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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    LOL that football has suspended their “Blue Card” idea.

    They still like the sin bin idea, which is good, but they managed to screw up the announcement and process
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,550
    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Section 3 of the Regency Act 1937 states that the Regent is the next in line, subject to being of age etc. Parliament does not decide, except if there is a new Act of course.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/body
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,122
    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Hugh Laurie would make a prefect Prince Regent.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    Sandpit said:

    LOL that football has suspended their “Blue Card” idea.

    They still like the sin bin idea, which is good, but they managed to screw up the announcement and process

    So its got 10 weeks on the sidelines to think about it and come back better?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197
    kinabalu said:

    Given how dirty the GOP/MAGA team play - eg this Hur 'report' - do people think there's value @ 10 in Biden being impeached?

    No.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,453
    HYUFD said:

    linto said:

    This thread from the FT showing why young people aren't conservative these days should be massively worrying for the cons and their current trajectory, I doubt it will make much impact on them though.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1755915215995113526?t=8TUF20XNz3EIa6w_yUSjXg&s=19

    Brexit, the need for more affordable housing and the fact after 10 years of Tory rule are all factors.

    However as the chart shows, other western conservative parties do not have as big an age gap in their support, so things can change, even if in all nations sampled the old vote more conservative than the young
    Here's the funny bit;

    What we actually see is that young people who look like they *should be Tories* are not Tories.

    Here’s the US for comparison.

    Young or old, conservative Americans vote Republican. But many young Brits with Conservative-aligned views and circumstances don’t vote Tory.


    https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1755915255136276781

    The reason I say funny is that the Conservative successes of 2015-9 were driven by Red Wall Theory- the idea that there were people in northern towns who really ought to be voting Conservative, but weren't. But by leaning towards them, especially with social conservatism, Nimbyomics and B*****, the Conservative party has repelled younger people who, in previous decades, would by now be skipping along the path to being loyal Tories.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,855
    Is anyone doing a book on whether there will be TV debates in the US election? I'd like to bet against....
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    linto said:

    This thread from the FT showing why young people aren't conservative these days should be massively worrying for the cons and their current trajectory, I doubt it will make much impact on them though.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1755915215995113526?t=8TUF20XNz3EIa6w_yUSjXg&s=19

    Highly recommend that thread. Only partly because it makes a point I made yesterday...

    "The expectation that they will one day be among the haves, rather than have-nots, has long propelled many young people to vote Conservative."
    When conservatives look after the material interests of a voter block, that voter block votes for the conservatives. The Most people under 50 are not in that category. So most people under 50 are not voting conservative. Pretty simple.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,453

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    So who else do the Dems have and why haven't we heard of them up to now?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    Are Biden and the King both double vaxxed?
  • Leon said:

    I’m watching Tucker Putin. It is exceptionally dull at the beginning when Putin wanks on about Russian history

    On the other hand Putin knows his obsessive shit and he doesn’t mistake Mexico for Egypt

    Give him time and he will try and add both of them to the Rodina
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197
    Blimey.
    Apparently someone took mad Nad seriously.

    Kemi Badenoch says death threats have ‘intensified’ since publication of Nadine Dorries book
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/09/labour-u-turn-keir-starmer-rachel-reeves-rishi-sunak-tory-conservatives-latest-politics-news-updates

    Both bizarre, and genuinely worrying.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    edited February 9
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    SNP's lead? Given all the posts we see from Scotch experts on here on SNP troubles, I assumed they were at (England) Tory levels of support!

    ETA: And Starner is some senior SNP bod who reacted to the falling poll lead news with 'God!' ? :wink:

    ETA2: Oh, and first like, um, the SNP?

    Agree, this is a good poll for the SNP not Labour. Their leadership chaos not been in the news so much recently possibly having an impact along with them benefitting from Labours position on the Israel-Palestinian war. Would expect it to be closer by the GE.
    On the other hand, there's more to worry about for Slab in terms of London HQ and their overlord SKS. Labour in Scotland have been pretending to be a leftie party - the Rutherglen by election was a prize example of adopting SNP policies for expedience. The more attention SKS gets and the more he trims his sails to the much larger market in England the more the discrepancy will become clear. Interesting.
    I think Labour are a lefty party, though Starmer is something of an unknown himself. As equally likely to be unexpectedly left-wing as the opposite - he has, for example, been exposed to the more extreme symptoms of poverty throughout his career.

    But I entirely agree on the England/Scotland tradeoff. It depends where the marginal gains are - in England, most likely, due to the much larger number of seats. It would be smart to give Sarwar a much higher profile on the campaign literature to help dispel the effect though.

    While personally deeply disappointed, I think the line of the green stuff is fine from an electoral POV - gives him an opportunity to jump in on Tory mismanagement of the public finances over and over again and closes off an obvious attack.
    Fair enough. Labour lefty? Not according to the Electoral Compass analyses - Labour definitely well on the way to joining the LDs. But that's a quibble. And tomorrow is tomorrow.

    Look also at SKS doing U-turns on such things as deigning to allow the Scots an indyref for which they voted to have, no doubt to try and avoid the repeat of 'In Salmond's pocket' posters, photoshopped for SKS and Mr Yousaf. So they can't differentiate too much anyway, and oif course the "national" media in London will give SKS lots of attention which will overwhelm the 3 minutes Mr Sarwar gets if he is lucky ... it's not as if the latter is leader of a political party anyway, as the Electoral Commission knows very well.
    Not sure how more Sarwar fixes anything, his main function is to find some way of smoothing over reverse ferrets on positions of principle(sic) that no longer fit in with the Starmer plan. Lab/SLab's mantra is vote for us for change; that change seems to be that the Scottish sub branch office is more of a sub branch office than ever.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 9
    carnforth said:

    Is anyone doing a book on whether there will be TV debates in the US election? I'd like to bet against....

    Rule No1 of betting is that you should know what price you think the outcome should be, and see what’s on offer, before you declare what you’d like to do

    For instance, if the prices were 1/10 there won’t be TV debates in the US election, and 10/1 there will be, what would you do?
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    edited February 9

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    I think Biden made clear with his speech he still intends to stand - unless the plan is and always has been to leave this to get bashed out at the convention. You don't immediately talk about how this exonerates you and you're not a criminal like Trump if you're intending on gracefully moving out of the picture.

    Trump and King William - that would be a funny state visit... "I always admired your mother, you know, a great pair, just a great pair. And those legs. You know, she never mentioned publicly, but we dated - maybe I'm your real father. Just saying, it could be true, could be true."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197
    edited February 9
    148grss said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    I think Biden made clear with his speech he still intends to stand - unless the plan is and always has been to leave this to get bashed out at the convention. You don't immediately talk about how this exonerates you and you're not a criminal like Trump if you're intending on gracefully moving out of the picture.

    Trump and King William - that would be a funny state visit... "I always admired your mother, you know, a great pair, just a great pair. And those legs. You know, she never mentioned publicly, but we dated - maybe I'm your real father. Just saying, it could be true, could be true."
    If the election were next month, he'd be a dead cert to run.
    But it's not.

    As for Trump, that was denied - though he 'could have'.
    https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-sex-princess-diana-hiv-test-howard-stern-interview/
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197
    Leon said:

    I’m watching Tucker Putin. It is exceptionally dull at the beginning when Putin wanks on about Russian history

    On the other hand Putin knows his obsessive shit and he doesn’t mistake Mexico for Egypt

    Yes sadly Putin comes across as more impressive than our current crop of western politicians. Not a high bar to be sure.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    148grss said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    I think Biden made clear with his speech he still intends to stand - unless the plan is and always has been to leave this to get bashed out at the convention. You don't immediately talk about how this exonerates you and you're not a criminal like Trump if you're intending on gracefully moving out of the picture.

    Trump and King William - that would be a funny state visit... "I always admired your mother, you know, a great pair, just a great pair. And those legs. You know, she never mentioned publicly, but we dated - maybe I'm your real father. Just saying, it could be true, could be true."
    Uncanny reproduction of the Trump schtik.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    What possible relationship does KCIII’s health have with the cognitive decline of POTUS?

    Both are reasonable subjects for speculation, I just don’t see the automatic link
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    So who else do the Dems have and why haven't we heard of them up to now?
    I mean the person who has done the most manoeuvring is Gavin Newsom. He's been doing spots on Fox, had a televised debate with DeSantis, has been visiting some states (although not the ones that are clearly early primary states, but still). I think he has it on his mind that weird stuff may happen at the convention or the VP slot is going to open up. I mean, he may have a deal with Kamala and the WH to switch jobs - if his team backed Kamala for Cali governor and he slid onto the ticket, that could help ease any painful ego on Kamala's part.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,653
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Given how dirty the GOP/MAGA team play - eg this Hur 'report' - do people think there's value @ 10 in Biden being impeached?

    No.
    Good thanks. I didn't fancy doing it. There's a limit to this 'desiccated betting machine' business.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Doesn’t this graph imply it was some other party’s fault?

    The UK’s Conservative party is on the brink of a generational wipeout. The single most important factor driving this is the dramatic breakdown of upward social mobility on.ft.com/3SSPGeP




    https://x.com/ft/status/1755925035284320433?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    So who else do the Dems have and why haven't we heard of them up to now?
    I’ve no idea.
    The DNC have completely fucked this up, it’s true.
    The best time to have dealt with this was some years ago. The next best time is today.

  • HarperHarper Posts: 197
    AlsoLei said:

    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    FF43 said:

    Can't claim to have watched every minute of Putin's two hour session with Carlson but a couple of mini takes. Putin starts the session with "If I may I'll spend 30 seconds covering the history. Half an hour later he had got to the 19th Century having started in the 8th Century. Tucker finally gets in a weak "That's very interesting". Which in a way it is because Putin seems genuinely motivated by historical grievance.

    The look on Tucker's face when Putin says "You are" in response to who cut Nordstream. ("You will leave for the Siberian work camp following this interview. Ha! Only joking")

    A coup for Carlson to get Putin but I have a feeling it didn't turn out exactly as he hoped. Putin isn't one of them. He's a highly focused spy chief and dictator while MAGA is self indulgence.

    Yeah, I spent only a few minutes skipping through it, so maybe I missed some of the better bits - but from what I saw it was deathly dull with Putin doing his hard-faced bulldozer routine, and Carlson mostly looking lost.

    88 million Twitter impressions at the time of writing - so fewer than his interviews with Andrew Tate or Viktor Orban, and a fifth of the one he did with Javier Milei. When you convert it to actual viewership, it'll be around what Laura Kuenssberg gets when she interviews Sunak or Starmer.

    So much for the most-watched interview in history!

    As an aside, Twitter desperately needs to improve its video player - a youtube-like graph showing the most-watched bits would do wonders for something like this. Hardly anyone's going to sit through the whole 2 hours of droning, but plenty might be willing to watch the good bits if they were easy to find.
    I cant imagine more than a couple of million sat through the whole 2 hours. Then maybe another 5 to 10 million watched lengthy segments but not the whole thing.
    There's no way that anything like that many will have sat through the whole thing. It wouldn't even have made good background watching whilst doing something else.

    As for watching lengthy segments... really? Which lengthy segments are worth watching? Were there any? And even if there were, you can't even give me a link to them since Twitter's basic video player is so poor.

    Sure, plenty of people will see clips once others have done the work of finding the best bits and uploading them to youtube or wherever. But, right now, absolutely no-one is excitedly posting "hey, seek to around 84m37s, and watch the 15 minute segment that follows - it's really interesting!"
    Well Joey Barton on twitter has just announced he sat through the whole thing so theres that.
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197

    IanB2 said:

    mwadams said:

    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:

    Here’s a tricky one

    Vladimir Putin has claimed Boris Johnson is to blame for the continuation of the war in Ukraine.

    The Russian President said he was ready to end the war 18 months ago, but that the former Prime Minister put pressure on Ukraine's leaders to back out of the peace deal. Johnson has dismissed the claims as ‘propaganda’.

    https://x.com/gmb/status/1755841716576206872?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Even PB couldn't blame Boris for this one, right? Well maybe @Scott_xP could... 😂
    My idle speculation about why Putin is *so furious* with Johnson is that Putin assumed that he was in his pocket (a la Trump), and is incensed to learn that being a suck-up when all things are equal does not translate into being a shill when the bullets start flying. One of the few things which stands to Johnson's credit.
    The fact that he was so compromised and potentially tainted by his top level russian contacts (remember the visit to Italy when he shook loose his security?) is of course why Johnson had to pull his finger out when the Ukraine issue broke.
    Russia's long-term strategy is to break up Western unity any which way. Brexit was one (thanks, Johnson); mass migration is another (thanks, Assad); US isolation is another (thanks, Trump). Every useful idiot has a role to play.
    Russian thinking is much more sophisticated than the wests generally and much more long term.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    So who else do the Dems have and why haven't we heard of them up to now?
    I’ve no idea.
    The DNC have completely fucked this up, it’s true.
    The best time to have dealt with this was some years ago. The next best time is today.

    There's a fair number of strong potential candidates other than Harris, and no obvious route for any if them.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    isam said:

    Doesn’t this graph imply it was some other party’s fault?

    The UK’s Conservative party is on the brink of a generational wipeout. The single most important factor driving this is the dramatic breakdown of upward social mobility on.ft.com/3SSPGeP




    https://x.com/ft/status/1755925035284320433?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The Tories - once the party of aspiration - have made it even worse, as eloquently outlined by a poster upthread.

    You can’t run a nation, build an economy, and ultimately - win an election - by pandering to 65+.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    He has made quite clear he will stand again and is already ahead in the delegate count, Biden could be on a life support machine and in a coma and still get 45-50% of the vote against Trump anyway.

    He just needs to hold most of the states he won in 2020 (many of which remember Hillary lost to Trump) and hope Trump's trials get a criminal conviction
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197
    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    FF43 said:

    Can't claim to have watched every minute of Putin's two hour session with Carlson but a couple of mini takes. Putin starts the session with "If I may I'll spend 30 seconds covering the history. Half an hour later he had got to the 19th Century having started in the 8th Century. Tucker finally gets in a weak "That's very interesting". Which in a way it is because Putin seems genuinely motivated by historical grievance.

    The look on Tucker's face when Putin says "You are" in response to who cut Nordstream. ("You will leave for the Siberian work camp following this interview. Ha! Only joking")

    A coup for Carlson to get Putin but I have a feeling it didn't turn out exactly as he hoped. Putin isn't one of them. He's a highly focused spy chief and dictator while MAGA is self indulgence.

    Yeah, I spent only a few minutes skipping through it, so maybe I missed some of the better bits - but from what I saw it was deathly dull with Putin doing his hard-faced bulldozer routine, and Carlson mostly looking lost.

    88 million Twitter impressions at the time of writing - so fewer than his interviews with Andrew Tate or Viktor Orban, and a fifth of the one he did with Javier Milei. When you convert it to actual viewership, it'll be around what Laura Kuenssberg gets when she interviews Sunak or Starmer.

    So much for the most-watched interview in history!

    As an aside, Twitter desperately needs to improve its video player - a youtube-like graph showing the most-watched bits would do wonders for something like this. Hardly anyone's going to sit through the whole 2 hours of droning, but plenty might be willing to watch the good bits if they were easy to find.
    I cant imagine more than a couple of million sat through the whole 2 hours. Then maybe another 5 to 10 million watched lengthy segments but not the whole thing.
    There's no way that anything like that many will have sat through the whole thing. It wouldn't even have made good background watching whilst doing something else.

    As for watching lengthy segments... really? Which lengthy segments are worth watching? Were there any? And even if there were, you can't even give me a link to them since Twitter's basic video player is so poor.

    Sure, plenty of people will see clips once others have done the work of finding the best bits and uploading them to youtube or wherever. But, right now, absolutely no-one is excitedly posting "hey, seek to around 84m37s, and watch the 15 minute segment that follows - it's really interesting!"
    Well Joey Barton on twitter has just announced he sat through the whole thing so theres that.
    Was that part of some community service order ?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683
    148grss said:

    Wes Streeting needs to be front and centre of Lab's election campaign.

    He's a top class communicator with last night's QT as just one example.

    The man who can never stop talking about how pleased he is to have the opportunity to sell off bits of the NHS? Sure fire way to make SKS's incoming government even more unpopular.
    The NHS isn't for sale. What will happen will be services will be commissioned by the NHS - this is not 'selling' the NHS, despite what lefties like to chant.

    Realistically people in the UK need to look at how healthcare is delivered in other countries. The NHS is great in many ways, but its not the only way to provide universal healthcare. The idea of free at the point of use can be maintained in other ways (mandated health insurance that is genuinely linked to health provision, for instance).
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 9

    isam said:

    Doesn’t this graph imply it was some other party’s fault?

    The UK’s Conservative party is on the brink of a generational wipeout. The single most important factor driving this is the dramatic breakdown of upward social mobility on.ft.com/3SSPGeP




    https://x.com/ft/status/1755925035284320433?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The Tories - once the party of aspiration - have made it even worse, as eloquently outlined by a poster upthread.

    You can’t run a nation, build an economy, and ultimately - win an election - by pandering to 65+.
    Does that graph show they’ve made it worse? Looks like it’s more or less the same to me while they’ve been in charge, following 15 years of decline
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    edited February 9
    Leon said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    What possible relationship does KCIII’s health have with the cognitive decline of POTUS?

    Both are reasonable subjects for speculation, I just don’t see the automatic link
    Just the parallel.

    Two essentially incapacitated heads of state, while the official story is “nothing (or not much) to see here”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    Harper said:
    To be fair Putin has lost it recently.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    Well, that was grim. Someone collapsed at the pool; staff and medics were doing CPR as I left.

    Fuckety fuck fuck.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894

    HYUFD said:

    linto said:

    This thread from the FT showing why young people aren't conservative these days should be massively worrying for the cons and their current trajectory, I doubt it will make much impact on them though.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1755915215995113526?t=8TUF20XNz3EIa6w_yUSjXg&s=19

    Brexit, the need for more affordable housing and the fact after 10 years of Tory rule are all factors.

    However as the chart shows, other western conservative parties do not have as big an age gap in their support, so things can change, even if in all nations sampled the old vote more conservative than the young
    Here's the funny bit;

    What we actually see is that young people who look like they *should be Tories* are not Tories.

    Here’s the US for comparison.

    Young or old, conservative Americans vote Republican. But many young Brits with Conservative-aligned views and circumstances don’t vote Tory.


    https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1755915255136276781

    The reason I say funny is that the Conservative successes of 2015-9 were driven by Red Wall Theory- the idea that there were people in northern towns who really ought to be voting Conservative, but weren't. But by leaning towards them, especially with social conservatism, Nimbyomics and B*****, the Conservative party has repelled younger people who, in previous decades, would by now be skipping along the path to being loyal Tories.
    Social conservativsm? The pro gay marriage, pro abortion Tories who still preside over record immigration are hardly that bar Brexit.

    Yes they need to build more homes but a lot of Tory councils lost control to nimby LDs/Independents/Greens in May precisely when their local plans proposed that.

    Brexit is an issue but more young people voted for Brexit than are voting Tory now, Tory leakage to Reform is not a problem Trump's GOP has to deal with. If on the other hand Haley somehow was GOP nominee and Trump went independent they would have a problem
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Fascinating. Why is UK so different?

    "Furthermore, fears that generous aid during the pandemic would undermine America’s work ethic — that adults would leave the labor force and never come back — proved totally wrong. A new paper from the San Francisco Fed is titled “Why Is Prime-Age Labor Force Participation So High?” It notes that Americans between 25 and 54 are more likely to be in the work force now than they were at any time since the early 2000s."

    NY Times

    Poor work ethics and far better benefits, simple. No free houses in USA , you geta small cheque and you are on your own, no spoon feeding there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    148grss said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    So who else do the Dems have and why haven't we heard of them up to now?
    I mean the person who has done the most manoeuvring is Gavin Newsom. He's been doing spots on Fox, had a televised debate with DeSantis, has been visiting some states (although not the ones that are clearly early primary states, but still). I think he has it on his mind that weird stuff may happen at the convention or the VP slot is going to open up. I mean, he may have a deal with Kamala and the WH to switch jobs - if his team backed Kamala for Cali governor and he slid onto the ticket, that could help ease any painful ego on Kamala's part.
    A California governor is not who the Dems need to hold the rustbelt states Biden won
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002

    148grss said:

    Wes Streeting needs to be front and centre of Lab's election campaign.

    He's a top class communicator with last night's QT as just one example.

    The man who can never stop talking about how pleased he is to have the opportunity to sell off bits of the NHS? Sure fire way to make SKS's incoming government even more unpopular.
    The NHS isn't for sale. What will happen will be services will be commissioned by the NHS - this is not 'selling' the NHS, despite what lefties like to chant.

    Realistically people in the UK need to look at how healthcare is delivered in other countries. The NHS is great in many ways, but its not the only way to provide universal healthcare. The idea of free at the point of use can be maintained in other ways (mandated health insurance that is genuinely linked to health provision, for instance).
    No other OECD county has copied an NHS, yet no-one thinks why.

    Look at what works really well elsewhere, and copy that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197
    ."Jury rules for climate scientist Michael Mann in long-running defamation case -- Verdict punishes bloggers who compared scientist’s global warming work to molestation" by Paul Voosen (@voooos) for @ScienceMagazine ...
    https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1755947825286852865

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Section 3 of the Regency Act 1937 states that the Regent is the next in line, subject to being of age etc. Parliament does not decide, except if there is a new Act of course.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/body
    'A person shall be disqualified from becoming or being Regent, if he is not a British subject of full age and domiciled in some part of the United Kingdom,' so that rules out Harry and Parliament would surely amend the Act to remove Andrew, so that leaves Anne
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,002
    isam said:

    Doesn’t this graph imply it was some other party’s fault?

    The UK’s Conservative party is on the brink of a generational wipeout. The single most important factor driving this is the dramatic breakdown of upward social mobility on.ft.com/3SSPGeP




    https://x.com/ft/status/1755925035284320433?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    BUILD MORE HOUSES!!!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    IanB2 said:

    148grss said:

    Wes Streeting needs to be front and centre of Lab's election campaign.

    He's a top class communicator with last night's QT as just one example.

    The man who can never stop talking about how pleased he is to have the opportunity to sell off bits of the NHS? Sure fire way to make SKS's incoming government even more unpopular.
    I’m quite conflicted on Streeting. I served eight years with him on my London Council, and interacted with him both in public and in private meetings, especially during the years when the council was balanced with no overall control.

    If I had to sort people in public life into good guys and bad guys, he would go into the good guy column. His backstory is impressive and I am sure his motivation, in the round, is good. He’s certainly a capable and rising politician, if perhaps with self-confidence running somewhat ahead of his insight and ability. If he becomes our health minister after the GE I’d be cheering him on in what is often a poisoned chalice.

    Yet I’ve seen him in the council chamber, cynically speaking against, in administration, the very things that his colleagues had championed in opposition. I stood next to him in a public meeting with the Borough’s voluntary sector, in 2014, when he made them a promise that he broke not once, but three times, as soon as his party got into power.

    Streeting would sell his grandmother if it was a choice between that, or his career, and has passed age 40 with little work experience beyond the world of politics and pressure groups, and opened this week’s QT with a diatribe that reminded us of the shouty student politico that has always been his public persona.

    I wish him well, but I’d guess it’s 50/50 whether his legacy will be that of someone from a disadvantaged background who went on to achieve great things, or of someone who was always from the beginning a careerist politico who will eventually leave our national politics in no better a state than he found it.
    Fascinating, thank you.
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Yes. His image has been carefully polished the last few years but there were always concerns he didnt do enough.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    What possible relationship does KCIII’s health have with the cognitive decline of POTUS?

    Both are reasonable subjects for speculation, I just don’t see the automatic link
    Just the parallel.

    Two essentially incapacitated heads of state, while the official story is “nothing (or not much) to see here”
    Only one has the nuclear football

    I agree there is no way back for Biden from this. It was a disastrous day for him
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    Sandpit said:

    148grss said:

    Wes Streeting needs to be front and centre of Lab's election campaign.

    He's a top class communicator with last night's QT as just one example.

    The man who can never stop talking about how pleased he is to have the opportunity to sell off bits of the NHS? Sure fire way to make SKS's incoming government even more unpopular.
    The NHS isn't for sale. What will happen will be services will be commissioned by the NHS - this is not 'selling' the NHS, despite what lefties like to chant.

    Realistically people in the UK need to look at how healthcare is delivered in other countries. The NHS is great in many ways, but its not the only way to provide universal healthcare. The idea of free at the point of use can be maintained in other ways (mandated health insurance that is genuinely linked to health provision, for instance).
    No other OECD county has copied an NHS, yet no-one thinks why.

    Look at what works really well elsewhere, and copy that.
    NZ essentially has an NHS.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,653
    edited February 9
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon and William do have a point. It's not whether Biden is more demented than Trump - I'm not sure he is and in any case he's clearly a better person and actually not a bad president on his track record.

    No. For the rest of us Biden's primary task is to stop Trump. He managed that successfully in 2020 when others maybe wouldn't have. Will he manage it again in 2024? If not, we need someone else.

    He may or may not be in the early stages of dementia (people being definitive either way are ignorable) but there’s no doubt about the lapses and frailty. He’s been a good president but he really shouldn’t be offering himself for a 2nd term. I hope he has a change of heart and doesn’t. I think this is very possible.

    With the shit swirling around both of them I’m of the view that the ‘nailed on’ Trump Biden rematch is no more than a 50/50 shot to happen. I have it laid at 1.4 and I’m happy with that. But if it does happen I’ll be rooting 1000% for Joe. If he wins and then has to stand down at some point due to health reasons, so what. It will be managed. The risks of Trump2 are on a different scale.

    So in a nutshell what I say is, “Go Joe please”, but if you don’t “Go Joe!”
    Have you not had someone close suffer dementia?

    If not, count yourself lucky, it is deeply painful to watch - possibly worse for the witnesses than it is for the demented

    My mum was diagnosed with it last year, it distresses me greatly. I've also watched my older daughter's great granmother and now grandmother go down with it. I was quite close to the latter. And I've seen it in aunts, the parents of friends, etc. It is one of the great curses of modern times. we can keep people alive so long, but we can't save their minds

    Biden looks exactly like these people, the dodderiness. the vagueness, the wandering, the truly spectacular memory losses, the confusion of identities, the decay of syntax in the speech, the inability to string sentences together; indeed, he looks like quite an advanced case. So bad, as the legal report says, that he cannot be prosecuted. He is too senile to stand trial - that is their judgement. Let that sink in

    Biden is right there in front of us, exhibiting all this. It is not some kind of pro-Trump propaganda to point this out

    And, if you really want Trump beaten, it is better that this is accepted and Biden is persuaded to retire, and they find someone younger

    I still quite like my idea of Kamala, with Barack Obama as veep (if that is legal). I reckon that would beat Trump soundly
    Er, I just said I hope Biden doesn't run. So, yes. And it's a piece of cake to distinguish reasonable concerns about his age and health from Trumpist propaganda. You just look at the language, the tone, and who it's coming from.

    On the dementia, I'm sorry to hear this about your mum, and snap. Mine got an AD diagnosis a year ago, sadly. And boy is it sad. Worse for my dad, probably, at the moment. He's become a fulltime carer at 90.
    Sympathies right back at you. It is a pretty horrific illness. It is terrible to say, but it might have been better if my poor Mum had keeled over with a heart attack a few years back (she's had a pacemaker for a decade). But we are where we are

    The only saving grace for my Mum is that her partner also has dementia and is losing the plot at about the same pace, and they are in nice sheltered housing. So they are kind of sinking together, half aware of things

    To be sane and lucid, like your father, and forced to care for a demented spouse, God that's tough

    One reason I am sure Biden has dementia is his way of interweaving real stories (eg about his dead son Beau) with clear confabulations (Beau did not die in Fallujah), constructing a new reality impromptu, for no obvious reason. My mum does this constantly

    I think it is the brain replacing missing memories, in a kind of panic, to create any old narrative, even if obviously bogus. Very sad
    No that's not a terrible thing to think or say. I'm not wishing a long drawn out decline on my Mum. However calling people with AD "demented" - this, whilst no lie, isn't a great innovation imo. Still, you're the writer.

    Joe and "the journey"? Is he on it? If so where? I truly don't know. There's not enough in the public domain for me to say. Certainly not enough to be issuing a firm diagnosis. But ok, you clearly feel you can.
    The problem is - for the Dems as much as the GOP - that the right have been crying wolf on this for so long that everyone discounts it.

    But the odds are no longer in Biden's favour.
    Hmm, the famous "priced in" - to which the only response is "will it still sell?"

    I find your last sentence a tad concerning, if you mean vs Trump, you being one of the founding members of the Trump Bear club. TBH the only thing I'm certain of right now is I have no idea where this is all going or how it's going to get there.

    Fwiw when I spool forward a year and picture who's in the White House, that person is neither Donald Trump nor Joe Biden.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,882

    isam said:

    Here’s a tricky one

    Vladimir Putin has claimed Boris Johnson is to blame for the continuation of the war in Ukraine.

    The Russian President said he was ready to end the war 18 months ago, but that the former Prime Minister put pressure on Ukraine's leaders to back out of the peace deal. Johnson has dismissed the claims as ‘propaganda’.

    https://x.com/gmb/status/1755841716576206872?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    He's been saying this for a while. As far as I can make out based on some excellent podcasts (War on the Rocks and Geopolitics Decanted) what actually happened was that there was a negotiation, but it was stuck on what the Russians euphemistically called "neutrality". Their demand was that there be no more foreign military support for Ukraine, and western-supplied weapons be removed. Since the only place Ukraine was going to get weapons to defend themselves was from the west, this was effectively a demand that Ukraine demilitarize.

    This was happening in April, 2022, after Putin had attempted a full invasion of Ukraine and been partially repelled. They'd managed to get the Russians away from Kiev, and discovered the horrific war crimes at Bucha. Previously there had been multiple deals with Russia that Russia had broken, and after they invaded Crimea they'd said they had no intention of invading the rest of Ukraine. Initially (before the Ukrainians inflicted a partial defeat on them) they'd been making much more extensive demands, for example that the elected leaders of Ukraine be handed over and put on trial. So obviously if Ukraine disarmed it wouldn't be long before Putin came back for the rest of the country and tried again to do what he'd just failed to do.

    It seems to be true that when Boris Johnson visited Kiev he told them that they'd be absolutely barking mad to do a deal with Russia on those terms. But not having cornflakes for brains, the Ukrainians already knew this.
    I'm also slightly interested in what, exactly, Putin thinks he's going to get if he wins.
    Let's say Ukraine folds today, at 5pm, giving Russia everything it wants. Zelensky and the Army chiefs are rounded up and shot, along with 100,000 others. Putin claims they went on holiday to Siberia and doesn't know where they are.

    What does he think will happen then? That every country that used to do deals with him will believe a word he says? That he can do more 'deals'?

    No one would deal with Russia under Putin on anything other than 'cash and carry' (and those are his supposed allies like Iran and China) because any other deal (like paying for gas upfront - or an agreement not to invade somewhere) would be broken as soon as Putin felt like it.

    Putin hasn't realised, but Russia cannot be a normal country again until he's gone. No one will do any long term deals with the country. If Russia/Putin wants something, some bastard will sell it to him, but its payment in advance. No credit given.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    edited February 9
    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Yes. His image has been carefully polished the last few years but there were always concerns he didnt do enough.
    Congrats Harper. You’re the first Russian troll to do a passable imitation of normality. Capital letters, no weird ellipses…
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197

    Leon said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    What possible relationship does KCIII’s health have with the cognitive decline of POTUS?

    Both are reasonable subjects for speculation, I just don’t see the automatic link
    Just the parallel.

    Two essentially incapacitated heads of state, while the official story is “nothing (or not much) to see here”
    The only relationship would be if they had both had a similar medical procedure in the last few years.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    ...
    isam said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    Are Biden and the King both double vaxyxe?
    Not funny.

    Off to Siberia with you.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    It isn't just home ownership of course. There's a sense that opportunities are shrinking more generally.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500
    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    FF43 said:

    Can't claim to have watched every minute of Putin's two hour session with Carlson but a couple of mini takes. Putin starts the session with "If I may I'll spend 30 seconds covering the history. Half an hour later he had got to the 19th Century having started in the 8th Century. Tucker finally gets in a weak "That's very interesting". Which in a way it is because Putin seems genuinely motivated by historical grievance.

    The look on Tucker's face when Putin says "You are" in response to who cut Nordstream. ("You will leave for the Siberian work camp following this interview. Ha! Only joking")

    A coup for Carlson to get Putin but I have a feeling it didn't turn out exactly as he hoped. Putin isn't one of them. He's a highly focused spy chief and dictator while MAGA is self indulgence.

    Yeah, I spent only a few minutes skipping through it, so maybe I missed some of the better bits - but from what I saw it was deathly dull with Putin doing his hard-faced bulldozer routine, and Carlson mostly looking lost.

    88 million Twitter impressions at the time of writing - so fewer than his interviews with Andrew Tate or Viktor Orban, and a fifth of the one he did with Javier Milei. When you convert it to actual viewership, it'll be around what Laura Kuenssberg gets when she interviews Sunak or Starmer.

    So much for the most-watched interview in history!

    As an aside, Twitter desperately needs to improve its video player - a youtube-like graph showing the most-watched bits would do wonders for something like this. Hardly anyone's going to sit through the whole 2 hours of droning, but plenty might be willing to watch the good bits if they were easy to find.
    I cant imagine more than a couple of million sat through the whole 2 hours. Then maybe another 5 to 10 million watched lengthy segments but not the whole thing.
    There's no way that anything like that many will have sat through the whole thing. It wouldn't even have made good background watching whilst doing something else.

    As for watching lengthy segments... really? Which lengthy segments are worth watching? Were there any? And even if there were, you can't even give me a link to them since Twitter's basic video player is so poor.

    Sure, plenty of people will see clips once others have done the work of finding the best bits and uploading them to youtube or wherever. But, right now, absolutely no-one is excitedly posting "hey, seek to around 84m37s, and watch the 15 minute segment that follows - it's really interesting!"
    Well Joey Barton on twitter has just announced he sat through the whole thing so theres that.
    Who? Google only suggests a footballer from the noughties...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317

    It isn't just home ownership of course. There's a sense that opportunities are shrinking more generally.

    Rent / House prices
    Stagnant wages
    Student loans
    Higher taxes on the class-formerly-known-as-upwardly mobile.
    Extortionate childcare.
    Degraded public services.
    Harder to export.
    Harder to travel and work in Europe.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683

    Leon said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    What possible relationship does KCIII’s health have with the cognitive decline of POTUS?

    Both are reasonable subjects for speculation, I just don’t see the automatic link
    Just the parallel.

    Two essentially incapacitated heads of state, while the official story is “nothing (or not much) to see here”
    There is little or no evidence of the King having terminal cancer. Currently, at point of diagnosis, you have a 50% chance of being alive 10 years later when diagnosed with cancer. Depending on which cancer he has, he could have a very high chance of a complete cure - e.g. my leukeamia (APML) is estimated at 85-90% chance of cure on diagnosis now (and the danger period is prior to, and just after diagnosis).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    edited February 9
    AlsoLei said:

    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Harper said:

    AlsoLei said:

    FF43 said:

    Can't claim to have watched every minute of Putin's two hour session with Carlson but a couple of mini takes. Putin starts the session with "If I may I'll spend 30 seconds covering the history. Half an hour later he had got to the 19th Century having started in the 8th Century. Tucker finally gets in a weak "That's very interesting". Which in a way it is because Putin seems genuinely motivated by historical grievance.

    The look on Tucker's face when Putin says "You are" in response to who cut Nordstream. ("You will leave for the Siberian work camp following this interview. Ha! Only joking")

    A coup for Carlson to get Putin but I have a feeling it didn't turn out exactly as he hoped. Putin isn't one of them. He's a highly focused spy chief and dictator while MAGA is self indulgence.

    Yeah, I spent only a few minutes skipping through it, so maybe I missed some of the better bits - but from what I saw it was deathly dull with Putin doing his hard-faced bulldozer routine, and Carlson mostly looking lost.

    88 million Twitter impressions at the time of writing - so fewer than his interviews with Andrew Tate or Viktor Orban, and a fifth of the one he did with Javier Milei. When you convert it to actual viewership, it'll be around what Laura Kuenssberg gets when she interviews Sunak or Starmer.

    So much for the most-watched interview in history!

    As an aside, Twitter desperately needs to improve its video player - a youtube-like graph showing the most-watched bits would do wonders for something like this. Hardly anyone's going to sit through the whole 2 hours of droning, but plenty might be willing to watch the good bits if they were easy to find.
    I cant imagine more than a couple of million sat through the whole 2 hours. Then maybe another 5 to 10 million watched lengthy segments but not the whole thing.
    There's no way that anything like that many will have sat through the whole thing. It wouldn't even have made good background watching whilst doing something else.

    As for watching lengthy segments... really? Which lengthy segments are worth watching? Were there any? And even if there were, you can't even give me a link to them since Twitter's basic video player is so poor.

    Sure, plenty of people will see clips once others have done the work of finding the best bits and uploading them to youtube or wherever. But, right now, absolutely no-one is excitedly posting "hey, seek to around 84m37s, and watch the 15 minute segment that follows - it's really interesting!"
    Well Joey Barton on twitter has just announced he sat through the whole thing so theres that.
    Who? Google only suggests a footballer from the noughties...
    A Scouse footballer with a Parisian accent no less.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Section 3 of the Regency Act 1937 states that the Regent is the next in line, subject to being of age etc. Parliament does not decide, except if there is a new Act of course.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/body
    'A person shall be disqualified from becoming or being Regent, if he is not a British subject of full age and domiciled in some part of the United Kingdom,' so that rules out Harry and Parliament would surely amend the Act to remove Andrew, so that leaves Anne
    But the moment you fiddle around with inheritance rights, you've given up the entire idea of hereditary monarchy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317

    Leon said:

    Biden won’t stand this year.
    I think yesterday the veil was ripped away and there’s now no going back. Biden no longer has the mental faculties to be President.

    Admitting as much does not amount to a desire for Trump to be President, quite the reverse. The Democrats need to open up the contest soon. Harris, who simply has a grating personality, is not a viable runner either.

    Having said all above, it’s funny that nobody’s paired Biden’s frailty with the perfectly believable hypothesis that KCIII has terminal cancer. Some rich ironies here.

    The West looks astonishingly weak and decadent, as Putin has his history lecture freely amplified by Elon Musk…

    What possible relationship does KCIII’s health have with the cognitive decline of POTUS?

    Both are reasonable subjects for speculation, I just don’t see the automatic link
    Just the parallel.

    Two essentially incapacitated heads of state, while the official story is “nothing (or not much) to see here”
    There is little or no evidence of the King having terminal cancer. Currently, at point of diagnosis, you have a 50% chance of being alive 10 years later when diagnosed with cancer. Depending on which cancer he has, he could have a very high chance of a complete cure - e.g. my leukeamia (APML) is estimated at 85-90% chance of cure on diagnosis now (and the danger period is prior to, and just after diagnosis).
    I’d agree, and I hope you’re right, but the “news” kind of vibrates with cover-up.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683

    Well, that was grim. Someone collapsed at the pool; staff and medics were doing CPR as I left.

    Fuckety fuck fuck.

    Not great. My wife's father went for a training swim one day and died at the pool. Not great. Both her parents have died suddenly, and it raises the question - which is easier for the family? A sudden death with no warning, or a long slow decline?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683
    Sandpit said:

    Harper said:
    To be fair Putin has lost it recently.
    Has Putin been seen offering comfort to a younger, female colleague in true Neil style?


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    SNP's lead? Given all the posts we see from Scotch experts on here on SNP troubles, I assumed they were at (England) Tory levels of support!

    ETA: And Starner is some senior SNP bod who reacted to the falling poll lead news with 'God!' ? :wink:

    ETA2: Oh, and first like, um, the SNP?

    Agree, this is a good poll for the SNP not Labour. Their leadership chaos not been in the news so much recently possibly having an impact along with them benefitting from Labours position on the Israel-Palestinian war. Would expect it to be closer by the GE.
    On the other hand, there's more to worry about for Slab in terms of London HQ and their overlord SKS. Labour in Scotland have been pretending to be a leftie party - the Rutherglen by election was a prize example of adopting SNP policies for expedience. The more attention SKS gets and the more he trims his sails to the much larger market in England the more the discrepancy will become clear. Interesting.
    I think Labour are a lefty party, though Starmer is something of an unknown himself. As equally likely to be unexpectedly left-wing as the opposite - he has, for example, been exposed to the more extreme symptoms of poverty throughout his career.

    But I entirely agree on the England/Scotland tradeoff. It depends where the marginal gains are - in England, most likely, due to the much larger number of seats. It would be smart to give Sarwar a much higher profile on the campaign literature to help dispel the effect though.

    While personally deeply disappointed, I think the line of the green stuff is fine from an electoral POV - gives him an opportunity to jump in on Tory mismanagement of the public finances over and over again and closes off an obvious attack.
    Fair enough. Labour lefty? Not according to the Electoral Compass analyses - Labour definitely well on the way to joining the LDs. But that's a quibble. And tomorrow is tomorrow.

    Look also at SKS doing U-turns on such things as deigning to allow the Scots an indyref for which they voted to have, no doubt to try and avoid the repeat of 'In Salmond's pocket' posters, photoshopped for SKS and Mr Yousaf. So they can't differentiate too much anyway, and oif course the "national" media in London will give SKS lots of attention which will overwhelm the 3 minutes Mr Sarwar gets if he is lucky ... it's not as if the latter is leader of a political party anyway, as the Electoral Commission knows very well.
    Not sure how more Sarwar fixes anything, his main function is to find some way of smoothing over reverse ferrets on positions of principle(sic) that no longer fit in with the Starmer plan. Lab/SLab's mantra is vote for us for change; that change seems to be that the Scottish sub branch office is more of a sub branch office than ever.
    Yes. If he just says SKS good SNP Baaaad, that doesn't resolve the basic issue if SKS goes all Tory and the voters don't want blueberry muffins dipped in pinko icing.
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197

    Well, that was grim. Someone collapsed at the pool; staff and medics were doing CPR as I left.

    Fuckety fuck fuck.

    Not great. My wife's father went for a training swim one day and died at the pool. Not great. Both her parents have died suddenly, and it raises the question - which is easier for the family? A sudden death with no warning, or a long slow decline?
    Yes someone collapsed at my pool a few weeks ago. I also witnessed a poor young woman collapsing on the train whilst on holiday in Europe. These things seem to be occurring more often now sadly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Halfway through tucker Putin


    Interim verdict: Putin looks healthy enough. Quite on top of his brief. Remember when we were told he was dying?

    Also: not mad. Obsessive. Autocratic. But not insane. Not immediately off putting. Wily. Cunning. Duplicitous

    I sense he really doesn’t want to invade and conquer Eastern Europe. But he really does want a large chunk of Ukraine. And he is genuinely aggrieved about NATO expansion - it’s not a pretext

    So a dangerous man but not a Hitler

    Interim verdict on tucker: doing the best he can. His main achievement is getting the interview in the first place - creating the envy of all his peers

    He also asks some quite devious questions that make Putin look a little credulous or clumsy but he does it in a way that Putin doesn’t notice

    It is not 120 minutes of sycophancy. But I am only halfway through
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    It isn't just home ownership of course. There's a sense that opportunities are shrinking more generally.

    Rent / House prices
    Stagnant wages
    Student loans
    Higher taxes on the class-formerly-known-as-upwardly mobile.
    Extortionate childcare.
    Degraded public services.
    Harder to export.
    Harder to travel and work in Europe.
    The obvious question is, do you feel better off now or in 2010?

    But.

    The problem is I have to adjust for the fact that the 2010s were my 30s, where my middle-class professional career advanced in leaps and bounds and I made a lot of money, although that probably wasn't the case for the majority of people.

    So, ceteris paribus, I ask myself, would I prefer to be 30 now, or 30 in 2010? And on that metric, it's clear to me that the economy, opportunities, public services, housing and all the other things you mention have clearly degraded in that time. Meaning that measure for measure, I would now have fewer opportunities to get ahead, enjoy a worse standard of living, and worst of all, have that sinking feeling that things will only get worse, not better, from here, under the current government.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342
    edited February 9
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    It’s been 17 months since Nick Brown was suspended from the Labour Party following serious allegations.

    While he’s standing down at the next GE surely he should be held accountable for his actions whilst he’s still an MP?

    Starmer promised a swift investigation.

    What happened?


    https://x.com/agrippaspqr/status/1755931528750670036?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I admire your persistence. Will you keep this up for the entire life of the Starmer premiership (I'm guessing circa 10 years)?

    A pop or two every day?

    I have no doubt the material will be there for you to do it but it does require dedication. And to what end? It'll make not a blind bit of difference.
    Remember Carlotta's obsession with Scottish trans shit? That was 10x a day for two and half years. Still the gold standard in single subject off topic shitposting and unlikely ever to be surpassed.
    It was quite striking how [edit] she/he/it kept retweeting a notorious twitter account infamous for a horrific episode of misogyny. I never had the heart to point that out.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,683
    Harper said:

    Well, that was grim. Someone collapsed at the pool; staff and medics were doing CPR as I left.

    Fuckety fuck fuck.

    Not great. My wife's father went for a training swim one day and died at the pool. Not great. Both her parents have died suddenly, and it raises the question - which is easier for the family? A sudden death with no warning, or a long slow decline?
    Yes someone collapsed at my pool a few weeks ago. I also witnessed a poor young woman collapsing on the train whilst on holiday in Europe. These things seem to be occurring more often now sadly.
    I know right. I think it must be the covid vaccine - what do you think?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,150
    edited February 9
    Leon said:

    Halfway through tucker Putin


    Interim verdict: Putin looks healthy enough. Quite on top of his brief. Remember when we were told he was dying?

    Also: not mad. Obsessive. Autocratic. But not insane. Not immediately off putting. Wily. Cunning. Duplicitous

    I sense he really doesn’t want to invade and conquer Eastern Europe. But he really does want a large chunk of Ukraine. And he is genuinely aggrieved about NATO expansion - it’s not a pretext

    So a dangerous man but not a Hitler

    Interim verdict on tucker: doing the best he can. His main achievement is getting the interview in the first place - creating the envy of all his peers

    He also asks some quite devious questions that make Putin look a little credulous or clumsy but he does it in a way that Putin doesn’t notice

    It is not 120 minutes of sycophancy. But I am only halfway through

    Yet still 50 minutes longer than most people with their heads actually screwed on have managed.

    Some of us still remember the days when you were telling us all that Putin would be our saviour.

    Another one that didn’t surprise on the upside.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,500

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Richard is the Duke of Gloucester - the King's cousin, I think. Did an architecture course in the 70s, and has been stuck opening shopping centres ever since...

    As for William, I know there've been rumours about problems in his personal life - and at the very least his wife must have been very ill for some time to need such a hugely serious operation. But I doubt that's enough have stopped him taking some of Anne/Richard/Edward's more prestigious gigs if he'd felt it was necessary to do so - he just doesn't see the value in it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909
    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I'm a Republican by conviction (and ironically, partly inheritance - my mother's view is that hereditary monarch is a silly idea). But. I've been in the presence of Royalty precisely twice, and it made an impression on me both times.

    First time, the then Prince of Wales, now KCIII, visited my place of work, a state-funded scientific organisation, and have a short speech to us all. The second time, the present Duke of Edinburgh did the honours at my daughter's graduation.

    Despite my Republican views I was definitely more impressed then I would have been by some minor government minister, or local functionary, performing the same tasks. There is definitely something a bit different about being in the Royal presence. I'm certain that anyone who was in the not particularly fussed one way or the other category would be considerably swayed by a similar experience.

    If William, and that generation onwards, do hide themselves away, it will be a huge boost for the Republican cause.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645
    Leon said:

    Isn't this a plot thread in the West Wing?

    Jed Bartlet has some long term medical condition which he illegally hides from the voters? He plays chess with aides so they can tell him when he's going gaga

    IIRC the drama says that the public must legally be informed of relevant medical issues pertaining to POTUS

    Wasn’t the real life example President Reagan diagnosed dementia had been covered up for his re-election?

    What about the argument voters know they arn’t just 1. electing a President, but 2. White House administration, so are making assessment not on which candidate makes most forgetful gaffs, but which would be the stronger administration, AND 3. the party most likely to quickly retire off the president once they are too far gone?

    For 2 & 3 it’s a clear democrat win, for 1 something of a toss up?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,556

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    I think William needs to be a little careful with this “normal life priorities” thing. I get he wants to have as normal a family life as possible and wants to be with his wife whilst she convalesces however he needs to not miss the glaring great issue, which Harry doesn’t get, in that the only reason they can live the lifestyle they do, with the access to properties, staff, money, top notch medical, security is because they are Royals.

    Neither of them have made their money off their own efforts, or the contacts or access to people and networks, and so they have/had a responsibility to the tax payer to put their duties first. If you don’t want the duty then you don’t get the massive perks.

    So if William wants the lifestyle he has then he has to buck up and if he doesn’t want to do the duties as he wants to be normal then he needs to get a career in something appropriate to his abilities and see how much time he gets off to be a family man as I’m sure most fathers in the UK don’t get that much and don’t get what he considers a family life.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I'm a Republican by conviction (and ironically, partly inheritance - my mother's view is that hereditary monarch is a silly idea). But. I've been in the presence of Royalty precisely twice, and it made an impression on me both times.

    First time, the then Prince of Wales, now KCIII, visited my place of work, a state-funded scientific organisation, and have a short speech to us all. The second time, the present Duke of Edinburgh did the honours at my daughter's graduation.

    Despite my Republican views I was definitely more impressed then I would have been by some minor government minister, or local functionary, performing the same tasks. There is definitely something a bit different about being in the Royal presence. I'm certain that anyone who was in the not particularly fussed one way or the other category would be considerably swayed by a similar experience.

    If William, and that generation onwards, do hide themselves away, it will be a huge boost for the Republican cause.
    My Aussie ex was a republican; wanted nothing to do with the Royal Family. We were then luck to get an opportunity to have dinner with Princess Anne, after which my ex became a royalist!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    I assume it would be a hatred of being in the public eye as a result of what that did to his mother.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Halfway through tucker Putin


    Interim verdict: Putin looks healthy enough. Quite on top of his brief. Remember when we were told he was dying?

    Also: not mad. Obsessive. Autocratic. But not insane. Not immediately off putting. Wily. Cunning. Duplicitous

    I sense he really doesn’t want to invade and conquer Eastern Europe. But he really does want a large chunk of Ukraine. And he is genuinely aggrieved about NATO expansion - it’s not a pretext

    So a dangerous man but not a Hitler

    Interim verdict on tucker: doing the best he can. His main achievement is getting the interview in the first place - creating the envy of all his peers

    He also asks some quite devious questions that make Putin look a little credulous or clumsy but he does it in a way that Putin doesn’t notice

    It is not 120 minutes of sycophancy. But I am only halfway through

    Yet still 50 minutes longer than most people with their heads actually screwed on have managed.

    Some of us still remember the days when you were telling us all that Putin would be our saviour.

    Another one that didn’t surprise on the upside.
    It it a constant source of amazement to me that your only friend is a dog, given the ready wit, personal charm and that sly, playful charisma you regularly exhibit on this site
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342
    edited February 9

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I'm a Republican by conviction (and ironically, partly inheritance - my mother's view is that hereditary monarch is a silly idea). But. I've been in the presence of Royalty precisely twice, and it made an impression on me both times.

    First time, the then Prince of Wales, now KCIII, visited my place of work, a state-funded scientific organisation, and have a short speech to us all. The second time, the present Duke of Edinburgh did the honours at my daughter's graduation.

    Despite my Republican views I was definitely more impressed then I would have been by some minor government minister, or local functionary, performing the same tasks. There is definitely something a bit different about being in the Royal presence. I'm certain that anyone who was in the not particularly fussed one way or the other category would be considerably swayed by a similar experience.

    If William, and that generation onwards, do hide themselves away, it will be a huge boost for the Republican cause.
    Queen Victoria after Albert died ... big boost for republicanism, and not the Irish kind either (though it didn't do any harm).
  • HarperHarper Posts: 197
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Halfway through tucker Putin


    Interim verdict: Putin looks healthy enough. Quite on top of his brief. Remember when we were told he was dying?

    Also: not mad. Obsessive. Autocratic. But not insane. Not immediately off putting. Wily. Cunning. Duplicitous

    I sense he really doesn’t want to invade and conquer Eastern Europe. But he really does want a large chunk of Ukraine. And he is genuinely aggrieved about NATO expansion - it’s not a pretext

    So a dangerous man but not a Hitler

    Interim verdict on tucker: doing the best he can. His main achievement is getting the interview in the first place - creating the envy of all his peers

    He also asks some quite devious questions that make Putin look a little credulous or clumsy but he does it in a way that Putin doesn’t notice

    It is not 120 minutes of sycophancy. But I am only halfway through

    Yet still 50 minutes longer than most people with their heads actually screwed on have managed.

    Some of us still remember the days when you were telling us all that Putin would be our saviour.

    Another one that didn’t surprise on the upside.
    It it a constant source of amazement to me that your only friend is a dog, given the ready wit, personal charm and that sly, playful charisma you regularly exhibit on this site
    You are wasted on this site Leon. Your charm charisma and intelligence is too much for the regulars to handle.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    Sandpit said:

    148grss said:

    Wes Streeting needs to be front and centre of Lab's election campaign.

    He's a top class communicator with last night's QT as just one example.

    The man who can never stop talking about how pleased he is to have the opportunity to sell off bits of the NHS? Sure fire way to make SKS's incoming government even more unpopular.
    The NHS isn't for sale. What will happen will be services will be commissioned by the NHS - this is not 'selling' the NHS, despite what lefties like to chant.

    Realistically people in the UK need to look at how healthcare is delivered in other countries. The NHS is great in many ways, but its not the only way to provide universal healthcare. The idea of free at the point of use can be maintained in other ways (mandated health insurance that is genuinely linked to health provision, for instance).
    No other OECD county has copied an NHS, yet no-one thinks why.

    Look at what works really well elsewhere, and copy that.
    No one else copies the NHS

    The Norns will never vote for reunification cos of the NHS

    Quite often the same people.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    Leon said:

    Halfway through tucker Putin


    Interim verdict: Putin looks healthy enough. Quite on top of his brief. Remember when we were told he was dying?

    Also: not mad. Obsessive. Autocratic. But not insane. Not immediately off putting. Wily. Cunning. Duplicitous

    I sense he really doesn’t want to invade and conquer Eastern Europe. But he really does want a large chunk of Ukraine. And he is genuinely aggrieved about NATO expansion - it’s not a pretext

    So a dangerous man but not a Hitler

    Interim verdict on tucker: doing the best he can. His main achievement is getting the interview in the first place - creating the envy of all his peers

    He also asks some quite devious questions that make Putin look a little credulous or clumsy but he does it in a way that Putin doesn’t notice

    It is not 120 minutes of sycophancy. But I am only halfway through

    Hitler of course only ever wanted a chunk of Czechoslovakia.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,773
    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Richard is the Duke of Gloucester - the King's cousin, I think. Did an architecture course in the 70s, and has been stuck opening shopping centres ever since...

    As for William, I know there've been rumours about problems in his personal life - and at the very least his wife must have been very ill for some time to need such a hugely serious operation. But I doubt that's enough have stopped him taking some of Anne/Richard/Edward's more prestigious gigs if he'd felt it was necessary to do so - he just doesn't see the value in it.
    I don't think William is anything other than that which appears to be: a nervous wreck of a middle aged man with a haggard wife and weird kids that look like they are off the cover of an Enid Blyton book.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Harper said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Halfway through tucker Putin


    Interim verdict: Putin looks healthy enough. Quite on top of his brief. Remember when we were told he was dying?

    Also: not mad. Obsessive. Autocratic. But not insane. Not immediately off putting. Wily. Cunning. Duplicitous

    I sense he really doesn’t want to invade and conquer Eastern Europe. But he really does want a large chunk of Ukraine. And he is genuinely aggrieved about NATO expansion - it’s not a pretext

    So a dangerous man but not a Hitler

    Interim verdict on tucker: doing the best he can. His main achievement is getting the interview in the first place - creating the envy of all his peers

    He also asks some quite devious questions that make Putin look a little credulous or clumsy but he does it in a way that Putin doesn’t notice

    It is not 120 minutes of sycophancy. But I am only halfway through

    Yet still 50 minutes longer than most people with their heads actually screwed on have managed.

    Some of us still remember the days when you were telling us all that Putin would be our saviour.

    Another one that didn’t surprise on the upside.
    It it a constant source of amazement to me that your only friend is a dog, given the ready wit, personal charm and that sly, playful charisma you regularly exhibit on this site
    You are wasted on this site Leon. Your charm charisma and intelligence is too much for the regulars to handle.
    I know. I sometimes feel I am more approached in Sverdlovsk than Swindon

    A prophet without honour etc
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909
    Carnyx said:

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I'm a Republican by conviction (and ironically, partly inheritance - my mother's view is that hereditary monarch is a silly idea). But. I've been in the presence of Royalty precisely twice, and it made an impression on me both times.

    First time, the then Prince of Wales, now KCIII, visited my place of work, a state-funded scientific organisation, and have a short speech to us all. The second time, the present Duke of Edinburgh did the honours at my daughter's graduation.

    Despite my Republican views I was definitely more impressed then I would have been by some minor government minister, or local functionary, performing the same tasks. There is definitely something a bit different about being in the Royal presence. I'm certain that anyone who was in the not particularly fussed one way or the other category would be considerably swayed by a similar experience.

    If William, and that generation onwards, do hide themselves away, it will be a huge boost for the Republican cause.
    Queen Victoria after Albert died ...
    Yes, precisely. The precedent was mentioned in The Guardian article.

    They really need Harry back.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    edited February 9
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Section 3 of the Regency Act 1937 states that the Regent is the next in line, subject to being of age etc. Parliament does not decide, except if there is a new Act of course.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/body
    'A person shall be disqualified from becoming or being Regent, if he is not a British subject of full age and domiciled in some part of the United Kingdom,' so that rules out Harry and Parliament would surely amend the Act to remove Andrew, so that leaves Anne
    I'm not sure the domicile point does rule out Harry, due to the difference between residence and domicile. He possibly is ruled out but it's legally debatable - the fact he's in California most of the time isn't decisive.

    Also, even if Andrew and Harry were ruled out, Beatrice, Eugenia, Edward, and Louise Mountbatten-Windsor are all of age and above Princess Anne in the line of succession.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Richard is the Duke of Gloucester - the King's cousin, I think. Did an architecture course in the 70s, and has been stuck opening shopping centres ever since...

    As for William, I know there've been rumours about problems in his personal life - and at the very least his wife must have been very ill for some time to need such a hugely serious operation. But I doubt that's enough have stopped him taking some of Anne/Richard/Edward's more prestigious gigs if he'd felt it was necessary to do so - he just doesn't see the value in it.
    Yes, Duke of Gloucester. I just never hear him referred to as Prince Richard, for some reason. I agree with the original notion that we’re frankly short of a few royals. Philip and Zara look the most “papabile” to my eye.

    William needs to pull his finger out.
    The deal is that we pay for their luxury, and they perform their duties like Stakhanovites.

    Speaking of which, the King is also the King of NZ. I know he’s due for a visit in November, but we kind of need him more often than every five or six years.

    The days of organising the monarchy around the contingencies of boat-plane via BOAC are well and truly over.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,909

    Sandpit said:

    148grss said:

    Wes Streeting needs to be front and centre of Lab's election campaign.

    He's a top class communicator with last night's QT as just one example.

    The man who can never stop talking about how pleased he is to have the opportunity to sell off bits of the NHS? Sure fire way to make SKS's incoming government even more unpopular.
    The NHS isn't for sale. What will happen will be services will be commissioned by the NHS - this is not 'selling' the NHS, despite what lefties like to chant.

    Realistically people in the UK need to look at how healthcare is delivered in other countries. The NHS is great in many ways, but its not the only way to provide universal healthcare. The idea of free at the point of use can be maintained in other ways (mandated health insurance that is genuinely linked to health provision, for instance).
    No other OECD county has copied an NHS, yet no-one thinks why.

    Look at what works really well elsewhere, and copy that.
    No one else copies the NHS

    The Norns will never vote for reunification cos of the NHS

    Quite often the same people.
    To be fair, it looks like, in the Republic, that I am approaching an impasse whereby I can't buy a house, because I can't get a mortgage, because I can't get life insurance, because I'm stuck on a waiting list for minor plastic surgery to remove a benign cyst.

    If I was back in Britain, using the NHS, they'd never have put me on the waiting list to start with, and it wouldn't be a problem!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,155
    Dura_Ace said:

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Richard is the Duke of Gloucester - the King's cousin, I think. Did an architecture course in the 70s, and has been stuck opening shopping centres ever since...

    As for William, I know there've been rumours about problems in his personal life - and at the very least his wife must have been very ill for some time to need such a hugely serious operation. But I doubt that's enough have stopped him taking some of Anne/Richard/Edward's more prestigious gigs if he'd felt it was necessary to do so - he just doesn't see the value in it.
    I don't think William is anything other than that which appears to be: a nervous wreck of a middle aged man with a haggard wife and weird kids that look like they are off the cover of an Enid Blyton book.
    There’s always the exciting hinterland of pegging and the Panigale.
    Not at the same time one hopes.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,550
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Section 3 of the Regency Act 1937 states that the Regent is the next in line, subject to being of age etc. Parliament does not decide, except if there is a new Act of course.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/body
    'A person shall be disqualified from becoming or being Regent, if he is not a British subject of full age and domiciled in some part of the United Kingdom,' so that rules out Harry and Parliament would surely amend the Act to remove Andrew, so that leaves Anne
    Harry is still domiciled in the UK I would guess. He is not currently resident in the UK but that is a different legal concept.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Sandpit said:

    LOL that football has suspended their “Blue Card” idea.

    They still like the sin bin idea, which is good, but they managed to screw up the announcement and process

    Solution looking for a problem imvho. Yellow and red cards work fine.

    If I had to change anything, I’d change the rules about penalty kicks. It’s an incredibly harsh punishment for often very minor infractions. Goal scoring opportunity, fair enough.

    Also yellow card for taking your shirt off remains the silliest law in the game.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    edited February 9
    isam said:

    Doesn’t this graph imply it was some other party’s fault?

    The UK’s Conservative party is on the brink of a generational wipeout. The single most important factor driving this is the dramatic breakdown of upward social mobility on.ft.com/3SSPGeP




    https://x.com/ft/status/1755925035284320433?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Yes. But, the Tories did nothing to fix it.

    House prices rose by 206% between 1997 and 2007. It was a big factor in Labour's landslide win in 2001, and probably made the difference between victory and defeat in 2005. But, after 2010, these 25-50 year old voters of 1997 switched over heavily towards the Tories. Now they're aged 50 to 75.

    The problem is, the Tories, while appealing successfully to this group, were not interested in people who were not on the electoral register in 1997.

    That said, at least home ownership rates seem to nudging upwards again.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    The Nordstream stuff is REALLY interesting
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,197
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon and William do have a point. It's not whether Biden is more demented than Trump - I'm not sure he is and in any case he's clearly a better person and actually not a bad president on his track record.

    No. For the rest of us Biden's primary task is to stop Trump. He managed that successfully in 2020 when others maybe wouldn't have. Will he manage it again in 2024? If not, we need someone else.

    He may or may not be in the early stages of dementia (people being definitive either way are ignorable) but there’s no doubt about the lapses and frailty. He’s been a good president but he really shouldn’t be offering himself for a 2nd term. I hope he has a change of heart and doesn’t. I think this is very possible.

    With the shit swirling around both of them I’m of the view that the ‘nailed on’ Trump Biden rematch is no more than a 50/50 shot to happen. I have it laid at 1.4 and I’m happy with that. But if it does happen I’ll be rooting 1000% for Joe. If he wins and then has to stand down at some point due to health reasons, so what. It will be managed. The risks of Trump2 are on a different scale.

    So in a nutshell what I say is, “Go Joe please”, but if you don’t “Go Joe!”
    Have you not had someone close suffer dementia?

    If not, count yourself lucky, it is deeply painful to watch - possibly worse for the witnesses than it is for the demented

    My mum was diagnosed with it last year, it distresses me greatly. I've also watched my older daughter's great granmother and now grandmother go down with it. I was quite close to the latter. And I've seen it in aunts, the parents of friends, etc. It is one of the great curses of modern times. we can keep people alive so long, but we can't save their minds

    Biden looks exactly like these people, the dodderiness. the vagueness, the wandering, the truly spectacular memory losses, the confusion of identities, the decay of syntax in the speech, the inability to string sentences together; indeed, he looks like quite an advanced case. So bad, as the legal report says, that he cannot be prosecuted. He is too senile to stand trial - that is their judgement. Let that sink in

    Biden is right there in front of us, exhibiting all this. It is not some kind of pro-Trump propaganda to point this out

    And, if you really want Trump beaten, it is better that this is accepted and Biden is persuaded to retire, and they find someone younger

    I still quite like my idea of Kamala, with Barack Obama as veep (if that is legal). I reckon that would beat Trump soundly
    Er, I just said I hope Biden doesn't run. So, yes. And it's a piece of cake to distinguish reasonable concerns about his age and health from Trumpist propaganda. You just look at the language, the tone, and who it's coming from.

    On the dementia, I'm sorry to hear this about your mum, and snap. Mine got an AD diagnosis a year ago, sadly. And boy is it sad. Worse for my dad, probably, at the moment. He's become a fulltime carer at 90.
    Sympathies right back at you. It is a pretty horrific illness. It is terrible to say, but it might have been better if my poor Mum had keeled over with a heart attack a few years back (she's had a pacemaker for a decade). But we are where we are

    The only saving grace for my Mum is that her partner also has dementia and is losing the plot at about the same pace, and they are in nice sheltered housing. So they are kind of sinking together, half aware of things

    To be sane and lucid, like your father, and forced to care for a demented spouse, God that's tough

    One reason I am sure Biden has dementia is his way of interweaving real stories (eg about his dead son Beau) with clear confabulations (Beau did not die in Fallujah), constructing a new reality impromptu, for no obvious reason. My mum does this constantly

    I think it is the brain replacing missing memories, in a kind of panic, to create any old narrative, even if obviously bogus. Very sad
    No that's not a terrible thing to think or say. I'm not wishing a long drawn out decline on my Mum. However calling people with AD "demented" - this, whilst no lie, isn't a great innovation imo. Still, you're the writer.

    Joe and "the journey"? Is he on it? If so where? I truly don't know. There's not enough in the public domain for me to say. Certainly not enough to be issuing a firm diagnosis. But ok, you clearly feel you can.
    The problem is - for the Dems as much as the GOP - that the right have been crying wolf on this for so long that everyone discounts it.

    But the odds are no longer in Biden's favour.
    Hmm, the famous "priced in" - to which the only response is "will it still sell?"

    I find your last sentence a tad concerning, if you mean vs Trump, you being one of the founding members of the Trump Bear club. TBH the only thing I'm certain of right now is I have no idea where this is all going or how it's going to get there.

    Fwiw when I spool forward a year and picture who's in the White House, that person is neither Donald Trump nor Joe Biden.
    No, I meant the odds of his still being the candidate by November.

    It might be unfair (probably is), but the drip, drip will be relentless.
    Every time Biden gaffes from now on will be seen through the new lens.

    When the 'liberal' press leads with "Special counsel report paints scathing picture of Biden’s memory", it shows how effective is the hit job.

    18 USC 1924 is subject to a five year statute of limitations - which is why Trump is being charged (as he reoffended by lying and refusing to return classified documents), and Biden isn't.
    You won't see that in any headlines, and probably not until paragraph 23, if at all.

    Every lead story is 'Biden not be charged because he's senile'.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,317
    Leon said:

    The Nordstream stuff is REALLY interesting

    No it’s not.
    Putin adds nothing to what we already know/don’t know.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894

    .

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    148grss said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    Lol, Prince Regent Harry would be hilarious - and again, could add a lot of otherwise pro monarchy people onto the republican side. Also, who else is there? Andrew? lol once more
    Princess Anne, a regent can be just who Parliament chooses, doesn't need to be next in line of succession
    Section 3 of the Regency Act 1937 states that the Regent is the next in line, subject to being of age etc. Parliament does not decide, except if there is a new Act of course.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw8and1Geo6/1/16/body
    'A person shall be disqualified from becoming or being Regent, if he is not a British subject of full age and domiciled in some part of the United Kingdom,' so that rules out Harry and Parliament would surely amend the Act to remove Andrew, so that leaves Anne
    Harry is still domiciled in the UK I would guess. He is not currently resident in the UK but that is a different legal concept.
    No, his permanent home is now in California
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    The Nordstream stuff is REALLY interesting

    No it’s not.
    Putin adds nothing to what we already know/don’t know.
    The body language and the demeanour of both of them
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    edited February 9

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    The Guardian appear to be arguing for a larger Royal Family. Casino Royale has been busy with all the spare time he has away from pb.com

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/09/house-of-windsor-soft-regency-king-charles-prince-william

    I think it's obvious that the next generation of royals don't see much less value in the "visibility" work that the last Queen was so keen on.

    I've been keeping an eye on the Court Circular for the past 6 months (yeah, interesting, I know...)

    Princess Anne does lots of sports, rural, and health-related visits
    Prince Richard does lots of buildings, engineering, built environment-related visits
    Prince Edward does some theatre, arts, and youth-related visits

    And, er, that's it.

    Prince William does virtually none of that stuff, even accounting for time off with his wife being ill. He goes to some dinners, and does a feww investiture ceremonies - the rest of his official engagements tend to be for personal projects like the Earthshot Prize. The contrast between his diary in 2023 and Charles' in, say, 2003 is rather eye-opening.

    But who's to say that's a bad thing - if you've got a new university building that needs opened, say, why do you need Prince Richard rather than a Lord Mayor, ex-government minister, or someone from off the telly anyway?

    At this point, it looks almost like a hobby for the older ones - or something they do because they've always done it, not because there's much need for it.
    I’ve never even heard of Prince Richard.

    I do think it’s fascinating, though, these subtle shifts in kingly responsibilities. It’s not obvious to me why William is maintaining a low profile. Is he just lazy?
    Richard is the Duke of Gloucester - the King's cousin, I think. Did an architecture course in the 70s, and has been stuck opening shopping centres ever since...

    As for William, I know there've been rumours about problems in his personal life - and at the very least his wife must have been very ill for some time to need such a hugely serious operation. But I doubt that's enough have stopped him taking some of Anne/Richard/Edward's more prestigious gigs if he'd felt it was necessary to do so - he just doesn't see the value in it.
    Yes, Duke of Gloucester. I just never hear him referred to as Prince Richard, for some reason. I agree with the original notion that we’re frankly short of a few royals. Philip and Zara look the most “papabile” to my eye.

    William needs to pull his finger out.
    The deal is that we pay for their luxury, and they perform their duties like Stakhanovites.

    Speaking of which, the King is also the King of NZ. I know he’s due for a visit in November, but we kind of need him more often than every five or six years.

    The days of organising the monarchy around the contingencies of boat-plane via BOAC are well and truly over.
    Profits of the crown estates and duchies pay for the Prince and Princess of Wales actually, taxpayers pay for nothing more than their security.

    The Governor General does the day to day things in NZ for the King and is currently a Maori woman
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