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  • dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    Lets hope they increase funding for public services that are heavily reliant on these workers by the same proportion......
  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/21/protesters-iain-duncan-smith-tory-scum-reasonable-court-rules

    Calling Iain Duncan Smith "Tory scum" has been ruled to be "reasonable".
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    HYUFD said:

    Should be noted that the 27% with a favourable view of Farage is higher than some current Tory poll ratings

    That's a very low bar TBF
  • Snowflakes. I am sure the free speech union will have been very helpful in protecting the rights of the defendants to free expression.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    I've always assumed it was to give them a better chance in the labour market. Too many would struggle to get jobs if the minimum wage was the same?
  • Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited November 2023
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    University Challenge viewers criticise ‘anti-Semitic’ blue octopus mascot as show is hit by backlash
    ...
    ...
    A BBC spokesperson said, “We are aware of a number of inaccurate claims being made online in relation to last night’s episode of University Challenge and we utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared.

    "For the avoidance of doubt, this episode was filmed in March. The mascot is one of many chosen by the team during the course of the series and is one of their favourite animals.

    "The jacket worn by one of the contestants was navy blue, orange, pink and green, bought from a High Street retailer. It has no connection to any flag.”

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

    Why is a blue octopus anti-semitic? Genuine question.
    Good afternoon everyone.

    Apparently sometimes used by Nazis as a symbol of Jewish world control.

    Good job it wasn't a Mimic Octopus; the outrage-bots would be confused about which version of Mimic to be offended about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvAVrOKvGLI
    Wasn’t an octopus used to predict football matches?
    If you have an octopus in your football team, make sure they get to the ground good and early. It takes them four times as long to put their boots on, compared to the rest of the players.
    Logic fail. Seven times as many 'hands' to get the first one on, six the second ... not sure how it works out for n=8, , though!
    Potentially, 3.5 times as many hands for the first boot surely (assuming they are not playing a team of one-armed opponents)?

    If they only put boots on half their 'limbs' like their human counterparts it'll take the same time, so long as they can put an individual boot on in the same time as a human:

    T1: Human puts boot 1 on using arms 1 & 2. Octopus puts on boots 1 and 2 using arms, 3 & 4, and 5 & 6, respectively.

    T2: Human puts boot 2 on using arms 1 & 2. Octopus puts on boots 3 and 4 using arms, 5 & 6, and 7 & 8, respectively.

    (Maybe I should get out more.)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,413
    ..
    Carnyx said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Luckyguy ought to look up 'Speenhamland System'. It was about rich *******'s wage bills being subsidised with the [edit] taxes paid by not so rich sods. One of the old C19 traditions abolished by the reformers and enthusiastically being embraced by the Tories.
    I am aware of the Speenhamland system thanks.
  • dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    Lets hope they increase funding for public services that are heavily reliant on these workers by the same proportion......
    Of course they bloody haven't. It's why the talk of fiscal headroom is so dishonest.



    https://twitter.com/resfoundation/status/1726606823976014027
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited November 2023
    Does that mean the High Court has ruled that IDS is officially 'Tory scum'?

    Two protesters were “reasonable” in calling Iain Duncan Smith “Tory scum” outside the Conservative party conference, the high court has ruled..."
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Who cares
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    When are they going to address the age discrimination in Universal Credit?

    Universal Credit Rates 2023/24 per month:
    Single under 25 £292.11
    Single 25 or over £368.74
    Couples:
    Joint claimants both under 25 £458.51
    Joint claimants, one or both 25 or over £578.82

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-and-pension-rates-2023-to-2024/benefit-and-pension-rates-2023-to-2024#universal-credit
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    @FrankBooth

    If that’s the reason, there are better ways of incentivising employers to hire them (I.E. grants or tax breaks to train youngsters) rather than just paying them less.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
    This is where all parties becoming less binary about policies and less ideological would help. The minimum wage is an example of something where the existence isn’t the issue, it’s the rate. So you can keep pushing it up, experimentally, until there’s a material impact on unemployment. None yet.

    Same with certain taxes, and with tax breaks and subsidies. We need more iteration and empiricism in policy to see what works and what doesn’t.
  • University Challenge viewers criticise ‘anti-Semitic’ blue octopus mascot as show is hit by backlash
    ...
    ...
    A BBC spokesperson said, “We are aware of a number of inaccurate claims being made online in relation to last night’s episode of University Challenge and we utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared.

    "For the avoidance of doubt, this episode was filmed in March. The mascot is one of many chosen by the team during the course of the series and is one of their favourite animals.

    "The jacket worn by one of the contestants was navy blue, orange, pink and green, bought from a High Street retailer. It has no connection to any flag.”

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

    Why is a blue octopus anti-semitic? Genuine question.
    Anti-Semitic trope is Jews are like octopus with tentacles wrapped around everything.
    It’s pretty universal..



    https://x.com/babadookspinoza/status/1715747419961405678?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,816
    edited November 2023

    Carnyx said:

    Spot the difference with the part of the Labour Party south of the border (and it's not a matter of today; Mr Sarwar was taking a different route some days back):

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23938240.scottish-parliament-calls-immediate-ceasefire-gaza/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=211123

    'The Scottish Parliament has backed a Government motion calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in the conflict, as well as condemning the “barbaric and unjustifiable” Hamas attacks of October 7 and demanding the release of all hostages taken.

    A Labour amendment calling for the International Criminal Court to investigate the conduct of all parties in the conflict was also accepted by the Government.

    A Conservative amendment calling for humanitarian pauses instead of an immediate ceasefire was voted down.'

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23936580.recap-scottish-parliament-debates-motion-gaza-ceasefire/

    But is a ceasefire really a solution? Hamas remains committed to destroying Israel - with Iranian support. Too many of the 'ceasefire' brigade seem to think there can be a pause in hostilities and then everyone goes home again.
    Palestine acquitted themselves well against Australia in a World Cup Qualifier earlier today, "only" losing 1-0.

    Match had to be played in Kuwait, though.
  • TimS said:

    Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
    This is where all parties becoming less binary about policies and less ideological would help. The minimum wage is an example of something where the existence isn’t the issue, it’s the rate. So you can keep pushing it up, experimentally, until there’s a material impact on unemployment. None yet.

    Same with certain taxes, and with tax breaks and subsidies. We need more iteration and empiricism in policy to see what works and what doesn’t.
    I suspect the thing that will "break" minimum wage increases is the difficulty of convincing staff to take on extra responsibility and work unsocial hours at just above the minimum wage.

    The most impacted industries? Hospitality, and then healthcare/social care/nurseries which are all dependent on HMRC who seem oblivious to the conflict.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    University Challenge viewers criticise ‘anti-Semitic’ blue octopus mascot as show is hit by backlash
    ...
    ...
    A BBC spokesperson said, “We are aware of a number of inaccurate claims being made online in relation to last night’s episode of University Challenge and we utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared.

    "For the avoidance of doubt, this episode was filmed in March. The mascot is one of many chosen by the team during the course of the series and is one of their favourite animals.

    "The jacket worn by one of the contestants was navy blue, orange, pink and green, bought from a High Street retailer. It has no connection to any flag.”

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

    Why is a blue octopus anti-semitic? Genuine question.
    Anti-Semitic trope is Jews are like octopus with tentacles wrapped around everything.
    It’s pretty universal..



    https://x.com/babadookspinoza/status/1715747419961405678?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Yeah I don't know what all the fuss is about.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    Carnyx said:

    Spot the difference with the part of the Labour Party south of the border (and it's not a matter of today; Mr Sarwar was taking a different route some days back):

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23938240.scottish-parliament-calls-immediate-ceasefire-gaza/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=211123

    'The Scottish Parliament has backed a Government motion calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in the conflict, as well as condemning the “barbaric and unjustifiable” Hamas attacks of October 7 and demanding the release of all hostages taken.

    A Labour amendment calling for the International Criminal Court to investigate the conduct of all parties in the conflict was also accepted by the Government.

    A Conservative amendment calling for humanitarian pauses instead of an immediate ceasefire was voted down.'

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23936580.recap-scottish-parliament-debates-motion-gaza-ceasefire/

    But is a ceasefire really a solution? Hamas remains committed to destroying Israel - with Iranian support. Too many of the 'ceasefire' brigade seem to think there can be a pause in hostilities and then everyone goes home again.
    Palestine acquitted themselves well against Australia in a World Cup Qualifier earlier today, "only" losing 1-0.

    Match had to be played in Kuwait, though.
    I wouldn't fancy playing in a Hamas controlled Gaza. Would you dare win?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    News from the front line. Of theatreland.

    Got here early sitting in the bar (Dear England), no one else here save the bar staff. They were chatting about a mate of theirs who had made a Jewish joke ("not offensive") and how they would all avoid the subject like the plague, especially now.

    Seems that people are aware of it all but don't really give a shit, which is reasonable imo.

    Seems it's just the SNP.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    Indeed, recently Mr Meeks (formerly of this parish) has mused that in a time of full employment, increasing wages and employers NI is a useful way to solve the productivity trap.

    https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1719835080716128764?t=HI1jrkOwnKWGxazE1AwbdQ&s=19
  • TOPPING said:

    University Challenge viewers criticise ‘anti-Semitic’ blue octopus mascot as show is hit by backlash
    ...
    ...
    A BBC spokesperson said, “We are aware of a number of inaccurate claims being made online in relation to last night’s episode of University Challenge and we utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared.

    "For the avoidance of doubt, this episode was filmed in March. The mascot is one of many chosen by the team during the course of the series and is one of their favourite animals.

    "The jacket worn by one of the contestants was navy blue, orange, pink and green, bought from a High Street retailer. It has no connection to any flag.”

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

    Why is a blue octopus anti-semitic? Genuine question.
    Anti-Semitic trope is Jews are like octopus with tentacles wrapped around everything.
    It’s pretty universal..



    https://x.com/babadookspinoza/status/1715747419961405678?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Yeah I don't know what all the fuss is about.
    Thank you for your continuing attention.
  • Carnyx said:

    Spot the difference with the part of the Labour Party south of the border (and it's not a matter of today; Mr Sarwar was taking a different route some days back):

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23938240.scottish-parliament-calls-immediate-ceasefire-gaza/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=211123

    'The Scottish Parliament has backed a Government motion calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in the conflict, as well as condemning the “barbaric and unjustifiable” Hamas attacks of October 7 and demanding the release of all hostages taken.

    A Labour amendment calling for the International Criminal Court to investigate the conduct of all parties in the conflict was also accepted by the Government.

    A Conservative amendment calling for humanitarian pauses instead of an immediate ceasefire was voted down.'

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23936580.recap-scottish-parliament-debates-motion-gaza-ceasefire/

    But is a ceasefire really a solution? Hamas remains committed to destroying Israel - with Iranian support. Too many of the 'ceasefire' brigade seem to think there can be a pause in hostilities and then everyone goes home again.
    Palestine acquitted themselves well against Australia in a World Cup Qualifier earlier today, "only" losing 1-0.

    Match had to be played in Kuwait, though.
    I wouldn't fancy playing in a Hamas controlled Gaza. Would you dare win?
    I would be more worried about getting blown to bits by IDF air strikes!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    How much is the NI cut tomorrow ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Slowly moving away from government tax credits to subsidise low-paid employment.

    It’s almost as if Stuart Rose was right.
  • Carnyx said:

    Spot the difference with the part of the Labour Party south of the border (and it's not a matter of today; Mr Sarwar was taking a different route some days back):

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23938240.scottish-parliament-calls-immediate-ceasefire-gaza/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=211123

    'The Scottish Parliament has backed a Government motion calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in the conflict, as well as condemning the “barbaric and unjustifiable” Hamas attacks of October 7 and demanding the release of all hostages taken.

    A Labour amendment calling for the International Criminal Court to investigate the conduct of all parties in the conflict was also accepted by the Government.

    A Conservative amendment calling for humanitarian pauses instead of an immediate ceasefire was voted down.'

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23936580.recap-scottish-parliament-debates-motion-gaza-ceasefire/

    But is a ceasefire really a solution? Hamas remains committed to destroying Israel - with Iranian support. Too many of the 'ceasefire' brigade seem to think there can be a pause in hostilities and then everyone goes home again.
    Palestine acquitted themselves well against Australia in a World Cup Qualifier earlier today, "only" losing 1-0.

    Match had to be played in Kuwait, though.
    I wouldn't fancy playing in a Hamas controlled Gaza. Would you dare win?
    I would be more worried about getting blown to bits by IDF air strikes!
    They think it’s all over…oh.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,618
    https://x.com/llggeorgia/status/1727010083471839328

    Mawlana Muhammad Nizam Ashraf, from Bolton, says he prevented a Labour councillor from speaking at jumu'ah prayers because his party is “pro LGBT and pro Zionist”.
  • Carnyx said:

    Spot the difference with the part of the Labour Party south of the border (and it's not a matter of today; Mr Sarwar was taking a different route some days back):

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23938240.scottish-parliament-calls-immediate-ceasefire-gaza/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=211123

    'The Scottish Parliament has backed a Government motion calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in the conflict, as well as condemning the “barbaric and unjustifiable” Hamas attacks of October 7 and demanding the release of all hostages taken.

    A Labour amendment calling for the International Criminal Court to investigate the conduct of all parties in the conflict was also accepted by the Government.

    A Conservative amendment calling for humanitarian pauses instead of an immediate ceasefire was voted down.'

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23936580.recap-scottish-parliament-debates-motion-gaza-ceasefire/

    But is a ceasefire really a solution? Hamas remains committed to destroying Israel - with Iranian support. Too many of the 'ceasefire' brigade seem to think there can be a pause in hostilities and then everyone goes home again.
    Palestine acquitted themselves well against Australia in a World Cup Qualifier earlier today, "only" losing 1-0.

    Match had to be played in Kuwait, though.
    Has anyone else noticed how Kuwait and QAnon start with the same sound? Scary, just shows what we are up against.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,035
    edited November 2023

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's business.

    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
  • Ministerial cars involved in crash once every three weeks
    Government's fleet including Range Rovers and Jaguars were involved in 129 accidents between January 2017 and October 2023

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/21/ministerial-cars-accidents-once-every-three-weeks-foi/ (£££)

    And you thought that plague victims was the least likely stat of the day.
  • Good evening from the British Institute of Innkeeping awards dinner.

    Something has happened to chaps attire during Covid. This kind of “dress to impress” invite has all the ladies in their finest gowns. Chaps would all have been in black tie before Covid. But I am one of very few who has bothered this time.

    Almost everyone is in a suit of some description, but most are not DJs.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,818
    TOPPING said:

    News from the front line. Of theatreland.

    Got here early sitting in the bar (Dear England), no one else here save the bar staff. They were chatting about a mate of theirs who had made a Jewish joke ("not offensive") and how they would all avoid the subject like the plague, especially now.

    Seems that people are aware of it all but don't really give a shit, which is reasonable imo.

    Seems it's just the SNP.

    No. Slab, very much so. SLD and SG too, I think, but haven't seen the vote stats.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    TimS said:

    Safe passage / promise of no assassination for a few of the oligarchical leaders with property in Qatar?
    The ghost of Prigozhin would be waving frantically, urging them not to accept.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,818

    ..

    Carnyx said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Luckyguy ought to look up 'Speenhamland System'. It was about rich *******'s wage bills being subsidised with the [edit] taxes paid by not so rich sods. One of the old C19 traditions abolished by the reformers and enthusiastically being embraced by the Tories.
    I am aware of the Speenhamland system thanks.
    Excellent. Feel free to have a biscuit, a custard cream for preference, or maybe a Wagon Wheel if you prefer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Have they been taken over by the DfE?
  • David Cameron takes swipe at Boris Johnson's comeback hopes in his first Lords speech
    ...
    Mocking Mr Johnson he said: "It was a surprise to be asked. I have not been sitting like some latter-day de Gaulle at Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises waiting to be asked, how shall I put it, to take back control.

    "Nor am I Cincinnatus hovering over my plough. I leave all classical allusions, and indeed illusions for that matter, to another former prime minister with whom I shared a number of educational experiences."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-takes-swipe-boris-31494392
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371

    David Cameron takes swipe at Boris Johnson's comeback hopes in his first Lords speech
    ...
    Mocking Mr Johnson he said: "It was a surprise to be asked. I have not been sitting like some latter-day de Gaulle at Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises waiting to be asked, how shall I put it, to take back control.

    "Nor am I Cincinnatus hovering over my plough. I leave all classical allusions, and indeed illusions for that matter, to another former prime minister with whom I shared a number of educational experiences."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-takes-swipe-boris-31494392

    Didn't expect him to mention the pig.

    Or indeed the Johnson.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,558
    ydoethur said:

    Ministerial cars involved in crash once every three weeks
    Government's fleet including Range Rovers and Jaguars were involved in 129 accidents between January 2017 and October 2023

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/21/ministerial-cars-accidents-once-every-three-weeks-foi/ (£££)

    And you thought that plague victims was the least likely stat of the day.

    Indeed.

    Since our governing class seem to be involved in multiple car crashes every day, it's a real surprise to learn they only happen every three weeks.
    Of course, it could just be one having multiple car crashes.

    Be interesting to see if the decline in frequency now Braverman's ministerial car has been withdrawn.
  • Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's business.

    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    There are plenty of people out here working for far less than the minimum wage. That anyone doesn't know that just shows that the ivory tower brigade are alive and well
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,262
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Have they been taken over by the DfE?
    It gets worse


    JUST IN : SAM ALTMAN & THE OPENAI BOARD HAVE AGAIN OPENED TALKS FOR BRINGING SAM BACK AS CEO
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,558

    https://x.com/llggeorgia/status/1727010083471839328

    Mawlana Muhammad Nizam Ashraf, from Bolton, says he prevented a Labour councillor from speaking at jumu'ah prayers because his party is “pro LGBT and pro Zionist”.

    So, a ceasefire is not going to end Starmer's woes.

    Not until he agrees to join in throwing the LGBT off rooftops...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    edited November 2023
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Have they been taken over by the DfE?
    It gets worse


    JUST IN : SAM ALTMAN & THE OPENAI BOARD HAVE AGAIN OPENED TALKS FOR BRINGING SAM BACK AS CEO
    Gosh, you're right.

    That's not the DfE.

    That's the Conservative Party.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,070

    David Cameron takes swipe at Boris Johnson's comeback hopes in his first Lords speech
    ...
    Mocking Mr Johnson he said: "It was a surprise to be asked. I have not been sitting like some latter-day de Gaulle at Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises waiting to be asked, how shall I put it, to take back control.

    "Nor am I Cincinnatus hovering over my plough. I leave all classical allusions, and indeed illusions for that matter, to another former prime minister with whom I shared a number of educational experiences."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-takes-swipe-boris-31494392

    That's...actually funny. Curses :(
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,224
    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • David Cameron takes swipe at Boris Johnson's comeback hopes in his first Lords speech
    ...
    Mocking Mr Johnson he said: "It was a surprise to be asked. I have not been sitting like some latter-day de Gaulle at Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises waiting to be asked, how shall I put it, to take back control.

    "Nor am I Cincinnatus hovering over my plough. I leave all classical allusions, and indeed illusions for that matter, to another former prime minister with whom I shared a number of educational experiences."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-takes-swipe-boris-31494392

    A well aimed Church’s Oxford to the Johnson crown jewels. Assume Boris and Carrie won’t be popping over for pre Christmas drinks.
  • TimS said:

    Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
    This is where all parties becoming less binary about policies and less ideological would help. The minimum wage is an example of something where the existence isn’t the issue, it’s the rate. So you can keep pushing it up, experimentally, until there’s a material impact on unemployment. None yet.

    Same with certain taxes, and with tax breaks and subsidies. We need more iteration and empiricism in policy to see what works and what doesn’t.
    I suspect the thing that will "break" minimum wage increases is the difficulty of convincing staff to take on extra responsibility and work unsocial hours at just above the minimum wage.

    The most impacted industries? Hospitality, and then healthcare/social care/nurseries which are all dependent on HMRC who seem oblivious to the conflict.
    My son manages the night shift in a well-known supermarket chain. The issue here is, as you say, that he is not on that much more than the staff he manages. Exacerbated by the fact that his pay rises are negotiated in October when the shelf-stackers get their rise in April.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's business.

    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    Don’t worry

    The cash in hand economy is alive and well. Given some of the insane cliff edges in the benefit system, you can find people to shovel dirt for very little, if you know where to look.

    It’s rather like childcare - for those who can afford it, legit, registered nurseries that cost about as much as a place at private school. For people who clean toilets….
  • TimS said:

    Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
    This is where all parties becoming less binary about policies and less ideological would help. The minimum wage is an example of something where the existence isn’t the issue, it’s the rate. So you can keep pushing it up, experimentally, until there’s a material impact on unemployment. None yet.

    Same with certain taxes, and with tax breaks and subsidies. We need more iteration and empiricism in policy to see what works and what doesn’t.
    I suspect the thing that will "break" minimum wage increases is the difficulty of convincing staff to take on extra responsibility and work unsocial hours at just above the minimum wage.

    The most impacted industries? Hospitality, and then healthcare/social care/nurseries which are all dependent on HMRC who seem oblivious to the conflict.
    My son manages the night shift in a well-known supermarket chain. The issue here is, as you say, that he is not on that much more than the staff he manages. Exacerbated by the fact that his pay rises are negotiated in October when the shelf-stackers get their rise in April.
    Working night shifts long term is seriously bad for health, comparable with smoking. Perhaps there should be a two tier minimum wage with a lower standard amount and something like standard + 30-40% for nighttime hours.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,347
    A business that can’t afford the minimum wage ought not to be in business. Like IHT this is something on which my views have changed 180 degrees.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    Anyway, Cameron's speech gives us an excuse to post this again:

    https://youtu.be/B0b-S1MRv_s?si=5jnc1CSew436Xh8_
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's business.

    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    Crikey! Have I woken up in 1997?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,372
    Binance !!

    CZ to step down and plead guilty and strike a plea deal with DOJ

    News on CNBC.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    edited November 2023
    Sean_F said:

    A business that can’t afford the minimum wage ought not to be in business. Like IHT this is something on which my views have changed 180 degrees.

    https://www.motorhomefacts.com/threads/cornish-farmer-and-the-tax-inspector.67571/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660

    TimS said:

    Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
    This is where all parties becoming less binary about policies and less ideological would help. The minimum wage is an example of something where the existence isn’t the issue, it’s the rate. So you can keep pushing it up, experimentally, until there’s a material impact on unemployment. None yet.

    Same with certain taxes, and with tax breaks and subsidies. We need more iteration and empiricism in policy to see what works and what doesn’t.
    I suspect the thing that will "break" minimum wage increases is the difficulty of convincing staff to take on extra responsibility and work unsocial hours at just above the minimum wage.

    The most impacted industries? Hospitality, and then healthcare/social care/nurseries which are all dependent on HMRC who seem oblivious to the conflict.
    My son manages the night shift in a well-known supermarket chain. The issue here is, as you say, that he is not on that much more than the staff he manages. Exacerbated by the fact that his pay rises are negotiated in October when the shelf-stackers get their rise in April.
    Working night shifts long term is seriously bad for health, comparable with smoking. Perhaps there should be a two tier minimum wage with a lower standard amount and something like standard + 30-40% for nighttime hours.
    There used to be, just the rights were eroded along with bank holiday pay, paid breaks and fixed hours.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,076
    edited November 2023
    The main argument against the minimum wage, historically, has been that it will price people out of employment and therefore increase the proportion unemployed.

    At current levels, with record employment, that has empirically been shown to be false. Equally, at £50k per year it's obvious it would be too high (at current prices). So let's gradually increase real minimum wages until we start to see a negative outcome.

    I would argue it encourages productivity in many sectors as it means capital expenditure is easier to justify to reduce labour reliance (and migration demands).

    I'm other areas (e.g. social care, childcare) there is less scope to improve efficiencies but at least those doing important jobs will be able to live slightly more easily.

    And if we go too far we can just freeze on real terms for a bit to rebalance.
  • TimS said:

    Taz said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Good of him to be so generous with other peoples' money.
    You would prefer tax payer's money being used to subsidise the wage bills of private companies?
    Which is exactly what happens now through the tax credits system. It will just happen a little less.
    Indeed. That is my point. I think the minimum wage is a great idea because the alternative is that other tax payers end up subsidising companies who can't be arsed to pay people a decent wage.
    This is where all parties becoming less binary about policies and less ideological would help. The minimum wage is an example of something where the existence isn’t the issue, it’s the rate. So you can keep pushing it up, experimentally, until there’s a material impact on unemployment. None yet.

    Same with certain taxes, and with tax breaks and subsidies. We need more iteration and empiricism in policy to see what works and what doesn’t.
    I suspect the thing that will "break" minimum wage increases is the difficulty of convincing staff to take on extra responsibility and work unsocial hours at just above the minimum wage.

    The most impacted industries? Hospitality, and then healthcare/social care/nurseries which are all dependent on HMRC who seem oblivious to the conflict.
    My son manages the night shift in a well-known supermarket chain. The issue here is, as you say, that he is not on that much more than the staff he manages. Exacerbated by the fact that his pay rises are negotiated in October when the shelf-stackers get their rise in April.
    Working night shifts long term is seriously bad for health, comparable with smoking. Perhaps there should be a two tier minimum wage with a lower standard amount and something like standard + 30-40% for nighttime hours.
    There used to be, just the rights were eroded along with bank holiday pay, paid breaks and fixed hours.
    Indeed. Lots of jobs now have unpaid lunch breaks, and retail workers generally get no Sunday uplift. When I was on rotating shifts, the international megacorp used to pay according to what shift was worked each month but they later ditched that for a fixed shift allowance.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    Does that mean the High Court has ruled that IDS is officially 'Tory scum'?

    Two protesters were “reasonable” in calling Iain Duncan Smith “Tory scum” outside the Conservative party conference, the high court has ruled..."
    The arsehole can wear a stupid hat but he’s still scum . Vile odious creep who cheered benefit cuts .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    .

    University Challenge viewers criticise ‘anti-Semitic’ blue octopus mascot as show is hit by backlash
    ...
    ...
    A BBC spokesperson said, “We are aware of a number of inaccurate claims being made online in relation to last night’s episode of University Challenge and we utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared.

    "For the avoidance of doubt, this episode was filmed in March. The mascot is one of many chosen by the team during the course of the series and is one of their favourite animals.

    "The jacket worn by one of the contestants was navy blue, orange, pink and green, bought from a High Street retailer. It has no connection to any flag.”

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

    Why is a blue octopus anti-semitic? Genuine question.
    Anti-Semitic trope is Jews are like octopus with tentacles wrapped around everything.
    It’s pretty universal..



    https://x.com/babadookspinoza/status/1715747419961405678?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    It is - but should we therefore be cancelling octopuses wholesale ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Have they been taken over by the DfE?
    It gets worse


    JUST IN : SAM ALTMAN & THE OPENAI BOARD HAVE AGAIN OPENED TALKS FOR BRINGING SAM BACK AS CEO
    Gosh, you're right.

    That's not the DfE.

    That's the Conservative Party.
    Except who is the Tories' widely loved leader that almost everyone wants back ?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    Ratters said:

    The main argument against the minimum wage, historically, has been that it will price people out of employment and therefore increase the proportion unemployed.

    At current levels, with record employment, that has empirically been shown to be false. Equally, at £50k per year it's obvious it would be too high (at current prices). So let's gradually increase real minimum wages until we start to see a negative outcome.

    I would argue it encourages productivity in many sectors as it means capital expenditure is easier to justify to reduce labour reliance (and migration demands).

    I'm other areas (e.g. social care, childcare) there is less scope to improve efficiencies but at least those doing important jobs will be able to live slightly more easily.

    And if we go too far we can just freeze on real terms for a bit to rebalance.

    The issue Fishing points to is a real one, despite the non-sequitur of a conclusion. With a rising minimum wage but suppressed pay for skilled occupations in Britain, there is a potential disincentive for people to up-skill and take on more responsibilities.

    The root of this problem is our shit economy, not the minimum wage. We don’t have enough high paid jobs. Our graduate premium has been falling for years, while the graduate premium in the rest of Europe has been more stable and in the US has actually been rising. That’s all because UK businesses and government don’t invest enough. So productivity is shit. So jobs are shit.

  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728
    On topic, I don't think it'll move any ratings of Farage. Most obviously because he's one of the few non-frontline politicians opinions are calcified on (those that are most likely to be unaware of him, the young, are the group most likely to be negative).

    Mainly though, because although I haven't watched IAMCGMOOHN for a good while, in its heyday there are two types of people who did well. Younger celebs who proved they were 'game', and older eccentric celebs with a distinctive persona that made them vaguely cult figures in their field who gained a wider audience. Think Tuffers or Shaun Ryder.

    I'd reckon the problem Farage will have is that he might just be a bit boring. He'll be smart enough to know his usual abrasive bombast and provocation won't work - it would be a recipe for becoming the show villain - but then what's left? The softer side of him being nice to people and dropping the politics stuff would be, well, a bit dull.

    Plus I gather he's not doing all the trials, and shirking them is a surefire way to tank your chances - and leaves you with less opportunity to impress people surprising the audience with your hardiness and teamwork.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Talks ?

    Negotiating a suitable severance package, then.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,618

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    I've always assumed it was to give them a better chance in the labour market. Too many would struggle to get jobs if the minimum wage was the same?
    In the Netherlands, the minimum wage is highly staggered. For 15-year-olds, it's only 30% of the adult minimum wage, rising to 50% at 18 and 100% at 21.
  • New Thread

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    TimS said:

    Ratters said:

    The main argument against the minimum wage, historically, has been that it will price people out of employment and therefore increase the proportion unemployed.

    At current levels, with record employment, that has empirically been shown to be false. Equally, at £50k per year it's obvious it would be too high (at current prices). So let's gradually increase real minimum wages until we start to see a negative outcome.

    I would argue it encourages productivity in many sectors as it means capital expenditure is easier to justify to reduce labour reliance (and migration demands).

    I'm other areas (e.g. social care, childcare) there is less scope to improve efficiencies but at least those doing important jobs will be able to live slightly more easily.

    And if we go too far we can just freeze on real terms for a bit to rebalance.

    The issue Fishing points to is a real one, despite the non-sequitur of a conclusion. With a rising minimum wage but suppressed pay for skilled occupations in Britain, there is a potential disincentive for people to up-skill and take on more responsibilities.

    The root of this problem is our shit economy, not the minimum wage. We don’t have enough high paid jobs. Our graduate premium has been falling for years, while the graduate premium in the rest of Europe has been more stable and in the US has actually been rising. That’s all because UK businesses and government don’t invest enough. So productivity is shit. So jobs are shit.

    On your first paragraph, I don't quite agree. Money is not the only incentive to up-skill and take more responsibility. More skilled jobs with more responsibility are usually more interesting and fulfilling, which can be reward in itself. Minimum wage jobs are usually pretty mundane and often dire; you can't wait for the working day to end.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241

    Selebian said:

    University Challenge viewers criticise ‘anti-Semitic’ blue octopus mascot as show is hit by backlash
    ...
    ...
    A BBC spokesperson said, “We are aware of a number of inaccurate claims being made online in relation to last night’s episode of University Challenge and we utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared.

    "For the avoidance of doubt, this episode was filmed in March. The mascot is one of many chosen by the team during the course of the series and is one of their favourite animals.

    "The jacket worn by one of the contestants was navy blue, orange, pink and green, bought from a High Street retailer. It has no connection to any flag.”

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/university-challenge-viewers-criticise-blue-octopus-mascot/

    Even worse to be expressing anti-Semitism in March, before the current conflict in Gaza :wink:

    I have informed my children that their favourite bath toy has now been cancelled :disappointed:
    You're cancelled as well for buying it for them.


    And Ringo Starr is in big trouble - a whole Garden of Octopuses.
    Although it’s funny how many times a “fun” blue octopus turns up as someone’s “favourite toy” in videos criticising Israel
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Have they been taken over by the DfE?
    It gets worse


    JUST IN : SAM ALTMAN & THE OPENAI BOARD HAVE AGAIN OPENED TALKS FOR BRINGING SAM BACK AS CEO
    Gosh, you're right.

    That's not the DfE.

    That's the Conservative Party.
    Except who is the Tories' widely loved leader that almost everyone wants back ?
    Thatcher.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779
    Selebian said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's business.

    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    Crikey! Have I woken up in 1997?
    Literally living the dream.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,779
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Hahaha


    “OpenAI's new CEO, Emmett Shear, who was appointed yesterday, is in talks to resign, per Bloomberg.”

    Have they been taken over by the DfE?
    It gets worse


    JUST IN : SAM ALTMAN & THE OPENAI BOARD HAVE AGAIN OPENED TALKS FOR BRINGING SAM BACK AS CEO
    Meanwhile at MS HQ :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67484455

    "Microsoft offers to match pay of all OpenAI staff"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,908
    edited November 2023
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
    If they don't perform CEOs are swiftly removed by their board and shareholders.

    Shareholders also veto bonuses if the share price hasn't performed well
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,806
    Odd isn’t it? Dorries, Hancock, Stanley Johnson, Farage…..

    It’s almost like the producers have an agenda of rehabilitating right wing politicians
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
    If they don't perform CEOs are swiftly removed by their board and shareholders.

    Shareholders also veto bonuses if the share price hasn't performed well
    Dream on!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
    If they don't perform CEOs are swiftly removed by their board and shareholders.

    Shareholders also veto bonuses if the share price hasn't performed well
    Sometimes.

    "And how much would like like on your way out? And shares, is £5 million in shares OK? Oh, and you can keep the Jaguar, is it a nice enough model, or would you prefer a new one?"
  • Good morning, everyone.

    Good news! The Guardian puts a little numerical meat on the "30-50% of medieval Europe killed, black women most affected" story from yesterday.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/21/women-with-black-african-ancestry-at-greater-risk-when-plague-hit-london

    "The results reveal nine plague victims appeared to be of African heritage..."

    "While the sample size is small, the team say the findings show a higher proportion of people thought to have Black African heritage in the plague burials compared to the non-plague burials."

    Using tiny numbers of people who may or may not belong to a certain group is neither mathematically nor historically sound. But the blithering about how diverse the country was does rather betray that this is an a priori rather than a posteriori approach to disseminating an opinion. When tens of thousands die and fewer than 10 were maybe black women, that's not a powerful argument, except that the Museum of London has money to burn.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,908
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
    If they don't perform CEOs are swiftly removed by their board and shareholders.

    Shareholders also veto bonuses if the share price hasn't performed well
    Dream on!
    "Netflix shareholders reject sky-high executive pay packages | CNN Business" https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/02/investing/netflix-shareholders-executive-pay/index.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,371
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
    If they don't perform CEOs are swiftly removed by their board and shareholders.

    Shareholders also veto bonuses if the share price hasn't performed well
    Dream on!
    "Netflix shareholders reject sky-high executive pay packages | CNN Business" https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/02/investing/netflix-shareholders-executive-pay/index.html
    One company, fighting against bankruptcy?

    Is that really the best you can manage as evidence?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,908
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    maxh said:

    Fishing said:

    dixiedean said:

    The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year. The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23. But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

    Not before time.
    The age discrimination that is.
    It should apply to all workers, 16+. No idea why younger people should receive less for doing the same job.
    The minimum wage should be scrapped entirely. If somebody wants to pay someone £5/hr and they want to work for that, it should be none of the government's
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity, reduces the incentive on the unskilled to upskill themselves, gums up the labour market, increases unemployment, is costly to administer and, because many of those on it are second earners in households, is a very inefficient way of reducing poverty.
    It also breaks the crucial link between earnings and productivity

    You don’t need the minimum wage to
    do that for you: average CEO pay of £4m will do that nicely https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/07/ftse-100-executive-pay-rose-23-per-cent-4m-2022?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Well obviously he deserves the loot.

    Rich people need to be paid more to motivate them, poor people need to be paid less to motivate them. The two situations are quite clearly different.
    We should put all CEOs on performance related pay.

    Given most of them are loaded from childhood, the amount they have to pay us for their shit performance would soon destroy inherited wealth in this country.
    If they don't perform CEOs are swiftly removed by their board and shareholders.

    Shareholders also veto bonuses if the share price hasn't performed well
    Dream on!
    "Netflix shareholders reject sky-high executive pay packages | CNN Business" https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/02/investing/netflix-shareholders-executive-pay/index.html
    One company, fighting against bankruptcy?

    Is that really the best you can manage as evidence?
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/26/executive-pay-big-names-that-fell-foul-of-shareholders
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