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SystemSystem Posts: 12,127
edited December 2023 in General
Next Sunak will announce water is wet – politicalbetting.com

?Rishi Sunak used his No10 lobby drinks speech to confirm that next year WILL be an election year

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    edited December 2023
    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    Second. No kudos for me.
  • I am still calling 2 May. Time to get on with it and get it done
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    I am still calling 2 May. Time to get on with it and get it done

    Yes, I think May 2. It only gets worse by delaying.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,920
    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?
  • Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,823
    edited December 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think there’s a separate registration process for overseas voters.


    https://www.gov.uk/voting-when-abroad
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,920
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think there’s a separate registration process for overseas voters.


    https://www.gov.uk/voting-when-abroad
    What defines overseas?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
  • I think May, it makes a lot more sense than October IMHO.

    But we do have to acknowledge that when faced with a decision Rishi usually chooses the less optimal route, so October remains possible.
  • Taz said:

    "Only an idiot would hold a general election in 2025 that would see the election campaign that would straddle the Christmas & New Year period."

    I'm surprised he's not considering it.

    Still plenty of time to arrive there after his trademark u-turn or two.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    Who are the Babylon 5?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    edited December 2023

    I think May, it makes a lot more sense than October IMHO.

    But we do have to acknowledge that when faced with a decision Rishi usually chooses the less optimal route, so October remains possible.

    On the less optimal route basis it’s going to be December next year…

    May 2nd is the sane choice so I suspect it won’t be that
  • Plan A clearly is 2nd May, for a whole stack of reasons.

    I don't expect much recovery in the polls by March so the temptation to delay would be there. But to what end?

    They must expect a kicking in the locals, so go beyond May and people really will punish those councillors up for reelection. And then there are less activists to campaign for the GE.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696
    edited December 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think you are meant to register purely because you are a UK citizen (as per https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote ). You can vote in the general election if you have been resident in the last 15 years (as per https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk/general-election ).
  • Sunak isn’t that much of an idiot.

    [Citation Needed]

    I think you're probably right, but Sunak keeps coming out with plans so cunning that even Baldrick would balk at them.
  • First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    Who are the Babylon 5?
    Liz Mitchell
    Marcia Barrett
    Maizie Williams
    Bobby Farrell
    Reggie Tsiboe

    Were the members of Boney M who sang Rivers of Babylon, though I think only 4 were bandmembers at the time.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think you should if you plan to vote Labour. If not, hmmm, I'm really not sure of the rules, maybe best to play it safe and assume you're not eligible.
  • Big up AverageNinja for the Mean Girls reference. Probably my favourite film of the last twenty years. Also honourable mention to TimS for introducing Slay - my 11yo daughter's favourite word - to PB. Perhaps this is the defining word of the SE London female year 6 demographic. I wonder if his daughter also worships Zendaya?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Omnium said:

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
    More this



    He’s the chap who enabled the heir to the empire of idiots his moment.
  • If it’s in May when does it all kick off?
  • Plan A clearly is 2nd May, for a whole stack of reasons.

    I don't expect much recovery in the polls by March so the temptation to delay would be there. But to what end?

    They must expect a kicking in the locals, so go beyond May and people really will punish those councillors up for reelection. And then there are less activists to campaign for the GE.

    In my recent experience, the willingness of Tory councillors to campaign for Tory parliamentary candidates is somewhat limited. And a fair number of the few who would campaign would do so Spring or Autumn, win or lose. I don't think it should be (or will be) a significant factor in CCHQ's thinking.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    Who are the Babylon 5?

    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    Who are the Babylon 5?
    "Ignorance, you see, can be outhought. Arrogance can be outmaneuvered. But ignorance and arrogance combined are unassailable."
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    Big up AverageNinja for the Mean Girls reference. Probably my favourite film of the last twenty years. Also honourable mention to TimS for introducing Slay - my 11yo daughter's favourite word - to PB. Perhaps this is the defining word of the SE London female year 6 demographic. I wonder if his daughter also worships Zendaya?

    I checked and she's never heard of Zendaya. But now she has. Clearly not as slay as your girl.
  • TimS said:

    Big up AverageNinja for the Mean Girls reference. Probably my favourite film of the last twenty years. Also honourable mention to TimS for introducing Slay - my 11yo daughter's favourite word - to PB. Perhaps this is the defining word of the SE London female year 6 demographic. I wonder if his daughter also worships Zendaya?

    I checked and she's never heard of Zendaya. But now she has. Clearly not as slay as your girl.
    Ha my girl is obsessed with her. She thinks that Tom Holland is punching well above his weight.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792
    Londo Mollari : Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.

    B5, "Ceremonies of Light and Dark", see https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517636/characters/nm0432867
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    Who are the Babylon 5?
    Free them now.
  • If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Hasn't it already?

    More seriously, there is a statutory 25 working day timetable for a General Election, day 0 being dissolution of Parliament, and day 25 election day. I believe that for 2nd May election, that would make dissolution day Friday, 22nd March (noting the two Easter bank holidays and May Day bank holiday).

    In practice, Sunak could pre-announce the dissolution on an earlier date - presumably linked to the Budget statement which would normally be early to mid March. He'd probably look for a long-ish campaign due to being behind in the polls.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    TimS said:

    Big up AverageNinja for the Mean Girls reference. Probably my favourite film of the last twenty years. Also honourable mention to TimS for introducing Slay - my 11yo daughter's favourite word - to PB. Perhaps this is the defining word of the SE London female year 6 demographic. I wonder if his daughter also worships Zendaya?

    I checked and she's never heard of Zendaya. But now she has. Clearly not as slay as your girl.
    Ha my girl is obsessed with her. She thinks that Tom Holland is punching well above his weight.
    Given his size, that's inevitable, though.
  • This business of the date of the general election reminds me of the "unexpected hanging" paradox.

    "A prisoner is told that he will be hanged on some day between Monday and Friday, but that he will not know on which day the hanging will occur before it happens. He cannot be hanged on Friday, because if he were still alive on Thursday, he would know that the hanging will occur on Friday, but he has been told he will not know the day of his hanging in advance. He cannot be hanged Thursday for the same reason, and the same argument shows that he cannot be hanged on any other day. Nevertheless, the executioner unexpectedly arrives on some day other than Friday, surprising the prisoner.
    "
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    edited December 2023

    If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Last week in March I think - Parliament has to be dissolved 25 working days before the election which I think is 28th March. Usually the announcement comes a few days before though.

    Edit: I didn’t count the bank holidays, so scratch that. Around the end of March, though!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Last week in March I think - Parliament has to be dissolved 25 working days before the election which I think is 28th March. Usually the announcement comes a few days before though.

    Edit: I didn’t count the bank holidays, so scratch that. Around the end of March, though!
    “The avalanche has begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.”
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Didn’t the security forces and civil service not want us to clash with the US election?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Compare Michelle Mone and her husband’s startup company, Medpro that had NEVER provided any PPE before and this chap’s established PPE company who employed 1600 people. She got £200 million after phoning Michael Gove. The government ignored him completely.
    https://twitter.com/squeezyjohn/status/1737052550912750070
  • viewcode said:

    Londo Mollari : Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.

    B5, "Ceremonies of Light and Dark", see https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517636/characters/nm0432867

    Kudos.

    I was once compared to Emperor Cartagia.
  • If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Hasn't it already?

    More seriously, there is a statutory 25 working day timetable for a General Election, day 0 being dissolution of Parliament, and day 25 election day. I believe that for 2nd May election, that would make dissolution day Friday, 22nd March (noting the two Easter bank holidays and May Day bank holiday).

    In practice, Sunak could pre-announce the dissolution on an earlier date - presumably linked to the Budget statement which would normally be early to mid March. He'd probably look for a long-ish campaign due to being behind in the polls.
    May Day bank holiday is after the local elections this year so you don't need to add an extra day in for that.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Hasn't it already?

    More seriously, there is a statutory 25 working day timetable for a General Election, day 0 being dissolution of Parliament, and day 25 election day. I believe that for 2nd May election, that would make dissolution day Friday, 22nd March (noting the two Easter bank holidays and May Day bank holiday).

    In practice, Sunak could pre-announce the dissolution on an earlier date - presumably linked to the Budget statement which would normally be early to mid March. He'd probably look for a long-ish campaign due to being behind in the polls.
    Which means the spring budget needs to be in early March, a couple of weeks earlier than normal. So look out for announcements from HMT of the date of the budget.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Nigelb said:
    With all claims about batteries, it’s about

    1) useful life
    2) energy density
    3) charging time
    4) discharge rate
    5) etc

    All at the same time. It is perfectly possible to produce staggering capabilities in a couple of them. At the expense of the others.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353
    edited December 2023

    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    you did repeat one sentence twice in succession so it sounded awful tautology - is this what Bony M is noted for?

    EDIT. Now see the answer. Sorry I was miles out. I’m not great on the Assyrian period.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    viewcode said:

    Londo Mollari : Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.

    B5, "Ceremonies of Light and Dark", see https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517636/characters/nm0432867

    Kudos.

    I was once compared to Emperor Cartagia.
    You should treat your advisors better. Formaldehyde doesn’t do the job.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    He thinks it's his spot ?

    Tucker Carlson says Haley as Trump VP would be reason ‘to oppose ticket’
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4367335-tucker-carlson-nikki-haley-donald-trump-vice-president-pick-reason-to-oppose-ticket-2024/
  • Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Didn’t the security forces and civil service not want us to clash with the US election?
    I've no idea but (1) it's got nothing to do with them, and (2) so what if they 'clash' - it's more an issue for the media than the security services.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792

    First person to spot the Babylon 5 reference earns kudos.

    Who are the Babylon 5?
    A highly-influential science-fiction series from 1993–1998. Influenced/popularised/invented the following
    • space battles involving large fleets of spaceships
    • space battles involving Newtonian physics
    • arc plots
    • computer-animation on a TV/cheap level
    • fan-creator interaction via the internet (copy of original site!)
    • the word "lurker" to describe people who look but not make comments
    The plot is outlined in the title sequence, and since the sequence changed each year, the intros constitute a summary. Here they are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vIVFgXaxsU

    The show lasted for five years and is generally agreed to have gone tits-up in year 5. Spin-offs and films eventuated, but none made the same impact.

    Some Internet idiot did some fanfic on what would have happened if it entered production in 1989 in Vancouver, not 1993 in Los Angeles

    Other people do fan reappraisals:

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    edited December 2023

    Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Didn’t the security forces and civil service not want us to clash with the US election?
    I've no idea but (1) it's got nothing to do with them, and (2) so what if they 'clash' - it's more an issue for the media than the security services.
    This discusses the security services concerns.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/10/22/is-this-the-best-way-to-deal-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165
    "@EuropeElects

    Germany: the Constitutional Court has ruled that the national parliament election in the Berlin region has to be repeated in 455/2,256 polling stations due to major irregularities in the voting process in 2021. The national parliament repeat election is scheduled for 11 February 2024.
    Previously, the election to the Berlin regional parliament was annulled by the regional Constitutional Court and had to be repeated on 12 February 2023."

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1737041993153307073
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720
    From a couple of threads ago: holidays to erupting volcanoes.

    I thought to myself "someone should run trips to active volcanoes around the world, they'd rake it in". Turns out someone does: http://www.volcanicexperiences.co.uk/

    However, they seem to have tours to places where volcanoes might not actually be erupting. We need something more dynamic and flexible - either places that are about to blow, or ongoing events.

    That's where this website comes in handy. https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/erupting_volcanoes.html
    I might plan something using this for an upcoming milestone birthday.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    TimS said:

    From a couple of threads ago: holidays to erupting volcanoes.

    I thought to myself "someone should run trips to active volcanoes around the world, they'd rake it in". Turns out someone does: http://www.volcanicexperiences.co.uk/

    However, they seem to have tours to places where volcanoes might not actually be erupting. We need something more dynamic and flexible - either places that are about to blow, or ongoing events.

    That's where this website comes in handy. https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/erupting_volcanoes.html
    I might plan something using this for an upcoming milestone birthday.

    Pumice stone rather than milestone ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    @TSE should appreciate that water is only wet under the Conservatives and that we should all be properly grateful.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,539
    TimS said:

    If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Hasn't it already?

    More seriously, there is a statutory 25 working day timetable for a General Election, day 0 being dissolution of Parliament, and day 25 election day. I believe that for 2nd May election, that would make dissolution day Friday, 22nd March (noting the two Easter bank holidays and May Day bank holiday).

    In practice, Sunak could pre-announce the dissolution on an earlier date - presumably linked to the Budget statement which would normally be early to mid March. He'd probably look for a long-ish campaign due to being behind in the polls.
    Which means the spring budget needs to be in early March, a couple of weeks earlier than normal. So look out for announcements from HMT of the date of the budget.
    Yes we will need a short Finance Bill to charge income tax from 6 April before parliament is dissolved.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353
    Nigelb said:

    Compare Michelle Mone and her husband’s startup company, Medpro that had NEVER provided any PPE before and this chap’s established PPE company who employed 1600 people. She got £200 million after phoning Michael Gove. The government ignored him completely.
    https://twitter.com/squeezyjohn/status/1737052550912750070

    Isn’t Gove denying he spoke to her and was involved in any way? That’s why he sounded so much like he was avoiding the straightforward yes or no I spoke to her when asked today isn’t it?
  • If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Hasn't it already?

    More seriously, there is a statutory 25 working day timetable for a General Election, day 0 being dissolution of Parliament, and day 25 election day. I believe that for 2nd May election, that would make dissolution day Friday, 22nd March (noting the two Easter bank holidays and May Day bank holiday).

    In practice, Sunak could pre-announce the dissolution on an earlier date - presumably linked to the Budget statement which would normally be early to mid March. He'd probably look for a long-ish campaign due to being behind in the polls.
    Its this. They have done emergency legislation to bring forward their tax hike cut to the beginning of January. That gives them a couple of months of "wow, my taxes didn't go up quite as much as they were supposed to" benefits before a big reveal in the budget and an election announcement.

    Thats Plan A.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    viewcode said:

    Londo Mollari : Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts.

    B5, "Ceremonies of Light and Dark", see https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517636/characters/nm0432867

    Kudos.

    I was once compared to Emperor Cartagia.
    TV SF related political commentary is not to be dismissed.
    https://www.threads.net/@georgehtakei/post/C1ArTqwOVJC
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    Omnium said:

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
    More this



    He’s the chap who enabled the heir to the empire of idiots his moment.
    Seems familiar. Is he a GOP spin doctor?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    edited December 2023
    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    DavidL said:

    @TSE should appreciate that water is only wet under the Conservatives and that we should all be properly grateful.

    A rather gushing post.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    Ho-ho-ho Happy Christmas everyone:

    Rishi Sunak is meeting just one of the five priorities he set out at the start of the year, according to BBC analysis.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67752738

    Now, at Leon's request, lesson 2 of successful project management: Make sure all the targets you publish are slam-dunk gimmes.

    Lesson 2a of project management, at no one’s request but relevant to Sunak’s promises: if at the time you set targets they were actually slam dunk gimmies, driving trains pays well as an alternative career.

    However, the truth here, in case you have not been paying attention, If the economy grows at 0.00001 and 0.000001 is shaved off borrowing, Sunak can tell Mr Speaker he has grown the economy and got borrowing down, at every PMQs. And he is.
    There is not a cat in hell's chance of even 0.000001p being shaved off Debt (which as the pledge). The amount being added to debt each month (the deficit) might reduce but that is not what Sunak pledged. (And in fact the deficit rose to in the last published figures which were for Q2 2023.)
    Hey Ben, this is new today.

    in a video posted on X after the autumn statement Sunak said “debt is falling”. Later in November he told MPs at PMQs “we have indeed reduced debt”.

    No 10 tried to justify Sunak’s “is falling” comment by saying he was referring to what was forecast to happen in 2028. 🫣


    At what point is it straightforward lying to the House of Commons?

    26m agoSunak rebuked by UK's statistics watchdog for making misleading claim about government debt falling

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/dec/19/michael-gove-sadiq-khan-housebuilding-planning-policy-england-rishi-sunak-scotland-budget-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6581c16d8f087b322e46368e#block-6581c16d8f087b322e46368e
  • Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Didn’t the security forces and civil service not want us to clash with the US election?
    I've no idea but (1) it's got nothing to do with them, and (2) so what if they 'clash' - it's more an issue for the media than the security services.
    This discusses the security services concerns.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/10/22/is-this-the-best-way-to-deal-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
    They're being a bunch of constitutionally illiterate wet Jessies.

    In both cases, ministers and officials remain in post throughout; in the US, Biden and all his crew retain full powers through to 20 Jan 2025, lame duck or not, election trail or not. And GCHQ / NSA and whoever will be little affected by an election.

    Yes, new Labour ministers would be new and untested but they will have been having briefings from the start of next year, and will be barely less experienced than a whole load of Tory ministers have been over the last 4-5 years.

    Planning elections around mental hobgoblins of the FSB's shadows would be nuts.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Could have been a Lionel Blair cut

    https://youtu.be/2Tc2K4j4iqs?si=QhTjcrNvQCKofIlu
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,609
    kinabalu said:

    Just had a suboptimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    My son just had his best experience at a barbers. Also his first experience, as he's previously had his hair cut with his grandparents (and mum, when hers needs doing) by a mobile hairdresser. He was quite taken by the big mirror to watch the action, the little mirror to show the back of the head in the big mirror and, particuarly, by the discovery of hair gel :lol:

    25 minutes sounds a bit fancy - don't think mine takes more than about 10, normally. Were you having some highlights in? As for the sudden change - 25 minutes or so could be consistent with popping some LSD just before you arrived. Maybe thought he was in Reservoir Dogs himsef :smile:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    Omnium said:

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
    More this



    He’s the chap who enabled the heir to the empire of idiots his moment.
    Seems familiar. Is he a GOP spin doctor?
    Quite probably.

    What do you want?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    DavidL said:

    @TSE should appreciate that water is only wet under the Conservatives and that we should all be properly grateful.

    A rather gushing post.
    Some people just do puns. They faucet too hard.
  • kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Was it one of these new-fangled "Turkish" barbers that seem to be springing up like mushrooms?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255

    TimS said:

    If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Hasn't it already?

    More seriously, there is a statutory 25 working day timetable for a General Election, day 0 being dissolution of Parliament, and day 25 election day. I believe that for 2nd May election, that would make dissolution day Friday, 22nd March (noting the two Easter bank holidays and May Day bank holiday).

    In practice, Sunak could pre-announce the dissolution on an earlier date - presumably linked to the Budget statement which would normally be early to mid March. He'd probably look for a long-ish campaign due to being behind in the polls.
    Which means the spring budget needs to be in early March, a couple of weeks earlier than normal. So look out for announcements from HMT of the date of the budget.
    Yes we will need a short Finance Bill to charge income tax from 6 April before parliament is dissolved.
    I think dissolution day would be Tuesday 26th March as day 0. May Day does not come into it, as that is the 6th, and there'd be no additional S/NI Bank Holidays to account for, only Good Friday and Easter Monday.

    That would make Thursday May 2nd day 25.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Just be glad that you have enough hair to keep a barber occupied so long...
  • Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Isn't the catch then the Commonwealth Summit in Samoa, which starts October 21?

    Though having Rishi out of the country might be a benefit to the Conservative campaign.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,609

    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Was it one of these new-fangled "Turkish" barbers that seem to be springing up like mushrooms?
    Or indeed, given the behaviour, springin up with shrooms.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Nigelb said:

    Compare Michelle Mone and her husband’s startup company, Medpro that had NEVER provided any PPE before and this chap’s established PPE company who employed 1600 people. She got £200 million after phoning Michael Gove. The government ignored him completely.
    https://twitter.com/squeezyjohn/status/1737052550912750070

    Isn’t Gove denying he spoke to her and was involved in any way? That’s why he sounded so much like he was avoiding the straightforward yes or no I spoke to her when asked today isn’t it?
    I'm not following the ins and outs of the bunch of crooks all that closely.
    But I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Gove is as loosely tied to truth telling as is Mone.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792

    Omnium said:

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
    More this



    He’s the chap who enabled the heir to the empire of idiots his moment.
    Seems familiar. Is he a GOP spin doctor?
    Quite probably.

    What do you want?
    "No really, what do you want?"
    "A quiet flight?"
    "That's what you want now. What do you want generally? Why do all this work, what are you aiming for? What do you want to achieve? What do you want?"
    "Go away, pester someone else."
    "We'e in a plane. I can hardly leave here until you've answered my question. What do you want?"
    "This is a silly conversation."
    "Yes it is. What do you want?"
    "To be left alone."
    "Is that it? Is that really all? What do you want?"
    "All right, fine. You really want to know what I want? You really want to know the truth?"

    Thornton paused, tried to focus, and continued.

    "We used to be great. We built cars, ships, planes, spacecraft, starships and made them fly and spin. We lit them, painted them and filmed them, on rolling roads and shining wires. We built objects of great beauty and persuaded the world they were real. We created images that looked like nothing before or since, and they were utterly, utterly wonderful. We gave the world beauty...and now we don't. I want us to be what we used to be. I want, I want it all back the way that it was. Does that answer your question?"

    Netter gaped, lost for words. Was this what Thornton wanted? A renaissance of...what? The British special effects industry? Modelmaking? His own reputation? Whatever it was, it was clear that Thornton was gripped by his own muse, and...

    Netter grinned. The muse always wins.

    "Yes, Mr Thornton. That answers my question."



    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/valen-in-vancouver.293668/#post-8632229
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,585
    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Alarming story - but I'm always wary of barbers I haven't been to before.

    A haircut is rarely a pleasant experience, and the best you can hope for is that it's over as quickly as possible.
    I think it's that cape they put over you. Deprives you of your arms. Just doesn't feel right.
    I once had a haircut take that long. The issue was that the barber refused, as a point of principle, to use a number 1, 2 etc, but instead used his own judgement. He'd been taught at barber school that using a numbered grading was a lazy shortcut for less skilled barbers. As a consequence of which I ended up with a less good haircut, though I of course admired his skill in managing a half-decent approximation of a number 1 on back and sides.

    Nowadays I cut my own hair with clippers. Wish I'd started years ago.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Ho-ho-ho Happy Christmas everyone:

    Rishi Sunak is meeting just one of the five priorities he set out at the start of the year, according to BBC analysis.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67752738

    Now, at Leon's request, lesson 2 of successful project management: Make sure all the targets you publish are slam-dunk gimmes.

    Lesson 2a of project management, at no one’s request but relevant to Sunak’s promises: if at the time you set targets they were actually slam dunk gimmies, driving trains pays well as an alternative career.

    However, the truth here, in case you have not been paying attention, If the economy grows at 0.00001 and 0.000001 is shaved off borrowing, Sunak can tell Mr Speaker he has grown the economy and got borrowing down, at every PMQs. And he is.
    There is not a cat in hell's chance of even 0.000001p being shaved off Debt (which as the pledge). The amount being added to debt each month (the deficit) might reduce but that is not what Sunak pledged. (And in fact the deficit rose to in the last published figures which were for Q2 2023.)
    Hey Ben, this is new today.

    in a video posted on X after the autumn statement Sunak said “debt is falling”. Later in November he told MPs at PMQs “we have indeed reduced debt”.

    No 10 tried to justify Sunak’s “is falling” comment by saying he was referring to what was forecast to happen in 2028. 🫣


    At what point is it straightforward lying to the House of Commons?

    26m agoSunak rebuked by UK's statistics watchdog for making misleading claim about government debt falling

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/dec/19/michael-gove-sadiq-khan-housebuilding-planning-policy-england-rishi-sunak-scotland-budget-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6581c16d8f087b322e46368e#block-6581c16d8f087b322e46368e
    Indeed. I can today announce that I have lost a couple of stone in 2024.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    edited December 2023

    Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Didn’t the security forces and civil service not want us to clash with the US election?
    I've no idea but (1) it's got nothing to do with them, and (2) so what if they 'clash' - it's more an issue for the media than the security services.
    This discusses the security services concerns.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/10/22/is-this-the-best-way-to-deal-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
    They're being a bunch of constitutionally illiterate wet Jessies.

    In both cases, ministers and officials remain in post throughout; in the US, Biden and all his crew retain full powers through to 20 Jan 2025, lame duck or not, election trail or not. And GCHQ / NSA and whoever will be little affected by an election.

    Yes, new Labour ministers would be new and untested but they will have been having briefings from the start of next year, and will be barely less experienced than a whole load of Tory ministers have been over the last 4-5 years.

    Planning elections around mental hobgoblins of the FSB's shadows would be nuts.
    Is 'constitutionally illiterate' a thing when there's no written constitution?

    Or do you mean these people are inherently unable to read?
  • If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    Last week in March I think - Parliament has to be dissolved 25 working days before the election which I think is 28th March. Usually the announcement comes a few days before though.

    Edit: I didn’t count the bank holidays, so scratch that. Around the end of March, though!
    The Budget is normally early/mid March so can be used as a 'tax manifesto' and this fits in well with the election timing outlined by you
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    edited December 2023
    Scottish Income Tax:

    Effective marginal rate between £100,000 and £125,140 is actually 69.5%.

    ie: 45% + 22.5% + 2% (NI) = 69.5%

    Rest of UK = 40% + 20% + 2% = 62%

    Second component in Scotland is 22.5% and not 20% because each extra pound taxed is taxed at 45%, not 40%!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,585

    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Was it one of these new-fangled "Turkish" barbers that seem to be springing up like mushrooms?
    A friend of mine gets his hair cut at a Turkish barber* in Ireland (where he lives - he doesn't make a special trip).
    He was telling us about not liking the bit of a haircut where 'they set fire to your ears'. We all looked at him in incomprehension, before his wife piped up 'No wonder your so reluctant to get your haircut'.

    *as opposed to a barber who just happens to be Turkish. Round here practically everyone who cuts hair professionally appears to be from somewhere just beyond Bulgaria. No idea why. Presumably hair and the need for it to be cut is universal; it seems unlikely that a region would emerge with a specialism for it.
  • viewcode said:

    Omnium said:

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
    More this



    He’s the chap who enabled the heir to the empire of idiots his moment.
    Seems familiar. Is he a GOP spin doctor?
    Quite probably.

    What do you want?
    "No really, what do you want?"
    "A quiet flight?"
    "That's what you want now. What do you want generally? Why do all this work, what are you aiming for? What do you want to achieve? What do you want?"
    "Go away, pester someone else."
    "We'e in a plane. I can hardly leave here until you've answered my question. What do you want?"
    "This is a silly conversation."
    "Yes it is. What do you want?"
    "To be left alone."
    "Is that it? Is that really all? What do you want?"
    "All right, fine. You really want to know what I want? You really want to know the truth?"

    Thornton paused, tried to focus, and continued.

    "We used to be great. We built cars, ships, planes, spacecraft, starships and made them fly and spin. We lit them, painted them and filmed them, on rolling roads and shining wires. We built objects of great beauty and persuaded the world they were real. We created images that looked like nothing before or since, and they were utterly, utterly wonderful. We gave the world beauty...and now we don't. I want us to be what we used to be. I want, I want it all back the way that it was. Does that answer your question?"

    Netter gaped, lost for words. Was this what Thornton wanted? A renaissance of...what? The British special effects industry? Modelmaking? His own reputation? Whatever it was, it was clear that Thornton was gripped by his own muse, and...

    Netter grinned. The muse always wins.

    "Yes, Mr Thornton. That answers my question."



    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/valen-in-vancouver.293668/#post-8632229
    My favourite scene from B5 (apart from Vir assassinating [redacted spoilers].

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWE43m9SL4I
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    Believe you would be
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    Alarming story - but I'm always wary of barbers I haven't been to before.

    A haircut is rarely a pleasant experience, and the best you can hope for is that it's over as quickly as possible.
    I think it's that cape they put over you. Deprives you of your arms. Just doesn't feel right.
    I once had a haircut take that long. The issue was that the barber refused, as a point of principle, to use a number 1, 2 etc, but instead used his own judgement. He'd been taught at barber school that using a numbered grading was a lazy shortcut for less skilled barbers. As a consequence of which I ended up with a less good haircut, though I of course admired his skill in managing a half-decent approximation of a number 1 on back and sides.

    Nowadays I cut my own hair with clippers. Wish I'd started years ago.
    Cheeky. No reduced clipper rate either doing that.

    I mix it up - go to the barbers every 2-3 goes to make sure the lines are up to scratch. The only danger for me with some of the cheaper barbers is that they'll give you those minimal simpleton sideburns.And such lines definitely aren't up to scratch.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think there’s a separate registration process for overseas voters.


    https://www.gov.uk/voting-when-abroad
    What defines overseas?
    Anything that requires a (small) boat to get to
  • Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Isn't the catch then the Commonwealth Summit in Samoa, which starts October 21?

    Though having Rishi out of the country might be a benefit to the Conservative campaign.
    If Churchill and Attlee could get through the rather more important Potsdam conference in 1945, I'm sure Sunak can handle a couple of days away from the campaign trail, photo-opping on the other side of the world. Summits happen regularly; other than the location this time, CHOGMs are among the easier.
  • Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Big up AverageNinja for the Mean Girls reference. Probably my favourite film of the last twenty years. Also honourable mention to TimS for introducing Slay - my 11yo daughter's favourite word - to PB. Perhaps this is the defining word of the SE London female year 6 demographic. I wonder if his daughter also worships Zendaya?

    I checked and she's never heard of Zendaya. But now she has. Clearly not as slay as your girl.
    Ha my girl is obsessed with her. She thinks that Tom Holland is punching well above his weight.
    Given his size, that's inevitable, though.
    You have to give him credit for his Umbrella lipsync, however. Total commitment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brq-exSvB7Q
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    Plan A clearly is 2nd May, for a whole stack of reasons.

    I don't expect much recovery in the polls by March so the temptation to delay would be there. But to what end?

    They must expect a kicking in the locals, so go beyond May and people really will punish those councillors up for reelection. And then there are less activists to campaign for the GE.

    FEWER grrr
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    edited December 2023
    These Scottish income tax rates really are something.

    Rest of UK - higher rate of 40% starts at £50,270.

    Scotland - higher rate is 42% and starts at £43,633.

    Scotland then has a 45% rate from £75,000 to £125,140.

    Rest of UK top rate (above £125,140) is 45%.

    Scotland top rate (above £125,140) is 48%.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-67759418
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    If it’s in May when does it all kick off?

    May 3… when the Tories sneak an unexpected overall majority and a certain type of leftie believes it’s not possible and it must have been fixed by the Russians…
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2023
    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    When I lived in your neck of the woods, I used Flaxenptootch in Kentish Town for all my hairdressing needs. The owner, Michael I think, seems a really nice guy. It’s an art gallery at night I think and they sometimes have concerts on too

    Well this was all true 16 years ago anyway
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792

    viewcode said:

    Omnium said:

    Has someone been seen drinking tea in a sinister fashion?

    Fu Manchu - known for it!
    More this



    He’s the chap who enabled the heir to the empire of idiots his moment.
    Seems familiar. Is he a GOP spin doctor?
    Quite probably.

    What do you want?
    "No really, what do you want?"
    "A quiet flight?"
    "That's what you want now. What do you want generally? Why do all this work, what are you aiming for? What do you want to achieve? What do you want?"
    "Go away, pester someone else."
    "We'e in a plane. I can hardly leave here until you've answered my question. What do you want?"
    "This is a silly conversation."
    "Yes it is. What do you want?"
    "To be left alone."
    "Is that it? Is that really all? What do you want?"
    "All right, fine. You really want to know what I want? You really want to know the truth?"

    Thornton paused, tried to focus, and continued.

    "We used to be great. We built cars, ships, planes, spacecraft, starships and made them fly and spin. We lit them, painted them and filmed them, on rolling roads and shining wires. We built objects of great beauty and persuaded the world they were real. We created images that looked like nothing before or since, and they were utterly, utterly wonderful. We gave the world beauty...and now we don't. I want us to be what we used to be. I want, I want it all back the way that it was. Does that answer your question?"

    Netter gaped, lost for words. Was this what Thornton wanted? A renaissance of...what? The British special effects industry? Modelmaking? His own reputation? Whatever it was, it was clear that Thornton was gripped by his own muse, and...

    Netter grinned. The muse always wins.

    "Yes, Mr Thornton. That answers my question."



    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/valen-in-vancouver.293668/#post-8632229
    My favourite scene from B5 (apart from Vir assassinating [redacted spoilers].

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWE43m9SL4I
    I missed the technomage/Mollari dialogue the first time round... :(
    • Technomage: As I look at you, Ambasador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sound; the sounds of billions of people calling your name.
    • Mollari: My followers?
    • Technomage: Your victims.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbvqxZmTGLc
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,920
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think you should if you plan to vote Labour. If not, hmmm, I'm really not sure of the rules, maybe best to play it safe and assume you're not eligible.
    I'm in the Holborn and St Pancras constituency, so my vote could be the crucial difference between Keir Starmer getting 69.99% or instead cracking that psychologically important 70% barrier.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344
    kinabalu said:

    Just had a sub-optimal experience at a barbers I haven't been to before. For about 25 minutes the rather intense bloke cutting my hair worked in studied silence (fine by me, means he's concentrating) and then, apropos of nothing at all, he just barked out "How's your day going?" Despite being thrown by the abrupt change in atmosphere, I manage to mumble a "great thanks". At which point this guy who's been mute for nearly half an hour breaks into song ("That's the way aha aha I like it") and starts jigging around the chair. It's like he's all of a sudden exploded, and bear in mind he's holding a sharp pair of scissors. That horrid scene in Reservoir Dogs was coming to mind. I was genuinely frightened. I live to tell the tale, and it was a decent haircut in the end, but I doubt I'll be going back.

    25 minutes plus for a haircut? My avatar is wildly inappropriate, but 15-20 minutes is plenty.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,183
    edited December 2023

    Sept / early Oct is too soon after the summer holidays. You'd have to call it in August, which is suboptimal for all sorts of reasons, from a lack of parliamentary time to wash up legislation to candidates, activists and media being on holiday.

    The earliest an election could be, if called at the beginning of September (and assuming a Thursday) is 10 Oct.

    Personally, I still reckon on him using the Tory conference as the launch-pad and going with Nov 14.

    Isn't the catch then the Commonwealth Summit in Samoa, which starts October 21?

    Though having Rishi out of the country might be a benefit to the Conservative campaign.
    If Churchill and Attlee could get through the rather more important Potsdam conference in 1945, I'm sure Sunak can handle a couple of days away from the campaign trail, photo-opping on the other side of the world. Summits happen regularly; other than the location this time, CHOGMs are among the easier.
    "We want Samoa" is probably the best slogan they can hope for.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I would have thought you are perfectly at liberty to register and vote.

    Wasn't there a rather cunning plan in 1992 to register Conservative voting South African residents (with UK citizenship) in convenient seats?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,585
    edited December 2023
    Pro_Rata said:

    [snip] minimal simpleton sideburns

    Phrase of the day. Three words I have never seen lined up together before. Bravo.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think there’s a separate registration process for overseas voters.


    https://www.gov.uk/voting-when-abroad
    What defines overseas?
    Anything that requires a (small) boat to get to
    The Isle of Man?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think you should if you plan to vote Labour. If not, hmmm, I'm really not sure of the rules, maybe best to play it safe and assume you're not eligible.
    I'm in the Holborn and St Pancras constituency, so my vote could be the crucial difference between Keir Starmer getting 69.99% or instead cracking that psychologically important 70% barrier.
    I personally know only two people who have contested Parliamentary elections. Both of them, quite separately and at different elections for different parties, contested Holborn & St Pancras. Both lost. The quality of my anecdata continues to amaze.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    Ho-ho-ho Happy Christmas everyone:

    Rishi Sunak is meeting just one of the five priorities he set out at the start of the year, according to BBC analysis.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67752738

    Now, at Leon's request, lesson 2 of successful project management: Make sure all the targets you publish are slam-dunk gimmes.

    Lesson 2a of project management, at no one’s request but relevant to Sunak’s promises: if at the time you set targets they were actually slam dunk gimmies, driving trains pays well as an alternative career.

    However, the truth here, in case you have not been paying attention, If the economy grows at 0.00001 and 0.000001 is shaved off borrowing, Sunak can tell Mr Speaker he has grown the economy and got borrowing down, at every PMQs. And he is.
    There is not a cat in hell's chance of even 0.000001p being shaved off Debt (which as the pledge). The amount being added to debt each month (the deficit) might reduce but that is not what Sunak pledged. (And in fact the deficit rose to in the last published figures which were for Q2 2023.)
    Hey Ben, this is new today.

    in a video posted on X after the autumn statement Sunak said “debt is falling”. Later in November he told MPs at PMQs “we have indeed reduced debt”.

    No 10 tried to justify Sunak’s “is falling” comment by saying he was referring to what was forecast to happen in 2028. 🫣


    At what point is it straightforward lying to the House of Commons?

    26m agoSunak rebuked by UK's statistics watchdog for making misleading claim about government debt falling

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/dec/19/michael-gove-sadiq-khan-housebuilding-planning-policy-england-rishi-sunak-scotland-budget-keir-starmer-uk-politics-latest?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6581c16d8f087b322e46368e#block-6581c16d8f087b322e46368e
    Indeed. I can today announce that I have lost a couple of stone in 2024.
    How many managers and transfer spending will Chelsea get through by 2028? Surely Rishi can tell us 🫣
  • My predictions for Labour post the election are, assuming a win.

    They will get a very easy first year and will remain significantly ahead in the polls. If things aren't improving going into year two, they will start to go backwards assuming the Tories don't eat themselves, otherwise it's very possible "sensible" is enough and the Tories lose more badly the second time.

    I think we are in for 10 years of Labour Government but I've thought that since SKS was elected (originally I thought it would be Lab/Lib Dems then Labour alone).

    Most radical things they will go I think are, Great British Energy, planning reform and HoL reform assuming they get to 10 years. PR I think is a possibility right at the end of a second term but won't be a priority.

    For my own selfish reasons, I would like them to update planning to allow taller masts to be built and to allow masts to be built next to the railway. I would mandate 100% coverage of all lines by 2030 which shouldn't be difficult as Network Rail already achieved it, just force them to give up their assets.
  • DougSeal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Quick question.

    I live in the US, on a non-immigrant visa. (That is, I'm not planning on staying in the US permanently.)

    I own an apartment in London, where I am currently staying.

    Camden Council is busy doing the electoral roll. Do I put my wife and me on it? Are we - British citizens - eligible to vote in the election next year?

    I think you should if you plan to vote Labour. If not, hmmm, I'm really not sure of the rules, maybe best to play it safe and assume you're not eligible.
    I'm in the Holborn and St Pancras constituency, so my vote could be the crucial difference between Keir Starmer getting 69.99% or instead cracking that psychologically important 70% barrier.
    I personally know only two people who have contested Parliamentary elections. Both of them, quite separately and at different elections for different parties, contested Holborn & St Pancras. Both lost. The quality of my anecdata continues to amaze.
    I've done three parliamentary elections - but none in Holborn & St Pancras.

    On the substantive point for @rcs1000, email Camden Council - they will let you know if you are on the register, and if not will confirm if you are eligible to be on the register and send you the forms.
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