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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,183
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,396
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mortimer said:

    Nigelb said:

    Absolute disgrace.
    This is just delaying the substantive decision.

    Here’s the order from #SCOTUS denying cert. before judgment in the Trump immunity case.

    All this does is kick things back to the D.C. Circuit, which is already set to hear argument on January 9—and will likely rule soon thereafter.

    Then, we go back to the Supreme Court…

    https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1738282088468746365

    They’ve previously granted certiorari on far flimsier grounds.


    Frankly, the way that American politics is going seems pretty poor from this side of the Atlantic. Why not just try and beat Trump, rather than fuel his own narrative....
    They are not trying to 'fuel his (Trump's) narrative.' They are pursuing him for very serious criminal acts that he has committed, and which he has said he shouldn't be pursued for because he's Donald Trump and therefore above the law.

    These crimes include fraud, electoral fraud and incitement to riot.

    People saying 'oh you shouldn't pursue him because politics' are missing the point entirely. He's not pursued for his political beliefs, mad and bad though they are, but BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING CRIMINAL.

    The irony is it's the Republicans that are pursuing vexatious cases against Biden while claiming victimisation because they're being pursued for the actual crimes they have committed. Just as, in 2020, it was the Republicans who engaged in widespread electoral fraud and then tried to claim the Democrats must have cheated because they still lost.
    Remind me, which part of the vexatious Biden investigations are we at?

    We have had "It's Russian disinformation" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "It's not Hunter Biden's laptop" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never knew about Hunter's business dealings with China" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never spoke to Hunter about his business dealings" - that has gone by the wayside.
    We have had "Joe never conducted business with Hunter" - that is now being rode back.

    Put simply, if there was nothing there, this would have been put to bed months ago. The fact the story is still going and arguably growing suggests there might be a possibility more has to come out.
    None of that is true. And unless you are as stupid as you come across, a circumstance of which it is hard to conceive, you know it. It is fantasy invented by the lunatics of the far right. As you swallow them, you are either a Nazi or an imbecile (or both of course).

    Just as your claims Trump's legal difficulties were dying down were untrue. And you knew it. Or your claims about January 6th were untrue. And you knew it.

    But if your brain prefers lies to truth, violence to democracy, and vexation to due process of law don't let me stop you. Just be aware you come across as an apologist for criminals and traitors.
    And you haven't even covered the raft of classified material Trump removed to his bathroom and if reports are correct shared with unauthorised people he had no business sharing state secrets with.
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,131
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    He's not going to be jailed or even convicted ahead of the election, once again people hoping events would take care of him for them will be disappointed.

    The US Supreme Court has declined, for now, to decide whether former president Donald Trump has immunity from prosecution for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election.

    Mr Trump's efforts to delay his trial appears successful, as the case must now work through the appeals process.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67808655

    If that is the case, perhaps.
    But since this is an issue where such a decision with such an effect would be highly controversial , it’s curious that there is no written dissent to the refusal to grant certiorari.

    There is an alternate theory going around (which is at least possible) that they are allowing the appeals court (which will also hear on an accelerated schedule) to rule first, and are still prepared for a fairly rapid ruling against Trump.
    https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1738294542665736586

    We will see.

    My initial reaction was indeed that this is disgraceful delay by the court, but it is curious that there’s no dissent. In any case we’ll see fairly soon one way or the other.
    It’s not a delay. It’s just not an acceleration.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,169
    Andy_JS said:

    "Two arrests after XL bully mauls Chihuahua puppy to death in street
    The Chihuahua was taken to the vets where it was put to sleep and the XL bully was seized and remains in police kennels"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/xl-bully-attack-doncaster-chihuahua-b2468578.html

    So, XL Bullys are not all bad.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,091
    "Every Bias Explained in 8 Minutes": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbV1jN12RY
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    Good morning, everyone.

    Just saw a job ad ahead of a YouTube video. Not for a jobs website, but for robots.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,890

    Good morning, everyone.

    Just saw a job ad ahead of a YouTube video. Not for a jobs website, but for robots.

    Are robots watching videos now?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,487

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mortimer said:

    Nigelb said:

    Absolute disgrace.
    This is just delaying the substantive decision.

    Here’s the order from #SCOTUS denying cert. before judgment in the Trump immunity case.

    All this does is kick things back to the D.C. Circuit, which is already set to hear argument on January 9—and will likely rule soon thereafter.

    Then, we go back to the Supreme Court…

    https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1738282088468746365

    They’ve previously granted certiorari on far flimsier grounds.


    Frankly, the way that American politics is going seems pretty poor from this side of the Atlantic. Why not just try and beat Trump, rather than fuel his own narrative....
    They are not trying to 'fuel his (Trump's) narrative.' They are pursuing him for very serious criminal acts that he has committed, and which he has said he shouldn't be pursued for because he's Donald Trump and therefore above the law.

    These crimes include fraud, electoral fraud and incitement to riot.

    People saying 'oh you shouldn't pursue him because politics' are missing the point entirely. He's not pursued for his political beliefs, mad and bad though they are, but BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING CRIMINAL.

    The irony is it's the Republicans that are pursuing vexatious cases against Biden while claiming victimisation because they're being pursued for the actual crimes they have committed. Just as, in 2020, it was the Republicans who engaged in widespread electoral fraud and then tried to claim the Democrats must have cheated because they still lost.
    Remind me, which part of the vexatious Biden investigations are we at?

    We have had "It's Russian disinformation" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "It's not Hunter Biden's laptop" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never knew about Hunter's business dealings with China" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never spoke to Hunter about his business dealings" - that has gone by the wayside.
    We have had "Joe never conducted business with Hunter" - that is now being rode back.

    Put simply, if there was nothing there, this would have been put to bed months ago. The fact the story is still going and arguably growing suggests there might be a possibility more has to come out.
    We’re at the there is still zero evidence that Joe Biden did anything wrong point.

    Like the rest of your persuasion, you conflate Hunter Biden with the President.
    We have had multiple points at which we have been told something that turns out to be not true. There is also evidence from witnesses, details of cash transactions etc

    That doesn’t mean Joe took money - the evidence for that is not there. But it does mean that it should be investigated.
    Bloody hell.

    Whatever they're paying you to troll, you're not worth it.

    Unless the first paragraph is finally an admission about your hero, of course.
    Somebody didn’t take their medication tonight :)
    Didn't you? I'm not surprised, but I suggest you remedy it.

    I agree, this isn't a good place for you to discuss US politics. You get shown up as a liar and a fool. Because we are all far too bright to be fooled by your trolling.
    Well, as Socrates said, "the most stupid people in the world are those who they know everything because they do not realise they know nothing". I think you are in danger of turning into one of those people.
    Says somebody who has been wrong on everything he’s written and clearly understands nothing about the law or legal processes.

    You may not be Russian but you’re definitely a troll. And you’re going to keep getting called out on your lies. If you can’t deal with that, don’t feel obliged to keep telling them.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,487
    kamski said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mortimer said:

    Nigelb said:

    Absolute disgrace.
    This is just delaying the substantive decision.

    Here’s the order from #SCOTUS denying cert. before judgment in the Trump immunity case.

    All this does is kick things back to the D.C. Circuit, which is already set to hear argument on January 9—and will likely rule soon thereafter.

    Then, we go back to the Supreme Court…

    https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1738282088468746365

    They’ve previously granted certiorari on far flimsier grounds.


    Frankly, the way that American politics is going seems pretty poor from this side of the Atlantic. Why not just try and beat Trump, rather than fuel his own narrative....
    They are not trying to 'fuel his (Trump's) narrative.' They are pursuing him for very serious criminal acts that he has committed, and which he has said he shouldn't be pursued for because he's Donald Trump and therefore above the law.

    These crimes include fraud, electoral fraud and incitement to riot.

    People saying 'oh you shouldn't pursue him because politics' are missing the point entirely. He's not pursued for his political beliefs, mad and bad though they are, but BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING CRIMINAL.

    The irony is it's the Republicans that are pursuing vexatious cases against Biden while claiming victimisation because they're being pursued for the actual crimes they have committed. Just as, in 2020, it was the Republicans who engaged in widespread electoral fraud and then tried to claim the Democrats must have cheated because they still lost.
    Remind me, which part of the vexatious Biden investigations are we at?

    We have had "It's Russian disinformation" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "It's not Hunter Biden's laptop" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never knew about Hunter's business dealings with China" - that has gone by the wayside
    We have had "Joe never spoke to Hunter about his business dealings" - that has gone by the wayside.
    We have had "Joe never conducted business with Hunter" - that is now being rode back.

    Put simply, if there was nothing there, this would have been put to bed months ago. The fact the story is still going and arguably growing suggests there might be a possibility more has to come out.
    None of that is true. And unless you are as stupid as you come across, a circumstance of which it is hard to conceive, you know it. It is fantasy invented by the lunatics of the far right. As you swallow them, you are either a Nazi or an imbecile (or both of course).

    Just as your claims Trump's legal difficulties were dying down were untrue. And you knew it. Or your claims about January 6th were untrue. And you knew it.

    But if your brain prefers lies to truth, violence to democracy, and vexation to due process of law don't let me stop you. Just be aware you come across as an apologist for criminals and traitors.
    In a nutshell, why PB.com is not the best place to discuss US politics.

    You say ‘none of that is true’ but it is all on the record what was denied and now what is being admitted. Truly remarkable.


    No it isn't. And you know it.

    In fact, the Republicans have been desperate to *stop* Hunter Biden getting on the record because they have less evidence on him than Trump has integrity. That's why they've tried to negate his plea deals and hurriedly abandoned ideas of a trial when he refused to let it be in camera (illegally).

    I know you hate the rule of law, but really.
    Wasn't Hunter Biden influence peddling when he got paid (was it?) 80k usd per month by Burisma?
    Maybe this isn't Joe Biden's fault, but I think it stinks and the Democrats shouldn't have considered him as a candidate. They need a candidate who shows an absolute contrast to the corruption of Trump.

    Of course it's a bit delusional to think that Joe Biden is as much of a gangster as Trump, but it's natural for those who are less sympathetic to his politics to think that way. We all do it to a certain extent - giving the benefit of the doubt to politicians we agree with, and assuming the worst of the ones we strongly disagree with.
    (1) Hunter Biden is not Joe Biden

    (2) Hunter Biden has done many things wrong and/or illegal. In fact he admits that himself. However, Republicans clearly don’t think they implicate Joe Biden as they are not following due process, instead trying to force through illegal procedures.

    (3) This is ironically the same approach they are taking with Trump, trying to deny due process to him because he is guilty.

    And there our friend’s logic (such as it is) breaks down entirely. Joe Biden must be prosecuted because his son has done bad stuff and Joe Biden is the President, Trump must not be prosecuted because he did enormous amounts of much worse stuff but that’s OK because he was the President and his supporters have hurt feelings.

    KC demonstrates the problems with the current Republican Party in one rather large and unsavoury nutshell. They don’t care about law or democracy. They care about power and mistreating their political opponents.
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    MJWMJW Posts: 1,398

    MJW - The majority of drug overdose deaths in the US are now from illegal drugs, most of them, as far as I can tell, from fentanyl. Typically, fentanyl precursors come in to Mexico from China, and are then converted to fentanyl by the drug cartels, which move them across the border into the US. Because the damn stuff is so potent, they don't have to move enormous quantities to make enormous profits.

    In principle, we might be able to work out an agreement with Mexico to block those imports, but, as far as I know, we haven't even tried to do so.

    (Note, please, the "now" in that first sentence.)

    Yup. I'm aware the major problem is synthetic opioids and fentanyl in particular in relation to deaths, rather than direct abuse of prescription drugs. But at the root of demand is the wide availability of opioids that both hooks people who then progress on to illegal drugs when they can no longer obtain legally, and creates a culture where self-medicating and recreational use of drugs this dangerous is less taboo. Studies show that most people's first exposure to these kind of drugs is via prescription.

    Which is why it's so worth the while to produce fentanyl in such quantities, there's huge demand despite its lethality - as there's an awful lot of people already dependent on opioids whose addiction means they'll take the risk of taking something that may contain it. It's sometimes even been made to look like prescription opioids to target those who got hooked that way. You're only solving it by changing the things that create that demand. Albeit it might be worth cracking down on fentanyl to push the pushers into satisfying it with something less lethal.

    All this is a reason why other countries don't have similar problems. Like here in the UK, traffickers have little difficulty in satisfying demand for cocaine - whose use has spread in recent years. But we haven't developed a an opioid problem on anything like the same scale, despite lots of social indicators going the wrong way, and fentanyl probably being easier to import for the reasons you say, because there's not this huge mechanism hooking people who otherwise wouldn't go near anything like fentanyl or heroin, in.
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