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Life after Sunak – Tory Leadership Contenders – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,002
edited February 15 in General
imageLife after Sunak – Tory Leadership Contenders – politicalbetting.com

The next Tory Leadership contest should be one of the most fiercely fought for some time. Rather than choosing a new Prime Minister, it is highly likely the Tories will select a new leader at the same time as coming to terms with a significant, possibly even landslide, election defeat.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,502
    edited February 10
    First
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    ON topic, Twickers should definitely sing a Smiths song when the game is drifting, to capture the maudlin mood

    Girlfriend in a Coma?

    Please Please Please, Let Me Get What I Want?
  • I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,384

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    Apparently because she’s anti-woke she’s the latest flavour of the month.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    It's deeply depressing for the Tories

    I recommend reading the Times article on her. It's clearly meant as a way of bigging her up, but for me it does the opposite. Makes her feel insubstantial, thinly ideological, and not very British
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,243
    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,473

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    DC back as FS was one of those real 'out of the blue' outcomes. You'd need to have been privy to private comms in order to see it coming.

    Michelle Obama changing her mind about entering politics would fall into the same category.

    These things are inherently hard to price.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,384
    So the next stage of making Gaza un-inhabitable is destroying Rafah . Where are 1.2 million people supposed to evacuate to?

    Netanyahu clearly wants to drag this out for as long as possible as that’s the only way he remains PM .



  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 2,924
    Slim pickings indeed here. My money is staying in my pocket on this market, but gun to head I’d go Braverman as she’s in an ultra safe seat, has an extensive nutbag constituency in the party and the Tories have still not quite hit their rock bottom - they need go the full NatCon to actually exorcise it and move on back to become a vaguely sensible and electable party again.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    nico679 said:

    So the next stage of making Gaza un-inhabitable is destroying Rafah . Where are 1.2 million people supposed to evacuate to?

    Netanyahu clearly wants to drag this out for as long as possible as that’s the only way he remains PM .



    This is an opportunity for Starmer not to be a dick. Condemn it now!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 46,805

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    Because of clueless twats like our Leon.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 46,805
    edited February 10
    Leon said:

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    It's deeply depressing for the Tories

    I recommend reading the Times article on her. It's clearly meant as a way of bigging her up, but for me it does the opposite. Makes me feel insubstantial, thinly ideological, and not very British
    With such insight and astonishing ability to awaken self-awareness in others, maybe we should give her a second look?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    edited February 10
    IanB2 said:

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    Because of clueless twats like our Leon.
    I know I am, in your eyes, responsible for most of the world's ills, but seeing as I am not a Tory member and have no role in Tory politics I'm not sure how I have elevated Kemi Badenoch to her favourite status

    Nice tho. If I can do that, what else can I do?!
  • Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland are doing a good job of introducing new songs and singing to their rugby crowds. The Proclaimers. Bonny Bonny banks etc

    England should copy. Suggestions for songs?

    Beatles? Hey Jude?

    Wonderwall
    This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us.

    (Like many Sparks songs has very droll lyrics if you can make them out.)
    Wouid anyone know it?

    They need a really thumping singalong chorus

    Pretty Vacant might work?
    Never Let Me Down Again

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snILjFUkk_A&t=9s
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    IanB2 said:

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    Because of clueless twats like our Leon.
    TBF, and I hate to be fair to Leon, he has just condemned her down thread quoting a Times fan-piece/expose.
  • I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Dave = Unelected Has-Been!
  • Perhaps more worrying for the Conservatives is that they seem to lack people who:

    1) Understand what they've done well in government
    2) Have an idea about what the UK's problems are

    The only one who seems to have a clue is Jeremy Hunt.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,709
    I don’t find Kemi “not-British”.
    She’s married to a Scotsman, and she’s not really part of this globally transient cosmopolitan class.

    I personally find her more British than Sunak, who gives every sign of hoping to move to California when he is finally ejected by the public.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Scotland have messed this up, they should be 10 points ahead. France will sneak it
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 6,751
    This far out, the usual rule of thumb is to lay the favourite.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Leon said:

    Scotland have messed this up, they should be 10 points ahead. France will sneak it

    Is this a classic Leondamus call ?

    It’s a good game.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,712
    That is a very poor quality field for the Tories. Is this parade of non-entities and vapid ideologues really the best that our natural party of government has to offer? Labour might be in power for a while at this rate.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 38,654

    Perhaps more worrying for the Conservatives is that they seem to lack people who:

    1) Understand what they've done well in government
    2) Have an idea about what the UK's problems are

    The only one who seems to have a clue is Jeremy Hunt.

    Don't disagree. But understanding what they've done badly would be even more useful, though.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,473
    edited February 10
    Andy_JS said:

    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/

    Sounds a lovely guy. Never used names when an epithet would do. But reading it, they didn't rule he was not a racist. They said their ruling didn't extend to saying he was or he wasn't.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 46,805
    edited February 10
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    Because of clueless twats like our Leon.
    I know I am, in your eyes, responsible for most of the world's ills, but seeing as I am not a Tory member and have no role in Tory politics I'm not sure how I have elevated Kemi Badenoch to her favourite status

    Nice tho. If I can do that, what else can I do?!
    No, you have it wrong.

    Personally, you are responsible for remarkably little. There’s really not much harm you can do, making up stories for people to read on long National Express coach journeys, and posting drunken rants from some anonymous lonely Asian hotel room on a discussion forum, waiting for your latest booking to knock on the door.

    But as an exemplar, you do illustrate so much that is very wrong with the modern world.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland have messed this up, they should be 10 points ahead. France will sneak it

    Is this a classic Leondamus call ?

    It’s a good game.
    It is

    This is a pretty average France team, way beneath their level of 2022-3. They are there for the taking if Scotland get a grip
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Leon said:

    ON topic, Twickers should definitely sing a Smiths song when the game is drifting, to capture the maudlin mood

    Girlfriend in a Coma?

    Please Please Please, Let Me Get What I Want?

    Maybe they won’t. Isn’t Morrissey persona non grata now.

    Remember this. Merseyrail pandering to an idiot.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48393548
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 42,827
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/

    Sounds a lovely guy. Never used names when an epithet would do. But reading it, they didn't rule he wasn't racist. They said their ruling didn't extend to saying he was or he wasn't.
    I do wonder what

    - The GMC
    - The gynaecologist

    Would make of statements that Hammersmith would be better if free of

    - Black people
    - White people
    - Muslims
    - Hindus
    - Norse worshipers
    - Yazidis
    - Orange people

  • I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Have to be a very low floor bus, then.

    On topic, the most right wing candidate presented to the membership wins.

    So for Kemi to win, she has to get Braverman knocked out in an MP round. Possible, but unlikely.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,069
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland are doing a good job of introducing new songs and singing to their rugby crowds. The Proclaimers. Bonny Bonny banks etc

    England should copy. Suggestions for songs?

    Beatles? Hey Jude?

    Wonderwall
    This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us.

    (Like many Sparks songs has very droll lyrics if you can make them out.)
    Wouid anyone know it?

    They need a really thumping singalong chorus

    Pretty Vacant might work?
    The Kinks are very English. But not Lola (unsuitable divisive subject matter) or Waterloo Sunset (too Londoncentric).

    So Sunny Afternoon, say.

    Easy to imagine that rolling around Twickers after a stirring win.
    Nice. The Kinks are an inspired choice - so English - and yes I'd go for Waterloo Sunset or Lola (consider them unifying)
    Mister Woke War can’t do Lola though, I bet 😄
  • Leon said:

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    It's deeply depressing for the Tories

    I recommend reading the Times article on her. It's clearly meant as a way of bigging her up, but for me it does the opposite. Makes her feel insubstantial, thinly ideological, and not very British
    Its rather vacuous but its similar to all the 'I dislike posh lefties' backgrounds of many non-stereotype Conservatives.

    The only difference being that her background is non-standard on racial rather than on class or geographic grounds.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,473
    edited February 10
    Carnyx said:

    Perhaps more worrying for the Conservatives is that they seem to lack people who:

    1) Understand what they've done well in government
    2) Have an idea about what the UK's problems are

    The only one who seems to have a clue is Jeremy Hunt.

    Don't disagree. But understanding what they've done badly would be even more useful, though.
    A lot to wade through there. Chunky syllabus.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,504

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Read the Tory party constitution - Dave needs to be an MP. Firstly he isn't one and secondly exactly where is a safe seat going to appear that the current tory party could win in a byelection..
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    How the flip is Kemi Badenoch top dog?
    Only eclipsed in her comprehensive uselessness as a Minister by Laura Trott yesterday

    Because of clueless twats like our Leon.
    I know I am, in your eyes, responsible for most of the world's ills, but seeing as I am not a Tory member and have no role in Tory politics I'm not sure how I have elevated Kemi Badenoch to her favourite status

    Nice tho. If I can do that, what else can I do?!
    No, you have it wrong.

    Personally, you are responsible for remarkably little. There’s really not much harm you can do, making up stories for people to read on long National Express coach journeys, and posting drunken rants from some anonymous lonely Asian hotel room on a discussion forum, waiting for your latest booking to knock on the door.

    But as an exemplar, you do illustrate so much that is very wrong with the modern world.
    You are personally obsessed with me, it is quite peculiar

    I almost never mention you by name unless you are in an actual exchange with me, you constantly mention me even if I'm not here

    It's a bit like I'm the Jews in 1923 and you're a young Adolf Hitler sullenly hawking his paintings im Munich. I am somehow to blame for everything with my weird scheming, even though I am simultaneously meaningless and powerless

    Think I've nailed it. You're the first person to have an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about one person, you've never met, who is not Jewish
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Oh FFS Scotland. Throwing this away. So many chances
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 38,654
    eek said:

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Read the Tory party constitution - Dave needs to be an MP. Firstly he isn't one and secondly exactly where is a safe seat going to appear that the current tory party could win in a byelection..
    Just imagine. You'd get LDs attracted to it like dung-beetles to a fresh deposition of Brontosaurus manure. And he'd be squeezed between them and Reform.
  • Carnyx said:

    Perhaps more worrying for the Conservatives is that they seem to lack people who:

    1) Understand what they've done well in government
    2) Have an idea about what the UK's problems are

    The only one who seems to have a clue is Jeremy Hunt.

    Don't disagree. But understanding what they've done badly would be even more useful, though.
    Indeed.

    Its effectively the other side of the coin.

    They need to start with rentierism and crony capitalism.

    Plus the hypocrisy of a party which preaches about individual responsibility failing to apply it in their own personal conduct.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage
  • Have we discussed this?

    Why cash is king at London’s best pub

    One boozer has found a novel way to look out for its older customer


    Five years ago a government review into access to cash warned that Britain was “sleepwalking into a cashless society”.

    Yes, the proportion of payments made using physical pounds and pence has fallen dramatically but millions of people still rely on cash.

    While businesses large and small have gone card-only, some are fighting back – and thriving as a result.

    Voted London’s best pub by Time Out magazine last year, Skehan’s, in Nunhead, south-east London, has kept prices low and made sure regulars keep coming back by protecting the use of cash.

    While rivals have turned to underhanded methods such as charging customers American-style tips on pints or introducing “surge pricing” for drinking during “peak hours”, the independent family-owned pub has one rule: cash is king.

    Despite the dominance of card payments in recent years, fuelled by the introduction of Apple Pay and Google Pay which allow customers to pay with a wave of their mobile phones, the Irish pub insists all orders under £10 are paid for with cash.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/london-best-pub-fighting-back-war-on-cash-skehans-nunhead/
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339

    Have we discussed this?

    Why cash is king at London’s best pub

    One boozer has found a novel way to look out for its older customer


    Five years ago a government review into access to cash warned that Britain was “sleepwalking into a cashless society”.

    Yes, the proportion of payments made using physical pounds and pence has fallen dramatically but millions of people still rely on cash.

    While businesses large and small have gone card-only, some are fighting back – and thriving as a result.

    Voted London’s best pub by Time Out magazine last year, Skehan’s, in Nunhead, south-east London, has kept prices low and made sure regulars keep coming back by protecting the use of cash.

    While rivals have turned to underhanded methods such as charging customers American-style tips on pints or introducing “surge pricing” for drinking during “peak hours”, the independent family-owned pub has one rule: cash is king.

    Despite the dominance of card payments in recent years, fuelled by the introduction of Apple Pay and Google Pay which allow customers to pay with a wave of their mobile phones, the Irish pub insists all orders under £10 are paid for with cash.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/london-best-pub-fighting-back-war-on-cash-skehans-nunhead/

    Not all heroes wear capes :wink:
  • Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,420
    Perhaps Kemi Badenoch risks being the Ron DeSantis of British politics, not able to break out the pigeonhole marked culture warrior.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,308

    I don’t find Kemi “not-British”.
    She’s married to a Scotsman, and she’s not really part of this globally transient cosmopolitan class.

    I personally find her more British than Sunak, who gives every sign of hoping to move to California when he is finally ejected by the public.

    Prediction: when KWV does succeed his father to the throne, Sunak will be the only former PM not present at the Accession Council, due to being in California.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,129
    China escalating against Messi

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68261461
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 38,654

    Have we discussed this?

    Why cash is king at London’s best pub

    One boozer has found a novel way to look out for its older customer


    Five years ago a government review into access to cash warned that Britain was “sleepwalking into a cashless society”.

    Yes, the proportion of payments made using physical pounds and pence has fallen dramatically but millions of people still rely on cash.

    While businesses large and small have gone card-only, some are fighting back – and thriving as a result.

    Voted London’s best pub by Time Out magazine last year, Skehan’s, in Nunhead, south-east London, has kept prices low and made sure regulars keep coming back by protecting the use of cash.

    While rivals have turned to underhanded methods such as charging customers American-style tips on pints or introducing “surge pricing” for drinking during “peak hours”, the independent family-owned pub has one rule: cash is king.

    Despite the dominance of card payments in recent years, fuelled by the introduction of Apple Pay and Google Pay which allow customers to pay with a wave of their mobile phones, the Irish pub insists all orders under £10 are paid for with cash.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/london-best-pub-fighting-back-war-on-cash-skehans-nunhead/

    What a civilised institution.
  • eek said:

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Read the Tory party constitution - Dave needs to be an MP. Firstly he isn't one and secondly exactly where is a safe seat going to appear that the current tory party could win in a byelection..
    But this is about the next PM market, do not need to be an MP to be PM.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,382

    I don’t find Kemi “not-British”.
    She’s married to a Scotsman, and she’s not really part of this globally transient cosmopolitan class.

    I personally find her more British than Sunak, who gives every sign of hoping to move to California when he is finally ejected by the public.

    If Penny Mordaunt doesnt run, or loses her seat, I wonder if Tom Tugendhat could inherit her support and scrape through to the final two - presumably the other being Kemi. Suspect Suella, who has managed to fall out with both Liz and Rishi, will struggle with the MPs.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,502
    edited February 10
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    'Farage can fuck right off.'

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4599280/#Comment_4599280

    Which was on this thread.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/11/10/the-king-over-the-water-for-the-tories/
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,384

    Perhaps Kemi Badenoch risks being the Ron DeSantis of British politics, not able to break out the pigeonhole marked culture warrior.

    It’s her own fault . She’s an overhyped and over promoted waste of space .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,473

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/

    Sounds a lovely guy. Never used names when an epithet would do. But reading it, they didn't rule he wasn't racist. They said their ruling didn't extend to saying he was or he wasn't.
    I do wonder what

    - The GMC
    - The gynaecologist

    Would make of statements that Hammersmith would be better if free of

    - Black people
    - White people
    - Muslims
    - Hindus
    - Norse worshipers
    - Yazidis
    - Orange people
    Yes. Although I'd rather not find out.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,069
    On topic.

    “Parties seem to direct inwards after defeats.”

    But what is type for the Tories these days?

    Sunak seems to sit comfortably beside Meloni, Badenoch hand in hand with De Santis, Truss leading politician for Institute of Economic Affairs.

    I have a pony on Claire Coutinho, as sometimes in politics the negatives of some politicians gets them knocked out of contests, and a blank canvass is projected on unknown person as all things to all factions - provided they look and sound the part, and Coutinho is a strong, spiky communicator.

    Got to go now. Bit of a do tonight, and I’m helping in the kitchen 🙋‍♀️
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    Same problem as Boris.

    He's not an MP, he's not even a candidate.

    First, it will take an implausibly selfless Conservative leader to invite them into the fold.

    Second, it would require an awfully safe seat for them to win.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    'Farage can fuck right off.'

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4599280/#Comment_4599280

    Which was on this thread.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/11/10/the-king-over-the-water-for-the-tories/
    lol

    It all depends how bad their defeat is

    It is conceivable they actually go extinct - well under 100 seats, perhaps under 50 - and at that point all bets are off. They may find themselves begging Farage to unite them with Reform, and revive the Right

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,695
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    In such a circumstance he would need to.
    1 Join (and be accepted into) the Tory Party.
    2 Get someone to step aside from what would be an effective sinecure to force a by election.
    3 Win that by-election.
    4 All before nominations for a leadership election have closed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,502
    edited February 10
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    'Farage can fuck right off.'

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4599280/#Comment_4599280

    Which was on this thread.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/11/10/the-king-over-the-water-for-the-tories/
    lol

    It all depends how bad their defeat is

    It is conceivable they actually go extinct - well under 100 seats, perhaps under 50 - and at that point all bets are off. They may find themselves begging Farage to unite them with Reform, and revive the Right

    And this

    Farage would be a Poundland Boris.

    He can't even deliver himself a seat in Westminster. He wouldn't have delivered Brexit. He needed Boris to be the front man for that to happen.

    The odious twat can carry on being snug in Trump's lower intestine.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,473

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland are doing a good job of introducing new songs and singing to their rugby crowds. The Proclaimers. Bonny Bonny banks etc

    England should copy. Suggestions for songs?

    Beatles? Hey Jude?

    Wonderwall
    This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us.

    (Like many Sparks songs has very droll lyrics if you can make them out.)
    Wouid anyone know it?

    They need a really thumping singalong chorus

    Pretty Vacant might work?
    The Kinks are very English. But not Lola (unsuitable divisive subject matter) or Waterloo Sunset (too Londoncentric).

    So Sunny Afternoon, say.

    Easy to imagine that rolling around Twickers after a stirring win.
    Nice. The Kinks are an inspired choice - so English - and yes I'd go for Waterloo Sunset or Lola (consider them unifying)
    Mister Woke War can’t do Lola though, I bet 😄
    That was my point. Not so much about Leon specifically but about the rugger crowd. They won't embrace Lola as their anthem because it features a woman with a penis and that flies in the face of commonsense.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Dismal rugby. Two mediocre teams
  • On topic.

    “Parties seem to direct inwards after defeats.”

    But what is type for the Tories these days?

    Sunak seems to sit comfortably beside Meloni, Badenoch hand in hand with De Santis, Truss leading politician for Institute of Economic Affairs.

    I have a pony on Claire Coutinho, as sometimes in politics the negatives of some politicians gets them knocked out of contests, and a blank canvass is projected on unknown person as all things to all factions - provided they look and sound the part, and Coutinho is a strong, spiky communicator.

    Got to go now. Bit of a do tonight, and I’m helping in the kitchen 🙋‍♀️

    If history rhymes, first as tragedy, then as farce, CC is a big Hague-y. Cabinet experience, but not really complicit in the bad memories, young enough to grown into the job, and a blank canvas to project onto. Downside of being seen as continuity Sunak.

    But as Jim Hacker's Chief Whip put it "Who is suitable? You can't tell until you suck it and see."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    In such a circumstance he would need to.
    1 Join (and be accepted into) the Tory Party.
    2 Get someone to step aside from what would be an effective sinecure to force a by election.
    3 Win that by-election.
    4 All before nominations for a leadership election have closed.
    Also

    5. Farage has to want this - and there isn't much evidence of that

    I want it to happen for the Lolz, but I accept there are almost insurmountable obstacles
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    @leon damus May be right !!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Taz said:

    @leon damus May be right !!

    This is not a great advert for Six Nations rugby. Dire
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 42,827
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/

    Sounds a lovely guy. Never used names when an epithet would do. But reading it, they didn't rule he wasn't racist. They said their ruling didn't extend to saying he was or he wasn't.
    I do wonder what

    - The GMC
    - The gynaecologist

    Would make of statements that Hammersmith would be better if free of

    - Black people
    - White people
    - Muslims
    - Hindus
    - Norse worshipers
    - Yazidis
    - Orange people
    Yes. Although I'd rather not find out.
    I would.

    If you don’t know, neither the GMC or the gynaecologist are any better or worse. They are no different.

    But if you know, you have facts. Which a valuable things, of themselves.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Scotland have thrown this away, it was there to be taken
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,182

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    'Farage can fuck right off.'

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4599280/#Comment_4599280

    Which was on this thread.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/11/10/the-king-over-the-water-for-the-tories/
    lol

    It all depends how bad their defeat is

    It is conceivable they actually go extinct - well under 100 seats, perhaps under 50 - and at that point all bets are off. They may find themselves begging Farage to unite them with Reform, and revive the Right

    And this

    Farage would be a Poundland Boris.

    He can't even deliver himself a seat in Westminster. He wouldn't have delivered Brexit. He needed Boris to be the front man for that to happen.

    The odious twat can carry on being snug in Trump's lower intestine.
    It was Cameron who delivered Brexit by his masterful incompetence in campaigning for Remain.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 3,647
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland are doing a good job of introducing new songs and singing to their rugby crowds. The Proclaimers. Bonny Bonny banks etc

    England should copy. Suggestions for songs?

    Beatles? Hey Jude?

    Wonderwall
    This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us.

    (Like many Sparks songs has very droll lyrics if you can make them out.)
    Wouid anyone know it?

    They need a really thumping singalong chorus

    Pretty Vacant might work?
    The Kinks are very English. But not Lola (unsuitable divisive subject matter) or Waterloo Sunset (too Londoncentric).

    So Sunny Afternoon, say.

    Easy to imagine that rolling around Twickers after a stirring win.
    Nice. The Kinks are an inspired choice - so English - and yes I'd go for Waterloo Sunset or Lola (consider them unifying)
    Mister Woke War can’t do Lola though, I bet 😄
    That was my point. Not so much about Leon specifically but about the rugger crowd. They won't embrace Lola as their anthem because it features a woman with a penis and that flies in the face of commonsense.
    You have been deprived of contact with English rugby players and fans where every one of them has an absolutely hilarious tale about that time they got arseholed in Putney in that private room above the pub singing “father Abraham” naked with their pants on their heads then, as it was one of his stag do’s, Barney was tied to a chair and a stripper walked in and it turned out it was a chick with a dick. It was totally hilaire because Barney was so banjaxxed he didn’t realise until he had the strippers cock resting on top of his head.

    So I think plenty of people at Twickenham are used to the concept of a woman with a penis.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,712

    Have we discussed this?

    Why cash is king at London’s best pub

    One boozer has found a novel way to look out for its older customer


    Five years ago a government review into access to cash warned that Britain was “sleepwalking into a cashless society”.

    Yes, the proportion of payments made using physical pounds and pence has fallen dramatically but millions of people still rely on cash.

    While businesses large and small have gone card-only, some are fighting back – and thriving as a result.

    Voted London’s best pub by Time Out magazine last year, Skehan’s, in Nunhead, south-east London, has kept prices low and made sure regulars keep coming back by protecting the use of cash.

    While rivals have turned to underhanded methods such as charging customers American-style tips on pints or introducing “surge pricing” for drinking during “peak hours”, the independent family-owned pub has one rule: cash is king.

    Despite the dominance of card payments in recent years, fuelled by the introduction of Apple Pay and Google Pay which allow customers to pay with a wave of their mobile phones, the Irish pub insists all orders under £10 are paid for with cash.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/london-best-pub-fighting-back-war-on-cash-skehans-nunhead/

    Yes. The secret at Skehans is to buy yourself two drinks, if you've got no cash and you're not buying drinks for anyone else. I have to say though, most people do pay with card or app there. It is only a minority paying with cash although I reckon my next door neighbour probably does.
    The best thing about Skehans is that it is incredibly well staffed. I don't think I've ever waited for more than a couple of minutes to get served. It is an awesome pub, so glad that it is a three minute walk from my house!
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Tense ending !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,502
    edited February 10
    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Have France effed it up
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    Respect due to @Leon damus

    Should have been a try.

    Cracking match.
  • Utter bollocks by the TMO, worst decision against the Scots since the RWC 2015.
  • Scots have a genuine claim they were robbed
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,673
    Umpire's call
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,182

    Have we discussed this?

    Why cash is king at London’s best pub

    One boozer has found a novel way to look out for its older customer


    Five years ago a government review into access to cash warned that Britain was “sleepwalking into a cashless society”.

    Yes, the proportion of payments made using physical pounds and pence has fallen dramatically but millions of people still rely on cash.

    While businesses large and small have gone card-only, some are fighting back – and thriving as a result.

    Voted London’s best pub by Time Out magazine last year, Skehan’s, in Nunhead, south-east London, has kept prices low and made sure regulars keep coming back by protecting the use of cash.

    While rivals have turned to underhanded methods such as charging customers American-style tips on pints or introducing “surge pricing” for drinking during “peak hours”, the independent family-owned pub has one rule: cash is king.

    Despite the dominance of card payments in recent years, fuelled by the introduction of Apple Pay and Google Pay which allow customers to pay with a wave of their mobile phones, the Irish pub insists all orders under £10 are paid for with cash.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/london-best-pub-fighting-back-war-on-cash-skehans-nunhead/

    Yes. The secret at Skehans is to buy yourself two drinks, if you've got no cash and you're not buying drinks for anyone else. I have to say though, most people do pay with card or app there. It is only a minority paying with cash although I reckon my next door neighbour probably does.
    The best thing about Skehans is that it is incredibly well staffed. I don't think I've ever waited for more than a couple of minutes to get served. It is an awesome pub, so glad that it is a three minute walk from my house!
    Cashless payments in pubs does speed things up.

    All we need now is for people to stop buying Guinness and those poncy lagers that dribble out of a tap 6 feet in the air and we'd be sorted.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland are doing a good job of introducing new songs and singing to their rugby crowds. The Proclaimers. Bonny Bonny banks etc

    England should copy. Suggestions for songs?

    Beatles? Hey Jude?

    Wonderwall
    This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us.

    (Like many Sparks songs has very droll lyrics if you can make them out.)
    Wouid anyone know it?

    They need a really thumping singalong chorus

    Pretty Vacant might work?
    The Kinks are very English. But not Lola (unsuitable divisive subject matter) or Waterloo Sunset (too Londoncentric).

    So Sunny Afternoon, say.

    Easy to imagine that rolling around Twickers after a stirring win.
    Nice. The Kinks are an inspired choice - so English - and yes I'd go for Waterloo Sunset or Lola (consider them unifying)
    Mister Woke War can’t do Lola though, I bet 😄
    That was my point. Not so much about Leon specifically but about the rugger crowd. They won't embrace Lola as their anthem because it features a woman with a penis and that flies in the face of commonsense.
    You have been deprived of contact with English rugby players and fans where every one of them has an absolutely hilarious tale about that time they got arseholed in Putney in that private room above the pub singing “father Abraham” naked with their pants on their heads then, as it was one of his stag do’s, Barney was tied to a chair and a stripper walked in and it turned out it was a chick with a dick. It was totally hilaire because Barney was so banjaxxed he didn’t realise until he had the strippers cock resting on top of his head.

    So I think plenty of people at Twickenham are used to the concept of a woman with a penis.
    Also, the posh English rugby crowd already sing a n*gro spiritual, so a song about a ladyboy shouldn't worry them too much
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    But who would have had the downward pressure on the ball if it was a try ?
  • Where the fuck could the ball have gone once it rolled off the foot/leg other than the line?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 10,931

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/

    Sounds a lovely guy. Never used names when an epithet would do. But reading it, they didn't rule he wasn't racist. They said their ruling didn't extend to saying he was or he wasn't.
    I do wonder what

    - The GMC
    - The gynaecologist

    Would make of statements that Hammersmith would be better if free of

    - Black people
    - White people
    - Muslims
    - Hindus
    - Norse worshipers
    - Yazidis
    - Orange people

    Another sign of how muddle-headed people are about these issues.

    They concluded - ridiculously - that "yew" (which was simply his pronunciation of the word "Jew") was a "racially offensive" term.

    Yet despite his yearning for a Jew-free Hammersmith, made no finding as to whether he was a racist (inevitably reported, given the execrable state of journalism today, as a finding that he was "not racist").

  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Taz said:

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    Respect due to @Leon damus

    Should have been a try.

    Cracking match.
    Was it a cracking match?

    Second half was dreadful, but a brilliant ending. Scots were robbed
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339

    Have we discussed this?

    Why cash is king at London’s best pub

    One boozer has found a novel way to look out for its older customer


    Five years ago a government review into access to cash warned that Britain was “sleepwalking into a cashless society”.

    Yes, the proportion of payments made using physical pounds and pence has fallen dramatically but millions of people still rely on cash.

    While businesses large and small have gone card-only, some are fighting back – and thriving as a result.

    Voted London’s best pub by Time Out magazine last year, Skehan’s, in Nunhead, south-east London, has kept prices low and made sure regulars keep coming back by protecting the use of cash.

    While rivals have turned to underhanded methods such as charging customers American-style tips on pints or introducing “surge pricing” for drinking during “peak hours”, the independent family-owned pub has one rule: cash is king.

    Despite the dominance of card payments in recent years, fuelled by the introduction of Apple Pay and Google Pay which allow customers to pay with a wave of their mobile phones, the Irish pub insists all orders under £10 are paid for with cash.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/london-best-pub-fighting-back-war-on-cash-skehans-nunhead/

    Yes. The secret at Skehans is to buy yourself two drinks, if you've got no cash and you're not buying drinks for anyone else. I have to say though, most people do pay with card or app there. It is only a minority paying with cash although I reckon my next door neighbour probably does.
    The best thing about Skehans is that it is incredibly well staffed. I don't think I've ever waited for more than a couple of minutes to get served. It is an awesome pub, so glad that it is a three minute walk from my house!
    Cashless payments in pubs does speed things up.

    All we need now is for people to stop buying Guinness and those poncy lagers that dribble out of a tap 6 feet in the air and we'd be sorted.
    Or effing coffees from those absurd machines
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 2,924

    That is a very poor quality field for the Tories. Is this parade of non-entities and vapid ideologues really the best that our natural party of government has to offer? Labour might be in power for a while at this rate.

    There is a lack of quality on all sides. The rush to the fringes we experienced post 2015 saw an exodus of decent centrists (not just on the parliamentary benches but in the wider party machines and membership); Labour had the first brain drain but the Tories were just a couple of years later. As has been talked about here passim the toxicity of the political career itself really doesn’t not help either.

    Hard to believe at the time that the likes of Hancock and Shapps were not the bottom of the barrel, but so it turned out.

    I think if/when we get PM Starmer and the first Labour cabinet we’ll see a pretty middleweight (at best) bunch, and it is far from obvious who will eventually succeed SKS.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,182
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Scotland are doing a good job of introducing new songs and singing to their rugby crowds. The Proclaimers. Bonny Bonny banks etc

    England should copy. Suggestions for songs?

    Beatles? Hey Jude?

    Wonderwall
    This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us.

    (Like many Sparks songs has very droll lyrics if you can make them out.)
    Wouid anyone know it?

    They need a really thumping singalong chorus

    Pretty Vacant might work?
    The Kinks are very English. But not Lola (unsuitable divisive subject matter) or Waterloo Sunset (too Londoncentric).

    So Sunny Afternoon, say.

    Easy to imagine that rolling around Twickers after a stirring win.
    Nice. The Kinks are an inspired choice - so English - and yes I'd go for Waterloo Sunset or Lola (consider them unifying)
    Mister Woke War can’t do Lola though, I bet 😄
    That was my point. Not so much about Leon specifically but about the rugger crowd. They won't embrace Lola as their anthem because it features a woman with a penis and that flies in the face of commonsense.
    You have been deprived of contact with English rugby players and fans where every one of them has an absolutely hilarious tale about that time they got arseholed in Putney in that private room above the pub singing “father Abraham” naked with their pants on their heads then, as it was one of his stag do’s, Barney was tied to a chair and a stripper walked in and it turned out it was a chick with a dick. It was totally hilaire because Barney was so banjaxxed he didn’t realise until he had the strippers cock resting on top of his head.

    So I think plenty of people at Twickenham are used to the concept of a woman with a penis.
    Also, the posh English rugby crowd already sing a n*gro spiritual, so a song about a ladyboy shouldn't worry them too much
    I would suggest "I'm a Wanker" as the most appropriate song for England Rugby Union supporters.
  • I am fuming at this decision and I am not even Scottish.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,310
    edited February 10
    Certainly if the relatively centrist Sunak and Hunt lose the next general election, the odds are that they will take the blame and the party will shift back in a more rightwing direction.

    If party members alone had the final say Badenoch would be odds on the be next Conservative leader and Leader of the Opposition. However when she stood last summer neither she, nor Braverman nor even Mordaunt go enough support from Tory MPs to make the final 2 to get to the membership.

    Other Cabinet members like Cleverly or Barclay therefore would come into contention as they are more likely to get support amongst Conservative MPs. However Cleverly may have damaged his chances with his poor taste 'date rape' joke so Barclay, a Leaver but not ERG, a former Health Secretary and current Environment Secretary might be a good outside bet to be the Hague or Ed Miliband figure to take over in Opposition. Barclay also backed Sunak for leader last year and I would expect much of Sunak's parliamentary backing to shift to him. Tugendhat would also likely stand again and probably pick up support from the One Nation wing of Tory MPs. Jenrick I don't think has much support in the House or amongst members
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Respect to @Penddu2 for calling the French victory

    Also, Scotland were extremely lucky against Wales, today their luck ran out
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,473

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Doctor who said Hammersmith would be better without Jews not racist, GMC finds

    The gynaecologist was ruled by the doctors’ regulator to be 'comfortable with discriminatory language' and suspended for three months"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/10/doctor-not-racist-jews-antisemitism-three-month-ban-gmc/

    Sounds a lovely guy. Never used names when an epithet would do. But reading it, they didn't rule he wasn't racist. They said their ruling didn't extend to saying he was or he wasn't.
    I do wonder what

    - The GMC
    - The gynaecologist

    Would make of statements that Hammersmith would be better if free of

    - Black people
    - White people
    - Muslims
    - Hindus
    - Norse worshipers
    - Yazidis
    - Orange people
    Yes. Although I'd rather not find out.
    I would.

    If you don’t know, neither the GMC or the gynaecologist are any better or worse. They are no different.

    But if you know, you have facts. Which a valuable things, of themselves.
    Yes but I don't want to unearth a gynaecologist with a grudge against everybody. If one comes forward, fine, but I'm not rooting for it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,310
    edited February 10
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The obvious name missing from this list - and of course I understand why - is Nigel Farage

    I refer you to @MarqueeMark 's comments on this.
    I don't recall what he has opined. What's the gist?

    Farage is a much smarter, cannier politician than anyone on this list. He could electrify the Tories if he took over

    Of course he would drive away many, but he would also attract many; and if the Tories take such a terrible Cholon Ducking in the GE they go under 100 seats, might they not care?

    'Farage can fuck right off.'

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4599280/#Comment_4599280

    Which was on this thread.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/11/10/the-king-over-the-water-for-the-tories/
    lol

    It all depends how bad their defeat is

    It is conceivable they actually go extinct - well under 100 seats, perhaps under 50 - and at that point all bets are off. They may find themselves begging Farage to unite them with Reform, and revive the Right

    If the Tories went under 50 seats Reform would almost certainly have overtaken them, at least on votes, so Farage would effectively be in a position to take the Tories over. If the Tories got 200 seats+ Boris might be tempted by a comeback if he can find a seat in Opposition and the new Tory leader proves a dud, Sunak and Hunt his previous nemesis', having already left the scene after leading the party to general election defeat
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,180
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    Respect due to @Leon damus

    Should have been a try.

    Cracking match.
    Was it a cracking match?

    Second half was dreadful, but a brilliant ending. Scots were robbed
    Yes, the second half was tedious ping pong. Normally when teams dish that out they get accused of destroying the game.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,310

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Dave has more chance of LD members electing him next LD leader than Conservative members electing him next Conservative leader ie zero
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    Respect due to @Leon damus

    Should have been a try.

    Cracking match.
    Was it a cracking match?

    Second half was dreadful, but a brilliant ending. Scots were robbed
    Yes, the second half was tedious ping pong. Normally when teams dish that out they get accused of destroying the game.
    Scotland had multiple chances so stretch their lead and win the game. Tut
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,182
    HYUFD said:

    Certainly if the relatively centrist Sunak and Hunt lose the next general election, the odds are that they will take the blame and the party will shift back in a more rightwing direction.

    If party members alone had the final say Badenoch would be odds on the be next Conservative leader and Leader of the Opposition. However when she stood last summer neither she, nor Braverman nor even Mordaunt go enough support from Tory MPs to make the final 2 to get to the membership.

    Other Cabinet members like Cleverly or Barclay therefore would come into contention as they are more likely to get support amongst Conservative MPs. However Cleverly may have damaged his chances with his poor taste 'date rape' joke so Barclay, a Leaver but not ERG, a former Health Secretary and current Environment Secretary might be a good outside bet to be the Hague or Ed Miliband figure to take over in Opposition. Barclay also backed Sunak for leader last year and I would expect much of Sunak's parliamentary backing to shift to him. Tugendhat would also likely stand again and probably pick up support from the One Nation wing of Tory MPs. Jenrick I don't think has much support in the House or amongst members

    Regarding Barclay, I'm not sure that "Continuity Abject Failure" is a recipe for success.
  • HYUFD said:

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Dave has more chance of LD members electing him next LD leader than Conservative members electing him next Conservative leader ie zero
    You need to read, I am talking about the next PM market.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    Respect due to @Leon damus

    Should have been a try.

    Cracking match.
    Was it a cracking match?

    Second half was dreadful, but a brilliant ending. Scots were robbed
    Yes, the second half was tedious ping pong. Normally when teams dish that out they get accused of destroying the game.
    No, it was a cracking game.

    It was tense and it was close. Was it a classic or technicallly brilliant, Of course not, but it was entertaining. Ping pong. For a minute or so out of 40.
  • eek said:

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Read the Tory party constitution - Dave needs to be an MP. Firstly he isn't one and secondly exactly where is a safe seat going to appear that the current tory party could win in a byelection..
    But this is about the next PM market, do not need to be an MP to be PM.
    Conservative PM must be Conservative party leader who must be an MP. What is often missed is that if you squint hard enough, Cameron can be an MP while keeping his peerage provided he rescinds his right to sit in the Lords. (And iirc but cannot be bothered to check, is that he can be Tory leader without being a member of the party, but they might have fixed that loophole.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,310

    HYUFD said:

    I think Dave is the one if Sunak falls under a bus and we need a PM PDQ for emergencies but I am not backing that eventuality.

    Dave has more chance of LD members electing him next LD leader than Conservative members electing him next Conservative leader ie zero
    You need to read, I am talking about the next PM market.
    He wouldn't get that either, Tory MPs wouldn't pick him now either and he couldn't do the job from the Lords. He can be FS there but that is it
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    The curse of Leondamus strikes again.

    Edit - What a bollocks decision by the TMO.

    Respect due to @Leon damus

    Should have been a try.

    Cracking match.
    Was it a cracking match?

    Second half was dreadful, but a brilliant ending. Scots were robbed
    It was close, tense and dramatic. It was compelling. It was great drama.

    I’ve enjoyed watching it far more than games that are technically better but not as close.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Presumably the Nick Berry from the Rugby isn’t the one from Heartbeat
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