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  • Good news for Labour... nothing about their U-turn
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,423
    The Mirror's tone deaf Tories,,,, whether or not Starmer was a bit quick to jump on it, Sunak certainly comes out of it looking a bit crXp. I can sense a dirty GE campaign coming.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,437
    Nine front pages, with nine different stories.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,498
    Sandpit said:

    Nine front pages, with nine different stories.

    Slow news day. Neither PMQsgate nor GreenPledgeGate is resonating.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    Had Starmer made such an egregious error as Sunak at PMQs, the Times, Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun and Star would have shared the same lead.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,498

    Had Starmer made such an egregious error as Sunak at PMQs, the Times, Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun and Star would have shared the same lead.

    Maybe, although these papers have not splashed Labour dropping the £28 billion green pledge which had allegedly been pencilled in as the Conservatives' next attack line.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,506

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,243
    Unusual to have so many different headlines. Not much agreement as to what is the most important story.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,673
    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 43,514
    edited February 8
    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,126

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    This is what the internationally-agreed rules say, so you can put it the other way around and ask: Aside from the rowing boat issue, would the system be better if someone who escaped to a safe country had to remain in that safe country and couldn't go further away from the place they're fleeing? I think it would be worse because countries closer to the source of a crisis generally have more people showing up, so if there's a threshold where there are too many people showing up for a country to cope, it's better if the people involved spread themselves further into different countries.

    I think British anti-immigration people would understand this if Britain was closer to a source of refugees. If they'd taken in 3 million people fleeing from Icelandic volcano carnage [*] and some of them had friends in Germany and wanted to move on, and they got apprehended trying to enter Germany, they wouldn't be saying "fair enough, we got them first, we'll take them back".

    [*] I know, Iceland doesn't have that many people although they have a lot of volcano carnage.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 924
    edited February 8

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    I'm guessing the problem is that he was in Germany illegally, so when he showed up, we couldn't just send him back there. (see also why we can't just return all the boat arrivals to France ASAP). Do we currently return people to Syria if their claim fails - I suspect not.
    That said, I don't see why we can't give the French a taste of their own medicine and not try too hard to stop him boarding a lorry to go and become someone else's problem.

    It does show the whole system is broken, but it's difficult to see a solution. Ideally, because he'd been in Germany for several years, we'd just send him back there, but I doubt they would take him if he was there illegally, and I can't see the world collectively agreeing to a "return to the first safe country you got to" system.
    Having a cheap, safe place to send these people (like Rwanda) sounds like easily the best option, but half the political establishment is determined to prevent us, and at least a quarter seems to be determined to make loads of noise about it without actually doing it (hello Rishi - wonder why I think you're a waste of space).
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 4,613

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Insight from from 'redballs' in the comment section:

    "Where is the leftist loonys demanding that the government step in immediately to help this poor man leave."
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,072

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    This is what the internationally-agreed rules say, so you can put it the other way around and ask: Aside from the rowing boat issue, would the system be better if someone who escaped to a safe country had to remain in that safe country and couldn't go further away from the place they're fleeing? I think it would be worse because countries closer to the source of a crisis generally have more people showing up, so if there's a threshold where there are too many people showing up for a country to cope, it's better if the people involved spread themselves further into different countries.

    I think British anti-immigration people would understand this if Britain was closer to a source of refugees. If they'd taken in 3 million people fleeing from Icelandic volcano carnage [*] and some of them had friends in Germany and wanted to move on, and they got apprehended trying to enter Germany, they wouldn't be saying "fair enough, we got them first, we'll take them back".

    [*] I know, Iceland doesn't have that many people although they have a lot of volcano carnage.
    IMV it's the better solution. Turkey has housed millions of Syrian refugees for well over a decade, and has allowed them certain rights. It has been hard on Turkey's economy. Perhaps the best route is for other countries to pay neighbouring countries to help them with the costs?

    But when Cameron proposed such a deal with Turkey, there were extreme howls of protest.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,437

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    On the face of it that seems mad, but, as with Guardian stories about immigration cases, there’s usually an omission or two in the story that make the actuality quite different from the newspaper’s report.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,768
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,243
    Foxy said:

    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.

    I bet it'll be a flop.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196

    Had Starmer made such an egregious error as Sunak at PMQs, the Times, Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun and Star would have shared the same lead.

    Maybe, although these papers have not splashed Labour dropping the £28 billion green pledge which had allegedly been pencilled in as the Conservatives' next attack line.
    Announced too late for the early editions? Maybe tomorrow.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 13,743
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.

    I bet it'll be a flop.
    Challenge with Viagra is finding puns that aren't too blue.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,243

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.

    I bet it'll be a flop.
    Challenge with Viagra is finding puns that aren't too blue.
    Let's not get a head of ourselves.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 46,805
    Foxy said:

    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.

    I agree; before I start my mother on the viagra I’d like to know that story can stand up.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Today is Tucker Putin Day!

    I hope we are all celebrating. I might start with a shot of voddie
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,129

    Sandpit said:

    Nine front pages, with nine different stories.

    Slow news day. Neither PMQsgate nor GreenPledgeGate is resonating.
    None of them went with the big news about the Chinese accusing Messi of snubbing Hong Kong
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,258
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.

    I bet it'll be a flop.
    I feel sure the journo.who wrote this story is making a dick of himself.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,591
    Does the blue tablet reduce your risk of Alzheimers?

    Hard to say. Very hard
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 43,514
    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,072
    edited February 8
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Today is Tucker Putin Day!

    I hope we are all celebrating. I might start with a shot of voddie

    So, two humourless enemies of American democracy compete to see who is the biggest asshole?
    And it is celebrated and promoted by other assholes...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,126
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Today is Tucker Putin Day!

    I hope we are all celebrating. I might start with a shot of voddie

    So, two humourless enemies of American democracy compete to see who is the biggest asshole?
    Tucker has the chance to do the funniest thing ever and do a proper hard-hitting interview.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,880
    LOL at the Express! We used to talk about QTWTAINs on here.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,339
    Leon said:

    Today is Tucker Putin Day!

    I hope we are all celebrating. I might start with a shot of voddie

    I see it is 11GMT and will be on his website and, at a later day, on "X".

    He has also asked for an interview with Zelensky. Be interesting to see if that is forthcoming.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tucker-carlson-vladimir-putin-interview-when-and-how-to-watch-it-what-we-know-so-far/ar-BB1hSJHV

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,366
    Dura_Ace said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
    Stick him on a train to Dublin.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,498
    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
  • ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    We need some hard science on the Viagra story.

    I bet it'll be a flop.
    Challenge with Viagra is finding puns that aren't too blue.
    At least you will get a night to remember.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,703
    edited February 8
    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,584

    Dura_Ace said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
    Stick him on a train to Dublin.
    Sunak should stick him on a plane to Rwanda and claim his £1,000.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 43,514

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
  • I am so glad I started taking Viagra twenty years ago, I only take it to stop myself rolling out of bed.

    Pro tip, swallow the Viagra tablet quickly otherwise you'll get a stiff neck.
  • The Tories are revolting.

    Rishi Sunak faces internal revolt over plan to scrap ‘boiler tax’

    Climate minister and officials fear stopping the scheme could put Britain’s net zero ambitions in jeopardy


    The energy secretary is facing a revolt from her climate minister and senior officials over plans to scrap a so-called “boiler tax” designed to incentivise the uptake of heat pumps.

    Graham Stuart, the minister of state for climate, is considering resigning after Claire Coutinho, the energy secretary, backed down in the face of industry concerns.

    He has privately warned that scrapping the scheme could put Britain’s net zero ambitions in jeopardy while allowing boiler manufacturers to continue pushing “unmitigated emissions” from home heating to protect their business model. He said the decision left the government at “severe legal risk”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ishi-sunak-boiler-tax-2024-heat-pumps-t85tqlnr8
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,529
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,466

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    This is what the internationally-agreed rules say, so you can put it the other way around and ask: Aside from the rowing boat issue, would the system be better if someone who escaped to a safe country had to remain in that safe country and couldn't go further away from the place they're fleeing? I think it would be worse because countries closer to the source of a crisis generally have more people showing up, so if there's a threshold where there are too many people showing up for a country to cope, it's better if the people involved spread themselves further into different countries.

    I think British anti-immigration people would understand this if Britain was closer to a source of refugees. If they'd taken in 3 million people fleeing from Icelandic volcano carnage [*] and some of them had friends in Germany and wanted to move on, and they got apprehended trying to enter Germany, they wouldn't be saying "fair enough, we got them first, we'll take them back".

    [*] I know, Iceland doesn't have that many people although they have a lot of volcano carnage.
    Rules are crap then , this clownwas an economic migrant at best and should have been on teh next boat home.
    This country is truly Fcuked up by morons and do gooders running the public services.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 46,805

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
  • With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    My mother has just about forgiven me for marrying outside the faith, I know she would never forgive me for drinking.

    Not drinking/eating a halal diet is how I can claim to be a good Muslim.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,072

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Today is Tucker Putin Day!

    I hope we are all celebrating. I might start with a shot of voddie

    So, two humourless enemies of American democracy compete to see who is the biggest asshole?
    Tucker has the chance to do the funniest thing ever and do a proper hard-hitting interview.
    That won't happen, as the Kremlin won't allow it. There may be questions that *sound* difficult, but they'll all have been agreed in advance.

    Russia is at war; and it sees a great way of helping it prosecute that war is to remove its enemy's external supporters. Hence that's the aim of this interview: to make Ukraine the bad guy. It'll be: "We're just defending ourselves!"

    Both sides will want a win out of this; but that's easy when both sides want the same thing.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,129
    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    This is what the internationally-agreed rules say, so you can put it the other way around and ask: Aside from the rowing boat issue, would the system be better if someone who escaped to a safe country had to remain in that safe country and couldn't go further away from the place they're fleeing? I think it would be worse because countries closer to the source of a crisis generally have more people showing up, so if there's a threshold where there are too many people showing up for a country to cope, it's better if the people involved spread themselves further into different countries.

    I think British anti-immigration people would understand this if Britain was closer to a source of refugees. If they'd taken in 3 million people fleeing from Icelandic volcano carnage [*] and some of them had friends in Germany and wanted to move on, and they got apprehended trying to enter Germany, they wouldn't be saying "fair enough, we got them first, we'll take them back".

    [*] I know, Iceland doesn't have that many people although they have a lot of volcano
    carnage.
    There is a huge difference between someone who is “passing through” a safe country as part of their flight and someone who stayed there for 5 years.

    You don’t preserve a perpetual right to claim asylum - it should be an imminent threat to trigger that.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,244
    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    If true, that is an excellent post.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,529
    edited February 8
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    February fill-dyke!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    darkage said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Insight from from 'redballs' in the comment section:

    "Where is the leftist loonys demanding that the government step in immediately to help this poor man leave."
    “Insight” doing a lot of work there
  • malcolmg said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    This is what the internationally-agreed rules say, so you can put it the other way around and ask: Aside from the rowing boat issue, would the system be better if someone who escaped to a safe country had to remain in that safe country and couldn't go further away from the place they're fleeing? I think it would be worse because countries closer to the source of a crisis generally have more people showing up, so if there's a threshold where there are too many people showing up for a country to cope, it's better if the people involved spread themselves further into different countries.

    I think British anti-immigration people would understand this if Britain was closer to a source of refugees. If they'd taken in 3 million people fleeing from Icelandic volcano carnage [*] and some of them had friends in Germany and wanted to move on, and they got apprehended trying to enter Germany, they wouldn't be saying "fair enough, we got them first, we'll take them back".

    [*] I know, Iceland doesn't have that many people although they have a lot of volcano carnage.
    Rules are crap then , this clownwas an economic migrant at best and should have been on teh next boat home.
    This country is truly Fcuked up by morons and do gooders running the public services.
    Yes, we are fucked because we do not people illegally leave the country. We should turn a blind eye and not check vehicles, thus ensuring that the worst criminals and suspects can simply slip away from justice.

    That what you want? You can't turn a blind eye selectively.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    Sandpit said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    On the face of it that seems mad, but, as with Guardian stories about immigration cases, there’s usually an omission or two in the story that make the actuality quite different from the newspaper’s report.
    Very likely - hence the caveat at the beginning

    I suspect - as noted above - he was in Germany illegally which complicates matters.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,182

    The Tories are revolting.

    Rishi Sunak faces internal revolt over plan to scrap ‘boiler tax’

    Climate minister and officials fear stopping the scheme could put Britain’s net zero ambitions in jeopardy


    The energy secretary is facing a revolt from her climate minister and senior officials over plans to scrap a so-called “boiler tax” designed to incentivise the uptake of heat pumps.

    Graham Stuart, the minister of state for climate, is considering resigning after Claire Coutinho, the energy secretary, backed down in the face of industry concerns.

    He has privately warned that scrapping the scheme could put Britain’s net zero ambitions in jeopardy while allowing boiler manufacturers to continue pushing “unmitigated emissions” from home heating to protect their business model. He said the decision left the government at “severe legal risk”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ishi-sunak-boiler-tax-2024-heat-pumps-t85tqlnr8

    Any government that turns off the gas supply to everyone's home and forces us all to rip out our central heating and start again will face the biggest public backlash ever seen.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,703
    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,729
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    No snow here yet ahead of the quite focussed northern amber zone coming into effect at midday, though some snow is forecast this morning, we've had rain and the radar says the front of the main precipitation band is close.

    The special schools on our side of Kirklees have closed in anticipation, and the sixth forms have gone remote for the day, but mainstream 5-16 schools are all.open this
    morning with no fussing messages issued. Will see how things progress.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 3,647
    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,182
    On this Viagra story...

    Normally researchers would conduct a longitudinal study.

    On this occasion that may be ninety degrees out.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    I’m heading off to California. 3 weeks of grey clouds, flat polls and fractious colleagues and I need a break
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,244
    The Viagra story is just too easy to pun so I shall not go there. However it seems more likely to me that it would be the active sex life and related social connections preventing alzheimers rather than the drug itself?
  • IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    I’m heading off to California. 3 weeks of grey clouds, flat polls and fractious colleagues and I need a break
    Try Grimsby instead.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    You’re such an ingenue
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    edited February 8

    The Viagra story is just too easy to pun so I shall not go there. However it seems more likely to me that it would be the active sex life and related social connections preventing alzheimers rather than the drug itself?

    May be.

    Although increased blood flow to the brain may help as well

    Edit: I meant the big brain, not the little brain!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    I’m heading off to California. 3 weeks of grey clouds, flat polls and fractious colleagues and I need a break
    Try Grimsby instead.
    Hard to relate to folks from Grimsby
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 60,479
    "The United States bought more goods from Mexico than China in 2023 for the first time in 20 years. The trade deficit with China narrowed significantly last year, with goods imports from the country dropping 20 percent to $427.2 billion”
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1755411177167798295
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 60,479
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 60,479

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    You’re such an ingenue
    Gnu, please.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 42,827
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    During the Yugoslav wars, journalists gave interviews to such people as Arkan and Ratko Mladić. Some were quite er… unchallenging.

    Funny thing - The Tankies were on the pro-genocide team on that one as well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 60,479
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    edited February 8

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    During the Yugoslav wars, journalists gave interviews to such people as Arkan and Ratko Mladić. Some were quite er… unchallenging.

    Funny thing - The Tankies were on the pro-genocide team on that one as well.
    It’s all great for Tucker and Musk. The more absurd the hysteria the more people will watch it

    I stand by my prediction it will end up the most watched political interview of all time
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,632
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    You've got to love Kinabalu's favourite Old Haileyburian Bazza Gardiner.

    Labour's u-turn is "politically jejeune".

    Classic Old Labour rhetoric.

    “Jejune” please Topping.
    You’re such an ingenue
    Gnu, please.
    G’nother Gnu?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill and see what actually happens
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Let's see if Carlson probes with a sharp and unpleasantly shaped stick or merely blows smoke up Putin's arse. I suspect it will be the latter, so EU, in that event ban away.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,072
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    During the Yugoslav wars, journalists gave interviews to such people as Arkan and Ratko Mladić. Some were quite er… unchallenging.

    Funny thing - The Tankies were on the pro-genocide team on that one as well.
    It’s all great for Tucker and Musk. The more absurd the hysteria the more people will watch it

    I stand by my prediction it will end up the most watched political interview of all time
    I think you need to define 'watched'. Number of impressions? Number of clips seen? Number of people who watched the whole thing?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 60,479
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill and see what actually happens
    Given his lifetime's output, and Putin's willingness to do the interview, you'd require an IQ even lower than yours not to work that one out.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 13,743
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    During the Yugoslav wars, journalists gave interviews to such people as Arkan and Ratko Mladić. Some were quite er… unchallenging.

    Funny thing - The Tankies were on the pro-genocide team on that one as well.
    It’s all great for Tucker and Musk. The more absurd the hysteria the more people will watch it

    I stand by my prediction it will end up the most watched political interview of all time
    Wonder what the current record is?

    Frost-Nixon got 45 million for the first part.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 17,606
    edited February 8
    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Yes the 1.5C target is ridiculously low and based on centuries old data.

    1.5C from here, that might be meaningful. 1.5C from what was a colder age anyway, when we're already consistently at 1.2C is utterly meaningless rounding error stuff.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 13,743
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 43,514

    The Viagra story is just too easy to pun so I shall not go there. However it seems more likely to me that it would be the active sex life and related social connections preventing alzheimers rather than the drug itself?

    There is some biochemical plausibility for a positive effect, but it may well be simple correlation such as a marker of a more active lifestyle, or even survival bias with Viagra users more likely to die than get alzheimers as Viagra use is often in vascular disease.

    The Guardian discusses it here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/07/viagra-may-help-to-lower-the-risk-of-alzheimers-disease-study-finds

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,673
    Is it me or does this headline Just 2 months to beat Hunt's double capital gains and inheritance tax grab so act fast read as "If you're reasonably well off, get dieing FAST to avoid tax" ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 43,514
    Nigelb said:

    "The United States bought more goods from Mexico than China in 2023 for the first time in 20 years. The trade deficit with China narrowed significantly last year, with goods imports from the country dropping 20 percent to $427.2 billion”
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1755411177167798295

    Bidenism working better than Trumpism...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 43,514

    TOPPING said:

    The thing about all the fuss over the 1.5 degrees is that many people will look out of the window and think "meh".

    Yes the 1.5C target is ridiculously low and based on centuries old data.

    1.5C from here, that might be meaningful. 1.5C from what was a colder age anyway, when we're already consistently at 1.2C is utterly meaningless rounding error stuff.
    1.5° from here means climate catastrophe for large parts of the world.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 38,654
    Pulpstar said:

    Is it me or does this headline Just 2 months to beat Hunt's double capital gains and inheritance tax grab so act fast read as "If you're reasonably well off, get dieing FAST to avoid tax" ?

    Bit illogical given the millions of promises and hints from the Tories, including on here, that the Tories will abolish IHT. Something wrong there ...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill and see what actually happens
    On your final point you are correct. Wait and see. Although all the evidence points to Carlson fellating Putin on a screen near you.

    Putin is an existential threat to European harmony. The EU are perfectly entitled to sanction anyone who promotes conflict against peace in Europe.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 38,654

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    How is it that for some people "one MEP wonders about X" = instantly and infallibly means "EU tries to impose a ban"?
    Perhaps they're not very clever.
    I can certainly say with accuracy, you wouldn't get my tortoise making that non sequitur.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,796

    Dura_Ace said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    With all the caveats - this is one case, it’s the Daily Mail (so may be at least half true), etc etc this is a good example of why ordinary people get frustrated by the asylum system

    * Fled Syria in 2014 to avoid being called up. Ok, seems reasonable
    * Settled in Germany where he had family. Makes sense
    * 3 years ago he rowed with his family because he drinks and smokes and they said that means he’s not a good Muslim. Hmmh. Seems unlikely… may be @TheScreamingEagles can comment
    * To quote him: 'I thought the UK would be a good place to find work in the construction industry, I am a talented plasterer,'

    In what world is someone who was settled for 5+ years in Germany and has admitted that they are coming to the UK to find work a potential asylum claimant. And how has it taken 3 years to make that determination?

    This isn’t a comment on the level of immigration or the need for people to do jobs. It’s a comment on the breakdown is the asylum process. If you want legal immigration that should be separate


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13058261/why-wont-police-let-leave-britain-ilegal-channel-migrant-living-rowing-boat.html

    Quite: this should have been a 48 hour determination at most.
    We must have the only police force in the world that actively tried to stop someone who admits, and is actively trying to go stop leaving !
    But, what can they do with this boat-dwelling arsehole? They can't deport him to Syria. They can't deport him to Germany because of our hard won BREXIT FREEDOMS. The Old Bill can't just not enforce the law that says you can't blag your way onto ferries.
    Stick him on a train to Dublin.
    Brutal! I remember aged 18 going to Spain for a week just before taking up my first job. On the beach I met an English guy about the same age as me with a battered boat and 'Joe's Speedboat' daubed on the side.

    He had a bevy of girls around him and every now and then someone would turn up wanting a ski he'd give them a spin round the bay. I spent most of the week with him and I spent the next several years wondering why I was working like a dog in London and wasn't doing what Joe was doing with his bevvy of girls not a care in the world driving his speedboat.

    When did we become this morose place where we worry about someone from another country sleeping under a boat or even buying one if he wants to? What's wrong with foreigners being here? When did this obsession start?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,498
    Bagpipes allowed inside Euro 2024 stadiums
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clmjdnmle1eo
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,129
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill and see what actually happens
    As usual you will believe any bullshit far right or pro-Putin propaganda. Obviously it wasn't clear enough (at least not to a dimwit like you) so I'll put it in all caps for you

    THE EU IS NOT SEEKING A TRAVEL BAN ON CARLSON

    Of course, as a general point, the UK, for example, does ban people when it doesn't like what they say:

    Here's an example from last year of the UK banning the Austrian nationalist at the centre of the Potsdam meeting that got millions of Germans demonstrating against the far-right the last few weeks, an American 'youtube commentator and author', and a Canadian 'right-wing activist':

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1GO2LP/

    maybe Musk tweeted about that too
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 38,654
    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Er, you haven't noticed that we have discussed it several times on PB, including Labour's modification of the photo to a Britain Isn't Working-style election poster. But it is always good to remind ourselves that that is the way in which current government policy drills down to the ordinary punter on the street.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,196
    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Stop talking down Conservative Britain. Are you some kind of communist fifth columnist?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 44,916
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Elon Musk has joined in with his usual kind of bullshit
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1755254449285820764

    "If true, this would be disturbing indeed.

    One may agree with Tucker or not, but he is a major American journalist and such an action would greatly offend the American public."

    followed by retweeting:
    "The European Union is said to be seeking sanctions and a "travel ban" against Tucker Carlson for his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin."

    As a general rule, if anyone starts by saying 'If true' it's fairly likely that they already know that what follows isn't true, and just enjoy spreading misinformation because they are arseholes.

    But wait, Christiane Amanpour of CNN (a fine and famous journalist) and multiple other celebrated hacks, have all said they’ve tried and tried to get interviews with Putin

    Is the EU going to ban them as well? Why not? So why are they banning Tucker C? For succeeding as a journalist?

    Preposterous bollocks; thank god we left the EU
    Perhaps because they were trying to interview Putin rather than propagandise on his behalf ?

    The ban is a silly idea - but as a justification for leaving the EU, it's even sillier than your usual output.

    Btw, next to Sartre, you're a monk.
    https://twitter.com/curiouswavefn/status/1180601316550164481
    But he hasn’t even broadcast the interview yet, so how can he be accused of propagandising? We don’t know what’s in it

    Why doesn’t the EU take a fucking chill pill and see what actually happens
    As usual you will believe any bullshit far right or pro-Putin propaganda. Obviously it wasn't clear enough (at least not to a dimwit like you) so I'll put it in all caps for you

    THE EU IS NOT SEEKING A TRAVEL BAN ON CARLSON

    Of course, as a general point, the UK, for example, does ban people when it doesn't like what they say:

    Here's an example from last year of the UK banning the Austrian nationalist at the centre of the Potsdam meeting that got millions of Germans demonstrating against the far-right the last few weeks, an American 'youtube commentator and author', and a Canadian 'right-wing activist':

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1GO2LP/

    maybe Musk tweeted about that too
    Exclusive: Tucker Carlson could face sanctions over Putin interview

    https://newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-sanctions-eu-putin-interview-1867655?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1707308234


    Estonian Member of European Parliament
    @Urmaspaet
    Paet thinks that Tucker #Carlson interviewed a war criminal #Putin, expected in Hague and that does make him a journalist with any professional integrity, hence should have EU travel ban.

    https://x.com/jaanikamerilo/status/1755309465711018115?s=20

    "Tucker Carlson is surely on the path to being labelled a propagandist for the Russian regime.

    If he enables disinformation for Putin, the EU should explore a travel ban !"

    https://x.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1754517903167173061?s=20

    And so on, and so forth
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 46,805
    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Bad teeth is a small price to pay for blue passports and a government intend on demonising social difference.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,498
    Nigelb said:

    "The United States bought more goods from Mexico than China in 2023 for the first time in 20 years. The trade deficit with China narrowed significantly last year, with goods imports from the country dropping 20 percent to $427.2 billion”
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1755411177167798295

    Build. The. Wall.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,072
    Leon said:

    Much of urban Britain is now completely dystopian. That queue for the dentists in St Paul's

    https://x.com/uk8qnzl/status/1754997596521734573?s=20

    Our town's dentist is technically an NHS dentists, but apparently you need the luck of the devil to get on the NHS list there (they are very good dentists, if that helps).

    A new dentist has opened up in the town, in a very central location. And from what I see on their website, they don't take NHS patients.

    We're lucky in that we can afford to go private. But many people we know can not, and some don't have cars to take them to NHS dentists elsewhere.

    The system will have to change; I don't know in what way, though.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,591

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Great piece on the complex multilayered issues underlying the intercommunal troubles in Leicester 18 months ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/08/unrest-leicester-muslim-hindu-revealed-britain-modi-india-2022

    7,000 words, as near as damn it.
    Yep, proper journalism rather than twitter soundbites.
    That’s the problem, we all expect instant news, not calm reflection!

    And good morning everyone, although it’s not good here; raining hard! At least it’s not snowing.
    We have a weather alert for torrential rain, today and tonight. Roll on the weekend, when we might actually see some sunshine!
    February fill-dyke!
    February already full dyke
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