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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    oh god.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,919
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    Fair play to Leon, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in our countryside, towns and cities aren't so obvious when one spends all their time hob-nobbing with the ladyboys of Bangkok and Phnom Pen.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Guy Verhofstadt is a fairly senior figure in the EU Parliament. If he is calling for something, it actually has some chance of happening. Which isn't much chance.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    edited February 8
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,466
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Bad teeth is a small price to pay for blue passports and a government intend on demonising social difference.
    Good to get back to the patriotic 1950s, never mind the 1930s.

    'The most obvious sign of under-nourishment is the badness of everybody’s teeth. In Lancashire you would have to look for a long time before you saw a working-class person with good natural teeth. Indeed, you see very few people with natural teeth at all, apart from the children; and even the children’s teeth have a frail bluish appearance which means, I suppose, calcium deficiency ... In Wigan various people gave me their opinion that it is best to get shut of your teeth as early in life as possible. ‘Teeth is just a misery,’ one woman said to me.'

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2022/june/orwell-s-teeth
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Yes the 1.5C target is ridiculously low and based on centuries old data.

    1.5C from here, that might be meaningful. 1.5C from what was a colder age anyway, when we're already consistently at 1.2C is utterly meaningless rounding error stuff.
    1.5° from here means climate catastrophe for large parts of the world.

    It may do or it may not. Your problem is that _this_ 1.5 degrees was supposed to mean climate catastrophe for large parts of the world. And here we are. Maldives still afloat, rain, sun, wind, snow in some kind of order.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,952
    Good morning, everyone.

    Next week I'm heading into town for various things, including trying to make a dental appointment. We'll see if I've been thrown off the patient list after not having an appointment for a few years (as specifically requested by them due to low staffing and my teeth being ok). Tried making an appointment online but got back a standardised response suggesting I could join the practice, and, therefore, had been removed from the patient list.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,671

    Nigelb said:

    "The United States bought more goods from Mexico than China in 2023 for the first time in 20 years. The trade deficit with China narrowed significantly last year, with goods imports from the country dropping 20 percent to $427.2 billion”
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1755411177167798295

    Build. The. Wall.
    Another one, to keep out the Chinese?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,919
    TOPPING said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    oh god.
    Indeed, banished to Conhome for just the month if you are lucky.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Our town's dentist is technically an NHS dentists, but apparently you need the luck of the devil to get on the NHS list there (they are very good dentists, if that helps).

    A new dentist has opened up in the town, in a very central location. And from what I see on their website, they don't take NHS patients.

    We're lucky in that we can afford to go private. But many people we know can not, and some don't have cars to take them to NHS dentists elsewhere.

    The system will have to change; I don't know in what way, though.
    I agree entirely. Dental care in the UK is appallling. If anything I am surprised this hasn't become an issue before
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,466
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    That argument fails, because the photo was taken in St Paul's, which had a very high BME percentage half a century ago!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,203
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill and see what actually happens
    As usual you will believe any bullshit far right or pro-Putin propaganda. Obviously it wasn't clear enough (at least not to a dimwit like you) so I'll put it in all caps for you

    THE EU IS NOT SEEKING A TRAVEL BAN ON CARLSON

    Of course, as a general point, the UK, for example, does ban people when it doesn't like what they say:

    Here's an example from last year of the UK banning the Austrian nationalist at the centre of the Potsdam meeting that got millions of Germans demonstrating against the far-right the last few weeks, an American 'youtube commentator and author', and a Canadian 'right-wing activist':

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1GO2LP/

    maybe Musk tweeted about that too
    Exclusive: Tucker Carlson could face sanctions over Putin interview

    https://newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-sanctions-eu-putin-interview-1867655?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1707308234


    Estonian Member of European Parliament
    @Urmaspaet
    Paet thinks that Tucker #Carlson interviewed a war criminal #Putin, expected in Hague and that does make him a journalist with any professional integrity, hence should have EU travel ban.

    https://x.com/jaanikamerilo/status/1755309465711018115?s=20

    "Tucker Carlson is surely on the path to being labelled a propagandist for the Russian regime.

    If he enables disinformation for Putin, the EU should explore a travel ban !"

    https://x.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1754517903167173061?s=20

    And so on, and so forth
    So the best you can find is a quote from an MEP saying "IF he enables disinformation for Putin, the EU should EXPLORE a travel ban !"

    Thanks for proving me right.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,876
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill
    and see what actually happens
    Since when have you paid any attention Guy Verhofstadt? He’s a pillock who doesn’t speak for the EU.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,866

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Our town's dentist is technically an NHS dentists, but apparently you need the luck of the devil to get on the NHS list there (they are very good dentists, if that helps).

    A new dentist has opened up in the town, in a very central location. And from what I see on their website, they don't take NHS patients.

    We're lucky in that we can afford to go private. But many people we know can not, and some don't have cars to take them to NHS dentists elsewhere.

    The system will have to change; I don't know in what way, though.
    We are still on the NHS part of our dentist practice but they do try and shift us off it every time we visit.

    And we do regularly visit every 6 months because otherwise they will kick us off
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    ClippP said:

    Nigelb said:

    "The United States bought more goods from Mexico than China in 2023 for the first time in 20 years. The trade deficit with China narrowed significantly last year, with goods imports from the country dropping 20 percent to $427.2 billion”
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1755411177167798295

    Build. The. Wall.
    Another one, to keep out the Chinese?
    Do the Chinese sell Walls, in flat pack?

    The Mexico thing is genuinely good news - anything to promote economic growth of the non paramilitary-drugs-and-death-squad type.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 3,818
    TOPPING said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    oh god.
    Sorry. I was being an arse.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Our town's dentist is technically an NHS dentists, but apparently you need the luck of the devil to get on the NHS list there (they are very good dentists, if that helps).

    A new dentist has opened up in the town, in a very central location. And from what I see on their website, they don't take NHS patients.

    We're lucky in that we can afford to go private. But many people we know can not, and some don't have cars to take them to NHS dentists elsewhere.

    The system will have to change; I don't know in what way, though.
    I am a member of a village whatsapp group that I forgot to leave. The big thing atm is finding a dentist. Someone needed urgent treatment and then everyone piled in with their views (as is the way). Someone else had googled/investigated that there was no NHS dentist taking new patients within 60 miles of the village.

    It turns out, according to group wisdom, that Mydentist was the preferred option and offers "20% more expensive than the NHS with many benefits that make it worthwhile". From which I can deduce that the NHS isn't free anyway. These are people of a low economic group who are accepting that going private is necessary and anyway not that much more expensive than the NHS.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,876
    Roger said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
    Stick him on a train to Dublin.
    Brutal! I remember aged 18 going to Spain for a week just before taking up my first job. On the beach I met an English guy about the same age as me with a battered boat and 'Joe's Speedboat' daubed on the side.

    He had a bevy of girls around him and every now and then someone would turn up wanting a ski he'd give them a spin round the bay. I spent most of the week with him and I spent the next several years wondering why I was working like a dog in London and wasn't doing what Joe was doing with his bevvy of girls not a care in the world driving his speedboat.

    When did we become this morose place where we worry about someone from another country sleeping under a boat or
    even buying one if he wants to? What's wrong with foreigners being here? When did this obsession start?
    Because he broke the rules
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,919
    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Bad teeth is a small price to pay for blue passports and a government intend on demonising social difference.
    Good to get back to the patriotic 1950s, never mind the 1930s.

    'The most obvious sign of under-nourishment is the badness of everybody’s teeth. In Lancashire you would have to look for a long time before you saw a working-class person with good natural teeth. Indeed, you see very few people with natural teeth at all, apart from the children; and even the children’s teeth have a frail bluish appearance which means, I suppose, calcium deficiency ... In Wigan various people gave me their opinion that it is best to get shut of your teeth as early in life as possible. ‘Teeth is just a misery,’ one woman said to me.'

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2022/june/orwell-s-teeth
    Yes, removal of all one's adult teeth as a precaution was some 21st birthday present.

    I wonder if the reintroduction of workhouses will feature in the forthcoming Tory manifesto.
  • Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    The comments under that are truly awful.
    "Where are the British people?"
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,203

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Guy Verhofstadt is a fairly senior figure in the EU Parliament. If he is calling for something, it actually has some chance of happening. Which isn't much chance.
    Even if/when Carlson's interview turns out to be pure pro-Putin propaganda, there's no chance of a travel ban. Carlson would himself have to actively call for Russia to conquer the rest of Ukraine and then invade the Baltics, for there to be a chance of a ban.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793
    Still digging...

    @PaulBrandITV

    Chris Philp tells @GMB that the PM will be saying more about Brianna Ghey later today.

    “Do you mean he’s going to apologise?”

    “No that’s not what I’m saying”…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    That argument fails, because the photo was taken in St Paul's, which had a very high BME percentage half a century ago!
    St Paul's has a non-UK population of 32%, and growing fast. It will be newcomers seeking a dentist

    How can this be controversial? We have let in millions of immigramts, they will - quite rightly - expect the free dental care given to UK citzens, this is them looking for an NHS dentist. I don't blame them
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042

    TOPPING said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    oh god.
    Indeed, banished to Conhome for just the month if you are lucky.
    {Puts on black cap}

    You have been found guilty of crimes against PB. May you been taken from this place to a place of confinement. Where you will be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan, Piers Corbyn and Julian Assange, 24/366. The only entertainment will be

    - the worst Radiohead song on permanent loop.
    - A computer that only allows you to read the worst comments on ConHome
    - a option to program in Python.

    May God have mercy upon your soul. because we won't.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    oh god.
    Sorry. I was being an arse.
    You were not.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,772

    TOPPING said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    oh god.
    Indeed, banished to Conhome for just the month if you are lucky.
    {Puts on black cap}

    You have been found guilty of crimes against PB. May you been taken from this place to a place of confinement. Where you will be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan, Piers Corbyn and Julian Assange, 24/366. The only entertainment will be

    - the worst Radiohead song on permanent loop.
    - A computer that only allows you to read the worst comments on ConHome
    - a option to program in Python.

    May God have mercy upon your soul. because we won't.
    Do we just have vanilla Python, or are we allowed extra libraries? That could be a deal breaker... ;;)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    I'd be amazed if the PM hadn't called the Grey family privately to apologise "for any misunderstanding" or somesuch, ie usual apologetic non-apology but still a reach out. I'm sure he would have called them under the radar.

    Or at least I hope he would have.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,983
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,877
    edited February 8
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    That argument fails, because the photo was taken in St Paul's, which had a very high BME percentage half a century ago!
    St Paul's has a non-UK population of 32%, and growing fast. It will be newcomers seeking a dentist

    How can this be controversial? We have let in millions of immigramts, they will - quite rightly - expect the free dental care given to UK citzens, this is them looking for an NHS dentist. I don't blame them
    It's not free, it was about £28 for a two visit check-up, scale and polish last time I went ;) !
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    Yes just looking at that queue with all those Polish plumbers and Norwegian bankers. They stand out a mile.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    edited February 8

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    Fair play to Leon, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in our countryside, towns and cities aren't so obvious when one spends all their time hob-nobbing with the ladyboys of Bangkok and Phnom Pen.
    Ladyboys are scary. Seriously. They are about six foot two and travel in gangs, I don't know what genetic reason makes them simultaneously ladyboyish and tall, but it is a thing

    And they mug people

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3558652/Thai-police-warn-gangs-ladyboys-targeting-tourists-wave-muggings-German-man-attacked-robbed.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    kamski said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Guy Verhofstadt is a fairly senior figure in the EU Parliament. If he is calling for something, it actually has some chance of happening. Which isn't much chance.
    Even if/when Carlson's interview turns out to be pure pro-Putin propaganda, there's no chance of a travel ban. Carlson would himself have to actively call for Russia to conquer the rest of Ukraine and then invade the Baltics, for there to be a chance of a ban.
    Yup. Not sure why people are getting fired up *before* an interview.

    I find it rather strange. When the PIRA were blowing up the pubs I drank in, it was considered a moral issue that An Phoblacht still be published and there was much whining at the idea of sanctioning those who personally and publicly called for the violence.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,466

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Also: where do rather a lot of doctors, nurses, and other health workers in the UK cone from? Helpful hint: not born in the UK. And getting rid of the EU-born ones doesn't help.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,877
    Heard on the radio the other day Kiev dentists were having difficulty coming over. Of all the people we both need and want as immigrants to the country I'd have thought they'd be at the very top.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
  • theProletheProle Posts: 948
    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Well quite. We had 1.5deg last year apparently. It was a bit hot for a few weeks in the summer, but hardly the end of days. The climate industry have spend 20 years shouting about how we've six months to save the world, how we should limit change to 2 deg C, then 1.5 deg C, or we're doomed, and frankly it increasingly seems a load of old hogwash. Unless something changes, eventually people may just start to to think it's just a poor chicken little impression, coupled with a load of cunning plans for them to spend all your money on their mates.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,496

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    I’m heading off to California. 3 weeks of grey clouds, flat polls and fractious colleagues and I need a break
    Bye bye, Rishi.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    theProle said:

    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Well quite. We had 1.5deg last year apparently. It was a bit hot for a few weeks in the summer, but hardly the end of days. The climate industry have spend 20 years shouting about how we've six months to save the world, how we should limit change to 2 deg C, then 1.5 deg C, or we're doomed, and frankly it increasingly seems a load of old hogwash. Unless something changes, eventually people may just start to to think it's just a poor chicken little impression, coupled with a load of cunning plans for them to spend all your money on their mates.
    I thought the "if the world is warming why is it a bit chilly outside my front door" thing was a purely American non-passport owning affliction, but you live and learn.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,793

    The only entertainment will be

    - the worst Radiohead song on permanent loop.

    The whole album then...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
    Stick him on a train to Dublin.
    Brutal! I remember aged 18 going to Spain for a week just before taking up my first job. On the beach I met an English guy about the same age as me with a battered boat and 'Joe's Speedboat' daubed on the side.

    He had a bevy of girls around him and every now and then someone would turn up wanting a ski he'd give them a spin round the bay. I spent most of the week with him and I spent the next several years wondering why I was working like a dog in London and wasn't doing what Joe was doing with his bevvy of girls not a care in the world driving his speedboat.

    When did we become this morose place where we worry about someone from another country sleeping under a boat or
    even buying one if he wants to? What's wrong with foreigners being here? When did this obsession start?
    Because he broke the rules
    Do you remember when we used to think we lived in a 'free country'? When most lived by the philosophy of 'live and let live'? '

    I don't think many feel that anymore
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,016

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Are NHS services worse in poor areas or is there just more demand for NHS services in poor areas ?

    One step further back:

    Does bad, overcrowded housing lead to worse health among the poor or do the unhealthy live in bad, overcrowded housing because they are poor.

    Though immigration is a factor - poor immigrants, often from countries with bad healthcare facilities, are going to both live in poor areas and also have greater need of healthcare treatment.

    The best way of helping the poor is to stop bringing in more poor to live among them.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    On topic, doesn't this header just demonstrate how fundamentally unserious and raggy our leading print newspapers are? Including both broadsheets and tabloids. The only one that pays meaningful attention to actual world news this morning rather than domestic tittle tattle is the FT.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,082
    theProle said:

    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Well quite. We had 1.5deg last year apparently. It was a bit hot for a few weeks in the summer, but hardly the end of days. The climate industry have spend 20 years shouting about how we've six months to save the world, how we should limit change to 2 deg C, then 1.5 deg C, or we're doomed, and frankly it increasingly seems a load of old hogwash. Unless something changes, eventually people may just start to to think it's just a poor chicken little impression, coupled with a load of cunning plans for them to spend all your money on their mates.
    The ex-IPCC head this morning on R4 sounded positively unhinged.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    TimS said:

    On topic, doesn't this header just demonstrate how fundamentally unserious and raggy our leading print newspapers are? Including both broadsheets and tabloids. The only one that pays meaningful attention to actual world news this morning rather than domestic tittle tattle is the FT.

    The Times has become particularly vacuous
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,978
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    In Germany in the winter they would demolish our fence and then clear the snow in our garden with their tusks to eat the grass. You didn't mess with them. In the woods they generally left you alone but you had to be alert not to surprise them.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    I’m heading off to California. 3 weeks of grey clouds, flat polls and fractious colleagues and I need a break
    Bye bye, Rishi.
    California has been enjoying a winter atmospheric river with huge rainfall totals and grey clouds.

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/california-atmospheric-river-flooding-rain-02-05-24/index.html

    Classic El Nino.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,041
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    In Germany in the winter they would demolish our fence and then clear the snow in our garden with their tusks to eat the grass. You didn't mess with them. In the woods they generally left you alone but you had to be alert not to surprise them.
    This is still the ultimate wild boar story.
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/07/german-nudist-chases-wild-boar-that-stole-laptop-berlin-teufelssee
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,720
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    Fair play to Leon, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune in our countryside, towns and cities aren't so obvious when one spends all their time hob-nobbing with the ladyboys of Bangkok and Phnom Pen.
    Ladyboys are scary. Seriously. They are about six foot two and travel in gangs, I don't know what genetic reason makes them simultaneously ladyboyish and tall, but it is a thing

    And they mug people

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3558652/Thai-police-warn-gangs-ladyboys-targeting-tourists-wave-muggings-German-man-attacked-robbed.html
    Well, I'm not the world's most masculine man
    But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
    And so is Lola


    Back in 1970 transgender was just a cue for a song. Why is everyone so enraged about it 54 years later?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,203

    kamski said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Guy Verhofstadt is a fairly senior figure in the EU Parliament. If he is calling for something, it actually has some chance of happening. Which isn't much chance.
    Even if/when Carlson's interview turns out to be pure pro-Putin propaganda, there's no chance of a travel ban. Carlson would himself have to actively call for Russia to conquer the rest of Ukraine and then invade the Baltics, for there to be a chance of a ban.
    Yup. Not sure why people are getting fired up *before* an interview.

    I find it rather strange. When the PIRA were blowing up the pubs I drank in, it was considered a moral issue that An Phoblacht still be published and there was much whining at the idea of sanctioning those who personally and publicly called for the violence.
    Those were the days! I remember Gerry Adams being voice by an actor on the radio...

    But idiots like Leon claiming that Carlson is being persecuted by the EU because an MEP said he might be spreading pro-Putin propaganda, it's just the typical whiny fake-victimhood we expect from Putin-lovers.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,983
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,983
    https://www.ft.com/content/6fb1602d-a08b-4a8c-bac0-047b7d64aba5

    This is a fantastic article, I thoroughly recommend it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    edited February 8
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,978
    theProle said:

    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Well quite. We had 1.5deg last year apparently. It was a bit hot for a few weeks in the summer, but hardly the end of days. The climate industry have spend 20 years shouting about how we've six months to save the world, how we should limit change to 2 deg C, then 1.5 deg C, or we're doomed, and frankly it increasingly seems a load of old hogwash. Unless something changes, eventually people may just start to to think it's just a poor chicken little impression, coupled with a load of cunning plans for them to spend all your money on their mates.
    We also had an unprecedented series of winter storms (we have of course had bigger individual ones) which have demolished a disappointing number of trees, truly remarkable flooding and more than our share of forest fires in the summer.

    It's curious how people can draw what they want from the same evidence. For me, it was obvious that our weather had a lot more energy in it and tended to extremes as forecast. This was the year for me when the implications of global warming became manifest locally in a way I had not picked up before.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    In Germany in the winter they would demolish our fence and then clear the snow in our garden with their tusks to eat the grass. You didn't mess with them. In the woods they generally left you alone but you had to be alert not to surprise them.
    They are growing in numbers - escapees from farms are now breeding in the wild.

    It was many years back, when people used to panic about the escapes. There was one in Wiltshire, where the police tried to borrow suitable guns from a local hunter. It wasn’t long after the Raul Moat thing and the firearms dealer who got stitched up and committed suicide. The hunter told the police no.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,496
    edited February 8
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    Apparently the worst shortages of NHS dentists are in rural areas and coastal strips - not exactly the favoured destinations of newcomers.

    And, as has been pointed out, St. Pauls is the area of Bristol that has had a high proportion of immigrants since at least the 1950s. You may be too young to remember the 1980 riots, when local youth expressed their displeasure at their persecution by the police. Those same youths, older and wiser, doubtless form part of the queue for a dentist that has animated you so much.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    In Germany in the winter they would demolish our fence and then clear the snow in our garden with their tusks to eat the grass. You didn't mess with them. In the woods they generally left you alone but you had to be alert not to surprise them.
    There are a handful in the woods of the Kent downs. Not as many as the burgeoning population of red deer though, who are everywhere (and very handsome but rather damaging). And Kent now also has bison roaming in Blean woods. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-67754079
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,983
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    Not really. People move around, and will need a new dentist. Existing dental practices shut down and their patients need a new dentist. Plenty of people simply don't have a dentist because NHS dentists in their area won't take new patients. You just looked at a queue of non white people and said "they must be immigrants" on the basis of no information. Given that you live in Camden you have a surprisingly provincial and outdated view of British society.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,203
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    Even a simpleton would notice that you would have to figure out the effect of immigration on government finances, and the ability to provide those services. But not you!
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,946

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    Apparently the worst shortages of NHS dentists are in rural areas and coastal strips - not exactly the favoured destinations of newcomers.
    It's not just NHS dentists. Mrs DA is now booking late April appointments. She used to keep the 9am - 10 am slot free for emergencies but now people are feigning emergencies to get quicker appointments. I don't know what the fuck is happening but, for once, the hyperbolic term 'collapse' seems apposite.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,417
    Don't know if this has been commented on in previous threads but Nevada held its Democratic primary on Tuesday. The United States being what it is with timely counting (and Nevada seems particularly poor at electoral administration), not all the votes are in yet but the top-line is unsurprising: Biden has won with about 90% (NotA finished second with nearly 6%).

    Point is, that's another 36 pledged delegates in Biden's bag, giving him a clean sweep of the 91 up for grabs so far. Small beer out of the 3,770 to be elected in total (never mind the 4,540 once super-delegates are added in), but it's another incremental step and each such step makes it harder for the Democrats to pick anyone else, or to do so in a way that looks, well, democratic.

    In a month or so, it'll be all but over. Super Tuesday is in less than 4 weeks, by when a third of delegates will have been chosen. A week later, another 6.5% are up for grabs; a week after that, another 10% will be - and that should then be that, providing Biden wants to remain in the race, which he gives every indication of wanting to do.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    Interesting. Even as they triumph in Nireland, Sinn Fein are plunging in Eire

    "Sinn Féin support falls by six points to lowest level in three years, poll shows"

    https://x.com/IrishTimes/status/1755490669144277445?s=20

    Green stuff? Migration? Trans? Rugby? People simply bored of them?

    Six points is quite a movement
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    Even a simpleton would notice that you would have to figure out the effect of immigration on government finances, and the ability to provide those services. But not you!
    The Dutch have had a go at adding it all up. The sums don't look good



    "Dutch study: immigration costs state €17 billion per year

    Generous welfare benefits have created a huge strain on the public purse"


    https://unherd.com/thepost/dutch-study-immigration-costs-state-e17-billion-per-year/#:~:text=A team led by mathematician,migration-related issues every month.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,983
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    The government can afford it, it's just choosing not to do it.
    How do you "end immigration" in a world where firms will move out of the UK if they can't hire global talent, and where there are demonstrable labour shortages in sectors like social care and effectively full employment? Ending immigration isn't a solution because it will simply make things worse and is not even possible.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,182
    Leon said:

    Interesting. Even as they triumph in Nireland, Sinn Fein are plunging in Eire

    "Sinn Féin support falls by six points to lowest level in three years, poll shows"

    https://x.com/IrishTimes/status/1755490669144277445?s=20

    Green stuff? Migration? Trans? Rugby? People simply bored of them?

    Six points is quite a movement

    Just looking at the trends, it appears the support is going to "others/independents" rather than any of the other parties.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    Apparently the worst shortages of NHS dentists are in rural areas and coastal strips - not exactly the favoured destinations of newcomers.
    It's not just NHS dentists. Mrs DA is now booking late April appointments. She used to keep the 9am - 10 am slot free for emergencies but now people are feigning emergencies to get quicker appointments. I don't know what the fuck is happening but, for once, the hyperbolic term 'collapse' seems apposite.
    My sister's an NHS dentist. She does it out of choice but there are very few who still do. The way dentistry is funded and structured is a mess. She has a massive waiting list and struggles to fit people in, but as you say it's not much better for private appointments. She's in Coventry - the demand there seems to be mainly elderly. Whole sector is a mess.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    Not really. People move around, and will need a new dentist. Existing dental practices shut down and their patients need a new dentist. Plenty of people simply don't have a dentist because NHS dentists in their area won't take new patients. You just looked at a queue of non white people and said "they must be immigrants" on the basis of no information. Given that you live in Camden you have a surprisingly provincial and outdated view of British society.
    St Paul's, Bristol, has one of the higher levels of non-UK-born inhabitants in the country. So, no, I didn't just presume, I looked at the data
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    France but just on the outskirts of Villefranche old town. Where you'd find a fox in England. A first for me.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,876
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
    Stick him on a train to Dublin.
    Brutal! I remember aged 18 going to Spain for a week just before taking up my first job. On the beach I met an English guy about the same age as me with a battered boat and 'Joe's Speedboat' daubed on the side.

    He had a bevy of girls around him and every now and then someone would turn up wanting a ski he'd give them a spin round the bay. I spent most of the week with him and I spent the next several years wondering why I was working like a dog in London and wasn't doing what Joe was doing with his bevvy of girls not a care in the world driving his speedboat.

    When did we become this morose place where we worry about someone from another country sleeping under a boat or
    even buying one if he wants to? What's wrong with foreigners being here? When did this obsession start?
    Because he broke the rules
    Do you remember when we used to think we lived in a 'free country'? When most
    lived by the philosophy of 'live and let live'? '

    I don't think many feel that anymore
    No because it hasn’t been the case since the days of Alfred the Great. I’m not @JackW

    Live and let live within the confines of the law. The law sets out a legal route for economic migration. He chose not to take that route and then tried to abscond.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    edited February 8

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    The government can afford it, it's just choosing not to do it.
    How do you "end immigration" in a world where firms will move out of the UK if they can't hire global talent, and where there are demonstrable labour shortages in sectors like social care and effectively full employment? Ending immigration isn't a solution because it will simply make things worse and is not even possible.
    The problem is that no-one (and I mean no-one) has put forwarded a sustainable structure.

    The people who deny that we need to create infrastructure at the same rate as the population increase are insane. Yet, the after time, they say "Yes, I am in favour of more factories, railways etc. But not this one. Or this one. Or that one."

    Time to build a canal city on Lake Windermere. Just to smash the smug. Well, also for the beauty we could create.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    The government can afford it, it's just choosing not to do it.
    How do you "end immigration" in a world where firms will move out of the UK if they can't hire global talent, and where there are demonstrable labour shortages in sectors like social care and effectively full employment? Ending immigration isn't a solution because it will simply make things worse and is not even possible.
    But I sincerely wonder if we can afford mass migration any more, as the evidence suggests it does NOT add to per capita wealth

    I don't want to spend all day arguing this - today is a drinking day! - so I will conclude with a long quote from that excellent Unherd piece. I don't normally like cutting and pasting, but this dude sums it all up better than I can, especially when I have other stuff to do, like drink martinis in Bassac Lane


    "A team led by mathematician Jan H. van de Beek at the University of Amsterdam estimates that the Dutch government spent approximately €17 billion per year on migration in the period between 1995 and 2019, meaning that more than one billion euros went to migration-related issues every month.

    The study digs deeper still: annual net costs of non-Western immigration amount to €17 billion and the annual net benefits of Western immigration total one billion euros. Distinguishing between Western and non-Western migration patterns, the study comes to a startling conclusion: if immigration remains at 2015-2019 levels, the annual budget burden will increase from €17 billion in 2016 to about €50 billion. This is an increase that the welfare state would most likely not survive.

    The Dutch findings are mirrored in a similar study conducted by the Danish Finance Ministry, which concludes that non-Western immigrants are most likely to remain lifelong recipients of public finances compared to their Western or native Danish peers. Meanwhile, the picture in Germany is not much different: about 45% of those who receive unemployment benefits are not German citizens, costing the taxpayers around €20 billion per year. Austria shows similar numbers, with almost 60% of recipients having a “migrant background”.

    Van de Beek sees parts of the problem in the structure of the welfare state... [snip, you can see this interesting para in the link]

    The emerging picture is a complex one that includes both cultural and economic factors, but the overall conclusion remains the same: the current conditions under which migration to Europe takes place are not sustainable and will bring the welfare systems ever closer to collapsing. The idea promoted by Folkerts-Landau and others turned out to be far too optimistic, and what makes matters worse is that politicians still refuse to face the facts.

    Placing one’s head in the sand is, unfortunately, not the same as actual policymaking. Europe has ignored these issues for too long, and voters will make their discontent heard at the voting booth."

    Coda

    https://unherd.com/thepost/dutch-study-immigration-costs-state-e17-billion-per-year/#:~:text=A team led by mathematician,migration-related issues every month.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,876
    edited February 8
    Brompton, of the cool folding bicycle and Great British success story (loads of them exported out here to Melbourne, for example) have plans for an ambitious new factory in Kent.

    4,000 jobs. A 60 acre nature reserve. 200,000 bikes a year. Actual manufacturing investment in the UK!

    BUT NO.

    National Highways, for the fourth time in a row, have opposed the plans, delaying the approval process. All because Brompton want their staff to commute by bicycle, rather than by car.

    If anyone wants to understand why the UK will struggle to mitigate carbon emissions, has chronic congestion problems, zero productivity growth and a dearth of investment, see the above.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 3,818
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
    Apart from it being on woke Channel 4 at new year and on 4OD (maybe still is) it’s barely showable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    France but just on the outskirts of Villefranche old town. Where you'd find a fox in England. A first for me.

    Nice. They can be properly dangerous, I think. We need more of that

    I'm pro-wolf, I'd reintroduce them to Scotland, Northumberland, Cumbria and Wales tomorrow
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,877

    Don't know if this has been commented on in previous threads but Nevada held its Democratic primary on Tuesday. The United States being what it is with timely counting (and Nevada seems particularly poor at electoral administration), not all the votes are in yet but the top-line is unsurprising: Biden has won with about 90% (NotA finished second with nearly 6%).

    Point is, that's another 36 pledged delegates in Biden's bag, giving him a clean sweep of the 91 up for grabs so far. Small beer out of the 3,770 to be elected in total (never mind the 4,540 once super-delegates are added in), but it's another incremental step and each such step makes it harder for the Democrats to pick anyone else, or to do so in a way that looks, well, democratic.

    In a month or so, it'll be all but over. Super Tuesday is in less than 4 weeks, by when a third of delegates will have been chosen. A week later, another 6.5% are up for grabs; a week after that, another 10% will be - and that should then be that, providing Biden wants to remain in the race, which he gives every indication of wanting to do.

    Biden probably won't die between now and the end of the Democratic primaries. But it's a massively higher chance, by orders of magnitude than him actually losing the primaries. And if he does die, it'll be Harris.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,544
    Eabhal said:

    Brompton, of the cool folding bicycle and Great British success story (loads of them exported out here to Melbourne, for example) have plans for an ambitious new factory in Kent.

    4,000 jobs. A 60 acre nature reserve. 200,000 bikes a year. Actual manufacturing investment in the UK!

    BUT NO.

    National Highways, for the fourth time in a row, have opposed the plans, delaying the approval process. All because Brompton want their staff to commute by bicycle, rather than by car.

    Hmmm, details please.....this seems to be the week of the one half of the story only to gain outrage and sympathy.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Our town's dentist is technically an NHS dentists, but apparently you need the luck of the devil to get on the NHS list there (they are very good dentists, if that helps).

    A new dentist has opened up in the town, in a very central location. And from what I see on their website, they don't take NHS patients.

    We're lucky in that we can afford to go private. But many people we know can not, and some don't have cars to take them to NHS dentists elsewhere.

    The system will have to change; I don't know in what way, though.
    I agree entirely. Dental care in the UK is appallling. If anything I am surprised this hasn't become an issue before
    It's one of an ever increasing number of appalling issues, so basically they get buried unless or until it becomes an issue the media decides to run with. Eg the Post Office/Horizon, the contaminated blood scandal, NHS dentistry. NHS waiting lists

    Other neglected appalling issues:
    The courts backlog and overflowing prisons
    Problems arising from climate change (flooding, Loss of wildlife)
    SNP secrecy and corruption issues
    Social Care and pensions timebomb
    Reliable Energy supply
    The gradual but continual diversion of the lions share of money to the ultra rich
    To name but a few

    Meanwhile the media provides a diet of triva, what the royals are doing, which politician insulted another, celeb gossip etc

    Even those of us who despair on the state of the world are sitting back and waiting for someone else to Do Something about it all.

    Sorry, I'm not feeling very optimistic this morning




  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,544

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    The government can afford it, it's just choosing not to do it.
    How do you "end immigration" in a world where firms will move out of the UK if they can't hire global talent, and where there are demonstrable labour shortages in sectors like social care and effectively full employment? Ending immigration isn't a solution because it will simply make things worse and is not even possible.
    The problem is that no-one (and I mean no-one) has put forwarded a sustainable structure.

    The people who deny that we need to create infrastructure at the same rate as the population increase are insane. Yet, the after time, they say "Yes, I am in favour of more factories, railways etc. But not this one. Or this one. Or that one."

    Time to build a canal city on Lake Windermere. Just to smash the smug. Well, also for the beauty we could create.
    Give local people less control over planning and development, whilst also giving solid financial incentives to councils to support development.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
    Apart from it being on woke Channel 4 at new year and on 4OD (maybe still is) it’s barely showable.
    Was it? i am genuinely surprised, and encouraged

    It was my late father's favourite movie: he took me and my bro and sister to variously see it about seven times (just so he could see it again, I think). Luckily, I also loved it
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,986
    Pulpstar said:

    Don't know if this has been commented on in previous threads but Nevada held its Democratic primary on Tuesday. The United States being what it is with timely counting (and Nevada seems particularly poor at electoral administration), not all the votes are in yet but the top-line is unsurprising: Biden has won with about 90% (NotA finished second with nearly 6%).

    Point is, that's another 36 pledged delegates in Biden's bag, giving him a clean sweep of the 91 up for grabs so far. Small beer out of the 3,770 to be elected in total (never mind the 4,540 once super-delegates are added in), but it's another incremental step and each such step makes it harder for the Democrats to pick anyone else, or to do so in a way that looks, well, democratic.

    In a month or so, it'll be all but over. Super Tuesday is in less than 4 weeks, by when a third of delegates will have been chosen. A week later, another 6.5% are up for grabs; a week after that, another 10% will be - and that should then be that, providing Biden wants to remain in the race, which he gives every indication of wanting to do.

    Biden probably won't die between now and the end of the Democratic primaries. But it's a massively higher chance, by orders of magnitude than him actually losing the primaries. And if he does die, it'll be Harris.
    He might voluntarily step down but not for Harris. It would have to be for someone who he believes has an even better chance of defeating Trump.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,002
    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Don't know if this has been commented on in previous threads but Nevada held its Democratic primary on Tuesday. The United States being what it is with timely counting (and Nevada seems particularly poor at electoral administration), not all the votes are in yet but the top-line is unsurprising: Biden has won with about 90% (NotA finished second with nearly 6%).

    Point is, that's another 36 pledged delegates in Biden's bag, giving him a clean sweep of the 91 up for grabs so far. Small beer out of the 3,770 to be elected in total (never mind the 4,540 once super-delegates are added in), but it's another incremental step and each such step makes it harder for the Democrats to pick anyone else, or to do so in a way that looks, well, democratic.

    In a month or so, it'll be all but over. Super Tuesday is in less than 4 weeks, by when a third of delegates will have been chosen. A week later, another 6.5% are up for grabs; a week after that, another 10% will be - and that should then be that, providing Biden wants to remain in the race, which he gives every indication of wanting to do.

    Biden probably won't die between now and the end of the Democratic primaries. But it's a massively higher chance, by orders of magnitude than him actually losing the primaries. And if he does die, it'll be Harris.
    He might voluntarily step down but not for Harris. It would have to be for someone who he believes has an even better chance of defeating Trump.
    These are words which go together well ... :smile:
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,542
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
    Apart from it being on woke Channel 4 at new year and on 4OD (maybe still is) it’s barely showable.
    It is on all the bloody time. Not sure what Leon is getting at. I know because it sucks me in every time. The Hook story line is a really good one - bad boy comes good. Shame it is complete fiction and upsets his family so much, but then most films of true events do this as otherwise they would be boring if they were really true accounts.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    Eabhal said:

    Brompton, of the cool folding bicycle and Great British success story (loads of them exported out here to Melbourne, for example) have plans for an ambitious new factory in Kent.

    4,000 jobs. A 60 acre nature reserve. 200,000 bikes a year. Actual manufacturing investment in the UK!

    BUT NO.

    National Highways, for the fourth time in a row, have opposed the plans, delaying the approval process. All because Brompton want their staff to commute by bicycle, rather than by car.

    If anyone wants to understand why the UK will struggle to mitigate climate change, has chronic congestion problems, zero productivity growth and a dearth of investment, see the above.

    Process. Probably they don't promote ZEVs enough, therefore computer says no.

    On the subject of Brompton - they have a very good hire scheme (small but growing) https://bromptonhire.com/our-locations/. Mostly railway stations.

    Quite a few times now, on the days with better weather, I've seen people taking them on trains out to the countryside. A number of times, it's a couple with one person with an owned Brompton (work) and the other hiring one for the day.

    Well worth a look.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,978

    https://www.ft.com/content/6fb1602d-a08b-4a8c-bac0-047b7d64aba5

    This is a fantastic article, I thoroughly recommend it.

    It really is good. For those without a subscription I found a free copy here: https://westobserver.com/business/enshittification-is-coming-for-absolutely-everything/

    Thanks very much for the recommendation. I used to think I didn't like Apps because I am a technical incompetent. Now I have a much better range of reasons.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,042
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
    Apart from it being on woke Channel 4 at new year and on 4OD (maybe still is) it’s barely showable.
    "Woke Channel 4" - is this the separate channel to "Stripped to waist, riding bears in the woods with V. Putin, Channel 4" ?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,266
    I see the Right are pushing back over Rishi's PMQs controversy yesterday. The alternative narrative is that Sir Keir put on a mawkish, insincere display that milked a tragic murder for his own grubby political ends. Which narrative will gain supremacy?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
    Saw a wild boar yesterday just walking beside a road not a care in the world.
    Impressive

    But where?

    In France, much less impressive: they have trillions, they are basically vermin. I have seen a sanglier

    In Britain: impressive! I've never seen one totally. I believe I glimpsed one in the Chilterns, but can't be sure (they're not meant to be there), I saw a trotter-print in Sussex, and I went looking for them in the Forest of Dean, which has loads, but had no luck

    I like them. A bit of wildness
    France but just on the outskirts of Villefranche old town. Where you'd find a fox in England. A first for me.

    Nice. They can be properly dangerous, I think. We need more of that

    I'm pro-wolf, I'd reintroduce them to Scotland, Northumberland, Cumbria and Wales tomorrow
    Something we agree on. Nothing more enlivening than connecting with wild animals.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Don't know if this has been commented on in previous threads but Nevada held its Democratic primary on Tuesday. The United States being what it is with timely counting (and Nevada seems particularly poor at electoral administration), not all the votes are in yet but the top-line is unsurprising: Biden has won with about 90% (NotA finished second with nearly 6%).

    Point is, that's another 36 pledged delegates in Biden's bag, giving him a clean sweep of the 91 up for grabs so far. Small beer out of the 3,770 to be elected in total (never mind the 4,540 once super-delegates are added in), but it's another incremental step and each such step makes it harder for the Democrats to pick anyone else, or to do so in a way that looks, well, democratic.

    In a month or so, it'll be all but over. Super Tuesday is in less than 4 weeks, by when a third of delegates will have been chosen. A week later, another 6.5% are up for grabs; a week after that, another 10% will be - and that should then be that, providing Biden wants to remain in the race, which he gives every indication of wanting to do.

    Biden probably won't die between now and the end of the Democratic primaries. But it's a massively higher chance, by orders of magnitude than him actually losing the primaries. And if he does die, it'll be Harris.
    He might voluntarily step down but not for Harris. It would have to be for someone who he believes has an even better chance of defeating Trump.
    I think this is the most unbelievable moment in American (and therefore potentially global) politics.

    Choose between Biden and Trump

    How can the civilised world have degenerated so much as to make this possible?

    This is way more serious than climate change. Discuss
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,544

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Our town's dentist is technically an NHS dentists, but apparently you need the luck of the devil to get on the NHS list there (they are very good dentists, if that helps).

    A new dentist has opened up in the town, in a very central location. And from what I see on their website, they don't take NHS patients.

    We're lucky in that we can afford to go private. But many people we know can not, and some don't have cars to take them to NHS dentists elsewhere.

    The system will have to change; I don't know in what way, though.
    I agree entirely. Dental care in the UK is appallling. If anything I am surprised this hasn't become an issue before
    It's one of an ever increasing number of appalling issues, so basically they get buried unless or until it becomes an issue the media decides to run with. Eg the Post Office/Horizon, the contaminated blood scandal, NHS dentistry. NHS waiting lists

    Other neglected appalling issues:
    The courts backlog and overflowing prisons
    Problems arising from climate change (flooding, Loss of wildlife)
    SNP secrecy and corruption issues
    Social Care and pensions timebomb
    Reliable Energy supply
    The gradual but continual diversion of the lions share of money to the ultra rich
    To name but a few

    Meanwhile the media provides a diet of triva, what the royals are doing, which politician insulted another, celeb gossip etc

    Even those of us who despair on the state of the world are sitting back and waiting for someone else to Do Something about it all.

    Sorry, I'm not feeling very optimistic this morning




    You didn't get where you are today by not being optimistic!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,309
    Eabhal said:

    Brompton, of the cool folding bicycle and Great British success story (loads of them exported out here to Melbourne, for example) have plans for an ambitious new factory in Kent.

    4,000 jobs. A 60 acre nature reserve. 200,000 bikes a year. Actual manufacturing investment in the UK!

    BUT NO.

    National Highways, for the fourth time in a row, have opposed the plans, delaying the approval process. All because Brompton want their staff to commute by bicycle, rather than by car.

    If anyone wants to understand why the UK will struggle to mitigate carbon emissions, has chronic congestion problems, zero productivity growth and a dearth of investment, see the above.

    It seems like the issue is with Brompton not providing parking spaces, which is understandable given their approach and philosophy but the Highways England concerns are also understandable as they're worried about people parking on nearby roads (on the basis not everyone working there is going to be within cycling distance). Sounds like they need to get together around a table to thrash it out.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,461
    kjh said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
    Apart from it being on woke Channel 4 at new year and on 4OD (maybe still is) it’s barely showable.
    It is on all the bloody time. Not sure what Leon is getting at. I know because it sucks me in every time. The Hook story line is a really good one - bad boy comes good. Shame it is complete fiction and upsets his family so much, but then most films of true events do this as otherwise they would be boring if they were really true accounts.
    I am happy to accept that in this instance - the public broadcasting of Zulu - I am totally wrong, and pleased to be wrong

    It always sucks me in too. The scene where they do the rapid fire shooting is one of the most amazing and rivetting in all cinema. Also the Welsh singing: spine tingling!
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 3,630
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    That isn't what that video says to any sane person

    Now, don't get me wrong,. every person in that queue deserves free dental care, that is our national policy, that is their right. And dentistry in the UK has been SHITE for decades, and getting worse (I get all mine in Bangkok)

    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue (compared to national average) does suggest that part of the problem with our NHS (and much else) is the fact we are allowing in immigrants at an historically unprecedented rate - 1.3m in two years, more, per capita, than ever entered the USA - and that is going to fuck up a free heath service, and much else, unless the economy explodes with growth (which it has not done)

    Of course, much of the blame lies with the Tories, they've been in power 14 years and demonstrably screwed this up. Fie on them
    It demonstrates a longstanding truth, that NHS services are worse in poorer areas. The paucity of the services owes nothing to immigration and everything to a government policy of underfunding the NHS and public services more broadly. Immigration is just the convenient excuse Tory stooges wheel out to cover for the government's failings, lapped up by the week minded.
    Do you really honestly believe that adding 10m people to our population, in a few short years - an influx so vast it is greater (per capita) than America experienced during the era of Ellis Island - has NOT put pressure on our NHS, infra, sewage, education, etc?

    I mean, to me this is so ridiculous it is not debatable. It is blindingly obvious. But if you demur I'm kinda impressed
    Of course, if the government chooses not to fund the necessary expansion of public services. But that is a choice.
    And what if the government literally can't afford to fund this necessary expansion. What then? The obvious answer is: end immigration

    Would you agree with that?
    Even if we accept your premise (I don't) the question is a) how and b) how much does that cost?

    If you end immigration we have to increase spending on borders and visa checks and policing people who do and don't have documentation. We have to have more raids and deportations and such. All this requires infrastructure, training, staff, legal battles, boats etc. that the state does not currently have.

    Whereas, again, the government could spend more on infrastructure that benefits everyone (including immigrants) and do some Keynesian economics at the same time. But the government doesn't want to do that because it is wedded to austerity and only the private sector being able to deliver things.

    Whether it's a new Garden City somewhere or appropriate developments on the edges of existing urban areas - I think we both agree new development wouldn't be bad. It's just that the governments answer to new development will be "let a private company do it and build loads of 4-5 bedroom houses that only well off people can afford, as well as a few luxury flats, and let them be overpriced and sold to landlords or investment companies and therefore not alleviate the pressure on the market at all". And that won't solve the underlying issues of rent and house prices being too high. We need council housing to create a base line of affordable homes of acceptable quality.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 3,818
    kjh said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
    But the obvious BME over-representation in that queue
    This is where you fucked up.
    No, it isn't

    It will be newcomers seeking dentists. Settled citizens (of any stripe) will already have dentists, in the main

    For the last eight years the vast majority of migration into Britain - since Brexit - has been non-white, non-EU. You would therefore expect a queue of new people, presumably seeking a dentist, to be non-white
    I didn't see you travelling down this path tbh. What does it matter what colour people are. Plus I've no idea whether your "stat" is true. I haven't yet come across a black Polish plumber or Romanian bricklayer or indeed Albanian chippie but I'm sure some exist.

    Or are you feeling a bit besieged on PB atm and are doubling down.
    I am merely saying that the video is - arguably - a visual representation of the pressure mass migration is putting on the UK's public services and infra. This is hardly a new point from me, I am hardly going off on a new Nazi tangent, am I? I expect you've heard me make the point before

    And yet there are PB-ers who deny this is an issue. Who deny that mass migration might be at least part of the reason we see such pressure on UK health, education, sewage, roads, &c

    See below

    i do feel slightly beseiged, but I quite enjoy it (for now). With @Casino_Royale gone I am like the last redcoat in Zulu, the drunken malingerer in the sick bay turned hero, shooting up at the thatch as the lefty hordes overwhelm the Drift. Hooky. That was his name. Hooky. Got a VC didn't he?
    The drunken malingerer thing was bullshit, incidentally. He was a lay Methodist preacher and an exemplary soldier, IIRC.

    Also, IIRC, his descendants protested at his portrayal
    Great movie, tho. Really really great

    I imagine it is barely showable now, as it is quite non-Woke
    Apart from it being on woke Channel 4 at new year and on 4OD (maybe still is) it’s barely showable.
    It is on all the bloody time. Not sure what Leon is getting at. I know because it sucks me in every time. The Hook story line is a really good one - bad boy comes good. Shame it is complete fiction and upsets his family so much, but then most films of true events do this as otherwise they would be boring if they were really true accounts.
    It has to be watched on a non-Summer bank holiday weekend for me. No idea why but maybe just a reminder of childhood watching it on bank holidays. Don’t know why they changed it to a Welsh regiment though.

    Wish they would show Khartoum again as well - last time it was on tv they showed it with the cinema intermission which was weird but fun.

    On old films with Charlton Heston I was watching 55 days at Peking the other week and was amused by Heston giving it large as the tough military man giving David Niven grief and then comparing their real life military service was amusing, I could imagine Niven raising his eyebrow as Heston spoke his lines.
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