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Trump remains favourite to win W2024 – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,687
edited January 8 in General
imageTrump remains favourite to win W2024 – politicalbetting.com

By far the biggest political betting market is November’s White Houe race in the US. As can be seen Trump has lost a little of his betting appeal and he remains favourite.

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    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,590
    Here is actual 2024 POTUS Primary and Caucus Calendar from New Year's
    to Super Tuesday; NOTE that South Carolina REPUBLICAN primary not until Feb 24.

    January 15 > Iowa REPUBLICAN Precinct Caucuses

    January 23 > New Hampshire Primary

    February 3 > South Carolina DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 6 > Nevada DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 8 > Nevada REPUBLICAN Caucus; Virgin Island REPUBLICAN Caucus

    February 24 > South Carolina REPUBLICAN Primary

    February 27 > Michigan Primary

    March 2 > Idaho Republican Caucus; Missouri Republican Caucus

    March 3 > District of Columbia Republican Primary

    March 4 > North Dakota Republican Caucus
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,004

    Here is actual 2024 POTUS Primary and Caucus Calendar from New Year's
    to Super Tuesday; NOTE that South Carolina REPUBLICAN primary not until Feb 24.

    January 15 > Iowa REPUBLICAN Precinct Caucuses

    January 23 > New Hampshire Primary

    February 3 > South Carolina DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 6 > Nevada DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 8 > Nevada REPUBLICAN Caucus; Virgin Island REPUBLICAN Caucus

    February 24 > South Carolina REPUBLICAN Primary

    February 27 > Michigan Primary

    March 2 > Idaho Republican Caucus; Missouri Republican Caucus

    March 3 > District of Columbia Republican Primary

    March 4 > North Dakota Republican Caucus

    What about the Nevada Republican Primary? The one organized by the State, not by the party.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    rcs1000 said:

    Here is actual 2024 POTUS Primary and Caucus Calendar from New Year's
    to Super Tuesday; NOTE that South Carolina REPUBLICAN primary not until Feb 24.

    January 15 > Iowa REPUBLICAN Precinct Caucuses

    January 23 > New Hampshire Primary

    February 3 > South Carolina DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 6 > Nevada DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 8 > Nevada REPUBLICAN Caucus; Virgin Island REPUBLICAN Caucus

    February 24 > South Carolina REPUBLICAN Primary

    February 27 > Michigan Primary

    March 2 > Idaho Republican Caucus; Missouri Republican Caucus

    March 3 > District of Columbia Republican Primary

    March 4 > North Dakota Republican Caucus

    What about the Nevada Republican Primary? The one organized by the State, not by the party.
    That’s also on the 6th February.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001

    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.

    Almost forgot! Here’s mine:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 24/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 52 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 5.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 5.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £123.2bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 48

    @Benpointer - thank you for organising.

    A blend of pessimism and optimism in there.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    There’s a certain amusing irony in Nevada that although the caucus is the one being overseen by McDonald - just indicted for election fraud - the primary is the one which is going to see a candidate get 100% of the vote, as Nikki Haley is the only remaining candidate who filed for it.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    The three of them must have been busy rescuing so many people:

    The police added that the man wanted to thank the fishermen - named as Mike, Tyler and James - for rescuing him, along with all the emergency services.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    edited January 4

    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,193
    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    Does the bombing cause the occupation or the occupation cause the bombing.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    Does the bombing cause the occupation or the occupation cause the bombing.
    Speakint of bombings, any more news on who was behind that explosion in Iran?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289

    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.

    We empathise with your seventeen years’ of hurt
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,649
    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    Interesting trends in opinion in recent polls which seem to have Hamas gaining support in the West Bank, and losing support in Gaza. The solidarity vote effect.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,649
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    Does the bombing cause the occupation or the occupation cause the bombing.
    Speakint of bombings, any more news on who was behind that explosion in Iran?
    The US are suggesting it was ISIS.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    And a few percent for Reform, despite having no candidates?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    And a few percent for Reform, despite having no candidates?
    Quite a few Palestinians like Reforms zero immigration policy,
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,995
    Ghedebrav said:

    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.

    Almost forgot! Here’s mine:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 24/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 52 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 5.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 5.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £123.2bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 48

    @Benpointer - thank you for organising.

    A blend of pessimism and optimism in there.
    @Benpointer

    Mine , apologies for late entry

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 31/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 60 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.5%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £114bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 52
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    edited January 4
    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I'd have thought there's a reasonable chance that if Trump isn't running (and this is known early enough), Biden would pull out, and we'd have an open contest between two new candidates. Which would do the US a huge amount of good. The next generation of politicians must be feeling like Prince Charles.

    Biden's only really there because he's a (and possibly the only) proven antidote to the stains of Trump.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I suppose that Haley is currently running as "not Trump", but might get exposed on the stump as little else.

    I have her quite green as next POTUS
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited January 4
    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    That lot sums through to 64%, so if you take the remainder as simply not voting it means Hamas would get ~ 64% in an election. That sounds about right to me, I think Bibi would probably win a snap poll too now.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320
    malcolmg said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.

    Almost forgot! Here’s mine:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 24/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 52 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 5.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 5.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £123.2bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 48

    @Benpointer - thank you for organising.

    A blend of pessimism and optimism in there.
    @Benpointer

    Mine , apologies for late entry

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 31/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 60 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.5%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £114bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 52
    Good luck, Malcolm.

    If you win, I an likely to be close behind.

    And Happy New Year.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,653
    edited January 4
    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    That lot sums through to 64%, so if you take the remainder as simply not voting it means Hamas would get ~ 64% in an election. That sounds about right to me, I think Bibi would probably win a snap poll too now.
    Israeli polling says otherwise. Support for Bibi’s Likud has collapsed and for the main opposition National Unity has skyrocketed.

    Just look at the graph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Israeli_legislative_election#Polling_graph
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    RattersRatters Posts: 783
    malcolmg said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.

    Almost forgot! Here’s mine:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 24/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 52 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 5.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 5.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £123.2bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 48

    @Benpointer - thank you for organising.

    A blend of pessimism and optimism in there.
    @Benpointer

    Mine , apologies for late entry

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 31/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 60 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.5%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £114bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 52
    And mine:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 11%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 02/05/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 70 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.0%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 1.7%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £130bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 56
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,193
    @Benpointer

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 5.74%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 17/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Humza, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 52 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Haley

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.00%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 1.1% although deflation is a risk

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £106Bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 48
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    edited January 4
    Fidelity says Twitter's value has dropped to $12.5B . That's ~71% decrease in value from what Musky Baby paid for it.

    I wonder how the people who funded the purchase are feeling?

    Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    edited January 4
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I suppose that Haley is currently running as "not Trump", but might get exposed on the stump as little else.

    I have her quite green as next POTUS
    But Biden's key pitch was 'not Trump.' And while I don't agree with the MAGA loons that he's been a terrible president, he's not been such a barnstormer that he's a safe bet for re-election especially against a candidate thirty years younger.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,193
    Luke Humphries thanks Rishi Sunak for his kind words. Moron twitter is outraged.

    Luke should just ignore the twats.

    https://x.com/lukeh180/status/1742722996811321462?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287

    Fidelity says Twitter's value has dropped to $12.5B . That's ~71% decrease in value from what Musky Baby paid for it.

    I wonder how the people who funded the purchase are feeling?

    Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk

    I'm amused to see they quote the line Musk bought it 'to help humanity.'

    Destroying Twitter's credibility and possibly Twitter itself will definitely help humanity, but I don't think that's quite what he meant!
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    pm215pm215 Posts: 936
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I'd have thought there's a reasonable chance that if Trump isn't running (and this is known early enough), Biden would pull out, and we'd have an open contest between two new candidates. Which would do the US a huge amount of good. The next generation of politicians must be feeling like Prince Charles.
    "Early enough" would have to be about six months ago, though. The window for Biden to pull out under any circumstances short of "major health issues" is long closed.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,873


    Rishi Sunak

    @RishiSunak

    Follow

    Congratulations Luke, a great win tonight. What an incredible final to end a historic championship. I know that

    @lukeh180

    and

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    will be leading the sport for years to come.

    Response should surely have been Dart Boards a bit high for you mate

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    TazTaz Posts: 11,193

    Fidelity says Twitter's value has dropped to $12.5B . That's ~71% decrease in value from what Musky Baby paid for it.

    I wonder how the people who funded the purchase are feeling?

    Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk

    Bill Ackman has said, as a part funder, he is happy.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,684
    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    Yes, I think Haley would probably win if selected.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    pm215 said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I'd have thought there's a reasonable chance that if Trump isn't running (and this is known early enough), Biden would pull out, and we'd have an open contest between two new candidates. Which would do the US a huge amount of good. The next generation of politicians must be feeling like Prince Charles.
    "Early enough" would have to be about six months ago, though. The window for Biden to pull out under any circumstances short of "major health issues" is long closed.
    Johnson withdrew in March 1968, after primaries had started.

    Admittedly, there were some fairly major events going on at the time.

    I also don't quite see Harris as Humphrey.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    malcolmg said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    First.

    FAO @Benpointer

    PB Predictions Comp 2024.


    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 7%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 16/01/2025

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 140 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £100bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 50

    Thank you @Benpointer

    I last won a PB predictions comp in 2007.

    Almost forgot! Here’s mine:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 24/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 52 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 5.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 5.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £123.2bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 48

    @Benpointer - thank you for organising.

    A blend of pessimism and optimism in there.
    @Benpointer

    Mine , apologies for late entry

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 8%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 31/10/24

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 60 seats

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.5%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £114bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 52
    Go on then.
    1. 10%
    2. Oct 31st
    3. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage
    4. Lab majority - 40 seats
    5. Trump and Biden
    6. Biden
    7. 3%
    8. 4%
    9. £180bn
    10. 40
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Apologies for double post.
    @Benpointer

    Go on then.
    1. 10%
    2. Oct 31st
    3. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage
    4. Lab majority - 40 seats
    5. Trump and Biden
    6. Biden
    7. 3%
    8. 4%
    9. £180bn
    10. 40

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    Andy_JS said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    Yes, I think Haley would probably win if selected.
    So, for the Republican establishment, there's a potentially successful plan, there. They just need some intelligence and a bit of courage.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    Yes, I think Haley would probably win if selected.
    So, for the Republican establishment, there's a potentially successful plan, there. They just need some intelligence and a bit of courage.
    I have spotted two flaws in your plan...
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    Taz said:

    Fidelity says Twitter's value has dropped to $12.5B . That's ~71% decrease in value from what Musky Baby paid for it.

    I wonder how the people who funded the purchase are feeling?

    Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk

    Bill Ackman has said, as a part funder, he is happy.
    The only links I can find are that his Sparc investment fund might - potentially - be interested in buying Twitter. In which case, a decline in share value might be in his interests. Did he invest in the takeover from the beginning?
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    pm215pm215 Posts: 936
    ydoethur said:

    pm215 said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I'd have thought there's a reasonable chance that if Trump isn't running (and this is known early enough), Biden would pull out, and we'd have an open contest between two new candidates. Which would do the US a huge amount of good. The next generation of politicians must be feeling like Prince Charles.
    "Early enough" would have to be about six months ago, though. The window for Biden to pull out under any circumstances short of "major health issues" is long closed.
    Johnson withdrew in March 1968, after primaries had started.

    Admittedly, there were some fairly major events going on at the time.

    I also don't quite see Harris as Humphrey.
    1968 also predated the modern presidential primary system, I think, so it's not an entirely equivalent situation.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,290
    Rumours that astronomers have found “bio signatures” indicating non human life on an exoplanet

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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,290
    I’m having that as my number 11 “black swan” in my @Benpointer quiz which I am otherwise ignoring as I don’t give a fuck about interest rates

    11. Astronomers announce evidence of life emanating from another planet
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    pm215 said:

    ydoethur said:

    pm215 said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I'd have thought there's a reasonable chance that if Trump isn't running (and this is known early enough), Biden would pull out, and we'd have an open contest between two new candidates. Which would do the US a huge amount of good. The next generation of politicians must be feeling like Prince Charles.
    "Early enough" would have to be about six months ago, though. The window for Biden to pull out under any circumstances short of "major health issues" is long closed.
    Johnson withdrew in March 1968, after primaries had started.

    Admittedly, there were some fairly major events going on at the time.

    I also don't quite see Harris as Humphrey.
    1968 also predated the modern presidential primary system, I think, so it's not an entirely equivalent situation.
    It was the last cycle where the process wasn't binding (partly because of the chaos caused by Johnson's withdrawal and Kennedy's assassination) so yes, you are right. But it could still be cited as a precedent if Biden wanted a get out.

    To be honest, though, I think the major thing we're all missing is Biden gives every sign of *wanting* to remain President. I suppose he could hardly make a show of reluctance but he's been absolutely steadfast in saying he would run again and has made no attempt to groom a possible replacement (including Harris). I thought in 2016 he'd be happy with ridding the country of Trump and serve just one term, but it certainly hasn't worked out that way.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    Leon said:

    Rumours that astronomers have found “bio signatures” indicating non human life on an exoplanet

    Almost inevitable; IMV there is certain to be life elsewhere, and we're getting better at detecting exoplanet atmospheres, and at understanding what possible life markers might be. But there's orders of magnitude of complexity between 'life' (which might just be bacteria) and aliens buzzing drunken folks in the Midwest.

    The research now needs validating. As was seen with the Phosphine on Venus research four or five years ago, claims are very different from evidence.

    (The Venus example was quite funny. It was announced that Phosphine had been detected in meaningful quantities in its atmosphere. Mistakes were found in the research that reduced the quantity, but still to meaningful amounts. Many papers were then published arguing against the original research. And the latest is... yes, there is Phosphine in Venus's atmosphere. It's almost as if the wrong person/group discovered it...)
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,250
    Good News on Teesside. Ben Houchen International Airport has a plan! They cancelled HS2 to free up money to allow him to do a studing "into whether a[n eastern Tees crossing] tunnel is feasible.

    It took him 45 minutes to drive from Redcar to Hartlepool. With his new tunnel, the trip would take "2-3 minutes". Lets assume the new road tunnel follows a direct line between the two - entirely out to sea. Its 7.3 miles. In "2-3 minutes"

    He's such a wazzock

    https://twitter.com/BenHouchen/status/1742821254552248368
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    Incidentally, there's been some discussion on here about 'sore loser laws' and their possible impact on a spoiler run if Trump fails in the primaries.

    I know @SeaShantyIrish2 takes the view they wouldn't be a problem for him, and he knows more about the US system than I do. However, there are other voices that disagree:

    https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/how-state-sore-loser-laws-make-it-7105505/

    The summary of that article is that in 28 states the authors consider it would be impossible for a losing candidate in the primaries to mount an independent campaign.

    What's also interesting is that most of these states are actually Republican, which suggests even if Trump lost and ran where he could, it wouldn't necessarily hamper a Republican by splitting the vote in red states.

    I think it's moot though. At this moment the only way he's not the candidate is if he's tossed from the ballot by the Supreme Court or in jail.

    The first is the proverbial snowflake's chance in hell, and the second is possible but especially given the procedural games his attorneys are playing, not notably likely before the Republican National Convention in July.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    Leon said:

    Rumours that astronomers have found “bio signatures” indicating non human life on an exoplanet

    How did Donald Trump get to an exoplanet?

    And could he possibly now stay there?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    Mine's based on the historic precedent that presidents tend to get a second term and despite Biden not being particularly historically popular neither is Trump. Biden's popularity being below 40% is a bit of a concern though so I'm more like 55-45 rather than 100% certain.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,983
    edited January 4

    Good News on Teesside. Ben Houchen International Airport has a plan! They cancelled HS2 to free up money to allow him to do a studing "into whether a[n eastern Tees crossing] tunnel is feasible.

    It took him 45 minutes to drive from Redcar to Hartlepool. With his new tunnel, the trip would take "2-3 minutes". Lets assume the new road tunnel follows a direct line between the two - entirely out to sea. Its 7.3 miles. In "2-3 minutes"

    He's such a wazzock

    https://twitter.com/BenHouchen/status/1742821254552248368

    At least it has a vague purpose unlike his plans for a new railway station at the airport (still a 15 minute walk from the terminal) or the station for Teesside park (on the wrong side of the A66 and 0.75miles from the actual shops).

    The irony is that he won’t get it because it doesn’t make economic sense but if we were Norway it would have been built years ago

    Got to say everything I’m seeing tells me he is not expecting to be re-elected because the things he is promising can’t be delivered
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,290

    Leon said:

    Rumours that astronomers have found “bio signatures” indicating non human life on an exoplanet

    Almost inevitable; IMV there is certain to be life elsewhere, and we're getting better at detecting exoplanet atmospheres, and at understanding what possible life markers might be. But there's orders of magnitude of complexity between 'life' (which might just be bacteria) and aliens buzzing drunken folks in the Midwest.

    The research now needs validating. As was seen with the Phosphine on Venus research four or five years ago, claims are very different from evidence.

    (The Venus example was quite funny. It was announced that Phosphine had been detected in meaningful quantities in its atmosphere. Mistakes were found in the research that reduced the quantity, but still to meaningful amounts. Many papers were then published arguing against the original research. And the latest is... yes, there is Phosphine in Venus's atmosphere. It's almost as if the wrong person/group discovered it...)
    Fair

    It will, nonetheless, be a profound moment. The moment when we can say “we are not alone” - even if our only neighbours are a small colony of brainless airborne Protozoa
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    The markets still think there's a significant chance that Biden won't be nominee. He's 1.38 to win Dem nomination, a 72% chance.

    I think they're wrong on that. The primaries start in a few weeks... he's surely left it too late to drop out.





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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    What were the odds that with 300 million Americans to choose between they selected the
    son of an ex-President, and very nearly selected the ex-wife of another in the last few years without any mentioning nepotism. And I don't mean Mrs Obama.

    What's wrong with choosing the prettiest one this time? Odds against but she has got form.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    Mine's based on the historic precedent that presidents tend to get a second term and despite Biden not being particularly historically popular neither is Trump. Biden's popularity being below 40% is a bit of a concern though so I'm more like 55-45 rather than 100% certain.
    Donald Trump has lost the popular vote twice, while in office fantasised about using nuclear weapons against North Korea, Iran and hurricanes, advised his supporters to drink bleach and take sheep worming tablets as a treatment for Covid, and has spent much of the last three years explaining why he shouldn't be held responsible for attempting to rig an election or the botched coup on 6th January which left several people dead. He's also been found guilty of fraud and various sexual crimes and about to lose much of his money.

    My view he can't win is based on the idea that support for him is expressed as typical mid-term irritation with a sitting president and is not likely to translate to the ballot box.

    It's worth remembering candidates he endorsed did very badly in the 2022 midterms, which should have been straightforward for the Republicans to win easily, and the comparatively few that did win have since spent most of their time attacking their own party.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,289
    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    The markets still think there's a significant chance that Biden won't be nominee. He's 1.38 to win Dem nomination, a 72% chance.

    I think they're wrong on that. The primaries start in a few weeks... he's surely left it too late to drop out.





    There's still the actuarial 5%
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Can I become the first person to say definitely that I won't enter?

    With apologies to @Northern_Al and his book, but generally my predictions are wrong.

    I just hope I'm not wrong about the orangutan.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Rumours that astronomers have found “bio signatures” indicating non human life on an exoplanet

    Almost inevitable; IMV there is certain to be life elsewhere, and we're getting better at detecting exoplanet atmospheres, and at understanding what possible life markers might be. But there's orders of magnitude of complexity between 'life' (which might just be bacteria) and aliens buzzing drunken folks in the Midwest.

    The research now needs validating. As was seen with the Phosphine on Venus research four or five years ago, claims are very different from evidence.

    (The Venus example was quite funny. It was announced that Phosphine had been detected in meaningful quantities in its atmosphere. Mistakes were found in the research that reduced the quantity, but still to meaningful amounts. Many papers were then published arguing against the original research. And the latest is... yes, there is Phosphine in Venus's atmosphere. It's almost as if the wrong person/group discovered it...)
    Fair

    It will, nonetheless, be a profound moment. The moment when we can say “we are not alone” - even if our only neighbours are a small colony of brainless airborne Protozoa
    I'm 100% confident there is life elsewhere and 0% confident that we will ever make contact with human-level (or greater) intelligent life.

    That's an evidence-free hunch.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,290
    Becky Smethurst is a serious UK astrophysicist. Check the video


    “#UFOx #UFOtwitter #UAP #NHI

    @drbecky_ 🙏

    Another astrophysicist prediction.

    Becky Smethurst -

    A new scientific paper in 2024 - on a biosignature in an exoplanet.

    Source: youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3ZJj…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Sme…

    https://x.com/wow36932525/status/1741955861633724852?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    Mine's based on the historic precedent that presidents tend to get a second term and despite Biden not being particularly historically popular neither is Trump. Biden's popularity being below 40% is a bit of a concern though so I'm more like 55-45 rather than 100% certain.
    Interesting historical fact:

    Only two Democratic presidential incumbents have been defeated seeking re-election since the Civil War.

    One was Grover Cleveland, who was the first (and so far only) President to be elected to non-consecutive terms.

    The other was Jimmy Carter.

    It is fair to note that there haven't been that many Dems as president since 1860 and Lyndon Johnson served only one and a bit terms. But Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Clinton and Obama were all re-elected.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    In my case, yes. As I previously posted, if Trump doesn't get the GOP nomination some combination of him standing as a independent, Trump write-ins and/or MAGA abstentions, will surely scupper Haley.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Rumours that astronomers have found “bio signatures” indicating non human life on an exoplanet

    Almost inevitable; IMV there is certain to be life elsewhere, and we're getting better at detecting exoplanet atmospheres, and at understanding what possible life markers might be. But there's orders of magnitude of complexity between 'life' (which might just be bacteria) and aliens buzzing drunken folks in the Midwest.

    The research now needs validating. As was seen with the Phosphine on Venus research four or five years ago, claims are very different from evidence.

    (The Venus example was quite funny. It was announced that Phosphine had been detected in meaningful quantities in its atmosphere. Mistakes were found in the research that reduced the quantity, but still to meaningful amounts. Many papers were then published arguing against the original research. And the latest is... yes, there is Phosphine in Venus's atmosphere. It's almost as if the wrong person/group discovered it...)
    Fair

    It will, nonetheless, be a profound moment. The moment when we can say “we are not alone” - even if our only neighbours are a small colony of brainless airborne Protozoa
    The problem is, as the Phosphine example shows, it won't be a 'moment'. It'll be a long, and perhaps heated, argument between scientists. IMV we've already found indications of life on another planet - Venus (see above). But we won't know for sure for many, many years.

    Finding bio-signatures on an exoplanet is also cool for a different reason: there is a chance that a common 'seed' seeded life on both Earth and Venus - or that meteorites spread life between the two (panspermia). That's much less likely between planets in different solar systems.

    And being pedantic: we know of lots of 'non-human' life. Cats, for instance. Or dogs. Or grass. Or amoeba. the 'non-human' part of your post was unnecessary. :)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    On topic, combined odds of 70% for Biden or Trump is nuts. Both are buys, IMO.

    Trump's age will not become an issue - partly because he's four years younger than his opponent and partly because if it might, it would have already.

    I'd also disagree that there's a long way to go. It's only two months to Super Tuesday, by when almost half the convention delegates will have been elected (in fact, more than half will have been by the following week's contests). Trump has absolutely commanding leads in the national polling and the early state polling, and as at the Q3 filings, had raised twice as much finance as any other candidate and had three times as much on hand (granted, this is three months ago but it's unlikely to have changed to his disadvantage given how the rest are squabbling among themselves).

    Yes, legal and health problems could yet stop him. So could a spectacularly good result for someone else - though I struggle to see why one would come about unless there's a major change in circumstances. But the clock is ticking.

    On the other side, better than 2-1 for an unchallenged, incumbent president is just silly. He has his challenges but that's way too long.
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    GF2GF2 Posts: 11
    Apologies for late entry:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 12%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 26th September

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 180

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Haley

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.75%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £108bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 67
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    Mine's based on the historic precedent that presidents tend to get a second term and despite Biden not being particularly historically popular neither is Trump. Biden's popularity being below 40% is a bit of a concern though so I'm more like 55-45 rather than 100% certain.
    I think neither will win but I do think Biden is a better bet at current prices than Trump.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,290
    At the same time this video of astronaut Tim Peake came out today

    “Tim Peake became the first British astronaut to ever visit the International Space Station. He now shares his thoughts on extraterrestrial life. “

    https://www.cnbcafrica.com/2024/do-aliens-exist/


    There was another similar “disclosure” on the Jools Holland show on NYE. Of all places

    Sounds to me like they know. The JWST has found conclusive evidence of exoplanetary life, they are waiting for it to be peer reviewed, it will be revealed this year
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    Leon said:

    Becky Smethurst is a serious UK astrophysicist. Check the video


    “#UFOx #UFOtwitter #UAP #NHI

    @drbecky_ 🙏

    Another astrophysicist prediction.

    Becky Smethurst -

    A new scientific paper in 2024 - on a biosignature in an exoplanet.

    Source: youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3ZJj…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Sme…

    https://x.com/wow36932525/status/1741955861633724852?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yeah. I watch many of her videos. She's a very good explainer, and an expert in Black Holes. But a prediction is very different from an announcement...
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    If there is life elsewhere, I can see problems with communication. After sending off an invite to a welcome party, the RSVP might take a couple of billion years to arrive.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,290

    Leon said:

    Becky Smethurst is a serious UK astrophysicist. Check the video


    “#UFOx #UFOtwitter #UAP #NHI

    @drbecky_ 🙏

    Another astrophysicist prediction.

    Becky Smethurst -

    A new scientific paper in 2024 - on a biosignature in an exoplanet.

    Source: youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3ZJj…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Sme…

    https://x.com/wow36932525/status/1741955861633724852?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yeah. I watch many of her videos. She's a very good explainer, and an expert in Black Holes. But a prediction is very different from an announcement...
    (1) ESA astronaut Tim Peake is now the third space scientist/expert in the past few days, all in the UK, to hint that the Webb telescope may have found a potential biosignature in the atmosphere of an exoplanet. NOT the previous K2-18 b? h/t @DaiDdraig 🤔

    https://x.com/paulsanderson/status/1742750156343349510?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    Looks really quite likely to me
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,632

    Good News on Teesside. Ben Houchen International Airport has a plan! They cancelled HS2 to free up money to allow him to do a studing "into whether a[n eastern Tees crossing] tunnel is feasible.

    It took him 45 minutes to drive from Redcar to Hartlepool. With his new tunnel, the trip would take "2-3 minutes". Lets assume the new road tunnel follows a direct line between the two - entirely out to sea. Its 7.3 miles. In "2-3 minutes"

    He's such a wazzock

    https://twitter.com/BenHouchen/status/1742821254552248368

    He wants to waste a load of money on Teesside Airport railway station. A station that is a long walk from an airport than hardly anyone uses. Even when all the trains stopped there, and there were a lot more flights, hardly anyone used the station.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    ydoethur said:

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Can I become the first person to say definitely that I won't enter?

    With apologies to @Northern_Al and his book, but generally my predictions are wrong.

    I just hope I'm not wrong about the orangutan.
    I was the first person to say I wasn’t going to enter as I wanted to give other people a chance to win.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4643740/#Comment_4643740
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,801
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Becky Smethurst is a serious UK astrophysicist. Check the video


    “#UFOx #UFOtwitter #UAP #NHI

    @drbecky_ 🙏

    Another astrophysicist prediction.

    Becky Smethurst -

    A new scientific paper in 2024 - on a biosignature in an exoplanet.

    Source: youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3ZJj…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Sme…

    https://x.com/wow36932525/status/1741955861633724852?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yeah. I watch many of her videos. She's a very good explainer, and an expert in Black Holes. But a prediction is very different from an announcement...
    (1) ESA astronaut Tim Peake is now the third space scientist/expert in the past few days, all in the UK, to hint that the Webb telescope may have found a potential biosignature in the atmosphere of an exoplanet. NOT the previous K2-18 b? h/t @DaiDdraig 🤔

    https://x.com/paulsanderson/status/1742750156343349510?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    Looks really quite likely to me
    Hmm. Mr Peake is an engineer by trade not a biologist or geochemist.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    rkrkrk said:

    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    The markets still think there's a significant chance that Biden won't be nominee. He's 1.38 to win Dem nomination, a 72% chance.

    I think they're wrong on that. The primaries start in a few weeks... he's surely left it too late to drop out.
    For me whether Biden is the DEM candidate is linked to whether Trump is the GOP candidate. If Trump isn't on the ballot in November I don't think Biden will be.

    Laying the both of them is a very decent trade imo.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    That lot sums through to 64%, so if you take the remainder as simply not voting it means Hamas would get ~ 64% in an election. That sounds about right to me, I think Bibi would probably win a snap poll too now.
    The same poll with DKs removed is:

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Hamas (Islamist): 68% (+25)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 25% (-21)
    PNI (Centre-left): 4% (+1)
    PFLP (Left): 1% (-2)

    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    As with most polls the assumption that DK/DNV voters will break the same as other voters is a questionable one.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    It may well be. If so, they need to think harder.

    Or not, as mug punters are always welcome to the rest of us.

    Of course, Haley might lose to Biden without a Trump candidacy at the general election. If he is denied the nomination, he won't take it lying down (unless dead), and his rantings would no doubt be directed as much (or more) at her than Biden.

    But those who think Trump may run as an independent need to answer three questions:

    1. What causes Trump to lose the GOP nomination from such an overwhelming position now?
    2. If he is defeated outright in the primaries or at the convention, why should he garner any meaningful support in the general when his base must, by definition, have already abandoned him?
    3. What is the precise process and timeline by which this happens, given filing deadlines and sore-loser rules?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Lowest temps in Finland for 18 years. -42 last night.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287
    Building on the comment about Democratic incumbents defeated, here's a list of the Republican incumbents defeated in the post-Civil War era:

    Harrison
    Taft (the second and, to date, the last president to finish behind his predecessor in the electoral college)
    Hoover
    Ford (harsh)
    George H. Bush
    Trump

    Not including Hayes (honoured a pledge to serve one term only) and Arthur (dropped at the Convention).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited January 4
    CD13 said:

    If there is life elsewhere, I can see problems with communication. After sending off an invite to a welcome party, the RSVP might take a couple of billion years to arrive.

    We're still fairly early into the stelliferous era so as a (relatively...) advanced species we're probably a little early. It's likely there will be future advanced civilisations but humanity will be long gone; and they'll be too far away to find any trace of us.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    CD13 said:

    If there is life elsewhere, I can see problems with communication. After sending off an invite to a welcome party, the RSVP might take a couple of billion years to arrive.

    It's not quite that bad. AIUI to detect atmospheres you need the planet to be (relatively) close - the further away it is, the harder it is to detect, aside from flukes like gravitational lensing. And the nearer it is, the better the data and conclusions. Therefore I'd expect such a planet to be within 30-40 Light Years - that's next door, cosmically speaking. And there are dozens of confirmed exoplanets within that distance, including Proxima Centauri b, which is a little over 4 Light Years away.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri_b

    (BTW, I want my gravitational lensing telescope. It uses the Sun as the lens. There's only a few minor engineering issues to get through first...)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,287

    ydoethur said:

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Can I become the first person to say definitely that I won't enter?

    With apologies to @Northern_Al and his book, but generally my predictions are wrong.

    I just hope I'm not wrong about the orangutan.
    I was the first person to say I wasn’t going to enter as I wanted to give other people a chance to win.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4643740/#Comment_4643740
    Bugger. Can't even get a post diction right :frowning:
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394

    On topic, combined odds of 70% for Biden or Trump is nuts. Both are buys, IMO.

    Trump's age will not become an issue - partly because he's four years younger than his opponent and partly because if it might, it would have already.

    I'd also disagree that there's a long way to go. It's only two months to Super Tuesday, by when almost half the convention delegates will have been elected (in fact, more than half will have been by the following week's contests). Trump has absolutely commanding leads in the national polling and the early state polling, and as at the Q3 filings, had raised twice as much finance as any other candidate and had three times as much on hand (granted, this is three months ago but it's unlikely to have changed to his disadvantage given how the rest are squabbling among themselves).

    Yes, legal and health problems could yet stop him. So could a spectacularly good result for someone else - though I struggle to see why one would come about unless there's a major change in circumstances. But the clock is ticking.

    On the other side, better than 2-1 for an unchallenged, incumbent president is just silly. He has his challenges but that's way too long.

    I expect Biden's price to be overlong virtually all the way.

    It's driven by concerns about his health, not the primary process.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    It may well be. If so, they need to think harder.

    Or not, as mug punters are always welcome to the rest of us.

    Of course, Haley might lose to Biden without a Trump candidacy at the general election. If he is denied the nomination, he won't take it lying down (unless dead), and his rantings would no doubt be directed as much (or more) at her than Biden.

    But those who think Trump may run as an independent need to answer three questions:

    1. What causes Trump to lose the GOP nomination from such an overwhelming position now?
    2. If he is defeated outright in the primaries or at the convention, why should he garner any meaningful support in the general when his base must, by definition, have already abandoned him?
    3. What is the precise process and timeline by which this happens, given filing deadlines and sore-loser rules?
    But you miss the point that he doesn't even need to run to take votes from Haley - write-ins and abstentions.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    It may well be. If so, they need to think harder.

    Or not, as mug punters are always welcome to the rest of us.

    Of course, Haley might lose to Biden without a Trump candidacy at the general election. If he is denied the nomination, he won't take it lying down (unless dead), and his rantings would no doubt be directed as much (or more) at her than Biden.

    But those who think Trump may run as an independent need to answer three questions:

    1. What causes Trump to lose the GOP nomination from such an overwhelming position now?
    2. If he is defeated outright in the primaries or at the convention, why should he garner any meaningful support in the general when his base must, by definition, have already abandoned him?
    3. What is the precise process and timeline by which this happens, given filing deadlines and sore-loser rules?
    Trump could be prevented from being on the ballot because he was an insurrectionist.

    If so, he can't be President - even as an independent. But his ego might LOVE the idea of a massive write-in campaign, just to let The Swamp know what they think. So 10% of votes write in Trump as President - enough to give Biden a resounding EC win.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    That lot sums through to 64%, so if you take the remainder as simply not voting it means Hamas would get ~ 64% in an election. That sounds about right to me, I think Bibi would probably win a snap poll too now.
    The same poll with DKs removed is:

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Hamas (Islamist): 68% (+25)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 25% (-21)
    PNI (Centre-left): 4% (+1)
    PFLP (Left): 1% (-2)

    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    As with most polls the assumption that DK/DNV voters will break the same as other voters is a questionable one.
    I just assume they won't vote.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687

    ydoethur said:

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Can I become the first person to say definitely that I won't enter?

    With apologies to @Northern_Al and his book, but generally my predictions are wrong.

    I just hope I'm not wrong about the orangutan.
    I was the first person to say I wasn’t going to enter as I wanted to give other people a chance to win.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4643740/#Comment_4643740
    I entered and I'm sure I'm giving everyone else plenty of chance to win!
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,193

    Leon said:

    Becky Smethurst is a serious UK astrophysicist. Check the video


    “#UFOx #UFOtwitter #UAP #NHI

    @drbecky_ 🙏

    Another astrophysicist prediction.

    Becky Smethurst -

    A new scientific paper in 2024 - on a biosignature in an exoplanet.

    Source: youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3ZJj…

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Sme…

    https://x.com/wow36932525/status/1741955861633724852?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Yeah. I watch many of her videos. She's a very good explainer, and an expert in Black Holes. But a prediction is very different from an announcement...
    I’d agree. I watch her videos and enjoy them. She makes it very accessible and she is very smart. But a prediction is still only a guess.,even if an educated one.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,003
    kinabalu said:

    On Topic: Donald Trump is indeed the betting fav for WH24 yet few of the PBers who entered Ben Pointer's tipping competition put him down as their winner. For every Trump there were 5 Bidens, I'd say. Why is this? Is it because people are conflating what they want to happen with what's likely to happen?

    I think it's something related to that but slightly different. People possessed of a moral compass and a modicum of judgement (which is most on here) view the return of Trump to the US presidency as something akin to a huge global natural disaster. This is what prevents them 'tipping' it. It feels wrong to go around tipping huge global natural disasters. It's the macro equivalent of tipping somebody's pet to die. If you feel these things you keep them to yourself.

    That's my theory. That's why I think our Comp entries have 5 Bidens for every Trump despite their current prices being 3.5 and 2.6 respectively.

    DJT needs (I think) to flip any three out of PA, NV, GA and WI. Seems do-able because they were all won on thin margins by Abu Hunter.

    I think quite a few people tip Biden because they are scared DJT will pull out of NATO and they don't want to think about the UK not cowering behind Superman's cape. He doesn't have the attention span to overcome the inertia and the people in his administration who will sabotage the project so nothing to worry about really...
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    I suppose that Haley is currently running as "not Trump", but might get exposed on the stump as little else.

    I have her quite green as next POTUS
    I think she’s the most likely candidate should Trump not get the nomination, which I think is 50/50 at the mo (IANAE etc.)

    If she was, I would suspect it simply comes down to more folk supporting Dems, and Trump’s absence removing the base-galvanising effect for the GOP. Tbh there’s a reasonable chance in this scenario the Dems run a different candidate but I have no clue who that would be. Either way I’d plump for a Dem win.

    There’s the Trump third candidate scenario as well, which is unlikely but not improbable.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,543
    edited January 4
    ydoethur said:

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Can I become the first person to say definitely that I won't enter?

    With apologies to @Northern_Al and his book, but generally my predictions are wrong.

    I just hope I'm not wrong about the orangutan.
    Such is your track record, you're more likely to win by not entering rather than entering.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,442

    CD13 said:

    If there is life elsewhere, I can see problems with communication. After sending off an invite to a welcome party, the RSVP might take a couple of billion years to arrive.

    It's not quite that bad. AIUI to detect atmospheres you need the planet to be (relatively) close - the further away it is, the harder it is to detect, aside from flukes like gravitational lensing. And the nearer it is, the better the data and conclusions. Therefore I'd expect such a planet to be within 30-40 Light Years - that's next door, cosmically speaking. And there are dozens of confirmed exoplanets within that distance, including Proxima Centauri b, which is a little over 4 Light Years away.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri_b

    (BTW, I want my gravitational lensing telescope. It uses the Sun as the lens. There's only a few minor engineering issues to get through first...)
    https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/tools/drake-equation-calculator.html

    Yes, the concept has problems, but the Drake Equation is of interest in focusing on what we need to find out. Since it was posited, we have much more information on extra solar planets, for example.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    GF2 said:

    Apologies for late entry:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 12%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 26th September

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 180

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Haley

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.75%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £108bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 67

    Yet another Haley prediction!

    I'll be interested to see what the 'hive mind' summary is on Saturday if @Benpointer is able to do a summation.

    I've bet on Haley as my long shot bet for GOP, but I am pretty sure it wont happen.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    It may well be. If so, they need to think harder.

    Or not, as mug punters are always welcome to the rest of us.

    Of course, Haley might lose to Biden without a Trump candidacy at the general election. If he is denied the nomination, he won't take it lying down (unless dead), and his rantings would no doubt be directed as much (or more) at her than Biden.

    But those who think Trump may run as an independent need to answer three questions:

    1. What causes Trump to lose the GOP nomination from such an overwhelming position now?
    2. If he is defeated outright in the primaries or at the convention, why should he garner any meaningful support in the general when his base must, by definition, have already abandoned him?
    3. What is the precise process and timeline by which this happens, given filing deadlines and sore-loser rules?
    Trump could be prevented from being on the ballot because he was an insurrectionist.

    If so, he can't be President - even as an independent. But his ego might LOVE the idea of a massive write-in campaign, just to let The Swamp know what they think. So 10% of votes write in Trump as President - enough to give Biden a resounding EC win.
    Insurrectionists can be president (and hold any other office), if Congress lifts the ban on them. It's a contingent rather than absolute bar.

    Now, that's not to say that he can't be denied ballot access depending on state law. The Colorado judgement looks sound from what I've read. But even if he is declared an insurrectionist by the SCOTUS - the odds on which has to be factored in - it will still depend on what each state says about whether that bans (or can ban) ballot access.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    ydoethur said:

    I am interested that so many people think Haley might get the Rep nomination yet still lose to Biden.

    Especially as Biden is not the strongest of candidates.

    Is that a sign they think Trump will try to enter the race anyway and split the Republican vote?

    It may well be. If so, they need to think harder.

    Or not, as mug punters are always welcome to the rest of us.

    Of course, Haley might lose to Biden without a Trump candidacy at the general election. If he is denied the nomination, he won't take it lying down (unless dead), and his rantings would no doubt be directed as much (or more) at her than Biden.

    But those who think Trump may run as an independent need to answer three questions:

    1. What causes Trump to lose the GOP nomination from such an overwhelming position now?
    2. If he is defeated outright in the primaries or at the convention, why should he garner any meaningful support in the general when his base must, by definition, have already abandoned him?
    3. What is the precise process and timeline by which this happens, given filing deadlines and sore-loser rules?
    But you miss the point that he doesn't even need to run to take votes from Haley - write-ins and abstentions.
    If he's lost the nomination to Haley, he must have lost control of the GOP and of his base - and we therefore need to ask why.

    Also, Biden didn't get the biggest popular vote in US history because he enthused so many tens of millions. He was the best stop-Trump candidate. I'd expect turnout on the blue side to also be down without such a galvanizing figure as Trump as an opponent.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,828

    ydoethur said:

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Can I become the first person to say definitely that I won't enter?

    With apologies to @Northern_Al and his book, but generally my predictions are wrong.

    I just hope I'm not wrong about the orangutan.
    I was the first person to say I wasn’t going to enter as I wanted to give other people a chance to win.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4643740/#Comment_4643740
    I entered and I'm sure I'm giving everyone else plenty of chance to win!
    I was the first person to say I wasn’t going to enter as I wanted to give other people a chance to lose badly. 'Tis only sporting.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035

    Good News on Teesside. Ben Houchen International Airport has a plan! They cancelled HS2 to free up money to allow him to do a studing "into whether a[n eastern Tees crossing] tunnel is feasible.

    It took him 45 minutes to drive from Redcar to Hartlepool. With his new tunnel, the trip would take "2-3 minutes". Lets assume the new road tunnel follows a direct line between the two - entirely out to sea. Its 7.3 miles. In "2-3 minutes"

    He's such a wazzock

    https://twitter.com/BenHouchen/status/1742821254552248368

    I think you're being slightly unfair there. It'd be perfectly feasible to have a route that goes from the A1085 to the west of Redcar, then a tunnel under the estuary towards Seaton Carew. The tunnelled section would be under 2 miles long. And as for the time, he'd be talking about the tunnel section. Or something further upstream.

    As ever, the question is one of demand: how much demand would there be for such a link? I doubt Redcar and Hartlepool generate enough traffic between them for a direct link.

    There seems to have been a study before:
    https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/transport-study-eastern-river-crossing-16555048
    And more info on previous ideas here:
    https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/newport-bridge-become-one-way-12735825

    Looking at a map, I'd think an updated crossing nearer the transporter bridge would make more sense; but a study would discern traffic flows.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:


    It's hard to know how accurate a poll can be under current circumstances, but does look a strong swing to Hamas since September.

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Party support

    Hamas (Islamist): 41% (+19)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 17% (-9)
    Independent nationalist (*): 6% (+2)
    PIJ (Islamist): 2% (-1)


    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    https://twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1742722158500147679?t=1fbwEtyo2bLbrvPHNeXGbA&s=19

    That lot sums through to 64%, so if you take the remainder as simply not voting it means Hamas would get ~ 64% in an election. That sounds about right to me, I think Bibi would probably win a snap poll too now.
    The same poll with DKs removed is:

    Palestine, PCPSR poll:

    Hamas (Islamist): 68% (+25)
    Fatah (Centre-left): 25% (-21)
    PNI (Centre-left): 4% (+1)
    PFLP (Left): 1% (-2)

    +/- vs. Sep 2023

    Fieldwork: 22 Nov-2 Dec 2023
    Size: 1,232

    As with most polls the assumption that DK/DNV voters will break the same as other voters is a questionable one.
    I just assume they won't vote.
    Yes, that has been the default approach over the years, and not an unreasonable one, as discussed in my header:

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/12/02/sweet-swingbacks-baadasssss-song/

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035

    CD13 said:

    If there is life elsewhere, I can see problems with communication. After sending off an invite to a welcome party, the RSVP might take a couple of billion years to arrive.

    It's not quite that bad. AIUI to detect atmospheres you need the planet to be (relatively) close - the further away it is, the harder it is to detect, aside from flukes like gravitational lensing. And the nearer it is, the better the data and conclusions. Therefore I'd expect such a planet to be within 30-40 Light Years - that's next door, cosmically speaking. And there are dozens of confirmed exoplanets within that distance, including Proxima Centauri b, which is a little over 4 Light Years away.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri_b

    (BTW, I want my gravitational lensing telescope. It uses the Sun as the lens. There's only a few minor engineering issues to get through first...)
    https://www.spacecentre.nz/resources/tools/drake-equation-calculator.html

    Yes, the concept has problems, but the Drake Equation is of interest in focusing on what we need to find out. Since it was posited, we have much more information on extra solar planets, for example.
    Yep, some parts of the equation are being firmed up. But others - the later ones in the equation - are still exceptionally nebulous.

    When I started looking into this in the early 1990s, many were saying that there could not possibly be any exoplanets - that our solar system was, for some reason, unique. Within a few years they were proved wrong. I expect the pessimists for the other parts of the equation to be proved wrong. Except perhaps for fc and L...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Blimey a rush of PB Prediction Competition entries this morning now up to 59 entries.

    There's still time for to enter before the end of Saturday. I'll aim to publish a reminder and a list of all the entries I have recorded, on Saturday.

    Thanks all!

    Could you post the questions pls? I missed them the first time around, thanks!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    edited January 4

    GF2 said:

    Apologies for late entry:

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 12%

    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 26th September

    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Tice

    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour majority 180

    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Haley & Biden

    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Haley

    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.75%

    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 3.9%

    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £108bn

    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 67

    Yet another Haley prediction!

    I'll be interested to see what the 'hive mind' summary is on Saturday if @Benpointer is able to do a summation.

    I've bet on Haley as my long shot bet for GOP, but I am pretty sure it wont happen.
    I gamed my predictions away from the consensus in order to cover unoccupied ground. Lab 10 short of a majority for instance. I actually think a safe Lab majority more likely of around 100.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Some Idle Predictions

    1. The smallest Labour lead with a BPC registered pollster in Q1 2024. 10%
    2. Date of the next UK General Election. 10th October
    3. Party leaders of Con, Lab, LD, SNP, and Reform when the GE is called. Sunak, Starmer, Davey, Yousaf, Farage
    4. UK General Election outcome: winning party + majority (±10%). Labour largest Party (around 10 short)
    5. 2024 US Presidential Election: nominees for the GOP and Dems. Trump & Biden
    6. 2024 US Presidential Election: winner. Biden
    7. UK base rate on 31 December 2024. 4.5%
    8. UK CPI figure for November 2024 (Nov 2023 = 4.2%). 4.5%
    9. UK borrowing in the financial year-to-November 2024 (Year to Nov 2023 = £116.4bn). £120bn
    10. GB total medal haul at the 2024 Olympics ( 2020/21 = 64). 40
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,003
    It'll be fascinating to see what stunts DJT pulls if the polls are close as we get to polling day. Two things that could be possible are moving to a stridently anti-vax position and promising a pardon for the J6 shaheeds. Both of those would go down well with his base.


    “How low do you have to stoop in this country to be President?”
    ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72
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