get Irish citizenship just like that when the Irish were told to provide it.
    Drivel. Whiny Tory MPs is a given. Varadkar had to set the tone for Ireland and has called it badly wrong imo. He;s a careerist who cares little for the country.
    Drivel yourself. It was a very telling example at the time of how much of England/Britain is stuck in the past. Even if you don't like it and dismiss it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Nigelb said:

    The GB news take.
    Nobody knows what happened to #Navalny. He could have had a heart attack for all we know. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    So do you find it bizarre that every political leader came out immediately to accuse #Putin of murder? (those bloody conspiracy theorists...)

    https://twitter.com/beverleyturner/status/1758586644557336970

    I am v. late to the Tucker Carlson interview debate, but I finally caught a few clips.

    He looks bloody terrified the whole way through. Utterly intimidated by Putin.

    I think Carlson's main concern was getting out alive in one piece.
    Tucker was not obliged to go to Moscow. He could have interviewed Putin via Teams from NYC.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sure, they're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
    They arent even a minor power.Two of my acquaintances are in the Irish Navy. Their main duties include showing the flag (tourism ) the last trip was a nice week in London and sending the band to social functions

    As for airforces if you cant attack a ship off your coast, then you cant defend it.

    The defence budget is just a joke.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,678
    Leon said:

    CNN claiming the NYC Trump case will play well for Trump, it is too obviously politicised

    Does anything ever happen with Trump that someone in the media doesn't predict 'will play well for Trump'?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Tres said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:


    The behaviour of his lawyers doesn’t help him though, with a bombastic and aloof attitude to the court that no judge likes.

    This is something I really don't understand. Trump isn't even paying his own legal bills but he still seems to employ the worst fucking lawyers in the US. Why doesn't he get somebody good?
    Because he is notorious for not paying his lawyers, or other contractors for that matter.
    Debts allegedly owed to him by Trump for a lot of legal work are listed as a potential asset in Giuliani's bankruptcy filing.

    It's all quite like a shoal of Humboldt Squid, eating each other.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    edited February 17
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    The creative types want their own space, and quite like the idea that you have to crawl around and shake the right hands to get in.

    But at the end of the day it’s a business, and they need people with money through the door.

    Is the Frontline Club still going?
    I believe so

    I am happy to say that the Groucho remains firm and will not allow in accountants, lawyers and business types, thank Fuck
    Never been to the Groucho, but I know the Frontline as I worked on the fitout there for the IT supplier, back in 2005 or so when they opened. The boss (Vaughan Smith?) was a thoroughly nice bloke with a lot of good stories.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    HYUFD said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Didn't the Russians threaten the UK with a 'Tsunami bomb' that would explode in the Atlantic and send a massive tidal wave over Britain? Except it wiped out Ireland first...
    Of course the UK could then send nuclear missiles from its submarines on Moscow and St Petersburg and other major Russian cities so still not a good idea
    Isn't that the .. er .. TRUMP card.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    It was the way in which the MPs were shocked that the Irish might not do what the UK wanted automatically. And some expected, personally, to get Irish citizenship just like that when the Irish were told to provide it.
    Drivel. Whiny Tory MPs is a given. Varadkar had to set the tone for Ireland and has called it badly wrong imo. He;s a careerist who cares little for the country.
    Drivel yourself. It was a very telling example at the time of how much of England/Britain is stuck in the past. Even if you don't like it and dismiss it.
    Nothing telling about it you really do like to drivel on about the English. Try travel.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    Ulster was overwhelmingly Protestant, well-armed, and prepared to fight - hard

    The only alternative to Partition was a FAR more brutal irish Civil War which Eire might easily have lost, as the might of the British Empire was brought to bear, supporting the loyal Prods

    In the end this should surely be co-sovereignty, it is the only long term solution. Britain AND Ireland share Norn, its glories and its heavy problems. But the Irish are still atavistically determined to reunite in quite a belligerent way, unwilling to compromise. which explains why Unification polling has barely budged, despite major demographic and economic change supposedly favouring Dublin
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    Leon said:

    CNN claiming the NYC Trump case will play well for Trump, it is too obviously politicised

    Trump's first criminal case starts next month and the verdicts in his criminal cases will be far more significant for Independent voters than what his civil verdicts will be, the main effect on him of which will be financial
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,814
    edited February 17
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    Ulster was overwhelmingly Protestant, well-armed, and prepared to fight - hard

    2021 Census:

    % Cath % Prot % oth % none
    Antrim 40.05 47.03 2.07 10.84
    Armagh 58.18 33.96 1.16 6.70
    Derry 61.30 32.51 0.94 5.25
    Down 32.27 53.54 1.53 12.66
    Fermanagh 58.82 35.48 1.07 4.63
    Tyrone 66.49 28.88 0.66 3.97
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    I remain intrigued as to what RoI is going to do with NI should it ever get it. They no more understand the place than the english.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    An, er, interesting definition of hospitality.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    Ulster was overwhelmingly Protestant, well-armed, and prepared to fight - hard

    2021 Census:

    % Cath % Prot % oth % none
    Antrim 40.05 47.03 2.07 10.84
    Armagh 58.18 33.96 1.16 6.70
    Derry 61.30 32.51 0.94 5.25
    Down 32.27 53.54 1.53 12.66
    Fermanagh 58.82 35.48 1.07 4.63
    Tyrone 66.49 28.88 0.66 3.97
    More Catholics and non religious in NI want to stay in the UK than Protestants want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-voters-would-decisively-reject-irish-unity-in-border-poll-new-survey-suggests/a952153417.html
  • Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    The creative types want their own space, and quite like the idea that you have to crawl around and shake the right hands to get in.

    But at the end of the day it’s a business, and they need people with money through the door.

    Is the Frontline Club still going?
    I believe so

    I am happy to say that the Groucho remains firm and will not allow in accountants, lawyers and business types, thank Fuck
    Never been to the Groucho, but I know the Frontline as I worked on the fitout there for the IT supplier, back in 2005 or so when they opened. The boss (Vaughan Smith?) was a thoroughly nice bloke with a lot of good stories.
    The Frontline quite recently did a small showcase of some of my photos from Ethiopia, the Danakil Depression, which was gratifying

    Still seems to be functional

    https://www.frontlineclub.com/
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    Ulster was overwhelmingly Protestant, well-armed, and prepared to fight - hard

    2021 Census:

    % Cath % Prot % oth % none
    Antrim 40.05 47.03 2.07 10.84
    Armagh 58.18 33.96 1.16 6.70
    Derry 61.30 32.51 0.94 5.25
    Down 32.27 53.54 1.53 12.66
    Fermanagh 58.82 35.48 1.07 4.63
    Tyrone 66.49 28.88 0.66 3.97
    More Catholics and non religious in NI want to stay in the UK than Protestants want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-voters-would-decisively-reject-irish-unity-in-border-poll-new-survey-suggests/a952153417.html
    Sunil just likes to wind you up.

    I always find his posts put Idi Amin in a good light.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
  • HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    Ulster was overwhelmingly Protestant, well-armed, and prepared to fight - hard

    2021 Census:

    % Cath % Prot % oth % none
    Antrim 40.05 47.03 2.07 10.84
    Armagh 58.18 33.96 1.16 6.70
    Derry 61.30 32.51 0.94 5.25
    Down 32.27 53.54 1.53 12.66
    Fermanagh 58.82 35.48 1.07 4.63
    Tyrone 66.49 28.88 0.66 3.97
    More Catholics and non religious in NI want to stay in the UK than Protestants want a United Ireland

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ni-voters-would-decisively-reject-irish-unity-in-border-poll-new-survey-suggests/a952153417.html
    Sunil just likes to wind you up.

    I always find his posts put Idi Amin in a good light.
    It's the way you tell 'em!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,046
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    CNN claiming the NYC Trump case will play well for Trump, it is too obviously politicised

    Trump's first criminal case starts next month and the verdicts in his criminal cases will be far more significant for Independent voters than what his civil verdicts will be, the main effect on him of which will be financial
    It depends what the verdict and, if guilty, punishment are. While the NY criminal case could attract a jail sentence, commentators suggest that it’s more likely to be another fine.

    The two election interference cases and the classified documents case are more risky, as they do entail a significant risk of jail time. Well, the classified docs case would were the judge not so obviously completely biased towards Trump.
  • Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
    A majority in British-Administered Ireland expressed a preference to stay in the EU. Something the DUP haven't quite grasped.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    edited February 17
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Ukrainian have a desperate shortage of ammunition. There is apparently a decent amount available on the open market but inside the EU the French plus Greece and Cyprus are insisting on it being domestically produced. Why don't we just frigging buy it ourselves? How much does half a million rounds of ammunition actually cost?

    $4.5 to $5bn at current market rates.

    But it wouldn't be a simple purchase as there isn't that much supply around.
    I thought the Czechs were claiming there was?
    There’s a shortage of stock of ammunition in NATO countries, and there’s I think three new plants currently under construction to manufacture them.

    Ukraine is apparently using 7,000-9,000 shells per day, mostly of the NATO-spec 155mm or the Soviet-spec 152mm. There’s even an American factory making 152mm, for existing Ukranian kit from before this war.

    https://www.defensedaily.com/army-details-recent-deals-to-significantly-increase-155mm-artillery-shell-production/army/

    https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
    Yeah but I think the Czechs were talking about outside Nato.
    If they know of anyone stockpiling ammo that Ukraine might find useful, it would be kind of them to say where we can find it. I suspect there’s quite a bit in Africa and South America, but they won’t be too interested in selling as they have their own perpetual wars to fight.

    Increasing production seems to be the way forward, but these things unfortunately take time and should have started when the war did.
    theres supposedly 22,000 tons of munitions 2 km within the border of Transnistria next to the Ukranian border. Varying states of quality no doubt. But its there and would piss Putin off if he lost it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobasna_ammunition_depot
    Interesting. Would be a shame if a bunch of special forces managed to sneak in there and blow it halfway to the moon.
    I think the problem there is that in international law Transnistria is part of Moldova. And Moldova does not have a lot of army.
    The Ukraine war is a good opportunity to solve the Transnistria issue. Without the Black Sea fleet the boys there are up a creek without a paddle. Does Europe have the ruthlessness for it? I'm sure Putin would love to create a civil war in Moldova so it would be prudent to make sure Russia's support for separatism is ended.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,046

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
    A majority in British-Administered Ireland expressed a preference to stay in the EU. Something the DUP haven't quite grasped.
    There’s a new NI Assembly poll, the first since the restoration of powersharing. It has the DUP down 4 on the previous poll by the same pollsters. SF no change, APNI -2, UUP +2, SDLP +1, TUV +2.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
    A majority in British-Administered Ireland expressed a preference to stay in the EU. Something the DUP haven't quite grasped.
    ...which is especially weird, given how dedicated to grasping the DUP are otherwise - especially when it comes to handouts.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    FF43 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2024/feb/17/we-block-10-people-a-day-culture-war-trolls-add-to-uk-vegan-restaurants-struggles

    '“We block up to 10 people a day on social media,” said Anderson. “All we are is a restaurant that serves a type of cuisine. But for some reason, that word – the V-word – seems to cause people to go crazy, so we’ve dropped it.”

    It may sound odd that anyone would be offended by chilli fried tofu or lightly battered cauliflower, but Anderson said the online abuse was relentless.

    He said vegan restaurants had become a punching bag for culture war trolls who see them as a “threat to their way of life, like transgender rights and Black Lives Matter”.'

    Obviously opposed to any abuse and recognise all restaurants are suffering in the current economic environment. But I do think a lot of the food served at plant based restaurants is not very nice. If people are only dining there because of their dietary scruples, and not because they enjoy what they are eating, it's not surprising if they choose to eat at home because it's cheaper.
    I've only been to one vegan restaurant but the food was great. As a vegetarian I am generally pissed off at the growth of veganism because it often means what was once the one vegetarian menu option is a less tasty vegan option. But I couldn't fault the food in the place in Peckham we went to.
    2 years ago I went to a vegan restaurant with a group of friends for christmas, because 1 in the group is vegan. We had totally underwhelming fake meat burgers and chips, which were full of fat. This year our vegan friend had moved overseas and we went to a proper restaurant and had steak - it was a lot times better and we all commented as such.
    I don't have anything against vegan food but a lot of the processed stuff is rubbish.
  • Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    The existence of Northern Ireland doesn't help! Relationships will get better, I'm quite sure, but it will take a while yet!
    On a personal level, of course, things are often excellent. One of the most hospitable countries I've ever been through is the Republic. Although on one visit, while cruising the Shannon, I was invited for drinks in the local pub by the family on the next boat. My wife didn't want to take the children, who were quite young at the time, so I went for an hour or so on my own.
    I was not allowed to buy drinks for the family in the next boat; as 'only one of you and there's six of us', but we were then asked to sing. I sang West Ham's song Bubbles, but my host then followed with an IRA song 'My Little Armalite'!
    Good afternoon @OldKingCole

    Lovely story

    We cruised the Shannon in the early 80s and as the lock gates closed, my daughter who was about 10 at the time fell and I had no idea where she had landed as I couldn't see her from the flying bridge. All panic let lose but fortunately the stern gunwale had caught her before she fell into the lock

    I asked the lock keeper what time it was and he responded 'no idea - we do not have watches here - just let time gently pass by'

    A heart stopping moment ( topical for me at this time !!!!!)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sure, they're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
    They need to spend 2% minimum. So five times what your optimistic estimates claim

    Enough. We are all in this shit together, or we are not. If Ireland wants to host major European corporations (with a parasitic tax regime) then it needs to contribute, meaningfully, to the joint western security that allows these giant companies to trade

    Right now Ireland is like some pathetic boomerang 23 year old going out every night on the lash because Mummy Britain still does all her laundry, and Daddy America pays for her dinners, and Auntie EU buys her clothes. Time for Ireland to grow up
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited February 17
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    It was the way in which the MPs were shocked that the Irish might not do what the UK wanted automatically. And some expected, personally, to get Irish citizenship just like that when the Irish were told to provide it.
    Drivel. Whiny Tory MPs is a given. Varadkar had to set the tone for Ireland and has called it badly wrong imo. He;s a careerist who cares little for the country.
    Drivel yourself. It was a very telling example at the time of how much of England/Britain is stuck in the past. Even if you don't like it and dismiss it.
    I think that increasingly pressure will come from other EU countries on their "special status" non-NATO partners. Which are (I think) Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Ireland, Malta. Tectonic plates are shifting.

    Sweden and Finland are now in, or almost in, NATO. Denmark is only special due to a referendum-driven opt-out from EU Defence structures.

    Ireland's reported 50% defence expenditure increase by 2028 (?) will take it from 1/8 of NATO average to something like 1/6 of NATO average.

    That won't hack it, and their EU colleagues will shake them awake. I suggest that in around 15 years IE defence spending will need to be more like 1% of GDP as a lower bound if they are to maintain credibility.

    In addition to the basics, I suggest that they should look to be overweight in eg fisheries protection.

    https://ecfr.eu/publication/ambiguous-alliance-neutrality-opt-outs-and-european-defence/

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
    A majority in British-Administered Ireland expressed a preference to stay in the EU. Something the DUP haven't quite grasped.
    There’s a new NI Assembly poll, the first since the restoration of powersharing. It has the DUP down 4 on the previous poll by the same pollsters. SF no change, APNI -2, UUP +2, SDLP +1, TUV +2.
    The DUP on 24% in that poll still 3% up on the 21% they got in the the 2022 Assembly election.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/dup-support-falls-after-partys-return-to-stormont-as-uup-and-tuv-gain-ground/a2080283141.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election#Opinion_polling
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,034
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    We need to stop fetishising expenditure numbers. Anybody can throw money at a problem. It's far more difficult, but critically important, to make sure you get £1's worth of defence for every £1 you spend. I'd much rather we spent 2% of GDP well than piss 4% away on procurement disasters.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,401
    edited February 17

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
    A majority in British-Administered Ireland expressed a preference to stay in the EU. Something the DUP haven't quite grasped.
    And what ? People have different opinions. The referendum was nationwide and London and Scotland voted remain but everywhere else voted leave. It was a national vote. The DUP didnt call the shots.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    darkage said:

    FF43 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2024/feb/17/we-block-10-people-a-day-culture-war-trolls-add-to-uk-vegan-restaurants-struggles

    '“We block up to 10 people a day on social media,” said Anderson. “All we are is a restaurant that serves a type of cuisine. But for some reason, that word – the V-word – seems to cause people to go crazy, so we’ve dropped it.”

    It may sound odd that anyone would be offended by chilli fried tofu or lightly battered cauliflower, but Anderson said the online abuse was relentless.

    He said vegan restaurants had become a punching bag for culture war trolls who see them as a “threat to their way of life, like transgender rights and Black Lives Matter”.'

    Obviously opposed to any abuse and recognise all restaurants are suffering in the current economic environment. But I do think a lot of the food served at plant based restaurants is not very nice. If people are only dining there because of their dietary scruples, and not because they enjoy what they are eating, it's not surprising if they choose to eat at home because it's cheaper.
    I've only been to one vegan restaurant but the food was great. As a vegetarian I am generally pissed off at the growth of veganism because it often means what was once the one vegetarian menu option is a less tasty vegan option. But I couldn't fault the food in the place in Peckham we went to.
    2 years ago I went to a vegan restaurant with a group of friends for christmas, because 1 in the group is vegan. We had totally underwhelming fake meat burgers and chips, which were full of fat. This year our vegan friend had moved overseas and we went to a proper restaurant and had steak - it was a lot times better and we all commented as such.
    I don't have anything against vegan food but a lot of the processed stuff is rubbish.
    Yes I wouldn't go to some place serving ultra processed garbage. The place we went was just loads of vegetables, pulses and grains cooked in tasty and imaginative ways, it was a good meal.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
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    Leon said:

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sure, they're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
    They need to spend 2% minimum. So five times what your optimistic estimates claim

    Enough. We are all in this shit together, or we are not. If Ireland wants to host major European corporations (with a parasitic tax regime) then it needs to contribute, meaningfully, to the joint western security that allows these giant companies to trade

    Right now Ireland is like some pathetic boomerang 23 year old going out every night on the lash because Mummy Britain still does all her laundry, and Daddy America pays for her dinners, and Auntie EU buys her clothes. Time for Ireland to grow up
    Sounds a bit more like Celtic beauty has the temerity to dump old English fatty and subsequently has the cheek to have a high old time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    We need to stop fetishising expenditure numbers. Anybody can throw money at a problem. It's far more difficult, but critically important, to make sure you get £1's worth of defence for every £1 you spend. I'd much rather we spent 2% of GDP well than piss 4% away on procurement disasters.
    No one is fetishising anything

    But numbers are numbers. Ireland has one of the highest GDP per capitas in the world, much of that may be statistical mirage but they are undeniably a wealthy nation of 5m people benefitting hugely from joint western security, indeed entirely reliant on it (esp the UK which they constantly lecture!)

    And they spend 0.21% on their defence. It is risible, pathetic and embarrassing. 2% please. £10bn a year. Now.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    ..

    Leon said:

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sthey're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
    They need to spend 2% minimum. So five times what your optimistic estimates claim

    Enough. We are all in this shit together, or we are not. If Ireland wants to host major European corporations (with a parasitic tax regime) then it needs to contribute, meaningfully, to the joint western security that allows these giant companies to trade

    Right now Ireland is like some pathetic boomerang 23 year old going out every night on the lash because Mummy Britain still does all her laundry, and Daddy America pays for her dinners, and Auntie EU buys her clothes. Time for Ireland to grow up
    Sounds a bit more like Celtic beauty has the temerity to dump old English fatty and subsequently has the cheek to have a high old time.
    lol. About as beautiful as the average Glaswegian lass on the piss, but whatever
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889

    ..

    Leon said:

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sure, they're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
    They need to spend 2% minimum. So five times what your optimistic estimates claim

    Enough. We are all in this shit together, or we are not. If Ireland wants to host major European corporations (with a parasitic tax regime) then it needs to contribute, meaningfully, to the joint western security that allows these giant companies to trade

    Right now Ireland is like some pathetic boomerang 23 year old going out every night on the lash because Mummy Britain still does all her laundry, and Daddy America pays for her dinners, and Auntie EU buys her clothes. Time for Ireland to grow up
    Sounds a bit more like Celtic beauty has the temerity to dump old English fatty and subsequently has the cheek to have a high old time.
    Which is fine as long as Putin doesn't decide to send some ships and subs to the Irish coast
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    FPT
    DavidL said:

    The premise behind the case is that Trump is a serial liar (true) who (and this is the tricky bit) continually mislead some poor innocent bankers into believing that he was much richer than he claimed, that his properties were worth much more than they were and thus got highly favourable lending opportunities which allowed him to make money , whilst further misleading the State of New York about the value of these same properties, thus reducing his taxes.

    We are talking about a guy whose businesses have utilised Chapter 11 no less than 6 times. The merest trace of due diligence would have disclosed many other dodgy schemes, such as his University. Any banker who dealt with him who thought that they could rely on Trump’s word as to compliance with his covenants was foolish in the extreme.

    Did these self serving certifications amount in a course of fraudulent conduct? Probably. Were banks and other institutions actually misled? Surely not. Even Deutsch Bank are not that stupid.
    It’s possible that NY State were conned out of some taxes in which case they should sue. The current proceedings do seem to me to be partisan, politically motivated and ill judged. I can’t see this nonsense surviving appeal.

    So your defence is (to summarise) "They were smart enough to know he was cheating them so it's their fault really. Plus they're probably Democrats"

    If I am ever arrested for a crime of which I was guilty, I will come to you and throw money at you to get me off.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    We need to stop fetishising expenditure numbers. Anybody can throw money at a problem. It's far more difficult, but critically important, to make sure you get £1's worth of defence for every £1 you spend. I'd much rather we spent 2% of GDP well than piss 4% away on procurement disasters.
    No one is fetishising anything

    But numbers are numbers. Ireland has one of the highest GDP per capitas in the world, much of that may be statistical mirage but they are undeniably a wealthy nation of 5m people benefitting hugely from joint western security, indeed entirely reliant on it (esp the UK which they constantly lecture!)

    And they spend 0.21% on their defence. It is risible, pathetic and embarrassing. 2% please. £10bn a year. Now.

    Possibly quite a nifty wedge issue for the Dems to get Trump to walk into though. Get some friendly journalists to start asking Trump what he thinks of Ireland freeloading on defence knowing the US (and others) will have their back whilst also denying the US tax revenues - both issues Trump is noisy about.

    Trump will either have to ignore it which makes him a hypocrite re NATO comments or attack (obviously verbally) Ireland which will cause him problems with all those “Irish” American voters.
  • Leon said:

    ..

    Leon said:

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    Their defense spending is shameful. 0.21%

    They aren't permanently scared of everything like the English and don't feel the need to bomb the Middle East every week for 30 years.

    What's the threat that the 26C face that warrants more socially destructive defence spending? They don't need to spend any more to be secure.
    The specific threat is around undersea fibre, I believe. There've been a number of incidents with Russian ships loitering above wet plant sites within Ireland's EEZ.

    Ireland's a member of the EU PESCO and NATO PfP (and pays its way for both), but should probably pony up a bit more and fully participate in NATO's Critical Undersea Infra project. I suspect that discussions are already underway about doing just that...
    Ireland doesnt have a meaningful airforce ( not even a single fighter jet ) nor does it have a functioning navy. How this is paying its way escapes me.
    PfP is mostly about mutual interoperability. Since signing up in 1999, Ireland has participated in KFOR and ISAF (for whatever little that was worth), so it seems to be working as intended.

    PESCO is also primarily concerned with interoperability. Ireland's primary concern there is with Cyber Resilience and Disaster Relief.

    Not sure why you think either of those requires fighter jets...?

    Ireland's defence budget is being increased by 50% over the pre-2022 level by 2028. Current priorities for investment are primary radar, communications systems, and INS fleet renewal.

    Sthey're not exactly a major military power - but they don't claim to be.
    They need to spend 2% minimum. So five times what your optimistic estimates claim

    Enough. We are all in this shit together, or we are not. If Ireland wants to host major European corporations (with a parasitic tax regime) then it needs to contribute, meaningfully, to the joint western security that allows these giant companies to trade

    Right now Ireland is like some pathetic boomerang 23 year old going out every night on the lash because Mummy Britain still does all her laundry, and Daddy America pays for her dinners, and Auntie EU buys her clothes. Time for Ireland to grow up
    Sounds a bit more like Celtic beauty has the temerity to dump old English fatty and subsequently has the cheek to have a high old time.
    lol. About as beautiful as the average Glaswegian lass on the piss, but whatever
    Michelle O'Neill looks OK :)
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    It's funny that the fact that four of his school alumni were there didn't raise any alarm bells,and isn't the subject of the piece. The only place I'd expect to run into four people from my school would be Tescos in St Andrews. It's extraordinary to think there are people (other than those who live in a small town they grew up in) for whom it is utterly normal to live in a professional world already densely populated with people they know.
  • HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    It's difficult to blame Irish negativity towards the United Kingdom, given the multiplicity of kickings that England has given Ireland over the past several hundred years

    So all those European countries that have reconciled themselves with Germany have got it wrong. Much better to pick at scabs hundreds of year old and top up the bile.
    To some degree I agree, but 'Germany' hasn't been the Germany we know for more than 150 years. Before then what we now know as Germans were quite capable of fighting each other.
    Nor in the last 100 years has England been the England of old. The Irish just need to grow up and stop living in the past.
    The way Tory MPs were talking about Ireland in recent years demonstrates otherwise. In fact, not just talking about Ireland come to think of it.
    Mostly because Varadkar decided to use Brexit as his political CV for a job in Brussels. Anglo Irish relations were improving prior to that but Varadkar decide to drag us all back to the 1900s.
    Brexit Referendum in NI, 2016:

    To REMAIN 56%
    To LEAVE 44%
    Your point being ?
    A majority in British-Administered Ireland expressed a preference to stay in the EU. Something the DUP haven't quite grasped.
    There’s a new NI Assembly poll, the first since the restoration of powersharing. It has the DUP down 4 on the previous poll by the same pollsters. SF no change, APNI -2, UUP +2, SDLP +1, TUV +2.
    The DUP on 24% in that poll still 3% up on the 21% they got in the the 2022 Assembly election.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/dup-support-falls-after-partys-return-to-stormont-as-uup-and-tuv-gain-ground/a2080283141.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election#Opinion_polling
    OK, so they're doing slightly better than the ruling party in GB :lol:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited February 17
    ON topic, I have just had a FANTASTIC curry

    The food in Phnom Penh is some of the best in the world. How can it be? It is so poor. But it is so

    I think it is better than Thailand and possibly better than Vietnam. A collision of China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and an obsession with flavours and a passion for seafood but also a young, food-driven populace

    Take one tiny example, my local bar does great gin-and-tonics with Hendricks or Tanqueray 10 with loads of ice and long thin slices of cucumber. Perfect

    But they also serve them with these tiny saucers of slender flash fried sliced banana dipped in a piquant chili and nut powder. ie a perfect bar snack - satly but more-ish and quite healthy. Made there and then

    Cambodia: the next foodie destination. You read it here first
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,062
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    It seems a pretty pointless dispute. What was it? Some edgy journalist trying to spark a row between Britain and Ireland?
    It is absolutely NOT pointless, Ireland spends a paltry 0.23% on defence at a time when we are all being asked to pony up. They are essentially a parasite on Britain, in defence, as they parasitise the rest of Europe, in their tax rates

    And then they seek to lecture others morally, especially Britain!

    Fuck them and their "oh we're peaceful and neutral" bullshit. They boast about how rich they are. Then they can jolly well give us 2% of their massive GDP - several billion quid - seeing as how we defend them, or they can spend it themselves and join NATO. The era of free riding is over
    I mean you have a lot of recurring memes, but the Hibernophobia is an odd one. Did your maw get a bad pint of Guinness while with Leon child?
    You’re right, it is one of my ‘things’

    It’s probably lurked since the IRA, when half my friends were desperate lefties supporting the IRA even as the IRA tried to kill us. I’ve personally witnessed one IRA bomb, and been close to others, I went to Belfast during the Troubles. The dissonance between the facts and my lefty friends’ delusions drove me a bit mad but I recovered

    Then it returned cause I started reading Irish media a few years ago, looking for a new perspective. Possibly early in the pandemic?

    Their anglophobia is chronic. It’s worse than Nat scotland. It’s a dreadful mix of inferiority complex - understandable perhaps - combined with a contrived sense of moral superiority to the awful racist Brits

    Add in their tax policies and now their defence hypocrisy and it irks

    I accept most Brits don’t share this. Which is entirely to the credit of easygoing Brits
    I agree with you. Ireland isn’t short of money, they need to step up and play the defence game like everyone else. They have a coastline that they rely on the British navy and Air Force to defend. You never hear of Irish planes chasing away bears in the Atlantic, because it’s the British planes doing it.

    Everyone else is starting to look at 3-4% of GDP on defence as being the new standard, until Russia is put firmly back in its box; especially as the US starts to look to the their West at China as the new enemy.
    We need to stop fetishising expenditure numbers. Anybody can throw money at a problem. It's far more difficult, but critically important, to make sure you get £1's worth of defence for every £1 you spend. I'd much rather we spent 2% of GDP well than piss 4% away on procurement disasters.
    Yes, getting value for money is massively important. Defence procurement is a right mess, but it does appear that an actual hot war makes many of the problems disappear quite quickly!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,062
    Leon said:

    ON topic, I have just had a FANTASTIC curry

    The food in Phnom penh is some of the best in the world. How can it be? It is so poor. But it is so

    I think it is better than Thailand and possibly better than Vietnam. A collision of China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Malyasia, and an obsession with flavours and a passion for seafood but also a young, food-obsessed populace

    Take one tiny example, my local bar does great gin and tonics with Hendricks or Tanqueray 10 with loads of ice and long thin slices of cucumber. Perfect

    But they also serve them with these tiny saucers of slender flash fried sliced banana dipped in a piqaunt chili and nut powder. ie a perfect bar snack - satly but more-ish and quite healthy. Made there and then

    Cambodia: the next foodie destination. You read it here first

    What proportion of the food has chilli in it ?
    (I can't eat it.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    It's funny that the fact that four of his school alumni were there didn't raise any alarm bells,and isn't the subject of the piece. The only place I'd expect to run into four people from my school would be Tescos in St Andrews. It's extraordinary to think there are people (other than those who live in a small town they grew up in) for whom it is utterly normal to live in a professional world already densely populated with people they know.
    I presume we are talking a fairly posh London public school, here
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    Nigelb said:
    Well, it’s owner is a gigantic arse..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, I have just had a FANTASTIC curry

    The food in Phnom penh is some of the best in the world. How can it be? It is so poor. But it is so

    I think it is better than Thailand and possibly better than Vietnam. A collision of China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Malyasia, and an obsession with flavours and a passion for seafood but also a young, food-obsessed populace

    Take one tiny example, my local bar does great gin and tonics with Hendricks or Tanqueray 10 with loads of ice and long thin slices of cucumber. Perfect

    But they also serve them with these tiny saucers of slender flash fried sliced banana dipped in a piqaunt chili and nut powder. ie a perfect bar snack - satly but more-ish and quite healthy. Made there and then

    Cambodia: the next foodie destination. You read it here first

    What proportion of the food has chilli in it ?
    (I can't eat it.)
    Nothing like Thailand (eg they don't have prik nam pla, that ubiquitous Thai condiment of chili and fish sauce). They have prahok, which is fermented fish sauce, pungent but delish

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prahok

    They do eat chilis and they like them, but not on the same scale as Thailand. It is all much more.... subtle

    I think it is the Chinese influence. The Khmer are basically Chinese people who moved south
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    It's funny that the fact that four of his school alumni were there didn't raise any alarm bells,and isn't the subject of the piece. The only place I'd expect to run into four people from my school would be Tescos in St Andrews. It's extraordinary to think there are people (other than those who live in a small town they grew up in) for whom it is utterly normal to live in a professional world already densely populated with people they know.
    I presume we are talking a fairly posh London public school, here
    Yes presumably. It's just nuts to me that there are people for whom that is an unremarkable fact, running into people you went to school with everywhere you go - but not because you still live in some small town where you grew up.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Janen Ganesh has written a playful article about the problems of PB, sorry, Soho house

    ‘A friend of mine first entertained doubts that Soho House was cool when he saw four alumni of his school there. “Accountant, accountant, solicitor, accountant

    https://www.ft.com/content/348b9e16-344f-4699-8419-f7e82a5ef17b

    Basically, they are letting anyone in - accountants and lawyers etc. But the plonkers are still angry. He sees this as a societal issue

    It's funny that the fact that four of his school alumni were there didn't raise any alarm bells,and isn't the subject of the piece. The only place I'd expect to run into four people from my school would be Tescos in St Andrews. It's extraordinary to think there are people (other than those who live in a small town they grew up in) for whom it is utterly normal to live in a professional world already densely populated with people they know.
    I presume we are talking a fairly posh London public school, here
    Yes presumably. It's just nuts to me that there are people for whom that is an unremarkable fact, running into people you went to school with everywhere you go - but not because you still live in some small town where you grew up.
    I agree. It is alien to me too, but I have witnessed it
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Leon said:

    ON topic, I have just had a FANTASTIC curry

    The food in Phnom Penh is some of the best in the world. How can it be? It is so poor. But it is so

    I think it is better than Thailand and possibly better than Vietnam. A collision of China, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and an obsession with flavours and a passion for seafood but also a young, food-driven populace

    Take one tiny example, my local bar does great gin-and-tonics with Hendricks or Tanqueray 10 with loads of ice and long thin slices of cucumber. Perfect

    But they also serve them with these tiny saucers of slender flash fried sliced banana dipped in a piquant chili and nut powder. ie a perfect bar snack - satly but more-ish and quite healthy. Made there and then

    Cambodia: the next foodie destination. You read it here first

    My wife went to Cambodia about five or six years ago for work and raved about the food.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,240
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Ukraine is slooooooowly losing the war


    "BREAKING: Ukrainian forces are withdrawing from Avdiivka, Donetsk oblast, Commander in chief of Ukraine's armed forces say"

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1758646704423715166?s=20

    If the Russian advance continues at this pace in another 50 years Ukraine could be in serious trouble.
    Hence my slooooooooooowly

    It is attrition. Trouble is, on the most basic level, Russia can afford to be attrited more
    You are comparing gross population

    You shouldn’t be doing that. Exclude the white European Russians from the numbers. They’re not the ones being conscripted
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    Now we know what REALLY killed Navalny.


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