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Expect a lot of bishop bashing from the Tories – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,160
edited January 1 in General
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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,800
    edited December 2023
    Can't see anyone getting their knickers in a twist over this. The days of us worrying about "turbulent priests" are long gone.

    Oh, and first?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    An interesting move from the King.

    I wonder if it's a sign Welby is considering retirement in the near future? I know he's said he would go on to 70 but he's had rather a lot on his plate since his sabbatical.

    Would be some fun betting opportunities on the replacement. Graham Usher would surely start as favourite but that would seriously annoy the evangelical wing of the church.
  • Also: is Leon actually Boris Johnson?
  • DavidL said:

    Can't see anyone getting their knickers in a twist over this. The days of us worrying about "turbulent priests" are long gone.

    Oh, and first?

    Sensible Tories wouldn't get annoyed by this. After all, don't retired archbishops generally get a seat in the Lords anyway?

    The catch is the phrase "sensible Tories". Still, we've been spared a "Fr Calvin for archbishop" campaign by GB News, so there's that small mercy.

    Th other complication for the next AbOfC is that the nomination panel will be a lot more global than in the past;

    https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/global-anglican-communion-given-voice-choice-future-archbishops-canterbury
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    DavidL said:

    Can't see anyone getting their knickers in a twist over this. The days of us worrying about "turbulent priests" are long gone.

    Oh, and first?

    Sensible Tories wouldn't get annoyed by this. After all, don't retired archbishops generally get a seat in the Lords anyway?

    The catch is the phrase "sensible Tories". Still, we've been spared a "Fr Calvin for archbishop" campaign by GB News, so there's that small mercy.

    Th other complication for the next AbOfC is that the nomination panel will be a lot more global than in the past;

    https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/global-anglican-communion-given-voice-choice-future-archbishops-canterbury
    Calvin was asked, but apparently de Kleined.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    So now apparently only those who are Tory lickspittles are allowed a knighthood . The DM really is pathetic .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    Incidentally, just to round off the Trumpjob saga from the last thread, here's a really funny story (albeit with rather tragic implications) about him, from one of the newspapers that actually supports him:

    https://nypost.com/2023/12/19/news/its-me-don-post-reporter-falsely-tagged-as-judge-engorons-son-at-trumps-fraud-trial/

    Literally, he and his supporters are making any shit up they can to disrupt legal processes.

    (And, of course, they're doing the same with Joe and Hunter Biden.)

    Such people really are dangerous.
  • The Daily Mail constantly whispers fury and betrayal into the welcoming ears of GBNews presenters, radio talkshow hosts and a certain type of Tory MP. So there’s going to be some kind of reaction. No-one with even the semblance of a properly functioning brain will care, though. All this headline really tells us is they’re saving the next Starmer defended the devil story for when the Christmas break is over!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    The Daily Mail constantly whispers fury and betrayal into the welcoming ears of GBNews presenters, radio talkshow hosts and a certain type of Tory MP. So there’s going to be some kind of reaction. No-one with even the semblance of a properly functioning brain will care, though. All this headline really tells us is they’re saving the next Starmer defended the devil story for when the Christmas break is over!

    I don't think he's ever defended Johnson. Quite the contrary.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    edited December 2023

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    Could be misdirection to conceal the fact we're actually being run by Zoo#on aliens from the planet Tharg.

    https://youtu.be/r0LoLdjGy9o?si=djU2TSTNZdluJVa1

    Would that explain the Case?
  • Another worthless bauble dished out to a privileged and wealthy son of establishment figures. What's the point of it all?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    edited December 2023

    Another worthless bauble dished out to a privileged and wealthy son of establishment figures. What's the point of it all?

    Also striking that a mere knighthood is seen as something worth having. If you are the Archbish Cantuar then it's not even as valuable as a Blue Peter badge. In fact even if you *aren't* Cantuar++ it's worth less than a Blue Peter badge - considerably more costly to gain (especially if you use one of those consultancies on how to gain an honour) and far less revealing of character than a Blue Peter badge gained in early life.

    PS In precedence, AIUI, the Archbish ranks much, much higher than a mere Kt. So he'd be accepting demotion. Rather like a former Colonel acting as Corporal in the Local Defence Volunteers.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    edited December 2023

    The Daily Mail constantly whispers fury and betrayal into the welcoming ears of GBNews presenters, radio talkshow hosts and a certain type of Tory MP. So there’s going to be some kind of reaction. No-one with even the semblance of a properly functioning brain will care, though. All this headline really tells us is they’re saving the next Starmer defended the devil story for when the Christmas break is over!

    The Mail must have gone into overdrive when that well-known lefty lawyer Starmer retired as DPP, and was, as usual, knighted.

    Although, of course, TFS3 is quite right!

    Mis typed & corrected.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    TSE has this entirely wrong. Look at the first batch of comments below. That's where the bile is coming from.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,645
    DavidL said:

    Can't see anyone getting their knickers in a twist over this. The days of us worrying about "turbulent priests" are long gone.

    Oh, and first?

    It's another opportunity for Sunak to lose core Conservative voters after cancelling HS2, proposing a motorway through the Home Counties, not stopping the boats and chopping down that sycamore in Northumberland.

    So he's likely to do it.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    edited December 2023
    The Mail, like most of the right wing press, and increasingly the right wing across the board, is declining into bitter irrelevance.
    It is slightly ironic to watch those who claim to be conservative coming out with ever more radical, even revolutionary, sentiments. After so many years of a bull in a china shop, the country craves responsible competence. The fulmination of the radical right merely underlines how far they now are from the mainstream
    So, congratulations to His Grace, and confusion to his enemies.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    TSE has this entirely wrong. Look at the first batch of comments below. That's where the bile is coming from.

    I'm a bit taken aback at that slur on @DavidL , @OnlyLivingBoy @rcs1000 and my good self.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    ydoethur said:

    An interesting move from the King.

    I wonder if it's a sign Welby is considering retirement in the near future? I know he's said he would go on to 70 but he's had rather a lot on his plate since his sabbatical.

    Would be some fun betting opportunities on the replacement. Graham Usher would surely start as favourite but that would seriously annoy the evangelical wing of the church.

    Just about anyone would be better than Welby
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    The Daily Mail constantly whispers fury and betrayal into the welcoming ears of GBNews presenters, radio talkshow hosts and a certain type of Tory MP. So there’s going to be some kind of reaction. No-one with even the semblance of a properly functioning brain will care, though. All this headline really tells us is they’re saving the next Starmer defended the devil story for when the Christmas break is over!

    The Mail must have gone into overdrive when that well-known lefty lawyer Starmer retired as DPP, and was, as usual, knighted.

    Although, of course, TFS3 is quite right!

    Mis typed & corrected.

    Well, it is the run-up to Christmas. Baubles is topical.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Will his successor be a Buddhist homeopath?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    EPG said:

    Will his successor be a Buddhist homeopath?

    Water suggestion.
  • ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    The Daily Mail constantly whispers fury and betrayal into the welcoming ears of GBNews presenters, radio talkshow hosts and a certain type of Tory MP. So there’s going to be some kind of reaction. No-one with even the semblance of a properly functioning brain will care, though. All this headline really tells us is they’re saving the next Starmer defended the devil story for when the Christmas break is over!

    The Mail must have gone into overdrive when that well-known lefty lawyer Starmer retired as DPP, and was, as usual, knighted.

    Although, of course, TFS3 is quite right!

    Mis typed & corrected.
    If we had signatures on PB, 'Mis-typed & corrected' would be in mine. I seem to do it more times than not.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited December 2023
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    The latest headlines on Michelle Mone this morning may be making many Conservatives sweat,

    I hear on the grapevine that there is a lot more to come out concerning several others in the network of a leading lately ennobled Baroness, including serving MPs, and that Michelle Mone may be only the most egregious example of flagrant and likely illegal profiteering by Tories during the pandemic.

    The ennui, even despair, of the Tory Party at this point may not just be the normal swing of politics, but that there is actually so much more to emerge.

    It may be safer for Sunak NOT to hang on, and take the shellacking now, because if this starts coming out before the election, then the Tories really could be facing an ELE.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782

    TSE has this entirely wrong. Look at the first batch of comments below. That's where the bile is coming from.

    I'm utterly confused. Can you point out this bile in the first few posts. I can't see anything.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    Aisle stop if you do.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    Aisle stop if you do.
    Good, because this is getting positively pew nitive.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Cicero said:

    The latest headlines on Michelle Mone this morning may be making many Conservatives sweat,

    I hear on the grapevine that there is a lot more to come out concerning several others in the network of a leading lately ennobled Baroness, including serving MPs, and that Michelle Mone may be only the most egregious example of flagrant and likely illegal profiteering by Tories during the pandemic.

    The ennui, even despair, of the Tory Party at this point may not just be the normal swing of politics, but that there is actually so much more to emerge.

    It may be safer for Sunak NOT to hang on, and take the shellacking now, because if this starts coming out before the election, then the Tories really could be facing an ELE.

    Quite startling that even the DM has decided that she's not after all the shining light of modern Toryism and Unionism. Mind, they still get to print as many photos of underdressed ladies as before, so it's all good for them.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12895233/How-lying-Baroness-Bra-used-attack-dog-lawyers-try-silence-free-Press-deceit-prove-downfall.html

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    Aisle stop if you do.
    Good, because this is getting positively pew nitive.
    I saw what you did there - You nave sir!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    Aisle stop if you do.
    Good, because this is getting positively pew nitive.
    I saw what you did there - You nave sir!
    If we've got to knaves, can we Jack it in?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    There does seem to be a large surplice this morning.
  • Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been seen at King's Cross railway station purchasing seasonal treats, which were reportedly for key workers.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1738225381361258873
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    There does seem to be a large surplice this morning.
    I'm hoping it will now choir tone down.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been seen at King's Cross railway station purchasing seasonal treats, which were reportedly for key workers.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1738225381361258873

    He'd have been giving them a better present by changing his mind on HS2.
  • Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been seen at King's Cross railway station purchasing seasonal treats, which were reportedly for key workers.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1738225381361258873

    Rishi should have walked across to St Pancras which has Fortnum & Mason inter alia. Mind you, it's been rammed this week.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    There does seem to be a large surplice this morning.
    I'm hoping it will now choir tone down.
    Or else we won´t be able to cope? But surely it will soon pall?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    Cicero said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally, I'm not sure but does anyone get the feeling there's an attempt at a subtle pun in the headline?

    Not at all. It's just your dirty mind - TSE would never dare to perpetrate anything so obscene, being the clean-living site controller that he is.
    Well, I mitre misunderstood.
    I suppose, admittedly, that punning at an ungodly hour of the morning is canonical for PB.
    Just trying to rectorfy the omission.
    The problem with a pun addiction- it's very hard to cure it.
    And then people end up incensed.
    No one can hold a candle to you, Dr. Pun.

    It gets on my wick how fast you are but for today I shall simply wax lyrical about your word-smithing.
    These ecclesiastical puns are definitely getting a bit much, perhaps we should altar the subject.
    There does seem to be a large surplice this morning.
    I'm hoping it will now choir tone down.
    Or else we won´t be able to cope? But surely it will soon pall?
    Oi! You've stolen one of my options.
  • Dickens, with orgies: why Eyes Wide Shut is the ultimate adults-only Christmas film
    Stanley Kubrick’s chilly psychodrama – an erotic, dream-like Christmas Carol – is fast becoming part of the festive canon. Quite right too

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/eyes-wide-shut-christmas-kubrick-tom-cruise-nicole-kidman/ (£££)

    Or if you prefer more traditional Yuletide films, Die Hard is on Channel 4 tonight, while SkyMax has The Unofficial Science of Die Hard.
  • Taking it back to politics, it does seem likely that the next Parliament will be significantly de-conned.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,367

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365

    Dickens, with orgies: why Eyes Wide Shut is the ultimate adults-only Christmas film
    Stanley Kubrick’s chilly psychodrama – an erotic, dream-like Christmas Carol – is fast becoming part of the festive canon. Quite right too

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/eyes-wide-shut-christmas-kubrick-tom-cruise-nicole-kidman/ (£££)

    Or if you prefer more traditional Yuletide films, Die Hard is on Channel 4 tonight, while SkyMax has The Unofficial Science of Die Hard.

    Incoming from @TSE in 3...2...1...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    Morning all :)

    Before I tackle the final part of the Christmas shopping odyssey, the final two polls (presumably) of 2023 from Techne and We Think warrant a mention.

    Techne has a 20-point Labour lead (43-23) having started the year with a 21-point Labour advantage (46-25) so not much movement in 12 months (both the LDs and Reform up slightly as the two larger parties have drifted back).

    We Think ends the year with a 14-point Labour lead (41-27) and its lowest Labour vote share since November 2021 which may be an outlier but there's plenty of evidence Labour has slipped back from the mid-40s to the low-40s in the past few weeks with that loss being widely spread to other parties. Compared with the first Omnisis of 2023, Labour are down eight with the LDs up two and Reform up five and the Conservatives unchanged.

    In terms of the Lab/LD/Green vs Con/Ref split (a shade false as we know barely a third of Reform voters would support the Conservatives in the absence of a Reform candidate) Techne has 61-33 and We Think 59-36 so not a massive difference - the Dec 2019 equivalent was 48-47 so the swing ranging from 11.5-14% at this stage.

    Prediction for 2024 - more polls, lots more polls....
  • Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been seen at King's Cross railway station purchasing seasonal treats, which were reportedly for key workers.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1738225381361258873

    Rishi clearly doesn't know how many key workers there are in this country!

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,897
    Cicero said:

    The latest headlines on Michelle Mone this morning may be making many Conservatives sweat,

    I hear on the grapevine that there is a lot more to come out concerning several others in the network of a leading lately ennobled Baroness, including serving MPs, and that Michelle Mone may be only the most egregious example of flagrant and likely illegal profiteering by Tories during the pandemic.

    The ennui, even despair, of the Tory Party at this point may not just be the normal swing of politics, but that there is actually so much more to emerge.

    It may be safer for Sunak NOT to hang on, and take the shellacking now, because if this starts coming out before the election, then the Tories really could be facing an ELE.

    "Stop The Boat"

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/the-new-european-michelle-mone-suing/
  • On-topic for Stinking Bishop

    Hard cheese: Canada rejects British attempt to secure tariff-free exports
    Many UK cheese makers could face 245% duty from 1 January, making exporting unaffordable

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/23/hard-cheese-canada-rejects-british-attempt-to-secure-tariff-free-exports

    Blessed are the cheesemakers.
  • I think the King should knight the baby-eating Bishop of Bath & Wells.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
  • eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
    Good old @Leon. We need him back. There are too many stuck-up Puritan self-righteous worthies on here. What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist dating hot young women.
  • On-topic for Stinking Bishop

    Hard cheese: Canada rejects British attempt to secure tariff-free exports
    Many UK cheese makers could face 245% duty from 1 January, making exporting unaffordable

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/23/hard-cheese-canada-rejects-british-attempt-to-secure-tariff-free-exports

    Blessed are the cheesemakers.

    Trudeau is usually quite happy letting anyone in so I wonder what happened with the cheese makers
  • Roger said:

    Cicero said:

    The latest headlines on Michelle Mone this morning may be making many Conservatives sweat,

    I hear on the grapevine that there is a lot more to come out concerning several others in the network of a leading lately ennobled Baroness, including serving MPs, and that Michelle Mone may be only the most egregious example of flagrant and likely illegal profiteering by Tories during the pandemic.

    The ennui, even despair, of the Tory Party at this point may not just be the normal swing of politics, but that there is actually so much more to emerge.

    It may be safer for Sunak NOT to hang on, and take the shellacking now, because if this starts coming out before the election, then the Tories really could be facing an ELE.

    "Stop The Boat"

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/the-new-european-michelle-mone-suing/
    The New European is still going?
  • Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been seen at King's Cross railway station purchasing seasonal treats, which were reportedly for key workers.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1738225381361258873

    Rishi clearly doesn't know how many key workers there are in this country!

    Was he using one of the self-service check out tills? That would have been a sight .
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    The drift in polling towards tier-2 parties reminds me of 2009/10. I don’t remember anything similar in 1997: the Lib Dems made gains in the election but lost share, and the referendum party barely registered.

    So it’s not an inevitable feature of change elections. I wonder if it’s more a feature of the conditions at the end of 2022 that made the public unusually focused on the two main parties: the top issues were the economy, inflation and Ukraine. All tending to focus the mind on the likely two options for government.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,567

    eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
    Good old @Leon. We need him back. There are too many stuck-up Puritan self-righteous worthies on here. What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist dating hot young women.
    I'll correct that for you:

    "What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist paying hot young women."
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    I've just had some advice to retrain as a computer engineer by somebody who was listening to my practice for tomorrow.

    Apparently my Bach is worse than my byte.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,365
    edited December 2023

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    Stop wining about it.

    And have a good morning.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009

    On-topic for Stinking Bishop

    Hard cheese: Canada rejects British attempt to secure tariff-free exports
    Many UK cheese makers could face 245% duty from 1 January, making exporting unaffordable

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/23/hard-cheese-canada-rejects-british-attempt-to-secure-tariff-free-exports

    Blessed are the cheesemakers.

    Trudeau is usually quite happy letting anyone in so I wonder what happened with the cheese makers
    Jesus said, “Blessed are the cheesemakers, because they will be called sons of God” (Matt. 5:9).
  • eekeek Posts: 28,367
    ydoethur said:

    I've just had some advice to retrain as a computer engineer by somebody who was listening to my practice for tomorrow.

    Apparently my Bach is worse than my byte.


    ...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    TimS said:

    The drift in polling towards tier-2 parties reminds me of 2009/10. I don’t remember anything similar in 1997: the Lib Dems made gains in the election but lost share, and the referendum party barely registered.

    So it’s not an inevitable feature of change elections. I wonder if it’s more a feature of the conditions at the end of 2022 that made the public unusually focused on the two main parties: the top issues were the economy, inflation and Ukraine. All tending to focus the mind on the likely two options for government.

    I'm loath to try to pattern match with past by-elections (the same is true of weather charts by the way). Each election is a unique set of circumstances. The big news from 2023 is not how much has changed but how little. Labour remains well ahead with leads of around 15 points (though that varies) though it's clear, and I imagine primarily because of the stance on Gaza, the Labour VI has slipped back towards the low 40s from the mid-40s.

    The Conservatives remain becalmed in the mid-20s - every time there's a little local difficulty, they slip a bit but when it's business as usual, they pull back so my advice to Sunak would be to say nothing and do nothing.

    The LDs are now in double figures - basically 10-12% with Reform just under 10% though we've yet to see the latter vote tested at a parliamentary or even local by-election and what evidence we do have is the vote is a chimera.

    There's a sense of minds made up, I think, and where we've seen Conservative mid-term troughs before they've usually turned by now. There's no underestimating the mountain Labour still has to climb to win a majority and the evidence of the local elections is there will be areas where the Conservative vote proves more resilient and others where it will collapse.

    I'm also still to see any coherent reason for voting Conservative - there seems no thinking as to what the Conservative Government of 2024-29 would look like or do or try to achieve. On that basis alone, there's a sense of marking time until the election is called and the exercise then becomes damage limitation or sauve qui peut if you prefer.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,897
    Carnyx said:

    Cicero said:

    The latest headlines on Michelle Mone this morning may be making many Conservatives sweat,

    I hear on the grapevine that there is a lot more to come out concerning several others in the network of a leading lately ennobled Baroness, including serving MPs, and that Michelle Mone may be only the most egregious example of flagrant and likely illegal profiteering by Tories during the pandemic.

    The ennui, even despair, of the Tory Party at this point may not just be the normal swing of politics, but that there is actually so much more to emerge.

    It may be safer for Sunak NOT to hang on, and take the shellacking now, because if this starts coming out before the election, then the Tories really could be facing an ELE.

    Quite startling that even the DM has decided that she's not after all the shining light of modern Toryism and Unionism. Mind, they still get to print as many photos of underdressed ladies as before, so it's all good for them.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12895233/How-lying-Baroness-Bra-used-attack-dog-lawyers-try-silence-free-Press-deceit-prove-downfall.html

    ..........You've missed one....

    https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/lingerie-tycoon-british-politician-selling-15-million-french-riviera-estate-68048
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    Stop wining about it.

    And have a good morning.
    Would it not be simpler to change the topic into something else, Shirley?
  • Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    Nothing wrong with that. Hope you had some time for Euripides and Sophocles
  • On-topic for Stinking Bishop

    Hard cheese: Canada rejects British attempt to secure tariff-free exports
    Many UK cheese makers could face 245% duty from 1 January, making exporting unaffordable

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/23/hard-cheese-canada-rejects-british-attempt-to-secure-tariff-free-exports

    Blessed are the cheesemakers.

    Trudeau is usually quite happy letting anyone in so I wonder what happened with the cheese makers
    Jesus said, “Blessed are the cheesemakers, because they will be called sons of God” (Matt. 5:9).
    Amen
  • Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    I remember Socrates fondly from the 82 World Cup, but who did Plato play for?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    Off topic, but betting.

    Horse Racing tips unleashed from the PB Restroom 🐎

    ASCOT - 1.50 Cap Du Mathan
    ASCOT - 2.25 Red Risk
    ASCOT - 3.00 Blackjack Magic
    ASCOT - 3.35 Hansard

    Enjoy your holidays 🥰
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    edited December 2023

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    I remember Socrates fondly from the 82 World Cup, but who did Plato play for?
    Greece - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philosophers'_Football_Match

    Edit: not very memorable contribution, though.
  • Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    It's a complaint with substance, and an unfortunate accident on our part.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
    Good old @Leon. We need him back. There are too many stuck-up Puritan self-righteous worthies on here. What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist dating hot young women.
    If you’re not a hot young woman, what’s in it for you ?




    And if you are, what’s in it for you ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    Another worthless bauble dished out to a privileged and wealthy son of establishment figures. What's the point of it all?

    got to keep reminding the great unwashed of their superiority
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,872
    edited December 2023
    Rory on the problem with British politics in 35 seconds
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5SWjEspsvDM

    ETA spoiler: if targets are pie in the sky, there is no point striving to meet them.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574
    Via twitter, for context:

    "Archbishop Lang was created a GCVO after the 1937 coronation and Archbishop Fisher was made one after the 1953 coronation.

    Archbishop Temple received the higher ranking Royal Victorian Chain for the 1902 coronation."

    So perhaps it's just tradition, not some grand statement.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
    Good old @Leon. We need him back. There are too many stuck-up Puritan self-righteous worthies on here. What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist dating hot young women.
    If you’re not a hot young woman, what’s in it for you ?




    And if you are, what’s in it for you ?
    On topic, sort of as it’s in the header. “Do Aliens exist - here’s everything I know as a former PM.”

    I’ve read this, now my mums put the paper down, and do I trust what he is saying or is he just making it up, or wouldn’t this be covered by some sort of official secrets act ongoing after office?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    Nothing wrong with that. Hope you had some time for Euripides and Sophocles
    Euripedes trousers, you pay for them.
  • Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
    Good old @Leon. We need him back. There are too many stuck-up Puritan self-righteous worthies on here. What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist dating hot young women.
    If you’re not a hot young woman, what’s in it for you ?




    And if you are, what’s in it for you ?
    On topic, sort of as it’s in the header. “Do Aliens exist - here’s everything I know as a former PM.”

    I’ve read this, now my mums put the paper down, and do I trust what he is saying or is he just making it up, or wouldn’t this be covered by some sort of official secrets act ongoing after office?
    It's Boris.

    Of course you can't trust what he is saying.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    I remember Socrates fondly from the 82 World Cup, but who did Plato play for?
    I don't know, but Plato was downgraded from a philosopher to a dwarf philosopher by the IAU in 2006, and therefore cannot compete because too short to reach the ball.
  • carnforth said:

    Via twitter, for context:

    "Archbishop Lang was created a GCVO after the 1937 coronation and Archbishop Fisher was made one after the 1953 coronation.

    Archbishop Temple received the higher ranking Royal Victorian Chain for the 1902 coronation."

    So perhaps it's just tradition, not some grand statement.

    A grander statement would be not handing out worthless trinkets to entitled establishment tossers just for doing their jobs.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    Off topic, but betting.

    Horse Racing tips unleashed from the PB Restroom 🐎

    ASCOT - 1.50 Cap Du Mathan
    ASCOT - 2.25 Red Risk
    ASCOT - 3.00 Blackjack Magic
    ASCOT - 3.35 Hansard

    Enjoy your holidays 🥰

    Thanks for the like DecrepitJohn, but don’t you usually say “Red Risk 28-1 - are you a serious tipster?”

    Blueking D'Oroux who has looked unstoppable over hurdles the two races I have been on it, however has never raced 3 miles in its life, whilst Botox Has beat Red Risk over the distance a few weeks ago, but only by 1l, Red Risk a battler was right there.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    viewcode said:

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    I remember Socrates fondly from the 82 World Cup, but who did Plato play for?
    I don't know, but Plato was downgraded from a philosopher to a dwarf philosopher by the IAU in 2006, and therefore cannot compete because too short to reach the ball.
    Have Plato and Sunak been seen in the same room?

    Anyone who’s read The Republic begins to wonder….
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    boulay said:

    Good morning. I have to say that I am disappointed that nobody has managed to incorporate transubstantiation into a religion based pun.

    My eldest daughter loved the word antidisestablishmentarianism, when she was small.
    Didn't we all?
    I did - but I had a slightly unusual upbringing. Way too much Plato & Socrates at a young age, for instance.
    I remember Socrates fondly from the 82 World Cup, but who did Plato play for?
    I can’t remember who she played for but she was definitely on the right wing.
    Then went way, way offside.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242

    carnforth said:

    Via twitter, for context:

    "Archbishop Lang was created a GCVO after the 1937 coronation and Archbishop Fisher was made one after the 1953 coronation.

    Archbishop Temple received the higher ranking Royal Victorian Chain for the 1902 coronation."

    So perhaps it's just tradition, not some grand statement.

    A grander statement would be not handing out worthless trinkets to entitled establishment tossers just for doing their jobs.
    It’s marginally better than giving them a Royal Monopoly on the Importation of Sweet Wines.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125
    edited December 2023

    carnforth said:

    Via twitter, for context:

    "Archbishop Lang was created a GCVO after the 1937 coronation and Archbishop Fisher was made one after the 1953 coronation.

    Archbishop Temple received the higher ranking Royal Victorian Chain for the 1902 coronation."

    So perhaps it's just tradition, not some grand statement.

    A grander statement would be not handing out worthless trinkets to entitled establishment tossers just for doing their jobs.
    To be brutally honest, I find this sort of attitude petty-minded and self-defeating. Leadership roles are hard even without the media intrusion, and public service is something worth celebrating.

    I disagree with a good chunk of what Welby has said/done, especially during Covid, but think he more than deserves a a knighthood
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    edited December 2023
    carnforth said:

    Via twitter, for context:

    "Archbishop Lang was created a GCVO after the 1937 coronation and Archbishop Fisher was made one after the 1953 coronation.

    Archbishop Temple received the higher ranking Royal Victorian Chain for the 1902 coronation."

    So perhaps it's just tradition, not some grand statement.

    Sure, but it's still like awarding a Field Marshal a corporalcy of horse as an extra bonus.

    On that logic, anyway, judges ought still to be wearing black squares and executing innocent people. Tradition.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    An interesting move from the King.

    I wonder if it's a sign Welby is considering retirement in the near future? I know he's said he would go on to 70 but he's had rather a lot on his plate since his sabbatical.

    Would be some fun betting opportunities on the replacement. Graham Usher would surely start as favourite but that would seriously annoy the evangelical wing of the church.

    Maybe it's time to look beyond the traditional base of Church of England Archbishops?

    Is there not the opportunity to hire somebody who has made a real success with another religion?
    You have to maintain the balance between those who believe in God and those who do not.
    Good God!! Are you suggesting that we allow believers in God into the higher levels of the Church?! Let alone a *balance* between them and believers in vague niceness, weak tea and steam trains?

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Oh, and to save everyone the trouble,

    there is no evidence whatsoever that is available to the British government to suggest that alien life forms have ever existed

    Though that could be because the evidence was on WhatsApp.

    So it's Aliens who are responsible for the disappearing messages - makes sense..
    Woke Trans Illegal Alien AIs. Who also stole @Leon
    Good old @Leon. We need him back. There are too many stuck-up Puritan self-righteous worthies on here. What we need is a drugged up flint knapping specialist dating hot young women.
    If you’re not a hot young woman, what’s in it for you ?




    And if you are, what’s in it for you ?
    On topic, sort of as it’s in the header. “Do Aliens exist - here’s everything I know as a former PM.”

    I’ve read this, now my mums put the paper down, and do I trust what he is saying or is he just making it up, or wouldn’t this be covered by some sort of official secrets act ongoing after office?
    It's Boris.

    Of course you can't trust what he is saying.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12894247/Boris-Johnson-questions-asked-former-prime-minister.html

    He certainly is missing the No 10 hairdresser. Not his usual neat self in the video.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,242
    Carnyx said:

    carnforth said:

    Via twitter, for context:

    "Archbishop Lang was created a GCVO after the 1937 coronation and Archbishop Fisher was made one after the 1953 coronation.

    Archbishop Temple received the higher ranking Royal Victorian Chain for the 1902 coronation."

    So perhaps it's just tradition, not some grand statement.

    Sure, but it's still like awarding a Field Marshal a corporalcy of horse as an extra bonus.

    On that logic, anyway, judges ought still to be wearing black squares and executing innocent people. Tradition.
    Indeed. Whole place has gone to Hell since Palmerston. Pshaw!
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