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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,130
    Plus side: my mother-in-law is into rugby enough to watch the final even though Ireland aren't playing.

    Negative side: my wife wants to go to a Palestine solidarity protest.
  • Pulpstar said:

    The red card threshold seems madly low in Union now. Like a sport terrified of injury lawyers

    TSE's an OK sort of chap.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    Ireland were better than NZ until they actually had to play them in a knock out match. So on my crazy metric of who is better then I would say NZ were better.
  • Trump: “This is a fight between good and evil”

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1718350363927937084

    Hold the front page, Trump has actually said something correct for once!

    Of course he's reading it verbatim from the teleprompters because it was written for him. Shame his actual thoughts are more like calling Hezbollah "very smart" for attacking Israel.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,099

    isam said:

    Word on the street is there’s a new political party looking to be registered. Maybe a false flag, but I reckon there will be one winning seats in the next decade or so



    https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/party-registration-applications/view-current-applications

    “Lingure”
    I know it’s meant to be linger. But I really wish it was a typo for lingerie!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,722

    MattW said:

    Trials start this week in Colorado and Minnesota as to whether the US Constitutional bar on insurrectionists being US Officers applies to Mr Chump standing for the Presidency.

    Timing driven by a desire to have hearings and Appeals done before the formal process starts.

    Unlikely to succeed, but interesting if we get dozens of them.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/27/trump-14th-amendment-colorado-minnesota/

    Surely he needs to be a convicted insurrectionist for any bar to apply?
    We find out ... eventually.

    Presumably that is determined somewhere in the process.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979

    Pulpstar said:

    The red card threshold seems madly low in Union now. Like a sport terrified of injury lawyers

    It’s a project aiming to lower players tackling, but players seem resistant to change, brought up as they are on the culture of the dominant tackle.

    To be honest slo mo replays don’t help. Makes many split second things look worse than the full speed version.
    I thought the Saffet duked into him tbh, on his original line the NZ player would have been bent and hinged. I saw a wrap of sorts too. Definitely a yellow but not a red.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
  • biggles said:

    Leon said:

    TwiX is telling me 300,000-500,000 marched in London today for Palestine

    That’s huge if so. Is it true? Hard to gauge the accuracy

    In my expertise, every march in London ever claims at least half a million. I’ve given up trying to guess is it’s true.

    However, a friend told me it was quite intimidating. I think it was the swastikas they found most intimidating mind.
    Interestingly, these days, with drones (or an helicopter) and the right software, you could count the crowd quite accurately. Sort of thing the BBC could and should do.
    I was on one of the earlier anti-Iraq War marches, before the big one, but I was late and we joined the march part way through, and ended up leaving it before the end. Bit of a fiasco really, so the sense in which there is one true number of people on a march is quite fluid, quite apart from all the bystanders.

    I don't think software would really get you that much better a count then simply measuring the length of the march and estimating its density.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_counting
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a7121/the-curious-science-of-counting-a-crowd/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HGXTMoGWGA
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,130

    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    TwiX is telling me 300,000-500,000 marched in London today for Palestine

    That’s huge if so. Is it true? Hard to gauge the accuracy

    In my expertise, every march in London ever claims at least half a million. I’ve given up trying to guess is it’s true.

    However, a friend told me it was quite intimidating. I think it was the swastikas they found most intimidating mind.
    Interestingly, these days, with drones (or an helicopter) and the right software, you could count the crowd quite accurately. Sort of thing the BBC could and should do.
    I was on one of the earlier anti-Iraq War marches, before the big one, but I was late and we joined the march part way through, and ended up leaving it before the end. Bit of a fiasco really, so the sense in which there is one true number of people on a march is quite fluid, quite apart from all the bystanders.

    I don't think software would really get you that much better a count then simply measuring the length of the march and estimating its density.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_counting
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a7121/the-curious-science-of-counting-a-crowd/
    The Guardian have said 100,000 so I assume the half a million claims are complete cobblers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    Is this final going to end as a game of sevens?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    Fuck me that must be a red
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    Commentary team must be watching a different match
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck me that must be a red

    He barely if at all made head contact, the NZ head moved more by the collision than contact to head. Kolisi was also bent down into the tackle as opposed to Cane’s tackle.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    boulay said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck me that must be a red

    He barely if at all made head contact, the NZ head moved more by the collision than contact to head. Kolisi was also bent down into the tackle as opposed to Cane’s tackle.
    Yeah I saw a yellow
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    There have been maybe seven better games in this World Cup.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    There have been maybe seven better games in this World Cup.
    Yep. Minute 50 and no tries. Indeed not one single impressive backline sequence
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    edited October 2023
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    So you really want sport as a spectacle rather than sport played with all the methods available to teams in the game they play. I want to see two good teams having gone through the mill using every style, technique, effort to win that match. Otherwise may as well just watch the Harlem Globetrotters or friendlies in rugby with the Baa-baas.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    Equally, football finals are often poor. It's partly a function of too much being at stake, and it becoming risk averse and attritional. Also expectations are very high that the final is the peak of the tournament, when actually the "real" final may well have happened a couple of rounds ago.

    There can be superb finals in all sports, of course, but on average they disappoint.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    So you really want sport as a spectacle rather than sport played with all the methods available to teams in the game they play. I want to see two good teams having gone through the mill using every style, technique, effort to win that match. Otherwise may as well just watch the Harlem Globetrotters or friendliest in rugby with the Baa-baas.
    What are you blithering on about?

    This is just not a good game. That happens. Some World Cup finals are epic. This is mediocre

    And the fact it is NZ v SA is not helping, detracting from the atmos and they are two SH teams who play each other a lot and have similar styles
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    Equally, football finals are often poor. It's partly a function of too much being at stake, and it becoming risk averse and attritional. Also expectations are very high that the final is the peak of the tournament, when actually the "real" final may well have happened a couple of rounds ago.

    There can be superb finals in all sports, of course, but on average they disappoint.
    Also it’s very attritional so everyone is knackered by the final. If theoretically there was a break of a month before the final you would get a much better display but that’s not what tournament sport is about.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    OK that was a brilliant try!

    Much needed
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    Challenging conversion.....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    Equally, football finals are often poor. It's partly a function of too much being at stake, and it becoming risk averse and attritional. Also expectations are very high that the final is the peak of the tournament, when actually the "real" final may well have happened a couple of rounds ago.

    There can be superb finals in all sports, of course, but on average they disappoint.
    Wimbledon mens final this year was epic
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    lol no
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Game over

    What a damp squib for rugby

    The draw was nuts. Should be Ireland or France in this final, or both, not the stupid kiwis

    Tough - both lost their matches, which is how rugby works. Would you prefer an invitation only final to the ‘prettiest’ teams?
    NZ are only here coz they played ONE good match - against Ireland

    Rugby really needs more depth
    So I think there are probably six sides who could realistically have been winners of the World Cup. How many for football? About the same.

    It’s a feature of elite sport. Ireland blew it. France blew it. England blew it too. And so here we are with the two best teams in the Workd Cup, playing in the final.
    Ireland and France are both better than NZ

    Also more fun. And with much bigger more extrovert support, which would have made for a more compelling, entertaining final

    Ireland v France would have been incredible. Stade de France a cauldron of noise. This is just quiet and shit. And it’s not even good rugby

    It’s a poor turn out for the sport, I am afraid to say, and I love top level rugby union
    It's not unusual in any major sporting tournaments for the final not to involve the two best teams/players nor the third place play off to not involve numbers three and four. Draws open up, some people are a bit lucky, games happen in the quarter finals that would grace a final. But isn't that part of the joy of it?
    I’m moaning as a neutral. This is not a great spectacle in terms of atmos nor a great advert for the sport as sport. And it is in Paris at the Stade de France, what a waste

    It’s a damn shame, it’s almost as bad as rugby league
    So you really want sport as a spectacle rather than sport played with all the methods available to teams in the game they play. I want to see two good teams having gone through the mill using every style, technique, effort to win that match. Otherwise may as well just watch the Harlem Globetrotters or friendliest in rugby with the Baa-baas.
    What are you blithering on about?

    This is just not a good game. That happens. Some World Cup finals are epic. This is mediocre

    And the fact it is NZ v SA is not helping, detracting from the atmos and they are two SH teams who play each other a lot and have similar styles
    Patience.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,130
    The game needed a try and it's been cancelled. Argh, what a mess.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    Ooh forward
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,555
    Ukraine, US cooperate to retrofit Soviet-era air defenses with Western missiles

    FrankenSAM program combines Buk launchers with US Sea Sparrow missiles in one version, and Soviet-era radars with AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles in another, NYT reported.

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1718356953397678156
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    I saw two forward passes there?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    If NZ contrive to win this despite being a man down that will be something
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Hard to control the ball with its funny shape.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    Lol entertaining game of sevens there while the forwards took a breather
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    God this is dull
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    edited October 2023
    England would have won with Barnes. Not because he's English but he doesn't blow quickly for scrum pens
  • kinabalu said:

    Hard to control the ball with its funny shape.

    William Webb Ellis managed to hold onto a proper ball. Why did they need to change it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    Worst World Cup final ever?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    We're at the point where a yellow is effectively a red now
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,130

    kinabalu said:

    Hard to control the ball with its funny shape.

    William Webb Ellis managed to hold onto a proper ball. Why did they need to change it?
    Needed to differentiate themselves from Gaelic Football.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    Leon said:

    Worst World Cup final ever?

    2011 NZ v France 8-7.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Worst World Cup final ever?

    2011 NZ v France 8-7.
    Fair enough. That sounds bad
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    Mail on Sunday saying it has been told that 31st Oct 2024 has been pencilled in as GE day...

    Danger. The emergency destruct system is now activated. The ship will detonate in T-minus... one year
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    Looks like Mike Pence's chance is less than I suggested earlier. Not the first time I called it wrong.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Worst World Cup final ever?

    2011 NZ v France 8-7.
    Fair enough. That sounds bad
    Yup, but it’s one of the three wins on the sleeve of the All Blacks players and nobody gives a crap how bad the match was, they won the World Cup final.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    These feeble drop goal attempts. Amateur hour
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    Lol that was so shit
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,808

    AP (via Seattle Times) - Former Vice President Mike Pence ends campaign for the White House after struggling to gain traction.

    D'y'know, I'm oddly sad at that. He wasn't brilliant but when the shit hit the fan he did the right thing. He did it in an anguished way and had to have his spine stiffened by Omigod Dan Quayle, but did it he did and did it when it counts whilst under great pressure not to. Good on him and I hope he has a good time in retirement.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    Free Palestine Crowd estimates

    the BBC are saying anything up to 10
    sky "news" are saying over 100
    GB "news" are saying 5 black/brown people [all "benefit scrounging illegals"]
    SKS on orders from Trevor Chinn is saying nothing behind his sofa, screaming at a picture of Corbyn and rocking back and forth
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419

    Free Palestine Crowd estimates

    the BBC are saying anything up to 10
    sky "news" are saying over 100
    GB "news" are saying 5 black/brown people [all "benefit scrounging illegals"]
    SKS on orders from Trevor Chinn is saying nothing behind his sofa, screaming at a picture of Corbyn and rocking back and forth

    Everyone else watching the rugby and having a break from that shit.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    I think SA won the QF, SF, and the F all by 1 pt?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    God, that was baaaaaaaaaaaad
  • viewcode said:

    Mail on Sunday saying it has been told that 31st Oct 2024 has been pencilled in as GE day...

    Danger. The emergency destruct system is now activated. The ship will detonate in T-minus... one year
    I assume the prospect of a trick or treat election has been aired upthread.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    Hey, we lost to the winners....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,266
    Which team was Federer supporting?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    I was at Dodworth MW vs Frickley Ath today I estimate the Crowd was 1.2m but the official attendance was 72

    Must be a tax fiddle
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    Leon said:

    God, that was baaaaaaaaaaaad

    Won by an illegal turnover
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195
    Not a vintage game. More a table,wine.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,349
    kinabalu said:

    I think SA won the QF, SF, and the F all by 1 pt?

    They did.
    That's some effort.
    Simply remarkable.
    They've won the WC without being the best team.
    And with the burden of being defending champions.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    kinabalu said:

    I think SA won the QF, SF, and the F all by 1 pt?

    Will it be like GE 2024 Keir gets 326???
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,640
    boulay said:

    Free Palestine Crowd estimates

    the BBC are saying anything up to 10
    sky "news" are saying over 100
    GB "news" are saying 5 black/brown people [all "benefit scrounging illegals"]
    SKS on orders from Trevor Chinn is saying nothing behind his sofa, screaming at a picture of Corbyn and rocking back and forth

    Everyone else watching the rugby and having a break from that shit.
    Shite game

    How many tries?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,212
    SA fluke their way to the WC .



  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,552
    Not the best match I've seen, but SA are worthy champions IMO, beat France, England and NZ. That's three very difficult matches they came through.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Which team was Federer supporting?

    Think he’s vaguely South African isn’t he?

    His Mother is Afrikaans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer

    Is it crazy that I posted the first line there, then looked it up to see if it was true? Why didn’t I just look it up first?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,266
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Which team was Federer supporting?

    Think he’s vaguely South African isn’t he?
    Oh yes, one of his parents.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,607

    boulay said:

    Free Palestine Crowd estimates

    the BBC are saying anything up to 10
    sky "news" are saying over 100
    GB "news" are saying 5 black/brown people [all "benefit scrounging illegals"]
    SKS on orders from Trevor Chinn is saying nothing behind his sofa, screaming at a picture of Corbyn and rocking back and forth

    Everyone else watching the rugby and having a break from that shit.
    Shite game

    How many tries?
    There speaks a football supporter!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368

    viewcode said:

    Mail on Sunday saying it has been told that 31st Oct 2024 has been pencilled in as GE day...

    Danger. The emergency destruct system is now activated. The ship will detonate in T-minus... one year
    I assume the prospect of a trick or treat election has been aired upthread.
    The trick is for the Government with no spare cash to treat the voters to lots of bribes.

    YUUUUUUUGE tax cuts offered by Rishi - for 2025, 2026, 2027......
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,212
    MaxPB said:

    Not the best match I've seen, but SA are worthy champions IMO, beat France, England and NZ. That's three very difficult matches they came through.

    Worthy ! They were lucky to win any of those . Dreadful negative rugby .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,607
    Well, someone had to win it. Could easily have been NZ, or France or Ireland or even England. Closest WC for ages.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    MaxPB said:

    Not the best match I've seen, but SA are worthy champions IMO, beat France, England and NZ. That's three very difficult matches they came through.

    It was like a really crap game on a muddy pitch in the Five Nations in about 1988

    It won’t have won any converts to the sport. And the atmosphere was mournful due to the absence of France, Ireland (or England or Wales)

    2/10. Pretty dismal

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Which team was Federer supporting?

    Think he’s vaguely South African isn’t he?
    Oh yes, one of his parents.
    South African mum
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,362
    MaxPB said:

    Not the best match I've seen, but SA are worthy champions IMO, beat France, England and NZ. That's three very difficult matches they came through.

    Worth watching for Faf de Klerk's performance alone.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    F1 qualifying on atm
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,611
    A

    viewcode said:

    Mail on Sunday saying it has been told that 31st Oct 2024 has been pencilled in as GE day...

    Danger. The emergency destruct system is now activated. The ship will detonate in T-minus... one year
    I assume the prospect of a trick or treat election has been aired upthread.
    The trick is for the Government with no spare cash to treat the voters to lots of bribes.

    YUUUUUUUGE tax cuts offered by Rishi - for 2025, 2026, 2027......
    Enormous…. Tracts of land?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Which team was Federer supporting?

    Think he’s vaguely South African isn’t he?

    His Mother is Afrikaans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer

    Is it crazy that I posted the first line there, then looked it up to see if it was true? Why didn’t I just look it up first?
    You were keen to get in. I'm just the same sometimes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    edited October 2023

    kinabalu said:

    I think SA won the QF, SF, and the F all by 1 pt?

    Will it be like GE 2024 Keir gets 326???
    Way things are going that could be the majority.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Which team was Federer supporting?

    Think he’s vaguely South African isn’t he?

    His Mother is Afrikaans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer

    Is it crazy that I posted the first line there, then looked it up to see if it was true? Why didn’t I just look it up first?
    You were keen to get in. I'm just the same sometimes.
    I think I wanted to be right without looking it up. It only takes 10 secs to google so I’d still have been first in I reckon
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I think SA won the QF, SF, and the F all by 1 pt?

    Will it be like GE 2024 Keir gets 326???
    Way things are going that could be the majority.
    It's good for LAB posters on here to be positive. Watford have gone three games without losing so anything is possible 👍
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses
  • Pence withdraws from race for Republican nomination.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,497
    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    Nketiah nails goal of the month....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Rory Stewart has just descended seventeen levels of estimation. I quite liked him, despite his stupid posh affectations. But this is ugly, nasty, and vile. “Terrible human being”. FFS
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,349
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Merely stop worshipping the posh.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,266
    What was the best match of the rugby world cup?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,611
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Merely stop worshipping the posh.
    And stop worshiping people. Gods are bad enough.

    Apart from Crom.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the best match of the rugby world cup?

    France v Boks. The first half was some of the best rugby I have ever seen, anywhere
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Rory Stewart has just descended seventeen levels of estimation. I quite liked him, despite his stupid posh affectations. But this is ugly, nasty, and vile. “Terrible human being”. FFS
    Bit much maybe. 'Nasty piece of work' would have sufficed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,808

    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Merely stop worshipping the posh.
    And stop worshiping people. Gods are bad enough.

    Apart from Crom.
    "What is best in life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of their women"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,368
    edited October 2023
    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I have no doubt that a very large number of Conservative MPs would echo that "terrible human being" line. But he was also a vote-winning machine - and many are about to discover that he added 10k to their majorities.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,778
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Rory Stewart has just descended seventeen levels of estimation. I quite liked him, despite his stupid posh affectations. But this is ugly, nasty, and vile. “Terrible human being”. FFS
    Bit much maybe. 'Nasty piece of work' would have sufficed.
    Yes

    “Terrible human being” is what you say about people beyond moral redemption, guilty of the most atrocious sins. Actual genocidal dictators, actual mass murderers

    What would this anorexic Etonian gargoyle say if he met an actual “terrible human being”? Oh he was “not a nice chap”?

    Posho Fuckwit
  • kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Rory Stewart has just descended seventeen levels of estimation. I quite liked him, despite his stupid posh affectations. But this is ugly, nasty, and vile. “Terrible human being”. FFS
    Bit much maybe. 'Nasty piece of work' would have sufficed.
    @Leon's OK, no need for such language.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,419
    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    You don’t prolong a career in media by being a bit “Boris was a bit of a knob with his heart in the right place outside of marriage and was a lazy egotistical sod”.

    If you put Boris up there with Idi Amin however you get dinner with Mishal Husain, ten years of BBC docs where you walk around countries and museums wearing desert boots and a Keffiyeh emoting on how ancient civilisations can teach us so much about how British people should be ashamed that they weren’t as loving as ancient cultures.

    It’s the only way anyone called Rory can be taken seriously outside of a Scottish public school rugby team.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,979
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What was the best match of the rugby world cup?

    France v Boks. The first half was some of the best rugby I have ever seen, anywhere
    NZ Ire, Eng SA, Fra SA all much better
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,840
    edited October 2023
    Pulpstar said:

    England would have won with Barnes. Not because he's English but he doesn't blow quickly for scrum pens

    Barnes was one of the all time great players, one of my favourites when I was a kid, but isn't he 59 now and long retired from football?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,555
    Cosplaying President is likely as close as he’ll ever get to the WH.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1718027396199129276
    Israel’s Consul General says Ron Desantis is lying when he claimed that he sent weapons and equipment to Israel, saying it is “bizarre to think that someone is procuring weapons and sending them to Israel. This is not how we work.”
  • boulay said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    You don’t prolong a career in media by being a bit “Boris was a bit of a knob with his heart in the right place outside of marriage and was a lazy egotistical sod”.

    If you put Boris up there with Idi Amin however you get dinner with Mishal Husain, ten years of BBC docs where you walk around countries and museums wearing desert boots and a Keffiyeh emoting on how ancient civilisations can teach us so much about how British people should be ashamed that they weren’t as loving as ancient cultures.

    It’s the only way anyone called Rory can be taken seriously outside of a Scottish public school rugby team.
    I'm obviously a hopeless cynic, but I tend to think anyone as highly-rated as Rory must by definition be overrated.
  • kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    I know many will agree with this, but this seems to me a disgraceful thing to say, courtesy of Rory Stewart


    Rory Stewart: ‘I fought an existential fight against Boris Johnson, who is a terrible human being’

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/10/28/rory-stewart-i-fought-an-existential-fight-against-boris-johnson-who-is-a-terrible-human-being/

    Adolf Hitler was a “terrible human being”

    Fred West was a “terrible human being”

    Saddam Hussein was a “terrible human being”

    Jimmy Savile etc etc

    Boris Johnson? Really? Really?? OK he’s a lazy narcissist, maybe even a charlatan, maybe a mountebank, a cad, a liar, but “a terrible human being”? No. No no no. This reflects badly on Stewart, it cheapens and coarsens debate and makes Stewart look as guilty as those he accuses

    I suspect they are more similar than either would like to admit.

    Perhaps if we could stop worshipping posh boys who have read the classics, we would be better all around.
    Rory Stewart has just descended seventeen levels of estimation. I quite liked him, despite his stupid posh affectations. But this is ugly, nasty, and vile. “Terrible human being”. FFS
    Bit much maybe. 'Nasty piece of work' would have sufficed.
    Indeed, a nasty piece of work who could be quite charismatic too. A politician in other words.

    Blair was the same, and Starmer is too.

    To thrive in politics you need a mix of charisma and nastiness.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048
    Nigelb said:

    Cosplaying President is likely as close as he’ll ever get to the WH.

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1718027396199129276
    Israel’s Consul General says Ron Desantis is lying when he claimed that he sent weapons and equipment to Israel, saying it is “bizarre to think that someone is procuring weapons and sending them to Israel. This is not how we work.”

    I can't believe it's allowed for a *State* Governor to get involved in sending weapons to a foreign government?
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