The same Hizb ut-Tahrir that was due to be proscribed by the Blair and Cameron governments who announced it but did not follow up.
Sounds like Starmers fault to me.
Funny you should say that, he represented them in court when they were proscribed in Germany
Starmer acted for extremist Islamist group in bid to overturn ban Labour leader applied to European Court of Human Rights to reverse Germany's prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
The same Hizb ut-Tahrir that was due to be proscribed by the Blair and Cameron governments who announced it but did not follow up.
Sounds like Starmers fault to me.
Funny you should say that, he represented them in court when they were proscribed in Germany
Starmer acted for extremist Islamist group in bid to overturn ban Labour leader applied to European Court of Human Rights to reverse Germany's prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
Also, lots of people like the latter Tory live in nice 1920s and 1930s and 1950s suburbs. Which are 15 minute cities and LTNs avant la lettre. Just have a look at Petts Wood, for instance.
There's a world of difference between having 20mph at schools and 20mph everywhere.
Oh yes, and how are the children supposed to get home without being run over? You admit schools need 20mph: that means 20mph everywhere in residential areas.
No it bloody well does not.
Kids go home plenty of ways. Via their parents picking them up, via buses, walking on footpaths etc
Outside schools however you get hundreds of pupils stepping out at the same time, whether they're walking home or walking to their parents car or bus stop or wherever, which inevitably results in pupils walking on the road rather than the footpath.
Within hundreds of metres from the school, the crowds have dispersed and people can and do walk on the footpath.
So you demand that children never go anywhere else, lest they dirty the tyres? I see.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
Also, lots of people like the latter Tory live in nice 1920s and 1930s and 1950s suburbs. Which are 15 minute cities and LTNs avant la lettre. Just have a look at Petts Wood, for instance.
Remember how unpopular ULEZ was? Everyone up in arms? Strident media and social media opposition?
And the same with 20mph zones in Wales. Social media is perfectly capable of having angry locals rant and then organise on local Facebook. So when you see these x against 20mph run from SUNDERLAND, we can see what is going on here.
People in Wales elected a government and councils who set sped limits. Tory councillors a long long way away want to boast about doing the same thing - setting 20mph speed limits as they see fit for safety - whilst berating Labour hundreds of miles away for doing the same.
Its culture wars. Done appallingly badly. By rank amateur hypocrites.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
A number of people have said that 20mph is perfectly reasonable outside schools, but as a blanket policy is awful.
Here we have someone saying a blanket policy of 20mph is bad, but outside schools it is reasonable.
Yeah, you are stupid if you think that's contradictory or can't comprehend the point being made. But I know you're not stupid, so you're being deliberately pig-headed instead.
I'm a bit surprised, John, that in so valiantly defending Ed Davey over the Post Office, you don't tell your almost 300,000 followers that you're currently trying to become a Lib Dem MP. How did the hustings for the Hamble Valley seat go last Wednesday? Quite well, I hear.
Crick has been pushing on Davey extremely hard, to the extent that one wonders about Crick’s actual motives. He actually suggested that Davey was unfit to be a minister which is absurd hyperbole.
Is he still, per Wikipedia, a member of the Labour Party?
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
I'm a bit surprised, John, that in so valiantly defending Ed Davey over the Post Office, you don't tell your almost 300,000 followers that you're currently trying to become a Lib Dem MP. How did the hustings for the Hamble Valley seat go last Wednesday? Quite well, I hear.
Crick has been pushing on Davey extremely hard, to the extent that one wonders about Crick’s actual motives. He actually suggested that Davey was unfit to be a minister which is absurd hyperbole.
Is he still, per Wikipedia, a member of the Labour Party?
I'm fairly sure you have to be a member of the Liberal Democrats to be the party leader, but it would add an interesting twist to coalition negotiations if he was a Labour member.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
There's a world of difference between having 20mph at schools and 20mph everywhere.
Oh yes, and how are the children supposed to get home without being run over? You admit schools need 20mph: that means 20mph everywhere in residential areas.
No it bloody well does not.
Kids go home plenty of ways. Via their parents picking them up, via buses, walking on footpaths etc
Outside schools however you get hundreds of pupils stepping out at the same time, whether they're walking home or walking to their parents car or bus stop or wherever, which inevitably results in pupils walking on the road rather than the footpath.
Within hundreds of metres from the school, the crowds have dispersed and people can and do walk on the footpath.
So you demand that children never go anywhere else, lest they dirty the tyres? I see.
No, they can go wherever they want.
But only outside schools do you get crowds of hundreds of children spilling out into the streets as they don't all fit on the footpath.
I see it every single day at my kids school. The secondary school next door breaks up before my daughter's primary school does and majority of the pupils seem to make their own way home. They spill out onto the street outside the school (which has been, rightly, designated 20mph) and disperse in a multitude of directions. The crowd only exists outside the school though.
When I am away about 0.25 mile drive to or from my daughter's school to pick/drop off the girls - and away again, I can see plenty of secondary school students out and about, on the pavement, waiting at bus stops etc - but none on the road. However directly outside the school, there's crowds of kids and many walking on the road itself, which quite rightly is lowered speed limit as a result.
It makes perfect sense to drop the speed limit at the school itself, where there's crowds of kids spilling onto the road - it makes no sense to do so elsewhere, where its not the case. Individual or small groups of kids can easily fit on the pavement.
By the time the 20 turns back into 30 away from the school, there's absolutely no issue of crowds of kids making things dangerous for either them or anyone else. Its only at the school itself there's a greater risk.
The same Hizb ut-Tahrir that was due to be proscribed by the Blair and Cameron governments who announced it but did not follow up.
Sounds like Starmers fault to me.
Funny you should say that, he represented them in court when they were proscribed in Germany
Starmer acted for extremist Islamist group in bid to overturn ban Labour leader applied to European Court of Human Rights to reverse Germany's prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir
I guess you ony want representation for people you like/agree with?
I bet you would have argued against representation for the subpostmasters, the Birmingham Six, and Stefan Kizko.
His cab was always conveniently ready to give Islamist groups a lift
Is there a Halal cab queue?
Almost like a top human rights lawyer gets hired in human rights cases.
But are all these 'halal' sic?
Neat how your list concludes by bringing us back to Hizb ut-Tahrir
I appreciate HuT are Islamist, and may well be anti-semitic, but have they ever been involved in terrorism?
Encouraging jihad is their big thing
They may not have blown themselves up, but they must share responsibility for many hundreds of terrorist attacks around the globe
What do you think the limits to free speech should be? And which have they broken?
We're seeing some really odd behaviour from PB lefties on here today. Strong support for Houtis blowing up ships in the Red Sea, and now support for groups that encourage Jihad.
I guess Corbynism isn't dead...
I am not supporting anyone, just asking a straightforward question on the limits of free speech and in what way has this group violated them.
What are your definitions?
"Previously Hizb ut-Tahrir, which Tony Blair and David Cameron tried to ban when they were in Downing Street, has made calls to “wipe out that Zionist entity” and referred to “the monstrous Jews”." (2)
"In October, the group’s members attended a rally outside the Egyptian and Turkish embassies in London and called for “Muslim armies” to attack Israel." (2)
I might suggest that HuT are a hideously nasty group that stand against everything you, as a 'lefty', should stand for. But apparently not.
"Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT; Arabic: حزب التحرير, romanized: Ḥizb at-Taḥrīr, lit. 'Party of Liberation') is an international pan-Islamist and Islamic fundamentalist political organization whose stated aim is the re-establishment of the Islamic caliphate to unite the Muslim community (called ummah)[3] and implement sharia globally" (1)
I am not a supporter of them, obviously! Indeed I oppose pretty much all of their policies.
But I dislike the government deciding what are acceptable beliefs. I don't think we should outlaw people who call for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza (as a number of posters have here) either.
Has anyone on here called for 'ethnic cleansing of Gaza'? (Aside from those who propose a one-state solution...)
How about the people who call support for Hamas, who, by definition, want to remove all Jews from Israel?
But it's not just HuT's beliefs that are an issue, it's their words. as I showed above.
"Floodland is a Belgium-Netherlands co-production set in modern day Flanders-Zeeland, the borderland region between the two countries either side of the Scheldt river. It’s a blackly comic police drama that draws heavily on the clash of cultures between city, cosmopolitan liberal values and an out-of-touch rural community".
I'm not sure I see a lot of 'comic' in it - but it's well written, acted and photographed.
"Floodland is a Belgium-Netherlands co-production set in modern day Flanders-Zeeland, the borderland region between the two countries either side of the Scheldt river. It’s a blackly comic police drama that draws heavily on the clash of cultures between city, cosmopolitan liberal values and an out-of-touch rural community".
I'm not sure I see a lot of 'comic' in it - but it's well written, acted and photographed.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
I'm a bit surprised, John, that in so valiantly defending Ed Davey over the Post Office, you don't tell your almost 300,000 followers that you're currently trying to become a Lib Dem MP. How did the hustings for the Hamble Valley seat go last Wednesday? Quite well, I hear.
Crick has been pushing on Davey extremely hard, to the extent that one wonders about Crick’s actual motives. He actually suggested that Davey was unfit to be a minister which is absurd hyperbole.
Is he still, per Wikipedia, a member of the Labour Party?
I'm fairly sure you have to be a member of the Liberal Democrats to be the party leader, but it would add an interesting twist to coalition negotiations if he was a Labour member.
Oh I don't know we managed to infiltrate Liz Truss into the Conservatives and she became Conservative party leader. All seems fair game to me. I doubt politics could get even more confusing even if all the party leaders belonged to a different party to the one they actually led.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
The same Hizb ut-Tahrir that was due to be proscribed by the Blair and Cameron governments who announced it but did not follow up.
Sounds like Starmers fault to me.
Funny you should say that, he represented them in court when they were proscribed in Germany
Starmer acted for extremist Islamist group in bid to overturn ban Labour leader applied to European Court of Human Rights to reverse Germany's prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
It is the case that in Wales the blanket policy has caused anger when it could have been introduced in a more consensual manner
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
I would just add the Police have confirmed there will be no convictions at less than 26mph so it is noticeable that 20mph is rarely being adhered to and where it is unfortunate tailgating and dangerous overtaking is happening as I have witnessed
Mind you I have not driven since the 27th December due to my health reasons and will only regain my licence once I have had my pacemaker fitted on the 6th February
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
Yes, but you're being rational.
*Edinburghcityofenlightenment*
Of course, pedestrians could always try walking on the pavements, where they may find they go unmolested by cars proceeding at blistering speeds like 30mph.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
Hence why I was saying to make them safer, build by-passes...
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
Yes, but you're being rational.
*Edinburghcityofenlightenment*
Of course, pedestrians could always try walking on the pavements, where they may find they go unmolested by cars proceeding at blistering speeds like 30mph.
Sadly, between 2005 and 2018, 548 pedestrians were killed by drivers mounting pavements. Perhaps 20mph limits would've saved some of those lives?
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
Yes, but you're being rational.
*Edinburghcityofenlightenment*
Of course, pedestrians could always try walking on the pavements, where they may find they go unmolested by cars proceeding at blistering speeds like 30mph.
Sadly, between 2005 and 2018, 548 pedestrians were killed by drivers mounting pavements. Perhaps 20mph limits would've saved some of those lives?
How many of the drivers in question were both (a) sober and (b) observing the 30mph speed limit?
I wonder how Manchester police were so Islamophobiaphobic that they managed to miss thousands of paedophile gang rapes by people from Pakistan and Afghanistan that were reported to them
They probably got told that there had been more paedo rapes by whites than any other group
I wonder how Manchester police were so Islamophobiaphobic that they managed to miss thousands of paedophile gang rapes by people from Pakistan and Afghanistan that were reported to them
They probably got told that there had been more paedo rapes by whites than any other group
To be fair, they missed them at the Catholic Church, Islington Borough Council* and OFSTED too.
I'm afraid the grim truth is as a country we're rather shit at enforcing laws against child sex abuse.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
It is the case that in Wales the blanket policy has caused anger when it could have been introduced in a more consensual manner
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
I would just add the Police have confirmed there will be no convictions at less than 26mph so it is noticeable that 20mph is rarely being adhered to and where it is unfortunate tailgating and dangerous overtaking is happening as I have witnessed
Mind you I have not driven since the 27th December due to my health reasons and will only regain my licence once I have had my pacemaker fitted on the 6th February
It's caused anger in Facebook groups run by English Tories.
Given the tailgating and dangerous overtakes you've observed, you should get in touch with the police and ask them to enforce driving regulations more often in your area.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
NBC - Prominent Republicans make sure to endorse Trump before Iowans caucus
Within the last few days, a number of prominent Republican officials came off the sideline to make sure they got their Trump endorsements in before Iowa voters caucus today.
Since Jan. 5, nine House Republicans, two governors and five senators announced they are backing Trump, according to an NBC News tracker. Among them, Republican Sens. Marco Rubio, Jim Risch, Mike Lee, Cynthia Lummis and John Barrasso.
The endorsements came after The New York Times reported earlier this month that Trump allies told lawmakers he would be paying close attention to see who has and has not endorsed him ahead of today's caucuses.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
It is the case that in Wales the blanket policy has caused anger when it could have been introduced in a more consensual manner
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
I would just add the Police have confirmed there will be no convictions at less than 26mph so it is noticeable that 20mph is rarely being adhered to and where it is unfortunate tailgating and dangerous overtaking is happening as I have witnessed
Mind you I have not driven since the 27th December due to my health reasons and will only regain my licence once I have had my pacemaker fitted on the 6th February
It's caused anger in Facebook groups run by English Tories.
Given the tailgating and dangerous overtakes you've observed, you should get in touch with the police and ask them to enforce driving regulations more often in your area.
No idea about English Facebook pages, and the police have publicallly said they will not enforce the 20mph restrictions at speeds of 26mph or less
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
It is the case that in Wales the blanket policy has caused anger when it could have been introduced in a more consensual manner
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
It has been implemented well by some local authorities and dreadfully by others. The Vale of Glamorgan, where I live had done very well. Almost all others not so much.
The notion held by people like Nick Ferrari that all roads except motorways in Wales operate a 20mph speed limit, is by the way incorrect.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
100%. I am so used to driving at 20mph that 30mph seems ludicrously fast in a residential area. I was driving outside London the other day and got beeped for driving at 22mph!
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
The same Hizb ut-Tahrir that was due to be proscribed by the Blair and Cameron governments who announced it but did not follow up.
Sounds like Starmers fault to me.
Funny you should say that, he represented them in court when they were proscribed in Germany
Starmer acted for extremist Islamist group in bid to overturn ban Labour leader applied to European Court of Human Rights to reverse Germany's prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir
I guess you ony want representation for people you like/agree with?
I bet you would have argued against representation for the subpostmasters, the Birmingham Six, and Stefan Kizko.
His cab was always conveniently ready to give Islamist groups a lift
Is there a Halal cab queue?
Almost like a top human rights lawyer gets hired in human rights cases.
But are all these 'halal' sic?
Neat how your list concludes by bringing us back to Hizb ut-Tahrir
I appreciate HuT are Islamist, and may well be anti-semitic, but have they ever been involved in terrorism?
Encouraging jihad is their big thing
They may not have blown themselves up, but they must share responsibility for many hundreds of terrorist attacks around the globe
What do you think the limits to free speech should be? And which have they broken?
We're seeing some really odd behaviour from PB lefties on here today. Strong support for Houtis blowing up ships in the Red Sea, and now support for groups that encourage Jihad.
I guess Corbynism isn't dead...
Corbynism isn't dead, even in 2019 32% of UK voters voted for him and in their guts most lefties would prefer PM Corbyn to PM Starmer.
Just after Corbyn's heavy defeat in 2019 they realised they had to compromise with the electorate and elect a boring, competent centrist like Starmer as Labour leader
Corbynism in its most virulent form likely is. For a time Corbyn gained the support of the generally left-wing and not just the far left. That had arguably already unwound by 2019 - when Brexit and the choice with Johnson kept more onside than otherwise might have been the case. While Labour MPs won't make their 2015 mistake and let someone they think is crackers on the ballot.
I'd note even in the Young Labour elections (a small sample size) - which used to be a Corbynite walkover, the centrists are winning.
There will always be a left though, just an impotent shouty bit that wants to go on marches, and one inside Labour that realises that if it wants left-wing policies in Britain, it needs to find leaders without the deeply flawed worldview that so often led him to look like he wanted to side with those who wanted to do us harm.
I doubt there are many who share Jeremy Corbyn's fascination with Central American politics.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
It is the case that in Wales the blanket policy has caused anger when it could have been introduced in a more consensual manner
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
It has been implemented well by some local authorities and dreadfully by others. The Vale of Glamorgan, where I live had done very well. Almost all others not so much.
The notion held by people like Nick Ferrari that all roads except motorways in Wales operate a 20mph speed limit, is by the way incorrect.
Re your last paragraph that is a just wrong by Ferrari
The correct answer is that all previous 30mph zones in Wales are now 20mph zones and the reference to blanket policy only relates to all 30mph zones
I am sure we can both agree the review is to take place across Wales with changes taking place over the coming months
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
Drive on the roads that are there.
How wrong of them.
... at high speed ...
Whether you think it is too fast for conditions or not, 30mph is not 'high speed.'
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
It is the case that in Wales the blanket policy has caused anger when it could have been introduced in a more consensual manner
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
It has been implemented well by some local authorities and dreadfully by others. The Vale of Glamorgan, where I live had done very well. Almost all others not so much.
The notion held by people like Nick Ferrari that all roads except motorways in Wales operate a 20mph speed limit, is by the way incorrect.
Re your last paragraph that is a just wrong by Ferrari
The correct answer is that all previous 30mph zones in Wales are now 20mph zones and the reference to blanket policy only relates to all 30mph zones
I am sure we can both agree the review is to take place across Wales with changes taking place over the coming months
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
Drive on the roads that are there.
How wrong of them.
... at high speed ...
Whether you think it is too fast for conditions or not, 30mph is not 'high speed.'
By your definition. It feels stupid driving that quickly in a residential area once you get used to 20mph (which you do, very quickly).
I wonder how Manchester police were so Islamophobiaphobic that they managed to miss thousands of paedophile gang rapes by people from Pakistan and Afghanistan that were reported to them
They probably got told that there had been more paedo rapes by whites than any other group
To be fair, they missed them at the Catholic Church, Islington Borough Council* and OFSTED too.
I'm afraid the grim truth is as a country we're rather shit at enforcing laws against child sex abuse.
*The Met rather than GMP.
For some reason, this conversation reminds me of a factoid I was told on stats course, long, long ago,
Between 1865 and 1965, so the story went, no white man was convicted of murdering a black man, in Mississippi. A number of black men were convicted of murdering white men.
What does this tells us about Mississippi in that 100 year period?
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
Hence why I was saying to make them safer, build by-passes...
Provincial France is interesting as a comparator.
Virtually no bypasses- they really don’t do them in the way we do in Britain, so traffic often goes through the centre of town.
The national speed limit is 80kph (used to be 90 but reduced a few years ago to encourage fuel economy). That’s about 50mph. In built up areas the default is 50kph, around 31mph. In villages and town centres it’s 30kph, or about 18mph, and there are usually one or two speed bumps in villages and towns.
Drivers seem to know and understand the rules. They are less random than in Britain. It’s notable that they often speed on country roads, and there are often crashes, but almost always adhere to limits in settlements. The trouble is you still get people crossing the road at the edge of villages where the speed limit is rising or falling. And France is more rural.
France has around 7 pedestrian fatalities per million population per year. The lowest in the EU is Sweden at 2.6. Highest Romania at 37.5! The UK is at 5.3 per million.
I assume the differences are partly to do with lifestyle. Ie in Sweden it’s cold and dark half the year, settlements are widely spread, so few people walk. Whereas in Romania there’s dense rural population and a warm climate so people are always walking around.
Interesting stats here. 15 pedestrians killed by cyclists in 2021.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
Drive on the roads that are there.
How wrong of them.
... at high speed ...
Whether you think it is too fast for conditions or not, 30mph is not 'high speed.'
For the vast majority of human existence it was; and if you get hit by something travelling at 30mph it is.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
Drive on the roads that are there.
How wrong of them.
... at high speed ...
Whether you think it is too fast for conditions or not, 30mph is not 'high speed.'
By your definition. It feels stupid driving that quickly in a residential area once you get used to 20mph (which you do, very quickly).
By no reasonable definition is 30mph 'high speed.' It may be considered moderate speed. I can do more than that on a bog standard pushbike FFS.
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
Hence why I was saying to make them safer, build by-passes...
Provincial France is interesting as a comparator.
Virtually no bypasses- they really don’t do them in the way we do in Britain, so traffic often goes through the centre of town.
The national speed limit is 80kph (used to be 90 but reduced a few years ago to encourage fuel economy). That’s about 50mph. In built up areas the default is 50kph, around 31mph. In villages and town centres it’s 30kph, or about 18mph, and there are usually one or two speed bumps in villages and towns.
Drivers seem to know and understand the rules. They are less random than in Britain. It’s notable that they often speed on country roads, and there are often crashes, but almost always adhere to limits in settlements. The trouble is you still get people crossing the road at the edge of villages where the speed limit is rising or falling. And France is more rural.
France has around 7 pedestrian fatalities per million population per year. The lowest in the EU is Sweden at 2.6. Highest Romania at 37.5! The UK is at 5.3 per million.
I assume the differences are partly to do with lifestyle. Ie in Sweden it’s cold and dark half the year, settlements are widely spread, so few people walk. Whereas in Romania there’s dense rural population and a warm climate so people are always walking around.
Interesting stats here. 15 pedestrians killed by cyclists in 2021.
I wonder how Manchester police were so Islamophobiaphobic that they managed to miss thousands of paedophile gang rapes by people from Pakistan and Afghanistan that were reported to them
They probably got told that there had been more paedo rapes by whites than any other group
To be fair, they missed them at the Catholic Church, Islington Borough Council* and OFSTED too.
I'm afraid the grim truth is as a country we're rather shit at enforcing laws against child sex abuse.
*The Met rather than GMP.
For some reason, this conversation reminds me of a factoid I was told on stats course, long, long ago,
Between 1865 and 1965, so the story went, no white man was convicted of murdering a black man, in Mississippi. A number of black men were convicted of murdering white men.
What does this tells us about Mississippi in that 100 year period?
Also at least one case, before 1860, of free Black man killing another free Black man ("the Barber of Natchez); killer was NOT prosecuted or convicted, because only witnesses were also Black; thus their testimony was ipso facto inadmissible.
Dirty tricks on social media? Who'd have thunk it?
So when we keep being reassured that 20mph is Drakeford Labour's terrible policy which has got lot of people angry, we know that the angry people organiser is a Sunderland Tory in favour of 20mph limits.
They think people are stupid.
You are better than that silly remark
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
The problem is that child road casualties occur pretty much uniformly across neighbourhoods, including on main roads. Check out the various STATS19 data based maps.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
Yes, but you're being rational.
*Edinburghcityofenlightenment*
Of course, pedestrians could always try walking on the pavements, where they may find they go unmolested by cars proceeding at blistering speeds like 30mph.
Sadly, between 2005 and 2018, 548 pedestrians were killed by drivers mounting pavements. Perhaps 20mph limits would've saved some of those lives?
How many of the drivers in question were both (a) sober and (b) observing the 30mph speed limit?
The same Hizb ut-Tahrir that was due to be proscribed by the Blair and Cameron governments who announced it but did not follow up.
Sounds like Starmers fault to me.
Funny you should say that, he represented them in court when they were proscribed in Germany
Starmer acted for extremist Islamist group in bid to overturn ban Labour leader applied to European Court of Human Rights to reverse Germany's prohibition of Hizb ut-Tahrir
I guess you ony want representation for people you like/agree with?
I bet you would have argued against representation for the subpostmasters, the Birmingham Six, and Stefan Kizko.
His cab was always conveniently ready to give Islamist groups a lift
Is there a Halal cab queue?
Almost like a top human rights lawyer gets hired in human rights cases.
But are all these 'halal' sic?
Neat how your list concludes by bringing us back to Hizb ut-Tahrir
I appreciate HuT are Islamist, and may well be anti-semitic, but have they ever been involved in terrorism?
Encouraging jihad is their big thing
They may not have blown themselves up, but they must share responsibility for many hundreds of terrorist attacks around the globe
What do you think the limits to free speech should be? And which have they broken?
We're seeing some really odd behaviour from PB lefties on here today. Strong support for Houtis blowing up ships in the Red Sea, and now support for groups that encourage Jihad.
I guess Corbynism isn't dead...
Corbynism isn't dead, even in 2019 32% of UK voters voted for him and in their guts most lefties would prefer PM Corbyn to PM Starmer.
Just after Corbyn's heavy defeat in 2019 they realised they had to compromise with the electorate and elect a boring, competent centrist like Starmer as Labour leader
Corbynism in its most virulent form likely is. For a time Corbyn gained the support of the generally left-wing and not just the far left. That had arguably already unwound by 2019 - when Brexit and the choice with Johnson kept more onside than otherwise might have been the case. While Labour MPs won't make their 2015 mistake and let someone they think is crackers on the ballot.
I'd note even in the Young Labour elections (a small sample size) - which used to be a Corbynite walkover, the centrists are winning.
There will always be a left though, just an impotent shouty bit that wants to go on marches, and one inside Labour that realises that if it wants left-wing policies in Britain, it needs to find leaders without the deeply flawed worldview that so often led him to look like he wanted to side with those who wanted to do us harm.
I doubt there are many who share Jeremy Corbyn's fascination with Central American politics.
The interesting aspect of "left" politics currently is you have the socialist and internationalist strain that is represented by Corbyn but we are seeing in Germany the emergence of a different kind of socialist politics - nationalist, anti-immigrant and culturally conservative emphasising the need to raise taxes and provide services support first and foremost for indigenous people. That "could" be an attractive option and there's a clear niche for it if Reform heads down an economically Thatcherite route (likely with Farage in charge).
You very quickly get used to universal 20mph. We’ve had it around me in London for a while now. Such that driving at 30mph in a residential area feels stupidly fast. Moreover, there are fewer snarl ups, because drivers have longer to make decisions about when to let oncoming traffic through a line of parked cars.
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
Again, it's not pure residential neighbourhoods in London or Cardiff or even Rhyl that are the potential issue. It's through routes where both a higher speed would be sensible and signposting (or lack thereof) is causing issues.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
Except that the majority of road casualties occur on the "main road", particularly if it passes through a built up area as a High Street.
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
The Welsh don't deserve that treatment, it would seem from the discussion on PB.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
The problem is that it's not lorry drivers using cut-offs to get to the motorways. Those roads through the towns and villages are often the nearest thing to motorways Wales has.
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
But meanwhile, the drivers deem it their divine right to ...
Drive on the roads that are there.
How wrong of them.
... at high speed ...
Whether you think it is too fast for conditions or not, 30mph is not 'high speed.'
By your definition. It feels stupid driving that quickly in a residential area once you get used to 20mph (which you do, very quickly).
By no reasonable definition is 30mph 'high speed.' It may be considered moderate speed. I can do more than that on a bog standard pushbike FFS.
The local delivroo* electric bike riders do more than 20mph.
We have proof of this, since on one road, we have one of those electronic signs that show your speed. They regularly clock over 30. Many have bikes that are, essentially electric motorbikes.
They have made the dedicated lanes for cycling unusable by cyclists, and often scream abuse at anyone impeding their progress. Including children... One child (riding back from school), got slammed off his bike, almost in front of me, the other day.
Nothing is being done - given their velocity, their charging through traffic lights and a substantial local elderly community, it is only a matter of time until something truly nasty happens.
The resemblance, in manner and behaviour to the kind of Americans who "roll coal" and actively attack cyclists is striking. I suppose it just goes to show that it is the human being and not the tool which is the moral agent.
*deliveroo in the sense of hoover for vacuum cleaner.
I wonder how Manchester police were so Islamophobiaphobic that they managed to miss thousands of paedophile gang rapes by people from Pakistan and Afghanistan that were reported to them
They probably got told that there had been more paedo rapes by whites than any other group
No one is condoning the behaviour of councils and police forces in turning a blind eye to rapists and paedophiles. If those rapists and paedophiles were not prosecuted because they happened to belong to a particular faith group that is an outrageous miscarriage of justice.
Those who try to conflate Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford based taxi driver rapists and paedophiles with law abiding Muslims going about their day to day lives are reprehensible bigots.
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They think people are stupid.
So they've got sixty minutes to get a sword, escape from jail and defeat the evil vizier Jaffar and rescue a princess?
It is a doctrine that insists that I must die for refusing to subjugate to it
What are you rationally afraid of?
I’d have thought this was basically liberalism 101.
It makes you wonder why Blanche was indeed so willing to fight for Ukraine. What did he think he was fighting for?
And the same with 20mph zones in Wales. Social media is perfectly capable of having angry locals rant and then organise on local Facebook. So when you see these x against 20mph run from SUNDERLAND, we can see what is going on here.
People in Wales elected a government and councils who set sped limits. Tory councillors a long long way away want to boast about doing the same thing - setting 20mph speed limits as they see fit for safety - whilst berating Labour hundreds of miles away for doing the same.
Its culture wars. Done appallingly badly. By rank amateur hypocrites.
Here we have someone saying a blanket policy of 20mph is bad, but outside schools it is reasonable.
Yeah, you are stupid if you think that's contradictory or can't comprehend the point being made. But I know you're not stupid, so you're being deliberately pig-headed instead.
I suppose it could go to the level of British Gas.
Is he still, per Wikipedia, a member of the Labour Party?
I laughed out loud to read that he might be considered an effective administrator. He really isn’t.
Leon is another big culprit. I think Leon believes he is some kind of cognitive elite who will surely hold the whip-hand under any fascist regime.
History is littered with the corpses of such dupes.
Indeed I have supported the 20mph policy but not its implementation which even Drakeford's successors have promised to review
I live in Wales and experience not only the practical issues but the widespread anger in every day conversations, which you do not living in the NE of E Scotland
I could post multiple links to conversations not only with politicians, but the police, the bus companies, the taxi companies, and many more who accept the blanket change from 30mph to 20mph was just wrong
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1746974064592249152/photo/1
I was a sceptic. But, like most people, I got used to it and now wouldn’t go back.
But only outside schools do you get crowds of hundreds of children spilling out into the streets as they don't all fit on the footpath.
I see it every single day at my kids school. The secondary school next door breaks up before my daughter's primary school does and majority of the pupils seem to make their own way home. They spill out onto the street outside the school (which has been, rightly, designated 20mph) and disperse in a multitude of directions. The crowd only exists outside the school though.
When I am away about 0.25 mile drive to or from my daughter's school to pick/drop off the girls - and away again, I can see plenty of secondary school students out and about, on the pavement, waiting at bus stops etc - but none on the road. However directly outside the school, there's crowds of kids and many walking on the road itself, which quite rightly is lowered speed limit as a result.
It makes perfect sense to drop the speed limit at the school itself, where there's crowds of kids spilling onto the road - it makes no sense to do so elsewhere, where its not the case. Individual or small groups of kids can easily fit on the pavement.
By the time the 20 turns back into 30 away from the school, there's absolutely no issue of crowds of kids making things dangerous for either them or anyone else. Its only at the school itself there's a greater risk.
Merely a call to limit incomers to the (unhindered) volume of outgoers.
Reform are a pack of thick and nasty shits, though.
Astonishing to read that several posters seem to support them.
How about the people who call support for Hamas, who, by definition, want to remove all Jews from Israel?
But it's not just HuT's beliefs that are an issue, it's their words. as I showed above.
https://crimefictionlover.com/2021/05/floodland-brings-flemish-crime-fiction-to-our-screens/
"Floodland is a Belgium-Netherlands co-production set in modern day Flanders-Zeeland, the borderland region between the two countries either side of the Scheldt river. It’s a blackly comic police drama that draws heavily on the clash of cultures between city, cosmopolitan liberal values and an out-of-touch rural community".
I'm not sure I see a lot of 'comic' in it - but it's well written, acted and photographed.
Adult casualties occur primarily at junctions (which is another argument for LTNs, but that's another debate).
There are other benefits for uniform limits - much cheaper to implement, less confusing for drivers, the introduction of a "new normal" that is easier to adhere to. I instinctively drive around my hometown at 20mph out of a habit developed in Edinburgh.
Some councils have taken action to mitigate this - e.g. Gwynedd - some have not.
Really, if Drakeford had been serious about cutting road deaths building more by passes would have been the way to go. The ones for Caernarfon and Drenewydd are genuinely transformative for those towns. New ones for Aberystwyth, or Aberaeron, or Lampeter, or a new motorway past Newport, would have had an even greater impact. As would a proper road bridge across the Menai.
But - where he did build new roads, he tended to bugger about with them anyway (Heads of the Valleys, dualled at vast expense but actually slower than the old single track road, anyone?) and he didn't build nearly enough of them. So Wales is stuck with bad infrastructure that isn't safe or effective.
And I might add - I'd have a lot more sympathy for his 'safer roads' crusade if he did something about the illegal bikers plaguing Wales and riding at ridiculous speeds with no comeback at all, rather than writing mealy-mouthed bullshit in support of them when they kill themselves riding like utter twats.
and islamists
Islamism is utterly incompatible with any other belief system
We need to remove it where we can
Jihadis should fuck a long way off from here
*Edinburghcityofenlightenment*
Notwithstanding from the likely successors to Drakeford, Plaid, Local Authorities and others a review is to take place and changes will happen hopefully to address the issues
I would just add the Police have confirmed there will be no convictions at less than 26mph so it is noticeable that 20mph is rarely being adhered to and where it is unfortunate tailgating and dangerous overtaking is happening as I have witnessed
Mind you I have not driven since the 27th December due to my health reasons and will only regain my licence once I have had my pacemaker fitted on the 6th February
Indeed, the 20mph limits introduced by the Tories in the Scottish Borders directly targeted HGVs and other vehicles making their way to the M74 via A roads that pass through these settlements.
Blanche isn't like that and it's a bit silly everyone's gunning for him and throwing accusations of fascism around.
If there's any of that it comes from the Islamists, not him.
It was a really difficult email to compose as I had to avoid all the words that would describe them aptly but might trigger their spam filter.
FIRE DURING TAKEOFF on Jetblue A321 at Kennedy Airport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy1OO9eh8v0
They probably got told that there had been more paedo rapes by whites than any other group
Will anyone at the Library be held accountable for what appears to have been shoddy IT security?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/jan/15/british-library-cyber-attack-staff-users-analysis
I'm afraid the grim truth is as a country we're rather shit at enforcing laws against child sex abuse.
*The Met rather than GMP.
Given the tailgating and dangerous overtakes you've observed, you should get in touch with the police and ask them to enforce driving regulations more often in your area.
Butd perhaps they don't count when it comes to bleeding-heart Tories in Sunderland and (presumably) St Boswells?
Within the last few days, a number of prominent Republican officials came off the sideline to make sure they got their Trump endorsements in before Iowa voters caucus today.
Since Jan. 5, nine House Republicans, two governors and five senators announced they are backing Trump, according to an NBC News tracker. Among them, Republican Sens. Marco Rubio, Jim Risch, Mike Lee, Cynthia Lummis and John Barrasso.
The endorsements came after The New York Times reported earlier this month that Trump allies told lawmakers he would be paying close attention to see who has and has not endorsed him ahead of today's caucuses.
Is Euston in it as well? If so, can we blame him for the collapse of HS2 and the dismantling of the Euston Arch?
The notion held by people like Nick Ferrari that all roads except motorways in Wales operate a 20mph speed limit, is by the way incorrect.
London the other day and got beeped for driving at 22mph!
You want to eliminate that? Improve the roads.
Sounds like they should fuck only people from foreign countries...
(This was not intended entirely seriously, btw, but your phrasing was unfortunate.)
How wrong of them.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/15/sunak-faces-tory-meltdown-as-deputy-chairs-back-rwanda-bill-rebellion
The correct answer is that all previous 30mph zones in Wales are now 20mph zones and the reference to blanket policy only relates to all 30mph zones
I am sure we can both agree the review is to take place across Wales with changes taking place over the coming months
Charles Leclerc isn't surprised...
Between 1865 and 1965, so the story went, no white man was convicted of murdering a black man, in Mississippi. A number of black men were convicted of murdering white men.
What does this tells us about Mississippi in that 100 year period?
Virtually no bypasses- they really don’t do them in the way we do in Britain, so traffic often goes through the centre of town.
The national speed limit is 80kph (used to be 90 but reduced a few years ago to encourage fuel economy). That’s about 50mph. In built up areas the default is 50kph, around 31mph. In villages and town centres it’s 30kph, or about 18mph, and there are usually one or two speed bumps in villages and towns.
Drivers seem to know and understand the rules. They are less random than in Britain. It’s notable that they often speed on country roads, and there are often crashes, but almost always adhere to limits in settlements. The trouble is you still get people crossing the road at the edge of villages where the speed limit is rising or falling. And France is more rural.
France has around 7 pedestrian fatalities per million population per year. The lowest in the EU is Sweden at 2.6. Highest Romania at 37.5! The UK is at 5.3 per million.
I assume the differences are partly to do with lifestyle. Ie in Sweden it’s cold and dark half the year, settlements are widely spread, so few people walk. Whereas in Romania there’s dense rural population and a warm climate so people are always walking around.
Interesting stats here. 15 pedestrians killed by cyclists in 2021.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-pedestrian-factsheet-2021/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-pedestrian-factsheet-2021
First manned landing on Uranus?
They've already done enough of that.
Not that you'd know it from some of the fanatics on this website who take a zero covid/zero accidents zealot like mentality.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1747000867192963429
We have proof of this, since on one road, we have one of those electronic signs that show your speed. They regularly clock over 30. Many have bikes that are, essentially electric motorbikes.
They have made the dedicated lanes for cycling unusable by cyclists, and often scream abuse at anyone impeding their progress. Including children... One child (riding back from school), got slammed off his bike, almost in front of me, the other day.
Nothing is being done - given their velocity, their charging through traffic lights and a substantial local elderly community, it is only a matter of time until something truly nasty happens.
The resemblance, in manner and behaviour to the kind of Americans who "roll coal" and actively attack cyclists is striking. I suppose it just goes to show that it is the human being and not the tool which is the moral agent.
*deliveroo in the sense of hoover for vacuum cleaner.
I therefore diagnose this otherwise bizarre comment as a byproduct of pure jealousy
Those who try to conflate Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford based taxi driver rapists and paedophiles with law abiding Muslims going about their day to day lives are reprehensible bigots.
Christianity isn't much better.