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Can Nigel Farage make it eight in a row? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,214
edited January 22 in General
imageCan Nigel Farage make it eight in a row? – politicalbetting.com

?Exclusive: A new poll commissioned by Arron Banks suggests that Farage would win were he to stand in Douglas Carswell's old seat of ClactonFarage told me: "This poll does make me consider getting back on the pitch far more seriously than ever before”https://t.co/zq1q0eWgnr

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,961
    First?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    edited January 14
    I don't know who Nigel Faragae is but are they less of a prick than Farage?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    I think he will bottle it and not stand. Banks is trying to get him involved in Reform UK because it would massively boost their profile but Farage is playing hard to get. I still think adding half of Reform's polling to the Tories gives you a better idea of where the parties are.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,114
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    Thank you and Aukun

    I HAVE FOUND THE HOTEL

    It still exists, It is now called “Medinet Habu Eco Lodge”

    https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294205-d23791362-Reviews-Habu_Hotel_Ecolodge-Luxor_Nile_River_Valley.html
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,963
    DavidL said:

    I think he will bottle it and not stand. Banks is trying to get him involved in Reform UK because it would massively boost their profile but Farage is playing hard to get. I still think adding half of Reform's polling to the Tories gives you a better idea of where the parties are.

    There is a pivot. If Farage becomes leader then the Tories are absolutely sunk. If Farage doesn't become leader then yes I can see some of their vote share going back to the Tories.

    Remember though, there is a difference between the Nigel being leader and him running for a seat. He is perfectly likely to become leader, work to smash your lot into oblivion and not seek election himself...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,961
    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Did you miss Liverpool having a goal ruled out because Mohamed Salah was pushed into an offside position?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,114
    AverageNinja said:

    I don't know who Nigel Faragae is but are they less of a prick than Farage?

    The ending would indicate a plural.

    So a Faragae is multiple Farages

    Which sounds even more unpleasant.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Did you miss Liverpool having a goal ruled out because Mohamed Salah was pushed into an offside position?
    Yes, but it doesn't surprise me. It sounds very similar to what I have just seen. At the very least it was a penalty.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    I think he will bottle it and not stand. Banks is trying to get him involved in Reform UK because it would massively boost their profile but Farage is playing hard to get. I still think adding half of Reform's polling to the Tories gives you a better idea of where the parties are.

    There is a pivot. If Farage becomes leader then the Tories are absolutely sunk. If Farage doesn't become leader then yes I can see some of their vote share going back to the Tories.

    Remember though, there is a difference between the Nigel being leader and him running for a seat. He is perfectly likely to become leader, work to smash your lot into oblivion and not seek election himself...
    My lot? I think describing me as a semi-detached supporter of the government these days would be extremely generous.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,899
    Good afternoon everyone.

    An interesting little video pointing out some of Trumps strange historic links in New York, including Roger Stone - a political fixer going back to Nixon Times, who was sentenced to 40 months in prison for various offences - witness tampering, making false statements to congress etc.

    Never went to prison, as he was pardoned by President Trump.

    Not sure how much weight to give this, but an absorbing rabbit hole.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mvGxF7Jw4M
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    I think he will bottle it and not stand. Banks is trying to get him involved in Reform UK because it would massively boost their profile but Farage is playing hard to get. I still think adding half of Reform's polling to the Tories gives you a better idea of where the parties are.

    There is a pivot. If Farage becomes leader then the Tories are absolutely sunk. If Farage doesn't become leader then yes I can see some of their vote share going back to the Tories.

    Remember though, there is a difference between the Nigel being leader and him running for a seat. He is perfectly likely to become leader, work to smash your lot into oblivion and not seek election himself...
    Farage as MP would mean limits on his jobs outside parliament, a requirement to report any sources of funding in the register of members’ interests and significantly more scrutiny of his extracurricular activities. If I were him I’m not sure I’d fancy that.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,339
    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    MattW said:

    Good afternoon everyone.

    An interesting little video pointing out some of Trumps strange historic links in New York, including Roger Stone - a political fixer going back to Nixon Times, who was sentenced to 40 months in prison for various offences - witness tampering, making false statements to congress etc.

    Never went to prison, as he was pardoned by President Trump.

    Not sure how much weight to give this, but an absorbing rabbit hole.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mvGxF7Jw4M

    Audio of Roger stone planning to assassinate two Democrats.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT76yYdYac4
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    I’ve just seen a Tripadvisor review of that hotel

    “The owners, Tracey and Mohammad, go above and beyond to ensure the best stay possible”

    Which is fair but it omits the crucial bit, “in particular, if you wish to purchase raw opium on a daily basis, Mohammad only needs to bum the most beautiful male in your holiday group, Breakfasts are excellent and fresh”
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    Malmesbury said:

    AverageNinja said:

    I don't know who Nigel Faragae is but are they less of a prick than Farage?

    The ending would indicate a plural.

    So a Faragae is multiple Farages

    Which sounds even more unpleasant.

    Sounds like some kind of algae that attaches itself to bandwagons.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    edited January 14
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Sometimes we do miss the off topic button.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,114
    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,923
    I am afraid I think it highly possible that the UK will have a popular “hard right” political force coming into play in national politics in the next 5 years. We are in many ways an outlier in the rest of the Western world (largely I suspect because of the Brexit distraction and the fact the Tories were able to capitalise on the populist movement in 2019).

    Whether that person leads the Tories, or is an independent force, is difficult to say.

    Also, whether that person is Farage or not is a tricky one to answer. In some ways, Farage has the baggage that another may not. But he does have the name recognition.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,339
    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Farage is 60 in April and, while slightly younger than Starmer, doesn’t strike me as a man who keeps himself in amazing shape. Can he be arsed?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    The Hitler screensaver thing was performative post-modern comedy “gold”.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,339
    OT (again) but an interesting little bit of social history: the evolving caff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2024/jan/14/egg-bacon-and-a-ghormeh-sabzi-the-uks-greasy-spoons-are-redoing-their-menus
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,771
    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Sometimes we do miss the off topic button.
    Indeed.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
    According to Wiki the SD wore Waffen SS uniforms and they did indeed have a white summer tunic.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,949
    Dura_Ace said:

    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.

    Over in the real world, the UK has one of the lowest opinion poll ratings for any party or parties that might be described as hard-right. On the other hand, in Germany they're on 24% and 23% in Sweden.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    Today’s Sunday Rawnsley, arriving to a cold still south and a rather windy north:

    ..it is only now that the conscience of Westminster has been sufficiently stirred for the government to propose remedies. And only after the intense public outrage generated by the compelling ITV drama, Mr Bates vs The Post Office.

    A mounting pile of evidence suggests the government-owned organisation and its corporate collaborator sought to conceal their own blunders to protect their brands, profits and the reputations of senior executives at the expense of innocent people.

    Having let this go on for so long, politicians from Rishi Sunak downwards are falling over each other to try to blag a bogus halo by hailing the campaign led by Mr Bates and declaring that he deserves a knighthood. There’s less enthusiasm at Westminster for acknowledging a collective failure to wake up to this scandal much earlier.

    An unusual feature of this scandal is that its taint is on more than one party. This is a large part of the explanation for why none was previously keen to give it the attention and profile that it deserved. Over the past 25 years, there have been 15 business secretaries, one Lib Dem, six Labour and eight Conservative. Politicians from all three parties have held ministerial responsibility for postal affairs. Tories chucking stones are doing so from glass houses.

    The government expects a mass exoneration to take the heat out of public anger, but justice will not be properly done until there is condign punishment of all those responsible for inflicting devastating cruelty and hardship on so many innocent people. They endured it for so long because politicians who should have been alert to what was going on were asleep at the wheel of state.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    Not sure why the East Saxons are so slow to integrate. They've had 1600 years.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,771
    numbertwelve said:

    I am afraid I think it highly possible that the UK will have a popular “hard right” political force coming into play in national politics in the next 5 years. We are in many ways an outlier in the rest of the Western world (largely I suspect because of the Brexit distraction and the fact the Tories were able to capitalise on the populist movement in 2019).

    Whether that person leads the Tories, or is an independent force, is difficult to say.

    Also, whether that person is Farage or not is a tricky one to answer. In some ways, Farage has the baggage that another may not. But he does have the name recognition.

    He is also unburdened by any form of scruple whatsoever and is a demon at exploiting both social and mainstream media. The tories could do a lot worse and probably will - that one who looks like a BAME Minion and is currently hiding in an Amazon Parcel Locker to avoid answering (boring) questions on Horizongate.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    Andy_JS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.

    Over in the real world, the UK has one of the lowest opinion poll ratings for any party or parties that might be described as hard-right. On the other hand, in Germany they're on 24% and 23% in Sweden.
    I don’t think we should pat ourselves on the back too quickly. It’s FPTP.

    The GOP shows how the rise of the hard right looks different in a FPTP system.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,282
    TimS said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    I think he will bottle it and not stand. Banks is trying to get him involved in Reform UK because it would massively boost their profile but Farage is playing hard to get. I still think adding half of Reform's polling to the Tories gives you a better idea of where the parties are.

    There is a pivot. If Farage becomes leader then the Tories are absolutely sunk. If Farage doesn't become leader then yes I can see some of their vote share going back to the Tories.

    Remember though, there is a difference between the Nigel being leader and him running for a seat. He is perfectly likely to become leader, work to smash your lot into oblivion and not seek election himself...
    Farage as MP would mean limits on his jobs outside parliament, a requirement to report any sources of funding in the register of members’ interests and significantly more scrutiny of his extracurricular activities. If I were him I’m not sure I’d fancy that.
    He didn't mind being an MEP for all that time, so should we infer that the European Parliament has lower standards?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,339
    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
    According to Wiki the SD wore Waffen SS uniforms and they did indeed have a white summer tunic.
    One learns something new on PB daily. Never thought of the SS in white (except in the mess).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    edited January 14
    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    Do you honestly still believe the young Hitler thing was real?

    I think you desperately WANT to believe. There is a difference
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 14
    So glad to see point 2 made in the ‘flip side’ argument, the 7 losses attack is such a misleading statistic. Well played to @TheScreamingEagles for that

    I think the fact they elected a kipper against a Conservative twice means Reform/Farage will have enough name recognition to be honest. Most people just think they’re all ‘The Farage Party’. Giles Watling MP aka the vicar who married Aveline in Carla Lane’s Bread, was defeated candidate by Carswell twice, and has been a bit of a face there for decades and probably has more loyal vote than most Tories though

    I actually campaigned for Carswell in the By Election; there are (were) two very different parts of the constituency. Lovely middle class Frinton, and down at heel Clacton ft further down at heel Jaywick, with its mobile homes & unkept roads. I canvassed there with Suzanne Evans who might have been UKIP leader for a while I think. Knocking on one chalet front door, I was confronted by an unemployed bloke from Barking, who had an aggressive looking dog. For some reason I sat down and had a chat with him and his Dad, whilst they were drinking cans of beer. He said they normally voted National Front, so I had to say “er well UKIP are the toughest on immigration” whilst trying to shimmy towards the exit. They had a massive speaker outside the place which was blaring out Eminem. Suzanne wasn’t impressed by that at all

    Posh Frinton wasn’t so keen on UKIP as you might expect. They loved ‘Dougie’ but thought he’d betrayed them by leaving the Tories

    Anyway, TLDR the rest; 4/1 seems a decent bet. If Farage stands in the next GE, it will be somewhere he is better than 20% chance to win. He looks like he fancies standing, the conditions seem good for him really.

    I suppose the maths is

    % chance he will stand multiplied by % chance he will win

    If he’s 75/25 to stand he’d need to be 3/1 to win the seat for it to be bad value. If he chose Clacton, my childhood holiday destination, he’d probably be 6/4ish wouldn’t he?


  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,114
    IanB2 said:

    Today’s Sunday Rawnsley, arriving to a cold still south and a rather windy north:

    ..it is only now that the conscience of Westminster has been sufficiently stirred for the government to propose remedies. And only after the intense public outrage generated by the compelling ITV drama, Mr Bates vs The Post Office.

    A mounting pile of evidence suggests the government-owned organisation and its corporate collaborator sought to conceal their own blunders to protect their brands, profits and the reputations of senior executives at the expense of innocent people.

    Having let this go on for so long, politicians from Rishi Sunak downwards are falling over each other to try to blag a bogus halo by hailing the campaign led by Mr Bates and declaring that he deserves a knighthood. There’s less enthusiasm at Westminster for acknowledging a collective failure to wake up to this scandal much earlier.

    An unusual feature of this scandal is that its taint is on more than one party. This is a large part of the explanation for why none was previously keen to give it the attention and profile that it deserved. Over the past 25 years, there have been 15 business secretaries, one Lib Dem, six Labour and eight Conservative. Politicians from all three parties have held ministerial responsibility for postal affairs. Tories chucking stones are doing so from glass houses.

    The government expects a mass exoneration to take the heat out of public anger, but justice will not be properly done until there is condign punishment of all those responsible for inflicting devastating cruelty and hardship on so many innocent people. They endured it for so long because politicians who should have been alert to what was going on were asleep at the wheel of state.

    That extract sums things up, almost perfectly.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,949
    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Why can't they get VAR right? Mindboggling.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,991
    Carnyx said:

    OT (again) but an interesting little bit of social history: the evolving caff.

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2024/jan/14/egg-bacon-and-a-ghormeh-sabzi-the-uks-greasy-spoons-are-redoing-their-menus

    I was in The Barras (for those who don't know - big 'market' full of tat, 2nd hand randomness (bag of rusty nails? sure!) a while back and a cafe had taken over a corner stall and had a fancy 'artisanal' wood-framed chalkboard outside to write the menu on.

    It proudly listed one item : "Chef's special - CHIPS".
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Carnyx said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
    According to Wiki the SD wore Waffen SS uniforms and they did indeed have a white summer tunic.
    One learns something new on PB daily. Never thought of the SS in white (except in the mess).
    You often see pix of Hermann Goering in a white tunic, he probably thought it made him look less fat.
  • WildernessPt2WildernessPt2 Posts: 715
    numbertwelve said:

    I am afraid I think it highly possible that the UK will have a popular “hard right” political force coming into play in national politics in the next 5 years. We are in many ways an outlier in the rest of the Western world (largely I suspect because of the Brexit distraction and the fact the Tories were able to capitalise on the populist movement in 2019).

    Whether that person leads the Tories, or is an independent force, is difficult to say.

    Also, whether that person is Farage or not is a tricky one to answer. In some ways, Farage has the baggage that another may not. But he does have the name recognition.

    Whilst not 'hard right' Kemi Badenoch is the only person I've ever really heard in the front(ish) line of politics put forward a genuine small c conservative position on the world. It's genuine, its not an act (or is a very good act, but i dont think so), its Corbyn like in how the Conservative party membership lap it up. If she had got through to the membership when the parliamentary party bother to ask last time she would have gained huge support as the campaign developed.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,989
    Afternoon all :)

    The more interesting aspect of the poll are the numbers without Farage.

    Conservatives are losing nearly half their vote which we've seen in other previously safe Conservative seats at by-elections. In this instance, Labour is picking up about 40% of this with Reform getting the rest which isn't far off the split of the 2019 Conservative vote recorded in polls.

    The notional swing from Conservative to Labour in Clacton, the fifth safest Conservative seat, is 24.5% suggesting (and there's some evidence) the swing against the Conservatives is greater in its core seats rather than the marginals (which may be a glimmer of hope or it may not).

    If you apply a 24.5% swing evenly, the Conservatives end up with 15 seats so that's just for fun but currently we are looking at some huge swings though given the size of the Conservative majority in their safest seats not enough for these seats to change hands.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
    According to Wiki the SD wore Waffen SS uniforms and they did indeed have a white summer tunic.
    One learns something new on PB daily. Never thought of the SS in white (except in the mess).
    You often see pix of Hermann Goering in a white tunic, he probably thought it made him look less fat.
    Dire Straits nailed it:

    Les boys do cabaret
    Les boys are glad to be gay
    They're not afraid now
    A disco bar in Germany
    Les boys are glad to be
    Upon parade now
    Les boys got leather straps
    Les boys got SS caps
    But they got no gun now
    Get dressed up get a little risqué
    Got to do a little s & m these days
    It's all in fun now
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,949
    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Tell us a story from one of your first visits to Bangkok.
  • WildernessPt2WildernessPt2 Posts: 715
    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.

    Over in the real world, the UK has one of the lowest opinion poll ratings for any party or parties that might be described as hard-right. On the other hand, in Germany they're on 24% and 23% in Sweden.
    I don’t think we should pat ourselves on the back too quickly. It’s FPTP.

    The GOP shows how the rise of the hard right looks different in a FPTP system.
    What do you think would fit in a PB collective definition of hard right?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Tell us a story from one of your first visits to Bangkok.
    Ok. They’re quite wild. @IanB2 and @kinabalu and @bondegezou - et al - will try to get me banned. You have to be ready to stick up for me
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,771
    stodge said:



    If you apply a 24.5% swing evenly, the Conservatives end up with 15 seats so that's just for fun but currently we are looking at some huge swings though given the size of the Conservative majority in their safest seats not enough for these seats to change hands.

    Were you up for Mordaunt?

    We always were, reply the PM4PM Stans.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    edited January 14
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Tell us a story from one of your first visits to Bangkok.
    What are you doing? For goodness sake don't encourage him. He's insufferable enough without being asked for requests.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,949
    Denmark has a king for the first time in 52 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederik_X
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    Well I’ve got everyone talking about the correct summer attire for the SS, so that’s some small consolation
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,075
    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Why can't they get VAR right? Mindboggling.
    Football is institutionally stupid. They spend years utterly refusing to countenance technological assistance while rugby, cricket, tennis etc introduce it quite effectively and without fuss - then suddenly do a big about turn and start swanking about as if they invented it, but, bafflingly, and uniquely to football, manage to make things more controversial rather than less.
    Football: you're a bloody idiot.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    edited January 14
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Tell us a story from one of your first visits to Bangkok.
    Ok. They’re quite wild. @IanB2 and @kinabalu and @bondegezou - et al - will try to get me banned. You have to be ready to stick up for me
    You’re tolerated here as the yurodivy, because there’s just the one of you (at a time, obvs). If ever another great twat appeared, you’d both have to be banned or the site would go down the drain, as have so many others.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,452
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    The more interesting aspect of the poll are the numbers without Farage.

    Conservatives are losing nearly half their vote which we've seen in other previously safe Conservative seats at by-elections. In this instance, Labour is picking up about 40% of this with Reform getting the rest which isn't far off the split of the 2019 Conservative vote recorded in polls.

    The notional swing from Conservative to Labour in Clacton, the fifth safest Conservative seat, is 24.5% suggesting (and there's some evidence) the swing against the Conservatives is greater in its core seats rather than the marginals (which may be a glimmer of hope or it may not).

    If you apply a 24.5% swing evenly, the Conservatives end up with 15 seats so that's just for fun but currently we are looking at some huge swings though given the size of the Conservative majority in their safest seats not enough for these seats to change hands.

    Isn't that potentially really bad news for the 2024 Conservatives?

    Small swings in places where a small swing loses and big swings where a big swing is necessary.

    It might make for a friendlier battleground in 2028/9, but who cares about the distant future?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Tell us a story from one of your first visits to Bangkok.
    Ok. They’re quite wild. @IanB2 and @kinabalu and @bondegezou - et al - will try to get me banned. You have to be ready to stick up for me
    You’re tolerated here as the yurodivy, because there’s just the one of you. If ever another great twat appeared, you’d both have to be banned or the site would go down the drain, as have so many others.
    You’re tolerated because you’re barely noticed and never say anything interesting, unless you post a photo of your special dog friend

    I guess we must both be content with our stations in PB life
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    "Steely guile"? Oo-er.

    Have now finished over 4,000 lines of moth records on my spreadsheet for 2023. I think steering the conversation on this thread towards moths might be a greater challenge.

    Although reminiscences of fash knickerbockers with braces is probably preferable to bigging up the ego of Nigel Farage.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Stuartinromford said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    The more interesting aspect of the poll are the numbers without Farage.

    Conservatives are losing nearly half their vote which we've seen in other previously safe Conservative seats at by-elections. In this instance, Labour is picking up about 40% of this with Reform getting the rest which isn't far off the split of the 2019 Conservative vote recorded in polls.

    The notional swing from Conservative to Labour in Clacton, the fifth safest Conservative seat, is 24.5% suggesting (and there's some evidence) the swing against the Conservatives is greater in its core seats rather than the marginals (which may be a glimmer of hope or it may not).

    If you apply a 24.5% swing evenly, the Conservatives end up with 15 seats so that's just for fun but currently we are looking at some huge swings though given the size of the Conservative majority in their safest seats not enough for these seats to change hands.

    Isn't that potentially really bad news for the 2024 Conservatives?

    Small swings in places where a small swing loses and big swings where a big swing is necessary.

    It might make for a friendlier battleground in 2028/9, but who cares about the distant future?
    This could be similar to that which happened to SLAB in Scotland in 2015 which led to bigger swings to SNP in safer SLAB seats so leaving SLAB with next to nothing.

    The difference this time is that there was huge enthusiasm for SNP in 2015 whereas there really isn't for LAB this time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,473
    ...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,473
    Snowing pretty steadily here now. And it's lying.
    Re: VAR. Correct decision.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    "Steely guile"? Oo-er.

    Have now finished over 4,000 lines of moth records on my spreadsheet for 2023. I think steering the conversation on this thread towards moths might be a greater challenge.

    Although reminiscences of fash knickerbockers with braces is probably preferable to bigging up the ego of Nigel Farage.
    Theory: Britain started going downhill when the army gave up wearing redcoats

    Up until then we were unbeatable. After that…. Decline
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    ...
    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    "Steely guile"? Oo-er.

    Have now finished over 4,000 lines of moth records on my spreadsheet for 2023. I think steering the conversation on this thread towards moths might be a greater challenge.

    Although reminiscences of fash knickerbockers with braces is probably preferable to bigging up the ego of Nigel Farage.
    Don't do it! Your moths would make a hell.of a mess of Leon's uniform collection.

    Perhaps we could conflate the conversations and put Farage in an SS uniform in Frinton-on-Sea. That would confuse the over 70 voting contingent of North Essex.
  • RichardrRichardr Posts: 97
    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    It was the person who crossed the ball that was offside - nothing to do with the foot of the forward in the box.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    I’m case this hasn’t been corrected, the offside was correct. The corner taker for was offside when the ball was played back to him.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    "Steely guile"? Oo-er.

    Have now finished over 4,000 lines of moth records on my spreadsheet for 2023. I think steering the conversation on this thread towards moths might be a greater challenge.

    Although reminiscences of fash knickerbockers with braces is probably preferable to bigging up the ego of Nigel Farage.
    Theory: Britain started going downhill when the army gave up wearing redcoats

    Up until then we were unbeatable. After that…. Decline
    Coincidentally the decline of Butlins as a favoured holiday destination followed similar lines.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149
    edited January 14
    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    I’ve had a sudden flashback to the days when royalists thought Hezza getting dressed up in a Nazi uniform (DAK I think?) was a bit of harmless fun. Tbf the Firm immediately realised it was a big boo boo and went into full apology mode.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,473
    Re VAR. Leave it to the ref.
    Well.
    Tarkowski went in strongly. No foul. Throw in given. Several players start pushing and shoving.
    Tarkowski walked away.
    Result. A Villa player and Tarkowski booked. Play re-starts with a throw in.
    Booked for not committing a foul, nor joining in the aftermath.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
    According to Wiki the SD wore Waffen SS uniforms and they did indeed have a white summer tunic.
    One learns something new on PB daily. Never thought of the SS in white (except in the mess).
    You often see pix of Hermann Goering in a white tunic, he probably thought it made him look less fat.
    Wasn't Goering a transvestite?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Swiss Guard would scare the crap out of anyone.


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,890
    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    A white feather for the White War?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    edited January 14
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Swiss Guard would scare the crap out of anyone.


    Designed by Michelangelo!


    (Allegedly)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,473
    Theuniondivvie said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    I’ve had a sudden flashback to the days when royalists thought Hezza getting dressed up in a Nazi uniform (DAK I think?) was a bit of harmless fun. Tbf the Firm immediately realised it was a big boo boo and went into full apology mode.
    Struggled for a while to remember Michael Heseltine doing that.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    kyf_100 said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Carnyx said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    I’m a bit shocked he didn’t pick a tonier outfit than the Hitler Youth. The SD?
    Bit hot and sweaty for the climate. DAK, or at a pinch the loose overalls of the OT or the Fallschirmjaeger.
    They must have had a summer uniform, surely?

    SD? No idea, my boyhood model army didn't get beyond the Afrika Korps and paratroops! But now you mention it the army did have a tropical/summer uniform used in the Mediterranean summer as well as North Africa, so yes I should think so - just use the appropriate badges.
    According to Wiki the SD wore Waffen SS uniforms and they did indeed have a white summer tunic.
    One learns something new on PB daily. Never thought of the SS in white (except in the mess).
    You often see pix of Hermann Goering in a white tunic, he probably thought it made him look less fat.
    Wasn't Goering a transvestite?
    He'd have belonged here, then:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67968112

    Incidentally, not quite sure what the mot just for a gathering of drag queens ought to be, but can't help thinking it shouldn't be 'convention'.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,319
    Leon said:

    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Swiss Guard would scare the crap out of anyone.


    Designed by Michelangelo!


    (Allegedly)
    Everyone has an off day.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149
    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    "Steely guile"? Oo-er.

    Have now finished over 4,000 lines of moth records on my spreadsheet for 2023. I think steering the conversation on this thread towards moths might be a greater challenge.

    Although reminiscences of fash knickerbockers with braces is probably preferable to bigging up the ego of Nigel Farage.
    Theory: Britain started going downhill when the army gave up wearing redcoats

    Up until then we were unbeatable. After that…. Decline
    I fear wearing redcoats throughout WWI on the Western Front may have been sub optimal. Even those martial fashionistas the French gave up on the red breeks after a few months of being picked off at will.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Alphabet_Soup said:

    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Swiss Guard would scare the crap out of anyone.


    Do they have razor blades sewn into the brim of their Peaky Blinder hats?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    There’s a whole book to be written about the psychological appeal of male military uniform - to men and to women

    To men it is obvious. Suddenly you look smarter and harder and part of an army, ready to fight, testosterone surging, buttons polished and boots shining: the image of bravery

    But the best male military uniforms appeal to women as well. Emphasising broad shoulders and narrow waist. The classic male inverted triangle

    It is the equivalent - but more important, I’d say - of the way some men get turned on by nurses uniforms
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149
    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Bersaglieri?


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,822
    I think that Reform would probably perform far better in elections if they were named 'Nigel Farage's Reform Party'. I don't see that this name-change would be a problem (someone better versed in these things could let me know), and it would be a free way to get more votes. Beyond that, I am not sure what Nigel's current dance of the seven veils is really about. He doesn't have to be a candidate to lead the party into the election, and if he did succeed, does he really want to be a back-bench MP for 5 years, doing constituency surgeries and listening to boring speeches - perhaps he does.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    williamglenn said:

    TimS said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    I think he will bottle it and not stand. Banks is trying to get him involved in Reform UK because it would massively boost their profile but Farage is playing hard to get. I still think adding half of Reform's polling to the Tories gives you a better idea of where the parties are.

    There is a pivot. If Farage becomes leader then the Tories are absolutely sunk. If Farage doesn't become leader then yes I can see some of their vote share going back to the Tories.

    Remember though, there is a difference between the Nigel being leader and him running for a seat. He is perfectly likely to become leader, work to smash your lot into oblivion and not seek election himself...
    Farage as MP would mean limits on his jobs outside parliament, a requirement to report any sources of funding in the register of members’ interests and significantly more scrutiny of his extracurricular activities. If I were him I’m not sure I’d fancy that.
    He didn't mind being an MEP for all that time, so should we infer that the European Parliament has lower standards?
    I think he’s substantially richer now, and yes I think parliamentary scrutiny here - particularly the interest of the media - is greater than for MEPs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    Second post in and you are attempting to hijack the thread. A record I suspect even for @Leon .

    @MarqueeMark commandeered the last thread beautifully. He achieved a parallel conversation and interesting diversion on the state of comedy with steely guile.

    Two tips for you: it wasn't all about him and who these days is interested in the procurement of class A drugs? The accomplishment of which is neither big nor clever.
    "Steely guile"? Oo-er.

    Have now finished over 4,000 lines of moth records on my spreadsheet for 2023. I think steering the conversation on this thread towards moths might be a greater challenge.

    Although reminiscences of fash knickerbockers with braces is probably preferable to bigging up the ego of Nigel Farage.
    Theory: Britain started going downhill when the army gave up wearing redcoats

    Up until then we were unbeatable. After that…. Decline
    I fear wearing redcoats throughout WWI on the Western Front may have been sub optimal. Even those martial fashionistas the French gave up on the red breeks after a few months of being picked off at will.
    Nonsense. Ok you’re a tiny bit conspicuous in a BRIGHT SCARLET COAT on a dull Picardy field but that just emphasises your bravery

    Incidentally Scottish military uniforms are some of the best. I believe Jean Cocteau (IIRC) wrote a whole essay about his homoerotic swoon when he saw the Cameron Highlanders transporting to WW1 in full kilt and sporran
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149
    dixiedean said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    I’ve had a sudden flashback to the days when royalists thought Hezza getting dressed up in a Nazi uniform (DAK I think?) was a bit of harmless fun. Tbf the Firm immediately realised it was a big boo boo and went into full apology mode.
    Struggled for a while to remember Michael Heseltine doing that.
    Sorry, should be Hazza I guess! Rumours that Heseltine was wearing a Nazi uniform when he strangled his dog are entirely unfounded.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,822
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Bersaglieri?


    Practising their 'what to do when engaged in battle with anyone not armed with spears' manoeuvres.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127
    WildernessPt2 said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I am afraid I think it highly possible that the UK will have a popular “hard right” political force coming into play in national politics in the next 5 years. We are in many ways an outlier in the rest of the Western world (largely I suspect because of the Brexit distraction and the fact the Tories were able to capitalise on the populist movement in 2019).

    Whether that person leads the Tories, or is an independent force, is difficult to say.

    Also, whether that person is Farage or not is a tricky one to answer. In some ways, Farage has the baggage that another may not. But he does have the name recognition.

    Whilst not 'hard right' Kemi Badenoch is the only person I've ever really heard in the front(ish) line of politics put forward a genuine small c conservative position on the world. It's genuine, its not an act (or is a very good act, but i dont think so), its Corbyn like in how the Conservative party membership lap it up. If she had got through to the membership when the parliamentary party bother to ask last time she would have gained huge support as the campaign developed.
    PO Scandal may finish her off. She cannot remain the invisible woman.

    She talks the culture war talk, but disappears like the Cheshire Cat when a real scandal shows up.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,466
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Why can't they get VAR right? Mindboggling.
    Football is institutionally stupid. They spend years utterly refusing to countenance technological assistance while rugby, cricket, tennis etc introduce it quite effectively and without fuss - then suddenly do a big about turn and start swanking about as if they invented it, but, bafflingly, and uniquely to football, manage to make things more controversial rather than less.
    Football: you're a bloody idiot.
    If they were smart (and they are anything but) they would abandon VAR and work on it in secret until they had figured out a way of using it to the benefit of the game. At the moment, it's a drag.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    Bersaglieri?


    lol!

    Similar to that but even more insane and also somewhat more chic

    I saw them in the (really good) Italian museum of the great war in Rovereto
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    edited January 14
    WildernessPt2 said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.

    Over in the real world, the UK has one of the lowest opinion poll ratings for any party or parties that might be described as hard-right. On the other hand, in Germany they're on 24% and 23% in Sweden.
    I don’t think we should pat ourselves on the back too quickly. It’s FPTP.

    The GOP shows how the rise of the hard right looks different in a FPTP system.
    What do you think would fit in a PB collective definition of hard right?
    We had a similar debate a few days ago, but hard right is an interesting term and different from far right with fewer confusing Nazi connotations.

    I’d put much of the MAGA right of the Republicans in the hard right (but Trump himself? It always seems like he cosplays hard/far right), Poland’s PiS, Le Pen’s RN, UKIP and some parts of Refuk, Matt Goodwin, and a handful of Tory MPs including Braverman.

    Hard right to me is more than populism. It’s more ideological. But less fashy than far right.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,125
    Leon said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    Didn’t Bryan Ferry nearly get cancelled for saying the SS had cool uniforms?

    Its ridiculous. Because they did. Hugo Boss knew what he was doing - as did Hitler and Goebbels. As did everyone since the year dot

    Men look good in military uniforms - it’s why the royals crave them despite doing 2 weeks in the reserves. And the Nazi uniforms were particularly good - tho not the best

    Some of the Italian uniforms from WW1 were just magnificent
    Can't beat the Hussar and Lancer regiments. Napoleonic era French, British and Prussian uniforms for me.
    Yeah they were pretty cool

    I wish I could find an image of the Italian uniform I’m recalling. It was a futurist regiment from the White War

    They had feathers in their caps. Looked brilliant. Utterly impractical
    The Bersaglieri?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    dixiedean said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    JohnLilburne said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not letting this amazing sudden returning memory DIE just coz of a new thread


    So. FPT



    Just had a vivid memory of me age 23, wearing sort of Hitler Youth black shorts - with braces - inhabiting a £2 a night hostel on the wild bank of the Nile at Luxor, a hostel which was actually part of some ancient temple, so you woke up in the morning and stared at Anubis staring back at you. Superb

    I was with three friends and we were all equally insane and we spent every day chasing down opium until we found a good supplier, and that kept us zonked for a week, opiated to fuck, the only problem was that the hostel owner/opium dealer really really wanted to have gay sex with my very handsome best friend Trevor, and, failing that, me (less handsome but still pretty enough, back then)

    So we had to spend the whole time begging him to sell us more opium while at the same time coming up with excuses why we would not let him sodomise us (or bugger him, I don’t know if he batted or bowled)

    THAT, my PB friends, is a true story

    I believe you, I mean nobody is shocked that you dressed like the Hitler Youth.
    The same man who has young Hitler as the screensaver on his laptop; why would we be surprised?

    The surprise is that his more extreme comments on here are tolerated, rather than moderated.
    There you go. Try and ban me again

    You just can’t let it go, can you?

    And what exactly is it I’ve said that is so extreme now? That I once wore shorts that resembled Hitler Youth Attire? is that bannable, wearing clothes that might look a tad fash in a lowlight?
    I once saw a bunch of German lads rock up to a bar in Bratislava rocking the Afrika Corps look. Khaki/cream shirts/t-shirts and shorts, peaked caps (probably mostly baseball caps to be honest) with sunglasses on their hats a la that famous picture of Rommel with his tanker goggles on his hat. Mostly blond and with a certain swagger. To be honest they were probably just a bunch of young lads away for a beery weekend and dressed for a mitteleuropean summer, but if I thought WTF I'm not sure what the locals thought.
    I’ve had a sudden flashback to the days when royalists thought Hezza getting dressed up in a Nazi uniform (DAK I think?) was a bit of harmless fun. Tbf the Firm immediately realised it was a big boo boo and went into full apology mode.
    Struggled for a while to remember Michael Heseltine doing that.
    He liked to wear the uniform but wasn’t so keen on being in the military
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,576
    TimS said:

    WildernessPt2 said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.

    Over in the real world, the UK has one of the lowest opinion poll ratings for any party or parties that might be described as hard-right. On the other hand, in Germany they're on 24% and 23% in Sweden.
    I don’t think we should pat ourselves on the back too quickly. It’s FPTP.

    The GOP shows how the rise of the hard right looks different in a FPTP system.
    What do you think would fit in a PB collective definition of hard right?
    We had a similar debate a few days ago, but hard right is an interesting term and different from far right with fewer confusing Nazi connotations.

    I’d put much of the MAGA right of the Republicans in the hard right (but Trump himself? It always seems like he cosplays hard/far right), Poland’s PiS, Le Pen’s RN, UKIP and some parts of Refuk, Matt Goodwin, and a handful of Tory MPs including Braverman.

    Hard right to me is more than populism. It’s more ideological. But less fashy than far right.
    I’m not even sure Trump is hard right let alone far right

    He’s trumpite. He doesn’t really have much philosophy other than what gets him elected with lots of populism and a dash of xenophobia and a deal making business agenda, treating America as a company

    Defining him kinda OVER-complicates him
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,473
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    Another terrible decision from VAR in the Villa game.
    A forward in the box gets wrestled to the ground and his foot goes in front of the defender. The ball does not come anywhere near either of them but is centred and then superbly hit into the corner. Just ridiculous.

    Why can't they get VAR right? Mindboggling.
    Football is institutionally stupid. They spend years utterly refusing to countenance technological assistance while rugby, cricket, tennis etc introduce it quite effectively and without fuss - then suddenly do a big about turn and start swanking about as if they invented it, but, bafflingly, and uniquely to football, manage to make things more controversial rather than less.
    Football: you're a bloody idiot.
    If they were smart (and they are anything but) they would abandon VAR and work on it in secret until they had figured out a way of using it to the benefit of the game. At the moment, it's a drag.
    No other country, nor the World Cup, seemed to have a problem with it.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    WildernessPt2 said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I immediately discounted this for the simple reason that he is not going to live in fucking Clacton. However... in the next parliament when the tories are a shattered collection of survivors with radiation burns and SKS is firing up the Rejoin Machine then maybe being in a position to defect to the tories while an MP is the move.

    NF could then launch a Nigelnacht leadership bid.

    Over in the real world, the UK has one of the lowest opinion poll ratings for any party or parties that might be described as hard-right. On the other hand, in Germany they're on 24% and 23% in Sweden.
    I don’t think we should pat ourselves on the back too quickly. It’s FPTP.

    The GOP shows how the rise of the hard right looks different in a FPTP system.
    What do you think would fit in a PB collective definition of hard right?
    We had a similar debate a few days ago, but hard right is an interesting term and different from far right with fewer confusing Nazi connotations.

    I’d put much of the MAGA right of the Republicans in the hard right (but Trump himself? It always seems like he cosplays hard/far right), Poland’s PiS, Le Pen’s RN, UKIP and some parts of Refuk, Matt Goodwin, and a handful of Tory MPs including Braverman.

    Hard right to me is more than populism. It’s more ideological. But less fashy than far right.
    I’m not even sure Trump is hard right let alone far right

    He’s trumpite. He doesn’t really have much philosophy other than what gets him elected with lots of populism and a dash of xenophobia and a deal making business agenda, treating America as a company

    Defining him kinda OVER-complicates him
    That’s exactly my point. He doesn’t strike me as remotely ideological, other than his ideology being Donald Trump, but he plays the hard/far right part - recall his bloodthirsty comments last week - because he knows his audience likes it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,282
    Foxy said:

    WildernessPt2 said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I am afraid I think it highly possible that the UK will have a popular “hard right” political force coming into play in national politics in the next 5 years. We are in many ways an outlier in the rest of the Western world (largely I suspect because of the Brexit distraction and the fact the Tories were able to capitalise on the populist movement in 2019).

    Whether that person leads the Tories, or is an independent force, is difficult to say.

    Also, whether that person is Farage or not is a tricky one to answer. In some ways, Farage has the baggage that another may not. But he does have the name recognition.

    Whilst not 'hard right' Kemi Badenoch is the only person I've ever really heard in the front(ish) line of politics put forward a genuine small c conservative position on the world. It's genuine, its not an act (or is a very good act, but i dont think so), its Corbyn like in how the Conservative party membership lap it up. If she had got through to the membership when the parliamentary party bother to ask last time she would have gained huge support as the campaign developed.
    PO Scandal may finish her off. She cannot remain the invisible woman.

    She talks the culture war talk, but disappears like the Cheshire Cat when a real scandal shows up.
    The tactic helped 'Submarine' May survive the kind of scandals that would have finished off most Home Secretaries.
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