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  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Is anyone else as puzzled asI am at the 10% LDs who read the Mail?

    I think a surprisingly (to us) large proportion of the people who still buy newspapers aren't actually interested in politics. They might go and do their democratic duty come voting day, but politics barely crosses their mind on a day-to-day basis. They only buy the newspaper for the crossword, cartoons, gossip or astrology columns.
    Hmmm. So you’re saying political parties need to get into the astrology racket?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    So it was 36 overs in the end. Not England’s best day, and lots of thinking required before the next game.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2023
    The accounting officer assessment for the continuation of HS2 from Euston to Birmingham and Handsacre has been published.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-major-projects-portfolio-accounting-officer-assessments/continuing-investment-in-hs2-phase-1-accounting-officer-assessment-october-2023

    The benefit to cost ratio is between 1.2 and 1.8 of 8 trains an hour.

    However costs exclude sunk costs; and cancellation and remediation costs of the counterfactual of stopping phase 1 have been included.

    Euston costs are still included.

    Effectively this shows that phase has passed the stage of no return and it is better continuating than not.

    However the BCR over the total costs of phase 1 alone must be dire.

    It is still proposed to spend £12b on the Phase 2b section effectively as part of the Manchester to Liverpool new build. This is the most expensive section of phase 2b as a result of tunnelling under South Manchester and Piccadilly extension.

    So what Sunak has actually cancelled is the relatively cheap element of HS2 through fields between Handsacre and Hulseheath, plus a reduced Euston station.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    algarkirk said:

    The incremental smoking ban. Have we considered this:

    Under the proposed ban, someone who was born on or after 1 January 2009 will never legally be allowed to buy tobacco. But, SFAICS, there is no parallel provision about use.

    So, one day in about 2106 a 98 year old will be nipping out with his birth certificate to buy fags for a 97 year old.

    More seriously, it is apparently possible to buy cigarettes online. What will prevent people continuing to do so, either from the UK or abroad?

    These type of bans aren't ever really about making it impossible to ever buy them, its more about putting barriers in the way that make it harder, so much less likely people start in the first place. The like the other end of the telescope of how online shopping has been optimised to make it as frictionless as possible. This kind of policy just introduces a load of extra friction to the process with the hope that people just don't get started.
    https://samf.substack.com/p/ordeals-and-the-empathy-gap
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited October 2023

    Is anyone else as puzzled asI am at the 10% LDs who read the Mail?

    I think a surprisingly (to us) large proportion of the people who still buy newspapers aren't actually interested in politics. They might go and do their democratic duty come voting day, but politics barely crosses their mind on a day-to-day basis. They only buy the newspaper for the crossword, cartoons, gossip or astrology columns.
    I would also suggest with the Mail, although a certain section of population look their nose down at it / bang on about the support for Brown shirts etc, I think for many its a middle ground between the red top tabloids and broadsheets in terms of "readability" and sections provdied. There isn't really any competitors now in that space.

    Also, just because somebody reads it doesn't mean they agree with say Mail's "keen" focus on immigration.

    I often read the Guardian, but don't agree with a lot of it or end up rolling my eyes are what I consider the more nonsense stuff.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited October 2023
    Cyclefree said:

    If smoking is banned it undermines the case for liberalisation of drugs laws, which I seem to recall quite a few posters on here are in favour of.

    The one position I don't understand is people who are fanatically anti-tobacco smoking and fanatically pro-all other types of drugs. (which seems to accurately describe the views of a lot of people in North America).
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    A lot going on for political junkies over the next week .

    Todays Rutherglen by-election .

    The Labour Party conference .

    Next Monday to Wednesday the Supreme Court hear the governments appeal .

    They have now allocated the 5 judges there . Some interesting background on the judges and notable cases they’ve overseen later for those interested .



  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    algarkirk said:

    The incremental smoking ban. Have we considered this:

    Under the proposed ban, someone who was born on or after 1 January 2009 will never legally be allowed to buy tobacco. But, SFAICS, there is no parallel provision about use.

    So, one day in about 2106 a 98 year old will be nipping out with his birth certificate to buy fags for a 97 year old.

    More seriously, it is apparently possible to buy cigarettes online. What will prevent people continuing to do so, either from the UK or abroad?

    These type of bans aren't ever really about making it impossible to ever buy them, its more about putting barriers in the way that make it harder, so much less likely people start in the first place. The like the other end of the telescope of how online shopping has been optimised to make it as frictionless as possible. This kind of policy just introduces a load of extra friction to the process with the hope that people just don't get started.
    Have them sold only by pharmacists, along with all of the other currently-illegal drugs.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    The accounting officer assessment for the continuation of HS2 from Euston to Birmingham and Handsacre has been published.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-major-projects-portfolio-accounting-officer-assessments/continuing-investment-in-hs2-phase-1-accounting-officer-assessment-october-2023

    The benefit to cost ratio is between 1.2 and 1.8 of 8 trains an hour.

    However costs exclude sunk costs and cancellation and remediation costs of the counterfactual of stopping phase 1 have been included.

    Euston costs are still included.

    Effectively this shows that phase has passed the stage of no return and it is better continuating than not.

    However the BCR over the total costs of phase 1 alone must be dire.

    It is still proposed to spend £12b on the Phase 2b section effectively as part of the Manchester to Liverpool new build. This is the most expensive section of phase 2b as a result of tunnelling under South Manchester and Piccadilly extension.

    So what Sunak has actually cancelled is the relatively cheap element of HS2 through fields between Handsacre and Hulseheath, plus a reduced Euston station.

    Yep - the only saving is in Euston and that destroys the viability of the whole scheme.

    I'm not kidding when I say move Parliament to Bradford and watch how quickly the whole of HS2 and NPR reappears...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Is anyone else as puzzled asI am at the 10% LDs who read the Mail?

    I think a surprisingly (to us) large proportion of the people who still buy newspapers aren't actually interested in politics. They might go and do their democratic duty come voting day, but politics barely crosses their mind on a day-to-day basis. They only buy the newspaper for the crossword, cartoons, gossip or astrology columns.
    I would also suggest with the Mail, although a certain section of population look their nose down at it / bang on about the support for Brown shirts etc, I think for many its a middle ground between the red top rags and broadsheets in terms of "readability". There isn't really any competitors now in that space.
    Yup. It always was, and I think remains, the metaphorical “house wives’ favourite”. You can see that when you skim through it.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986

    Olaf Scholz is refusing to send Ukraine powerful Taurus cruise missiles, Germany’s equivalent of Britain’s Storm Shadows, out of fear that they will be used to attack the Kerch bridge.

    The German chancellor is resisting pressure from Britain and Ukraine to deliver the missiles, the German newspaper Bild reported, despite reassurances from London that they would only be fired at targets approved by Berlin.

    Mr Scholz is particularly concerned that Kyiv would use Taurus missiles, which have a range of 310 miles, to target the Kerch bridge linking Russia with occupied Crimea, Der Spiegel reported.

    ---

    He is worried they might use them to win the war....

    Like musical statues. He doesn't want to be the one wobbling around holding a Taurus missile when the music stops. Far better to let the Brits and French take the flak.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,051
    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    The incremental smoking ban. Have we considered this:

    Under the proposed ban, someone who was born on or after 1 January 2009 will never legally be allowed to buy tobacco. But, SFAICS, there is no parallel provision about use.

    So, one day in about 2106 a 98 year old will be nipping out with his birth certificate to buy fags for a 97 year old.

    More seriously, it is apparently possible to buy cigarettes online. What will prevent people continuing to do so, either from the UK or abroad?

    These type of bans aren't ever really about making it impossible to ever buy them, its more about putting barriers in the way that make it harder, so much less likely people start in the first place. The like the other end of the telescope of how online shopping has been optimised to make it as frictionless as possible. This kind of policy just introduces a load of extra friction to the process with the hope that people just don't get started.
    Have them sold only by pharmacists, along with all of the other currently-illegal drugs.
    New Zealand, who pioneered this year-by-year approach, has a broader set of policies that have included making cigarettes available in far fewer places. So, yes, that would be a sensible complement.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    OOPS. I thought 282 would be enough. Apparently not 😡.

    And I have forecast LAB to win tonight. Are LAB getting nervous now?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    New Zealand win. By 9 wickets.
    Dreadful start by the holders in their defence of the cricket 50 overs World Cup.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Andy_JS said:

    Cyclefree said:

    If smoking is banned it undermines the case for liberalisation of drugs laws, which I seem to recall quite a few posters on here are in favour of.

    The one position I don't understand is people who are fanatically anti-smoking and fanatically pro-all other types of drugs. (which seems to accurately describe the views of a lot of people in North America).
    I used to be in favour of legalising cannabis until I went to Canada post-legalisation and smelt it everywhere. I am now only in favour if they get rid of the god awful smell.

    I don’t have to smell cocaine.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Sandpit said:

    So it was 36 overs in the end. Not England’s best day, and lots of thinking required before the next game.

    The only encouragement is that half way through the group stage in 2019 it looked like we wouldn't make it. But that turned out ok.

    It's a hammering but only one game.
  • New Zealand win. By 9 wickets.
    Dreadful start by the holders in their defence of the cricket 50 overs World Cup.

    As I have always said (don't check yesterday's threads...), scrap 50 ODIs, waste of time, nobody is interested, nobody goes, rubbish. More T20 and of course (my fav....) Hundred....
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    New Zealand win. By 9 wickets.
    Dreadful start by the holders in their defence of the cricket 50 overs World Cup.

    It’ll be fine. We started slow last time.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    New Zealand win. By 9 wickets.
    Dreadful start by the holders in their defence of the cricket 50 overs World Cup.

    As I have always said (don't check yesterday's threads...), scrap 50 ODIs, waste of time, nobody is interested, nobody goes, rubbish. More T20 and of course (my fav....) Hundred....
    Yes it’s a devalued format. Let’s make the last winners champions eternal and close down this World Cup to save money.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    edited October 2023

    Olaf Scholz is refusing to send Ukraine powerful Taurus cruise missiles, Germany’s equivalent of Britain’s Storm Shadows, out of fear that they will be used to attack the Kerch bridge.

    The German chancellor is resisting pressure from Britain and Ukraine to deliver the missiles, the German newspaper Bild reported, despite reassurances from London that they would only be fired at targets approved by Berlin.

    Mr Scholz is particularly concerned that Kyiv would use Taurus missiles, which have a range of 310 miles, to target the Kerch bridge linking Russia with occupied Crimea, Der Spiegel reported.

    ---

    He is worried they might use them to win the war....

    Damn right they want to bomb the Kerch Bridge.

    What does Herr Scholz think that Ukraine wants to do with missiles, park them in the square in Kiev and have Zelensky admire them from the palace?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748

    Who could have predicted this?


    BREAKING

    After just 24 hours, the government has dropped its commitment to reopen the Leamside Line. It was included yesterday in the initial Network North announcements, now it’s gone.

    Roads minister Richard Holden tells me Govt is now just ‘committed to looking into it’.

    Furious reaction already. @henrimurison says this announcement makes the entirety of Network North a ‘fairytale’.


    https://twitter.com/danhollandnews/status/1709908649177461048

    I don't believe they're really committed to looking into it. I suspect that's just an aspiration.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    This thread has gone the way of the Leamside line

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    biggles said:

    Is anyone else as puzzled asI am at the 10% LDs who read the Mail?

    I think a surprisingly (to us) large proportion of the people who still buy newspapers aren't actually interested in politics. They might go and do their democratic duty come voting day, but politics barely crosses their mind on a day-to-day basis. They only buy the newspaper for the crossword, cartoons, gossip or astrology columns.
    I would also suggest with the Mail, although a certain section of population look their nose down at it / bang on about the support for Brown shirts etc, I think for many its a middle ground between the red top rags and broadsheets in terms of "readability". There isn't really any competitors now in that space.
    Yup. It always was, and I think remains, the metaphorical “house wives’ favourite”. You can see that when you skim through it.
    There is a real “curtain twitching” element to the mail with a tick box of items or wording they use.

    There is always some irrelevant statement about the value of someone’s house - today it transpires that the ref in the VAR screw up was outside his £800,000 house - what that has to do with anything is a mystery but will also be used for “murderer lived in a million pound house”. Maybe it’s to make their readers feel that they are better than murderers and referees because their houses are more valuable.

    Then there is the weird thing where they have several pictures of a female celebrity half clothed always with the wording “x puts on a VERY busty display”. I guess this is so their readers can tut at this whilst the male is secretly thinking it’s great and the female turns to the “Femail” section for a guide to get toned for the summer whatever your age.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    New Zealand win. By 9 wickets.
    Dreadful start by the holders in their defence of the cricket 50 overs World Cup.

    It’ll be fine. We started slow last time.
    And the tournament was handed to England thanks to a colossal umpiring fuck-up in the final. Should never have been England's.
    No one can know that. It wasn’t the last ball.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Chris said:

    Who could have predicted this?


    BREAKING

    After just 24 hours, the government has dropped its commitment to reopen the Leamside Line. It was included yesterday in the initial Network North announcements, now it’s gone.

    Roads minister Richard Holden tells me Govt is now just ‘committed to looking into it’.

    Furious reaction already. @henrimurison says this announcement makes the entirety of Network North a ‘fairytale’.


    https://twitter.com/danhollandnews/status/1709908649177461048

    I don't believe they're really committed to looking into it. I suspect that's just an aspiration.
    Nah, the political equivalent of telling a small child their goldfish has gone to heaven when really it's in the food waste bin.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    biggles said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems we have all been taking the equivalent of horse-paste of decongestants....

    Why useless decongestants are still for sale
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlFF7A8nk0w

    I just looked on Boots website and it is basically the active ingredient in most of the cold / flu products.

    Conclusion: Buy Sudafed ?
    Nope, not necessarily,

    e.g https://www.boots.com/sudafed-sinus-max-strength-16-capsules-10095625
    Active Ingredient - Phenylephrine Hydrochloride

    https://www.boots.com/sudafed-decongestant-tablets-12-10033028
    Active Ingredient - Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride
    Lol buy the RIGHT sudafed then...
    I am going to stick to Ivermectin for everything ;-)
    I know where you can get hydroxychloroquine...
    I'll take three boxes. Do you have the injectable bleach disinfectant available too?
    Given the amount of COVID about at the moment, I think you are very sensible...
    I am trying to take a strategic decision on when to take my bonus “resurgent Covid” week off work.
    There is a fair bit about again. My Trust has reinvoked a mask mandate for staff in clinical areas again last week as indeed have a number of others. Mostly to prevent worsening of staff absences I think, though we do have 79 covid inpatients.

    I have had the latest Pfizer booster, as a couple of colleagues were rather flattened by it in September. Apart from a craving for Microsoft products and a burning love of the illuminati there were no sideffects.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    Does anyone know when Rutherglen is counting? It is the most important by-election in Scotland for a very long time.
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